Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 1: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories, done done.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa Traeger, my name is Kara Klink.
Speaker 1: And you know how we do. Every week we dissect
Speaker 1: an episode of Long Order SVU and then we take
Speaker 1: you through the true crime that the episode was based
Speaker 1: on and then interview some hotty that was on the episode.
Speaker 1: And today is no different. Lisa, we have a thousand
Speaker 1: things to talk about today.
Speaker 4: One thousand and I have a surprising thing to tell you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what is it.
Speaker 2: I saw Fast and Furious nine in the movie theater yesterday.
Speaker 1: Liza. It's so crazy that that happened. I didn't know
Speaker 1: you were part of the Fast and Furious family. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that you were into those I.
Speaker 2: Didn't know either. But I am committed for life. And
Speaker 2: it is silly. I love a movie. It's like Spice World,
Speaker 2: Like I love a movie that's like, we know we're silly,
Speaker 2: and we're okay with it. Yeah, We're going to take
Speaker 2: a Pontiac into outer space.
Speaker 1: And that's that, and that's that. On that listen, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you something. I've never watched a second of a
Speaker 1: Fast and Furious movie. I've never seen one of them. Well,
Speaker 1: I saw the first one. I think Paul Walker's very
Speaker 1: hot rip. But that's it. I don't know anything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it was great. I mean, Ludacris is in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And what's weird is he such a good actor in
Speaker 2: SVU A flop as an actor in.
Speaker 1: This Fianna Luda no.
Speaker 2: Barely acting like I don't know how he does it
Speaker 2: because he's so talented in SVU, I thought, but whatever,
Speaker 2: but Vin Diesel's funny.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was a great time Charlie's throne, her earring game
Speaker 2: was amazing. Enough about Fast and the Furious, of course,
Speaker 2: but I just thought you'd be shocked as I was.
Speaker 4: I am shocked. I am shocked.
Speaker 1: Like when I imagined what you were doing last night, it
Speaker 1: wasn't that. I finally went last night to a restaurant
Speaker 1: in LA that I've been dying to go to for
Speaker 1: six years since I moved here, and it was really good.
Speaker 1: Are you going to give him a shout out or
Speaker 1: what you ordered. It's called Bestia's. It was hard to
Speaker 1: get a reservation, but it was packed to the fucking gills.
Speaker 1: I thought I would see a celeb. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I didn't look around much. But my friend that went
Speaker 1: saw Kanye last time she was there, so I was hopeful.
Speaker 1: But you know, saw a lot of very stylish people
Speaker 1: and had some delicious wine. The somelier talked us into
Speaker 1: a bottle of wine we could not afford, and so
Speaker 1: he's very good.
Speaker 2: Wait, but what did you order? You said there was
Speaker 2: a lot of meat options.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very meaty place. Like Bestia literally means beast,
Speaker 1: so it's a you know, meaty place. But we got
Speaker 1: squid ink pasta, which for me is adventurous because I'm
Speaker 1: usually like get the same like few pastas when I
Speaker 1: go places. And the squading pasta was very good. And
Speaker 1: then we got a Brenzino because I do eat fish.
Speaker 2: I'm a squid ink fanatic. Oh you are, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: It's good. I didn't know what it would taste like,
Speaker 1: and it was really salty. I think it was I
Speaker 1: was telling Jared I watched a girl eat squiddink pasta
Speaker 1: on my semester abroad twenty years ago, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't like the way this looks. Her teeth turned
Speaker 1: black immediately. I was like, I hate this. But this
Speaker 1: didn't happen with the squiding pasta we had last night.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: One time.
Speaker 2: I ran into Janelle James in New York and she
Speaker 2: was like, what's up with your mouth?
Speaker 1: And I had black all over my mouth and.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I was just eating squid ink pasta,
Speaker 2: and she goes, last time we hung out, you were
Speaker 2: eating chicken liver moose.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with you? She like, you're eating too many
Speaker 4: weird foods.
Speaker 2: And I was like, it is fucked that you've seen
Speaker 2: me this in one week, eating all of these weird foods.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, it was a pretty hilarious.
Speaker 2: I have a weird thing that happened as well. So
Speaker 2: you know, I do my workout classes with Stasha pat
Speaker 2: Well my school of thought. So she calls her like
Speaker 2: one of her programs the junior high. Yeah, people called
Speaker 2: her a pedophile. She has to change the name.
Speaker 1: I saw her post. I saw her post because we
Speaker 1: follow each other, and I saw her post this morning, going,
Speaker 1: I'm changing the name of Junior High to something something
Speaker 1: thought thought certification, and she was I can't believe I
Speaker 1: have to say this, And I was like, that's okay,
Speaker 1: I wonder what happened.
Speaker 2: Like I said, you're not a pedophile. People are crazy,
Speaker 2: you know, likely what who cares? And she goes, if
Speaker 2: more than one person thinks you're a pedophile, you have
Speaker 2: to change the name. But basically they implied that because
Speaker 2: the program was called Junior High and her classes are
Speaker 2: school of thought, that she's teaching children to be thoughts thoughts.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But I also thought that I thought of
Speaker 1: it more like junior varsity because it's like, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, isn't it the lower it's not the lower level,
Speaker 1: but it's not as hard as the one on one.
Speaker 2: No, no, it is as hard, but you do it
Speaker 2: with like a group trading right right instead of one
Speaker 2: on one, so it's more affordable.
Speaker 1: So it's like a.
Speaker 4: Junior high mini program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people are like, you're a pedophile.
Speaker 2: So I just thought that our audience would like to
Speaker 2: hear about pedophile news, you know, Okay, I'm being honest, you.
Speaker 1: Know, well, speaking of sexual assault, in the news, Bill
Speaker 1: Cosby was released from jail in a insane turn of events.
Speaker 1: I still don't really understand what happened. Apparently one prosecutor
Speaker 1: told him you will not be prosecuted, and then the
Speaker 1: prosecutor that took that pop prosecutor's job ended up prosecuting him,
Speaker 1: and so they let him go based on the deal
Speaker 1: that the first prosecutor gave him.
Speaker 2: I've refused to read anything about it because I know
Speaker 2: it's just going to make me mad, and so I
Speaker 2: saw it. It's not news to me that people don't
Speaker 2: care about sexual assault, but it is infuriating.
Speaker 1: It's just gross that he has never expressed any remorse
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you thinks seated anything wrong. I
Speaker 2: think he is someone that thinks women are for being
Speaker 2: a wife or for me to drug you and rapio like.
Speaker 2: I don't think he respects women at all. And you know,
Speaker 2: with his traditional points of view, he's just a piece
Speaker 2: of shit. And I am just annoyed. I'm annoyed, and
Speaker 2: I'm mad and angry, and it's everything that's.
Speaker 1: Wrong with the system. And I really just don't want
Speaker 1: to have to argue with comedians about this. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I understand that. And so Cosby got out of jail,
Speaker 1: and someone that is remaining in jail is Alison Mack,
Speaker 1: the actress who was instrumental in the Nexium debacle with
Speaker 1: Keith Ranieri. She got sentenced to three years in federal prison.
Speaker 1: Is in federal prison like kind of more cushy, like
Speaker 1: a little nicer than I think.
Speaker 2: It's more safe. It's like more security or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen. Throw everyone in
Speaker 2: a fucking ditch. No, that was my Soviet vibes coming out.
Speaker 1: She'll be out in three years.
Speaker 4: She will serve a harsher crime than Bill Cosby.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was. It's it's all too much.
Speaker 2: And I know we do a show about all this,
Speaker 2: but it is just too much sometimes. And right now
Speaker 2: for future episodes, I'm researching one crime that's truly breaking
Speaker 2: my spirit.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: The world is fucked, and sometimes it's just too much.
Speaker 1: I just could not read about Bill Cosby getting released.
Speaker 4: I just couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dozens and dozens of women over decades.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that cover, we shared it on our stories. But
Speaker 1: like that cover of I think it's like the new
Speaker 1: York Times magazine or something that Marishka shared was or posted,
Speaker 1: is like that really strikes you. How many women are
Speaker 1: sitting there as Bill Cosby's victims.
Speaker 4: And we know this, And that's what pisses me off.
Speaker 2: Is like, on top of all the abuse everyone goes
Speaker 2: through constantly, it's like the gaslighting and the diminishing of
Speaker 2: everything where it's like, I just if I hear another
Speaker 2: person ever anywhere, even if they're not at my table,
Speaker 2: I will hit them, like I don't care if anyone
Speaker 2: ever again says why didn't she go to the cops.
Speaker 2: Just go to the cops, go to the courts. You
Speaker 2: deserve tobody slapped in the face. That's my new policy.
Speaker 2: I am not engaging in that conversation anymore. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how many more like evident, like, how many
Speaker 2: more examples we need to prove how fucked up our
Speaker 2: judicial system is when it comes to sex crimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's very annoying.
Speaker 1: And in many other ways, I mean not just sex crimes,
Speaker 1: but in a lot of things that deal with women.
Speaker 1: I mean Britney Spears, they just said today her appeal
Speaker 1: was denied. I didn't see the removed. But but listen,
Speaker 1: from what I read, that doesn't mean that it's over.
Speaker 1: It's like, basically that was not in response to the
Speaker 1: twenty four minute statement that she made, like that's it's
Speaker 1: from what I read, there's still hope. This is not
Speaker 1: the end. But it's crazy because this Hollywood producer, it's
Speaker 1: his mother who's the judge. So it is a female
Speaker 1: judge because people are saying, oh, this is sexist, like
Speaker 1: a man would not be locked up like this, or
Speaker 1: like the way that Brittany is locked up, you know,
Speaker 1: physically and emotionally and finding But it is a female judge.
Speaker 1: But there is also you know, internalized misogyny everywhere.
Speaker 2: So often I feel like old school feminism and the like.
Speaker 2: To get ahead, it was, how do I join the
Speaker 2: boys club? How do I get a seat at the table.
Speaker 2: And to get a seat at the table with the
Speaker 2: boys club, you have to act like a boy. You
Speaker 2: have to be a piece of shit, you have to
Speaker 2: join in the patriarchal ways, like a Betsy DeVos is
Speaker 2: a good example, you know, like it's not like you
Speaker 2: bring your full femininity to the table and you achieve
Speaker 2: success at bear Stearns. You know, like you are hiding
Speaker 2: that and being as masculine as possible, and the new
Speaker 2: wave or like how I feel is like, fuck the table.
Speaker 4: I don't want your table.
Speaker 1: I want my own table.
Speaker 4: I want my own rules.
Speaker 2: I don't want to fit into what you've created society
Speaker 2: to be. And that's how I feel about like maybe
Speaker 2: an old judge who's been around for a while, it's
Speaker 2: like you're following the rules of the patriarchy, thinking like
Speaker 2: I need to keep being here and be the woman here,
Speaker 2: versus like you know, diving into your femininity and wanting
Speaker 2: your own system that you create. I feel that way,
Speaker 2: and sometimes within comment they're like if you look sometimes
Speaker 2: at like the women that truly succeed, they're not bringing
Speaker 2: other women around. They're not like they're not suddenly like
Speaker 2: breaking down barriers. They're doing what they can to stay
Speaker 2: at that table and be the one woman at the table.
Speaker 2: And so that's what I think of when I see
Speaker 2: old dumb bitches acting like an old dumb bitch.
Speaker 1: So that is how I feel.
Speaker 2: I also would like to add shout out to everyone
Speaker 2: that I met in Philly.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was so cool to see all you
Speaker 1: guys going out to see Liza. That was really fun
Speaker 1: and I was jealous and I'm hoping that we have
Speaker 1: more future.
Speaker 2: Everyone is excited to come see us. People asked about Oscar.
Speaker 2: Everyone was great and everyone was cool, like I met
Speaker 2: an author, I met some chefs that are juicing. People
Speaker 2: are listening to us at work every day, Kaylee, Tabitha.
Speaker 4: We went out.
Speaker 2: I mean it was really fun meeting everyone that liked
Speaker 2: the pod, and I could tell who the pod people
Speaker 2: were in the audience. I'm like, oh, do you have
Speaker 2: bright yellow hair? I bet you listen to the pod,
Speaker 2: you know. But then one girl had blue hair, did
Speaker 2: not listen to the pod. Hopefully she joins us, but
Speaker 2: she did come from Rochester. But I partied too hard
Speaker 2: and I Saturday night, I was like, I will not
Speaker 2: be going out. I have work to do. I have
Speaker 2: a six am flight. I will behave What did I do?
Speaker 2: I was smoking cigarettes in someone's hotel bathroom with the
Speaker 2: steam on until four in the morning, and then packed
Speaker 2: and then at four point thirty the host drove me
Speaker 2: to the airport and then I had a hellish Sunday
Speaker 2: night of traveling.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm no.
