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Speaker 1: This is twenty five Whistles with Bobby Bones, presented by

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Speaker 1: it is holiday season and we are around, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to take this time to actually highlight some of

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Speaker 1: the really cool stuff we've been able to do this year.

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Speaker 1: So it's talking to awesome people that I never thought

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Speaker 1: I would get to interview because well, we weren't doing

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Speaker 1: a sports show. But here we go. Let's do this week.

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Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd, Jay Glazer and Marcelli's Wiley. All three had

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Speaker 1: a very different journey in their career, with Marcelli's playing

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Speaker 1: league for decades on different spectrums, but again, all three

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Speaker 1: have had a very unique journey to success. So this

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Speaker 1: up is Colin Cowherd. I wanted to find out how

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Speaker 1: Colin went from a small town in Washington to really

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest faces and voices on sports radio

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Speaker 1: and television. So Colin and I discussed there were some

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Speaker 1: of the first people that doubted him, how divorce left

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Speaker 1: him poor, and who instilled dreams into him, and a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch more. I hope you enjoyed this interview because

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Speaker 1: thank you, Hey, Colin. First off, just been a massive

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Speaker 1: fan for I'm just gonna start with this and we'll

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Speaker 1: move to the real stuff. But for like fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: it's a real thrill for me. So thank you. Oh

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Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, your careers exploded. It's just amazing. They're

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Speaker 1: really behind you at the company. I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm curious at how other people do their

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Speaker 1: creative endeavors and before, because I do want to go

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Speaker 1: And how many people do you sit with before show

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Speaker 1: and go over ideas or segments? Get up at about

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Speaker 1: I would say there are nine people in the room. Um,

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Speaker 1: they've got about ten stories laid out for me. I

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Speaker 1: are starting point on a story. But I I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad there are people out there that trust me like GMS. Um,

429
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Speaker 1: you know players and they know I'm not going to

430
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Speaker 1: burn them. Um. But that's the that's the part of

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Speaker 1: my job. Like you, you and I will have this closet,

432
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Speaker 1: this little black book of stories that that will never

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Speaker 1: get out. But that is one of the great things

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Speaker 1: about our job, that information and that proximity to people

435
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Speaker 1: that they trust us. And I really appreciate that. Who

436
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Speaker 1: was the first person that actually expressed to you and

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Speaker 1: you believe them that you could be great? Um? So

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Speaker 1: I was. I had worked in Vegas for seven years

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Speaker 1: and then I got a job in Tampa doing weekends

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Speaker 1: and to supplement my income. A local, Rob wine Gardener

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Speaker 1: I think is his name, Rob wine Garden. He was

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Speaker 1: a program director at a sports talk radio station in

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Speaker 1: Tampa and he had seen me on TV and he said,

444
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Speaker 1: I got this old guy. Hubert Mizelli is a sportswriter,

445
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Speaker 1: the late Hubert Minzella. Good friend. He goes, I want

446
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Speaker 1: to couple you with him in the mornings. I said,

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Speaker 1: I'd be awesome. So we did it and I have

448
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Speaker 1: been doing it for about six months and one day

449
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Speaker 1: Rob came in and Rob said, hey, you have a

450
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Speaker 1: phone call. Um, I want you to call this guy

451
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Speaker 1: back after the show. He's a sports talk radio consultant.

452
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Speaker 1: His name is Rick Scott, Seattle Base. So I did

453
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Speaker 1: the show with Hubert. Hubert was very funny, we got long,

454
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Speaker 1: great and the show was overnight. I called this guy

455
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Speaker 1: back and Rick Scott was in town. I think he

456
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Speaker 1: he was, you know at that time, Bobby and still is.

457
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Speaker 1: There was like two or three sports radio stations in town.

458
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Speaker 1: And he had seen me the night before on TV

459
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Speaker 1: and he said, you don't know who I am. He says,

460
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Speaker 1: quit television, You're going to be the rush Limbob sports

461
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Speaker 1: talk radio host. And I went, what do you mean

462
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Speaker 1: and he said, I've heard everybody in the country. He

463
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Speaker 1: goes quick television. He goes, I'm gonna call you in

464
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Speaker 1: about three months, four months, keep working at it, and

465
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. A while later, a few

466
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Speaker 1: months later. So that was the first person that ever

467
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Speaker 1: said anything. And I was just like, you know, because

468
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Speaker 1: I didn't listen. I didn't listen to everybody else. I

469
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Speaker 1: didn't know what everybody else sounded like, except the people

470
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Speaker 1: in Tampa. They were fine. And then a few months later, um,

471
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Speaker 1: I was sending out TV tapes and another guy called me.

