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Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke back. We got a
Speaker 1: good one today. You're ready, Yeah, I'm ready. Come on, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we want to welcome to the show. One of the
Speaker 1: busiest man's in Hollywood. Black man man right, writer, producer, director, actor, creator,
Speaker 1: the one and only Kenya Bears. Appreciate you, man, Thank
Speaker 1: you for your time. Bro, Appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 1: Man. What's new? How's life right now?
Speaker 2: It's crazy? We are I'm running. I started going back
Speaker 2: to TV. I'm running up the Richard Pryor doing a
Speaker 2: show by Richard Pryor's life. Okay, and we're in a
Speaker 2: room show, movie, a show. Oh really, it's greater the grave.
Speaker 2: Just I mean, his life is so crazy. You could
Speaker 2: have one. You could take it to a whole show
Speaker 2: just on him growing up in a whole house. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Just that, But it's like it
Speaker 2: goes his whole life and he's one of my heroes
Speaker 2: or anti hero whatever you want to say. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He made it and did it his way.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing that. And it's a writer's strike that
Speaker 2: everybody's worried about the next couple of weeks, so kind
Speaker 2: of trying to get bank as many scripts as we
Speaker 2: can on that. Me and Snoop just we saw the
Speaker 2: script testing test screen of his movie just came out.
Speaker 2: He killed it. It's called Underdogs. It's about uh, it's
Speaker 2: like bad News Bearers but Pop Warner football and he
Speaker 2: plays though, yeah, he plays a co coach Mike Epps
Speaker 2: and some badass kids, and Snoop kills it. Like you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Snoop is just naturally funny. White
Speaker 2: Man Can Jump is coming out, should be on a
Speaker 2: month or so. So we're kind of doing press for
Speaker 2: that and Rich Paul I'm doing that the next movie.
Speaker 2: I'm set up to directors doing Rich Paul's. I wrote
Speaker 2: Rich Paul's like biography kind of like his thing, doing
Speaker 2: that for Netflix. And I'm doing something on Famous Amous,
Speaker 2: like which is people don't think it's a crazy story
Speaker 2: of this dude. Whilely Amos who created Famous Amus like
Speaker 2: created like an empire and you don't know, but he
Speaker 2: created the gourmet cookie, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: like was like black man first black he was the
Speaker 2: first black agent. And William Morris signed, Marvin Gaye signed
Speaker 2: Simon and Garfunkle. Marvin gay gave him the money to
Speaker 2: start Famous Amous. He was driving around and drop top
Speaker 2: bens fucking he was. He was doing this thing, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, And like Gormet Cookies didn't exist
Speaker 2: before that. It was oreos, you know, chips or why
Speaker 2: he created that, and like it's a billionaire empire and
Speaker 2: it's just an example of like financial literacy. We weren't.
Speaker 2: He wasn't prepared for what came up. And like just
Speaker 2: seeing that story is kind of like a Cohen Brothers,
Speaker 2: David or Russell type of So that's kind of just
Speaker 2: you know what's going on. And then we're we have
Speaker 2: the Truman Show, but we did it as a series.
Speaker 2: Damnseon Interests is playing Jamal Truman. It's like the version
Speaker 2: of like, you know how you see all the you know,
Speaker 2: cop shootings and all the fucked up ship that happens
Speaker 2: to us on TV. That's the Truman Show, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And then it's white people were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, could you imagine if that's what's real life?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So it's kind of like
Speaker 2: telling it from that story and rearranging and going to whatever.
Speaker 2: So we were doing that with a damn anyway. It's
Speaker 2: that's that's.
Speaker 1: The so is it? I mean, obviously, I know you
Speaker 1: have a lot of different has to do adult What
Speaker 1: do you enjoy one more than other? Writing, directing, producing
Speaker 1: all of it?
Speaker 2: I mean writing, writing your favorite, I think, I think
Speaker 2: because that's where it's you know, you got to create
Speaker 2: the stories, you know what I'm saying. I like editing too,
Speaker 2: because I feel like y'all know, like what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: what comes out in the edit, you can take some
Speaker 2: you can shine shit, you know what I'm saying. Something
Speaker 2: that might not be something, you can make it become
Speaker 2: something an edit. And I feel like that's the painting part,
Speaker 2: you know I'm saying. So I think those two parts
Speaker 2: of it. But I feel like, you know, the biggest
Speaker 2: part is like more and more we're getting a chance
Speaker 2: to work with people who look like us, and that
Speaker 2: never has been like that before.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you've been tagged with to me, which
Speaker 1: is not a tough spot but obviously an honorable spot
Speaker 1: of it. You know, you're doing remakes and legends from
Speaker 1: our culture and remakes of legendary movies. Do you feel
Speaker 1: the pressure is it more of an honor? Like how
Speaker 1: do you look at you got a heavy, big plate
Speaker 1: with a lot of responsibility on it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's it's I'm trying to like do more.
Speaker 2: You know, if I do a remake, I wanted to
Speaker 2: be big, Like I'm doing Wizard of Oz you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And I'm doing that for us, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like she's in the hood.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's a girl in the hood,
Speaker 2: and you know she falls, She's in Anglewood, she falls
Speaker 2: in the underhood, and tell her from that side, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, kind of like trying to to
Speaker 2: tell that Wizard of Ours back in the day was
Speaker 2: about turning the mirror. It was the Great Depression and
Speaker 2: he turned the mirror around and like what so I
Speaker 2: want to turn the mirror around on like with society
Speaker 2: is like so if I do it, I wanted to
Speaker 2: be big. We're doing It's a wonderful life. We're hopefully
Speaker 2: you know, Jamie Fox doing with this. But that was
Speaker 2: like one of the biggest Christmas movies ever. So if
Speaker 2: I do make I wanted to be big and I
Speaker 2: wanted to say something. I feel like the thing I'm
Speaker 2: really trying to get now onto more is like telling
Speaker 2: original stories. I did This is the movie you People
Speaker 2: with Jonah and Eddie, and it was like, you know, people,
Speaker 2: you know, I got a lot of pushback, but then
Speaker 2: it blew up in terms of the people number of
Speaker 2: people watched it. I think it's like, you know, anyway,
Speaker 2: it blew up, you know what I'm saying, And I
Speaker 2: feel like it they didn't believe in it, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And I think, but we show up
Speaker 2: for each other. And I think that's what you saw
Speaker 2: with you know, Wakanda. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: Ryan's one of my heroes. You know how He's stuck
Speaker 2: to make it that movie about us? Know true what
Speaker 2: they were calling a list stars. Didn't use none of
Speaker 2: the Marvel, iron Man X, you know for Cat of America,
Speaker 2: which they wanted him to because it was like, if
Speaker 2: I put that in there, then you'll say that's what
Speaker 2: that's what movie was. And he took that and he
Speaker 2: blew it up and it's one of the most successful.
Speaker 2: It threw away the notion that they say our movies
Speaker 2: don't travel. You know what I'm saying, I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, saying this movie that we did with black people,
Speaker 2: it blew up and so just like you know, we
Speaker 2: now have a chance of all the shit they've told
Speaker 2: us before, like you know, taking control, like y'all own
Speaker 2: like this is y'all shit, And I feel like that's
Speaker 2: we haven't had that opportunity now. So I think we
Speaker 2: got that moment, but I think we got to be
Speaker 2: more responsible with it.
Speaker 1: But you're definitely one of the main people pushing that
Speaker 1: though too. So I was about to say that does
Speaker 1: that come with a sense of responsibility because you are
Speaker 1: kind of setting the tone as to what you know
Speaker 1: now what we're able to tell, but how we're able
Speaker 1: to tell it as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it does. I think it
Speaker 2: also comes with you know, y'all been in this position where,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, when you get certain certain
Speaker 2: blessings and certain chances, people expect more of you and
Speaker 2: you still just didn't get just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Guy got kids, I got
Speaker 2: divorces and this and that. What I'm saying, I still
Speaker 2: got my ship, and so I'm trying to like manage life,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, but at the same time
Speaker 2: still do my job. Well you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I definitely feel like I feel
Speaker 2: a sense of responsibility. The hard part about it is
Speaker 2: is so few of us. If I tell a story,
Speaker 2: my version of telling the story, it may not be
Speaker 2: your version, may not be your But but I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to sort of like beat everybody speak to everybody.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, And that's not that's not you.
Speaker 1: I'm realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I can tell it my way, but that's not the way.