Speaker 1: Sleep, Oh my god, Liza.
Speaker 4: But Philly was fun.
Speaker 2: So our I was just nice meeting everyone, So shout
Speaker 2: out to everyone.
Speaker 4: Oh I met some fine artists, Yeah, fine artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, a lot of our listeners have very cool
Speaker 1: jobs we get. We get emails from like private investigators,
Speaker 1: from freaking trial lawyers, and like very cool jobs. This
Speaker 1: one listener, I'll just say her name is Taylor because
Speaker 1: she didn't say if I could use her name, but
Speaker 1: she wrote us a message regarding the subway fish scandal
Speaker 1: that many of you have checked in with us about.
Speaker 1: She wrote us a DM saying marine biologists here they
Speaker 1: test fish DNA to make sure that markets are actually
Speaker 1: selling what they say they're selling. Tuna, swordfish, sharks are
Speaker 1: all high value fish, but you can't tell the difference
Speaker 1: once they're a FILA. There's been fraud that benefits the
Speaker 1: fishmongers or fishermen that are over underreporting what they catch,
Speaker 1: so biologists struggle to monitor fish stocks. Anyway, I just
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting that this is a big problem
Speaker 1: for subway, but this has actually been a problem for
Speaker 1: a really long time, she said, And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There reminded me because yeah, Sush, she had this issue.
Speaker 2: People are like getting shittier fish and like just dying
Speaker 2: it or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it's not real.
Speaker 2: No, marine biologists. I've wanted to be one. We've all
Speaker 2: wanted to be one. We've all wanted to go to
Speaker 2: college in Florida.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, you have that job that like every
Speaker 1: eleven year old says that they want to have, Like
Speaker 1: I'm going to work with dolphins and I'm gonna live
Speaker 1: in Florida. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: Also marine biologists.
Speaker 2: The name of a great Seinfeld episode.
Speaker 1: One of the best.
Speaker 2: I would say my top ten episodes is that one.
Speaker 2: So if you want to hit up Seinfeld and you
Speaker 2: have not watched drag Race, and I'm behind on Bravo,
Speaker 2: so we can't.
Speaker 1: I started, I'm half I honestly got halfway through their entrances,
Speaker 1: so I started, but I'm not very far in. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna catch up this week. Well, you've had in Now,
Speaker 1: speaking of great episodes, we got to dive into today's.
Speaker 4: Great Let's get this baby started.
Speaker 1: All right, So now let's dive into I Deserve Some
Speaker 1: Loving Too, which is a more recent episode. This is
Speaker 1: season twenty one, episode fourteen. Actually, this episode aired literally
Speaker 1: a month before Lockdown Pandemic Lockdown in February of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: so feels like it's in our very immediate past. We
Speaker 1: open on Olivia in her building on the phone. She's
Speaker 1: in like a nice wood paneled elevator. I love like
Speaker 1: sort of getting to figure out, like what neighborhood does
Speaker 1: Olivia live in? What kind of building? You know? While
Speaker 1: we find out she got a door guy. Baby, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's good that you live in a
Speaker 1: doorman building. I think you deserve that. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that don't like Olivia Benson walking
Speaker 1: around New York City. I mean a lot of creeps,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's good that she has a doorman.
Speaker 1: Not that man. This man looks like he could defend
Speaker 1: her or anything, but he is kind of overly cheerful,
Speaker 1: like miss Benson, your male Like it's it was I
Speaker 1: thought it was kind of weird. And then the whole
Speaker 1: opening of this episode is like, can everybody just leave
Speaker 1: Benson the fuck alone? Like immediately her doorman bothers her.
Speaker 1: Then as soon as she leaves the building, some jogger
Speaker 1: is like hey, and then a guy getting out of
Speaker 1: a cab goes can I get a smile? And like, literally,
Speaker 1: fuck every can I get a smile? Guy? Forever? Like,
Speaker 1: I think most women have agreed that you're not going
Speaker 1: to get a smile that way, and it's the most
Speaker 1: annoying thing to ask for.
Speaker 4: Well, also, why do people need to smile?
Speaker 1: I don't know to see that either. What if I
Speaker 1: just got fired? Yeah? What if I just pissed myself.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's lot of things could be happening.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I just want some I will I now.
Speaker 2: I'm having a lot of fantasies in my brain of
Speaker 2: punching people in the face.
Speaker 1: I think slowly men are learning that the smile thing
Speaker 1: is stupid, but I think that they also think it's
Speaker 1: just like a way to disarm a woman and like
Speaker 1: get to start flirting. And it's like, no, most women
Speaker 1: hate it. Most women hate it. So we were following
Speaker 1: Olivia on her walk and then we sort of transition
Speaker 1: to following this other hot woman as she walks down
Speaker 1: the street and she goes down into the subway and
Speaker 1: we see this guy notice her and follow her down
Speaker 1: into the subway. But this is midday, so you're not
Speaker 1: feeling like quite the you're not feeling quite the like ominous,
Speaker 1: there's an attack about to happen thing. So this woman
Speaker 1: gets in the subway, then Kat officer to me and
Speaker 1: gets on the train, and a guy on the train
Speaker 1: gives her eyes. So it's kind of like, what are
Speaker 1: we looking at it? We just looking at like men
Speaker 1: being gross to women day to day in New York City.
Speaker 1: That's like what the setup is here? And we see
Speaker 1: this guy who followed the hot woman. We see him
Speaker 1: kind of like grinding up on the woman that he followed.
Speaker 1: And then Amanda Rollins gets on the train and she
Speaker 1: settles in between a couple of man spreaders. And then
Speaker 1: this original perv who followed the hot woman gropes another
Speaker 1: woman and now he's like near and every time he
Speaker 1: gropes woman, the woman's like hey, and he just kind
Speaker 1: of moves on, which I feel like I can relate
Speaker 1: to that. I think that is like what happens like
Speaker 1: somebody bumps up against you and they're like grinding on
Speaker 1: the back of your butt on the subway and then
Speaker 1: you're like ew and then they kind of just move
Speaker 1: away from you. This is years ago.
Speaker 2: I was on the train and I accidentally steps on
Speaker 2: these girls sneakers a little. I mean, you know, morning
Speaker 2: commutes are packed, they're a little wild. And she got
Speaker 2: mad and she's like, don't fucking do that, and I
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, and then it happened again. She's like,
Speaker 2: I will fucking like she fully threatened me, and I go,
Speaker 2: are you kidding? She goes no, and it's like, well
Speaker 2: you should have saved your money and taken a car, bitch. Sorry,
Speaker 2: like you're gonna come on the train with new shoes
Speaker 2: and be mad someone accidentally step by him.
Speaker 1: I got into a fight with a man on the
Speaker 1: subway for that exact same thing, and he I was
Speaker 1: with my young cousin, who was like only twelve at
Speaker 1: the time or something, and I go, oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: did I hurt your shoes? Like, because he was getting
Speaker 1: so mad at me, and so I started like making
Speaker 1: fun of him, and then he was like, you fucking bitch.
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there like steaming at me, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, maybe I shouldn't be antagonizing this
Speaker 1: man while my young cousin is with me like this is.
Speaker 1: But I've been the opposite.
Speaker 2: I was high as hell once and I guess my
Speaker 2: stuff was taking up more space than I thought.
Speaker 4: And some guy was like, oh, look at you.
Speaker 2: He's just so selfish and inconsiderate, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what if I'm just high in reading a book, asshole,
Speaker 2: And like we got into a full lass fight because
Speaker 2: like I moved my coat. But it's like you're assuming
Speaker 2: I was just like in my own world, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've been on both sides, lots of fights everywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, we could cut all of this because none of
Speaker 1: this is about groping or grinding. It's just about us
Speaker 1: bothering people on the subway. But you know, but basically
Speaker 1: this guy is just like moving from person to person
Speaker 1: groping them. Now he's near Cat, and the guy who
Speaker 1: originally gave Cat eyes gives Cat a signal, and then
Speaker 1: she grabs the guy and goes, got you grope a dope? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right? And then this guy Kat's obviously like not
Speaker 1: strong enough to hold him. I guess he makes a
Speaker 1: run for it. This is like a.
Speaker 3: Full sting operation. The hot Girl's in on it.
Speaker 1: The original Hawk girl who he followed into the subway
Speaker 1: as a cop, rollins Taman and the guy who gave
Speaker 1: Cat eyes at the beginning and they gave her the
Speaker 1: signal is also a cop. So four undercover officers are
Speaker 1: like all in this operation to get a subway groper.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's like not a legitimate concern.
Speaker 1: I just like I don't believe the NYPD provides this
Speaker 1: kind of manpower now they're too.
Speaker 4: Busy busting chuer Oh ladies, Right, well, I.
Speaker 1: Was just speaking of This guy starts tearing through the subway.
Speaker 1: He destroys a turo stand like just fully, like could
Speaker 1: have just run by it, but instead like throws the
Speaker 1: turo stand like on the He smashes his cell phone,
Speaker 1: throws it on the tracks. He gets upstairs, he turns
Speaker 1: his jacket inside out, puts on a hat, like he
Speaker 1: kind of knows what he's doing. Then they find like
Speaker 1: spot him, they grab him, and he keeps going wrong, Guy, wrong, guy,
Speaker 1: I'm just on my way to work. Police brutality, and
Speaker 1: like police brutality is very very real. But like this
Speaker 1: guy is fully guilty, and the crowd starts chanting and
Speaker 1: going nuts. It's like a very intense scene just where
Speaker 1: like there's the subway can be already claustrophobic, and then
Speaker 1: you have like a scene where people are moving in
Speaker 1: on you and screaming and chanting and no one's listening
Speaker 1: to what you're saying. Like Icy tries to explain, and
Speaker 1: he's like, he's a grope or imagine if it was
Speaker 1: your daughter, and no one cares. They're all just like
Speaker 1: in on the mob mentality. So it's kind of nuts.
Speaker 1: And now we're at the precinct. Olivia is reviewing this
Speaker 1: bystander footage from the internet which has, as she says,
Speaker 1: that one as viral as the flu good one live
Speaker 1: and she's kind of reviewing the footage with Deputy Chief
Speaker 1: Christian Garland played by desmor Barnes, and he's like, who's
Speaker 1: op was this? And it's the guy who gave the
Speaker 1: signal to kat Is, Sergeant Hassim Kaldoon Cutie And he
Speaker 1: comes back in a few episodes, but this is his
Speaker 1: first appearance in the show and he's part of They
Speaker 1: literally are like the SVU subway unit. I think he's
Speaker 1: a transit he's in the transit unit, but they say
Speaker 1: it's the SVU subway unit, and I'm like, is that
Speaker 1: a thing? Anyway? They were trying to target cereal grinders.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do that. I mean that's
Speaker 1: literally like finding an ant in an ant hill that
Speaker 1: is like an asshole ant. Like, there's just so many
Speaker 1: fucking people in the subway every day. People take different routes,
Speaker 1: they say, in different cars. I mean, I just don't
Speaker 1: know how you find cereal gropers. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's probably footage, I suppose, but it just seems like
Speaker 1: a lot. So in this like sting that they set up,
Speaker 1: they snagged three gropers. They're all at the precinct being
Speaker 1: interrogated at the same time. I don't know, this is
Speaker 1: like television magic. So there's like, you know, they're all like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, my hand slipped, and then another guy's like,
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do? It's like springtime.
Speaker 1: Everybody's took their coats off, like I'm al like, everybody's
Speaker 1: these guys are creeps. And then the third guys who
Speaker 1: were interested. This is the guy who we followed at
Speaker 1: from the beginning of the episode who ran and his
Speaker 1: name is Dwayne Verrick. He's a data clerk for the
Speaker 1: US Citizenship and Immigration Department.
Speaker 2: He's too hot to be a Duayne Oh I was
Speaker 2: about says too had to be a Dwayne, but Dwayne
Speaker 2: the Rock Johnson. Nevermind, Dwayne is rebranded as a hot
Speaker 2: guy name.
Speaker 1: Did you think because of like Dwayne Wayne from a
Speaker 1: different world, maybe Dwayne was more of a I thought
Speaker 1: he was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I take all of this back, Dwayne only hotties
Speaker 2: because then Dwayne Wade, I think is pretty beloved too.
Speaker 1: So Dwayne is saying that all this touching was accidental,
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, why did you run, destroy your
Speaker 1: phone and change outfits because you're acab? I mean that's
Speaker 1: not really He's like, well, my dad had that conversation
Speaker 1: a long time ago with me, Like and then Demur
Speaker 1: Barnes is like, okay, he's playing the race card and
Speaker 1: now he's playing his lawyer card, but like, no one
Speaker 1: is buying it. This guy is clearly like he's just
Speaker 1: like a little bit too cocky. I don't know it's
Speaker 1: because he has like a federal job and he knows
Speaker 1: how the system works and how you can just kind
Speaker 1: of lie your way through things. But he's definitely a creepo.
