Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from
Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined by my
Speaker 1: partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here
Speaker 1: from different locations at lambeau Field, wes OTAs for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three are officially over. There is one week left
Speaker 1: of the Packers' off season program and it is the
Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp coming up this week. We will have
Speaker 1: access to practice when the Packers are on the field,
Speaker 1: press conferences, locker room interviews, all of that stuff. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about maybe a couple of storylines to watch
Speaker 1: here heading into Mini caamp as the off season program
Speaker 1: wraps up in a few days. What's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, we'll get Jay R, Alexander and
Speaker 2: Russell Douglas back in the building, and that's going to
Speaker 2: be such a pivotal piece of this defense with you know,
Speaker 2: everything that the Packers accomplished late last season. Looking to
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, use that as a leap frog
Speaker 2: now into twenty twenty three, I thought, you know, for
Speaker 2: as difficult of a mid season stretch as Green Bay
Speaker 2: went through, they found some answers in the middle of
Speaker 2: towards the final stretch that season. One of them was
Speaker 2: in a now two time All Pro Jyry Alexander, and
Speaker 2: the other was in Rasoul Douglas, who ended up getting
Speaker 2: I think three more interceptions to his total in the
Speaker 2: month of December. There was actually a statistic that I saw, Mike.
Speaker 2: I believe it was from Pro Football Focus, want to
Speaker 2: make sure, or maybe it was a thirty third team,
Speaker 2: but both Jaiere and Rasul the last two seasons leading
Speaker 2: the National Football League right now in the month of
Speaker 2: December interceptions, So it showed you I thought how far
Speaker 2: that secondary came during the final month of the season.
Speaker 2: And certainly having both of those two guys back here
Speaker 2: for the mandatory practices, I think will increase in heightened
Speaker 2: sort of the sense of urgency there with the Packers defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it'll provide a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a challenge for Jordan Love as the Packers offense
Speaker 1: is continuing this trend position to a new starting quarterback
Speaker 1: with the defense presumably at full strength. Although Vershan Gary
Speaker 1: is not expected to be back just yet. I don't
Speaker 1: think Eric Stokes will be back on the fielder, certainly
Speaker 1: not in team drills if he. Matt Lafleurd indicated that
Speaker 1: maybe by the end of the offseason program Stokes might
Speaker 1: start doing some individual drills, but the eleven on eleven
Speaker 1: I'm sure is still quite a ways off for him.
Speaker 1: But that added challenge I think for Jordan Love will
Speaker 1: be interesting to watch in practice this week as well.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, then Keyshawn Nixon settling in
Speaker 1: as that primary nickel corner with as you said, Alexander
Speaker 1: and Douglas both on the outside, another thing I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, just because you know, in
Speaker 1: the three practices during OTAs the one per week that
Speaker 1: we were able to watch, we did not see any
Speaker 1: field goal kicking periods with the new rookie kicker Anders
Speaker 1: Carlson around pick out of Auburn. Now that we're going
Speaker 1: to get multiple practices within the same week, I will
Speaker 1: be very curious if we do get to watch the
Speaker 1: rookie from Auburn potentially kick some field goals or maybe
Speaker 1: kick off in the special team's drill. Just you know,
Speaker 1: we haven't actually seen his legs so to speak, you know,
Speaker 1: just yet since he's put on a packer's uniform. So
Speaker 1: I think that's that's something to watch and as always,
Speaker 1: keep just keeping an eye on the depth chart with
Speaker 1: special teams as well, because with everybody that's presumably going
Speaker 1: to be here and on the field for the mini
Speaker 1: camp this week, it sort of sets things up in
Speaker 1: terms of how we can maybe expect to see the
Speaker 1: special team's depth chart starting at training camp when the
Speaker 1: players come back at the end of July.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it stands to reason that if you look
Speaker 2: at the safety position or maybe some of these other posts,
Speaker 2: that you know, the rotation's just going to set up
Speaker 2: a certain way. And I could see the Packers coaching
Speaker 2: staff saying that, but it is telling when you go
Speaker 2: on that first practice field and Rasul Douglas, Jyry, Alexander,
Speaker 2: you know the starters are going to be back there.