Speaker 2: That's one way. And I think there needs to be
Speaker 2: more of us. So like it's not you know, like
Speaker 2: you know, the I get a lot of the light
Speaker 2: skin ship, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: my you know, my kids mom is mixed. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I made a show about my family,
Speaker 2: my kids mom is mixed. My kids look like I'm
Speaker 2: not super so my I made the people look like
Speaker 2: my you know, mindfunctioning. And it was you don't like
Speaker 2: light skinned people. And I'm like, what I'm saying, like
Speaker 2: you know, and I feel like, you know, when it
Speaker 2: comes to like for me for black shit, like I
Speaker 2: said a joke, but I'm like, I want to like
Speaker 2: this sewer verses like everything in my career has ever
Speaker 2: I've ever done has been for us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I've never done nothing that's not for us what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But I feel like people will launch into one thing,
Speaker 2: and you know, the biggest thing is when and y'all
Speaker 2: know when you when Twitter and shit, it's hard not
Speaker 2: to respond, you know what I'm saying. It's hard not
Speaker 2: to respond. I'm saying something I've made the mistake of
Speaker 2: saying shit. Sometime I clap back. Sometimes I'll say some
Speaker 2: funny shit, but I know you're not supposed to. But
Speaker 2: sometimes when you put my kids and shit in.
Speaker 1: Okay, so well let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: Okay, who says you're not supposed to?
Speaker 1: Who are over there? Okay?
Speaker 3: Well, I ain't got nobody does matter to me.
Speaker 4: No, ain't nobody tell me how I should feel about something.
Speaker 2: And I think that that more so is coming out.
Speaker 2: I'm saying in a way that we were taking more
Speaker 2: control of our narrative. You know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 2: think we got to be careful. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I feel like the same way can help us. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I look at Kanye and I
Speaker 2: feel like, if that nigga didn't have social media, he
Speaker 2: still be a billionaire, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: like you know, the idea of you know, we got
Speaker 2: to be careful. But I do feel like for me,
Speaker 2: like I told her, I wanted to do I wanted
Speaker 2: to literally do a blog called I Got Time Today,
Speaker 2: and I want to just literally I wanted to literally
Speaker 2: take all the take any any reviewer. And I wanted
Speaker 2: to get into their life. I wanted to get on
Speaker 2: their social media. I want to go over there.
Speaker 1: It won't take long. If half of them they got
Speaker 1: nothing going.
Speaker 2: On, nothing going on, They living in some studio apartnent
Speaker 2: with a fucking hot pot with a room, and they,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, they mad because they don't
Speaker 2: want to see us have something to say or so.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a delicate balance, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I feel like the more success you have,
Speaker 2: the less you really can You're supposed to like sort
Speaker 2: of open up. But the more I want to because
Speaker 2: the more I'm like fun, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: if you cancel me now, I'll be okay what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: but you know, I don't want to just start trouble.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I feel like bringing my
Speaker 2: kids and my family into it. That's that's when it changes.
Speaker 4: But a lot of people don't know that you don't
Speaker 4: have to demean other races to be black and proud.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: That's why I think I'm mastered. That's why I get
Speaker 1: along with everybody.
Speaker 4: Like when you see me, I come off as a
Speaker 4: black and proud man, and I stand on that. But
Speaker 4: Doug Black, but everybody know, I stand on love for
Speaker 4: all who have loved fall. When people understand it's a
Speaker 4: way to be strong and be proud of who you
Speaker 4: are without demeaning the next race, we can move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you give respect, you get respect, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I feel like, but that's not always.
Speaker 1: The case, especially in Hollywood in particular. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like you've been able to it seems like
Speaker 1: where you speak of now, is it coming from our people?
Speaker 1: Or people that look like us.
Speaker 2: For the most part, a lot of it Twitter is
Speaker 2: I personally feel like you should have to register for Twitter.
Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is you get people
Speaker 2: get real digitally brave.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Well, you can just say something conously and it'd be
Speaker 2: twenty people who sound like twenty thousand you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and I feel like, you know you're saying something.
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody don't get the mic, everybody don't
Speaker 2: get a chance to sing. I'm not you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And I feel like you now have this
Speaker 2: this situation where people feel like everybody's opinion counts. Everybody's
Speaker 2: opinion don't count, so everybody didn't put it in the work.
Speaker 2: Everybody's not fucking you know, given the same talents and opportunities.
Speaker 1: At least qualified of the loudest too, Yeah, the least
Speaker 1: qualified of the loudest. Upbringing Inglewood, how did that raise
Speaker 1: you as a person or excuse.
Speaker 2: Me it was it was prequimed than Inglewood. I feel
Speaker 2: like it taught me everything. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was crazy because when you grow up in those situations,
Speaker 2: you don't know you're broke because everybody's broken. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That's the beauty of it. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It is like I always tell the story.
Speaker 2: You know, people used to come over my house. I
Speaker 2: wanted the neighbor used to come over our house. Then
Speaker 2: I'm like, why they always got to be over? Why
Speaker 2: didn't come up? What I'm saying, I always would complain.
Speaker 2: And then one day I came home the lights you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, didn't work. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: My mom was like, we're gonna go over to Johnson
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh shit, Like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like they was coming over, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I felt like that was you know, that's
Speaker 2: the beauty of that situation. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: When you're in that community. But I feel like when
Speaker 2: I got a chance to sort of cross over and
Speaker 2: get it going to different schools, I feel like I
Speaker 2: have you have more respect, and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you understand the opportunities differently than people who've been in
Speaker 2: that situation. And I think that's my kids. I worry
Speaker 2: about my kids not getting that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because they've come up in a situation where they didn't
Speaker 2: have that struggle, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what you how do you
Speaker 1: balance that? Because I try to balance it too, because
Speaker 1: obviously we all work our asses off so our kids
Speaker 1: didn't have to come up the way they did, and
Speaker 1: particularly you and I would my twins are bi racial.
Speaker 1: My son, what shit, I'm by racial. All three of
Speaker 1: my sons are are biracial. You mean, so there's kind
Speaker 1: of that colorism thing. And then also now like my
Speaker 1: kids look behind the gate and go to private school,
Speaker 1: but I didn't, I mean we were, So how do
Speaker 1: you balance that as having your kid have an understanding
Speaker 1: of everyone is maybe this blessed or this is not?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's what's that balance and
Speaker 1: parenting for you?
Speaker 2: You know, I got six kids and oh, he sounds
Speaker 2: like Jack, it's six different people, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's proof that is nature or nurture, Like, it's that
Speaker 2: kind of your kids are gonna be who they are.
Speaker 2: You can kind of teach them some stuff, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. They can have some morals, but you know,
Speaker 2: people are who they are, but I feel like I
Speaker 2: look up and I just want to came back from
Speaker 2: college tours with my daughter and she got accepted to
Speaker 2: all these grade schools that wanted her, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I want to go to Spelman, And for me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I didn't push that. I went to black college, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But she wants that experience. She's like, yo,
Speaker 2: I didn't grown up in situations where I'm around white
Speaker 2: people my whole life. She was like, she went there
Speaker 2: and she was like, this is fucking let home to me.
Speaker 2: And she felt that you could see when she was
Speaker 2: walking around, she didn't matter if the other campuses look better.
Speaker 2: It's like she was like, I want to be around people.
Speaker 2: And so I feel like in some aspect there's something
Speaker 2: she learned and something she got. But I definitely feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, I got. You know, there's times when I'm harassed,
Speaker 2: you know, like with Yalla for Christmas and a couple
Speaker 2: people they're like nothing. I'm like nothing, the fuck are
Speaker 2: you talking about that? Like I was like, I fucked up,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like you don't want nothing?
Speaker 2: Like I feel like that is hard for me. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying and knowing like are they going
Speaker 2: to still have that hustle because that hustle is what
Speaker 2: mass is.
Speaker 1: It's a necessity. Graduated in mass media Arts in ninety
Speaker 1: six from Clark Atlanta University. What was that like going
Speaker 1: from California to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I think it was the best thing I ever did
Speaker 2: because I was getting in trouble out here, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I was starting to do dumb shit
Speaker 2: and my friends wasn't really doing shit. And when I
Speaker 2: went away, I got a chance to see, like what
Speaker 2: the rest of the country was like different when you're
Speaker 2: in La, you know what I'm saying. La is a
Speaker 2: really specific place, but when you go away and you see, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I got to meet dudes from Texas and
Speaker 2: Florida and Atlanta and New York and and it kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, we all kind of were there
Speaker 2: trying to do something better. And I think that was
Speaker 2: you know, you know, my best friend passed away is
Speaker 2: to Shakier Stewart, like we he was he was president
Speaker 2: of Deaf Jam and got to do all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And my boy Kenny Burns and job I'm saying, like
Speaker 2: I got to see like dues that I took so
Speaker 2: to this day, you know what I'm saying, are still
Speaker 2: my people. And I don't know if I would have
Speaker 2: if I stayed here, if I would either not been in.