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arena ran a station in Portland, and he said,

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Speaker 1: I got a call from Rick Scott and I was

474
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Speaker 1: told hire you. He goes, I've never heard of you,

475
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Speaker 1: and I've never heard your tape, but I trust Rick,

476
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Speaker 1: so you want to be my sports afternoon host. So

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Speaker 1: that was my big break. But that was the first time,

478
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Speaker 1: um I thought, you know, a Hugh Bobby. I thought

479
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Speaker 1: it was a hard worker and I was talented, and

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Speaker 1: I cared about it and I was invested in it.

481
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Speaker 1: But nobody had ever said, hey, you could do this,

482
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Speaker 1: and it really inspired me. It was really inspiring to me.

483
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Speaker 1: It was just like Wow, I almost felt like this

484
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Speaker 1: guy knows this industry way better than I do. I

485
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Speaker 1: don't want to disappoint him, so it made me work harder.

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Speaker 1: You know, before sports Talk Ready when I first started

487
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Speaker 1: was I was a TV guy and I just liked

488
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Speaker 1: talking and Hubert myl Myzel was very funny and he

489
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Speaker 1: had this sort of southern charm and I just liked him.

490
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: Were like the same stuff. We laughed a lot um,

491
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Speaker 1: but it didn't pay at all back then, and and

492
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Speaker 1: and and it just wasn't as formidable like with my

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Speaker 1: heart as it is now. It just it just wasn't.

494
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Speaker 1: I think Rome was Jim Rome was just starting and

495
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Speaker 1: it just wasn't that. It wasn't the industry that it

496
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Speaker 1: is now. So that was it. That was the first

497
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Speaker 1: time somebody said, but you could potentially be something pretty cool. Well,

498
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Speaker 1: this is one of those moments for me that I've

499
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier where it's just freaking cool to be able

500
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Speaker 1: to hang out. So thanks for being so generous with

501
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Speaker 1: your time. Been a massive fan forever and I'll just

502
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Speaker 1: continue to be a massive fan. And that's that's it.

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Speaker 1: So thanks Colin, and hopefully one day I'll see in

504
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Speaker 1: real life. Bobby. Um, you are beloved at the company.

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Speaker 1: Your career is on fire for reason. Musically gifted, verbally gifted,

506
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Speaker 1: you have earned all of it. And um you're one

507
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Speaker 1: of the easiest guys in our business a route for

508
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Speaker 1: so I'm really happy for you. Thanks Colin, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you have a great day. Thanks for the time, buddy.

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Speaker 1: bowler Marcellus Wiley Love Him Loves Podcast. Marcella's played the

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Speaker 1: NFL for a decade. We talked about preparation for these

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Speaker 1: athletes and what it takes to be on top of

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Speaker 1: elite athlete as a kid. It's a lot of great

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Speaker 1: insight from a former player and what these athletes have

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Speaker 1: to deal with, what they go through. Just one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites here is Marcello's wiley Marcellas, how are you? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I'm great man, Yeah, same to you. Really just super pumpty.

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Speaker 1: You'd spend a few minutes with us here. I want

538
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Speaker 1: to talk about being ready for a second, And so

539
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Speaker 1: I do one of like the radio show that I

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Speaker 1: do every day is and in a couple of hundred cities,

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Speaker 1: and it's a thing. But each night I set aside time,

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Speaker 1: and each morning I said aside time, a couple of

543
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Speaker 1: hours here, a couple of hours there, or if I'm

544
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Speaker 1: doing stand up on the weekends, I'm spending time riding.

545
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Speaker 1: Whatever I'm doing. I dedicated an amount of time that

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Speaker 1: I think is sufficient to doing a good job, putting

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Speaker 1: a good work out so I can make my money. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what we're all doing. Now. Some nights, let's

549
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Speaker 1: say my wife and I decided to go to dinner

550
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Speaker 1: and I don't get to do as much preper reading

551
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Speaker 1: the news as much or and then I go in,

552
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm just gonna have to skate through

553
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Speaker 1: this one because I did. Now does that happen week

554
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Speaker 1: to week with you guys? Are you're supposed to watch

555
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of film and maybe you do thirteen weeks,

556
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Speaker 1: but there's a couple of like I didn't get I

557
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: didn't get too as much of it as I should.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna hope this works out. Yeah. Absolutely,

559
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Speaker 1: there are times. I mean, if there's a uniform standard

560
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Speaker 1: of uh traditional prep time of fifteen hours, are there