Speaker 2: How do all the pieces fit? What is who is
Speaker 2: the sec the safety back there with Darnell Savage, What
Speaker 2: offensive line configuration do they go with. Is David Baktiari
Speaker 2: out there or is it going to be another situation
Speaker 2: where maybe Caleb Jones gets some work there and they
Speaker 2: want to focus on Joash Niman being at right tackle.
Speaker 2: All those things are what we're going to have to
Speaker 2: be monitoring. I think the most exciting part of the
Speaker 2: off season program, or the end of the off season
Speaker 2: program is, as you said, Mike, getting a feel of
Speaker 2: where this team is going to be at and what
Speaker 2: will amount to the final run through before we come
Speaker 2: back at the end of July. And I always go
Speaker 2: back to thinking about, you know, Eddie Lacy in the
Speaker 2: progress that he made during his first nine weeks in
Speaker 2: Green Bay. I think about, you know, guys like Micah
Speaker 2: Hyde and Romeo Dobbs, guys that came out and impressed
Speaker 2: right away as rookies, and then we're able to carry
Speaker 2: it over into the training camp. This is the starting
Speaker 2: point of everything. And in addition to that, guys on
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball, they've now had a
Speaker 2: full program with Jordan Love their starting quarterback for twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three.
Speaker 3: I think that's really exciting.
Speaker 2: And I think when you're building out the identity of
Speaker 2: your football team for a season and everybody knows how
Speaker 2: young Green Bay is gonna skew, everybody is on the
Speaker 2: same page and pulling in the right direction.
Speaker 3: Now going into the.
Speaker 1: Month of July, Yeah, I think another thing to watch too,
Speaker 1: because it was with what we had witnessed last week
Speaker 1: in practice with regard to the two minute drill, Sean Clifford,
Speaker 1: the rookie fifth round pick out of Penn State, led
Speaker 1: a very impressive two minute drive some clutch catches, including
Speaker 1: the touchdown to win the drill for the offense by
Speaker 1: young receiver Jeff Cotton. And so I'll be curious this
Speaker 1: week as we look at the reps. Obviously we're mostly watching,
Speaker 1: you know, the first units, but where exactly is the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback situation? Is Sean Clifford, the number two? Is
Speaker 1: Danny Eetling the number two? Where are things going to go?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: What are things going to be looking like when that
Speaker 1: first training camp practice rolls around? And we may get
Speaker 1: a hint this week in these last few days of
Speaker 1: the offseason work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to smirk a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned the the part about Jeff Cotton being
Speaker 2: a young receiver, You're You're absolutely right, there's nothing get
Speaker 2: in their actorate.
Speaker 1: He's the oldest, the oldest receiver in Green Bay at
Speaker 1: A I think, absolutely right. But yes, he's still a
Speaker 1: young RECEIVERI no, no, but I mean it's still like
Speaker 1: twenty five years old or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean just remarkable that that's where the Packers are
Speaker 2: right now. But but to get back to your point,
Speaker 2: Sean Clifford, man, now you've seen him more. I know
Speaker 2: people that have watched the Badgers have seen him more.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a lot of Sean Clifford to this point.
Speaker 2: I was so impressed by that guy and how he
Speaker 2: handled the two minute period. I thought he showed a
Speaker 2: live arm and as Matt Lafleur said in his post
Speaker 2: practice press conference, say that five times fast or four uh.
Speaker 2: The guy showed the ability to not only know where
Speaker 2: the sticks are make the right decisions, but then he
Speaker 2: even tried a couple passes I think in that deep
Speaker 2: corner for twenty four yards I believe was was that
Speaker 2: the one to Heath? Yeah? Yeah, e Malik Heath, Malik Keith, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the guy going down the field. I think it was
Speaker 2: seven of nine on that series, and then being able
Speaker 2: to cap it with the eight yard touchdown to Cotton.
Speaker 2: That's what Sean Clifford has to do. You and I
Speaker 2: got a chance to meet him a little bit be
Speaker 2: around him. I mean, he is a very confident young man.