Speaker 1: They want to check his computers, at least his work computer,
Speaker 1: but Homeland Security is going to throw out roadblocks so
Speaker 1: lives like what if we don't ask?
Speaker 3: So now they're at the office.
Speaker 1: Of Roory O'Toole, who is a man whose Irish name
Speaker 1: is matched only by his extremely Irish face. This man
Speaker 1: looks very, very irish. He's played by Jeremy Bob, who
Speaker 1: has also been in two other episodes of SVU as
Speaker 1: different characters, including Lessons Learned, which we have recently covered.
Speaker 1: And we know him from Russian Doll. Do you remember
Speaker 1: he's a character in Russian Doll? I do, yeah, which
Speaker 1: is a show we both love. Sweet Birthday Baby. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So we're at roy Otol's office at the US Citizenship
Speaker 1: and Immigration Department and he's talking to Benson and Fann.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, Dwayne works for me. We vet marriages
Speaker 1: to make sure they're legit and that they're not green
Speaker 1: card romances. They ask o'tool if they can see Dwayne's computer,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I got to go through proper channels.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, if we were to subpoena you,
Speaker 1: this would look pretty bad for your office and it
Speaker 1: would turn you guys into a punchline. And they're like, look,
Speaker 1: you're an investigator, why don't you check out his search
Speaker 1: history and if there's anything creepy, let us know flash
Speaker 1: forward to the precinct. They've obviously looked and found many
Speaker 1: upskirt photos on this guy's work computer. This is a
Speaker 1: Class E felony, and they didn't need a warrant because
Speaker 1: he has a job at a federal building, so his
Speaker 1: work computer was up for grabs. Now Dwayne is like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm screwed, and he uses his bargaining chip,
Speaker 1: which is he claims that O'Toole, his boss, is actually
Speaker 1: the PERV. He wants to make a deal. He claims
Speaker 1: that O'Toole has been holding up green cards in exchange
Speaker 1: for sex, Like he basically will target young women that
Speaker 1: face like religious or political persecution back in their country,
Speaker 1: so they're too scared to go home. They have a
Speaker 1: couple red flags in their applications for green cards with
Speaker 1: their husbands, and he basically is like, have sex with
Speaker 1: me or I'll deport you. So they're like, what's the proof,
Speaker 1: What proof does Dwayne have of this? And they're like,
Speaker 1: one time he took a file off his desk and
Speaker 1: came back the next day smiling and said, the best
Speaker 1: cure for blue balls is a green card, and I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: it seems like they need a little bit more like
Speaker 1: evidence than that. But he does give them a victim name.
Speaker 1: So now they're questioning Lena Vasquez Boyd. She admits that
Speaker 1: he questioned her three times out of the office, and
Speaker 1: she says she did what she had to do, So
Speaker 1: she essentially admits that this guy did assault her, but
Speaker 1: she can't testify because she can't go back to Guatemala
Speaker 1: and she loves her husband and he's been cheated on
Speaker 1: and he's sensitive and doesn't want to like she doesn't
Speaker 1: want him to know. So now Finn and Benson are
Speaker 1: debriefing Garland. They're like, he basically will meet the couple
Speaker 1: at his office, and then he'll say he needs to
Speaker 1: meet the women separately, and he'll meet them in his
Speaker 1: mini van and basically say, you want the green card.
Speaker 1: I deserve a little love and too. Now that is
Speaker 1: the name of the episode, is I deserve some loving too.
Speaker 1: And it's also like this guy's catchphrase, it's very strange,
Speaker 1: like why would you keep repeating that sentence? Well, this
Speaker 1: isn't not.
Speaker 2: The first time there a purp has a signature. A
Speaker 2: little saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I guess there's like to tell
Speaker 1: me that you like it guy or whatever. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm a bad boy. I mean there.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a play. It's a thing that
Speaker 2: happens pretty often for.
Speaker 1: Me, though, Like forcing someone to say something is more
Speaker 1: of like a power play than just being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I deserve some love and too. To keep saying hey,
Speaker 1: I deserve some loving too is weird, I think, But
Speaker 1: this guy is weird, So you're right, it's not that
Speaker 1: crazy to have a signature catchphrase when you're a creepy ah.
Speaker 4: So both of us repeat things constantly. We can't fault
Speaker 4: this guy, yep, but not every time.
Speaker 1: It's not just about repetition. It's like having this dorky
Speaker 1: line that you say every time you're trying to like
Speaker 1: assault a woman. You're like, I deserve some love and two.
Speaker 1: Like it's just weird. I think it's a strange little line.
Speaker 1: Impressive that it's twenty one letters, though, yes, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say they also had to maybe they had to
Speaker 1: hammer it home because they were so excited that they
Speaker 1: found a twenty one letter name.
Speaker 2: Well, I also wonder if they came up with the title. No,
Speaker 2: they couldn't, like if they came up with the title,
Speaker 2: squeezed that in or made it so it had to
Speaker 2: be twenty one and used it or was it just
Speaker 2: in there?
Speaker 4: And they're like, can we use it?
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be fine if he if they
Speaker 1: said it one time in the episode, but they mentioned
Speaker 1: it three times. They're like, this is his thing that
Speaker 1: he says all the time. It's just interesting. So basically,
Speaker 1: if these women turn him down, they'll get supported or
Speaker 1: they end up in iced attention. So Finn and Olivia
Speaker 1: want to access his computers and phone records, but Garland
Speaker 1: is like this is ice, Like, we're gonna need more corroboration,
Speaker 1: We're going to need more names. So now Rollins and Keldoon,
Speaker 1: who is this qut from the Subway Unit, are now
Speaker 1: at a FA restaurant where they asked to see Rosami Klan.
Speaker 1: She immediately like books of this. She says, oh, I'll
Speaker 1: go get her for you, and then she books it
Speaker 1: out of there.
Speaker 2: And the thing is I love that. I think it's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things. But she just sped walks
Speaker 2: too fast?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like if.
Speaker 2: She just waited three more seconds to speed walk. She
Speaker 2: could have maybe gotten away.
Speaker 1: If she played it a little bit more chill, which
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have noticed. She'd be halfway down in Queen
Speaker 1: somewhere anyway. So they tell her, you're not in trouble,
Speaker 1: we just want to talk to you about a tool.
Speaker 1: She goes, he never touched me, and it's like, we
Speaker 1: didn't even ask you about him touching you, so he
Speaker 1: definitely touched you. And she says like, I love my husband,
Speaker 1: go away, leave me alone, and basically like runs away
Speaker 1: from that. Well.
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention, and I know I've mentioned this
Speaker 2: podcast this is actually happening multiple times, but there was
Speaker 2: one woman I've talked.
Speaker 4: About her, but she her dad raped her for years.
Speaker 2: And she was saying, how when you are an immigrant
Speaker 2: or a person of color, like you are raised or
Speaker 2: like an immigrant who needs a green card, raised to
Speaker 2: not trust authority and like not tell anyone anything, so
Speaker 2: when things do happen, you're just like you don't trust
Speaker 2: these people at all.
Speaker 4: Right, ever, of course you're gonna run away.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she was taught like, don't ever fucking talk
Speaker 2: to a uniform person, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, completely, So now we're meeting a third victim Maggie Quigley,
Speaker 1: who is in Iiced Attention. She's Irish, and she explains
Speaker 1: to Kat how her husband and her sailed through four interviews,
Speaker 1: and then O'Toole says he needs to meet with her
Speaker 1: one more time, picks her up in a mini van
Speaker 1: with a mattress in the back, tells her, I'll give
Speaker 1: you a green card and your husband can bang you
Speaker 1: whenever he wants, and then he says I deserve some
Speaker 1: loving too. So now we're like getting the catchphrase? Is
Speaker 1: what is like linking them all? But it's like, we
Speaker 1: all know who this man is. There's records of him
Speaker 1: being with you, so I don't know that we need
Speaker 1: the catchphrase to connect. But so she told him to
Speaker 1: fuck off, and now she's in ICED attention and she
Speaker 1: says she can't testify or her husband will get to
Speaker 1: and he's also on a green card. So Careese is like,
Speaker 1: we can ask the US attorney for a warrant on
Speaker 1: the minivan, but then the FEDS will take the case
Speaker 1: and they won't fight for these women. So Benson comes
Speaker 1: up with the idea, let's create some of our own victims.
Speaker 1: Let's like set up a trap like an undercover op.
Speaker 1: She's got contacts at Homeland Security that can push through
Speaker 1: a visa application or a green card application, and she's
Speaker 1: got other undercover officers who can do it. Cut to
Speaker 1: Rollins and Caldoon quizzing each other on their fake relationship.
Speaker 1: What side of the bed do you sleep on? You
Speaker 1: spoon me? Blah blah blah. It's getting kind of flirty.
Speaker 1: We can see the spark or two flying between these
Speaker 1: two and then enter careesy awkward. He's not quite picking
Speaker 1: up on their sexual chemistry yet, but we are. And
Speaker 1: they sort of roll a plane interview and Coreasey seems
Speaker 1: like pissed off, like how cutesy they're acting. He's like, yeah, yeah, whatever, anyway,
Speaker 1: how'd you two meet? Like it's really funny to see
Speaker 1: him getting jealous over this undercover like role play scenario
Speaker 1: that they're doing. So now the interview sort of segues
Speaker 1: into the real interview. This fake interview turns into the
Speaker 1: real interview where they're talking to O'Toole's talking to cal
Speaker 1: Doon and then Rollins and you know, she's telling him
Speaker 1: what they like to eat and for Valentine's Day, they're
Speaker 1: going to stay home and order food from two different places,
Speaker 1: and he says that's romantic. I say, I could not
Speaker 1: live like that. I could not live with somebody where
Speaker 1: we had to constantly order from two different places because
Speaker 1: our food types were so different. Lisa, it doesn't bother
Speaker 1: me at all. I love ordering from multiple places, even
Speaker 1: if we can all eat the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like that thing I enjoy. I love ordering sushi
Speaker 2: and pizza in one meal.
Speaker 1: To me, it's like we're double paying the delivery fee.
Speaker 1: I can't abide that.
Speaker 3: As a fiscally frugal Jew.
Speaker 2: I just can't leave the jew nous out of it
Speaker 2: because I'm a Jew and I love spending money. You're
Speaker 2: just a frugal girl on your own.
Speaker 1: Listen, Okay, I'm not saying all Jews are frugal. I'm
Speaker 1: saying I'm frugal Jew, like I just am, Like, why
Speaker 1: would we both order from two different restaurants. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be two different delivery fees, two different tips, two different
Speaker 1: service fees. All that shit.
Speaker 2: Well, because I also do it when we hang out
Speaker 2: as friends, like I've gotten from different places than you before,
Speaker 2: or I'm in the mood for this, I'll just get
Speaker 2: this who cares. We're adults. We all get to eat
Speaker 2: what we want. Yes, we all get to even we want.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying in a romantic relationship where you're like,
Speaker 1: you're ordering food together a lot, and I just don't
Speaker 1: think I could abide that. I I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: Like when people don't eat seafood. That bothers me. So
Speaker 2: I get that, like if it but.
Speaker 1: Sure, if there's one thing and it's like one sei,
Speaker 1: Like we have a friend who's married to someone allergic
Speaker 1: to seafood, and so sometimes she'll just get seafood with
Speaker 1: us because she can't get it with him. Sure, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, that's not a romantic Valentine's Day for me.
Speaker 1: Find something on the menu.
Speaker 2: No, for me, the worst part is dating someone that
Speaker 2: would abide by a religion.
Speaker 4: Like that's the problem.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we could get like you'll get Middle Eastern food, all, well,
Speaker 2: I love Middle Easter. There's really nothing I wouldn't get.
Speaker 2: This would have to be this future romantic person. But
Speaker 2: the food is the least problems I would have. Then
Speaker 2: you know, like he's probably doing Ramadan. That seems like
Speaker 2: more hard to deal with than like just ordering different things,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't drink. That's now that's a problem. That's harder, right,
Speaker 2: Like someone that just never ever drinks, like or from
Speaker 2: two different.
Speaker 3: Places is the least of this fake couple's worries.
Speaker 2: You're also like not boozing together, and you're also like, fully,
Speaker 2: is he praying five times a day?
Speaker 3: That's worse to me than a delivery fee.