561
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: weeks when there's twelve hours? Absolutely? Are there weeks when

562
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Speaker 1: it's seventeen? Absolutely? And you ride the wave. And one

563
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: thing you have to always be is the ultimate justifier

564
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Speaker 1: and you also got to be your biggest cheerleaders. So

565
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Speaker 1: if you're ill prepared for the game, you gotta start

566
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Speaker 1: lying to yourself. No, today we plan on instinct. Today

567
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: we're playing off, just playing on what we see. You know,

568
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Speaker 1: you gotta start justifying and lying to yourself because you

569
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Speaker 1: know you're not ready for that moment. And it's the

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Speaker 1: same thing in our in our world, in any endeavor,

571
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Speaker 1: if you walk in the door and you don't feel it,

572
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: you gotta find it from somewhere else. And usually it's

573
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Speaker 1: between those ears. When you're growing up and you are

574
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Speaker 1: the athlete that you are and also the person who

575
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Speaker 1: is dedicated to being a better athlete, at what point

576
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Speaker 1: did your ability catch up with you having to actually

577
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Speaker 1: put in a bunch of time preparing as a really

578
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: smart kid. Once I got to by my second year

579
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: of college, I was like, oh, I now I gotta study.

580
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Speaker 1: I can't just go off straight what I can pick up?

581
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Speaker 1: When did that happen to you? Where I was? I've

582
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Speaker 1: been a great athlete in my whole life, but now

583
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: I gotta do extra to make sure I can stay elite. Yeah,

584
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Speaker 1: I think that funnel starts from the day you really

585
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Speaker 1: play sports like I started when I was eight years old. Um,

586
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: and eight years old, all you have to do to

587
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Speaker 1: play football and be good is be fast, you know,

588
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: Like every fast eight year old is an m v P.

589
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: Like there's no slow eight year olds that are like

590
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Speaker 1: out there balling like you're gonna you're gonna get caught

591
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: like you do. Just it's it's it's too simple a game.

592
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: But as the game gets more complex, then you have

593
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: to grow with it in the complexities. Right, So for me,

594
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Speaker 1: I would say late high school, even though I still

595
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Speaker 1: was beasting, Um, I started to realize, like you just

596
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: can't wake up, put on the house shoes and then

597
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Speaker 1: ball out of control, like there will be resistance and

598
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to start out maneuvering people out thinking

599
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: people just can't always out run everyone. Geometry comes into play.

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Speaker 1: These cats are starting to take better angles, coach. These

601
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Speaker 1: guys are starting to run to the ball collectively, like

602
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Speaker 1: you can start to see where the chess matches being

603
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Speaker 1: introduced to the game. So it happened step by step.

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Speaker 1: But I would say late high school certainly college, even

605
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Speaker 1: though I went to an IVY school. It wasn't just

606
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Speaker 1: grab everyone like I was storing and just throw them

607
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Speaker 1: across the field like I had to do things with

608
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Speaker 1: my mind and body and combination. And then you know

609
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Speaker 1: the Pros. Every single player in the Pros, they're a

610
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Speaker 1: black belt. It's just what degree of black belt are day.

611
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Speaker 1: Even the sorriest dude who never gets playing time, who's

612
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: on the practice squad is a black belt just one degree.

613
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: When you look at quarterbacks and where they're taking in

614
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: the draft, and the top two or three will go

615
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Speaker 1: to the worst teams, usually worst I'll even say programs institutions.

616
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Speaker 1: When you were playing, what quarterback did you see that

617
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Speaker 1: probably was wasted because he went to a bad organization

618
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: and you're and you're lined up, and you're like, oh damn,

619
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Speaker 1: this guy's actually could be really good, but everything around

620
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Speaker 1: him is not and he was not able to flourish

621
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Speaker 1: because of that. Wow, you know, Um, Carson Palmer keeps

622
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: coming to mind, but he did flourish. But I was like, yo,

623
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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer is a monster and not getting his proper

624
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Speaker 1: do and then he got hurt in the one playoff

625
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: year and game that I thought they really could do something.

626
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: So someone who didn't get their full bouquet of flowers

627
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Speaker 1: was Carson Palmer. I was like, that dude's a monster.

628
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Speaker 1: But he's in Cincinnati and they're trying to figure it out,

629
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Speaker 1: and didn't they get the receivers and Chad and t J.

