WEBVTT - Failure is the Best with Kelsea Ballerini 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:05.000 Okay, Hi Catherine, Oh, hello Chelsea, Hello our listeners. I 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:10.360 am currently in Maths Vinyad with my family Vaca, and 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.520 we have cousins coming. We have I just got here, 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.040 so I'm solo and my family arrives and starts to 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.760 ruin everything probably in four to six days. And I 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:25.720 have my show coming up at the East Hampton club 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.040 House August twenty six, so that's right around the corner. 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:29.760 If you haven't got tickets and you're in East Tampton, 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.960 get them. It's an intimate show and there are still 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.320 tickets left, so I'm not really sure what that's about. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.520 But anyway, my family is coming and we added some people. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.879 I always like to add randoms into the mix on 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.879 family vacations because my family's always like that's kimming. It's 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.159 like none of your fucking business. So yeah, so we 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.440 but my cousins are coming this year. And my aunt Gabby, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.640 who's my queen bitch in our family. She's the one 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.280 who created the bitches in our family. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.200 We blame her her. Yeah, she's very antisocial. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:01.600 And yet she wants to be with everybody. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:03.240 Yeah, she likes to be there, but she doesn't want 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.000 to be in the mix. She wants everybody around her, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.080 just like my mom did. My mom would go upstairs 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:08.759 and bring a liverwort sandwich. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.040 It's like so gross. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:11.680 I wouldn't even go into her bedroom when she had 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.080 one of those until it was consumed, and she would 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.399 just keep her door open, and my mom would just 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.120 sit there and listen to us. She's like, the best 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.160 joy in my life is to listen to my family. 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.039 I'm like, but not be interacting with any of us. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.600 My dad is a little bit like your aunt where 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.120 he at family gatherings, like he loves to be there, 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.080 but he wants to like sit quietly in the corner 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.920 by himself and to sort of like watch everybody. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.520 Which is you know, just sort of weird dad move. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.200 But now my sister's husband, who is friends with my dad, 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:39.760 he's kind of the same way, so they just like 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.559 sit quietly in the corner, and like, sometimes I'm. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.119 Not interested in being quiet, like you know, if you're 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.880 I am, like, I like to be quiet, but in solitude. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.720 But like when you're in a family gathering, we have 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.960 too many people in our family that don't fucking talk 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.280 and they're not really yeah, yeah, my sister's husband barely talks. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:55.680 Ever. 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.440 My sister's son is very shy, but he's warming up 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.960 at the tender age of ten or twelve or thirteen. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.440 I'm not really sure how old he is. I have 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.640 too many nieces and nephews to keep track, but he's 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.639 not ten. But yeah, we have there's a lot of quiet, 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.000 and I'm like, we need action, you know, we need 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.880 action within the family, Chelsea. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:19.400 I stumbled upon an architectural Digestive video of one of 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.440 your home tours, like your old house, and you're like, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.440 really into design an architecture. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.840 I'm into it. I like what I like? 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.280 Yeah, I mean I like, yes, I'm into it, but 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.200 I'm not like somebody you know, who's going. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:34.600 To be designing their own furniture. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.040 Although I did design my new house in a way, yeah, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.800 I'm into design. I like very specific vibe when I 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.720 go somewhere and when I live somewhere. So yes, I'm 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.040 into soft contemporary, like I like modern. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.360 I do not like traditional. That's not my vibe. 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.520 Although my new house is kind of traditional. It is traditional, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.160 but we modernized it. So it's like it was white 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.120 and we painted it all black. My designer kept trying 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.400 to take me back down traditional fixtures, and I'm like, 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.480 that's just not the way that I like things I 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:04.960 don't like. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:09.120 How do I say, like, how can I describe boring? 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.920 No, it's not boring because it's really nicely done in 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:12.880 certain people's homes. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.080 It's just not my style. Like, I don't want it 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:16.000 to feel family. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.200 I want it to feel a bachelorette pad, you know 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:19.639 what I mean. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.400 Like, I don't want it to feel like. 