Speaker 1: Listen, I've seen people be together where one's a drinker
Speaker 1: and one's not, and it seems to work out better
Speaker 1: food to me, seems like it would be a problem.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Lisa, that's part of what makes
Speaker 1: our friendship crackle is that we disagree. So listen, he
Speaker 1: points out, this guy points out that there's an economic
Speaker 1: disparity between Anda, Amanda's fake characters named Mandy and this
Speaker 1: guy's bake character's name is Fawad. So she's like, there's
Speaker 1: an economic disparity between you and Fawad. There's an age difference,
Speaker 1: and there's religious differences. These are all going to be
Speaker 1: red flags. So he's just kind of planting the seed
Speaker 1: with her, like there are red flags in your application,
Speaker 1: just so you know, And he's like, I might need
Speaker 1: to meet you one more time and don't tell Fawad
Speaker 1: so sket we know he's already taken the bait. I
Speaker 1: mean it's Rollin. She's hot, He's going to take the bait.
Speaker 1: He picks up Rollin's in the minivan. You can like
Speaker 1: see the pillows and the mattress in the back like
Speaker 1: it's sick. It's like cover that up with like a
Speaker 1: blanket or something. He wants her to ask her some
Speaker 1: intimate details like how often they have sex like these
Speaker 1: are these would automatically make me flee a call. I
Speaker 1: don't know why you'd even get in a minivan with
Speaker 1: a guy from your citizenship place, but obviously people feel
Speaker 1: they need to do what they have to do. And
Speaker 1: he's basically like, I have something you need, you have
Speaker 1: something I want. I want you to make love to
Speaker 1: me like you do to for wat. I want you
Speaker 1: to do it two or three times and then he
Speaker 1: can have his green card. And Rollins is going, are
Speaker 1: you saying I have to sleep with you? And o'tool
Speaker 1: goes I'm saying I deserve some loving too, again with
Speaker 1: the catchphrase. So then right after like this moment, the
Speaker 1: squad moves in they ARRESTO tool. So now top of
Speaker 1: Act three, we meet defense attorney John Buchanan. We don't meet,
Speaker 1: we're reunited with. We obviously see him all the fucking time.
Speaker 1: He's the worst, but he's a great actor. He's played
Speaker 1: by Delaney Williams. He's like the worst but the best.
Speaker 1: It's like you love him, but you hate him.
Speaker 2: Well, his Twitter bio is like, I'm the guy you
Speaker 2: love to hate exactly.
Speaker 1: He knows exactly, he knows, and he's great, We're gonna
Speaker 1: we gotta get him on this podcast. I love him.
Speaker 1: He's claiming his client's job is to uncover phony marriages
Speaker 1: and then he succeeded. This was a fake marriage, and
Speaker 1: they're like he's been extorting sex in exchange for green
Speaker 1: cards and she's and he's like, no, it was all
Speaker 1: a test. The mattress is just there to keep up
Speaker 1: the ruse. It's like, okay, what, I don't understand how
Speaker 1: anybody would believe this, And Cariese's kind of on our side.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, none of this is DHS protocol and
Speaker 1: jurors will not buy it, so they can't. Really they're
Speaker 1: feeling like their case is not strong enough with basically
Speaker 1: like just the undercover sting, like you don't have any
Speaker 1: of the actual victims that he has assaulted. You know,
Speaker 1: Two of them are afraid of their husband's finding out.
Speaker 1: The third is in iced attention and worried that her
Speaker 1: husband is going to get deported. So Carisey's like, take
Speaker 1: a run at them all again, rollins and kel do
Speaker 1: and go back to Rosamie. She's like, I can't break
Speaker 1: Eddie's heart. Eddie shows up and they pretend that they're
Speaker 1: investigating robberies or whatever. I mean, this sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just sucks like all the way and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: these guys can't find out. It's like if they're Maddie,
Speaker 2: don't you're gonna be mad if someone was assaulted.
Speaker 1: It's just so fucking annoying. It sucks that two of
Speaker 1: these victims are literally placing everything on the fact that
Speaker 1: their husbands are like fragile and can't feel cheated on
Speaker 1: and can't feel abused.
Speaker 4: You've got in the country.
Speaker 1: Yes, you've been fully like sexually assaulted and blackmailed.
Speaker 2: It's like those period machines where guys are like falling
Speaker 2: over and the women are like, I don't feel a thing.
Speaker 1: It's like I just saw a video of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's or just like that there was a male
Speaker 2: birth control but there were too many side effects, so
Speaker 2: they stopped working on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, wait, but we have side effects.
Speaker 2: It's just it's crazy that these women are fully being abused.
Speaker 2: Everything's on their shoulders and they're like, my guy's too jealous.
Speaker 1: I can't let him know I was assaulted. It's right,
Speaker 1: or it's like it's honestly, it's like it's like cook culture.
Speaker 1: It's like I can't cook my husband like that, Like
Speaker 1: I can't let him be like a cook when like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Like you are the victim here.
Speaker 1: It's just so fucked up. Anyway.
Speaker 6: One of my favorite Kara Klank jokes is not trusting
Speaker 6: men to take birth control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank thank you, that is one of my jokes.
Speaker 1: It's a great check out my album. Check out my album.
Speaker 1: It's got a good took about how man Handlebert would
Speaker 1: handle birth control.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Hannah. Let's see. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's just like it's just fucked up. So
Speaker 1: now we go to the irishwoman Maggie, and they tell her, like,
Speaker 1: you were concerned about your husband getting deported, but now
Speaker 1: that O'Toole is under indictment. He's his hands are tied
Speaker 1: and he would not be able to touch your husband.
Speaker 1: So she's like, Okay, let's do it. I'll get this visa.
Speaker 1: I'll be able to stay here. Great though her testimony.
Speaker 1: What I was thinking is like her testimony is not
Speaker 1: as damning because he never had sex with her, like
Speaker 1: she rejected him, so he could always make up some
Speaker 1: other reason why she's getting deported. So I thought, I
Speaker 1: don't think she's necessarily the greatest witness. I think they
Speaker 1: definitely need to one or two of the other women,
Speaker 1: and she seems hesitant to let them talk to Patrick.
Speaker 1: So then we find out why Finn and Kat go
Speaker 1: to Patrick's place and he's got a little surprise guest,
Speaker 1: a shirtless little cutie right out of the shower, being like,
Speaker 1: is that the takeout babe? So it turns out that
Speaker 1: Patrick is gay, Maggie is gay. They are just Beard
Speaker 1: City for each other, and they are just both trying
Speaker 1: to get green cards. I don't really know why their marriage,
Speaker 1: why they need to be married to each other, yes,
Speaker 1: since they both need they both need green cards, So
Speaker 1: I don't really know where the logic is there that's
Speaker 1: a plot hole. Yeah, why would you need to pretend
Speaker 1: to be straight and marry each other? Are they giving
Speaker 1: green cards to people that are married more? I don't
Speaker 1: really know. If you know, please tell us. Benson is
Speaker 1: talking to Lena at some chucky cheese esque place and
Speaker 1: she's like, well, I'm glad that you arrested O'Toole, but
Speaker 1: my husband is like in full paranoia mode. He's text
Speaker 1: looking at my texts. He's constantly asking me if I'm
Speaker 1: cheating on him, like I'm stressed. He's following me. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't let him know about this, and
Speaker 1: Benson's like, Benson notices she has a welt on her face,
Speaker 1: and so we are getting the idea also that Lina's husband,
Speaker 1: Joe is bad, like he has hit her and he
Speaker 1: is controlling and abusive. Benson tells her we can get
Speaker 1: you a uvisa, which means you don't have to stay
Speaker 1: married to Joe, like a UV for a victim of
Speaker 1: a crime. You don't have to stay married to Joe.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, she seems torn, but she's ultimately like,
Speaker 1: I can't keep living like this and I'm just going
Speaker 1: to testify, So that seems like a way we've got Lena.
Speaker 1: So Rosamy's out, Maggie's Maggie Quigley's marriage was a sham,
Speaker 1: and uh, now we've got at least we've got Lena.
Speaker 1: And Hadid is apparently not Vanessa. Hadid, who we don't
Speaker 1: see in this episode, but she is referenced, is not
Speaker 1: backing down on this case. His lawyer suggested some kind
Speaker 1: of misconduct slap on the risk charge, and she was like,
Speaker 1: fuck that.
Speaker 2: Which is weird because Hadida is so like, yeah, in
Speaker 2: love with the establishment.
Speaker 1: Well she I think she's in love with like kind
Speaker 1: of closing things out, and like this could have just
Speaker 1: been closed out with this little stop on the risk.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I guess in absentia they're trying
Speaker 1: to make her seem like she's more for the victims.
Speaker 1: So she wants a minimum of rape three, felony misconduct
Speaker 1: and receiving a bribe. Liv argues that threatening to return
Speaker 1: them to their countries where they face violence supports forcible pulsion,
Speaker 1: which is rape one. So Crisy argues, that's kind of
Speaker 1: a harder case to make. So they're really counting on
Speaker 1: Lena to be there, like make sure she shows up.
Speaker 1: And whenever they say make sure she shows up, that's
Speaker 1: an sview guarantee that they ain't gonna show up or
Speaker 1: something is going to go wrong. So they're now in
Speaker 1: court and Dwayne is testifying, saying that the women that
Speaker 1: O'Toole requested were young, attractive, diverse, and desperate. These are
Speaker 1: the women that he requested their files be pulled and
Speaker 1: they were all terrified of being deported. And he called
Speaker 1: it his baskin Robin's file one in every flavor. That's
Speaker 1: a very like nineteen nineties joke.
Speaker 7: But.
Speaker 4: I'll allow it.
Speaker 1: The judge is Judge Felicia Catano, who is played by
Speaker 1: Ada Torturo, who has appeared in a dozen svups as
Speaker 1: this character and is known for playing Janis Soprano. I've
Speaker 1: never watched the Sopranos, but that is her big role
Speaker 1: that she's known for. This judge U canon makes it
Speaker 1: seem like Dwayne is making up the story to save
Speaker 1: his own ass, because he brings up that the guy
Speaker 1: got busted for you know, cereal groping. So then Caldoon testifies,
Speaker 1: Rollins testifies basically, Buchanan's just being a piece of shit
Speaker 1: the whole time, and like trying to imply that O'Toole
Speaker 1: was really just trying to trick Rollins into cheating on
Speaker 1: her husband to prove that the marriage is a scam.
Speaker 1: Outside the courtroom, Lena shows up, so she does show up,
Speaker 1: but she will not show out. Lena tells Benson that
Speaker 1: she cannot testify that she just found out she's pregnant,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm praying the baby looks like Joe.
Speaker 1: My baby needs a father. If Joe thinks it's o'tools baby,
Speaker 1: she like doesn't know what he's going to do. So
Speaker 1: she's out, and you can kind of feel for her.
Speaker 1: I guess on that, like there's one thing to stay
Speaker 1: in the country and be able to live your life,
Speaker 1: but to support a child on your own when you
Speaker 1: have no support system and you can't go back to
Speaker 1: your home country. I can kind of see why she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to testify.
Speaker 4: But also I hope she leaves this husband.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do too, Yeah, I do doo, I do too, because.
Speaker 2: This is also showing like the desperation and fucked upness
Speaker 2: where it's like she's also stuck in this marriage. She
Speaker 2: probably doesn't really want to be in so she can
Speaker 2: stay here. It's not like she's living this awesome life
Speaker 2: she's dreamt of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, true. So Cariese asks for continuance, the judge
Speaker 1: gives him till nine am tomorrow, classic SVU time crunch.
Speaker 1: Buchanan goes and at that time, I'll be moving for
Speaker 1: a dismissal and the judge is like slower role, like
Speaker 1: I really love her. She doesn't really let Buchanan get
Speaker 1: away with shit, and Buchanan then says to Carisi should
Speaker 1: have taken the deal, Detective Careesi. And this is when
Speaker 1: you know that Cariese's gonna win because like there's just
Speaker 1: no way they're going to let him disrespect him like that,
Speaker 1: Like the episode's going to end, like you know, Caresee
Speaker 1: is going to come out on top. So Rollins and
Speaker 1: kel Doun are chatting and he's like, let's try Rosami
Speaker 1: Klin one more time, and kel Dune's like, I can
Speaker 1: talk to Eddie Jue to jew So it turns out
Speaker 1: he's Jewish on his mom's side, Muslim on his dad's side.
Speaker 1: They go to Rosami's apartment. She opens the door and
Speaker 1: there's it's kind of heartwarming, but it's also this like
Speaker 1: way too much scene where like Eddie and the daughter
Speaker 1: are at the piano like playing a song together, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's very cute, see and then Caldoon starts
Speaker 1: speaking Hebrew to Eddie and he's like, all right, let
Speaker 1: him in. And it's like, Eddie seems like a nice guy.
Speaker 1: I feel like he would have just let you in.
Speaker 1: But the Hebrew is what really also the opposite if someone.
Speaker 2: Came to my door speaking Russian, I would I would
Speaker 2: slam the door so fast in their face.
Speaker 3: That would be the opposite effect for me.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. That's really funny.