630
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Speaker 1: And like they did something, but they didn't really do

631
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Speaker 1: what they could have done in a different situation. Carson

632
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: Palmer comes to mind. Um, outside of him. Man, I'm

633
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: drawing a blank man. A lot of cats. They you

634
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: can play. You can play at quarterback through the expectations

635
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Speaker 1: stelling like of a team. If the team is tapered here,

636
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: like you're right here, but you're that quarterback. You can

637
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: drag that team to higher levels, but there is going

638
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Speaker 1: to be a point of exhaustion and a point where

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645
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649
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650
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651
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652
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666
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707
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709
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711
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Speaker 1: a great guy. I think you'll like this if you

712
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Speaker 1: haven't heard it, Here is Jay Glazer. Jay, thanks for

713
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Speaker 1: coming on, Bud absolutely Man I'm excited to come on

714
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: here with you. Hey doing I'm doing good. Let me

715
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Speaker 1: fanboy for a second and say that I'm just a

716
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: massive fan and I always I mean, I look forward

717
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: to a lot of the things that you do, especially

718
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Speaker 1: the hits before the games, because I'm like, all right,

719
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: let me find out was what was either breaking or

720
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Speaker 1: what do I need to know about who's hurt? So

721
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Speaker 1: before we talk about some of the stuff that you're

722
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Speaker 1: working on, just let me say that I'm a massive

723
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Speaker 1: fan for a long time of what you do. Thank you, brother,

724
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Man, It's it's pretty cool for me. This

725
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: is my twentieth year at the NFL and Fox. So

726
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: like every weekend I get to have a family reunion

727
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Speaker 1: with the rest of my family and we're all crazy,

728
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Speaker 1: you know. It's me and Bradshaw and how we long,

729
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Speaker 1: and and my baby sister, Michael Strahan and Karamenofie and

730
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson. But every week I get to have a

731
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Speaker 1: family reunion. Like how freaking cool is that. It's awesome

732
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Speaker 1: to have a job that you love and you know,

733
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: I like yourself. I'm a big advocate of pursuing mental health,

734
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: and I think you know me growing up in a

735
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Speaker 1: small town in a very rural part of a state

736
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Speaker 1: of Arkansas, that we didn't know anyth about mental health

737
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: growing up. And then to watch you, you know, really

738
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Speaker 1: champion this cause and share your struggles with it like that,

739
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: that's inspiring for a guy like me. So I want

740
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: to first talk about the podcast, uh that it's called

741
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Speaker 1: Unbreakable and you even say it's a mental health podcast.

742
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: It's right there in the title, So you're letting everybody

743
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Speaker 1: know what's going on there. What exactly are you talking about?

744
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Speaker 1: And how are you discussing mental health on the podcast?

745
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: You know? And that's the thing that the whole thing

746
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Speaker 1: spawned from my book. You know, I'm Breakable how I

747
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Speaker 1: turned my depression anxiety in a motivation and you can too,

748
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: because I I made a decision a long time ago,

749
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Speaker 1: like I wasn't gonna let this thing beat me. And

750
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Speaker 1: I live in something that I call the gray that's

751
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Speaker 1: depression anxiety, that's throwing some a d D a little

752
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Speaker 1: bipolar if you can. I mean, I got it all

753
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Speaker 1: and it's my earliest childhood memory. Like I didn't sign

754
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Speaker 1: up for this, I didn't ask for this, but it

755
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: man it's every single day in my life. It is

756
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: hard for me to get out of bed in the morning.

757
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: I gotta make that decision. But you know, when you

758
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Speaker 1: live in the gray, um man, it's like you wake

759
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: up every morning thinking the world hates you, You're not

760
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Speaker 1: worthy of being loved. The sky is falling and it's

761
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Speaker 1: not real. And I know people at home probably going, oh,

762
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: what's this guy complained about? His life is great? Man,

763
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Speaker 1: My life is great, Like I'm not here with you,

764
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Speaker 1: are you kidding me? But between my ears sucks. So

765
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: for all these years, I like created this character on

766
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Speaker 1: TV at the Glaze, you know, and you know, fighting

767
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Speaker 1: and football and ballers and doing all this, and I

768
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Speaker 1: was just I hit it. I just suffered in silence

769
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Speaker 1: all these years. And I wish I spoke up earlier

770
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Speaker 1: because of all the people I've could have helped. But

771
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Speaker 1: also I would have had a better team to walk

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Speaker 1: this walk with together, and I would have been able

773
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Speaker 1: to handle it a lot better than the ways I

774
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Speaker 1: handle it, which the ways I handle in the past.

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Speaker 1: We're not healthy for me or other people. You know.

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Speaker 1: We spent so much time talking about our physical fitness

777
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Speaker 1: and again I've been uh, someone who was uneducated on

778
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Speaker 1: it for a long time until I started experiencing things myself.

