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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined by my

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Speaker 1: partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here

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Speaker 1: from different locations at lambeau Field, wes OTAs for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three are officially over. There is one week left

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Speaker 1: of the Packers' off season program and it is the

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Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp coming up this week. We will have

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Speaker 1: access to practice when the Packers are on the field,

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Speaker 1: press conferences, locker room interviews, all of that stuff. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about maybe a couple of storylines to watch

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Speaker 1: here heading into Mini caamp as the off season program

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Speaker 1: wraps up in a few days. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, we'll get Jay R, Alexander and

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Speaker 2: Russell Douglas back in the building, and that's going to

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Speaker 2: be such a pivotal piece of this defense with you know,

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Speaker 2: everything that the Packers accomplished late last season. Looking to

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Speaker 2: kind of, you know, use that as a leap frog

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Speaker 2: now into twenty twenty three, I thought, you know, for

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Speaker 2: as difficult of a mid season stretch as Green Bay

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Speaker 2: went through, they found some answers in the middle of

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Speaker 2: towards the final stretch that season. One of them was

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Speaker 2: in a now two time All Pro Jyry Alexander, and

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Speaker 2: the other was in Rasoul Douglas, who ended up getting

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Speaker 2: I think three more interceptions to his total in the

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Speaker 2: month of December. There was actually a statistic that I saw, Mike.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was from Pro Football Focus, want to

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Speaker 2: make sure, or maybe it was a thirty third team,

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Speaker 2: but both Jaiere and Rasul the last two seasons leading

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Speaker 2: the National Football League right now in the month of

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Speaker 2: December interceptions, So it showed you I thought how far

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Speaker 2: that secondary came during the final month of the season.

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Speaker 2: And certainly having both of those two guys back here

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Speaker 2: for the mandatory practices, I think will increase in heightened

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Speaker 2: sort of the sense of urgency there with the Packers defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it'll provide a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of a challenge for Jordan Love as the Packers offense

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Speaker 1: is continuing this trend position to a new starting quarterback

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Speaker 1: with the defense presumably at full strength. Although Vershan Gary

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Speaker 1: is not expected to be back just yet. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Eric Stokes will be back on the fielder, certainly

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Speaker 1: not in team drills if he. Matt Lafleurd indicated that

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Speaker 1: maybe by the end of the offseason program Stokes might

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Speaker 1: start doing some individual drills, but the eleven on eleven

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Speaker 1: I'm sure is still quite a ways off for him.

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Speaker 1: But that added challenge I think for Jordan Love will

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Speaker 1: be interesting to watch in practice this week as well.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that, then Keyshawn Nixon settling in

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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, just because you know, in

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Speaker 1: the three practices during OTAs the one per week that

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Speaker 1: we were able to watch, we did not see any

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Speaker 1: field goal kicking periods with the new rookie kicker Anders

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Speaker 1: Carlson around pick out of Auburn. Now that we're going

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Speaker 1: to get multiple practices within the same week, I will

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Speaker 1: be very curious if we do get to watch the

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Speaker 1: rookie from Auburn potentially kick some field goals or maybe

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Speaker 1: kick off in the special team's drill. Just you know,

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Speaker 1: we haven't actually seen his legs so to speak, you know,

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Speaker 1: just yet since he's put on a packer's uniform. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's something to watch and as always,

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Speaker 1: keep just keeping an eye on the depth chart with

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Speaker 1: special teams as well, because with everybody that's presumably going

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Speaker 1: to be here and on the field for the mini

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Speaker 1: camp this week, it sort of sets things up in

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Speaker 1: terms of how we can maybe expect to see the

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Speaker 1: special team's depth chart starting at training camp when the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it stands to reason that if you look

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Speaker 2: at the safety position or maybe some of these other posts,

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Speaker 2: that you know, the rotation's just going to set up

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Speaker 2: a certain way. And I could see the Packers coaching

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Speaker 2: staff saying that, but it is telling when you go

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Speaker 2: on that first practice field and Rasul Douglas, Jyry, Alexander,

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Speaker 2: you know the starters are going to be back there.

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Speaker 2: How do all the pieces fit? What is who is

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Speaker 2: want to focus on Joash Niman being at right tackle.

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Speaker 2: All those things are what we're going to have to

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Speaker 2: be monitoring. I think the most exciting part of the

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Speaker 2: program is, as you said, Mike, getting a feel of

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Speaker 2: where this team is going to be at and what

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Speaker 2: back at the end of July. And I always go

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Speaker 2: back to thinking about, you know, Eddie Lacy in the

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Speaker 2: right away as rookies, and then we're able to carry

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Speaker 2: point of everything. And in addition to that, guys on

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Speaker 2: full program with Jordan Love their starting quarterback for twenty

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Speaker 3: I think that's really exciting.

