1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: H m. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: Hmmm, mm hmmm. 3 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke back. We got a 4 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: good one today. You're ready, Yeah, I'm ready. Come on, yeah, man, 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: we want to welcome to the show. One of the 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: busiest man's in Hollywood. Black man man right, writer, producer, director, actor, creator, 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: the one and only Kenya Bears. Appreciate you, man, Thank 8 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: you for your time. Bro, Appreciate you. 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here. 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: Man. What's new? How's life right now? 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: It's crazy? We are I'm running. I started going back 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: to TV. I'm running up the Richard Pryor doing a 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: show by Richard Pryor's life. Okay, and we're in a 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: room show, movie, a show. Oh really, it's greater the grave. 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: Just I mean, his life is so crazy. You could 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: have one. You could take it to a whole show 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: just on him growing up in a whole house. You 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Just that, But it's like it 19 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: goes his whole life and he's one of my heroes 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: or anti hero whatever you want to say. You know 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He made it and did it his way. 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: So I'm doing that. And it's a writer's strike that 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: everybody's worried about the next couple of weeks, so kind 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: of trying to get bank as many scripts as we 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: can on that. Me and Snoop just we saw the 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: script testing test screen of his movie just came out. 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: He killed it. It's called Underdogs. It's about uh, it's 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: like bad News Bearers but Pop Warner football and he 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: plays though, yeah, he plays a co coach Mike Epps 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: and some badass kids, and Snoop kills it. Like you 31 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Snoop is just naturally funny. White 32 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: Man Can Jump is coming out, should be on a 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: month or so. So we're kind of doing press for 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: that and Rich Paul I'm doing that the next movie. 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: I'm set up to directors doing Rich Paul's. I wrote 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: Rich Paul's like biography kind of like his thing, doing 37 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: that for Netflix. And I'm doing something on Famous Amous, 38 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: like which is people don't think it's a crazy story 39 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: of this dude. Whilely Amos who created Famous Amus like 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: created like an empire and you don't know, but he 41 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: created the gourmet cookie, you know what I'm saying. And 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: like was like black man first black he was the 43 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: first black agent. And William Morris signed, Marvin Gaye signed 44 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: Simon and Garfunkle. Marvin gay gave him the money to 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: start Famous Amous. He was driving around and drop top 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: bens fucking he was. He was doing this thing, you 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, And like Gormet Cookies didn't exist 48 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: before that. It was oreos, you know, chips or why 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: he created that, and like it's a billionaire empire and 50 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: it's just an example of like financial literacy. We weren't. 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: He wasn't prepared for what came up. And like just 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: seeing that story is kind of like a Cohen Brothers, 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: David or Russell type of So that's kind of just 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: you know what's going on. And then we're we have 55 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: the Truman Show, but we did it as a series. 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: Damnseon Interests is playing Jamal Truman. It's like the version 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: of like, you know how you see all the you know, 58 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: cop shootings and all the fucked up ship that happens 59 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: to us on TV. That's the Truman Show, you know 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And then it's white people were like, 61 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 2: oh my god, could you imagine if that's what's real life? 62 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So it's kind of like 63 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: telling it from that story and rearranging and going to whatever. 64 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: So we were doing that with a damn anyway. It's 65 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: that's that's. 66 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: The so is it? I mean, obviously, I know you 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of different has to do adult What 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: do you enjoy one more than other? Writing, directing, producing 69 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: all of it? 70 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: I mean writing, writing your favorite, I think, I think 71 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: because that's where it's you know, you got to create 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: the stories, you know what I'm saying. I like editing too, 73 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: because I feel like y'all know, like what I'm saying, 74 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: what comes out in the edit, you can take some 75 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: you can shine shit, you know what I'm saying. Something 76 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: that might not be something, you can make it become 77 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: something an edit. And I feel like that's the painting part, 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: you know I'm saying. So I think those two parts 79 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: of it. But I feel like, you know, the biggest 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: part is like more and more we're getting a chance 81 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: to work with people who look like us, and that 82 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: never has been like that before. 83 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you've been tagged with to me, which 84 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 1: is not a tough spot but obviously an honorable spot 85 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: of it. You know, you're doing remakes and legends from 86 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: our culture and remakes of legendary movies. Do you feel 87 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: the pressure is it more of an honor? Like how 88 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: do you look at you got a heavy, big plate 89 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: with a lot of responsibility on it. 90 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: I feel like it's it's I'm trying to like do more. 91 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: You know, if I do a remake, I wanted to 92 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: be big, Like I'm doing Wizard of Oz you know 93 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And I'm doing that for us, you 94 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. 95 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Like she's in the hood. 96 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's a girl in the hood, 97 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: and you know she falls, She's in Anglewood, she falls 98 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: in the underhood, and tell her from that side, you 99 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, kind of like trying to to 100 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: tell that Wizard of Ours back in the day was 101 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: about turning the mirror. It was the Great Depression and 102 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: he turned the mirror around and like what so I 103 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: want to turn the mirror around on like with society 104 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: is like so if I do it, I wanted to 105 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: be big. We're doing It's a wonderful life. We're hopefully 106 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: you know, Jamie Fox doing with this. But that was 107 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: like one of the biggest Christmas movies ever. So if 108 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: I do make I wanted to be big and I 109 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: wanted to say something. I feel like the thing I'm 110 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: really trying to get now onto more is like telling 111 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,559 Speaker 2: original stories. I did This is the movie you People 112 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: with Jonah and Eddie, and it was like, you know, people, 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: you know, I got a lot of pushback, but then 114 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 2: it blew up in terms of the people number of 115 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: people watched it. I think it's like, you know, anyway, 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: it blew up, you know what I'm saying, And I 117 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: feel like it they didn't believe in it, you know 118 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, And I think, but we show up 119 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: for each other. And I think that's what you saw 120 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: with you know, Wakanda. You know what I'm saying, Like 121 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: Ryan's one of my heroes. You know how He's stuck 122 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: to make it that movie about us? Know true what 123 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: they were calling a list stars. Didn't use none of 124 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: the Marvel, iron Man X, you know for Cat of America, 125 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: which they wanted him to because it was like, if 126 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: I put that in there, then you'll say that's what 127 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: that's what movie was. And he took that and he 128 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: blew it up and it's one of the most successful. 129 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 2: It threw away the notion that they say our movies 130 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: don't travel. You know what I'm saying, I feel like, 131 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 2: you know, saying this movie that we did with black people, 132 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: it blew up and so just like you know, we 133 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: now have a chance of all the shit they've told 134 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: us before, like you know, taking control, like y'all own 135 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: like this is y'all shit, And I feel like that's 136 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: we haven't had that opportunity now. So I think we 137 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: got that moment, but I think we got to be 138 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: more responsible with it. 139 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: But you're definitely one of the main people pushing that 140 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: though too. So I was about to say that does 141 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: that come with a sense of responsibility because you are 142 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: kind of setting the tone as to what you know 143 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: now what we're able to tell, but how we're able 144 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: to tell it as well. 145 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it does. I think it 146 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: also comes with you know, y'all been in this position where, 147 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, when you get certain certain 148 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: blessings and certain chances, people expect more of you and 149 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: you still just didn't get just trying to figure it out. 150 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Guy got kids, I got 151 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: divorces and this and that. What I'm saying, I still 152 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: got my ship, and so I'm trying to like manage life, 153 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, but at the same time 154 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: still do my job. Well you know what I'm saying. 155 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: But I feel like I definitely feel like I feel 156 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: a sense of responsibility. The hard part about it is 157 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: is so few of us. If I tell a story, 158 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: my version of telling the story, it may not be 159 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: your version, may not be your But but I'm supposed 160 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: to sort of like beat everybody speak to everybody. 161 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, And that's not that's not you. 162 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm realistic. 163 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah I can't. 164 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: I don't. 165 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: I can tell it my way, but that's not the way. 166 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: That's one way. And I think there needs to be 167 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: more of us. So like it's not you know, like 168 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: you know, the I get a lot of the light 169 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: skin ship, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, 170 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: my you know, my kids mom is mixed. You know 171 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I made a show about my family, 172 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: my kids mom is mixed. My kids look like I'm 173 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: not super so my I made the people look like 174 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: my you know, mindfunctioning. And it was you don't like 175 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: light skinned people. And I'm like, what I'm saying, like 176 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: you know, and I feel like, you know, when it 177 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: comes to like for me for black shit, like I 178 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: said a joke, but I'm like, I want to like 179 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: this sewer verses like everything in my career has ever 180 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: I've ever done has been for us. 181 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 182 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: I've never done nothing that's not for us what I'm saying. 