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Speaker 1: amazing Giants Prizes, I am John Schmilk. The man to

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Speaker 1: my left is Jeff Figal. Phone number for you is

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Speaker 1: to A five one three, Hello Jeff. He hashtag Giants

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Speaker 1: To close out the program, we'll have Matt Miller from

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Speaker 1: Bleacher Report at his final prediction on what the Giants

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Speaker 1: would do with their selections, and we'll also go through

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Speaker 1: with who the Giants might have left on the board

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Speaker 1: for them at number six, because obviously who goes one

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Speaker 1: through five impact the Giants a whole lot. And the

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Speaker 1: lead off the show, we're gonna have Dane Brugler, who

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Speaker 1: obviously covers the draft for the Athletic in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: But Jeff, the anticipation is finally here. All this work,

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Speaker 1: all this preparation, we'll finally get to see players get picked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no more unless somebody drops a mock today. Well, and

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Speaker 1: this guy might be working on a mock right now.

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Speaker 1: I know we always seems to be working on while

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Speaker 1: he had a seven round mock out last week. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like I feel like this is when all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the wheels start turning in a lot

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Speaker 1: of organizations. People start talking about trades. Um, finally they're there. There.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's one more day they can keep their

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that there's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of movement in this draft at the top end. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great question for our guests, and

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Speaker 1: that's Dame Bruler, who covers the draft of the Athletic

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Speaker 1: and Dane, let's start there. First of all, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us in everything and being part of the show

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Speaker 1: during draft season. And we really appreciate all your hard work. Man. Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Well he happy draft he's got drafted. You guys that

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's hard to believe we're here, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like you guys that can't wait to get started.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to one that you want to podcast

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Speaker 1: it and Matt you said you've watched probably upwards of

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Speaker 1: a thousand players for this draft? Is that true? Probably?

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Speaker 1: Wait more than that. I mean, I've ranked over a

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Speaker 1: thousand players in this draft. It's by the time it's

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Speaker 1: because you just you wanted to try to get eyeballs

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Speaker 1: and so you know, you watch someone, you eliminate him,

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Speaker 1: go to the next guy. And so, yeah, it's been

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Speaker 1: it's been a long road, but here we are and

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Speaker 1: a lot of those players, maybe not all thousand, but

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Speaker 1: in your draft? Guy, Dan, why don't you tell the

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Speaker 1: folks where they can get it? And I'm holding it

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Speaker 1: up for him. M yeah, four reports reports. I did

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Speaker 1: rank over players in the guide, but the best way

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Speaker 1: ish on my Twitter. I pinned at the top there

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Speaker 1: at DP brugler Um. It's free with your subscription to

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Speaker 1: The Athletic and so I promise if anybody is interested

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Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft, you will not be disappointed by

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Speaker 1: the level of detail and everything that's included in this guide.

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Speaker 1: And Dane, I've printed it out here, and I've given

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Speaker 1: it out to a bunch of the people in the

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Speaker 1: work you put into it. So I'm gonna go to

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Speaker 1: Jeff's questions. I think it was a good one. What

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Speaker 1: supplemental drop, which hopefully we see him on the field

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Speaker 1: this year. We'recovering from his knee injury. But it's gonna

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Speaker 1: take you know, they have that early pick in the fourth,

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Speaker 1: which I believe is like one oh eight. Um, and

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Speaker 1: so you're they have multiple fourth it's gonna take those

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Speaker 1: multiple fourths maybe a future pick if you want to

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Speaker 1: get up from up until you know, the early third

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Speaker 1: round range, it's gonna take a little bit, and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna have to hurt a little bit to give up

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Speaker 1: some picks to move up you know, twenty or so spots,

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Speaker 1: which is not ideal to of a way, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: picks in the in the first four rounds, But it

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Speaker 1: depends on who they're going after. Are they going after

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Speaker 1: a specific player? Are they going after a specific position? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Is that you know where you try to get your

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Speaker 1: maybe another receiver and that way you try to if

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Speaker 1: you don't get your offensive lineman, uh, try to go

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Speaker 1: with offensive line depths or is there you know one

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Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that they like, uh you know talking

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Speaker 1: about a wheel greer Ryan Finley that maybe if he's

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Speaker 1: falling into the early portion of the third round, maybe

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Speaker 1: go after him. So uh, it's uh, it's probably not

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Speaker 1: to hurt a little bit if you want to go

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Speaker 1: up from up picks and uh, that's gonna probably take

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Speaker 1: some future pick next year, which you hate to give up,

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Speaker 1: but that's what happens when you know, unfortunately you uh,

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Speaker 1: you don't pick for a while and you use one

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Speaker 1: of the supplemental draft picks. Feel free, Daigned to throw

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Speaker 1: out a player if you want, but maybe just a position.

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Speaker 1: What's the sweet spot at thirty seven in terms of

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Speaker 1: where you're gonna find value at that top of the

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Speaker 1: second round, it's safety, um, and I think probably you're

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Speaker 1: looking at corner two because we're not gonna see safeties

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Speaker 1: come off the board in the first round. Maybe one

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Speaker 1: gets in there, but for the most part, you know,

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Speaker 1: talking about Jonathan Abra, McDonald, Savage, you know, Gardner, Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Ratt One, Thornhill, the Seer Adderlie. We're gonna see

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Speaker 1: a lot of safeties in the top fifty to sixty picks,

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Speaker 1: but might only have one if we have any in

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Speaker 1: the first round. So that early the mid second round

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a lot of safeties, and really, Dbs,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have some corners come off the board as well.

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Speaker 1: I think we can throw a receiver in there as well. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a receiver in this draft who is

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Speaker 1: guaranteed to go in the top picks. You know, we

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot receiver in the top twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Uh Now, I think we're gonna see a few come

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Speaker 1: off the board in that late first and then there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be some talented receivers available in that early second round.

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Speaker 1: Mix now and the Kiel Harry from Arizona State could

479
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Speaker 1: be there, um Deebo Samuel from South Carolina, Paris Campbell, Campbell,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. A J. Brown possibly from Old Miss. So

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some pretty talented wide receivers available in

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Speaker 1: that early second round. So receivers and then dbs, both

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Speaker 1: faces and corners. I think that's really going to be

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Speaker 1: the sweet spot in that early portion of round two.

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Speaker 1: Dane final question, and I'm with Jeff. I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants do try to move up into that mid early

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Speaker 1: third round area if they can, but they do right

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Speaker 1: now have two fourth round picks three fifth round picks.