Speaker 2: Why it's suspicious? Get out of here. What are you
Speaker 2: trying to trick me with our commonalities?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you're trying to relate to me. So I
Speaker 2: got my guard down so you can fuck with me?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So Rollins goes into like the Rollins is in the
Speaker 1: bedroom talking to Rosamie with her cute little daughter sitting
Speaker 1: on her lap. She's really sweet, and I would tell
Speaker 1: the daughter like, why don't you step outside while we
Speaker 1: talk about, like go read a little bit. I'll go
Speaker 1: play with a doll and instead, she's just like sitting
Speaker 1: on her lap, like staring at Rollins while Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: we need you to testify. And then cal Dune sits
Speaker 1: down with Eddie and Eddie kind of explains the backstory
Speaker 1: that he was a wedding pianist and Rosemye was a
Speaker 1: wedding caterer and they met and fell in love and
Speaker 1: she converted to Judaism and they have this beautiful baby.
Speaker 1: And then he starts telling this hypothetical story cal Doon
Speaker 1: about how you know a man and a woman have
Speaker 1: a beautiful life. But then and it's just this, it's
Speaker 1: this kind of this like silly storytelling thing where it's like,
Speaker 1: why can't you just fucking tell him what's up, like
Speaker 1: because we're trying to protect men's like fragile egos. But
Speaker 1: Eddie knews immediately.
Speaker 2: So like they kind of trick us with like the
Speaker 2: Lena's husband being a shithead and Roseamy being so scared
Speaker 2: about her husband's reactions, we kind of expect him to
Speaker 2: also be a jerk. Like the whole episode, I'm hating
Speaker 2: this guy. I'm like, fuck this guy, and he's actually
Speaker 2: he's a guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a wedding pianist, so like, yeah, they're there.
Speaker 1: He seems sweet, and it feels like he had to
Speaker 1: go through all this like a storytelling to get to it,
Speaker 1: but he could have just said, like, look, this is
Speaker 1: this is the situation and Eddie knows immediately he goes
Speaker 1: does this story involve O'Toole, And then we cut to
Speaker 1: court and Cariese says he plans to call Maggie quickly.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why, because she's completely not credible now
Speaker 1: that she was faking her. If I was Buchanan, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, you're the reason you're at iced attention is
Speaker 1: because you lied about being in this marriage again, why
Speaker 1: is she marrying another person without a green card to
Speaker 1: get a green card? We found a hole. But then
Speaker 1: he says, and I plan to call Rosami Klein. And
Speaker 1: on that note, Roseamy walks in the doors like a champion.
Speaker 1: Rollin's is whether it's like it looks really it's just
Speaker 1: really like she's this slight little woman with like big
Speaker 1: glasses and she's there like fuck you dog, like I'm
Speaker 1: here to put you away, and you can see O'Toole's
Speaker 1: face just kind of like melts, and like he kind
Speaker 1: of knows he's got God, and Caresey says, o'tool's gonna fold,
Speaker 1: and Olivia goes make it hurt, all right, Benson. And
Speaker 1: then the next morning, if you can in an, o'tool
Speaker 1: show up at Crisy's office and Caresee's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bump the charges up. And then O'Toole really reveals himself
Speaker 1: to not only be a rapist, but to be a
Speaker 1: full racist. He's like, I'm on the front lines of
Speaker 1: a foreign invasion. I'm protecting our borders. He's like essentially
Speaker 1: a proud boy, like he's even grosser than we thought
Speaker 1: he was before. It's like you took a night to
Speaker 1: sleep on it, and you decided to come to the
Speaker 1: DA and tell him how actually horrible you are. Great strategy,
Speaker 1: so we get we actually get a really great monologue
Speaker 1: from Caresey here, like he has a really good chunk
Speaker 1: of dialogue here that is really really great. And then
Speaker 1: at the end he's just like, they came here hoping
Speaker 1: for the American dream and you made their lives a nightmare.
Speaker 1: So it's a very New York accent heavy monologue. And
Speaker 1: I'm liking Caresey in this monologue. So eventually O'Toole takes
Speaker 1: the deal. He gets rap three three counts for each victim,
Speaker 1: and he's going to prison for fifteen years.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, I wonder what happened to Dwayne.
Speaker 1: I hope Dwayne got something. Because subway gropers can just
Speaker 1: literally fuck off. They're disgusting.
Speaker 2: Well that's the big issue. When people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's not that big of a dealer. There needs to
Speaker 2: be levels, or there's a gray area, or come on,
Speaker 2: why are you complaining, It's like because they're creeps and
Speaker 2: they want to do it all the time. They know
Speaker 2: they're going to get away with it, and that's what
Speaker 2: makes them want to keep doing it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like every little thing, every lower back touch matters. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and if you think that they're going to be they're
Speaker 2: going to settle for a lower back touch, No, they're
Speaker 2: going to move on to a denim grinding. Then they're
Speaker 2: going to move on to a fucking fully like groping
Speaker 2: someone in an alley.
Speaker 1: Like it's only going to escalate for a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys, you know. Anyway, Careese is like in the
Speaker 1: station telling Benson everything, and he gives Rolins like full
Speaker 1: credit for getting Rosamy to testify see this.
Speaker 4: Makes sympathetic again.
Speaker 2: You know, we're like, fuck, yeah, great monologue, careesy, sexy, sexy.
Speaker 2: And then it's like, ah, Rob, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, come on, she doesn't like you.
Speaker 1: Like, come on, yeah, bro. He basically is trying to
Speaker 1: give Rowlands all the credit, and Benson is like, actually,
Speaker 1: cal Doone is the one that got the husband to
Speaker 1: understand by speaking Hebrew, and he's like he's just hates
Speaker 1: the praise that people are giving cal Doon and he's
Speaker 1: mad about it. And then Chrisy goes where is Rollins
Speaker 1: And Benson's like, fuck if I know, I'm busy, And
Speaker 1: then they cut to Caldun and Rollin's on a little
Speaker 1: date together at Rosmy's FA restaurant that they were at
Speaker 1: to originally to find her. They tell her basically, O'Toole's
Speaker 1: going to prison. He's going to jail for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I mean he's absolutely going to be in the Arian
Speaker 1: nation there right, Like that's he's going to have full
Speaker 1: Hitler tattoos in like ten minutes, and Roseamy says that
Speaker 1: her and Eddie talked for a really long time. He's
Speaker 1: so sad what I had to go through, Like everything's
Speaker 1: better now, better than before. We have no more secrets,
Speaker 1: and I kind of love SVU making marriages stronger. It's nice.
Speaker 1: And then touched by her words, Rollin touches Caldoon's hand
Speaker 1: and you can kind of see that these two are
Speaker 1: really hot for each other.
Speaker 2: And then Dick Wolf, I know, but then we never
Speaker 2: see the romance agat, like even in currency there's like
Speaker 2: maybe flirting, but it's like they have hands.
Speaker 4: Where's this going?
Speaker 1: He just came back in an episode this season where
Speaker 1: he brought her cough this current season that's on television
Speaker 1: right now, or season twenty two that just ended actually,
Speaker 1: and you can still see the flirtation there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't see all games. Slow game. Yeah, they'll decide
Speaker 1: whether they're going to bring that guy back for a
Speaker 1: lot more, whether they're going to like give everybody the
Speaker 1: release see love that they want. But anyway, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and then I'm excited for you to
Speaker 1: tell me. I mean excited. I'm interested for you to
Speaker 1: tell me about the horrible people who do these crimes
Speaker 1: in real life.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back and we're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: the cases that inspired this episode.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of them.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to give background on ICE immigration and
Speaker 2: customs enforcement, and that was only formed March first, two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, and it was like a reactionary thing
Speaker 2: to nine to eleven. And I just don't want anyone
Speaker 2: to be confused that it is not.
Speaker 4: ICE does not patrol American borders.
Speaker 2: That is done by United States Border Patrol and US
Speaker 2: Customs and Border Protections.
Speaker 1: They're like sister agencies.
Speaker 2: But ICE is a completely separate thing because the border
Speaker 2: patrol people have obviously a lot of bad things and
Speaker 2: sexual abuse and child human trafficking and a lot of
Speaker 2: things happening. In so many articles and other sview episodes
Speaker 2: based on horrific things happening at the border, but these
Speaker 2: are separate horrific things. So just one to give that background.
Speaker 2: And before we get into it, ICE sucks. I want
Speaker 2: ICE shut down. And it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: when people are like, oh, but it's always been here,
Speaker 2: it hasn't, you know what I mean? If Ice was
Speaker 2: a human, it couldn't get into a bar. Okay, this
Speaker 2: idea that we like give you know, oh, but it's
Speaker 2: part of our thing and it's like, nah, I wasn't
Speaker 2: and we should see a system outside of it, and
Speaker 2: say when we think about like police where it's like
Speaker 2: we just because it's been here, we see it, like
Speaker 2: we can't have a world without it and we have
Speaker 2: to expand our brains.
Speaker 1: So just a.
Speaker 4: Little minister session right there.
Speaker 2: But okay, So also with researching this, it was like
Speaker 2: so hard to find anything past the initial charges, and like,
Speaker 2: I think it's because these people were within Ice that
Speaker 2: it's like controlled as fuck and they're not give It's
Speaker 2: like if something happened in the army.
Speaker 1: You know, like yeah, I was even trying to find
Speaker 1: photos of them for like our social media little posters
Speaker 1: that we do, and like there's nothing, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: There's another. So there's two guys. So it's based on
Speaker 2: two cases. One is John Jacob's Olivas and then the
Speaker 2: next one is Wilfredo Rodriguez. And there is another Wilfredo
Speaker 2: Rodriguez who did steal a car and I found his
Speaker 2: photo but different, different, different, But yeah, it was like
Speaker 2: really hard to find anything, and I think it's just
Speaker 2: because it's the government and they want to keep all
Speaker 2: of this under wraps. So the John Jacobs Alivas case
Speaker 2: and twenty eighteen, he sexually assaulted two women and told
Speaker 2: them both that the police wouldn't do anything about it
Speaker 2: because he's a special agent at ICE. So one woman
Speaker 2: was assaulted in January twenty twelve, and then the next
Speaker 2: woman was assaulted in September and November of that year.
Speaker 2: He pleaded not guilty to three counts of deprivation of
Speaker 2: rights under color of law.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I think it's like, you know, if like your corrections officer,
Speaker 2: and you're raping an inmate, It's like.
Speaker 1: It's like using your position, using your position, like.
Speaker 2: It's no matter what if someone's incarcerated under your control
Speaker 2: or in trouble, or you're a governmental agency, like it's
Speaker 2: automatically assault because you have full control over them. And
Speaker 2: he is a current inmate at Chuckawalla Valley State Prison
Speaker 2: in California. Okay, so he got some jail time, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I'm also scared, Like it's an official like the
Speaker 2: things I was googling, But this was like a corrections
Speaker 2: org where you try to find inmates and then there's
Speaker 2: a phone number where you could set up a time
Speaker 2: to visit them.
Speaker 4: So it's that kind of a website.
Speaker 2: So it's just the minimal information, like I just know
Speaker 2: that he is in prison, but nothing else. And then
Speaker 2: a part of me is scared that it's a totally
Speaker 2: different guy that I just found in jail. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like it was, there was not a lot,
Speaker 2: and like what I found was the article. All the
Speaker 2: articles kept saying the same thing over and over and
Speaker 2: over again. It's like they had a press release and
Speaker 2: that was that. Like there was no digging around in
Speaker 2: any way.
Speaker 4: So that's that.
Speaker 2: And then the next case is will Fredo Rodriguez. And
Speaker 2: so this happened to a woman who was living in Connecticut,
Speaker 2: and we'll call her Jane Doe. Her name has not
Speaker 2: been released, and she first met this ICE agent in
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. So she's Honduran and her brother
Speaker 2: was arrested for entering the US illegally, and once he
Speaker 2: found out that she too was undocumented, he made her
Speaker 2: become an like an informant to help the Immigration agency
Speaker 2: if she wanted to avoid deportation, and she did it obviously,
Speaker 2: And so while being an informant, she helped the agency
Speaker 2: locate criminals by pointing them to different people, and she
Speaker 2: pointed to three men living in the US illegally who
Speaker 2: had stabbed her husband.
Speaker 4: So, even though it like sucks she's an informant.
Speaker 2: I wonder if a piece of her was like, I
Speaker 2: get to fuck over these guys who stabbed my husband.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't. I mean, this sounds like a movie. Okay,
Speaker 1: go on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A year later, he told her to go to a
Speaker 2: motel to like locate someone for her informant position, but
Speaker 2: instead he sexually assaulted her in the motel. When she
Speaker 2: rejected his advance, he threw her on the bed, covered
Speaker 2: her mouth, put his gun next to her, and said
Speaker 2: if she opened her mouth, he would shoot her. And
Speaker 2: then he raped her and he would call himself the Wolf.