Speaker 2: He's a guy that and I say confident, in every
Speaker 2: sense of the word correctly. A guy that has been
Speaker 2: the face of a big ten Power five football conference
Speaker 2: team for three four years. So he is not going
Speaker 2: to be, you know, one that's gonna like be a
Speaker 2: He's not going to want to shy away from the
Speaker 2: bright lights, even though it's just the training camp practice.
Speaker 2: He's going to be able to go out there and
Speaker 2: do it. And honestly, Mike, I thought Danny Etling made
Speaker 2: a couple of nice throws in this offseason program as well,
Speaker 2: So watching that competition because that's a big thing, man.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know there's going to be the emergent
Speaker 2: see quarterback rule back this year. So it's not going
Speaker 2: to be just okay, who's inactive, who's active, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it still matters who that number two is and who's
Speaker 2: the guy that's going to potentially be stepping up in
Speaker 2: case of emergency, And I think Sean Clifford. When you
Speaker 2: look at guys like Matt Flynn and the number of
Speaker 2: rookies and young players that came into Green Bay, you
Speaker 2: know Brett Humley being one of them as well, there
Speaker 2: is a role to be had there right off the bat.
Speaker 2: If you can prove that that you're worthy of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really interested to watch Clifford moving forward here,
Speaker 1: not only this week in mini camp, but then into
Speaker 1: training camp. For all the talk during the draft about
Speaker 1: you know, well, did the Packers draft him too early?
Speaker 1: Maybe they're you know, maybe they could have just gotten
Speaker 1: him as an undrafted free agent, and all that, you
Speaker 1: set all that aside. Sean Clifford played in a happy
Speaker 1: Valley in front of ninety five thousand people. He's played
Speaker 1: at the Horseshoe, He's played at Camp Randall. He's you know,
Speaker 1: this is not a young man who's going to shy
Speaker 1: away from a challenge, and that the challenge put in
Speaker 1: front of him to nail down as best he can
Speaker 1: the number two job behind Jordan Love and potentially beat
Speaker 1: out Dannyettling, who's you know, who hasn't played regular season
Speaker 1: football yet but has certainly played his share in the
Speaker 1: preseason and impressed the Packers last year, which is why
Speaker 1: Dannyetling is still around.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, and again one of the older, more
Speaker 2: veteran players on this team. If that's the metric that
Speaker 2: you're trying to hit, I just want to close on
Speaker 2: this really quickly. If you're someone that actually is debating
Speaker 2: whether or not a fifth round pick was drafted too high.
Speaker 2: I think you need to find a new hobby, would
Speaker 2: be my only suggestion. If we're going to critique day
Speaker 2: three picks and where guys went or didn't go, you
Speaker 2: can take I mean, outside of what maybe a long
Speaker 2: snapper in the fifth round. I don't know if there's
Speaker 2: really a huge debate to be had there as far
Speaker 2: as from fifth to seventh exactly where guys go. Other
Speaker 2: than to have something to complain about, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you who really doesn't care, and
Speaker 1: that's Sean Clifford because he's here to just play some
Speaker 1: football and try to nail down a roster spot here
Speaker 1: with the Green Bay Packers as a rookie quarterback. So
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Speaker 1: OTAs that we haven't had a chance to touch on yet,
Speaker 1: although you have a story on our website for those
Speaker 1: who like to dive in and check out a few
Speaker 1: more details. But second year pro Tarique Carpenter drafted in
Speaker 1: the seventh round a year ago as a safety. The
Speaker 1: Packers have actually moved him to inside linebacker. He's now
Speaker 1: part of the group of depth there behind starters Campbell
Speaker 1: and Walker with Isaiah McDuffie, Eric Wilson. Tarik Carpenter is
Speaker 1: now in that mix. He established himself last year as
Speaker 1: a rookie as a special teams regular, and that you
Speaker 1: would expect is going to continue. But in terms of
Speaker 1: his opportunity to get potentially get snaps on defense, sounds
Speaker 1: like the Packers are going to see what he brings
Speaker 1: a little bit closer to the line of scrimmage than
Speaker 1: where we saw him last year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember back in ten years ago now when they
Speaker 2: got Sean Richardson as an undrafted free agent former teammate
Speaker 2: of Casey Hayward at the Vanderbilt University. I remember thinking, man,
Speaker 2: this is a really big safety. Tarik Carpenter is like
Speaker 2: a bigger version of Sean Richardson. I remember there was
Speaker 2: a couple times. I think I even said it to
Speaker 2: you in the locker room, some of the availabilities last season.