183 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: But I feel like people will launch into one thing, 184 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: and you know, the biggest thing is when and y'all 185 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: know when you when Twitter and shit, it's hard not 186 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: to respond, you know what I'm saying. It's hard not 187 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: to respond. I'm saying something I've made the mistake of 188 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: saying shit. Sometime I clap back. Sometimes I'll say some 189 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: funny shit, but I know you're not supposed to. But 190 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: sometimes when you put my kids and shit in. 191 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so well let me ask you a question. 192 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: Okay, who says you're not supposed to? 193 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: Who are over there? Okay? 194 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: Well, I ain't got nobody does matter to me. 195 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: No, ain't nobody tell me how I should feel about something. 196 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: And I think that that more so is coming out. 197 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: I'm saying in a way that we were taking more 198 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: control of our narrative. You know what I'm saying, I 199 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: think we got to be careful. You know what I'm saying. 200 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: I feel like the same way can help us. You 201 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I look at Kanye and I 202 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 2: feel like, if that nigga didn't have social media, he 203 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: still be a billionaire, you know what I'm saying. But 204 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: like you know, the idea of you know, we got 205 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: to be careful. But I do feel like for me, 206 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: like I told her, I wanted to do I wanted 207 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: to literally do a blog called I Got Time Today, 208 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: and I want to just literally I wanted to literally 209 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: take all the take any any reviewer. And I wanted 210 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: to get into their life. I wanted to get on 211 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: their social media. I want to go over there. 212 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: It won't take long. If half of them they got 213 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: nothing going. 214 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: On, nothing going on, They living in some studio apartnent 215 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: with a fucking hot pot with a room, and they, 216 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, they mad because they don't 217 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: want to see us have something to say or so. 218 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a delicate balance, you know what 219 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I feel like the more success you have, 220 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: the less you really can You're supposed to like sort 221 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: of open up. But the more I want to because 222 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: the more I'm like fun, you know what I'm saying, Like, 223 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: if you cancel me now, I'll be okay what I'm saying, 224 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: but you know, I don't want to just start trouble. 225 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I feel like bringing my 226 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: kids and my family into it. That's that's when it changes. 227 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 4: But a lot of people don't know that you don't 228 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: have to demean other races to be black and proud. 229 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: That's right. 230 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: That's why I think I'm mastered. That's why I get 231 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: along with everybody. 232 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 4: Like when you see me, I come off as a 233 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 4: black and proud man, and I stand on that. But 234 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 4: Doug Black, but everybody know, I stand on love for 235 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 4: all who have loved fall. When people understand it's a 236 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 4: way to be strong and be proud of who you 237 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 4: are without demeaning the next race, we can move. 238 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you give respect, you get respect, you know what 239 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I feel like, but that's not always. 240 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: The case, especially in Hollywood in particular. You know, I mean, 241 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: I feel like you've been able to it seems like 242 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: where you speak of now, is it coming from our people? 243 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: Or people that look like us. 244 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 2: For the most part, a lot of it Twitter is 245 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: I personally feel like you should have to register for Twitter. 246 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is you get people 247 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: get real digitally brave. 248 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: Man. 249 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: Well, you can just say something conously and it'd be 250 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: twenty people who sound like twenty thousand you know what 251 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 2: I'm saying, and I feel like, you know you're saying something. 252 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: I feel like everybody don't get the mic, everybody don't 253 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: get a chance to sing. I'm not you know what 254 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm saying, And I feel like you now have this 255 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 2: this situation where people feel like everybody's opinion counts. Everybody's 256 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: opinion don't count, so everybody didn't put it in the work. 257 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: Everybody's not fucking you know, given the same talents and opportunities. 258 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: At least qualified of the loudest too, Yeah, the least 259 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: qualified of the loudest. Upbringing Inglewood, how did that raise 260 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: you as a person or excuse. 261 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: Me it was it was prequimed than Inglewood. I feel 262 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: like it taught me everything. I feel like, you know, 263 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: it was crazy because when you grow up in those situations, 264 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,599 Speaker 2: you don't know you're broke because everybody's broken. You know 265 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. That's the beauty of it. You know 266 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It is like I always tell the story. 267 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 2: You know, people used to come over my house. I 268 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: wanted the neighbor used to come over our house. Then 269 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, why they always got to be over? Why 270 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: didn't come up? What I'm saying, I always would complain. 271 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: And then one day I came home the lights you 272 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, didn't work. You know what I'm saying. 273 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: My mom was like, we're gonna go over to Johnson 274 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh shit, Like you know what 275 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like they was coming over, you know what 276 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: I'm saying. I felt like that was you know, that's 277 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: the beauty of that situation. You know what I'm saying. 278 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: When you're in that community. But I feel like when 279 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: I got a chance to sort of cross over and 280 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: get it going to different schools, I feel like I 281 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: have you have more respect, and you know what I'm saying, 282 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: you understand the opportunities differently than people who've been in 283 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: that situation. And I think that's my kids. I worry 284 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: about my kids not getting that. You know what I'm saying, 285 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: because they've come up in a situation where they didn't 286 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: have that struggle, you know what I'm saying. 287 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what you how do you 288 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: balance that? Because I try to balance it too, because 289 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: obviously we all work our asses off so our kids 290 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: didn't have to come up the way they did, and 291 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: particularly you and I would my twins are bi racial. 292 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: My son, what shit, I'm by racial. All three of 293 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: my sons are are biracial. You mean, so there's kind 294 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: of that colorism thing. And then also now like my 295 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: kids look behind the gate and go to private school, 296 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: but I didn't, I mean we were, So how do 297 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,359 Speaker 1: you balance that as having your kid have an understanding 298 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: of everyone is maybe this blessed or this is not? 299 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's what's that balance and 300 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: parenting for you? 301 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: You know, I got six kids and oh, he sounds 302 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: like Jack, it's six different people, you know what I'm saying. 303 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: It's proof that is nature or nurture, Like, it's that 304 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: kind of your kids are gonna be who they are. 305 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 2: You can kind of teach them some stuff, you know 306 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. They can have some morals, but you know, 307 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: people are who they are, but I feel like I 308 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: look up and I just want to came back from 309 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: college tours with my daughter and she got accepted to 310 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: all these grade schools that wanted her, and she's like, 311 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: I want to go to Spelman, And for me, I'm like, 312 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: I didn't push that. I went to black college, you 313 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But she wants that experience. She's like, yo, 314 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: I didn't grown up in situations where I'm around white 315 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: people my whole life. She was like, she went there 316 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: and she was like, this is fucking let home to me. 317 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: And she felt that you could see when she was 318 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: walking around, she didn't matter if the other campuses look better. 319 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: It's like she was like, I want to be around people. 320 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: And so I feel like in some aspect there's something 321 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: she learned and something she got. But I definitely feel like, 322 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: you know, I got. You know, there's times when I'm harassed, 323 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: you know, like with Yalla for Christmas and a couple 324 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: people they're like nothing. I'm like nothing, the fuck are 325 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: you talking about that? Like I was like, I fucked up, 326 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like you don't want nothing? 327 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: Like I feel like that is hard for me. You 328 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying and knowing like are they going 329 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: to still have that hustle because that hustle is what 330 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: mass is. 331 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: It's a necessity. Graduated in mass media Arts in ninety 332 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: six from Clark Atlanta University. What was that like going 333 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: from California to Atlanta. 334 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: I think it was the best thing I ever did 335 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: because I was getting in trouble out here, you know 336 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I was starting to do dumb shit 337 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: and my friends wasn't really doing shit. And when I 338 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: went away, I got a chance to see, like what 339 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: the rest of the country was like different when you're 340 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: in La, you know what I'm saying. La is a 341 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: really specific place, but when you go away and you see, like, 342 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: you know, I got to meet dudes from Texas and 343 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: Florida and Atlanta and New York and and it kind 344 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: of like, you know, we all kind of were there 345 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: trying to do something better. And I think that was 346 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: you know, you know, my best friend passed away is 347 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: to Shakier Stewart, like we he was he was president 348 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: of Deaf Jam and got to do all this stuff. 