Speaker 2: That's just a fact that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so fucking cool, dude.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's where the slogan came from, like having
Speaker 2: I don't know for the episode.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a stretch. Yeah, instead of him, they knew
Speaker 1: that this guy with the Irish face could not pull
Speaker 1: off like call me the wolf, so he said they
Speaker 1: had him say I deserve some love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then he raped hers often is four times
Speaker 2: a week for seven years.
Speaker 1: Oh my God stop it. Yeah, a long ass time.
Speaker 2: These assaults resulted in three pregnancies and three abortions, and
Speaker 2: this buck had only paid for one of the abortions.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this poor woman.
Speaker 2: She attempted suicide four times. Oh. And her lawyer, George Kramer,
Speaker 2: he made a comment that was like that his client
Speaker 2: only had one choice to cooperate with ICE or be
Speaker 2: deported with her whole family.
Speaker 1: So it's like she didn't really have a choice. So
Speaker 1: that sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like pretty fucked up that ICE
Speaker 2: can wield total control over the ability to remain in
Speaker 2: the US. They're like very powerful, and seems like no
Speaker 2: one good controls it and they can just.
Speaker 1: Do whatever they want. It also seems very like DISORGANI like,
Speaker 1: no one's really like, hey, I'm here for the wrong reason.
Speaker 1: Like there's just a lot of like translation problems, and
Speaker 1: like somebody like this man could just like abuse the
Speaker 1: system and send her back into the ICE like deportation
Speaker 1: system without her really ever being able to be like,
Speaker 1: but actually, my PaperWorks in order, and I'm on my
Speaker 1: way to have this done, you know, like because it
Speaker 1: seems so disorganized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a friend who's old friend from her
Speaker 2: past married someone who works at ICE, and they stopped
Speaker 2: talking to them or going to their house. Like to me,
Speaker 2: it's like being part of the GESTAPA, Like you're not
Speaker 2: a good person if you join ICE, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's just a suspicious organization. Like if
Speaker 2: I was at a bar and someone's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I work at ICE, I'd be like bye, Like I
Speaker 2: would not keep engaging, Like I just don't feel like
Speaker 2: great people want to do that.
Speaker 1: I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, she was working her construction job and
Speaker 2: she received a call from him wanting sex and demanding sex,
Speaker 2: and it stressed her out so much she fell off
Speaker 2: of her ladder and got injured, and she's.
Speaker 1: Had surgeries after that.
Speaker 2: And she thought that would stop him, but it didn't,
Speaker 2: and he kept threatening her and her family. Her dad
Speaker 2: was in the process of getting asylum, and so another
Speaker 2: agent approached her about her father's application, just you know,
Speaker 2: run of the mill type of work, and she opened
Speaker 2: up to them and was like, listen this everything, this
Speaker 2: has happened like and told this agent everything, and the
Speaker 2: agent suggested.
Speaker 1: She consult an attorney. So this was an inside job.
Speaker 2: This is kind of how like the AT and T
Speaker 2: guy that came to my house told me to get Spectrum.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so, but I'm you know, I'm grateful
Speaker 2: that this agent actually was helpful towards her, because he
Speaker 2: could have probably done the opposite. This went to civil court,
Speaker 2: but nothing criminal has happened yet. She sued the US
Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and
Speaker 2: former ICE agent Rodriguez, seeking ten million dollars in damages.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened, and that's that there's
Speaker 1: just nothing about what happened.
Speaker 2: No, if I found it, I definitely would tell you.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd keep secrets from everybody.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, that's really
Speaker 1: wild that there's no follow up on That makes me
Speaker 1: wonder because that's public record.
Speaker 3: Our civil cases public record, though.
Speaker 2: I think so, because I know, like sometimes if you
Speaker 2: sign an agreement or make a deal like you can't
Speaker 2: talk about or something, lawsuits are filed in civil courts,
Speaker 2: and the documents filed in these civil cases are presumed
Speaker 2: to be open.
Speaker 1: To the public. I think you can also have a
Speaker 1: I think there can be an adjudication that is sealed,
Speaker 1: like for like an aunt amount. Probably they settled for
Speaker 1: an undisclosed amount or whatever. But I think the fact
Speaker 1: that they're still in process or whatever, it's so wild.
Speaker 1: This makes me feel like it's like full conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm like ongo, it's like everything is purple, purple, purple,
Speaker 2: and nothing is fucking It's always like she's seeking this
Speaker 2: much in damages and.
Speaker 1: Those articles are from I mean twenty nineteen. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's possible that her lawsuit was held up
Speaker 1: by COVID as well, but hopefully we find out soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I hope she gets the money. I
Speaker 2: hope this guy goes to jail.
Speaker 1: And I don't get why there's no criminal charges either,
Speaker 1: because it's not like the statute of limitations is up.
Speaker 1: If he was raping her for seven years, that means
Speaker 1: the most recent rapes were like in the twenty you know,
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen was right.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing, well, not him, but like
Speaker 2: the other guy was like nothing's gonna happen, No CoP's
Speaker 2: gonna investigate, and no one gives a shit, And it's
Speaker 2: like it is true that girl was like raped by
Speaker 2: an army base and left there like nothing happens, And
Speaker 2: there's been SVU episodes about it. Like when you're within
Speaker 2: the government and these big government agencies, I get billions
Speaker 2: of dollars, like they don't actually have to do anything.
Speaker 2: It's scary being assaulted in the military or ice or
Speaker 2: like if you're someone not as powerful, it seems really
Speaker 2: difficult to get things going or moving. I mean, even
Speaker 2: for regular people that have been sexually assaulted, going to
Speaker 2: the police doesn't always do something right.
Speaker 1: I mean, and then there's police officers that are doing
Speaker 1: it like that. Yeah, fucking disgusting rapist cops that do.
Speaker 2: That, you know, Yeah, and so many. I mean that's
Speaker 2: why people don't report their sexual abuses often because they
Speaker 2: don't end up going to court. These people don't get
Speaker 2: up getting convicted. They're protected by all this mumbo jumbo
Speaker 2: and it's fucked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just it's some there's something just so much
Speaker 1: more disgusting about like assaulting something. I mean, assault is
Speaker 1: assault is assault. It's obviously all horrible, but like just
Speaker 1: when you're doing it to somebody repeatedly because they have
Speaker 1: no way out, like you're abusing your power. It's just
Speaker 1: like an extra layer of horrificness.
Speaker 2: And this view always says, spanning all the seasons, like
Speaker 2: the predators know how to pick their victims.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well exactly what the guy did in
Speaker 1: this like he wasn't picking, like he wasn't picking people
Speaker 1: that had like a really strong case for their green
Speaker 1: card or people that were you know, I mean it's
Speaker 1: almost surprising that they use the Irish story because the
Speaker 1: Irish story wouldn't have worked out. And oh no it
Speaker 1: was Belfast. It was like they made it seem like
Speaker 1: he couldn't go back to Belfast because maybe there was
Speaker 1: political stuff going on there, because Northern Ireland has some
Speaker 1: political stuff going on.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh no, I'm going to get deported
Speaker 1: back to Italy or you know whatever. Like it's it
Speaker 1: was more people that were you could be killed if
Speaker 1: you go home, you know, like something horrible away to
Speaker 1: you if you're deported, so so fucked up.
Speaker 2: It is fucked up. So these are the two cases
Speaker 2: that this episode is based on. But I think we
Speaker 2: both know this probably happens all the time all over
Speaker 2: the world everywhere constantly, and people abusing their authority is
Speaker 2: not even abusing their power and praying on the desperate.
Speaker 1: And it sucks because.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's so many way like the bravery of
Speaker 2: this woman to even take him to court or anything like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's people like in this episode that don't
Speaker 2: want to talk and don't want to tell anyone because
Speaker 2: they don't trust the system, and why.
Speaker 1: Would they, right, But it's really really like concerning to
Speaker 1: me that you were unable to find so much information
Speaker 1: because this clearly this stuff gets just like the press
Speaker 1: can't get into these organizations. I feel like no.
Speaker 2: And it was the same soundbites over and over in
Speaker 2: every single article. It wasn't like there was like deep
Speaker 2: investigative reporting on one or the other.
Speaker 4: Like it was the same information everywhere.
Speaker 1: And it's probably very like these are too bad apples.
Speaker 1: These are just two bad guys we had at ICE.
Speaker 1: Everyone else at ICE is great the same way that
Speaker 1: we hear about you know, police and other institutions all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: And if anyone does have more information or knows how
Speaker 2: these cases ended or anything like that, please reach out
Speaker 2: to us and let us know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then stick around because we have a very
Speaker 1: fun interview when we get back. Okay, time for our guest.
Speaker 1: We were very excited to talk to this person. She
Speaker 1: is a regular performer in the New York comedy scene.
Speaker 1: Oh my God us too. Formerly, she can be seen
Speaker 1: in Netflix's Dash and Lily, and SVU was one of
Speaker 1: her first major roles. We had such a great time
Speaker 1: talking to her. Guys, check out our interview with Lee Hubilia.
Speaker 2: So we'll start from the beginning. We're assuming you auditioned
Speaker 2: at Chelsea Peer's.
Speaker 3: Of course classic.
Speaker 1: How did that go? Like what was the for you?
Speaker 1: So excited when you got the sides? Like tell us
Speaker 1: about the audition process.
Speaker 7: I believe, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 8: I auditioned for for SPU before, but I've auditioned for
Speaker 8: Jonathan Strauss before, so I'd been to like the iconic
Speaker 8: Chelsea Piers like a few times. I definitely took lots
Speaker 8: of pictures when I first got there, like all like
Speaker 8: the movie photos in the hallway of like I don't know,
Speaker 8: gone with the Wind and like that was a very excited.
Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know, if I can.
Speaker 3: Curse, you can swear, say whatever you want.
Speaker 8: Perfect that's when I really shine. So I you know,
Speaker 8: It was really funny because I'd been there a couple
Speaker 8: of times and like hadn't booked anything, and so I
Speaker 8: was kind of just like, I mean, iconic, it would
Speaker 8: be auditioning for.
Speaker 3: Rescue because I have watched a lot of SPO in
Speaker 3: my life. Oh great, So I was really excited and
Speaker 3: I was excited about the role.
Speaker 8: But it wasn't like she wasn't specifically Filipino, and I
Speaker 8: just like felt like, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Her name wasn't Filipino. She worked at like a Thai restaurant.
Speaker 8: I was like, I don't know, I'm just gonna I
Speaker 8: only actually said an Asian act.
Speaker 3: I was the only one I could do was Filipino.
Speaker 7: So we're just gonna go with that. You know.
Speaker 1: Is the accent?
Speaker 2: How maybe your parents or family are like how do
Speaker 2: you develop that? Because I'm Russian and I cannot do
Speaker 2: a Russian accent and it makes me so embarrassed and
Speaker 2: I get so shy and weird, and so how did
Speaker 2: you come up with the accent?
Speaker 8: Okay, actually iconic that this my biggest TV role is
Speaker 8: a Filipino accent and I have never done one.
Speaker 3: My parents don't really have one, I know, shook.
Speaker 8: I called my cousin and my friend to help make
Speaker 8: sure what I was doing was like right, you know,
Speaker 8: and it's.
Speaker 7: Just you know, my parents.
Speaker 8: They have an accent, but it's not super strong, you know,
Speaker 8: and they spoke on the English to me and my
Speaker 8: brother growing up as the whole point is to get
Speaker 8: rid of your accent, right, So.
Speaker 3: Just really, you know, phoned it in. I feel like,
Speaker 3: but it was.
Speaker 8: It's just so funny that, like, you know that that
Speaker 8: I don't normally, you know, I don't have an accent.
Speaker 3: I don't normally do.
Speaker 8: Things with an accent, but you know, we just pulled
Speaker 8: it out. The hat for this one seems to work out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the hair and makeup department?
Speaker 1: Because like people can't see you right now, but like
Speaker 1: they should google you and like your headshots, like you
Speaker 1: have this like long flowing hair. You're so pretty and
Speaker 1: not that Rosamy isn't pretty, but she's very like librarian
Speaker 1: and like Meek, it's just not really like your look
Speaker 1: that you have in real life. So I feel like
Speaker 1: hair and makeup wents to town on you, making you
Speaker 1: this like little dork.
Speaker 8: Yeah, wow, love that dork.
Speaker 3: That's really cute.
Speaker 1: I have to.
Speaker 7: When I auditioned, I was like this, you know, I
Speaker 7: just had hair. I mean, you know, like no makeup.
Speaker 3: I just yeah, my hair out, just T shirt.