Speaker 2: I'm like that guy that's not a safety. I mean,
Speaker 2: the rules have changed, certainly, there's more hybrids at that position,
Speaker 2: and in a box safety versus inside linebacker, what's really
Speaker 2: the difference, right? But he just he looks like aligned
Speaker 2: in terms of just his frame. Maybe he has to
Speaker 2: put some more weight on. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: Packers are going to ask for him in that department,
Speaker 2: but the size is prototypical I think for an inside
Speaker 2: backer and you go buy listed weights, which isn't everything,
Speaker 2: but from a size and weight perspective, he's basically smaller
Speaker 2: than Devondre Campbell and that's pretty much it in terms
Speaker 2: of the inside linebackers. You know, he has three inches
Speaker 2: on Isaiah McDuffie and also a couple pounds in the
Speaker 2: listed category. And McDuffie, as we've seen, is a more
Speaker 2: than capable special teamer and then also been the MIC
Speaker 2: in a few instances too, So I get what the
Speaker 2: Packers we're getting at with this guy. The thing you
Speaker 2: have to understand with the Packers, And I was thinking
Speaker 2: about this long and hard when I was writing the story.
Speaker 2: Whether it was Mike McCarthy or Matt Lafleur, I think
Speaker 2: it's probably maybe a little bit more symblematic of the.
Speaker 3: Front office as well.
Speaker 2: When the Packers bringing a guy that could potentially be
Speaker 2: a tweener, they're going to play him at his college
Speaker 2: position first. That's just been the way they've done it,
Speaker 2: and then if they feel like there needs to be
Speaker 2: an adjustment made, they'll do it after that and give
Speaker 2: him an oppertunity to get comfortable at a new spot.
Speaker 2: And for Touri Carpenter's standpoint, this has been a completely
Speaker 2: new language and education. He's in the same playbook, but
Speaker 2: he's basically reading it differently and there have been some
Speaker 2: rough times that have come along with that. But he
Speaker 2: credited Devondre Campbell for being an excellent resource for him,
Speaker 2: somebody that he can go to, whether it's just trying
Speaker 2: to get advice, whether it's getting a little bit of
Speaker 2: a confidence boost, feeling like, you know, this can be
Speaker 2: his position. Because the other aspect of it is I
Speaker 2: think the Packers have a really elite prospect with special teams.
Speaker 2: His size is speed, everything you look for in a
Speaker 2: coverage in a flexible body type that can help you
Speaker 2: in multiple phases, it's there With Touri Carpenter. It's mostly
Speaker 2: about now figuring out, Okay, where can we rep him
Speaker 2: defensively and as we learned with him playing a little
Speaker 2: bit outside linebacker last year, some of the techniques that
Speaker 2: you teach him at those defensive positions and how that
Speaker 2: can potentially help you on special teams, case in point,
Speaker 2: outside linebacker, edge rush, also being a potential punt blocker.
Speaker 3: All that stuff is married together.
Speaker 2: So he's taken it right on head on this offseason,
Speaker 2: and if you look at it with them on of
Speaker 2: depth and experience, now that they have its safety in
Speaker 2: the fact in the inside linebacker room Chris Barnes was
Speaker 2: non tendered, the case can be made that the better
Speaker 2: opportunity with making this fifty three resides in that ILB room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, and we certainly expect to see
Speaker 1: Carpenter continue that special teams role. But it sounds like
Speaker 1: the young man is very excited about the positions which
Speaker 1: and the opportunity that maybe in front of him here
Speaker 1: in his second season with Green Bay. One other player
Speaker 1: I want to touch on before we sign off and
Speaker 1: get ready to head out to cover practice for a
Speaker 1: mini camp, a veteran player. We haven't talked about him
Speaker 1: much this offseason. He's been, you know, somewhat quiet, but
Speaker 1: he's always been a little bit quiet since he got here.