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Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman sent his presser last week that he thinks

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Speaker 1: this is one of the deeper drafts he's ever been around,

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Speaker 1: more top four round picks than any draft he has

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Speaker 1: been a general manager for. If you're picking in that

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Speaker 1: fourth round, there early five. Where's the value there? What's

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Speaker 1: your sweet spot position wise? For where deep down the

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Speaker 1: board you're gonna get contributors right away, even if it's

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Speaker 1: in a you know, situational type of role. I think

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, it's such a deep position this year in

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Speaker 1: after you get out of round one, it's it's so

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Speaker 1: deep that it's gonna stretch a little bit and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be some wide receivers that likely are available in

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Speaker 1: the seventh round and going drafted that are really gonna

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Speaker 1: surprise some people because the sheer volume of wide receivers

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Speaker 1: that we have in this class. Um, I think corners

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Speaker 1: will stretch a little bit. You know, you get a

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Speaker 1: Kendall Sheffield from Ohio State, get him there in that area,

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Speaker 1: and then I think, you know, linebackers after you get

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Speaker 1: packed Devin White, Devon Bush. If you don't get your

508
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Speaker 1: Devon in the first round, you're gonna wait a little

509
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Speaker 1: bit and then you know, day two Mack Wilson, Gelani

510
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Speaker 1: Tavai from Hawaii. But we're not gonna see a lot

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Speaker 1: of linebackers off the board. But then in the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: that's when you feel better about, you know, taking your

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Speaker 1: blake Cashman's or uh, you know, some of these other

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Speaker 1: linebackers that I come off the board. So I think

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Speaker 1: linebacker could be in that mix as well, just because

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna see a ton of those guys in

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Speaker 1: the top one picked the night. The depth of the

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Speaker 1: linebacker class will certainly be when we start on Day three.

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Speaker 1: Some of those linebackers that trickle into Day three will

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Speaker 1: be nice value. The final rapid fire one for you.

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Speaker 1: Does Josh Rosen get traded before the draft, and if so,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the Cardinals get. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you get straighted before the draft. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about it all of a draft weekend. Where

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Speaker 1: is he gonna go? With the return value? UM, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if he's still on the Cardinals after

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Speaker 1: the draft, just because the Cardinals are going to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe just a little hesitant to not get

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Speaker 1: top dollar and so maybe they try and wait for

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Speaker 1: a team that gets desperate after an injury or something

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Speaker 1: like that. UM. I think they get a second round

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Speaker 1: pick and then something else. Um, you know, whether that's

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Speaker 1: another player or h two second round pick, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe another conditional pick or another player. I

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Speaker 1: think the Redskins. It certainly makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Case Keenum and a two thousand, twenty second rounder to Arizona.

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Speaker 1: That gives Arizona their veteran quarterback. In case Keenum, who

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Speaker 1: is well is very familiar, Cliff teams very from their

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Speaker 1: college days. That Houston uh and if Kyler Murray is

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Speaker 1: not ready to you know, if he gets hurt, if

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Speaker 1: he's not ready from day one, you get your veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. Great stuff.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time, my friend. Enjoy the next

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Speaker 1: three days. You've worked your butt off, You've earned to enjoy.

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Speaker 1: After this, you've got to be going somewhere. Well, A

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Speaker 1: first I need to just check you with my wife

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Speaker 1: and kids. Make sure they remember, make sure yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: that's a good idea. That's a great idea. And enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much again for the time and and

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Speaker 1: and being a friend of the program over the last

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Speaker 1: few months. Appreciate anytime. Enjoy the draft guy, Dame Brugler.

552
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Speaker 1: And again you can go to his at dp Brugler

553
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Speaker 1: Twitter handle and you can find his Draft guy there.

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Speaker 1: We got about ten minutes before Matt Miller from Bleacher

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Speaker 1: a boy joins us. So we're gonna try to rapid

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Speaker 1: fire through these calls. Folks will get him in again

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Speaker 1: to three or hashtag Giants chat Scott in New Mexico

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Speaker 1: will lead us off. Hey Don Scott, good, good guys,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing good? Wealth A good conversation. Uh,

564
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Speaker 1: just a curious question. I'll make a brief Uh. If

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Speaker 1: the Giants do go with quarterback? Uh, say they do

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Speaker 1: go with Haskins at six? Uh, and the addrests are

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Speaker 1: off the table. Uh. There's a controversial player out there.

568
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Speaker 1: And I was wondering if the Giants would take a

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Speaker 1: flyer on somebody like Jayleen Ferguson. Well, I think the

570
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: question is when they would not. I would be blown

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Speaker 1: away if he was a pick at seventeen. Uh for me, Scott, again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's controversial. It's not he's you know

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Speaker 1: that many off the fuel problems. This thing was goes

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Speaker 1: back to high school with something with some dude in

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Speaker 1: the McDonald's that wouldn't ruary me with him. I think

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Speaker 1: the question is whether or not he's a good enough player.

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Speaker 1: And and Scott, thanks for the call again. I want

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure I get through as many guys as

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Speaker 1: possible here in the ten minutes. But seventeen, no thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have an edge rusher after round one.

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Speaker 1: I think he's in the conversation. He did set the

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Speaker 1: nc DOT play sack record. I mean, he has skill,

583
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Speaker 1: but his testing was terrible. And for a kid from

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Speaker 1: a small program, you want to see good testing because

585
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: that tells you it's going to carry over to a

586
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: better competition, right Jeff. But yeah, I think thirty seventies

587
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Speaker 1: in the mix and he ain't gonna be on the

588
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Speaker 1: board at the end of the third round. So if

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Speaker 1: you want him, he's gonna have to be a thirty seven.

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Speaker 1: It's just the matter of like I said, you've got

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Speaker 1: to be so confident in your due diligence and you're

592
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: the way you've met these players, um and be and

593
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: be certain that you have him ranked or where he's ranking.

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00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: If he's there, you take him. That's basically what it is. Absolutely,

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00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: and again they aren't gonna force it. But if they

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Speaker 1: if you get past pick thirty seven and they haven't

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Speaker 1: ended a pass rusher, this defense is gonna have probles

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Speaker 1: this year affecting the quarterback. That's not good. That can happen,

599
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: that cannot happen. It won't happen, which is why for me,

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Speaker 1: the strategy it's six is almost he almost just picked

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Speaker 1: the best pass rusher, right, It's gonna be a really

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Speaker 1: good player because there's so many good pass and I

603
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Speaker 1: just think there's a chance, there's a there is a

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Speaker 1: good chance, fellas seriously that Allen maybe there at six.

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Speaker 1: But if he that's the thing. If he's not right

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Speaker 1: and you pick, let's say you pick your best player,

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Speaker 1: let's your best players, right, and let's say that's Devin White.

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Speaker 1: The problem and I've done multiple mock drafts where this

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Speaker 1: is a problem. What happens if all the other pass

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Speaker 1: rushers are wiped out by seventeen? You know, is what

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Speaker 1: if Cleon Farrell and Brian Burns and Gary and Sweater

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Speaker 1: all gone, which is a legitimate possibility, it's a real possibility,

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Speaker 1: And then you are in trouble. And that's the case, honestly,

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Speaker 1: and you're getting close and you think you know the

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Speaker 1: Redskins before you're gonna go pass Rusher, I would consider

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Speaker 1: moving up to get one of those guys. Remember that's

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Speaker 1: how important I think it is. This is where you remember.

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Speaker 1: This all goes back on do you draft for need

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Speaker 1: or do you draft for best player? So on your board,

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Speaker 1: is Devin White your best player? If he's available, you

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Speaker 1: gotta take him. Well, how much does need influence you?