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.080 Okay, everybody gather around the dinner table. It's like, I 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.960 don't sit at the fucking dinner table, you know. So 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.920 that's not in the main feature in my house, the 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.040 dining room. And I like it casual, but you know, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:31.840 nice stuff. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.400 Yeah, And it seems like you like communal in a 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.000 way of you like to entertain and I like openness. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.560 I like everything to be open. I like lots of glass. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.760 I like a lot of black borders, you know, like 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.360 the stain the chrome, the stainless steel glass borders, glass 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.560 windows that have the black trim. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.880 I love that, yes, but I need it to be sexy. Yeah. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:52.200 Do you think it's going to be done by the 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.320 time you come back when I'm homeless now? 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.040 So I mean I'm just basically, I'm like on the lamb. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.760 I haven't had a home yet. It's supposed to be 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.160 done in September. I'll be in my Raca for the 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.640 month of September. After this, I go to Myorca after 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.320 my show in the Hamptons, and then I come back 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:09.880 and I do on my fall dates. So if you 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.200 haven't gotten tickets to shows in Columbus or Cincinnati or 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.560 New York or d C or any of these fun 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.000 places that I'm going get them. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.800 And I'm really looking forward to getting back on tour. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.640 It's so nice to do my stand up for three 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.600 months and then take a three month break and go 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.279 back to it. It's the best way to do stand 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.680 up so that you never for me, so I don't 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:30.440 get sick. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:31.040 Of my own material. 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:32.760 Yeah, I mean, I can imagine you could burn out 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.960 because you're so busy and it's like so draining to 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:37.320 be traveling all the time at least. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.599 Yeah, but now I'm on vacation. I've been on vacation 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.680 for so long. My life has been so luscious. I'm 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.279 so grateful. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:43.080 Awesome. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.159 Okay, So our guest today is a personal friend of mine. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.800 I love and adore this girl. I shouldn't say girl. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.120 She's a woman, but to me, she's a girl because 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.640 I'm so much older than her. She's a Grammy nominee 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:59.160 and as CMA Award winning Pop Country Artist, and an 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.360 extended version of her new album Rolling Up the Welcome 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.400 Matt came out this week. Please welcome Kelsey Ballerini. Oh 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:12.880 oh oh, there's my chequita banana, chaquita banana. Hi friend, 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:17.120 Oh my god, welcome home from that vacation. 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.640 Thank you, it was a nice little break. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.160 Tell us about your vacation with Kenny Chesney. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.000 If you didn't have your new boyfriend there, I would 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.680 have thought you and Kenny had become a couple. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.760 FYI, that was a hot take. 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.400 For a minute. That was not true. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.120 Kenny's He's become my brother, which sounds insane, but I'm 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.679 from Knoxville. He's from Knoxville, and I grew up listening 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.839 to him. So I had a song about my hometown 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.839 a couple of years ago, called half of My Hometown, 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.200 and I just like out of the blue Caldon. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:47.720 I was like, will you be on the song? 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:52.160 He said yes, And just through that we became really 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.159 good friends and then I toured with him this last 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.760 summer and we just became family. And so he took 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.359 me to his house, which house. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:02.120 Isn't even the right word. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.360 It's just like he owns like a full mountain range. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.000 Mountain is wild. This is Captain. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.320 By the way, my co host, so Kelsey and I 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.159 became friends because our name's Rhyme, and that was what 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.279 brought us together. Off the topic, I wanted to ask 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.440 you something about the country music industry because every time 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.240 I go to Nashville, I actually performed in your hometown 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.160 recently Knoxville, and it was the most fun ever. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.200 I mean, all the cities in Tennessee, I had the 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.159 best time. I went to Dollywood, I performed at Graceland. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.359 I was like, oh my god, I was getting the 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.520 full Tennessee treatment. I was like, oh my god, if 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.119 I go to Tennessee and come out of this alive, 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.080 it'll be a miracle. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.159 And then I did and they were the best audiences. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.320 Like I just every time I go to a community 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:43.839 or a part of the country that I think is 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.440 going to be like, you know, resistant I end up 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:47.440 having the best shows. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:48.839 That makes me so happy. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.479 Yes, Well, so I guess my question is, so every 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.799 time I go to Nashville, which is you know, usually 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.080 I warm up my tour there. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.320 I always go to Zanies Nashville. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.440 And the music community just shows up and droves to 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.960 my shows. And it's so sweet because I don't know 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:05.880 all of these people, but I know some of them, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.080 and I want to know, Like, I know you have 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.400 a lot of friendships within the music community, but if 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:15.400 it feels like a much more supportive community, then, say, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.360 Hollywood and actors and actresses, what do you think about 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.000 the support that you get from other country stars? Would 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.200 you say that that's kind of the attitude across the 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:25.800 board or what. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.800 Yeah, there's a lot of camaraderie. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.600 I mean, I feel like the last few years, just 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.480 like every other part of pop culture, there's definitely been 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.920 more division. People kind of pick teams and sides on things, 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.200 and you've seen that in. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:39.000 Country for sure. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.640 But yeah, I mean, like I look back, I've put 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.480 out my first thing, Old Radio nine years ago, and 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.040 kind of the biggest turning points of my career have 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.400 been mostly the women, some men, mostly the women that 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.120 I grew up on turning around and either reaching out 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.960 their hand and being like, hey, come share my stage 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.520 with me, or calling me out of the blue and 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.400 being like, what do you need, how are you steeling? 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.560 Let me give you advice, And that to me is 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.480 the most telling part of the country music that I 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.760 grew up on. That I was like, I stars in 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.640 my eyes. I want to be part of that. It 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.040 was the warmth in the community that I felt when 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.160 I was listening on the radio, and that has translated 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.440 to me. I mean there's still like competitive energy. 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.080 I think there has to be listen to be successful, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:24.160 you have to be competitive. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.559 That's just the way it is. And it's really nothing 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.840 actually to be ashamed about. It's actually part of the motivation. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.720 It's when you're jealous or envious and you let that 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.000 come out more so than being just healthy competition. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've had to learn that too, just 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.600 especially as a woman in entertainment, especially country music. There's 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:49.640 such a deficit of space, I guess for us historically, 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.440 and so yeah, I've really had to retrain my brain 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.440 to go, am I feeling competitive with myself or in 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.760 a healthy manner with kind of where I'm matt in 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.800 my career and in the game, Or am I feeling 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.840 jealous because you know, historically there's only been three spots, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.199 and there's thirty of us and we all deserve it. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.640 So like I'm having to like undo a lot of 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.920 the things that I've sent in the last ten years 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.280 feeling really. 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.640 Yeah, but it's also something to remember that it is 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.120 like a human It's a totally natural human emotion. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:23.920 It's what you do with it. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:24.320 You know. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.600 You can use it as a motivator, or you can 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.040 use it as a divider. And it's like, oh, the 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.120 people that learn that quick more quickly, you're better off 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.800 because you can get consumed by another person's success if 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:36.840 you're not where you want to be. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.880 For sure, I had seasons of that too, but I 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.840 don't know, I feel like I've just recalibrated in my 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.000 life the last three years really, and I feel like 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:47.680 I got to kind of shed that skin because I 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.199 still I've pent a lot of that on my youth, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.000 and I feel like the last few years I shed 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:52.400 that skin. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:53.199 Yeah. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:54.959 The last time we saw each other in person, you 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.280 and I were both broken up with our significant others, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.200 but we didn't tell each other because coming on we 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.520 were both You're like, how's Joe, And I was like great, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.520 Meanwhile we were broken up because I was hosting guests, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.920 hosting Jimmy kimble This was almost a year ago, and 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:08.920 Kelsey was on and I was like, how's yours and 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.880 she was like great, and we both were just like 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.480 we just couldn't even tell each other because it wasn't 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.600 public on my end and it wasn't public. 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:15.920 On her end. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.360 And now we're a year out and you're in a 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.319 new relationship with your adorable boyfriend Chase, and you seem 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.040 happy as a pig and shit, So I want to 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.240 say I'm happy for you, and I want to ask you, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.000 what is it about this relationship that is making you 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:32.480 so abuliant? 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.640 Oh my gosh, Well, I was wondering if you were 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.480 going to bring that up, because we haven't talked about it, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.080 but I think about that often because like I would 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.120 consider as friends, like we've offline, we've hung out, you 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.679 and I, And it was so funny to me that 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.679 we both went into our public personas. 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.160 To give it context. We weren't hanging out alone. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.200 I had Kelsey on as a guest on Jimmy Kimmel, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.000 and yes, Joe and I literally had broken up like 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:02.720 the night before I started guest. So I wasn't telling 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.000 anyone really except because I was like, I was just 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.079 still just trying to focus on the job at hand, 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.600 and you and we were backstage, and it was a moment. 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.720 If you and I had been to dinner or something, 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.079 we I'm sure we would have been a little bit 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.840 more honest, but yeah, we went into pure Hollywood bode. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.560 I don't want my thing that week was I didn't 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.080 want anyone at on staff to know that I had 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.679 broken up with Joe because I didn't want them to 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:28.840 feel like I needed special It's. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:29.360 You know what I mean. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.000 I didn't want I just I work best when I'm 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.520 under pressure and I have to hide something. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:38.720 Both. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.000 Yeah, I you know, to be honest with you, I 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.760 don't even think I think I was still kind of 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.120 in my turmoil, like I hadn't even gotten to the 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.160 place of like hitting the breaking point yet, but I'd say, yeah, 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.000 my life's a lot different than last. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.480 Time we hung and thank god. I just feel. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.160 Like making that decision for my life was really daunting 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.160 and scared for a lot of reasons. My parents got 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.959 divorced when I was twelve, and I'm an only child, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.080 and navigating that was traumatic, and then also like growing 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.000 up in the South, growing up super religious, all these things, 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.520 being in a relationship with another public person in my industry, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.560 like all these things were telling me like just figure 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:18.240 it out, stay. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:19.040 Where you're at. 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.400 But everything in my heart and soul and body was 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:22.520 like this isn't it. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.440 You know, Yeah, good for you for following through on 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:26.080 what you need. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.200 I mean, and you're very young to be able to 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.040 even make that, especially being in the spotlight, Like it 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.319 adds a whole dimension of pressure. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.000 I mean, you and I have spoken about it. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.280 And I'm like, just you know, I'm always telling her 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.960 now that I'm older, like be yourself, Like you're only 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.720 going to get rewarded for being yourself. I was saying 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.719 this to Drew Barry more recently because I don't know 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.240 if you saw her New York magazine cover, but like she's, 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.040 you know, the talk show. She's finally being rewarded after 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.640 probably so many notes and so many people telling her 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.920 how to do it, how to behave, how to be 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.240 less of herself on TV, and guess what, the only 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.720 thing that works is to be yourself. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.600 Drew does want to sit on your lap and touch 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.080 your eyeballs. That's who she is. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.760 And so now the fact that the whole world gets 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.280 to see her shine because of her effervescence and because 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.560 of truly like her personality is so much more meaningful 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.959 than succeeding in somebody else's shoes that you're pretending are 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:19.440 your own. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.640 Yeah, yeah, it's the I kept going back to the 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.080 quote the right thing and the hard thing, or usually 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.960 the same thing. And so when you honor yourself and 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.880 you do the hard thing, that is the right thing. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:31.800 I mean, my God, I. 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.320 Could tell you a million stories just in the last 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.480 eight nine months of just life, God, in the universe, 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:42.080 whatever you believe in rewarding me and making it very obvious, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.600 and it's just been great and I'm super happy. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.160 I love that. I love that. Can you share one 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:48.800 of those stories with us? Oh? 