Speaker 1: But now he's he really has established himself. He's an
Speaker 1: entrench defensive leader on this team. And we've talked about
Speaker 1: other guys in that regard, Kenny Clark j R. Alexander,
Speaker 1: but Preston Smith is a guy I tell you. He
Speaker 1: spoke to reporters after practice last week, the one that
Speaker 1: we attended, and there's absolutely nothing about Preston Smith that
Speaker 1: would indicate that a he will shy away at all
Speaker 1: from the leadership responsibilities that are thrust upon him. But
Speaker 1: he also doesn't shy away from acknowledging that the defense
Speaker 1: came up short last year. And while he's not going
Speaker 1: to go into you know what went wrong, chapter and verse,
Speaker 1: he's not interested in the details and talking about it.
Speaker 1: The players have all gone over it, they've gone over
Speaker 1: it with the coaches they know, and he's acknowledged the
Speaker 1: shortcomings on defense. But it's all about looking forward. It's
Speaker 1: not even it's not just putting last year in the
Speaker 1: review mirror. It's like the review mirror doesn't even exist.
Speaker 1: And I can appreciate that approach because because Preston's Preston
Speaker 1: Smith has has been there, done that in this league,
Speaker 1: right and he came in he you know, was sort
Speaker 1: of second fiddled as Darius Smith and all the Smith bros.
Speaker 1: Things for a couple of years, which was which was
Speaker 1: great and all, but he's had to grow into a
Speaker 1: new role here in Green Bay and one that he
Speaker 1: didn't really have in Washington in the four years that
Speaker 1: he was there. And uh, and I think the young
Speaker 1: players in that locker room, you know, appreciate where Preston
Speaker 1: Smith is coming from. And he even says that he
Speaker 1: appreciates guys, you know, whether it's Kings, LeAnn Igbari or
Speaker 1: Lucas van Ness, the new first round draft pick at
Speaker 1: his position coming to him and asking him questions, and
Speaker 1: he feels good about being able to help these guys
Speaker 1: out and not just send them back to the coach,
Speaker 1: uh to get to to get their answers. We're seeing
Speaker 1: that the evolution of a of a of a veteran
Speaker 1: player who's embracing everything that the coaching staff and the
Speaker 1: front office is asking him to do. And it's been
Speaker 1: fun to watch and fun to get to know Preston Smith.
Speaker 3: It really has Mike.
Speaker 2: And he's the guy too that he will be a captain,
Speaker 2: he'll be a leader, and he doesn't necessarily just need
Speaker 2: to wear the sea on his chest. Who knows, maybe
Speaker 2: he will this season, but I mean he's a guy
Speaker 2: that I think silently behind closed doors, without drawing much
Speaker 2: attention to himself. He's been doing this since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: I think we just caught onto it a little bit later.
Speaker 2: And now at this point in time, as you mentioned
Speaker 2: with that interview with media, he recognizes he is the
Speaker 2: oldest player on defense and I think now what probably
Speaker 2: the third longest tenured player on the defensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball, behind Kenny Clark and jyr Alexander. So the
Speaker 2: responsibilities that go with that, he does not shy away
Speaker 2: from them. And also, you know, just seeing the way
Speaker 2: he interacts with the guys, you know, I'm working on
Speaker 2: a little bit of a story on him right now
Speaker 2: that I was waiting down the locker room to talk
Speaker 2: with him about four about four, yeah, whatever, before I
Speaker 2: came up here, and just seeing how he interacts with
Speaker 2: Darnell Savig and young players, veteran players. The guy really
Speaker 2: can step into any conversation and hold his own and
Speaker 2: I think the relatability of him has been such a
Speaker 2: breath of fresh air for.
Speaker 3: This locker room.
Speaker 2: And when you talk about making a big transition both
Speaker 2: defensively and as a football team, Preston Smith's gonna be
Speaker 2: a big part of that. The other thing I think
Speaker 2: that needs to be talked about very quickly is he's
Speaker 2: a guy that, when you look at the totality of
Speaker 2: his career, can be really hard to can be really easy,
Speaker 2: I should say, to overlook everything he's accomplished and achieved.