349 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: And my boy Kenny Burns and job I'm saying, like 350 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: I got to see like dues that I took so 351 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: to this day, you know what I'm saying, are still 352 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: my people. And I don't know if I would have 353 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: if I stayed here, if I would either not been in. 354 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: Trouble and talked to Key a couple of days ago 355 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: and I lived in Atlanta. 356 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's my ma, Like we's He's a hustler. 357 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: He's been one since we was seventeen, you know what 358 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, we want to tell the story like 359 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: he has the rayful Edmunds. We want to I want 360 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: to get into one of the things that me and 361 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: Kenny talking about, like I think the whole notion of 362 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: like the Italian gangster movie like that. I think that's 363 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: over right. I loved it. They had like a seventy 364 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: year right. But now when you think about what you know, 365 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: gangs movies are like I feel like it's black and brown, 366 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: especially like why why are we Why have we been 367 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: so afraid to tell our stories? And I think we're 368 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: afraid to tell them. If you do one, keep me 369 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: in mind, fink we're afraid to tell them because let's go. 370 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: Because I feel like we're afraid to tell them because it 371 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: looks like we're glorifying it, but like real talk, like 372 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: like you know, uh Robert and Narrow and you know 373 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: those dudes and when they were you know, doing the Godfather, 374 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: those were respected businessmen who are proud members of their community, 375 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: and that they did what they had to do. The 376 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: dudes I grew up with, you know what I'm saying, 377 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: Like if they had different opportunities, I'm saying, you know 378 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: how hard it is to make a million dollars on 379 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: the street when the police and everybody else is trying 380 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: to get you and you can turn off, you know, 381 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: get a million dollars like you put you in a 382 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: If they have put those dudes in a fortune five 383 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: hundred company, they would have turned it into a billionaires. 384 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: But that's not celebrated, you know what I'm saying. And 385 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: I feel like at the same time, like I think that, 386 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, I love you know, a good shoot him up. 387 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 388 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: I think that when I go, you know, I go 389 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: talk to my cousins and I talked to my boys 390 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: like you'll get caught in gang talk. We'll talk about 391 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: like the such and such, and I'm like, we do 392 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: it this hour and a half and I'm like, you 393 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, why is that not something 394 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 2: that I can be proud of and talk about and 395 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: say it's entertaining, you know what I'm saying. And if 396 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 2: it's glorifying the moments of what he's doing, usually there's 397 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: another side that you know, it's not something And I 398 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: feel like, so that's me and Katy talking about that. 399 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: I want to, you know, get into those stories I'm 400 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: doing Michael Concepcion's life story. We're top you know what 401 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying. I feel like, you know, I want to. 402 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: I want to tell those kind of stories. I feel 403 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: like they're they're ready, they're ready to be told. 404 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: There's a documentary of the Freaknik documentaries coming out from 405 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: Frank Williams. You know, you know you know anything about 406 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: that era using Atlanta at that time. I was right 407 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: there talk to us about that because I missed it. 408 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: I just like, I'm looking forward to the doc if 409 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: you haven't, did you see it? It's not out yet. 410 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: It I mean, you s, did you ever go to 411 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: freking it? I cannot explain to you really it's amazing. 412 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 2: It's like nothing. It didn't even seem real it turned 413 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: out a city back to back to back cars, everybody blasting, 414 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 2: everybody blowing, everybody trying, you know, girls doing you know, 415 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 2: wilding out, you know what I'm saying. Like, but for 416 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: three days, it's just nothing but us, Like and I 417 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 2: it seemed like it was impossible. 418 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: It seemed like this is impossible. 419 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: And then they, you know, clean up the city, like 420 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 2: and I was there when it was happening, was when 421 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: it stopped, but it was. It was crazy. So I 422 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: really want to know what this documentary is like. And I 423 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: don't really want to know if me and JD was 424 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: just talking about it like it was, you cannot explain 425 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 2: it if you didn't see it. 426 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing like it. I'm doing a project with Frank 427 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: and he was telling me like, I'm about to drop 428 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: this doc It's gonna fuck everybody up. It's like a 429 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: freaking I was like, oh shit, I ain't heard that 430 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: word just in a long time. 431 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 3: So there's no way they can recreate that. There's no way, 432 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: no way. 433 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: It's no way. 434 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 2: And the crazy part was it wasn't a lot of 435 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: like crime, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, 436 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: little places, a whole bunch of yeah, but it was 437 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: like it's just like when you go to the strip 438 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: club and you're like, yo, this shouldn't be as cool 439 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: as it is, but you get out of it. 440 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying ninety five percent of the time. Now you 441 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: go back. 442 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You go back. You know 443 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It was like, you know, you give us. 444 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: Everybody was trying to have fun. It was ny, was kids, 445 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: but it was not fun. So I felt like, I'm glad. 446 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: I got a chance to see it. That's dope. How 447 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: did you find out, Navi, get your career path and 448 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: end up what you're doing today? 449 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: God, blessings, luck work, you know what I'm saying. I 450 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: was a PA, you know what I'm saying. I was 451 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 2: picking them trash and getting people, you know, picking up 452 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: people's kids from from school and washing cars. And then 453 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: I you know, got in a writing program. I wanted 454 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: to be a director. It was too expensive to direct 455 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 2: because you had to get a camera, you had to 456 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: get you know what I'm saying. I knew what to 457 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: write as a writer. I could get through it with 458 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: a lot of time. And then TV writers are are 459 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: king you know what I'm saying, Like they and I 460 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: saw that when I was a PA, something they tell 461 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: you not to do, but I read everything that came 462 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: across my desk. So when a budget came, I was like, 463 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: oh shit, I saw what the writers were making. I 464 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: saw what they were doing. I started writing this lady 465 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 2: Felicia Henderson, who created a soul who really kind of 466 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: like took me under and helped me a lot, and 467 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 2: I just got you know, I got lucky, and I 468 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: worked really, if I'm being honest, I worked really hard, 469 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, I saw opportunity and 470 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: I went after it. Like what I'm saying, Like I 471 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: knew I wanted to fucking you know, have money. I 472 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: knew I wanted to have a life. You know what 473 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying. I wasn't. I didn't who you know what 474 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: I'm saying, I wasn't gonna make it if I if 475 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: I was in the streets. I knew that, and I 476 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 2: knew this was a version for me to sort of 477 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: have something, you know, better for myself. My wife at 478 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: the time, you know, she was fine in medical school. 479 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: I knew some nigga, but more than me was gonna 480 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: come Scooper. If I didn't you know get so I 481 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: figured I just figured my way out. 482 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: As a writer. 483 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: Well, and was there any challenges that you went through 484 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 4: and as a writer. 485 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, when I first started writing, my name is Kenya. 486 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 2: I didn't I changed my writing name to Kay Matthew. 487 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: My middle name is Matthew K. Matthews, because I didn't 488 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: want the way you get jobs as writers. You write 489 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: what was called a specscript, right, and you write a 490 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 2: script and then you show it to people and people 491 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: read it and you know, if they like your writing 492 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 2: and'll bring you in for interview. I didn't want to 493 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: say Kenya because I was like, they're going to read like, 494 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, our scripts, you know, says fade In, you know, 495 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: And I was like, they're going to read this like 496 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: fade In, Like they're gonna like they're gonna put their 497 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: own emphasis on how I'm supposed to sound whatever, and 498 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: that was and that was stupid for me to do. 499 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: But I was so turned off because they they were 500 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: the time it was on upn c W. What I'm 501 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 2: saying that we had only a few versions of what 502 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: we could be do and all that shit didn't really 503 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 2: necessarily wasn't what I wanted to do. So I was 504 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: trying to like be something else, and it didn't really 505 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: change until I started being like, yeah, I'm just gonna 506 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 2: be who I am, and if it works, it works, 507 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: it doesn't it. 508 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: You know, you wrote the show Soul Food, Girlfriends, the Game. 509 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 4: Are we there yet? How do you look on the 510 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 4: run of shows you're a part of? 511 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: I feel like for me, like I you know, Blackish 512 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: was the big break for me, of course, and I 513 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: wrote a ton of pilots, you know, nineteen pilots. Something 514 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: else said. You know, they had went to different stages 515 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: of pilots where you know, when you decide whether or 516 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: not they're gonna pick it up. Some of it went close, 517 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: some have gotten not as close. But I finally was like, 518 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm gonna write about my experience. And I 519 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: looked around and I saw my kids, and you know, 520 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: you're taught to give your kids more than you have. 521 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: But in doing that, what do you sort of lose? 522 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 523 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's what we kind of always are 524 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: struggling with. But I wrote that story Fishburn, Laurence Fishburn 525 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: really fucked with me. Aunt if really fuck with me, 526 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 2: we really got we got together. It got picked up, 527 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: and I started realizing that the for me, what I 528 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: wanted to do was like say something, and I wanted 529 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: to not say it, like I love the Coswe Show, 530 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: but the Coze Show truthfully could have been a white family. 