Speaker 8: Honestly, we really were just like we're going to show up,
Speaker 8: just very chill. And then I got to my fittings
Speaker 8: and I was just like, we put on some clothes,
Speaker 8: you know, and like they're you know, the clothes are
Speaker 8: like you They're like blouses and like pants.
Speaker 3: She's a hostess.
Speaker 8: She wears a modest heel, okay, cute, and then the
Speaker 8: props guy comes.
Speaker 7: Over with these glasses the shoes show and I'm just
Speaker 7: like what.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm getting you in glasses. I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: so what not like not like I wear glasses all
Speaker 3: the time in real life. I was just like shocked.
Speaker 3: I was like, have you ever even seen me glasses?
Speaker 3: And then like.
Speaker 5: We like specifically, like they specifically had to choose the
Speaker 5: glasses that were like, you know, like Costco glasses. Like
Speaker 5: I was like, well, I would wear weeks and they
Speaker 5: were kind of like a clear like a big frame,
Speaker 5: and they're like yeah, okay, well actually Rosemy is kind.
Speaker 1: Of a little too hip for Rosami.
Speaker 8: A little too hip and then like the hairdo It
Speaker 8: was also funny because I just don't wear my hair
Speaker 8: like that. But it's afterwards I started calling it like
Speaker 8: the Rosamy classic because I'd be like, this is just
Speaker 8: the tendrils.
Speaker 3: In the front, like the prom moment.
Speaker 8: And like it was really like it was really funny
Speaker 8: and fun to like because it really like really transformed
Speaker 8: me into this like different person and it really helped.
Speaker 7: And you know, you trust them. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how is it working with like a little kid?
Speaker 7: Oh my god?
Speaker 8: Your daughter so sweet? Really shook because I looked at her.
Speaker 8: I was like, that could be my kid.
Speaker 1: I kind of like, oh my god, like where and.
Speaker 8: Then her mom was there, so I was a little like, hey,
Speaker 8: if I borrow this for a second.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna put her on my lap. That's cool, right,
Speaker 3: But she was so sweet.
Speaker 8: I mean, I, you know, I have taught and like
Speaker 8: do sometimes teach kids, so like I.
Speaker 7: And I, you know, I nanny it a little bit.
Speaker 8: I babysat so you know, I've read, you know, I've
Speaker 8: done that, like reading the same book over and over again,
Speaker 8: and like so there's a lot of that.
Speaker 7: Just like you know, just treating.
Speaker 8: It just felt like I was hanging out with like
Speaker 8: a really cute, sweet kid and we were like reading
Speaker 8: this book in between takes just to sort of like
Speaker 8: you know, I was like yeah, because I mean like
Speaker 8: she's sitting in a stranger's laugh with all these people.
Speaker 8: I mean she's very chill and like really professional. But
Speaker 8: I was like I would feel weird just all these
Speaker 8: strangers here. So it was it was fun, it was cute.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: But we had to take pictures also, like for the.
Speaker 7: Frames in the apartment, like just like you know, wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I always assume that they just
Speaker 1: kind of like ask you for photos of you when
Speaker 1: you're young, like, hey, can you bring a few photos
Speaker 1: of you? But I guess you probably have to have
Speaker 1: some of you and the kid. Oh yeah.
Speaker 8: There was a whole separate day that was like we
Speaker 8: took our like our wedding photo, you know that was
Speaker 8: a very good hall wedding where they gave me like
Speaker 8: ring lits and like glasses still there of course, but
Speaker 8: like ring lits, and they had a picture of me
Speaker 8: and I think it's like if you look at the piano,
Speaker 8: that's like where the frames. Yeah, because you know, he
Speaker 8: references his me during his scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So any like tidbits of working with the regulars, Marishka,
Speaker 1: Iced Tea give us all that SVUT that we want.
Speaker 7: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: Well it's so funny because like the really like big
Speaker 8: scene with everybody at the courtroom scene right where like
Speaker 8: I'm brought in and it's like done.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everything stopped.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well that was like the very first thing we shot.
Speaker 3: So it was like, you know, I'm just like my
Speaker 3: first day.
Speaker 8: It was like bring me scared into the room, which
Speaker 8: she felt appropriate because I mean it's like the SVU
Speaker 8: court room, you know, it's just like holy shit. And
Speaker 8: then like you know, Mariska Marshka is like standing is
Speaker 8: there for most of it, and then she like you know,
Speaker 8: like flyer in at the last second.
Speaker 7: I'm just like, oh my god, she's here.
Speaker 8: And then I was like it's just it was really
Speaker 8: I didn't have any scenes with Marishka, but it was
Speaker 8: really funny to see her like walking around like the office,
Speaker 8: like you know, I had to go back in for
Speaker 8: ad R. Like Iced Tea was there when I was
Speaker 8: doing my ADR, and it was very much like, oh,
Speaker 8: we're gonna you're gonna come in and you're gonna dor
Speaker 8: dr but I think Ice is coming, so then you're
Speaker 8: just gonna have to leave and then come back. And
Speaker 8: I was like gladly, yes, yeah, let no seat in here,
Speaker 8: do his thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Everyone's very chill and very nice and and Kelly was
Speaker 8: also all all my scenes with Kelly and actually someone
Speaker 8: uh who was just wasn't wasn't a regular Yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 8: from the band's visit, I forgot the.
Speaker 1: Same supposed to be.
Speaker 8: Honestly like having like, you know, Kelly is like a
Speaker 8: series regular, but like they were all like very like
Speaker 8: chilly chill about it, you know, they weren't like I
Speaker 8: don't know, so it made me have to feel chill
Speaker 8: even know like I wasn't. But I just be like
Speaker 8: sure cool, which rehearse, do my lines whatever, No big deal,
Speaker 8: just another just another day and like the longest running
Speaker 8: TV show in history, and likely this is.
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna be able to top this, Like my family
Speaker 3: was like, this is it for me. I reached like
Speaker 3: the pinnacle.
Speaker 8: I could win an oscar and it's not going to
Speaker 8: be being on it too.
Speaker 1: So this episode actually aired right. But speaking of it
Speaker 1: being like, you know, a big moment for you, Like
Speaker 1: it aired right before the pandemic, so you could still
Speaker 1: see people. Did you watch it with your friends? Like
Speaker 1: how did you watch that episode?
Speaker 8: I actually was very cautious about who I was going
Speaker 8: to watch it with because it was my first Like really,
Speaker 8: I mean I've had like other things that but they
Speaker 8: all aired after SVS SVA. That the the biggest turnaround,
Speaker 8: so I didn't know.
Speaker 3: It was almost like am I gonna hate it? I
Speaker 3: don't you know the accent. I was like so nervous.
Speaker 8: I definitely was like I don't want to watch it
Speaker 8: with a lot of like I have like cousins and
Speaker 8: aunts and stuff that, you know. I was like I
Speaker 8: don't want to watch it with like a whole big group,
Speaker 8: which is like would be a typical filipado style.
Speaker 7: But I was like, I think I'm just going to
Speaker 7: watch with my mom, like very low key.
Speaker 3: In Queens And yeah it was. It was really, you know,
Speaker 3: it was very chill.
Speaker 8: I like really wanted it to be like not a
Speaker 8: big thing because I was like nervous about it. But
Speaker 8: then I was like, actually like very happy about it.
Speaker 8: It was really cool to see that's awesome.
Speaker 3: What'd you guys eat while you watched it?
Speaker 8: Well, I used to live in Queens. I used to
Speaker 8: live in Sunnyside. My mom now lives in Sunnyside because
Speaker 8: she's gotta be me. And there's just like there's this
Speaker 8: I don't know why this is now like a recommendation,
Speaker 8: but there's like this place called Mister Chicken and Queens
Speaker 8: and has like the best chicken noodle soup and it
Speaker 8: comes with corn bread.
Speaker 3: It's delicious.
Speaker 8: It's like when I lived there, it was like my comfort,
Speaker 8: like seamless order. Having a bad moment, need chicken soup
Speaker 8: physically or just like emotionally.
Speaker 3: So like that, I like had the whole thing.
Speaker 7: I was like, we're going to go to my mom,
Speaker 7: so it's just gonna be me, my mom, my boyfriend.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna order chicken noodle soup.
Speaker 8: We're gonna watch it, and that's gonna be the whole
Speaker 8: Like I had a very like ceremonial thing set up.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: This is really exciting that you're also a fan of
Speaker 2: the show, So curious if you have any favorite episodes,
Speaker 2: guest stars, or anything like as.
Speaker 1: A watcher that you that we like to say haunts you,
Speaker 1: like any Yeah, what's the episode that haunts you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much every single one so you can't go wrong,
Speaker 1: or like.
Speaker 2: Which detective he thinks the hottest? What da you want
Speaker 2: to comment on, you know whatever? As a viewer, you'd
Speaker 2: like to share.
Speaker 7: Episode that hants you know what's interesting.
Speaker 8: I was like on a plane recently and they were
Speaker 8: there was an SVU marathon going. This is after I
Speaker 8: was on the show, and I was like, oh great,
Speaker 8: you know it's every time the show comes on, you're like,
Speaker 8: you know it's going to be good and you can
Speaker 8: just watch it.
Speaker 3: It was this episode.
Speaker 7: I don't remember the name of it. It was.
Speaker 8: It must have been pretty recent, but the storyline was
Speaker 8: it was like this trans kid I think maybe they
Speaker 8: were in high school, was bullied and like pushed off
Speaker 8: like a bridge or something.
Speaker 1: It was. It's literally called transgender Bridge. Is the name
Speaker 1: of the episode. Really, you could have guessed it if
Speaker 1: you spent Yeah, you thought about it for two seconds.
Speaker 1: It's not the best named episode, I don't think, but
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 8: What you're talking about. It cannot believe it's wow. They're
Speaker 8: just like two things towards put them together. But that
Speaker 8: episode like really like stuck with me and like messing
Speaker 8: it because like then you know, the kid that was bullied,
Speaker 8: the kid that did he's part of a group that
Speaker 8: was bullying this transgender kid, but he's also like a
Speaker 8: young black boy, and you see his mom is just
Speaker 8: like I can't have him, you know.
Speaker 7: And so you're seeing this just like these two.
Speaker 8: Just like uh families that are like absolutely being like
Speaker 8: and then the kid in the hospital like says that
Speaker 8: you know, she forgives the kid that was bullying. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and then there's but then the kid spoilers I don't
Speaker 8: know doing that. But then the the whole turn of
Speaker 8: it is that like and after you and after giving forgiveness,
Speaker 8: the kid in the hospital ends up dying. And then
Speaker 8: as just like as precedents they have to send this
Speaker 8: other kid to jail and try him as an adult,
Speaker 8: and so like his life is ruined and his mom
Speaker 8: was absolutely like beside herself by that, and I was
Speaker 8: just it was so I was like this episode, you know,
Speaker 8: there's like no good and I was like there's SVU
Speaker 8: and it's like finest and it really shows you like
Speaker 8: just like the nuanced like how sometimes you just like
Speaker 8: is no happy ending for anyone?
Speaker 4: And what are are you auditioning now?
Speaker 2: What are your I don't know, dream jobs, goals, wishes, projects.
Speaker 1: That you're working on on your by yourself? You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 7: To Wow, it's that whole therapy session talking about what
Speaker 7: are my wants?
Speaker 8: And I you know, yeah, I've been auditioning in the
Speaker 8: weird way that people do in pandemic, which is just
Speaker 8: at home. Yeah, but like honestly kind of love that
Speaker 8: because I don't have to dress up what chooes on.
Speaker 8: I do some writing on my own. I have a
Speaker 8: writing partner and we're working on some television shows that
Speaker 8: we're like applying to some labs and things like that.
Speaker 8: I just got some good news one of those projects.
Speaker 3: But great.
Speaker 8: I don't know when this will air and when the
Speaker 8: Trades article will come out, but like we're excited about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm excited that we'll get to see you post.
Speaker 1: This in the paper. Yeah, I know what's up. I know. Well,
Speaker 1: when we were like googling you and stuff, we saw
Speaker 1: that you like have done like comedy stuff in you
Speaker 1: in New York. Right, we've dog because we're comedians from
Speaker 1: what we met in New York. We both live in
Speaker 1: La now, but I saw you do stuff at the pit,
Speaker 1: and like I used to perform at the Pit all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: We got rip the pit. I know, R I P
Speaker 3: the pit, R I P U C B. I mean
Speaker 3: they're all I know.
Speaker 8: I mean, Magnet is only one sitting and actually the
Speaker 8: Magnet is where I got most of my training and start.
Speaker 1: I did take an Armando Diaz class at the Magnet
Speaker 1: one time.
Speaker 3: Because everyone was like, you have to take a class
Speaker 3: with Armando.
Speaker 8: Armando is such a I feel like he's a cartoon character.
Speaker 3: He's so funny.