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Speaker 1: If if if he's the best player by a tenth

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Speaker 1: of a point, does that trump need? I gotta believe

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Speaker 1: that you have to stick to your philosophy. And if

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Speaker 1: if it's I only feel like your need is is

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Speaker 1: comes from if you want to go get a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But is it need or is it positional value? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think it's or is position of value baked into

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Speaker 1: your grade already? It's baked into your grade already. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that that's that's a good question. And I think that

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Speaker 1: that's how your evaluation has to go. And and you

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Speaker 1: know what, I would love to be in the draft

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Speaker 1: draft room just to just be fascinated. How can one

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Speaker 1: you when you walk in there and see that board

635
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Speaker 1: and see all those names. This is the way they ranked.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how cool is that? Um, it's not gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: but I will tell you that that there's a process

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Speaker 1: that it goes through, and it's uh pretty lock and

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Speaker 1: key to A. J. Marshall. Any chance Quentin Williams gets

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Speaker 1: to the Giants at six, No, I do not believe

641
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: there is. I do not believe he will get past

642
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders at number four. I think that's the

643
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: spot where there's the point of no return. He does

644
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: not get by um Mike Mayo there. I will say

645
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: you that I've heard the Raiders are really like at Oliver. Yes,

646
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: but I think if Williams is there at four, I

647
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: think that means the Jets took at Oliver got you

648
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: you know what? I mean? Four or five? One, three?

649
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: But you know what, maybe not. I think it's crazy

650
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: if they get all of over Quinn Williams. I think

651
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: it's crazy time because Williams is just as good as

652
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: an athlete any much better production. But that's just me.

653
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: I agree with you there. I would take Quinn and

654
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Williams way before at all over Jay and Pennsylvania is

655
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: up next. How are you guys doing today? Great coverage

656
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: of the pre draft and all that stuff. You guys

657
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: do a good job. My my question is, I think

658
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: the draft, you know, one through five, I think there's

659
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: some really good players that teams might not want to

660
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: pass up on. And and I think with the departure

661
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: of like O'Dell and Collins Giants, fair base is a

662
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: little upset. And I know I'm a not a big

663
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: fan of half teams at six, but if he's there

664
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: at six, he'll be there at seven. What do you

665
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: think the possibility is they make a splash, they they

666
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: pick it Oliver and he's still there at seven, Haskins

667
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: and they want to go from seventeen to seven with

668
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: Jackson if that's possible, or even Detroit. What would it

669
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: take for them to do it this year? What they

670
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: feel they might have to do next year, because next

671
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: year you have to give up something to go after

672
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: another quarterback. So to go from about that, Thank you,

673
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: j I appreciate it to to go to thanks for

674
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: the call to to go from seventeen to seven. You're

675
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: wiping out your second round pick, and you're either and

676
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: you might wipe out your first round pick next year.

677
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta be honest. You might know. I

678
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: think you have to. There's no question I think or

679
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: there and there may be usually there's also there could

680
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: be a player involved in it. I don't know what

681
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: player on the Giants that somebody who may want. Yeah,

682
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: player could be involved, that's true. But like if you're

683
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: moving from seventeen to seven, all those picks in the

684
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth round don't mean they don't jack whatever,

685
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They really they don't mean anything.

686
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: I believe that there there would be a future pick

687
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: in there, and maybe your future one next year, and

688
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: maybe something else too, But you got to really be

689
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: be wanting a player that you're gonna go up and

690
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: get ten picks in the first round is a long

691
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: way to go. The only way, by the way, and

692
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: we haven't really mentioned a quarterback at six yet. If

693
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: all the pass rushers are wiped out, that's what I

694
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: would consider it. Like if if there's no Oliver, there's

695
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: no Alan, there's no Williams, there's no Bosa and Oliver.

696
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: I think there is a question with scheme fit um,

697
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: then I would consider going the Haskins rap. But If

698
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is there, he's your pick. He's your pick.

699
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: You think so, huh, I think Josh Allen's de pick. Well,

700
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: I know he's there. If he's there, there's no question.

701
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: I still think that you're gonna have to get somebody

702
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: at six to be a pass rusher. You cannot go

703
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: through this season again without having a guy like that, John,

704
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: and that's you have to walk out of day one

705
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: and you have to have a pass rusher. If you've

706
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: got to be happy with who you get to, you

707
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: have to be someone you're confident, the plug in there,

708
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: in place the snaps, he's gonna be good. And I

709
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: feel like you want to get a guy that's gonna

710
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: fit your system. Now I know that Ed Oliver, we've

711
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: talked about three four or four or three. You just

712
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: put him wherever. But you know what, you kind of

713
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: hope that you're going to get a guy that's discomfortable

714
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the scheme he's

715
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: already come out of and you don't want to play

716
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: nose tackle the way he did in college. That's not

717
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: no and I I would, But I'll tell you what

718
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: if if Josh Allen is there, Oh, my goodness. He

719
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: is really good and he fits the system perfectly. He's

720
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: a sting. He could even drop into his own cover

721
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: by the way, he can do everything you want to

722
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: play him in there with Lorenzo Carter. I mean, you're

723
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: talking about two very athletic guys forgetting they can cover

724
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: and can run. I mean that's I like it. Josh

725
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Allen is a complete football player. Marco in Connecticut is

726
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: up next, Marco, Marco, what's going on? Pal? Good to

727
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: hear from you guys. You guys have absolutely crushed it again.

728
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: This has been an awesome listening to every show. Thank you. Yeah,

729
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: my pleasure. Um So I got one quick point and

730
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: then two little questions I want to get you guys

731
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: take on. My point is, um, I didn't even think

732
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: Josh Allen would like I'm trying not to think about

733
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: get excited, get too excited, Marco. I'm not. I'm not

734
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: get too excited. But here's here's the deal and and

735
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden, it's like Ed Oliver used

736
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: to be a guy that I was like, Wow, man,

737
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to I love for us to draft him.

738
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: And now I'm thinking if he could sneak into that

739
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: top five. And if Tampa's picking, I as a giant,

740
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: Stan personally would be so excited to have either Devin

741
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: or Josh Allen because I think they absolutely sign off

742
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: on everything we're looking for. Hey, look, Marko, I think

743
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: put it this way, you're gonna have your choice of

744
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: one of White, Oliver or Allen. One of those three

745
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: guys is going to be there, and that's a good thing.

746
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. And who do you pick? In

747
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: my opinion, you pick Allen out of those three? I

748
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: mean too, I agree with you take the pass hushion

749
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: because John, you convinced me the other day when you

750
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: were on with Paul. It was like, if you take

751
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I forgot who the player was you take at six,

752
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: then literally, who's the pass rusher that's left at seventeen?

753
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: And when I see that, I was like, oh god,

754
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: we gotta get It was Devin White, probably is who

755
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: you said, I think, so, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right.

756
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: It was Devin White, who, by the way, I think

757
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: it's a really good player. Again, but pers not exactly

758
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Um Okay to two quick questions.

759
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: One question, what would you guys place the percentage that

760
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: when the Giants play the Redskins this year, the quarterbacks

761
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: for the Redskins will either be Josh Rosen or Dwayne Haskins.

762
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: I would put Daniel Jones in that equation too. I

763
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: think I think there's I think I've heard from a

764
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: few different people that I trust that do this draft

765
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: stuff that they're into Daniel Jones as well as Dayne Haskins.