Speaker 3: Trouble and talked to Key a couple of days ago
Speaker 3: and I lived in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's my ma, Like we's He's a hustler.
Speaker 2: He's been one since we was seventeen, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, we want to tell the story like
Speaker 2: he has the rayful Edmunds. We want to I want
Speaker 2: to get into one of the things that me and
Speaker 2: Kenny talking about, like I think the whole notion of
Speaker 2: like the Italian gangster movie like that. I think that's
Speaker 2: over right. I loved it. They had like a seventy
Speaker 2: year right. But now when you think about what you know,
Speaker 2: gangs movies are like I feel like it's black and brown,
Speaker 2: especially like why why are we Why have we been
Speaker 2: so afraid to tell our stories? And I think we're
Speaker 2: afraid to tell them. If you do one, keep me
Speaker 2: in mind, fink we're afraid to tell them because let's go.
Speaker 2: Because I feel like we're afraid to tell them because it
Speaker 2: looks like we're glorifying it, but like real talk, like
Speaker 2: like you know, uh Robert and Narrow and you know
Speaker 2: those dudes and when they were you know, doing the Godfather,
Speaker 2: those were respected businessmen who are proud members of their community,
Speaker 2: and that they did what they had to do. The
Speaker 2: dudes I grew up with, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like if they had different opportunities, I'm saying, you know
Speaker 2: how hard it is to make a million dollars on
Speaker 2: the street when the police and everybody else is trying
Speaker 2: to get you and you can turn off, you know,
Speaker 2: get a million dollars like you put you in a
Speaker 2: If they have put those dudes in a fortune five
Speaker 2: hundred company, they would have turned it into a billionaires.
Speaker 2: But that's not celebrated, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: I feel like at the same time, like I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, I love you know, a good shoot him up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think that when I go, you know, I go
Speaker 2: talk to my cousins and I talked to my boys
Speaker 2: like you'll get caught in gang talk. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: like the such and such, and I'm like, we do
Speaker 2: it this hour and a half and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, why is that not something
Speaker 2: that I can be proud of and talk about and
Speaker 2: say it's entertaining, you know what I'm saying. And if
Speaker 2: it's glorifying the moments of what he's doing, usually there's
Speaker 2: another side that you know, it's not something And I
Speaker 2: feel like, so that's me and Katy talking about that.
Speaker 2: I want to, you know, get into those stories I'm
Speaker 2: doing Michael Concepcion's life story. We're top you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I feel like, you know, I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to tell those kind of stories. I feel
Speaker 2: like they're they're ready, they're ready to be told.
Speaker 1: There's a documentary of the Freaknik documentaries coming out from
Speaker 1: Frank Williams. You know, you know you know anything about
Speaker 1: that era using Atlanta at that time. I was right
Speaker 1: there talk to us about that because I missed it.
Speaker 1: I just like, I'm looking forward to the doc if
Speaker 1: you haven't, did you see it? It's not out yet.
Speaker 2: It I mean, you s, did you ever go to
Speaker 2: freking it? I cannot explain to you really it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's like nothing. It didn't even seem real it turned
Speaker 2: out a city back to back to back cars, everybody blasting,
Speaker 2: everybody blowing, everybody trying, you know, girls doing you know,
Speaker 2: wilding out, you know what I'm saying. Like, but for
Speaker 2: three days, it's just nothing but us, Like and I
Speaker 2: it seemed like it was impossible.
Speaker 1: It seemed like this is impossible.
Speaker 2: And then they, you know, clean up the city, like
Speaker 2: and I was there when it was happening, was when
Speaker 2: it stopped, but it was. It was crazy. So I
Speaker 2: really want to know what this documentary is like. And I
Speaker 2: don't really want to know if me and JD was
Speaker 2: just talking about it like it was, you cannot explain
Speaker 2: it if you didn't see it.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like it. I'm doing a project with Frank
Speaker 1: and he was telling me like, I'm about to drop
Speaker 1: this doc It's gonna fuck everybody up. It's like a
Speaker 1: freaking I was like, oh shit, I ain't heard that
Speaker 1: word just in a long time.
Speaker 3: So there's no way they can recreate that. There's no way,
Speaker 3: no way.
Speaker 1: It's no way.
Speaker 2: And the crazy part was it wasn't a lot of
Speaker 2: like crime, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: little places, a whole bunch of yeah, but it was
Speaker 2: like it's just like when you go to the strip
Speaker 2: club and you're like, yo, this shouldn't be as cool
Speaker 2: as it is, but you get out of it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying ninety five percent of the time. Now you
Speaker 1: go back.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You go back. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It was like, you know, you give us.
Speaker 2: Everybody was trying to have fun. It was ny, was kids,
Speaker 2: but it was not fun. So I felt like, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to see it. That's dope. How
Speaker 1: did you find out, Navi, get your career path and
Speaker 1: end up what you're doing today?
Speaker 2: God, blessings, luck work, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: was a PA, you know what I'm saying. I was
Speaker 2: picking them trash and getting people, you know, picking up
Speaker 2: people's kids from from school and washing cars. And then
Speaker 2: I you know, got in a writing program. I wanted
Speaker 2: to be a director. It was too expensive to direct
Speaker 2: because you had to get a camera, you had to
Speaker 2: get you know what I'm saying. I knew what to
Speaker 2: write as a writer. I could get through it with
Speaker 2: a lot of time. And then TV writers are are
Speaker 2: king you know what I'm saying, Like they and I
Speaker 2: saw that when I was a PA, something they tell
Speaker 2: you not to do, but I read everything that came
Speaker 2: across my desk. So when a budget came, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I saw what the writers were making. I
Speaker 2: saw what they were doing. I started writing this lady
Speaker 2: Felicia Henderson, who created a soul who really kind of
Speaker 2: like took me under and helped me a lot, and
Speaker 2: I just got you know, I got lucky, and I
Speaker 2: worked really, if I'm being honest, I worked really hard,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, I saw opportunity and
Speaker 2: I went after it. Like what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 2: knew I wanted to fucking you know, have money. I
Speaker 2: knew I wanted to have a life. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I wasn't. I didn't who you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I wasn't gonna make it if I if
Speaker 2: I was in the streets. I knew that, and I
Speaker 2: knew this was a version for me to sort of
Speaker 2: have something, you know, better for myself. My wife at
Speaker 2: the time, you know, she was fine in medical school.
Speaker 2: I knew some nigga, but more than me was gonna
Speaker 2: come Scooper. If I didn't you know get so I
Speaker 2: figured I just figured my way out.
Speaker 1: As a writer.
Speaker 4: Well, and was there any challenges that you went through
Speaker 4: and as a writer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I first started writing, my name is Kenya.
Speaker 2: I didn't I changed my writing name to Kay Matthew.
Speaker 2: My middle name is Matthew K. Matthews, because I didn't
Speaker 2: want the way you get jobs as writers. You write
Speaker 2: what was called a specscript, right, and you write a
Speaker 2: script and then you show it to people and people
Speaker 2: read it and you know, if they like your writing
Speaker 2: and'll bring you in for interview. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: say Kenya because I was like, they're going to read like,
Speaker 2: you know, our scripts, you know, says fade In, you know,
Speaker 2: And I was like, they're going to read this like
Speaker 2: fade In, Like they're gonna like they're gonna put their
Speaker 2: own emphasis on how I'm supposed to sound whatever, and
Speaker 2: that was and that was stupid for me to do.
Speaker 2: But I was so turned off because they they were
Speaker 2: the time it was on upn c W. What I'm
Speaker 2: saying that we had only a few versions of what
Speaker 2: we could be do and all that shit didn't really
Speaker 2: necessarily wasn't what I wanted to do. So I was
Speaker 2: trying to like be something else, and it didn't really
Speaker 2: change until I started being like, yeah, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: be who I am, and if it works, it works,
Speaker 2: it doesn't it.
Speaker 4: You know, you wrote the show Soul Food, Girlfriends, the Game.
Speaker 4: Are we there yet? How do you look on the
Speaker 4: run of shows you're a part of?