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Speaker 2: And I think when you're building out the identity of

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Speaker 2: young Green Bay is gonna skew, everybody is on the

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Speaker 2: same page and pulling in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Now going into the.

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Speaker 1: Month of July, Yeah, I think another thing to watch too,

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Speaker 1: because it was with what we had witnessed last week

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Speaker 1: in practice with regard to the two minute drill, Sean Clifford,

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Speaker 1: the rookie fifth round pick out of Penn State, led

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Speaker 1: a very impressive two minute drive some clutch catches, including

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Speaker 1: the touchdown to win the drill for the offense by

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Speaker 1: young receiver Jeff Cotton. And so I'll be curious this

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Speaker 1: week as we look at the reps. Obviously we're mostly watching,

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Speaker 1: you know, the first units, but where exactly is the

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback situation? Is Sean Clifford, the number two? Is

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Speaker 1: Danny Eetling the number two? Where are things going to go?

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Speaker 1: What are things going to be looking like when that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to smirk a little bit, you know,

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Speaker 2: as you mentioned the the part about Jeff Cotton being

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Speaker 2: a young receiver, You're You're absolutely right, there's nothing get

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Speaker 1: He's the oldest, the oldest receiver in Green Bay at

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Speaker 1: A I think, absolutely right. But yes, he's still a

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Speaker 1: young RECEIVERI no, no, but I mean it's still like

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Speaker 2: I mean just remarkable that that's where the Packers are

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Speaker 2: right now. But but to get back to your point,

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Speaker 2: Sean Clifford, man, now you've seen him more. I know

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Speaker 2: people that have watched the Badgers have seen him more.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen a lot of Sean Clifford to this point.

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Speaker 2: I was so impressed by that guy and how he

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Speaker 2: handled the two minute period. I thought he showed a

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Speaker 2: live arm and as Matt Lafleur said in his post

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Speaker 2: The guy showed the ability to not only know where

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Speaker 2: even tried a couple passes I think in that deep

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Speaker 2: seven of nine on that series, and then being able

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Speaker 2: to cap it with the eight yard touchdown to Cotton.

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Speaker 2: That's what Sean Clifford has to do. You and I

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Speaker 2: got a chance to meet him a little bit be

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Speaker 2: He's a guy that and I say confident, in every

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Speaker 2: sense of the word correctly. A guy that has been

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Speaker 2: the face of a big ten Power five football conference

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Speaker 2: team for three four years. So he is not going

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Speaker 2: to be, you know, one that's gonna like be a

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Speaker 2: He's not going to want to shy away from the

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Speaker 2: bright lights, even though it's just the training camp practice.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be able to go out there and

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Speaker 2: do it. And honestly, Mike, I thought Danny Etling made

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Speaker 2: a couple of nice throws in this offseason program as well,

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Speaker 2: So watching that competition because that's a big thing, man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know there's going to be the emergent

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Speaker 2: to be just okay, who's inactive, who's active, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: it still matters who that number two is and who's

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Speaker 2: the guy that's going to potentially be stepping up in

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Speaker 2: case of emergency, And I think Sean Clifford. When you

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Speaker 2: know Brett Humley being one of them as well, there

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Speaker 2: is a role to be had there right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: If you can prove that that you're worthy of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really interested to watch Clifford moving forward here,

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Speaker 1: not only this week in mini camp, but then into

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Speaker 1: training camp. For all the talk during the draft about

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're you know, maybe they could have just gotten

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Speaker 1: him as an undrafted free agent, and all that, you

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Speaker 1: set all that aside. Sean Clifford played in a happy

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Speaker 1: this is not a young man who's going to shy

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Speaker 1: the number two job behind Jordan Love and potentially beat

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Speaker 1: out Dannyettling, who's you know, who hasn't played regular season

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Speaker 1: preseason and impressed the Packers last year, which is why

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Speaker 1: Dannyetling is still around.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, and again one of the older, more

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Speaker 2: you're trying to hit, I just want to close on

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Speaker 2: this really quickly. If you're someone that actually is debating

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Speaker 2: whether or not a fifth round pick was drafted too high.

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Speaker 2: I think you need to find a new hobby, would

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Speaker 2: be my only suggestion. If we're going to critique day

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Speaker 2: three picks and where guys went or didn't go, you

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Speaker 2: really a huge debate to be had there as far

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Speaker 2: than to have something to complain about, I guess yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you who really doesn't care, and

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Speaker 1: that's Sean Clifford because he's here to just play some

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Speaker 2: And for Touri Carpenter's standpoint, this has been a completely

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's uh, he's an all around player against the

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Speaker 1: will call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscript.

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Speaker 1: You'd be sure to follow all of our coverage of

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Speaker 1: the team's mini camp this week as the offseason program

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