766
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: They like both guys amazing well, and what would you

767
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: you put the odds pretty high? Um, I would put this.

768
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: I think the odds are very high that one of

769
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: those three guys will be starting at quarterback for the

770
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: Redskins on September twelve. You know what, maybe they want

771
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: the guys to sit for a little bit, so maybe

772
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: not September twenty nine, but certainly on December. Well. Amazing,

773
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: amazing that like last year, there's so many connections with

774
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: Donald and he ends up with the Jets, and now

775
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: those three players that you just said in the division

776
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: that one of them will be will be looking at

777
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: them for the next X amount of years. But we'll

778
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: say I got I got a question about Daniel Jones,

779
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: real quick, real quick. What did you did you happen

780
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: to see what Jill Brandt said about Daniel Jones recently.

781
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: I did not what he said. I had heard. He

782
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: was very high on him. High on him is not

783
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: even the worst. He's compared him. He compared him to

784
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, and he said, he said, it's not I'm

785
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: not just talking about his arm strength or what kind

786
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: of player was he's getting. He believe, he believes Daal

787
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Jones is a total package. And when listen, I I'm

788
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: with you guys on probably average, and you know, I'm

789
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: not too sure about him. But when someone like Gil

790
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: Brand speaks, I'm like, that's definitely got my attention. I

791
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Marco, thank you, and no one is. I

792
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: have more respect for Gilbrand than anyone. That guy. He's

793
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: he's the best. But I think people are taking that

794
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: cut cliff thing a little bit too far. And you

795
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: still comparing to Peyton Manning. Yeah, that's a tough comparison.

796
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to be careful when you go there.

797
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I actually think their arm strength is

798
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: actually comparable. Neither one has an elite arm I just

799
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: think it's easy to. I think it's easy to when

800
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: you hear about the you know, the Manning brothers, and

801
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: then you've got you know, two weeks zones and they

802
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: go to this passing camp together, and and it's just

803
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: that that I think that's it's listen. I think that

804
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones can be a good quarterback. I saw

805
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: him play against Miami this year. Um, I saw him

806
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: make all the throws you need to. He's gonna be

807
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: the guy that's he's gonna be your high percentage passer.

808
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's not gonna be real, real successful down

809
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: the field, but he's gonna make everything you want to

810
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: do in intermediate passes. He's a smart dude guy, and

811
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna just be the will he be an All

812
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: Pro maybe once maybe, I mean, you know, a pro bowler,

813
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: but you know he's not gonna be Peyton Manning. I'm sorry, Will,

814
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: and Houston will be our final call before we get

815
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: to Matt Miller from Bleacher Report, Will, what's up? I

816
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: appreciate thinking that call many things right now, but I'm

817
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: just gonna focus on one little thing. Um. I I

818
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: would not rules not drafting Murray. And there's a couple

819
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: of reasons that I want to go now Again, I

820
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't draft him. I'm not going to rule

821
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: out that they won't draft him. I think it's probably

822
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: more likely that they will than they want Um. But

823
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things and then they can rule

824
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: real quick. I'm a former high school and college quarterback

825
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: as well too. I'm in Texas, so I'm very familiar

826
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: with coach King's berry Um. One of the things that

827
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: you need as a quarterback in his scheme as a

828
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: air raid system is you have to be very intelligent

829
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: and have very good armed talent. You don't need someone

830
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: you know exactly like Murray that's mobile and can run

831
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: around your correct will this there's this idea there that

832
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: you have to be mobile to play in that system.

833
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: It's hogwash. Here's here's here's a quick stat and I'll

834
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: leave you guys and say, I want you to guess

835
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: who you think the quarterback is. The heavy stat complete

836
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: and percentage hundred yards nine point three yards per tent,

837
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: which is outrageous boarding a touchdowns, five interceptions, a hundred

838
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: and seventy four pass rating. Who that is case? I'm

839
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: not surprised. Well, good call. I really appreciate it. Very

840
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: very various, dude call and I'm with you. If I'm

841
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, by the way, I wouldn't draft Murray. I

842
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: like Josh Rosen. I'm not sure Murray's about a quarterback

843
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: than Rosen. And something, something inside tells me that the

844
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: card this is just a big smoke screen. I think

845
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: they're taking Murray, but I just you never know, and

846
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, I it's it's kind of funny because I mean,

847
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: what do they They're not keeping Rosen. They can't keep him.

848
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, if if a quarterback doesn't get

849
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: hurt this offseason, they're going to get pennies on the

850
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: dollar because what happens, Jeff, these other teams are going

851
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: to fill their spots with other young quarterbacks. So then

852
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: who's gonna want to trade for him? So the longer

853
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: they wait, the fewer open spots there are. If no

854
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: one gets hurt, which is possible you don't have a

855
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, season in the quarterback injury every off season,

856
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, they're gonna be stuck with

857
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: nobody offering anything that's a really great value. And if

858
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: you're Josh Rosen and from it, if you come into

859
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: Cardinals draft Murray, where do you say you're you're going

860
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: to the organization going excuse me, I was a tent

861
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: pick in the draft last year and you're gonna sit me.

862
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work for me. Well, we're gonna talk

863
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: about that and more with our next guest. We're joined

864
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: by Matt Miller. He covers the NFL draft for Bleacher Report. Matt,

865
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: you've got John Schmelk and Jeff Feagles here in East Frotherford,

866
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: New Jersey inside the Giants practice facility, and welcome to

867
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: New York by the way. Yeah, yeah, thanks guys, appreciate

868
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: you having me. All Right, we are one day away.

869
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Your months and months of toiling are about to come

870
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: to fruition. And it seems like, quite frankly, you still

871
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: don't have much of a clue, Matt, of what a

872
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: lot of these teams are doing. So let's start there.

873
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: The Giants pick at six. How good of a field

874
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: you have right now? For what the top five picks

875
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: of this draft are going to look like? And what

876
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: are your thoughts at this moment? They guys, I feel

877
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: somewhat confident, but as always, a trade could change everything.

878
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: So do you look at the border right now with

879
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: who's picking too? Good about the Cardinals taking Kyler Murray,

880
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: feel good about supporting Niners taking Nick Botha, But the

881
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: cross town New York Jets can kind of throw things

882
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: upside down if they trade out of that spot. And

883
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: I think also because there has been so many players

884
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: connected to the Jets because they want to trade out,

885
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: it's hard to right now figure out which direction they

886
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: would go. I feel very good that it would be defense.

887
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: Would probably be a defensive lineman like Quinto Williams at

888
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: Oliver and Ed Drusher like Rush Allen, but it's hard

889
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: to exactly put a pin on them. And I think

890
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the domino effect of what the Jets do could really

891
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: affect who's on the board to the New York Giants.

892
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: If the Jets state patent take d Oliver, the Giants

893
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: might fall right into Josh Allen. If the Jets state

894
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: patent take Quinna Williams, you might be able to get

895
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: at Oliver. So it's really an interesting draft where everything

896
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of pivots at pick number three, And I want

897
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: to just follow up on that real quick because I

898
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: think Tampa at five is also interesting. Matt. If they

899
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: have a choice between a Devin White and Ed Oliver

900
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen. Where do you think they have those

901
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: two players ranked in their hierarchy, because you know, some

902
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: people maybe don't think Allen is a traditional four three end.