779
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Speaker 1: But we do all this happen. You know, to work

780
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Speaker 1: out how to eat, and that is a big part

781
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Speaker 1: of health, but it ain't all a health. And I've

782
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Speaker 1: learned this as well. And if you're not mentally healthy

783
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Speaker 1: and you're not working in your mental health, it's almost

784
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Speaker 1: hard to get healthy physically because if you're not all

785
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Speaker 1: in up top, it's hard to be all in at all. Yeah,

786
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Speaker 1: when the roommates in my head are not playing along

787
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Speaker 1: nicely together, man, everything hurts. And so when I have

788
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Speaker 1: these periods of the gray that I call them, Um,

789
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Speaker 1: it's I get a visceral physical reaction with my depression.

790
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Speaker 1: Anxiety hit bad. I feel it actually in my joints

791
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Speaker 1: on the left side of my gut and behind my

792
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Speaker 1: rib cage and that that pains very real for me,

793
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Speaker 1: and it's something that I handle every single day. And um,

794
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Speaker 1: you're right, you know. Mental health is so reactive these days, right,

795
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: physical health, Like, man, you're gonna go to the gym

796
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Speaker 1: because you want to get yourself bigger. It's every day, right,

797
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Speaker 1: or stronger cardio whatever that that is, right, Like I

798
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: just talked to football teams and say, you guys, don't

799
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Speaker 1: only catch passes when you have the drops, you throw

800
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: them and catch the multi up mental health, we only

801
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Speaker 1: go to see a therapist when the sky has fallen,

802
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and that's sometimes too late. So I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: out ahead of it. You know, we talked mental health.

804
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: The reason why I wrote this book and the reason

805
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: why I'm doing this podcast is I want to give

806
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Speaker 1: it words. I want to give people words to be

807
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: able to start having the conversation too, you know. And

808
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Speaker 1: it's incredible the reaction I've had. I've had grandmother's reach

809
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: out saying thank you. For the first time in eighty years,

810
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: I could have this conversation and tell my husband and

811
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Speaker 1: kids and grandkids what I've been going through. A lot

812
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: of girl dads saying like I don't have it, and

813
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you do. But then

814
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Speaker 1: but my daughter does. But now I'm able to have

815
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Speaker 1: the conversation. And i want to make this distinction very clear.

816
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Speaker 1: I don't talk. I'm not a therapist. I'm not a doctor.

817
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm not a teacher. Um, I'm just a dude who's

818
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Speaker 1: messed up, who's learning how to be good with his

819
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Speaker 1: messed up nous, And you don't have to have my level,

820
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: which is clinical. And that's why, I guess allows me

821
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Speaker 1: to talk about it. I have clinical depression anxiety, and

822
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Speaker 1: and then I hit all these years. But we're all

823
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: going through something these days. Man. Social media makes us

824
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: all think our lives suck. Like we're comparing ourselves to

825
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Speaker 1: everybody else's filtered fraction of a second of a day,

826
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Speaker 1: and we're going, man, how come my food doesn't look

827
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Speaker 1: like that? Why am I not at that party? Like

828
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Speaker 1: we feel left out? Or on Twitter we see so

829
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Speaker 1: much hate and bullying. And when I got bullying on

830
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: the playground growing up, it sucked for a month. But

831
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Speaker 1: now we're seeing in a thousand times a second on Twitter,

832
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Speaker 1: so it's just a scarier world. So you don't have

833
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Speaker 1: that my level. All right, we're all going through some

834
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Speaker 1: sort of gray, And like I said, my job now

835
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Speaker 1: is you know, I felt cursed for all these years,

836
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Speaker 1: but now I feel like God bless me with depression

837
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Speaker 1: anxiety so I could give other people a voice to

838
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Speaker 1: hopefully help them through their pain, because man, we deserve it.

839
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: We don't deserve for this great wind screw that like

840
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Speaker 1: I deserve to live in the blue. We all do.

841
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: I wonder what attorney point was as far as you

842
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: mentioned the glaze and this larger than life character that

843
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: you presented. But that was your job, right, I bet

844
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: I do this too. Like other days, I don't feel good,

845
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: but I gotta come and do a national show. And you,

846
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be who people are are tuning in to

847
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: see you tuning into here. But for you, not only

848
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: were you this larger than life person, but there's m

849
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Speaker 1: m A, there's football. It's a very macho thing that

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Speaker 1: you're a part of. And when was it for you

851
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: that you went? You know what? I just have to

852
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: be uncomfortably vulnerable because if I don't like I'm not

853
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: actually sharing who I really am? What was that turning

854
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: point for you? I started going down worse and worse

855
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: roads here as I've gotten older. You know, people think

856
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: that you hit success. I thought, and here's the thing

857
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: like for me, That's why I say in the book title,

858
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: how I use it to motivate me. I'm not able,

859
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what it's like to feel love

860
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: from the inside out. I've never felt worthy of being love,

861
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: which sucks. Man. It's lonely. I want to be loved.