531 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: The big thing about it was that they were black 532 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: on TV and that was a big breakthrough for us, 533 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And they had money and 534 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: they had money, you know what I'm saying That we 535 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: hadn't seen that before. But I was like, yo, I 536 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: want to write about a little bit of this experience, 537 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 2: but I don't. I want to talk about our experience 538 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: and what it's like when you get a little bit 539 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: of money but you're from this situation, but you want 540 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: to cheat you, I'm saying. And so that was, you know, 541 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: that was a different experience and that and it picked 542 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: up and that became sort of what I wanted to 543 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: do moving forward, was like how do we tell How 544 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: do I tell a version of my story or something 545 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: that I know about? And I think the thing that 546 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 2: was different for me is like and you know, I 547 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: get she get shipped for it, but I want a 548 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: lot of people to see my shit. I want black people, 549 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: I want white people, because I think the real way 550 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: we break up out is populist success. What I'm saying 551 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: we sold Blackish to FX, not was FX was the 552 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: shit at the time, and that's where I was going 553 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: to go. Everybody made offers, but FX was where I 554 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: wanted to go, and Paul Lee, who was the president 555 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: of ABC, was like sent me some things like if 556 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: you come here, I'll put you on after maddern Family, 557 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: and that for me was everything because I was like, 558 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: if we can go on, if you give me a 559 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 2: chance to play in the league next to the biggest 560 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: family comedy, then and we hold on. It changes the conversation. 561 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: You won't just say this is a little black show 562 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: and we beat Modern Family the first couple of weeks, 563 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And it was like that 564 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 2: changed the whole conversation. That made everybody start being like, 565 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 2: oh this is this is not just a black show. 566 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: It's a show that has start as black people, made 567 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: by black people, but it's a show that speaks to everybody. 568 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: And that became sort of like what I wanted to 569 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: do moving forward. I wanted to do big shit that 570 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: was for us but actually spoke to everybody because I 571 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: think you know, I'm all down for like you know this, 572 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: you know, things that are like niche and things stuff 573 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 2: like that. But I really feel like how we went 574 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: on a big stage is like we got to like 575 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: win on a big stage, you know what I'm saying. 576 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: We got to sort of get to the playoffs. We 577 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: gotta fucking you know, get to. 578 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: The award shows. 579 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: We got to really sort of step up and win it. 580 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 1: That stripe absolutely. How was was that pitch? Did that 581 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: pitch different than others because you were actually opening up 582 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: your personal life to an extent with that? 583 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was different and it was better 584 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: for me, easier, easier, and like, you can't tell me. 585 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 2: You can't really give me notes on my life to me, 586 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: you can't give me notes some of the life. And 587 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: it started being like when they would give me notes, 588 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: my little trick would be like, well, culturally speaking, they're like, yeah, yeah, 589 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: Clure speaking, you're right, Like, and I would be like, 590 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: you can't tell me about the culture and how what 591 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: I experienced. And I feel like that sort of moving 592 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 2: forward became that's what I wanted to do. You know 593 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, is like, do stuff that felt like 594 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: it's us on a bigger level, you know what I'm saying, 595 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: Like I'm the rich Parulk thing like one of the movies. 596 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: In the movie, one of the things we talk about 597 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: is the NBA is ninety six percent African American workforce, 598 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And maybe it's dropped a 599 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 2: little bit since we did the thing. And the only 600 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: they get to own a team had to be the 601 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan of basketball to own a team, you know 602 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like that doesn't make any sense. You 603 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, It doesn't make any sense. And 604 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: I feel like the notion of you know, they love us, 605 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: they love our culture, they love they Even in the 606 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 2: comedy I just did, there's never been it was one 607 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: hundred million move there never had been a major comedy 608 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: about what that was directed by a black person. 609 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, why, that's what I'm saying. 610 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 2: I loved him story, love the but like they didn't 611 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: get a chance to do that big every think. I'm like, 612 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 2: but you'll eat up Kevin Hart, You'll eat up Dave Chapelle, 613 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: you eat up Anie Murphy, you'll eat up you know, 614 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: Chris Rock, But like you won't let us tell our 615 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: own stories. And so I'm like, you know, that was 616 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: a big opportunity for me. 617 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: So obviously see Blackish is greenlit. How did how did 618 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: that cast come about? Because that was a pretty it 619 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: was a special cast. 620 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: That was magic. I'm sure y'all I always do basketball knowledge, 621 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: but I'm sure y'all been on teams and you're like, 622 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: this shit just happened. 623 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: It was supposed to happen. 624 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: There's moments where you're like, you can't explain it, like 625 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: just everything started, you know, happening. You know what I'm saying. 626 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: I feel like Marseille, you just knew when she walked 627 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: in the room, like she just was like this little 628 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: girl with glasses that just blew up. Marcus Yarra, Tracy. 629 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: I've worked with Tracy before, but like people they were like, 630 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: where'd you discover this girl? Was like she just had 631 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: three hundred episodes on girlfriends, like and they didn't even 632 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: know who she was. That's how little they look at us. 633 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: You know, I'm saying, that's crazy, But like everybody you know, 634 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: and I think Fish was the fish and ant where 635 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 2: the Lynchin's but Lawren's fishburnt. Coming to do TV nobody 636 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: has really seen him do that, and he made everybody 637 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: you know, when they came to work, it was worktime. 638 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: So you know that. I think that was it was 639 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: really destined to be. And you know, from the moment 640 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 2: we started shooting the pilot, I felt like that was 641 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: something different. 642 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: You go into black af and experienced success with that. 643 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: What was that like? 644 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: It was not what I expected. I wasn't going to 645 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: be in it. Rashida was my homegirl. She was a 646 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: big deal. She asked. She told me. She was like, 647 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: I think you should do this. She's like, I think 648 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: this should be your curb. You're Larry David. 649 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: She's like, we don't get to do that. 650 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. People don't get to see 651 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 2: that there's a real black dude behind this. And she 652 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not an active but she like 653 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: walked me through it. I would be doing scenes and 654 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: she like, you know, stop and she'd be like, you know, 655 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: people have to be able to understand what you're saying, right, 656 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: And I'm like, Okay, you know what I'm saying. 657 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: She would help me through it. 658 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: But it changed my life because it was it went 659 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 2: from being behind the scenes and whatever to people actually 660 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: seeing me in front of the camera and seeing like 661 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: that was at my real house. You know what I'm saying, 662 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: seeing you know, a version of what my life was 663 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: was like, you know, it's the thing. When I'm out, 664 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: people will come up and be like, well when season two, 665 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: I guess the the thing, like I get the most 666 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: sort of love from even though it wasn't critics didn't 667 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: like it, just like I feel like, you know, it 668 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: was a lot of people that from the culture that 669 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: really responded to it, and I feel like it changed 670 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: my life. 671 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: Got a chance to work with the legendary Sammy Jackson 672 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: with Cheft. What was that like, I. 673 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: Mean, he's a beast. He's a beast. He comes to play, 674 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like he literally when you 675 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: eat steps on the thing, like he'll eat you up 676 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: if you're not ready, you know what I'm saying. He 677 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: was Tim story directed it, so you know him and 678 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: Tim were in any place, but like he came, I 679 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: feel like it was still that was one of the 680 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: cricket critics didn't love, but it was one of my 681 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: favorite comedies. I feel like he was hilarious. When the 682 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: critics came out, they were like, you know, this is 683 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: toxic masculinity. I'm like, yo, this is shaft. I should 684 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: have called it shaft toxic masculinity. Like that's what it was, 685 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, But it wasn't, you know it was? 686 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I I don't even look 687 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: at reviews and stuff anymore. I feel like it's the 688 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: stuff that gets great reviews and stuff. Sometimes I'm not 689 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: as happy about the stuff that doesn't get reviews. 690 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: It was funny to me. I laughed, my ass I 691 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: laughed my ass off. 692 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah it was. He's funny. And I feel like the 693 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: kid Jesse, you played this something? 