Speaker 2: I feel like for me, like I you know, Blackish
Speaker 2: was the big break for me, of course, and I
Speaker 2: wrote a ton of pilots, you know, nineteen pilots. Something
Speaker 2: else said. You know, they had went to different stages
Speaker 2: of pilots where you know, when you decide whether or
Speaker 2: not they're gonna pick it up. Some of it went close,
Speaker 2: some have gotten not as close. But I finally was like,
Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm gonna write about my experience. And I
Speaker 2: looked around and I saw my kids, and you know,
Speaker 2: you're taught to give your kids more than you have.
Speaker 2: But in doing that, what do you sort of lose?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what we kind of always are
Speaker 2: struggling with. But I wrote that story Fishburn, Laurence Fishburn
Speaker 2: really fucked with me. Aunt if really fuck with me,
Speaker 2: we really got we got together. It got picked up,
Speaker 2: and I started realizing that the for me, what I
Speaker 2: wanted to do was like say something, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to not say it, like I love the Coswe Show,
Speaker 2: but the Coze Show truthfully could have been a white family.
Speaker 2: The big thing about it was that they were black
Speaker 2: on TV and that was a big breakthrough for us,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And they had money and
Speaker 2: they had money, you know what I'm saying That we
Speaker 2: hadn't seen that before. But I was like, yo, I
Speaker 2: want to write about a little bit of this experience,
Speaker 2: but I don't. I want to talk about our experience
Speaker 2: and what it's like when you get a little bit
Speaker 2: of money but you're from this situation, but you want
Speaker 2: to cheat you, I'm saying. And so that was, you know,
Speaker 2: that was a different experience and that and it picked
Speaker 2: up and that became sort of what I wanted to
Speaker 2: do moving forward, was like how do we tell How
Speaker 2: do I tell a version of my story or something
Speaker 2: that I know about? And I think the thing that
Speaker 2: was different for me is like and you know, I
Speaker 2: get she get shipped for it, but I want a
Speaker 2: lot of people to see my shit. I want black people,
Speaker 2: I want white people, because I think the real way
Speaker 2: we break up out is populist success. What I'm saying
Speaker 2: we sold Blackish to FX, not was FX was the
Speaker 2: shit at the time, and that's where I was going
Speaker 2: to go. Everybody made offers, but FX was where I
Speaker 2: wanted to go, and Paul Lee, who was the president
Speaker 2: of ABC, was like sent me some things like if
Speaker 2: you come here, I'll put you on after maddern Family,
Speaker 2: and that for me was everything because I was like,
Speaker 2: if we can go on, if you give me a
Speaker 2: chance to play in the league next to the biggest
Speaker 2: family comedy, then and we hold on. It changes the conversation.
Speaker 2: You won't just say this is a little black show
Speaker 2: and we beat Modern Family the first couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And it was like that
Speaker 2: changed the whole conversation. That made everybody start being like,
Speaker 2: oh this is this is not just a black show.
Speaker 2: It's a show that has start as black people, made
Speaker 2: by black people, but it's a show that speaks to everybody.
Speaker 2: And that became sort of like what I wanted to
Speaker 2: do moving forward. I wanted to do big shit that
Speaker 2: was for us but actually spoke to everybody because I
Speaker 2: think you know, I'm all down for like you know this,
Speaker 2: you know, things that are like niche and things stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But I really feel like how we went
Speaker 2: on a big stage is like we got to like
Speaker 2: win on a big stage, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We got to sort of get to the playoffs. We
Speaker 2: gotta fucking you know, get to.
Speaker 1: The award shows.
Speaker 2: We got to really sort of step up and win it.
Speaker 1: That stripe absolutely. How was was that pitch? Did that
Speaker 1: pitch different than others because you were actually opening up
Speaker 1: your personal life to an extent with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was different and it was better
Speaker 2: for me, easier, easier, and like, you can't tell me.
Speaker 2: You can't really give me notes on my life to me,
Speaker 2: you can't give me notes some of the life. And
Speaker 2: it started being like when they would give me notes,
Speaker 2: my little trick would be like, well, culturally speaking, they're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Clure speaking, you're right, Like, and I would be like,
Speaker 2: you can't tell me about the culture and how what
Speaker 2: I experienced. And I feel like that sort of moving
Speaker 2: forward became that's what I wanted to do. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, is like, do stuff that felt like
Speaker 2: it's us on a bigger level, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like I'm the rich Parulk thing like one of the movies.
Speaker 2: In the movie, one of the things we talk about
Speaker 2: is the NBA is ninety six percent African American workforce,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And maybe it's dropped a
Speaker 2: little bit since we did the thing. And the only
Speaker 2: they get to own a team had to be the
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan of basketball to own a team, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like that doesn't make any sense. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, It doesn't make any sense. And
Speaker 2: I feel like the notion of you know, they love us,
Speaker 2: they love our culture, they love they Even in the
Speaker 2: comedy I just did, there's never been it was one
Speaker 2: hundred million move there never had been a major comedy
Speaker 2: about what that was directed by a black person.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I loved him story, love the but like they didn't
Speaker 2: get a chance to do that big every think. I'm like,
Speaker 2: but you'll eat up Kevin Hart, You'll eat up Dave Chapelle,
Speaker 2: you eat up Anie Murphy, you'll eat up you know,
Speaker 2: Chris Rock, But like you won't let us tell our
Speaker 2: own stories. And so I'm like, you know, that was
Speaker 2: a big opportunity for me.
Speaker 1: So obviously see Blackish is greenlit. How did how did
Speaker 1: that cast come about? Because that was a pretty it
Speaker 1: was a special cast.
Speaker 2: That was magic. I'm sure y'all I always do basketball knowledge,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure y'all been on teams and you're like,
Speaker 2: this shit just happened.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: There's moments where you're like, you can't explain it, like
Speaker 2: just everything started, you know, happening. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I feel like Marseille, you just knew when she walked
Speaker 2: in the room, like she just was like this little
Speaker 2: girl with glasses that just blew up. Marcus Yarra, Tracy.
Speaker 2: I've worked with Tracy before, but like people they were like,
Speaker 2: where'd you discover this girl? Was like she just had
Speaker 2: three hundred episodes on girlfriends, like and they didn't even
Speaker 2: know who she was. That's how little they look at us.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying, that's crazy, But like everybody you know,
Speaker 2: and I think Fish was the fish and ant where
Speaker 2: the Lynchin's but Lawren's fishburnt. Coming to do TV nobody
Speaker 2: has really seen him do that, and he made everybody
Speaker 2: you know, when they came to work, it was worktime.
Speaker 2: So you know that. I think that was it was
Speaker 2: really destined to be. And you know, from the moment
Speaker 2: we started shooting the pilot, I felt like that was
Speaker 2: something different.
Speaker 1: You go into black af and experienced success with that.
Speaker 1: What was that like?
Speaker 2: It was not what I expected. I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be in it. Rashida was my homegirl. She was a
Speaker 2: big deal. She asked. She told me. She was like,
Speaker 2: I think you should do this. She's like, I think
Speaker 2: this should be your curb. You're Larry David.
Speaker 1: She's like, we don't get to do that.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. People don't get to see
Speaker 2: that there's a real black dude behind this. And she
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not an active but she like
Speaker 2: walked me through it. I would be doing scenes and
Speaker 2: she like, you know, stop and she'd be like, you know,
Speaker 2: people have to be able to understand what you're saying, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: She would help me through it.
Speaker 2: But it changed my life because it was it went
Speaker 2: from being behind the scenes and whatever to people actually
Speaker 2: seeing me in front of the camera and seeing like
Speaker 2: that was at my real house. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: seeing you know, a version of what my life was
Speaker 2: was like, you know, it's the thing. When I'm out,
Speaker 2: people will come up and be like, well when season two,
Speaker 2: I guess the the thing, like I get the most
Speaker 2: sort of love from even though it wasn't critics didn't
Speaker 2: like it, just like I feel like, you know, it
Speaker 2: was a lot of people that from the culture that
Speaker 2: really responded to it, and I feel like it changed
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: Got a chance to work with the legendary Sammy Jackson
Speaker 1: with Cheft. What was that like, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, he's a beast. He's a beast. He comes to play,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like he literally when you
Speaker 2: eat steps on the thing, like he'll eat you up
Speaker 2: if you're not ready, you know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 2: was Tim story directed it, so you know him and
Speaker 2: Tim were in any place, but like he came, I
Speaker 2: feel like it was still that was one of the
Speaker 2: cricket critics didn't love, but it was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite comedies. I feel like he was hilarious. When the
Speaker 2: critics came out, they were like, you know, this is
Speaker 2: toxic masculinity. I'm like, yo, this is shaft. I should
Speaker 2: have called it shaft toxic masculinity. Like that's what it was,
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, But it wasn't, you know it was?