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.760 God, yeah, this is my favorite. So I lived a 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.600 couple of years ago in Covidhead. I was downtown in 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.160 this area of Nashville called the Gulch. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.439 It's like right between Music Grow and Broadway. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.679 And it was nice because I was throwing all the time, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.560 My ex was throwing all the time, and. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.320 It was easy to just shut the door and leave it. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.240 But then COVID happened and it. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.800 Was like a ghost town and felt apocalyptic and I 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.600 have a dog. I was like, it's time for some 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.840 green a need dr so started looking for a house. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.920 And I'm such a gut girl. I will follow my 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.600 gut into the depths of the universe. I don't care 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:23.120 if I'm wrong. I just I believe in trusting it. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.640 And I found this house and before I walked from 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:26.920 the door, I was like, this is the house. This 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.160 is the house, and long story very short, didn't get 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.400 the house, bought a house point nine miles down the road, 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.720 and another artist who was going through a big life 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:38.920 change bought the house. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.800 So in fast forward two years. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.400 I been having you know, I'm going through divorce and 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.480 I just could texted this artist and I was like, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:49.960 I don't know if you ever knew it was me 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.000 bitting against you, but it was. And I've always loved 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.800 this place. If you ever thought about selling it, would 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.200 you let me? Now? Two weeks later, I found my 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.360 dream home. Are you serious about the house? And long 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.280 story short, it's my house now? 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.600 Oh oh ah? I love that. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.600 Yeah, it was just like it wasn't meant to be mine. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.400 Then it was meant to be mine now in like 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.520 this new chapter. So just like stuff like that over 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:13.200 and over again. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.600 Yeah, it's always interesting when you like look at timing 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.800 of things, right it doesn't work out the way you 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.720 want it to, or what's that saying? Like God doesn't 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:22.600 come when you want him to, but he comes just 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.040 in time. I mean, I don't really subscribe to the God, 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.880 but I understand that. It's like the universes does have 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.080 your back, Like things are working in your favor the 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:34.000 way in ways that are unseen and that will never understand. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.000 You just have to trust it, like you have to 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.840 trust in it right, which is a big leap sometimes. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.000 And I know that this, your most recent album, is 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.960 a testament to that because I know you've had like 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.560 experiences where you've been kind of directed about what kind 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.720 of music you should be putting out versus exactly authentically 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.640 what you want to say, and your breakup and everything 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.160 that's happened in your life led you to want to say, Okay, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:57.960 this is what I want to put out, And now 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.640 you're being celebrated for your music for that very reason 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:01.120 as well. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.480 Yeah, it's the same thing you were just talking about 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.360 with Drew. You know, I've always tried to be a 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.840 commercial country artist, but I also like, I grew up 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.040 on a farm in East Tennessee, but my first concert 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.400 was Britney Spears, and so I'm like, well, how do 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.520 I do this? Because I want to write music that 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.200 feels good to me and I think it's country, some 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.080 people don't, whatever, But I always wanted to fit in 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.359 a lane which is a country artist. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:25.440 And I do. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.760 I always will ding my heels in here, but I 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.600 would write with people that would kind of keep me 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:32.720 in the lines, you know, and that kind of stuff. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.800 And then this last project rolling up. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.920 To welcome Matt, it had nothing to do. It doesn't 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.640 even count on my record deal, it doesn't count towards 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.160 my label. It was truly just a me project for therapy, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.200 and it's been the most successful thing I've ever put out, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:51.080 and so it's caused me to recalibrate in such a 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.600 major way of like my artistry, the way I share 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.600 what I want to share with the world, all of it. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.720 I'm like, oh, man, I need to care less about 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.840 what it sounds like, if it rhymes correctly, all the 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.280 things that I've told myself that make the craft good 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.720 and just write the truth more. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.560