862
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: So it's as a result worst minted do all these big,

863
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: great things on the outside, like we're in the I'm

864
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: in the TV Hall of Fame. I was the first

865
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: mm A host of a nationals mm A show in

866
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: America doing five years and ballers with the rock who

867
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: wrote the forward for my book is how important this is.

868
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: So it's forced me to go do all these great

869
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: things on the outside. Two Steel loved and I thought, man,

870
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: once I kind of made it, and I'd have some

871
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: money because I would. And listen, I've been on both ends.

872
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: The first eleven years of my career. I was making

873
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: nineties seven hundred bucks a year living in New York City.

874
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: That sucks. I don't understand what it's like to be broken.

875
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: And I worked my butt off to be unbreakable, if

876
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: you will, because I needed to find that outside love

877
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: to help lift me up. And and I just didn't

878
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: work like that, Like the outside stuff didn't really fulfill me.

879
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: So I kind of got sick of it. Man, I

880
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: got sick of waking up every day. And you know,

881
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: one of the things I read about the book is

882
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: that I need a team and I've had fight teams

883
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: in different teams to help me through. And I said,

884
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna start talking about it because

885
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: more I could talk about it, I'll get a bunch

886
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: of more teammates out there that we can walk this

887
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: walk together and and it will help me through. And

888
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: I've needed the help as much as I'm helping others.

889
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: I need to help just as much. I want to

890
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: encourage you guys to check out Unbreakable how I turn

891
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: my depression anxiety and a motivation, and you can to

892
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: buy a Jay Glazer and then the podcast which is

893
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: Unbreakable with Jay Glazer and Minnal Health podcast. They are

894
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: both uh the first episode, Sean McVeigh, I asked him,

895
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: you've got some really like someone like me would consider

896
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: really cool relationships. And is Shan a friend of yours

897
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: who wanted so in the book, um when I described

898
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: the gray. We're in Mexico, myself, him, and Andrew Whitworth

899
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: and we're trying to describe to him what depression anxiety is.

900
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: And Sean, man, his life is like a nightlight, you know.

901
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: He's like, like the worst thing that ever happened to

902
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Sean is he didn't win the Super Bowl in his

903
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: second year ever as the youngest head coach in NFL history. Um,

904
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: and like his parents look like the people who are

905
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: picture frames you buying freaking target. You know, it's like

906
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: his He don't understand childhood druma or anything like that.

907
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: So we start. He starts really deep diving explaining. So

908
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good way for me to

909
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: explain it. Trying to explain to the Super Bowl winning

910
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: head coach of what it's like to have depression, anxiety

911
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: and the gray and Andrew Whitworth, who's his captain, his

912
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: left tackle, who's the Walter Payton Man of the Year

913
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: award winner. He starts talking about it and Sean goes, wait,

914
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: you too. He's like, Sean, what do you think gets me,

915
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: at forty years of age to still pound my head

916
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: into Aaron Donald every day? Yeah, dude, I'm messed up, absolutely,

917
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: we all are. So we were trying to explain to

918
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: this Sean that it's not just your locker room, it's

919
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: everybody around you and where you gotta start, which will

920
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: I said Sean, thinking how great of a coach you

921
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: could be if you could start learning how to be

922
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: vulnerable and you can start leaning into other people and started,

923
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, the attachment that I now have. Uh. And

924
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story after this about me and

925
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: Michael strand Um, who was my best friend you know

926
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: for earty years but to day that I hit it from.

927
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: But I said, man, imagine how much better for coaches

928
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: will make you. Well. Last year they go oh for

929
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: November during the Super Bowl run, and he was struggling,

930
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: and people don't know I would actually go out to

931
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: his house. I was I was to turn about him,

932
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: and I went to his house a couple of times

933
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: during that period just to get him to start being

934
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: vulnerable and opening up to people on his team and

935
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: his staff. And he did, and he really started opening

936
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: up to two things that he was struggling with and

937
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: that helped really helped bomb them together. And then they

938
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: went on a Super Bowl run and it just made

939
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: him a better coach and a better Now he's a

940
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: husband now, better friends, better everything. So it's pretty cool.