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I I don't even look
Speaker 2: at reviews and stuff anymore. I feel like it's the
Speaker 2: stuff that gets great reviews and stuff. Sometimes I'm not
Speaker 2: as happy about the stuff that doesn't get reviews.
Speaker 3: It was funny to me. I laughed, my ass I
Speaker 3: laughed my ass off.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. He's funny. And I feel like the
Speaker 2: kid Jesse, you played this something?
Speaker 1: He killed it? Yeah he killed it. Yeah he killed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah he killed it. From two different worlds, but they
Speaker 3: messed good together on camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sam seventy years.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you know my girl was on
Speaker 3: the beginning of that movie who Gina?
Speaker 4: Oh, I love her, So she had to beg she
Speaker 4: had to begin and saying we'll be working together in
Speaker 4: the piece.
Speaker 2: She's the best. Yeah, she really really is.
Speaker 4: How is your from you starting off to now, how
Speaker 4: is your storytelling change?
Speaker 2: I think it's more honest. I think I care a
Speaker 2: little bit less, you know, what I'm saying. What people think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think like you know, it's it's a little bit
Speaker 2: more like, you know, I'm a little bit more like
Speaker 2: I won't say confident, but I'm like, I'm if it
Speaker 2: doesn't work, I can take I can. I haven't put
Speaker 2: up a lot of bricks, so I feel like I
Speaker 2: can put the shooter take my shots. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying in a different way that not I'm not
Speaker 2: as careful with them as I was before. And I
Speaker 2: think you know you've earned that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you know what you're doing now. I think so, I
Speaker 2: think you can say that. I think so, I think
Speaker 2: that you know what I'm saying. I feel like if
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I think I got to I
Speaker 2: get a little bit of a few misses, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, so low and I and I also,
Speaker 2: you know, feel like I get a chance to I'm
Speaker 2: seeing Ray I'm saying, you know, Courtney, Courtney Camp. I'm saying,
Speaker 2: lean away from seeing Ryan Coogler. I'm saying all this,
Speaker 2: you know, younger like, and I'm loving them and like
Speaker 2: different than to be honest, like when I was coming up,
Speaker 2: like I didn't have like a lot of people who like, were.
Speaker 1: There any enough to cut you up? But were there
Speaker 1: people you could look up to that look like you?
Speaker 2: There are people I could look up to, but they
Speaker 2: weren't really fucking with me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like they want, you know, like because it was a
Speaker 2: little bit more crabs in a barrel kind of intell
Speaker 2: because it was so few, they made us feel like.
Speaker 1: That ye had not with each other you did. And
Speaker 1: now I.
Speaker 2: Feel like the younger generation is like they show up,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like me and will packer cool?
Speaker 2: If I call Leana, if I call you, if I
Speaker 2: call you know, Eva, if I call like, they'll show up.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. They're not showing up asking
Speaker 2: for a check. I'm gonna try to get them a check,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But then it's not about that.
Speaker 2: It's like they don't gonna show it for them. And
Speaker 2: I think that's a different situation.
Speaker 1: Than we have before. Enough for all of us.
Speaker 2: It is, I would Bridge Fauls like we're sarting just
Speaker 2: in general, like the contracts cats are getting now, Like
Speaker 2: it's it to me if you I saw that this
Speaker 2: last year looking at that the first like ten to
Speaker 2: fifteen contracts. Like if you have dudes who have tuned
Speaker 2: and fifteen million dollar contracts, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: what's you're worth in credit? And what your you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Where you can get five of those
Speaker 2: dudes together and with they can buy a team, shut
Speaker 2: it down, you know what I'm saying. But they have
Speaker 2: to be told that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like we're in a position now where like the bag
Speaker 2: is different, you know what I'm saying. And it's about
Speaker 2: ownership and it's about like I think that you know,
Speaker 2: I looked at like, you know, golf is the whitest,
Speaker 2: oldest you know what I'm saying, supposed to be. The
Speaker 2: Saudias came in and they bought golf.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They came in and was like they bought that shit,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yo, like we got money, Like why
Speaker 2: can't we go in you know what I'm saying, next
Speaker 2: do our own expansions? Why do we have to compete?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, And people who don't look
Speaker 2: like us get to own the teams and we can
Speaker 2: you know, put the you know, put our money together,
Speaker 2: go to finance and go to capitol and literally own
Speaker 2: our own teams. I feel like it has to the
Speaker 2: next five or ten years. We got to see that quadruple.
Speaker 1: But it's got to be that more more of that
Speaker 1: thinking though, because we don't even think like that. We're
Speaker 1: so used to coming up by ourselves that we don't
Speaker 1: realize that. Obviously, the fist is stronger than the finger,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We could do anything together
Speaker 1: anything Literally.
Speaker 2: Twitter is black Twitter. Why don't we own black Twitter?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like Twitter's not Twitter wouldn't
Speaker 2: be fun if it won't with the black people, know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So why don't we own our own Twitter?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Why do we keep you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like we have all this and
Speaker 2: we do this, all the memes, all the funny shiites
Speaker 2: on there. Why don't we own our own ship? You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I feel like just having
Speaker 2: those conversations and getting around, you know, other dudes who
Speaker 2: have you know, some means I think that the conversation
Speaker 2: will and stuff was gonna change pretty soon.
Speaker 4: Three pot question, what piece of advice would you would
Speaker 4: you give to spying actor today?
Speaker 1: Myself? Are you do you want to ask? I started, really,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I did? I did it?
Speaker 4: So on with the Thomas Jones, they got to show
Speaker 4: that they're doing. I'm not really supposed to say it,
Speaker 4: but I'm telling you, y'all can edit this out on
Speaker 4: what's uh don't let mean he'll come to him again.
Speaker 4: But I did it like three weeks ago my first
Speaker 4: cameo in the TV series that he got.
Speaker 2: I it's crazy you said that because you waking up
Speaker 2: in the morning and the Reveland sleet and just talking.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a naturalness to what you do. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he could do it, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I feel like that's the serious you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like it's it's funny, but it's real.
Speaker 1: And the one they could tell you that too, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the ship that like you know that, Pops,
Speaker 2: I feel like we don't have enough. That's the thing
Speaker 2: that like there's this there's this movie, this series out
Speaker 2: beef right now, and it's a Ali Wong and forget
Speaker 2: the other dude's named John True. I want to say, John,
Speaker 2: I don't want it, but it's phenomenal. But the dude
Speaker 2: who blows me away is this dude, David Joe who's
Speaker 2: in it. He was an artist and he's the dude
Speaker 2: who did a piece in Facebook's office and they said
Speaker 2: you can get sixty thousand dollars where we can give
Speaker 2: you stock, and he took the stock and the stock
Speaker 2: is worth like five hundred million dollars from so he
Speaker 2: but he's the most not He's just natural, and you
Speaker 2: can't you can't bind natural. Mike Epps natural, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like there's actors. Chappelle doesn't even do jokes.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, you've ever talked with Chappelle, it's you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Exactly what you get when you
Speaker 2: hang out with him is what he does and does himself.
Speaker 2: So I think that part of it. So I would
Speaker 2: say my advisive actors is, are you an actor who
Speaker 2: really really really needs, you know, acting class and you
Speaker 2: know everyone needs to understand it. But I think sometimes
Speaker 2: acting class for me can can take away that natural
Speaker 2: ability because you're trying to like fit into an envelope
Speaker 2: or a checklist that may not be you. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I feel like there's something about you know,
Speaker 2: real stars. You know Robert de Niro, Pacino, Cloning. They're
Speaker 2: the same dudes basically every movie. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: real stars, you buy them. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: you're buying them every movie. They're a version of that movie.
Speaker 2: There's actors, it's Phillip Seymour Hoffman, and there's you know,
Speaker 2: great character actors, and those dudes are different. They can
Speaker 2: do something. But I feel like a real star sometimes
Speaker 2: you're buying them. And so you ask yourself an actor,
Speaker 2: are you a star or you're an actor? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So that was my my advice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a star.
Speaker 1: As going to start a long time.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to start a long time.
Speaker 1: And my hands anything, Weddy. What would tell a writer
Speaker 1: writer's right, Wright's right? Right? Is right?
Speaker 2: It's nothing more like if you're a writer, you write,
Speaker 2: and you keep writing. You know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, If it don't work, you
Speaker 2: keep writing something else. Like that's the there's no there's
Speaker 2: no other advice writer's right, cause you get back. I
Speaker 2: look back at the ship I wrote twenty years ago
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: then I look at stuff now and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can take that two years. I can rewrite it.