694 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: He killed it? Yeah he killed it. Yeah he killed it. 695 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: Yeah he killed it. From two different worlds, but they 696 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: messed good together on camera. 697 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sam seventy years. 698 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: You know, you know, you know my girl was on 699 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: the beginning of that movie who Gina? 700 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: Oh, I love her, So she had to beg she 701 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 4: had to begin and saying we'll be working together in 702 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 4: the piece. 703 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: She's the best. Yeah, she really really is. 704 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 4: How is your from you starting off to now, how 705 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 4: is your storytelling change? 706 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: I think it's more honest. I think I care a 707 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: little bit less, you know, what I'm saying. What people think, Yeah, 708 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: I think like you know, it's it's a little bit 709 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: more like, you know, I'm a little bit more like 710 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: I won't say confident, but I'm like, I'm if it 711 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: doesn't work, I can take I can. I haven't put 712 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: up a lot of bricks, so I feel like I 713 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: can put the shooter take my shots. You know what 714 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 2: I'm saying in a different way that not I'm not 715 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: as careful with them as I was before. And I 716 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: think you know you've earned that. You know what I'm saying, 717 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: you know what you're doing now. I think so, I 718 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: think you can say that. I think so, I think 719 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: that you know what I'm saying. I feel like if 720 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I think I got to I 721 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: get a little bit of a few misses, you know 722 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, so low and I and I also, 723 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: you know, feel like I get a chance to I'm 724 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: seeing Ray I'm saying, you know, Courtney, Courtney Camp. I'm saying, 725 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: lean away from seeing Ryan Coogler. I'm saying all this, 726 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: you know, younger like, and I'm loving them and like 727 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: different than to be honest, like when I was coming up, 728 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: like I didn't have like a lot of people who like, were. 729 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: There any enough to cut you up? But were there 730 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: people you could look up to that look like you? 731 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: There are people I could look up to, but they 732 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: weren't really fucking with me, you know what I'm saying, 733 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: Like they want, you know, like because it was a 734 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 2: little bit more crabs in a barrel kind of intell 735 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: because it was so few, they made us feel like. 736 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: That ye had not with each other you did. And 737 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: now I. 738 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: Feel like the younger generation is like they show up, 739 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like me and will packer cool? 740 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: If I call Leana, if I call you, if I 741 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: call you know, Eva, if I call like, they'll show up. 742 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. They're not showing up asking 743 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: for a check. I'm gonna try to get them a check, 744 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But then it's not about that. 745 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: It's like they don't gonna show it for them. And 746 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: I think that's a different situation. 747 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: Than we have before. Enough for all of us. 748 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: It is, I would Bridge Fauls like we're sarting just 749 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,239 Speaker 2: in general, like the contracts cats are getting now, Like 750 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 2: it's it to me if you I saw that this 751 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: last year looking at that the first like ten to 752 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: fifteen contracts. Like if you have dudes who have tuned 753 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: and fifteen million dollar contracts, you know what I'm saying, 754 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: what's you're worth in credit? And what your you know 755 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Where you can get five of those 756 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: dudes together and with they can buy a team, shut 757 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 2: it down, you know what I'm saying. But they have 758 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: to be told that. 759 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 760 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: Like we're in a position now where like the bag 761 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: is different, you know what I'm saying. And it's about 762 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: ownership and it's about like I think that you know, 763 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: I looked at like, you know, golf is the whitest, 764 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: oldest you know what I'm saying, supposed to be. The 765 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 2: Saudias came in and they bought golf. 766 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 767 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 2: They came in and was like they bought that shit, 768 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: and I'm like, yo, like we got money, Like why 769 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: can't we go in you know what I'm saying, next 770 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: do our own expansions? Why do we have to compete? 771 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, And people who don't look 772 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: like us get to own the teams and we can 773 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: you know, put the you know, put our money together, 774 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: go to finance and go to capitol and literally own 775 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: our own teams. I feel like it has to the 776 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: next five or ten years. We got to see that quadruple. 777 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: But it's got to be that more more of that 778 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: thinking though, because we don't even think like that. We're 779 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: so used to coming up by ourselves that we don't 780 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: realize that. Obviously, the fist is stronger than the finger, 781 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We could do anything together 782 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: anything Literally. 783 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: Twitter is black Twitter. Why don't we own black Twitter? 784 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like Twitter's not Twitter wouldn't 785 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: be fun if it won't with the black people, know 786 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So why don't we own our own Twitter? 787 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Why do we keep you 788 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like we have all this and 789 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 2: we do this, all the memes, all the funny shiites 790 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: on there. Why don't we own our own ship? You 791 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I feel like just having 792 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 2: those conversations and getting around, you know, other dudes who 793 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: have you know, some means I think that the conversation 794 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: will and stuff was gonna change pretty soon. 795 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 4: Three pot question, what piece of advice would you would 796 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 4: you give to spying actor today? 797 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: Myself? Are you do you want to ask? I started, really, 798 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: what are you doing? I did? I did it? 799 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 4: So on with the Thomas Jones, they got to show 800 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 4: that they're doing. I'm not really supposed to say it, 801 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 4: but I'm telling you, y'all can edit this out on 802 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 4: what's uh don't let mean he'll come to him again. 803 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 4: But I did it like three weeks ago my first 804 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 4: cameo in the TV series that he got. 805 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: I it's crazy you said that because you waking up 806 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: in the morning and the Reveland sleet and just talking. 807 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a naturalness to what you do. And 808 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he could do it, you know what 809 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I feel like that's the serious you 810 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like it's it's funny, but it's real. 811 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: And the one they could tell you that too, you 812 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. 813 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 2: I feel like that's the ship that like you know that, Pops, 814 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 2: I feel like we don't have enough. That's the thing 815 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 2: that like there's this there's this movie, this series out 816 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: beef right now, and it's a Ali Wong and forget 817 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 2: the other dude's named John True. I want to say, John, 818 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: I don't want it, but it's phenomenal. But the dude 819 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 2: who blows me away is this dude, David Joe who's 820 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 2: in it. He was an artist and he's the dude 821 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: who did a piece in Facebook's office and they said 822 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 2: you can get sixty thousand dollars where we can give 823 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: you stock, and he took the stock and the stock 824 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 2: is worth like five hundred million dollars from so he 825 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 2: but he's the most not He's just natural, and you 826 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: can't you can't bind natural. Mike Epps natural, you know 827 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like there's actors. Chappelle doesn't even do jokes. 828 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 2: What I'm saying, you've ever talked with Chappelle, it's you 829 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Exactly what you get when you 830 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: hang out with him is what he does and does himself. 831 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 2: So I think that part of it. So I would 832 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: say my advisive actors is, are you an actor who 833 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: really really really needs, you know, acting class and you 834 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 2: know everyone needs to understand it. But I think sometimes 835 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 2: acting class for me can can take away that natural 836 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: ability because you're trying to like fit into an envelope 837 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: or a checklist that may not be you. You know 838 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I feel like there's something about you know, 839 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 2: real stars. You know Robert de Niro, Pacino, Cloning. They're 840 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: the same dudes basically every movie. You know what I'm saying, 841 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: real stars, you buy them. You know what I'm saying, Like, 842 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 2: you're buying them every movie. They're a version of that movie. 843 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 2: There's actors, it's Phillip Seymour Hoffman, and there's you know, 844 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: great character actors, and those dudes are different. They can 845 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 2: do something. But I feel like a real star sometimes 846 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: you're buying them. And so you ask yourself an actor, 847 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: are you a star or you're an actor? You know 848 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So that was my my advice. 849 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a star. 850 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: As going to start a long time. 851 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to start a long time. 852 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: And my hands anything, Weddy. What would tell a writer 853 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: writer's right, Wright's right? Right? Is right? 854 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: It's nothing more like if you're a writer, you write, 855 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 2: and you keep writing. You know what I'm saying, And 856 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, If it don't work, you 857 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 2: keep writing something else. Like that's the there's no there's 858 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 2: no other advice writer's right, cause you get back. I 859 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,439 Speaker 2: look back at the ship I wrote twenty years ago 860 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you know what I'm saying. And 861 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: then I look at stuff now and I'm like, oh, 862 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: I can take that two years. I can rewrite it. 863 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 2: But like, you keep getting better. You know what I'm saying. 