903
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: They want to replace Kuan Alas and there At Oliver.

904
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: You know to him, McCoy play the same position. How

905
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: do you think the Bucks have those three players ranked

906
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: on their board? Yeah, and it's a great question, John.

907
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: I would expect that Devin White is the top players

908
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: that they believe they're going to get. You know, after

909
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: Nick bosa Um losing Kwan Alexander free agency. Not only

910
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: do you get another guy from l s U, but

911
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: I think you get an upgrade. Devin White is faster,

912
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: he's a better tackler, He's more instinctive. So with this

913
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: scheme that they want to run and you guys, um,

914
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: you know, I've probably seen a lot of it because

915
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: the Jets were running that Todd Bowls three four, they're

916
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: gonna transition to more of that. They need a middle

917
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: linebacker who can run, can cover, can blitz. You really

918
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: need like a five tool linebacker there. So I would

919
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: think Devin White high on the board. They drafted the

920
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: Toba at twelve over the last year Bruce Arians and

921
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles gotta find a way to get him onto

922
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: the field, most likely as a nose tackle. I think

923
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver is not a great scheme fit for them

924
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: because of this transition. You can look at that and say, well,

925
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: in sub packages, he's still gonna get on the field

926
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: sevent of time and you need pass rushers there. And

927
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: I do agree with that. You mentioned Gerald McCoy. He's

928
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: most likely going to be out of town very soon,

929
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: so Coin and Williams is available. I think kind of

930
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: something you gotta look at and say, like, Okay, there

931
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: is the possibility that they could go defensive tackle because

932
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna need guys who can play on the edge

933
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: of the five technique and Gerald McCoy does not fit

934
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: that mold. So if they're gonna stick with a tried

935
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: and true three for defense, they're gonna have to make

936
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: some changes. Yeah, and Todd Bowls is variable, but you're

937
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: right if they go more three four than maybe those

938
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: guys do make sense. One quick fall up on Devin

939
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: White before I throw over to Jeff Matt. Devin White

940
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: watching his tape this year, we know athletically he has

941
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: the skill and ability to cover in his arsenal, but

942
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I just didn't see him do it a ton at LSU.

943
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: How confident are you that those physical traits will translate

944
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: to an ability to consistently cover, because you know as

945
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: well as I do, they have the way the NFL

946
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: is now, if you can't cover and you're an off

947
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: the ball linebacker, you shouldn't be a top ten pick. Yeah,

948
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: I think you have to project it forward a little bit. Now.

949
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: You can say the something about Roland Smith last year. Sure,

950
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: where you have guys that really really weren't asked to

951
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: cover because that's the way that the college game has played,

952
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: especially in their conference. So I think with Devin White,

953
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: you might have to watch two years of film to

954
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: see him cover forty times, but you can do it.

955
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: You can find it out there. I think go back

956
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: to the Georgia game last year, especially over times he

957
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: was asked to cover. I think not a blanked him

958
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: really well at the tight end position. So and I

959
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: do think, I mean, you look at it, do who

960
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean? He was a better running back the linebacker

961
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: in high school. He's six foot thirty seven pounds. He

962
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: ran a four or four two four one seven short

963
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: shuttle those athletic trades point to you might have to

964
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: teach him a little bit how to read and react

965
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: the coverage, but there's nothing athletically that would tell me

966
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: he can't do it. So you know, we're one day away.

967
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, thank you for all

968
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: the work you've done over the all all you all

969
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: your draft analysis. It's amazing the booker you guys put

970
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: in for guys like John and I to be able

971
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: to piggyback off of your information. And that's at least

972
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: I do a lot of it. But you know, this

973
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: is all coming down less than twenty four hours away,

974
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: or more than twenty four hours. You hear a lot

975
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: about the quarterback. You hear a lot about Josh Rosen.

976
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this. So there's one one thing

977
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: that's question is if if the Washington Redskins I'm hearing

978
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: this is just what I've just heard today. It's kind

979
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: of become a rumor now that they really want to

980
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: go after Dwayne Haskins. You know, there's are you hearing

981
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: this about this Washington Resikins team? Is this a team

982
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: that could jump up high enough to go get him?

983
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: And if it distance does happen. In my mind, this

984
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: is where the Giants are now. If they sit at six,

985
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna get their defensive player that they want. It

986
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: could be a Josh Allen, or it could be one

987
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: of those other top guys and At Oliver or someone

988
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I think the Redskins are the team

989
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: to watch right now because they're out on Josh Rosen.

990
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: I know Diana Rassini reported that, and she's fantastic with

991
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: her Redskins intel, so I would believe it. Um, I

992
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: think that they aren't team to watch. I don't know

993
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: if they want to go all the way Antwo three

994
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: where the New York Jets are. I think that's you know,

995
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: that's the question. Um. The word came out earlier this

996
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: week that the Raiders might like Dwayne Haskins, which really

997
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: felt like that information was coming out of Flora Park.

998
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: So I think trying to do a good job. Hey,

999
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: the Giants like Haskins, the Raiders casting somebody better come

1000
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: up here to get him at three. So I think

1001
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: that's the interesting point is do the Redskins believe the

1002
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: smoke screens that have been put out there or do

1003
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: they trust they're intel that says, you know a lot

1004
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: of people are believing that Dayn Haskins is going to

1005
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: be the third or maybe fourth quarterback off the board.

1006
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: So I think you can maybe kind of wait and

1007
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: see how the board plays out. I don't think Oakland's

1008
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna draft him before. I don't think the Giants are

1009
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: going to draft him at six. So you might be

1010
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: able to You got to gamble here a little bit,

1011
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: but you might be able to sit back and wait. Now,

1012
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: if you're a Redskins fan, you're probably screaming at your

1013
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: radio saying, if he's on top quarterback, we have to

1014
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: go get him, right. You can't. You can't trust that

1015
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: he's going to be there. But I don't know that

1016
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: they have to move up to three in order to

1017
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: get Dayne happy. Well, this one quick question. So you

1018
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: know we talked about this and John and I havevan

1019
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: going over the draft for a long time, and we

1020
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: hear about you don't want to draft for need. But

1021
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, in your opinion, if a

1022
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: team is is like the Giants are are wanting a quarterback, eventually,

1023
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna need a replacement for Eli Manning,

1024
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: do you jump up and get a guy that you

1025
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: need if in a quarterback position. I'm just talking about

1026
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: the quarterback now. Um, is that something the Giants will

1027
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: go after if these they are just because of the need,

1028
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: do you think? I think it's so tough to say,

1029
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: because the teams that really need a quarterbacks a lot

1030
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: of them build their need. So I don't know that

1031
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: you would have to jump up, like say they get

1032
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: Josh Allen at six and you're sitting there watching the

1033
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: board knowing that you have picked seven, team, I wouldn't

1034
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: be inclined to jump up. And I think so much

1035
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: does depend on if the Cardinals take Tyler Murray. You

1036
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: know immediately the Josh Rosen is on the board. You

1037
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: can trade for Josh Rosen. So if these quarterbacks that

1038
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: Drew Lock goes off the boarder Daniel Jones goes off

1039
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: the board, you have a pretty good contingency plan. You

1040
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: called the Arizona Cardinals and say what's it gonna take?