Speaker 2: But like, you keep getting better. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's you know, you know from the time you hoop,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, to when you start hooping
Speaker 2: to when you find I tell people I was talking
Speaker 2: to talking, they were talking about Kenny Lofton came in.
Speaker 2: Somebody in the room was like, yeah, but they only
Speaker 2: played six dudes about I'm like this nigga put up
Speaker 2: forty two points. Like I don't care how many people
Speaker 2: I'm saying he put Like he put up forty two points. Period,
Speaker 2: he got game. I'm like most of the dudes that
Speaker 2: people call bombs, I'm like, if they went to the
Speaker 2: best wreck run in the world, they put two hundred.
Speaker 1: Points, everybody on the bench can bust your ass two hundred.
Speaker 2: I'm like, literally, I went to a run ten years
Speaker 2: ago with Mitch Richmond, fat out of shape. I think
Speaker 2: it was shooting blindfold from Half Courts. What I'm saying,
Speaker 2: I'm like the the idea of when you really know
Speaker 2: your craft different him saying, you really do it and
Speaker 2: you put those shots up. The bummy snak on the
Speaker 2: NBA team is better than you. So I feel like
Speaker 2: the same thing with a writer. If you keep writing
Speaker 2: and keep writing and keep writing, I feel like you
Speaker 2: get better and better and better to the point where
Speaker 2: you you know, you feel confident with it. Your master director,
Speaker 2: it's it's confidence. It's all like that's it's either you know,
Speaker 2: kill or be killed. You know what I'm saying. When
Speaker 2: you when you get behind a camera to direct, it
Speaker 2: is they have to trust that you know what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And the moment that you show any bit of weakness,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, they will eat you up.
Speaker 2: I was on that set and it was Eddie Murphy,
Speaker 2: Johnny Hill, Julie's Dreyfus, all these you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: David du coompany Nia Long and it was a moment
Speaker 2: like we were in between season and they were talking
Speaker 2: and they like and I was trying to like start
Speaker 2: to seeing them talking, and I just fucking flipped out
Speaker 2: and Lauren was like, oh, bro's about the spiral, like
Speaker 2: a spiraling and I was like, yo, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not the fucking substitute teacher.
Speaker 2: You know, a somebstitute teacher comes to everybody's talking, and
Speaker 2: I like, if I can, you know, slipped out and
Speaker 2: they kind of like Eddie was like, huh substituture. I
Speaker 2: get that, So I kind of like but it was
Speaker 2: a moment of respect what I'm saying and like, and
Speaker 2: they all at that point wanted me to win. But
Speaker 2: that's the thing with directing, like you gotta be the
Speaker 2: general and the moment they sense any weakness, you gotta
Speaker 2: know what you want. You gotta have a plan, and
Speaker 2: you got to really make them feel because you know,
Speaker 2: they got to trust you. They putting their face there,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. They got to trusted with that.
Speaker 2: You're not putting up a brick, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So responsibility, I think that would be my thing is like,
Speaker 2: you know, be confident.
Speaker 1: What was like Cutty?
Speaker 2: I think you know it's it's crazy. I'm I'm a
Speaker 2: fan cut He's you know, my brother. I feel like
Speaker 2: what he did in some aspects for music, people don't
Speaker 2: give him. You know, Travis Scott is Travis Scott because
Speaker 2: of Scott must Study. That's where the Scott and his
Speaker 2: name came from. You what I'm saying, Like he created like.
Speaker 1: A whole brand talent of super.
Speaker 2: Emo rap or like you know what I'm saying, Like whatever,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's not for everybody, but I was
Speaker 2: really surprised as an actor, Like he came. Animation is hard,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And he came and like,
Speaker 2: you know, fucking what's his name? That ty Dallas heiin
Speaker 2: ty Dallas he murdered. I got people that you would
Speaker 2: never think I'm saying. I'm like, yo, it was real talented.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, you know, the music cut he
Speaker 2: put put together an album. He held the album for
Speaker 2: two years. That's hard to do because everybody wants to
Speaker 2: put out money than when get their streams. He held
Speaker 2: that album for two years. That's how only it took
Speaker 2: the animate you know whatever it came out. I still
Speaker 2: think we're going to be getting them conversation. I'm saying,
Speaker 2: a lot of people really responding to it, you know,
Speaker 2: and it was you know, it was animation, and we
Speaker 2: don't get a chance to do the animation. I'm doing
Speaker 2: the Bob Marley like, uh, it's called you know, one
Speaker 2: Love and I'm doing Bob Marley animated animated movie for
Speaker 2: Disney right now. It's the first time the family ever
Speaker 2: gave all the music do it. And it's like a
Speaker 2: love letter, Like how Mawana was a love letter in
Speaker 2: the South Pacific. It's a love letter to Jamaica.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's animated, and I feel like animation lasts forever if
Speaker 2: you do which it's trees in there, Okay, we can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's that's that's part of their culture.
Speaker 2: Right. Good. You can't take it's it's not and we're
Speaker 2: seeing that now. I'm saying, I'm looking at all this
Speaker 2: stuff that like, you know, it's crazy. Paul Pierced yesterday,
Speaker 2: you know, had his interview, came out and he was like,
Speaker 2: what did I do wrong?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: He was talking about the things I loved him. It
Speaker 2: made me think, what did he do wrong? In the
Speaker 2: big scheme? I understand the morals claus and things like that,
Speaker 2: but he had a point. He's he's in California, he's
Speaker 2: enjoying himself. Weed is legal it's his birthday. It's his birthday.
Speaker 2: He's playing cards with his boys. He didn't do anything,
Speaker 2: there was no guns in the thing, whatever he's doing.
Speaker 2: But I feel like those conversations are like we gotta
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like why is the teaching KHN
Speaker 2: can be this or this person can do that, but
Speaker 2: like if we what I'm saying, like this is legal,
Speaker 2: I'm glad they took weed off the table for the
Speaker 2: NBA because I feel like.
Speaker 1: Why is.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, but like, why is that
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying something that I feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't you know what I'm saying? I fuck we
Speaker 2: hearing it, but it don't. It's not good for me
Speaker 2: in terms of writing because I can't focus, but I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, it's so much should I've been
Speaker 2: reading just about like The Help and if it's I
Speaker 2: was reading stuff, but just like dreads, like people have
Speaker 2: been talking about like forever, the Rosters were talking about
Speaker 2: their dreads is their antenna and to connect them and
Speaker 2: they kind of sound like there's some hotel like bullshit.
Speaker 2: I was reading someone on my trip and hair is
Speaker 2: an extension of our nervous system and that's a scientific
Speaker 2: fact that they do not tell you that. And then
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that they started studying that is
Speaker 2: like in Vietnam and Korea, like Indians Native Americans are
Speaker 2: amazing trackers, right, They you know, can go track animals,
Speaker 2: track people or whatever. And so the government was giving
Speaker 2: out grants and getting Indian trackers to come help them
Speaker 2: when we were going fighting these wars and foliage or whatever, right,
Speaker 2: and they can find anything. They were amazing. But once
Speaker 2: they sat down, they sat down and they gave them
Speaker 2: the standard the lostpartments across the country, Like we don't
Speaker 2: feel the same.
Speaker 1: And that's what made them start researching.
Speaker 2: And they found that it was our hair is a
Speaker 2: part of like how we it has like you know,
Speaker 2: that's why your hair on your arms raised, because it's
Speaker 2: a part of your your nervous system. And I felt like,
Speaker 2: you know, we used to get sweated for, like the
Speaker 2: Crown Actor is the thing we used to get sweated
Speaker 2: because we want to wear our hairlong, we want to
Speaker 2: put our hair in braids, like all the things that
Speaker 2: I feel like we have been having to fight for.
Speaker 2: It's like there's always I'm not a conspiracy, there's but
Speaker 2: there's always something behind that conversation that I feel like
Speaker 2: we if we dig a little bit further, it's like,
Speaker 2: maybe there's something else we.
Speaker 3: Don't know that's interesting.
Speaker 4: That's a good thing while we have people like you,
Speaker 4: because you understand it. Can't nobody tell our stories better
Speaker 4: than we can tell them. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And a lot of stuff will get twisted the wrong
Speaker 4: way if they told another way, because it's no way
Speaker 4: you can tell a bib Mar story without the tree, right,
Speaker 4: But only we can tell that story, can't Nobody else
Speaker 4: said that they wouldn't tell it the way we would
Speaker 4: tell right.