864 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: It's you know, you know from the time you hoop, 865 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, to when you start hooping 866 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 2: to when you find I tell people I was talking 867 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 2: to talking, they were talking about Kenny Lofton came in. 868 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 2: Somebody in the room was like, yeah, but they only 869 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 2: played six dudes about I'm like this nigga put up 870 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: forty two points. Like I don't care how many people 871 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: I'm saying he put Like he put up forty two points. Period, 872 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 2: he got game. I'm like most of the dudes that 873 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: people call bombs, I'm like, if they went to the 874 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 2: best wreck run in the world, they put two hundred. 875 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: Points, everybody on the bench can bust your ass two hundred. 876 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 2: I'm like, literally, I went to a run ten years 877 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 2: ago with Mitch Richmond, fat out of shape. I think 878 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 2: it was shooting blindfold from Half Courts. What I'm saying, 879 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: I'm like the the idea of when you really know 880 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 2: your craft different him saying, you really do it and 881 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 2: you put those shots up. The bummy snak on the 882 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: NBA team is better than you. So I feel like 883 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: the same thing with a writer. If you keep writing 884 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 2: and keep writing and keep writing, I feel like you 885 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 2: get better and better and better to the point where 886 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: you you know, you feel confident with it. Your master director, 887 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: it's it's confidence. It's all like that's it's either you know, 888 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: kill or be killed. You know what I'm saying. When 889 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: you when you get behind a camera to direct, it 890 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 2: is they have to trust that you know what you're doing. 891 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 2: And the moment that you show any bit of weakness, 892 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, they will eat you up. 893 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: I was on that set and it was Eddie Murphy, 894 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: Johnny Hill, Julie's Dreyfus, all these you know what I'm saying, 895 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 2: David du coompany Nia Long and it was a moment 896 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 2: like we were in between season and they were talking 897 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: and they like and I was trying to like start 898 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: to seeing them talking, and I just fucking flipped out 899 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 2: and Lauren was like, oh, bro's about the spiral, like 900 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 2: a spiraling and I was like, yo, I'm not. 901 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm not the fucking substitute teacher. 902 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 2: You know, a somebstitute teacher comes to everybody's talking, and 903 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 2: I like, if I can, you know, slipped out and 904 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: they kind of like Eddie was like, huh substituture. I 905 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 2: get that, So I kind of like but it was 906 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 2: a moment of respect what I'm saying and like, and 907 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 2: they all at that point wanted me to win. But 908 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: that's the thing with directing, like you gotta be the 909 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 2: general and the moment they sense any weakness, you gotta 910 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: know what you want. You gotta have a plan, and 911 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: you got to really make them feel because you know, 912 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: they got to trust you. They putting their face there, 913 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. They got to trusted with that. 914 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 2: You're not putting up a brick, you know what I'm saying. 915 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 2: So responsibility, I think that would be my thing is like, 916 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 2: you know, be confident. 917 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: What was like Cutty? 918 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 2: I think you know it's it's crazy. I'm I'm a 919 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 2: fan cut He's you know, my brother. I feel like 920 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 2: what he did in some aspects for music, people don't 921 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 2: give him. You know, Travis Scott is Travis Scott because 922 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 2: of Scott must Study. That's where the Scott and his 923 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: name came from. You what I'm saying, Like he created like. 924 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: A whole brand talent of super. 925 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 2: Emo rap or like you know what I'm saying, Like whatever, 926 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 2: I feel like it's not for everybody, but I was 927 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 2: really surprised as an actor, Like he came. Animation is hard, 928 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And he came and like, 929 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 2: you know, fucking what's his name? That ty Dallas heiin 930 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 2: ty Dallas he murdered. I got people that you would 931 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 2: never think I'm saying. I'm like, yo, it was real talented. 932 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 2: So I feel like, you know, the music cut he 933 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 2: put put together an album. He held the album for 934 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: two years. That's hard to do because everybody wants to 935 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 2: put out money than when get their streams. He held 936 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 2: that album for two years. That's how only it took 937 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 2: the animate you know whatever it came out. I still 938 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 2: think we're going to be getting them conversation. I'm saying, 939 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people really responding to it, you know, 940 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 2: and it was you know, it was animation, and we 941 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: don't get a chance to do the animation. I'm doing 942 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 2: the Bob Marley like, uh, it's called you know, one 943 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 2: Love and I'm doing Bob Marley animated animated movie for 944 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 2: Disney right now. It's the first time the family ever 945 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 2: gave all the music do it. And it's like a 946 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 2: love letter, Like how Mawana was a love letter in 947 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 2: the South Pacific. It's a love letter to Jamaica. 948 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. 949 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 2: It's animated, and I feel like animation lasts forever if 950 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 2: you do which it's trees in there, Okay, we can't. 951 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's that's that's part of their culture. 952 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 2: Right. Good. You can't take it's it's not and we're 953 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 2: seeing that now. I'm saying, I'm looking at all this 954 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 2: stuff that like, you know, it's crazy. Paul Pierced yesterday, 955 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 2: you know, had his interview, came out and he was like, 956 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 2: what did I do wrong? 957 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: Right? 958 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 2: He was talking about the things I loved him. It 959 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 2: made me think, what did he do wrong? In the 960 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 2: big scheme? I understand the morals claus and things like that, 961 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: but he had a point. He's he's in California, he's 962 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 2: enjoying himself. Weed is legal it's his birthday. It's his birthday. 963 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 2: He's playing cards with his boys. He didn't do anything, 964 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 2: there was no guns in the thing, whatever he's doing. 965 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 2: But I feel like those conversations are like we gotta 966 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like why is the teaching KHN 967 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 2: can be this or this person can do that, but 968 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 2: like if we what I'm saying, like this is legal, 969 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 2: I'm glad they took weed off the table for the 970 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 2: NBA because I feel like. 971 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: Why is. 972 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, but like, why is that 973 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying something that I feel like, 974 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 2: I don't you know what I'm saying? I fuck we 975 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 2: hearing it, but it don't. It's not good for me 976 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 2: in terms of writing because I can't focus, but I 977 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 2: feel like, you know, it's so much should I've been 978 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 2: reading just about like The Help and if it's I 979 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 2: was reading stuff, but just like dreads, like people have 980 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 2: been talking about like forever, the Rosters were talking about 981 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 2: their dreads is their antenna and to connect them and 982 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 2: they kind of sound like there's some hotel like bullshit. 983 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 2: I was reading someone on my trip and hair is 984 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 2: an extension of our nervous system and that's a scientific 985 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 2: fact that they do not tell you that. And then 986 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 2: one of the reasons that they started studying that is 987 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 2: like in Vietnam and Korea, like Indians Native Americans are 988 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 2: amazing trackers, right, They you know, can go track animals, 989 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 2: track people or whatever. And so the government was giving 990 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 2: out grants and getting Indian trackers to come help them 991 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 2: when we were going fighting these wars and foliage or whatever, right, 992 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 2: and they can find anything. They were amazing. But once 993 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 2: they sat down, they sat down and they gave them 994 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,479 Speaker 2: the standard the lostpartments across the country, Like we don't 995 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 2: feel the same. 996 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: And that's what made them start researching. 997 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 2: And they found that it was our hair is a 998 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 2: part of like how we it has like you know, 999 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 2: that's why your hair on your arms raised, because it's 1000 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 2: a part of your your nervous system. And I felt like, 1001 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 2: you know, we used to get sweated for, like the 1002 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 2: Crown Actor is the thing we used to get sweated 1003 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 2: because we want to wear our hairlong, we want to 1004 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 2: put our hair in braids, like all the things that 1005 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 2: I feel like we have been having to fight for. 1006 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 2: It's like there's always I'm not a conspiracy, there's but 1007 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 2: there's always something behind that conversation that I feel like 1008 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 2: we if we dig a little bit further, it's like, 1009 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 2: maybe there's something else we. 1010 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 3: Don't know that's interesting. 1011 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 4: That's a good thing while we have people like you, 1012 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,439 Speaker 4: because you understand it. Can't nobody tell our stories better 1013 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 4: than we can tell them. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1014 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,479 Speaker 4: And a lot of stuff will get twisted the wrong 1015 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 4: way if they told another way, because it's no way 1016 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 4: you can tell a bib Mar story without the tree, right, 1017 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 4: But only we can tell that story, can't Nobody else 1018 00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,839 Speaker 4: said that they wouldn't tell it the way we would 1019 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 4: tell right. 1020 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 2: I agree, And they've and and other people have been 1021 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 2: allowed to tell our stories too long, for too long. 1022 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 2: The dudes who wrote the New Roots, White dudes, they 1023 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 2: also wrote Planet of the Apes, which is the irony 1024 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 2: of that is fucking crazy. And I'm like, would I 1025 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 2: ever be allowed to write something that was you know, 1026 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,879 Speaker 2: significant to other people that I'm saying and a culture thing? 1027 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 2: I don't know that I would, you know what I'm saying. 1028 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that we get those same opportunities. So 1029 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, when we do get our 1030 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 2: opportunities we need to make sure we tell them the 1031 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 2: right way. 1032 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 3: It's like write Titanic, yeah, or me writing something. 