941
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: I got to Yeah, these relationships in the most dudely

942
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: of worlds, right Like, I look at it like no

943
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: one's questioned my manhood. I fought for years. I coached

944
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: for years, do football ball there's all so no one's

945
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: question of my manager. So I could cry to you

946
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: on the drop of a dime, I'm good. What's the

947
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: Stray hand story? So man again, this guy is is

948
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: my best friend since he and I lasted on each other.

949
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: And in those broke years, I didn't have enough money

950
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: to go from I had to go to Giant Stadium

951
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: every day to work to be a reporter. I didn't

952
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: have enough money to take a subway to a bus

953
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: to Giants Stadium and back every day. So Stray drove

954
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: me back into New York City every freaking day for

955
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: like nine years. So I own like eight granted Lincoln

956
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: Tubtle fair right, So so for years, um, and I

957
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: had this from my whole team, except how we long? Um,

958
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: how you could tell when I was having I would

959
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: I would have these anxiety attacks before the show and

960
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: some mental breakdown sometimes, And how are you go, hey, hey, hey, hey,

961
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: sky is not falling. The sky is not falling because

962
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: because how he's messed up too yet you gotta be

963
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: messed up to be that violent of a football player.

964
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: But so last year, thirty years, okay, Stray and I

965
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: are supposed to go out to dinner and man, the

966
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: beast just got out of the box and my anxiety.

967
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: I got woken up in the middle of night by

968
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: an anxiety attack. Like how unfair is that? And like

969
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything, There wasn't anything that triggered me.

970
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: It woke me up. And man, I just felt like

971
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: my world was ending and it freaking sucked. And like

972
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: I said, it takes so much out of me physically

973
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 1: when it happens. So for the first time in thirty years,

974
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go out to dinner with straight, and

975
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: I said, man, I can't go to dinner tonight. In

976
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: the past, when this happened, I would use viking in

977
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: an alcohol and just hide it and uh. And that

978
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: would usually be a lot more dangerous because I started

979
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: to get a little fifty, you know, and start snatching people.

980
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not the most pleasant person on

981
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: that Um. So for the first time, at thirty years,

982
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: I said, straight, can't go to dinner tonight, ma'am. The

983
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: beast just got out of the box. And he said,

984
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: you want you, I'm gonna come over. I said, um,

985
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: not this time. I think I just gotta get back

986
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: to bed. And he said, you want to talk about it.

987
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: I said, I do, but not right now. And then

988
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: he said to me, why have you never told me

989
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: about this? I'm your best friend. Said, man, I don't

990
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: make up the rules of this thing, bro, whatever reason,

991
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: I felt ashamed with you. And he's like, yeah, but

992
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: I you took my my ability to be your friend away.

993
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: I wish you had opened up. I got a little

994
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: choked up talking about it because had I been able

995
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: to open up to him for thirty years like I

996
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: am now, I would have had somebody that I could

997
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: have leaned on. I would have had somebody who can

998
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: help me out of that dark hole. Um. So, for

999
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: everybody out there listening, listen, every single person I've opened

1000
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: up to about this, but I'm having bad days and

1001
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: we just told me to suck it up, but he's

1002
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: called me was. In fact, it's gotten us closer together.

1003
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: And I would say the majority of my friends that

1004
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: I've opened up to about it have then in turn

1005
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: open up to me about something that they never know

1006
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: they could they ever could have. Yes, it sounds like

1007
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: your team is very important to Your friends are very

1008
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: important to you. Your support group, which also that's a

1009
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: that's a pillar in the book of like how to

1010
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: get through this? Yeah, it's finding those teams I talk

1011
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: about when I we'll speak or or you know, I

1012
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: do a comedy slash kind of Ted talk where I

1013
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: tore a bit and I talked about how, you know,

1014
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: we're always afraid to ask for help, but if somebody

1015
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: asked us for help, we do it in a second.

1016
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: So if someone's ever like, hey, would you please help me? Absolutely,

1017
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: I do it. But then why wouldn't you ask for

1018
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: help if you need it? I don't want to bother people.