Speaker 2: I agree, And they've and and other people have been
Speaker 2: allowed to tell our stories too long, for too long.
Speaker 2: The dudes who wrote the New Roots, White dudes, they
Speaker 2: also wrote Planet of the Apes, which is the irony
Speaker 2: of that is fucking crazy. And I'm like, would I
Speaker 2: ever be allowed to write something that was you know,
Speaker 2: significant to other people that I'm saying and a culture thing?
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know that we get those same opportunities. So
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, when we do get our
Speaker 2: opportunities we need to make sure we tell them the
Speaker 2: right way.
Speaker 3: It's like write Titanic, yeah, or me writing something.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I feel like if I
Speaker 2: wrote word for word the best version of that movie,
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't it would be, like I was, it
Speaker 2: would be looked at as disrespectful. What I'm saying doesn't
Speaker 2: matter if it's a really good script or not. It
Speaker 2: be looked disrespectful. And I feel like, but it's not sold.
Speaker 2: That's not looked at the same way when they want
Speaker 2: to write our movies, and I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: we have to sort of we got a certain point.
Speaker 2: We got to sort of take control of our own narrative.
Speaker 1: Good point, quick hitters man. First thing to come to mind.
Speaker 1: Let us know the most meaningful film or memorable film
Speaker 1: or show that influenced you.
Speaker 2: Jerry Maguire was a big one for me, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I like the way Cameron Crowe told
Speaker 2: that story and told, you know, put me inside what
Speaker 2: the agent was, put me inside that world.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 2: I still I like voiceover a lot, and I think
Speaker 2: he used voiceover and stuff like that. So that's a
Speaker 2: big That was a big one for me.
Speaker 5: First thing you do in the morning, last thing you
Speaker 5: do at night, first thing in the morning. When I
Speaker 5: wake up, I say thank you for thank you for
Speaker 5: giving me another day. I'm I'm a big go to
Speaker 5: sleep for TV fans. What I'm saying so, I probably
Speaker 5: just fall asleep watching question TV.
Speaker 1: I want to ask, because you're definitely a movie in TV. Dude,
Speaker 1: this is not even on the list. But what shows
Speaker 1: you watching right now?
Speaker 2: Secession is crazy? I like, I was watching Beef, I was.
Speaker 2: I was loving Snowfall for a while. I think it
Speaker 2: kind of took it took a turn. I'm sorry, bro,
Speaker 2: are you caught Are you caught up with it?
Speaker 1: You caught up? You stopped? I stopped.
Speaker 2: I keep going, all right? Damn since my boy and
Speaker 2: all the peoples, my boy, it was it went crazy
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. You know what I'm saying this
Speaker 2: thinking had a real estate company and was like like
Speaker 2: a new woman and I'm just like, hold on what
Speaker 2: you know I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So, but I'm gonna go back if but the woman
Speaker 1: plays a key part in what's going on.
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, I gotta go back with power. And you know,
Speaker 2: I like a lot of documentaries, but also, you know,
Speaker 2: because I want to keep I watched you for you.
Speaker 2: I know dope.
Speaker 1: I think watch the first come back on is y'all
Speaker 1: Son good Man, that ship fire? Is it watched in
Speaker 1: the world? That ship is fire.
Speaker 4: I don't watch it like that. I don't watch it
Speaker 4: like that to be hon is, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: But let me tell you why you got me. When
Speaker 4: I seen they handling everything like we would like over land.
Speaker 4: You come on my land, I ain't gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go hang you right here on my land. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: shoot you and all my sons know to kill you. No,
Speaker 4: it's dope, and his sister is crazy. I sent her
Speaker 4: to college just so she can come back and terrorize
Speaker 4: all y'all with us smart now it's dope. And Kevin
Speaker 4: Coustlin it plays like he's a mob b.
Speaker 1: It's dope.
Speaker 4: It's dope, and like I said again, I don't watch
Speaker 4: it like that, but it's dope.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's what I want. That's why I
Speaker 2: want people to say that about shit that I do like,
Speaker 2: I don't watch this, but I think that's that's when
Speaker 2: you know something really well.
Speaker 1: To the point where I watched eighteen. It's two more
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 4: It's nineteen twenty five and the eighteen twenty three, but
Speaker 4: it's all built up to the.
Speaker 1: Same shit about how they got the land. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: watched all of them, okay, and that ain't my ship,
Speaker 1: but that shit was good.
Speaker 2: So that dude wrote Taylor Sheridan, and he wrote one
Speaker 2: of my He wrote this movie Hell or High Water,
Speaker 2: and that movie was like one of my favorite favorite movies.
Speaker 2: So I was said, I was gonna watch House, but
Speaker 2: then it just felt too CBS is to me. It
Speaker 2: was the one where they were bank robbers. It was
Speaker 2: him and it was Chris Pine and I forget the
Speaker 2: other dude's name, but they played bank robber.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ben Foster, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like being Foster.
Speaker 2: He's dope.
Speaker 1: Out of all the sets you worked on, someone that
Speaker 1: would do a practical joke or a prank, who was
Speaker 1: the funny guy on set, Dion and.
Speaker 2: Cole, He's funny, funny in real life.
Speaker 1: His stand ups classics. He got one some of the
Speaker 1: best stand.
Speaker 2: Ups I produced this first Netflix special and it was
Speaker 2: I was one of the priest moments.
Speaker 1: I like, what was that one called dope?
Speaker 2: Co Cole hearted similar slap yeah yeah, yes, slap slap
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, that's what's the stand for again? Sound like
Speaker 2: a player. He talked about megas how back, how black
Speaker 2: people always want to get the bones out of fish,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And his character on Blackish was classic.
Speaker 2: Yo. The way that happened was I asked him to
Speaker 2: come on as a writer because he's his pen is crazy.
Speaker 2: He wrote for Conan. He writes his own I'm saying,
Speaker 2: like his the way his mind, his humor is different,
Speaker 2: it's different. So I asked him come on this writer.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get out of it, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I have this role, would you come just you know,
Speaker 2: fuck around it? And he murdered it and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we got to immediately make him a regular. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He went and just like he was
Speaker 2: just my boy, and he's one of those dudes. He's
Speaker 2: Chicago dude. The way he presents is what he is.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. There's no other and I
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 1: I love like you.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying that when you meet people, who they
Speaker 2: are is who they are. I feel like he's not
Speaker 2: almost tinking of people with different settings. He changes who
Speaker 2: he is who he is.
Speaker 1: I can respect people like that, and.
Speaker 2: I want to just I got to say, I love
Speaker 2: your podcast. I'm doing podcasts podcast when I want Weezy.
Speaker 2: He would kill me is thing drama. We have the
Speaker 2: dramas doing a podcast on hip hop right now. He's
Speaker 2: about to go do Pharrell. I am a huge fan
Speaker 2: of what y'all have done and seeing y'all build, like
Speaker 2: I'm learning, not been that you know me, and not
Speaker 2: been trying to figure this out, but I'm learning just
Speaker 2: watching y'all be y'all you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it started off just like what is this?
Speaker 2: And then it started growing and I think it's because
Speaker 2: y'all are real and you know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 2: you actually make people feel comfortable and that's like, so
Speaker 2: that part for me, I'm learning, you know, as I
Speaker 2: get into it, I'm trying to look around and see
Speaker 2: who I can learn from. So drama has that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he does, he got that. He does his albums. I'm
Speaker 2: really like that and he really is like that.
Speaker 4: Five movies, just five movies that that should never be remade.
Speaker 2: Paintingful, don't don't do it.
Speaker 1: They mastered, They up Belly when they tried to do.
Speaker 2: That with belly paintingful Casino, nice, good fellasas and let
Speaker 2: We Do Our Own.
Speaker 1: That was a great version. Yes, that was That was
Speaker 1: a great version for them.
Speaker 2: Don't don't don't, I want to say, but they're doing it.
Speaker 2: I'm scared because I love and she's my girl, So
Speaker 2: don't be man, But I'm I love color purple. Do
Speaker 2: that they're doing over my girls doing this and Blitz
Speaker 2: is a great director. But I'm I'm it was. It's
Speaker 2: crazy about how good that movie was. Yes, so they
Speaker 2: have a lot on their shoulders, and I believe the
Speaker 2: people were doing anything're gonna do it over. But that
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite to me, that arguably is
Speaker 2: one of the favorite best black movies, even though Scholberger
Speaker 2: made it one of the best Black.