1041
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: Is it gonna take thirty seven? Is it gonna take

1042
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: you know that that late pick we have and three?

1043
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: What's it gonna take to get this player? Um? Is

1044
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: it a package of picks? But I think Dave Gentleman

1045
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: really has good flexibility that you don't You don't have

1046
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: to panic and overdraft one of these quarterbacks this year

1047
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: or more gives the future to go get them if

1048
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: the board plays out that way. Take Josh out at six,

1049
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: take on Taylor at seventeen or Andre Dillard at seventeen,

1050
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: and then look at Okay, we're not drafting a quarterback

1051
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: to play into that nineteen anyway. So you could trade

1052
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: for Josh Rose and you could draft Will Greer. So

1053
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of pressure from the fans,

1054
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: especially to get that franchise quarterback, to get the quarterback

1055
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: and waiting, but I don't know that there's that, you know,

1056
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: insane sense of urgency to get it done in the

1057
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: first round, and Giant fans we will. By the way,

1058
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: ask Matt who he thinks that gihnts will pick a

1059
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: six and seventeen, But that will happen to the end

1060
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: of the interview. To make sure you stay tuned um.

1061
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: In terms of Rosen, I'm having trouble figuring out exactly

1062
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are trying to do here. They've clearly

1063
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: now leaked that, oh, we're willing to hold onto him

1064
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: and have both him and Murray on the team together

1065
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: that's been out there. I'll believe it when I see it.

1066
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: I understand not wanting to trade a guy you moved

1067
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: up to get four last year for a premium pick.

1068
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: I really think they've almost backed themselves into a corner here,

1069
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: Matt where they're either gonna have to settle or they're

1070
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: gonna have to hold them and then wait for maybe

1071
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback to get hurt like we happened Sam Bradford

1072
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and a team panics and

1073
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: they want them. I just don't quite see exactly what

1074
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: the Cardinals endgame is right now with Josh Rosen. You

1075
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: guys ever bought a car and you go in and

1076
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: then the sales like hagling with you and well, I

1077
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: gotta talking about business manager and get the final price

1078
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: and they come back and they're like, you know what,

1079
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: we were in this car and you're like, no way,

1080
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. You know you're doing that hoping

1081
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: that they're a little lower the price a little bit.

1082
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: That's what the Cardinals are doing right now. But the opposite,

1083
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: they're saying, you know what, we might keep him. So

1084
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: if you're the Chargers or the Giants or the Dolphins,

1085
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: and you actually want Josh Rosen, you're gonna have to

1086
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: offer a little bit more money. Well, we're just gonna

1087
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: keep it in here on our team. I think it's

1088
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: all just a boy, you know, and it's try and true.

1089
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: We're seeing so many NFL teams do this over the year,

1090
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: so you know what, Actually, we'll just keep him. If

1091
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: you guys wanted a bad enough, you give us more.

1092
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: I think that's where they're at, trying to get the

1093
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: most that they can. And this is something that you know,

1094
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: I reported like probably a month ago, was that they

1095
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: are actually trying to say face. They want to be

1096
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: able to walk out there in that post draft press

1097
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: conference and say, yeah, we grafted a quarterback at one

1098
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: after we traded up to draft one at ten last year.

1099
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: But it's okay because look what else we got. You know,

1100
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: we got a second round pick, or we got a

1101
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: third in a fifth, so they can they can still

1102
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: spend this message of trying to build a team. I

1103
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: gotta believe that whoever gets Josh Rosen, because I got

1104
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: a hard time believing that Josh Rosen and Kyler Murray

1105
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: are going to be on the roster. At the same time,

1106
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna be so much pressure. I mean, the fans

1107
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: in Arizona aren't the fans like in New York. Could

1108
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: you imagine if this was happening in New York, if

1109
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: this would be ridiculous. But I really believe that whoever

1110
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: does get Josh Rosen, in my opinion, is gonna get

1111
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback. Okay. And also they're gonna they're

1112
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: gonna assume a great and a contract. They don't have

1113
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: to play out the signing bonus that the Cardinals did.

1114
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: So this is a really enticing deal for somebody that's

1115
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: in the market for a quarterback like Josh Rosan. So

1116
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: regardless who gets him, I think they're going to be

1117
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: in a pretty good position. And then the follow up

1118
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: what Jeff just said, I can't imagine they'll do better

1119
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: than the Giants at thirty seven. Do you think a

1120
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: team would eventually offer a late one you or do

1121
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: you think it too is the best that they're gonna

1122
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: do you know, I've actually heard guys that the teams

1123
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: are offering three right to seven would be yeah, I

1124
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals to jump over there, he said, And

1125
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: where there's hurt the Giants is they don't have that

1126
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: pick because of the Sam Bill selection. So if you

1127
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: get into a bidding one of the charges, the Charges

1128
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: pick at ninety one, the Giants pick at right now,

1129
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: so you might have to throw after you know, you

1130
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: got to throw in a fifth or a fourth next

1131
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: year if it comes down. Yeah, Giants have plenty of

1132
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: draft picks to be able to throw in that kicker, um,

1133
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: no pun intenda not a real kicker, but a kicker. Um.

1134
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: The other thing too, is that when you think about

1135
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: the Giants from the Giants perspective, if the Giants were

1136
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: able to go out and get there, in my opinion,

1137
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: there to study defensive players, which I think they can

1138
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: get and get a job USh Rosen for that that

1139
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: pick that we just talked about, Wow, that you're coming

1140
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: out with those for those that's a pretty good three

1141
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: person picks right there. Get picking up Josh Rosen and

1142
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: picking up two first rounders for defense. That would certainly,

1143
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: in my opinion, would address the need of this team. Um,

1144
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: and I think that Josh Rosen. Then you got to

1145
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: talk about what happens with the ELI man and that

1146
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: whole thing. But the bottom line is that, like I

1147
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: said before, you buy into a good contract and you've

1148
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: got a good future for for Josh Rosen. Absolutely, Um, yeah,

1149
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I think it will work out real well. I think

1150
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: people will be very pleased with that. All Right, Matt,

1151
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: How about the pass rushers? Because I sit there and

1152
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: there's a chance that Oliver, Allen, Williams and Boss are

1153
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: all gone and the Giants get there at six and

1154
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe they think Devin White's the best player or a

1155
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: non pass rusher. Right, do you think any of that

1156
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: top tier group and I'm talking about sweat Burns or

1157
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: Ferrell will still be on the board when the Giants

1158
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: get the sevent team because I think the Giants have

1159
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: to get out of that first round with one of

1160
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: those Tier one or Tier two pass rushers. Will one

1161
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: be left at seventeen? You know? I think yes, And

1162
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: it might be Cleveland Pearl. He might be the last one,

1163
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, you know he's not a great bit and

1164
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: at three four defense, Um you know, he's more of

1165
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: a true four three defensive end. So it might take

1166
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: it might take four quarterbacks going in the top fIF

1167
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: team and for that to happen. But when you look

1168
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: at this class like it's it's been watered down because

1169
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: Montest Sweat now has the heart issue that the people

1170
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 1: are worried about. He was just miss from Michigan State

1171
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: as a freshman because of disciplinary issues. So I think

1172
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: Montes Sweat could be there, but it's gonna be a

1173
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: team by team basis on if you believe he's okay

1174
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: to play. You know, it's kind of like Maurice's last year,

1175
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: top twenty player fell in the draft because of a

1176
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: heart issue. Ultimately, the Raiders picked him up and they

1177
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: really liked what they got out of him. But it's

1178
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty big risk, especially in the first round.