1033 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I feel like if I 1034 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 2: wrote word for word the best version of that movie, 1035 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 2: I still wouldn't it would be, like I was, it 1036 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 2: would be looked at as disrespectful. What I'm saying doesn't 1037 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 2: matter if it's a really good script or not. It 1038 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 2: be looked disrespectful. And I feel like, but it's not sold. 1039 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: That's not looked at the same way when they want 1040 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 2: to write our movies, and I feel like, you know, 1041 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,319 Speaker 2: we have to sort of we got a certain point. 1042 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 2: We got to sort of take control of our own narrative. 1043 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: Good point, quick hitters man. First thing to come to mind. 1044 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: Let us know the most meaningful film or memorable film 1045 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: or show that influenced you. 1046 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 2: Jerry Maguire was a big one for me, you know 1047 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,839 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I like the way Cameron Crowe told 1048 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 2: that story and told, you know, put me inside what 1049 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 2: the agent was, put me inside that world. 1050 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 5: I was. 1051 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 2: I still I like voiceover a lot, and I think 1052 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 2: he used voiceover and stuff like that. So that's a 1053 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 2: big That was a big one for me. 1054 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 5: First thing you do in the morning, last thing you 1055 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 5: do at night, first thing in the morning. When I 1056 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 5: wake up, I say thank you for thank you for 1057 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 5: giving me another day. I'm I'm a big go to 1058 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 5: sleep for TV fans. What I'm saying so, I probably 1059 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 5: just fall asleep watching question TV. 1060 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: I want to ask, because you're definitely a movie in TV. Dude, 1061 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: this is not even on the list. But what shows 1062 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: you watching right now? 1063 00:46:51,880 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 2: Secession is crazy? I like, I was watching Beef, I was. 1064 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,640 Speaker 2: I was loving Snowfall for a while. I think it 1065 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 2: kind of took it took a turn. I'm sorry, bro, 1066 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 2: are you caught Are you caught up with it? 1067 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,240 Speaker 1: You caught up? You stopped? I stopped. 1068 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 2: I keep going, all right? Damn since my boy and 1069 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 2: all the peoples, my boy, it was it went crazy 1070 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 2: all of a sudden. You know what I'm saying this 1071 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 2: thinking had a real estate company and was like like 1072 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 2: a new woman and I'm just like, hold on what 1073 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:27,879 Speaker 2: you know I'm saying. 1074 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: So, but I'm gonna go back if but the woman 1075 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: plays a key part in what's going on. 1076 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 2: Now, Okay, I gotta go back with power. And you know, 1077 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 2: I like a lot of documentaries, but also, you know, 1078 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 2: because I want to keep I watched you for you. 1079 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,240 Speaker 2: I know dope. 1080 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: I think watch the first come back on is y'all 1081 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: Son good Man, that ship fire? Is it watched in 1082 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: the world? That ship is fire. 1083 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 4: I don't watch it like that. I don't watch it 1084 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,720 Speaker 4: like that to be hon is, I don't. 1085 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't. 1086 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 4: But let me tell you why you got me. When 1087 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 4: I seen they handling everything like we would like over land. 1088 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 4: You come on my land, I ain't gonna I'm gonna 1089 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 4: go hang you right here on my land. I'm gonna 1090 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 4: shoot you and all my sons know to kill you. No, 1091 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 4: it's dope, and his sister is crazy. I sent her 1092 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 4: to college just so she can come back and terrorize 1093 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 4: all y'all with us smart now it's dope. And Kevin 1094 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 4: Coustlin it plays like he's a mob b. 1095 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: It's dope. 1096 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,800 Speaker 4: It's dope, and like I said again, I don't watch 1097 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 4: it like that, but it's dope. 1098 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 2: I love that. That's what I want. That's why I 1099 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 2: want people to say that about shit that I do like, 1100 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 2: I don't watch this, but I think that's that's when 1101 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,720 Speaker 2: you know something really well. 1102 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: To the point where I watched eighteen. It's two more 1103 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: of them. 1104 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 4: It's nineteen twenty five and the eighteen twenty three, but 1105 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 4: it's all built up to the. 1106 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: Same shit about how they got the land. Yeah. I 1107 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: watched all of them, okay, and that ain't my ship, 1108 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: but that shit was good. 1109 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,680 Speaker 2: So that dude wrote Taylor Sheridan, and he wrote one 1110 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,359 Speaker 2: of my He wrote this movie Hell or High Water, 1111 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 2: and that movie was like one of my favorite favorite movies. 1112 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 2: So I was said, I was gonna watch House, but 1113 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 2: then it just felt too CBS is to me. It 1114 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 2: was the one where they were bank robbers. It was 1115 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 2: him and it was Chris Pine and I forget the 1116 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 2: other dude's name, but they played bank robber. 1117 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Ben Foster, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like being Foster. 1118 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 2: He's dope. 1119 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: Out of all the sets you worked on, someone that 1120 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: would do a practical joke or a prank, who was 1121 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 1: the funny guy on set, Dion and. 1122 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,919 Speaker 2: Cole, He's funny, funny in real life. 1123 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: His stand ups classics. He got one some of the 1124 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,240 Speaker 1: best stand. 1125 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 2: Ups I produced this first Netflix special and it was 1126 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 2: I was one of the priest moments. 1127 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,439 Speaker 1: I like, what was that one called dope? 1128 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 2: Co Cole hearted similar slap yeah yeah, yes, slap slap 1129 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 2: yeah yeah, that's what's the stand for again? Sound like 1130 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 2: a player. He talked about megas how back, how black 1131 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 2: people always want to get the bones out of fish, 1132 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:01,919 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 1133 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: And his character on Blackish was classic. 1134 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 2: Yo. The way that happened was I asked him to 1135 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 2: come on as a writer because he's his pen is crazy. 1136 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 2: He wrote for Conan. He writes his own I'm saying, 1137 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 2: like his the way his mind, his humor is different, 1138 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 2: it's different. So I asked him come on this writer. 1139 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 2: He couldn't get out of it, and I was like, Yo, 1140 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 2: I have this role, would you come just you know, 1141 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 2: fuck around it? And he murdered it and I was like, oh, 1142 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 2: we got to immediately make him a regular. You know 1143 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He went and just like he was 1144 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 2: just my boy, and he's one of those dudes. He's 1145 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,400 Speaker 2: Chicago dude. The way he presents is what he is. 1146 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. There's no other and I 1147 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 2: love that. 1148 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: I love like you. 1149 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 2: What I'm saying that when you meet people, who they 1150 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 2: are is who they are. I feel like he's not 1151 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,799 Speaker 2: almost tinking of people with different settings. He changes who 1152 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,839 Speaker 2: he is who he is. 1153 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: I can respect people like that, and. 1154 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 2: I want to just I got to say, I love 1155 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 2: your podcast. I'm doing podcasts podcast when I want Weezy. 1156 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 2: He would kill me is thing drama. We have the 1157 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 2: dramas doing a podcast on hip hop right now. He's 1158 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 2: about to go do Pharrell. I am a huge fan 1159 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 2: of what y'all have done and seeing y'all build, like 1160 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,880 Speaker 2: I'm learning, not been that you know me, and not 1161 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,840 Speaker 2: been trying to figure this out, but I'm learning just 1162 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 2: watching y'all be y'all you know what I'm saying. 1163 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: And it started off just like what is this? 1164 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 2: And then it started growing and I think it's because 1165 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 2: y'all are real and you know what I'm saying. You know, 1166 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 2: you actually make people feel comfortable and that's like, so 1167 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 2: that part for me, I'm learning, you know, as I 1168 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 2: get into it, I'm trying to look around and see 1169 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 2: who I can learn from. So drama has that, Yeah, 1170 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 2: he does, he got that. He does his albums. I'm 1171 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 2: really like that and he really is like that. 1172 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 4: Five movies, just five movies that that should never be remade. 1173 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 2: Paintingful, don't don't do it. 1174 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: They mastered, They up Belly when they tried to do. 1175 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 2: That with belly paintingful Casino, nice, good fellasas and let 1176 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:12,439 Speaker 2: We Do Our Own. 1177 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: That was a great version. Yes, that was That was 1178 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: a great version for them. 1179 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 2: Don't don't don't, I want to say, but they're doing it. 1180 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 2: I'm scared because I love and she's my girl, So 1181 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 2: don't be man, But I'm I love color purple. Do 1182 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 2: that they're doing over my girls doing this and Blitz 1183 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 2: is a great director. But I'm I'm it was. It's 1184 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,399 Speaker 2: crazy about how good that movie was. Yes, so they 1185 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 2: have a lot on their shoulders, and I believe the 1186 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 2: people were doing anything're gonna do it over. But that 1187 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,759 Speaker 2: was one of my favorite to me, that arguably is 1188 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 2: one of the favorite best black movies, even though Scholberger 1189 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 2: made it one of the best Black. 1190 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 1: Everybody cried watching it. 1191 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,399 Speaker 2: Everybody. Everybody cried, everybody sugavery and just every It made 1192 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:04,919 Speaker 2: so many oprah, I'm saying, made everybody everybody stars. That's 1193 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,560 Speaker 2: four and I mean, this will never happen. But my 1194 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 2: favorite sports movie on he Got Game. You know what 1195 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying. I feel like it was it was crazy, 1196 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,319 Speaker 2: you know, what I'm saying, like what Ray did, and 1197 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,439 Speaker 2: but that's an example of a director and editing. I'm 1198 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 2: sure Ray wasn't that. I'm positive. I'm positive, you know 1199 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He was getting through lines here and there. 1200 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 2: But what Spike did and why he let him and 1201 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 2: what he made in the edit, it was a masterpiece. 1202 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 2: From that opening, you know, Terence Blanchow, I think that 1203 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680 Speaker 2: it's slow and it's people hooping all over the country. 