Speaker 1: Everybody cried watching it.
Speaker 2: Everybody. Everybody cried, everybody sugavery and just every It made
Speaker 2: so many oprah, I'm saying, made everybody everybody stars. That's
Speaker 2: four and I mean, this will never happen. But my
Speaker 2: favorite sports movie on he Got Game. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I feel like it was it was crazy,
Speaker 2: you know, what I'm saying, like what Ray did, and
Speaker 2: but that's an example of a director and editing. I'm
Speaker 2: sure Ray wasn't that. I'm positive. I'm positive, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He was getting through lines here and there.
Speaker 2: But what Spike did and why he let him and
Speaker 2: what he made in the edit, it was a masterpiece.
Speaker 2: From that opening, you know, Terence Blanchow, I think that
Speaker 2: it's slow and it's people hooping all over the country.
Speaker 2: It was a masterpiece.
Speaker 1: Five Dinner Guests, Dead or Alive? You plus five?
Speaker 2: Jay, I'm still good. I still think Jay got some
Speaker 2: stuff to tell me. Malcolm Gladwell, m who's that he
Speaker 2: wrote a book? He's if you all of his books tonight,
Speaker 2: he wrote up one of the best one was Outliers,
Speaker 2: was a good one. He was the one who started
Speaker 2: coining the ten thousand hour rule. You know what I'm saying. Whatever.
Speaker 2: He wrote another one called Blink, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he's a he's just he does interesting things.
Speaker 2: James Baldwin, Malcolm X, and Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4: Last question, Chief, If you could have a guest on
Speaker 4: our show, who would it be?
Speaker 3: But you have to help us get him on your show, But.
Speaker 1: Do you realize how deep his Rolodex phone book goes? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if I could have a guest or show,
Speaker 2: you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Who needs to be on this show? Who? Kanye? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We need we got some stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2: I think that I think that you could. I honestly
Speaker 2: think that I'm gonna speak completely honest. I think that
Speaker 2: he has things that he probably, you know, emotionally, like
Speaker 2: you know, from a real standpoint, I think we don't
Speaker 2: we don't get the same love when people are like,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, there's certain illness and things
Speaker 2: like that, and he has moments I think he would
Speaker 2: say that. But I also think that he is miss
Speaker 2: is misguided, you know what I'm saying. And I think
Speaker 2: that he has a he has a delivery problem more
Speaker 2: than a content you know what I'm saying. How he
Speaker 2: delivers things, and and he's sort of like I feel
Speaker 2: like he's not study enough. But I think that there
Speaker 2: is the idea that there's a genius there. And I
Speaker 2: think that he went the hate speech that he was talking,
Speaker 2: he was miss he was misguided, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And he was.
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan bro, and I would love to
Speaker 4: have him on the show. You know, just the things
Speaker 4: he said about George Floyd. That's what triggered me.
Speaker 1: And that's that triggered me.
Speaker 2: Everything else, but that was a that was you know,
Speaker 2: and I feel like we as a as a culture,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. I have a barbera cust
Speaker 2: my hair. She was on a movie. So I started
Speaker 2: going to a barbershop every now and then. And I
Speaker 2: missed those barbershop conversations because the best conversations. And when
Speaker 2: you get money, niggas stopped going to the show. And
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and you missed those conversations. But I went
Speaker 2: in the shop and I literally called Richard Love of
Speaker 2: my agent. I was like, can I get Adam Silver
Speaker 2: on the phone? Because it was the same time they
Speaker 2: were sweating Kyrie and I was like, Yo, this is
Speaker 2: too much. This seems like you're trying to coo to
Speaker 2: Kinte Tobias. You know what I'm saying. I was like,
Speaker 2: he said, he's sorry, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like, I was like, I got a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to Adam Silver.
Speaker 2: I tried to you know what I'm saying, But the
Speaker 2: message you got to him. I was like, I'm not
Speaker 2: even sure this nigga watched the documentary. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. This nigga's uncle probably was like he probably
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like that's how should go, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I was like, he's a flat Earth.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like this dude's not a scientist. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like he's he's a dude. Like you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. We're taking way too much, giving
Speaker 2: him way too much credit. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: I feel like someone needs When Charlie Sheen was in trouble,
Speaker 2: there was people reaching out to him, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, or people reaching out to him. I feel
Speaker 2: like the idea of I don't think that we had
Speaker 2: enough outreach and what we should have done to me
Speaker 2: personally as a culture. When Kanye says slavery was a choice,
Speaker 2: why didn't we fucking have a talk with him? Why
Speaker 2: didn't we cancel him? If there was a cancel, which
Speaker 2: I don't really believe in that ship, But if we're
Speaker 2: going to do that, why didn't we do it? Why
Speaker 2: do we wait and let somebody else keep saying, do
Speaker 2: the choice the decision that we did. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. When George Floyd, when that's when I ignorant,
Speaker 2: that statement was said, Why didn't we fucking step up?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, And then we get mad
Speaker 2: when other people do it. Adidas has every fucking right
Speaker 2: to drop him. That's that's their that's their job. Yes,
Speaker 2: they're right, and they choose to do that. But when
Speaker 2: we when he said that, why didn't we have a conversation?
Speaker 2: Why didn't we pull him aside? Why didn't we stop
Speaker 2: showing up to the concerts? Why didn't we? And why
Speaker 2: don't we check each other and police ourselves? Why do
Speaker 2: we get mad when the other people police us, but
Speaker 2: we don't police ourselves? And why don't we big up ourselves?
Speaker 2: Why don't we when the Immature Awards comes?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Why is the Immagure Wars not as big as the Oscars?
Speaker 2: Why don't we take that Immature Wars and make them
Speaker 2: as big as the Oscars? Why don't we make our
Speaker 2: ship up where everybody who is somebody in our community,
Speaker 2: we show up, we put on the penguin suits, and
Speaker 2: we make that something we're proud of.
Speaker 4: Same thing I we preaching without a game. We need
Speaker 4: to make that an office game just as big as
Speaker 4: the McDonald's game. Why why not? It makes more sense.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why we don't value each other, ourselves
Speaker 2: and our place and things. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We do not allow ourselves to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: we are the number one consumer.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Without us, indeed, it's is about to fold. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like you know the idea of like
Speaker 2: what we can do. But we can't just let this
Speaker 2: nigga get on there and say flavory is a choice
Speaker 2: and then and not say nothing, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and then complain when someone else did we that was
Speaker 2: our responsibility. You know what I'm saying. They took they
Speaker 2: handled you know what I'm saying. That culture handled their business.
Speaker 2: Somebody came after their people in that culture handled their business.
Speaker 2: Why don't we handle our business? So you know that
Speaker 2: that for me is a is a big is a
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 1: Kind bro.
Speaker 4: You welcome on the show. I know I said a lot.
Speaker 4: We just need to have a conversation.
Speaker 2: That's that's what makes them to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: Your relationship to that situation, that's where I really started
Speaker 2: actually getting to know you, you know, saying outside of mouse
Speaker 2: in the palace and shooting threes and you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, but like actually hearing your voice and it
Speaker 2: was you know what I'm saying, nobody people only get
Speaker 2: to know you outside of that. That's when I actually
Speaker 2: got to hear you as a man and like, you know,
Speaker 2: hear your voice that real relationship to that, to that situation.
Speaker 2: No one in the public has the same relationship to you.
Speaker 2: So the idea that what he said was so offensive
Speaker 2: you have in that conversation, that's that's building the opportunity.
Speaker 2: That's us showing. It doesn't mean you got to make
Speaker 2: peace with him because he might say some shit that
Speaker 2: pisses you off, you know what I'm saying, But.
Speaker 1: It's a conspe conversation, That's that's what it's about.
Speaker 2: And I feel we got to have more talks, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, In more conversation with each other
Speaker 2: rather than just you know, shoot us at the club,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 1: Each other off. Yeah, exactly well, Kenny, Man, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you of time tonight, but really just your importance. I
Speaker 1: was really looking forward to this because, I mean, I
Speaker 1: really feel like this is a big title, but you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're pretty much one of the head gatekeepers to
Speaker 1: our community and our culture and being able to tell
Speaker 1: our story with not only tell our story, but tell
Speaker 1: it with people that look like us too, and and
Speaker 1: and the end to hear that that's always been kind
Speaker 1: of your goal and you continue to inspire doing that. Man.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate what you got going on. Man, Thank
Speaker 1: you for your time today. Bro, besting luck if you meet.
Speaker 1: Jack is really out here acting, so man, you catch this?
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