1019
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know my but it's almost you know,

1020
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: lend that perspective to you having to reach out to

1021
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: somebody because you would help somebody, So why would you

1022
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: not ask somebody to lend you a hand? See, you

1023
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: know what I do now, So now I have better

1024
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: tools to deal with it. So again again I had

1025
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: another night, and I don't know why this has been

1026
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: happening lately, But again, like I said, like depression anxiety,

1027
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: they pull a chair up whenever they damn well, please,

1028
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: there's no there's no schedule. And for me also, I

1029
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: have a panic attack every single time I've ever been

1030
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: on TV. From two thousand and five to now as

1031
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm on that first segment only on our show, not

1032
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: on somebody else's show, it's the weirdest thing, which was

1033
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: really really strange, because man, I'm great in chaos, I

1034
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: suck in calm. So I don't know why that happens.

1035
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: It becomes a bitual. But so as I'm talking to

1036
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: you on Sundays, every time that's first segment, I'm having

1037
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: an anxiety attack and I'm I call it wrestling with

1038
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: my abuser. And so what I do now when I

1039
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: get woken up in the middle of the night by it,

1040
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: or I have a really bad day, I will call

1041
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: four friends and tell them, Man, I am freaking struggling today.

1042
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: I just gotta tell somebody because this power numbers right,

1043
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: So I started telling them, and then the other of

1044
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: thing I do, like another one of my pillars is

1045
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: being of service and being of service to me charity

1046
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: or you know, helping in so many different ways. Um,

1047
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: but I'll call four other friends and not telling them struggling,

1048
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: just to check up on them. And that combination of

1049
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: me calling people and having a team to help lift

1050
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: me up and then meet checking up on others to

1051
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: be of service to them, that really helps that Gray

1052
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: take a hike Jalen Hurts And it seems like it

1053
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: was just yesterday that the big the big debate was,

1054
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: is Philly want to commit to Jalen Hurts as their quarterback?

1055
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: Pull him, let him play trade? So what have we

1056
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: learned though with how awesome he is now versus when

1057
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: they were questioning if he could even beat the quarterback?

1058
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: You know, I look for guys who worked their butts off,

1059
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: and you know, buddy of mine used to coach for

1060
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: me and Unbreakable, my gym in l A coaches him

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Speaker 1: just NonStop, NonStop works. So you know, his thing was accuracy.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to become more accurate as time goes on.

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Speaker 1: But you know, were they were they looking to replace

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Speaker 1: him at a time, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um, they're trying

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Speaker 1: to upgrade if they thought but as he continued to

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Speaker 1: work at this work of this work of this, I

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Speaker 1: thought they're gonna be a turnaround team this year, not

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Speaker 1: as much for the talent they brought in, but for

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Speaker 1: the fact that last year with the head coach, nick'sy reality,

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Speaker 1: they're all kind of like, uh, does this guy really

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Speaker 1: know what he's doing. Should he have got the job?

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Speaker 1: Where are we going here? And now they're all bought it.

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Speaker 1: Now they're like, okay, he's a king man in chart

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Speaker 1: we follow, We're good. So they had just a different

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Speaker 1: confidence about them. Unbreakable with Jay Glazer. It's a podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can go and actually check that out today and

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Speaker 1: you can order the book I'm Breakable How I try

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Speaker 1: my depression anxiety into motivation and you can too. Hey,

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Speaker 1: just appreciate how candid you are about struggle in general.

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Speaker 1: It's not easy. Vulnerability is a really hard thing to learn,

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Speaker 1: very empowering thing which you can understand and see the

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Speaker 1: effects that has on other people in the strength that

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Speaker 1: you get from them. So I think you have inspired

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Speaker 1: so many and so many more with the podcast, And

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time and thank you for your afterpay.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate it. Also, like one people understanding I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the heavy stuff, but I'm also we're gonna laugh,

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Speaker 1: Like laughter helps me through it too. So if you

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Speaker 1: read the book, you listen to podcast, let do some

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Speaker 1: happy stuff. But you're definitely got some laughter in there too,

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Speaker 1: because I think the gray hates laughter at Jay Glazer

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Speaker 1: on the Socials. Well, be looking forward to It's j

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Speaker 1: C on TV again. Dude, Thank you, brother buddy, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to this episode where I get to highlight

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Speaker 1: some of the best things from the year. And we'll

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Speaker 1: do another one as well. But Colin Cowherd or sell Us, Wiley,

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Speaker 1: Jay Glazer awesome. Thank you. I'll try to get some

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Speaker 1: other favorite interviews and put them up again this week

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Speaker 1: or maybe next week. We hope you enjoy your holiday

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Speaker 1: weekend and everybody here at Whistles with you. Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 1: Happy Holidays. Whatever you want to do, go do it.

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Speaker 1: Be good to somebody. Make sure you subscribe and follow

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at twenty five Whistles and follow me at

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Speaker 1: Mr Bobby Bones. All right, thank you everybody,