1179
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: So it's possible that Brian Burns is there. It's possible

1180
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: that the Giants are one of actually okay with Montest Sweat.

1181
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: But this is really now about a five pass rusher class.

1182
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: And like you said, John nick Bose is gonna go early,

1183
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's gonna go early. Rashan Gary is a player

1184
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: that you would probably keep an eye on to see

1185
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: where he starts to pull down the board. Brian Burns

1186
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: is gonna go most likely in the top fourteen or

1187
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: fifteen picks, so you don't get your pass rusher at

1188
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: six basically you might have to move up from seventeen

1189
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: to secure guy. Wow, that's interesting and yeah, I guess

1190
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: it all depends on really the quarterbacks. At the top

1191
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: of this draft. There's a couple of maybe a tight

1192
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: end and some offensive lineman, so that some of those

1193
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: guys we just talked about eventually moved back to the

1194
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: number seventeen pick. Let me ask you this, give me

1195
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: a guy that you think and outside the guys that

1196
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: we just talked about, let's just say, from outside the

1197
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: top fifteen, give me a player that you liked that

1198
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people have seen lately. I mean, we

1199
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: know at Oliver's kind of jolted up the up the

1200
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: list here recently. Is there a guy out there that

1201
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: you like that a lot of people aren't talking about

1202
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: that could get into the mid first round. My guys,

1203
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: rock your sin from Temple Corner uh, a rare corner

1204
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: who was a two time state wrestling champ in high school.

1205
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: So you know, he's tough, he's physically smart, and he

1206
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: was a one year starter at Temple. Was a juco

1207
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: guy that came in the coaches there. I can't think

1208
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: of a handful of players in my career the coaches

1209
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: have been higher on and talked better about the Rocky shin.

1210
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: So he brings everything to the table. I wouldn't be

1211
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: surprised if he's the first corner off the board when

1212
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: the draft starts. All right, let's go to the Giants

1213
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: at six Matt. We we've we've kind of circled around

1214
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: it a little bit. I think we all agree that

1215
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: if Josh Allen is there, they will take that car.

1216
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman will pull both hamstrings trying to get that

1217
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: pick in. Uh. If he's not there, what do you

1218
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: think the direction might be? If you're looking at you know,

1219
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: the three top guys Williams, Bosa and Allen all off

1220
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: the board and there hasn't been a trade. There hasn't

1221
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: been a There hasn't been a trade. Yeah, well, no trade.

1222
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: That's that's really the worst possible that you lait out here.

1223
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: I think that you would look at it then and say,

1224
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Rashaun Gary? You know, where

1225
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: are you at on him? Are you okay with the

1226
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: show the injury? Because I think he fits what they've

1227
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: got him on once in a pass rusher, someone who

1228
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: can play all over the defense. So we're Shaun Gary

1229
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: would probably be an option there. I wouldn't be surprised

1230
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: in that scenario if you you might want to reach

1231
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: if you looked at an offensive tackle like Jonah Williams,

1232
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: you know someone who could play You could play center,

1233
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: you can play right tackle. We started Alabama as a

1234
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: true freshman at right tackle. But you know, if if Bosa,

1235
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Williams and and Alan are off the board, that's really

1236
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario. And and probably because Devin White

1237
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: has gonna come up the board five. So um, it's

1238
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: a that's a tough that's a that's a really tough

1239
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: scenario for the Giant. Well, and you know what, and

1240
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: you're you're in that war room mad. That's what these

1241
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: guys have to prepare for. You have to figure out

1242
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: who your number six players. But you might not get

1243
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: one of your top four, you might not get one

1244
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: of your top five, but you're guaranteed to get number

1245
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: six and it's just a matter of who that number

1246
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: six is going to be. And it all depends and

1247
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: really it goes down to really your well, your due

1248
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: diligence on all these players and how you rank them.

1249
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: That is so important and not drafted because you gotta

1250
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: be legitimately consider you have to be confident every one

1251
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: of those guys on your board you have vetted them,

1252
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: and and you have your number one guy, number two,

1253
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: all the way down to seventeen whatever. You gotta make

1254
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: sure that those are your guys. So, Matt, you don't

1255
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: think Oliver could fit in as a five technique in

1256
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: base and then go into three in nickel spots. I

1257
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: actually don't. And I really like that Oliver give this

1258
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: defense like you might. You might look at him more

1259
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: is like trying to play him outside, you know, And

1260
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: I know that there were reports of that, a team

1261
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: looking at him as maybe an outside guy, and he

1262
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: bulked up to the combine. I don't think he actually

1263
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: weighs in the two hundred eighty pound range. I think

1264
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: he's he's probably playing around two seventy five. So you know,

1265
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: there is some precedent for guys like that being able

1266
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: to come off the edge. Um and and Oliver, excuse me,

1267
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: just a special player. So Betch might look at Oliver

1268
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: and say, all right, man, like, let's just get him

1269
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: on the field. I'll figure it out. You know whatever,

1270
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Speaker 1: three four three, You know that doesn't really matter, you

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Speaker 1: just find a way to get that dude out on

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Speaker 1: the field, all right, seventeen Matt, Obviously people have talked

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Speaker 1: about the quarterback in this spot. What do you think

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00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: about the value there for either Jones or Locked? Mike

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Speaker 1: asks that if it's one of the two, would probably

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Speaker 1: be Jones and not Lock. Uh. Do you think maybe

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: all four guys quarterbacks are gone at that point? What

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Speaker 1: do you think that John's will be looking at a

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00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: seventeen in terms of availability and who the best value

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Speaker 1: is gonna be. Yeah. I have a seven round mock

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00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: draft coming out Thursday, guys, and I actually have them

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00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: getting Drew Locked here and a little bit of a

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00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: surprise I was. I was surprised the board felled that way.

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Speaker 1: But I have him coming up here as the fourth quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If all four going to top two teen, which some

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00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: people expect. I think this is where you look at

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Speaker 1: If you get a d lineman at six, you get

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: your offensive lineman here. Garrett Bradberry could be available. Juwan

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00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: Taylor from Florida might be available. Chris Lyndstrom from Boston College,

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Speaker 1: Andre Dillard from Washington State. The teams are where we

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Speaker 1: expect to run on offensive linemen to happen. So if

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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams comes off the board in the top eleven big,

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Speaker 1: he's probably gone by here. But you can still have

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Speaker 1: the bulk of the offensive lineman available. And we've seen

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00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: my gentleman prioritizes. She signed a soldier, you drafted Heernandez.