Speaker 8: I took a sketch. I took sketch with him. He's
Speaker 8: a funny character.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you for taking the time
Speaker 1: to talk to us. I think that's all we really
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: have any if you have more school last minute like
Speaker 1: run in where you bumped into iced tea or something.
Speaker 3: No, I will say.
Speaker 7: Kelly Giddish has a very cute dog.
Speaker 3: I'm not Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yes, fan accounts that have told us about the dog
Speaker 1: because the dog is in the show all the time.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean this dog.
Speaker 8: I mean when I this dog was just like this
Speaker 8: set was its home. I don't know if I think
Speaker 8: it's a book. I'm not sure the name of the dog,
Speaker 8: but this this dog about a puppy, very big, just
Speaker 8: like was going to crafty walking around like completely unattended.
Speaker 3: So I was walking around.
Speaker 8: Like there is a dog fully on the loose, and
Speaker 8: then we sit down like you know, to do like
Speaker 8: the first rehearsal in the court room, and then like
Speaker 8: Kelly's there and then the dog just like on its own,
Speaker 8: just like comes up to her and then like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 8: it's her dog, and then it like leaves on its
Speaker 8: own and then it's just like fully you know, autonous.
Speaker 1: Wow, what a fun guess. She was really so sweet
Speaker 1: and cool and I wish you guys could have seen
Speaker 1: her in person. Gorgeous hair and person. The only thing
Speaker 1: that's confusing is the chicken soup.
Speaker 2: That's not a party food, Lee, come on, get a
Speaker 2: pizza and some savice. Now chicken cornbread is very cute.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: She was amazing. I love hearing everything. Loved this episode.
Speaker 2: Hate people taking advantage of the vulnerable communities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for our post mortem, what we learned in
Speaker 1: this episode. Hannah, you literally are producer. Hannah, you are
Speaker 1: literally going through the green card process right now. Tell
Speaker 1: me about how you have been systematically abused.
Speaker 6: No, the timing of this episode is crazy because the
Speaker 6: day we were editing this episode was the day my
Speaker 6: husband and I went in for his green card interview,
Speaker 6: and so the timing was wild. We had a lovely
Speaker 6: woman named Cecila. We passed, he got approved. What's the
Speaker 6: craziest question? Were there any crazy questions? We were prepped
Speaker 6: with four pages of questions. I know his favorite color,
Speaker 6: I know his father's occupation, I know everything about him. Now,
Speaker 6: I didn't need pretty much any of it. I came
Speaker 6: so prepared with papers. I made a fifty page document
Speaker 6: proving our relationship, with photos and captions and dates.
Speaker 1: Of where we were.
Speaker 6: We brought our phone plan, you know, if you have
Speaker 6: all the paperwork. Also, he's Canadian, like, he's not coming
Speaker 6: from a country that the United States has any questions about.
Speaker 6: We're also white. It was a very easy process for
Speaker 6: us compared to probably lots.
Speaker 1: Of other people. Yeah, he's not fleeing a persecution. He's
Speaker 1: not fleeing persecution in his homeland. Yes, but you think
Speaker 1: you'd be nicer to the persecuted, yes, but they're easier
Speaker 1: to take advantage of. Yeah, that was what we learned.
Speaker 1: That's what we learned in this episode. Oh, it's so frustrating,
Speaker 1: but Hannah, we're glad you passed. Thank you and you know,
Speaker 1: hots off to men. We got to have a green
Speaker 1: card party. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we celebrated with veggie burgers and fries and everyone's like,
Speaker 6: what are you gonna do to celebrate and we're like, sit,
Speaker 6: we're just thrilled.
Speaker 1: We don't want to do anything. We just want to live.
Speaker 1: When I'm Afrihanna was done laminating a fifty page book.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she just needs a rest. This is why
Speaker 1: she's our producer everybody, because she's detail oriented.
Speaker 2: And if you want to keep on this theme, there's
Speaker 2: a great Simpsons episode about a poo becoming a citizen.
Speaker 2: It's called much to a Poo about Nothing, and I
Speaker 2: think I think that's what that one's called. But it's
Speaker 2: him becoming a citizen and Homer being his teacher, and
Speaker 2: it's really one of my favorite episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what we learned this week was Lisa
Speaker 1: and I very much differ on whether people are allowed
Speaker 1: to order from different restaurants. I'm okay with it once
Speaker 1: in a while, but Lisa says it's a fine. It's
Speaker 1: a fine everyday occurrence. I just can't handle double delivery fees.
Speaker 4: For me, I had to. I love spending money.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like my self destructive thing, like I
Speaker 2: just love.
Speaker 1: Your in or saboteur has a credit card, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But I was gonna say I had to take like
Speaker 2: an oath and become a citizen.
Speaker 4: I had a green card when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: But I like threw in a face, like use the
Speaker 2: name you want to use, is what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: gave myself a middle name that I didn't need, and
Speaker 2: so now I have this like middle.
Speaker 1: Name on my own.
Speaker 4: It well, in Russia, it's like your.
Speaker 2: Dad's name feminized, you know, like you probably know that
Speaker 2: from literature and stuff. So it's Simonovna. But it's like,
Speaker 2: like Russia doesn't actually have middle names. It's a very
Speaker 2: American thing, I think, And so I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I will be Yida Zavieta Simyonovna, and now I have
Speaker 2: to add it everywhere.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to spell it. And it's like.
Speaker 4: I was in junior high and I.
Speaker 2: Should I was just jealous of everyone's middle names and
Speaker 2: I should have just left it off my paperwork. So
Speaker 2: if you do go do paperwork, pick the name you want.
Speaker 1: And make it short. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, if you have a dirty mattress in the back
Speaker 2: of your van, it's going to be to get out
Speaker 2: of the case.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, you're going to be found guilty.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If it's a clean mattress, maybe, but if it's a dirty,
Speaker 2: used mattress, not going to happen. Also, do not be
Speaker 2: with men that are going to be mad at you
Speaker 2: if you get sexually assaulted.
Speaker 4: That's not a man for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you're scared to tell your.
Speaker 2: Partner about something horrible happened to you because they might
Speaker 2: get mad or jealous because you got attacked or think
Speaker 2: that you're like dirty or not clean, that is fucked up.
Speaker 1: And do not be with that person if you have
Speaker 1: the option not to be. Yeah. Also, we learned that
Speaker 1: something weird is going on with the green card system
Speaker 1: because Irish people are both just coming here and then
Speaker 1: getting married, but they're gay. Like, I mean, no one
Speaker 1: was getting a green card in that situation. So I'm
Speaker 1: confused about it. But if you I know, we have
Speaker 1: an immigration attorney in our listeners, So somebody write me
Speaker 1: and tell me why two people from Ireland were both
Speaker 1: trying to get a green card from being married to
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: We definitely have Irish listeners since we were in an
Speaker 2: Irish magazine.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yes, I still have a copy of that
Speaker 1: to give you because my good friend Brita shout out
Speaker 1: to Brita in Ireland sent me seven copies of that magazine. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also Rollins, she'd be flirtin' Rollins is out there touching hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean now hopefully by now he'sa maybe
Speaker 1: you've seen the Rollins in the releasy moment. No, still not,
Speaker 1: but I think that that guy probably was watching and
Speaker 1: was like fuck, there goes my recurring like he's maybe
Speaker 1: he'll be back, but he's not going to be back
Speaker 1: as the romantic interest of Rollins.
Speaker 2: Also, I say this often, but everything counts. So every groper,
Speaker 2: everything is fucked up, and you need to punt like
Speaker 2: they need to be persecuted. You can't just be like, oh, whatever,
Speaker 2: he just touched me. No.
Speaker 1: Yes, if you feel safe enough and somebody grubs up
Speaker 1: on you on the subway or a crowded bus or something,
Speaker 1: and you feel like you're safe. They don't. They don't
Speaker 1: have a weapon, and like there's a lot of people around.
Speaker 1: Make a scene. Make a scene. Scream at that motherfucker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: make them embarrassed. I've had several denim cocks shoved up
Speaker 1: against my back and I wish I had said more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, say more if you can, and if there's people
Speaker 2: around you, and if you see something true, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, if you see something, say something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: New York real MTA really killed it with that one
Speaker 2: that took over. They came up with that right, or
Speaker 2: maybe it was nine I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, Bubbly a firm or something. They probably hired
Speaker 1: some I don't know. It's like about bombs, but I
Speaker 1: think it covers a lot of things. You know. I
Speaker 1: did major in advertising for a semester. So well, I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that well. I mean when you
Speaker 1: came up with the name for our live show that
Speaker 1: game was like Marishka makes me hard and gay or
Speaker 1: something like that. I was impressed with myself. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was impressed too. I thought maybe you found it on
Speaker 1: the internet.
Speaker 2: No, no, that was in my brain. I'm not a plagiarizer.
Speaker 1: Somebody a message just to saying that would be a
Speaker 1: good drag name Mariska Harden Gay.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it would. You need to find a
Speaker 2: baby drag queen and give her a name.
Speaker 6: Guys, there's a cool New York Times article about who
Speaker 6: invented see Something, Say Something. It's a man, Allan Ka
Speaker 6: who invented it September, set it for September twelfth, two
Speaker 6: thousand and one, and then the MTA started using it.
Speaker 1: But there's an article in the New York Times all
Speaker 1: about the history of it.
Speaker 4: Oh well wait, so literally the day after nine to.
Speaker 6: Eleven, day after he said it, and then it was
Speaker 6: picked up and used.
Speaker 1: Yeah, send me the link, we'll post it in our stories.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he had a slogan the day after
Speaker 2: nine eleven. Wasn't even grieving that hard. I mean, to
Speaker 2: come to be creative the next day at work, that's
Speaker 2: pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be pumping out hashtag content. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's also like I understand, like if someone leaves
Speaker 2: a purse or a luggage and you're like, Okay, that's weird,
Speaker 2: what's in there? But it's like fresh from nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: It's like we saw the plane, you know, like you
Speaker 2: can't blame citizens for that.
Speaker 1: Like, right, I think I'm seeing a plane crash into
Speaker 1: a building. Who do I tell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not really how it. Yeah, listen nine to
Speaker 2: eleven sucked. Yeah, and see something say something became Hey
Speaker 2: there's a brown person and I feel safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it became the next door app. Yeah, verse, there's
Speaker 1: a package. I mean the next door app. Oh god,
Speaker 1: the next door app is wild. I cannot wait for it. Well,
Speaker 1: I will say for the July will have just happened
Speaker 1: when you guys hear this episode, and my next door
Speaker 1: app will be flooded with people being like my dog,
Speaker 1: please don't let off fireworks. And it's like you gotta
Speaker 1: take your dog and get out of town because there.
Speaker 2: Are you gentrify a neighborhood. You follow that neighborhood's rules. Okay,
Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. My neighborhood is pro fireworks. I've been
Speaker 2: trying to get Rosie prepped. I'm like fireworks like in
Speaker 2: Daniel Tiger. She keeps calling it of July. I don't
Speaker 2: think she hears me saying fourth, so she keeps being
Speaker 2: like of July of July, there was funny roy Wood
Speaker 2: Junior's son is very very cute, and he posts to
Speaker 2: videos like days after fourth of July, I'm going to
Speaker 2: the window being like boom boom, and he's like, it's done,
Speaker 2: it's done, there's no more and he wanted more fireworks.
Speaker 4: Yes, someone would saying yes, sure, or was it with
Speaker 4: your friends?
Speaker 1: Actually?
Speaker 2: But on the next door app that someone was like,
Speaker 2: I saw a brown person and they were suspicious, why
Speaker 2: are they parked at the end of my block? And
Speaker 2: it was the landscaper doing work and had been working
Speaker 2: there forever and she had to apologize officially on the
Speaker 2: app and everything.
Speaker 4: Because it's like, yeah, but are you going to change
Speaker 4: your ways now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Nextdoor is so racist, it's terrible. But there is
Speaker 1: a funny Twitter account called the Best of Nextdoor, so
Speaker 1: please follow that because they have some very choice, hilarious
Speaker 1: things that people write, because people write to each other
Speaker 1: and then they'll write racist shit and bad shit, and
Speaker 1: then people will be like fuck right off ed, like
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of fighting on it, and it's really funny.
Speaker 2: Oh God, tell us how we can help the community care.
Speaker 1: We need help let's talk about helping our community. You
Speaker 1: can help your community by complaining about firework.
Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, without immigrants, you'd all be eating at fucking
Speaker 2: Applebee's and doing nothing. Okay, you think you guys would
Speaker 2: be winning any gold medals in ice skating?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, no, go fuck yourselves whenever I think about like,
Speaker 2: the people that hate him are like our race and
Speaker 2: hate different cultures, and like, for what what do you want?
Speaker 2: What does your town have to offer without an immigrant?
Speaker 2: You don't want FU in your neighborhood. I don't get it.
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