Speaker 2: When you talk about signing a free agent Mike, the
Speaker 2: investment you're making and a guy coming into the building
Speaker 2: and you don't really maybe know him, I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's a better investment than Preston Smith. I mean
Speaker 2: a guy that has been in historically durable at a
Speaker 2: position in which durability isn't always doesn't always go hand
Speaker 2: in hand. And he's missed one game I think, and
Speaker 2: during his time with the Packers to break up his
Speaker 2: consecutive games played streak, which I think was around one
Speaker 2: hundred or hundred and two.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's the only game he missed in
Speaker 1: his entire career, including the four years and what and
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't want to miss it either. It
Speaker 1: you know, it really hurt him to have to miss
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, because he he takes he takes a
Speaker 1: heck of a lot of pride in in that durability
Speaker 1: and showing up for his teammates and his coaches every Sunday.
Speaker 1: And he's he's done that. He's done that now for
Speaker 1: eight years with only missing one game along the way.
Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable. And on top of that, I think
Speaker 1: including playoffs now he had I think he's up to
Speaker 1: sixty two sixty three sacks in his career if you
Speaker 1: include his postseason numbers. So he's, uh, he's put together
Speaker 1: quite a career. And and he's still going strong here
Speaker 1: in Green Bay by all.
Speaker 2: Accounts, and as steady as they go from a performing standpoint.
Speaker 2: So the Packers obviously last year they lost for Sean Gary.
Speaker 2: That was a big hit. Preston stepped his game up,
Speaker 2: he stepped his leadership up to get the young guys
Speaker 2: up to you know, to par being able to welcome
Speaker 2: in a guy like Justin Hollins and get him producing.
Speaker 2: And now this year you get Lucas Fanes in that room.
Speaker 2: And as you said, Michael, when you want to learn
Speaker 2: how to be a professor the National Football League and
Speaker 2: a young twenty one year old and impressiable kid like that,
Speaker 2: I don't think you could find a better guy to
Speaker 2: learn from than present Smith. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I'll be excited to watch him. He did.
Speaker 1: He did also talk about sort of breaking that the
Speaker 1: curse of the even year odd year thing because of
Speaker 1: the way his sacks attistic.
Speaker 3: He said he was gonna do it his career and yeah.
Speaker 1: And he did, because in twenty twenty two he had
Speaker 1: eight and a half sacks and he had not had
Speaker 1: I believe his his high water mark in an even
Speaker 1: numbered year was like four and a half in his career,
Speaker 1: and then all of his like nine sack and his
Speaker 1: career high twelve sacks in Green Bay, those were all
Speaker 1: in the odd numbered years. Well, he finally got over
Speaker 1: that hump, and he followed up a nine sacks season
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one with eight and a half sacks
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, So he feels like the curse
Speaker 1: is broken. That's it. It's it's done and over.
Speaker 2: With, dude. And if you ever want a better example
Speaker 2: of why sacks aren't the only thing to measure a
Speaker 2: pass rusher on, go back to twenty nineteen and Brian
Speaker 2: Goodikuin signing him to a pretty lucrative contract right after
Speaker 2: a four sack season in Washington.
Speaker 1: One of the first free agents to sign. Yeah, amongst
Speaker 1: amongst all of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Packers weren't. They weren't concerned about the sack total
Speaker 2: that year. They liked what they saw from the pressure standpoint,
Speaker 2: And certainly I think he's a guy that you know,
Speaker 2: you can always count on pressed and first production, in
Speaker 2: addition to the fact that he always sets a pretty
Speaker 2: good edge too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's uh, he's an all around player against the
Speaker 1: run and against the pass. And as you said, steady
Speaker 1: as h steady as they come. So with that, we
Speaker 1: will call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscript.
Speaker 1: You'd be sure to follow all of our coverage of
Speaker 1: the team's mini camp this week as the offseason program
Speaker 1: wraps up. We will have it all for you on
Speaker 1: packers dot com for wes I and Mike. Thank you
Speaker 1: for tuning in everybody, and we will see you next time.