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Speaker 1: They haven't been shy about trying to fix the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: You trade per Kestis like a fantastic player. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's still in need at right tackle. They

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Speaker 1: still need it where it would make some sense to

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Speaker 1: go get one of those. So I'm just saying you

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Speaker 1: look at the way they're building that offensive lineman. They're

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Speaker 1: they're going from left to right and there's only one

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: position left and that's the right tackle that they need

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Speaker 1: to address. And usually we've seen in the drafted when

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Speaker 1: there's one lineman drafted, they usually go in sequential order.

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Speaker 1: They're boom boom boom that you know, So that's a

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Speaker 1: good idea. Let me ask you this, So if the

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Speaker 1: Giants were to go at seventeen, you said you have

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Speaker 1: Drew Lock. Does that mean that Daniel Jones is off

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Speaker 1: the board somewhere before that or do you have him

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Speaker 1: going after Drew Lock, Yeah, Daniel Jones coming off the

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Speaker 1: board before that, Odner Slopes quarterbacks now, because it feels

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Speaker 1: like I've heard Cincinnati like every quarterback in this draft.

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Speaker 1: So it's somewhat more than most draft years. Guys, this

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Speaker 1: year has been a lot of guests working. Yeah, yeah, certainly,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's still gonna be a lot of

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: guests we're going into tomorrow's draft. Still. It's mad. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to your podcast the other day and

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00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: you've made the point that there's, especially around the Giants,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of guests work. It seems like nobody

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00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: has any I you know what Dave Gentleman is thinking,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly what he wants. Yeah. I mean the

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Speaker 1: last regime, I I were were calling out their picks

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Speaker 1: before they made them. So it's a I guess it's

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Speaker 1: nice for you guys, for the fans that it's not

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Speaker 1: quite as he used to be, But for guys like me,

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01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: it's not quite as fun. I'll tell you that, all right,

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Speaker 1: I got I got two more quickies, Matt one at

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Speaker 1: thirty seven. I'm not gonna ask you to predict a

1330
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Speaker 1: player because obviously we don't know who's gonna be there,

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01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: but to me, that's a sweet spot for corners. I

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01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: sat down last night and I actually tried to I

1333
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: looked at probably about fifteen corners and I tried to

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Speaker 1: rank them. It's a damn mess. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: to soar through these guys, depending on what you want,

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Speaker 1: on what you need. Uh, you're just thought of thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: what's the sweet spot and what corners would you like

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Speaker 1: forbet your scheme at that spot? Yeah, it is a

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: good spot for corners because it wasn't expecting men going

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Speaker 1: around one. So I think Byron Murphy is a little

1341
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: bit of a smaller guy. He's kind of like Genor Jenkins.

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Speaker 1: You have, I see good technique. Do you think he

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01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: could be a fit DeAndre Baker from Georgia. Jandre Baker

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: is the best tackling corner in this class. So if

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Speaker 1: you want a physical cornerback, he would. Since there, you

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Speaker 1: know it to your point, John, I'll be interested to

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Speaker 1: see how gentleman does value the corner position. You know,

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Speaker 1: that is kind of his reputation that he in Carolina

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01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: didn't value the corner spot. So is that somewhere where

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Speaker 1: they would go earlier. Are they confident waiting until late

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Speaker 1: round three, you know, early round four to try to

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Speaker 1: get a corner. That's how he built that secondary in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: So I could also see them going interior offensive wine

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Speaker 1: here if they don't at seventeen, you know, if they

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Speaker 1: if they go pass rusher at six, quarterback at seventeen,

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Speaker 1: this could be a spot where a guy like Eldon

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01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: in concerned Cippi State, who can play guard or center,

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01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: would be a really good value for them. And then

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Speaker 1: that final question that they're loaded up with fourth and

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Speaker 1: fifth round picks. I would expect they're going to try

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Speaker 1: again in to the middle of that third round some way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form in a trade. But are you looking

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Speaker 1: at wide receivers fourth and fifth round? Maybe a backup

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01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: running back. Our corner is going to be left. Where

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Speaker 1: do you think you're gonna find value in those fourth

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Speaker 1: and fifth round where the Giants have five selections in

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Speaker 1: this draft? Yeah, you know what, I really actually like

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Speaker 1: the linebacker position a lot is well in the fourth

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Speaker 1: and fifth round. So that's an area where you and

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Speaker 1: find athletes too, maybe selling the draft because of the injury.

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01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they sell them that's because of a suspension in college.

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01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: But good players can be found there. There will be

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01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: running backs depth, there's good wide receiver depths too, because

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Speaker 1: I honestly believe the receivers in this draft has been

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01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: in some way a media creation. There gonna be guys

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01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: to fall. We might only see one receiver goes Thursday night,

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: so that that group that's gonna fold around too. Then

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01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a groups of falls around three. So

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01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: rounds four and five you can you can find steels.

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01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: Look what the Pittsburgh Steelers have done finding steels outside

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01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: of the first two rounds of receivers. So I think

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Speaker 1: that receiver, corner, linebacker, those spots on day three where

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Speaker 1: you you feel like you can definitely get some values.

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01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: That great stuff. We off your hard work all year long.

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01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: Try to enjoy the draft if you can. And I

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01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: know you guys are doing some live stuff too, So

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01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: why don't you tell the people where they can find

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01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: your work. Yeah, we're doing a lot of live stream

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Speaker 1: again this year. We've done it every years, just two

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Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen actually, So follow it on Bleach Report, YouTube, Twitter,

1391
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: and in our app. It's commercial free, free to watch.

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Speaker 1: We'll be breaking down every pick. No press conference, there's

1393
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: no shots of the commission are out of that. Just

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Speaker 1: football talking to Matt. Thank you for being a friend

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Speaker 1: of the program. Enjoyed Thursday night. Thanks you guys, have

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Speaker 1: a good one. That's Matt Miller. He's at his hotel

1397
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: in New York getting ready for his live work for

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01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: Bleacher Report and good stuff today for him and Dame

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Speaker 1: Burgler and Jeff. We're not gonna talk to you before

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Speaker 1: the Giants make their next draft pick, So give me

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Speaker 1: your final prediction real quick. Well, I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: go defense with the six pick um. I think it's

1403
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna be all dependent on how kind of how we've

1404
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Speaker 1: talked about the draft. Will they pick a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the first round? They will, They will pick a quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the first time, and I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: I think it's all Listen, I think I think they will.

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Speaker 1: But I actually, if if I'm gonna tell you this,

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01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: it might it's gonna be drooped. You think, Drew Lock,

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Speaker 1: I think, if you have to make me guess, I

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01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: don't think they will pick one on Thursday night. If

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Speaker 1: they do, I think if it's a choice between Lock

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01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 1: and Jones, they pick Jones, but we'll find out. It'll

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Speaker 1: be fun, and of course make sure you check out

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: our live coverage of Draft on MSG on Thursday night.

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01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: Then we'll be live. You're on giants dot com on

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Speaker 1: this set on Friday night and Saturday afternoon for Jeff Eagles,

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Speaker 1: I am Johns. Thank you so much for joining us

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01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kick Off live tomorrow at noon. On

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Speaker 1: Draft Day, we do our mock draft with Paulatino Lands

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01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: Medal and I am Noon. Then of course the draft

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Speaker 1: gets on their way Thursday night. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow. Everybody, have a good one.