1204 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 2: It was a masterpiece. 1205 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: Five Dinner Guests, Dead or Alive? You plus five? 1206 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 2: Jay, I'm still good. I still think Jay got some 1207 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 2: stuff to tell me. Malcolm Gladwell, m who's that he 1208 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 2: wrote a book? He's if you all of his books tonight, 1209 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,120 Speaker 2: he wrote up one of the best one was Outliers, 1210 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,800 Speaker 2: was a good one. He was the one who started 1211 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,880 Speaker 2: coining the ten thousand hour rule. You know what I'm saying. Whatever. 1212 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 2: He wrote another one called Blink, you know what I'm saying. 1213 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,320 Speaker 2: But anyway, he's a he's just he does interesting things. 1214 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 2: James Baldwin, Malcolm X, and Michael Jordan. 1215 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 4: Last question, Chief, If you could have a guest on 1216 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,319 Speaker 4: our show, who would it be? 1217 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 3: But you have to help us get him on your show, But. 1218 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: Do you realize how deep his Rolodex phone book goes? Yeah? 1219 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if I could have a guest or show, 1220 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's crazy. 1221 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,919 Speaker 1: Who needs to be on this show? Who? Kanye? Yeah? 1222 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: We need we got some stuff to talk about. 1223 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,240 Speaker 2: I think that I think that you could. I honestly 1224 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 2: think that I'm gonna speak completely honest. I think that 1225 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 2: he has things that he probably, you know, emotionally, like 1226 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,080 Speaker 2: you know, from a real standpoint, I think we don't 1227 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 2: we don't get the same love when people are like, 1228 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, there's certain illness and things 1229 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,439 Speaker 2: like that, and he has moments I think he would 1230 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 2: say that. But I also think that he is miss 1231 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,239 Speaker 2: is misguided, you know what I'm saying. And I think 1232 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 2: that he has a he has a delivery problem more 1233 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 2: than a content you know what I'm saying. How he 1234 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,839 Speaker 2: delivers things, and and he's sort of like I feel 1235 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 2: like he's not study enough. But I think that there 1236 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,520 Speaker 2: is the idea that there's a genius there. And I 1237 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 2: think that he went the hate speech that he was talking, 1238 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 2: he was miss he was misguided, you know what I'm saying, 1239 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 2: And he was. 1240 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan bro, and I would love to 1241 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 4: have him on the show. You know, just the things 1242 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 4: he said about George Floyd. That's what triggered me. 1243 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: And that's that triggered me. 1244 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,880 Speaker 2: Everything else, but that was a that was you know, 1245 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,240 Speaker 2: and I feel like we as a as a culture, 1246 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 2: to be honest with you. I have a barbera cust 1247 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,279 Speaker 2: my hair. She was on a movie. So I started 1248 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,880 Speaker 2: going to a barbershop every now and then. And I 1249 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 2: missed those barbershop conversations because the best conversations. And when 1250 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 2: you get money, niggas stopped going to the show. And 1251 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 2: I'm saying, and you missed those conversations. But I went 1252 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 2: in the shop and I literally called Richard Love of 1253 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 2: my agent. I was like, can I get Adam Silver 1254 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,839 Speaker 2: on the phone? Because it was the same time they 1255 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,400 Speaker 2: were sweating Kyrie and I was like, Yo, this is 1256 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,680 Speaker 2: too much. This seems like you're trying to coo to 1257 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,600 Speaker 2: Kinte Tobias. You know what I'm saying. I was like, 1258 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 2: he said, he's sorry, you know what I'm saying. 1259 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,920 Speaker 1: Like, I was like, I got a chance to talk 1260 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: to Adam Silver. 1261 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,000 Speaker 2: I tried to you know what I'm saying, But the 1262 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,360 Speaker 2: message you got to him. I was like, I'm not 1263 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 2: even sure this nigga watched the documentary. You know what 1264 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 2: I'm saying. This nigga's uncle probably was like he probably 1265 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like that's how should go, you know 1266 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I was like, he's a flat Earth. 1267 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying, like this dude's not a scientist. You know 1268 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like he's he's a dude. Like you 1269 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,399 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. We're taking way too much, giving 1270 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 2: him way too much credit. And at the same time, 1271 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 2: I feel like someone needs When Charlie Sheen was in trouble, 1272 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,520 Speaker 2: there was people reaching out to him, you know what 1273 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 2: I'm saying, or people reaching out to him. I feel 1274 00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,839 Speaker 2: like the idea of I don't think that we had 1275 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 2: enough outreach and what we should have done to me 1276 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 2: personally as a culture. When Kanye says slavery was a choice, 1277 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 2: why didn't we fucking have a talk with him? Why 1278 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,600 Speaker 2: didn't we cancel him? If there was a cancel, which 1279 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,440 Speaker 2: I don't really believe in that ship, But if we're 1280 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:15,879 Speaker 2: going to do that, why didn't we do it? Why 1281 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 2: do we wait and let somebody else keep saying, do 1282 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 2: the choice the decision that we did. You know what 1283 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying. When George Floyd, when that's when I ignorant, 1284 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 2: that statement was said, Why didn't we fucking step up? 1285 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,720 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, And then we get mad 1286 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,560 Speaker 2: when other people do it. Adidas has every fucking right 1287 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 2: to drop him. That's that's their that's their job. Yes, 1288 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,640 Speaker 2: they're right, and they choose to do that. But when 1289 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 2: we when he said that, why didn't we have a conversation? 1290 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,479 Speaker 2: Why didn't we pull him aside? Why didn't we stop 1291 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,480 Speaker 2: showing up to the concerts? Why didn't we? And why 1292 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 2: don't we check each other and police ourselves? Why do 1293 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,080 Speaker 2: we get mad when the other people police us, but 1294 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 2: we don't police ourselves? And why don't we big up ourselves? 1295 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,600 Speaker 2: Why don't we when the Immature Awards comes? 1296 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:51,760 Speaker 1: Why? 1297 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 2: Why is the Immagure Wars not as big as the Oscars? 1298 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 2: Why don't we take that Immature Wars and make them 1299 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 2: as big as the Oscars? Why don't we make our 1300 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 2: ship up where everybody who is somebody in our community, 1301 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 2: we show up, we put on the penguin suits, and 1302 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 2: we make that something we're proud of. 1303 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,720 Speaker 4: Same thing I we preaching without a game. We need 1304 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,320 Speaker 4: to make that an office game just as big as 1305 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 4: the McDonald's game. Why why not? It makes more sense. 1306 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 2: I don't understand why we don't value each other, ourselves 1307 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 2: and our place and things. You know what I'm saying. 1308 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 2: We do not allow ourselves to say, you know what, 1309 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 2: we are the number one consumer. 1310 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 1311 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 2: Without us, indeed, it's is about to fold. You know 1312 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,880 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. You know 1313 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,680 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like you know the idea of like 1314 00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,600 Speaker 2: what we can do. But we can't just let this 1315 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 2: nigga get on there and say flavory is a choice 1316 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,760 Speaker 2: and then and not say nothing, you know what I'm saying, 1317 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,200 Speaker 2: and then complain when someone else did we that was 1318 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 2: our responsibility. You know what I'm saying. They took they 1319 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,560 Speaker 2: handled you know what I'm saying. That culture handled their business. 1320 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 2: Somebody came after their people in that culture handled their business. 1321 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 2: Why don't we handle our business? So you know that 1322 00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,480 Speaker 2: that for me is a is a big is a 1323 00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:58,919 Speaker 2: big deal. 1324 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:00,440 Speaker 1: Kind bro. 1325 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 4: You welcome on the show. I know I said a lot. 1326 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,920 Speaker 4: We just need to have a conversation. 1327 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,240 Speaker 2: That's that's what makes them to be honest with you. 1328 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,800 Speaker 2: Your relationship to that situation, that's where I really started 1329 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 2: actually getting to know you, you know, saying outside of mouse 1330 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,520 Speaker 2: in the palace and shooting threes and you know what 1331 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 2: I'm saying, but like actually hearing your voice and it 1332 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 2: was you know what I'm saying, nobody people only get 1333 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 2: to know you outside of that. That's when I actually 1334 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,000 Speaker 2: got to hear you as a man and like, you know, 1335 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 2: hear your voice that real relationship to that, to that situation. 1336 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 2: No one in the public has the same relationship to you. 1337 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 2: So the idea that what he said was so offensive 1338 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 2: you have in that conversation, that's that's building the opportunity. 1339 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,120 Speaker 2: That's us showing. It doesn't mean you got to make 1340 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 2: peace with him because he might say some shit that 1341 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 2: pisses you off, you know what I'm saying, But. 1342 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,200 Speaker 1: It's a conspe conversation, That's that's what it's about. 1343 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,040 Speaker 2: And I feel we got to have more talks, you 1344 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,800 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, In more conversation with each other 1345 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,160 Speaker 2: rather than just you know, shoot us at the club, 1346 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 2: you know what. 1347 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: Each other off. Yeah, exactly well, Kenny, Man, we appreciate 1348 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,280 Speaker 1: you of time tonight, but really just your importance. I 1349 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,000 Speaker 1: was really looking forward to this because, I mean, I 1350 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,760 Speaker 1: really feel like this is a big title, but you know, 1351 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,880 Speaker 1: you're you're pretty much one of the head gatekeepers to 1352 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 1: our community and our culture and being able to tell 1353 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,200 Speaker 1: our story with not only tell our story, but tell 1354 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,040 Speaker 1: it with people that look like us too, and and 1355 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,440 Speaker 1: and the end to hear that that's always been kind 1356 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 1: of your goal and you continue to inspire doing that. Man. 1357 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,800 Speaker 1: We really appreciate what you got going on. Man, Thank 1358 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 1: you for your time today. Bro, besting luck if you meet. 1359 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Jack is really out here acting, so man, you catch this? 1360 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Can you bear? Showtime Basketball YouTube and the iHeart Platform 1361 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 1: Black Effects. See y'all next week