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Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today I'm
Speaker 3: speaking with Tracy Garbett Dolan. Tracy's a distinguished member of
Speaker 3: the UFO community known for her work as a remote viewer,
Speaker 3: a close encounter researcher, and a lecturer. Along with her
Speaker 3: husband Richard Dolan, she's the co director of the Richard
Speaker 3: Dolan Members website and also she co hosts There Off
Speaker 3: the Cuff podcast with Richard and Tracy. Hi, Tracy, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for coming on.
Speaker 5: Hey Ron, so great to be here. Thanks for having
Speaker 5: me your.
Speaker 3: Remote viewing work. I'm very familiar with remote viewing through
Speaker 3: Russell targ and his work at SRI. Of course, it's
Speaker 3: pretty incredible stuff. How would you describe what remote viewing is?
Speaker 5: Remote viewing is simply gathering psychic perceptions about a target
Speaker 5: that is hidden from you. And when we talk about
Speaker 5: CRV or controlled remote viewing formerly known as coordinate remote viewing,
Speaker 5: we're talking about your intuition, but with a set of
Speaker 5: protocols or instructions over top of it. And that's it.
Speaker 5: That's really what it is. That a lot of people wonder,
Speaker 5: you know, what's the difference between a psychic and a
Speaker 5: remote viewer? You know what we hear so classically these days,
Speaker 5: the military version or the version that started out of Stanford,
Speaker 5: And that's really what it is. There's a certain method
Speaker 5: that they developed a set of instructions to help pull
Speaker 5: this out of people. So when we get psychic perceptions ourselves,
Speaker 5: it's typically spontaneous. You know, when we have an intuition
Speaker 5: about something we we shouldn't go down that alley and
Speaker 5: it ends up being something dangerous, or you know, we
Speaker 5: have this intuition at play all the time. Remote viewing
Speaker 5: is more how do you take that spontane intuition and
Speaker 5: make it an active practice? So people will wonder, you know,
Speaker 5: could I help if I have spontaneous psychic moments? Could
Speaker 5: I find a way to sort of harness that and
Speaker 5: target something? And people will often say, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: help find missing children or you know, help the police
Speaker 5: with something. And that's why some people get into it.
Speaker 5: Can I target something? You know your mind can do it.
Speaker 5: I mean, for almost all of us, we've had an
Speaker 5: intuitive moment where you knew something was going to happen
Speaker 5: to your child, or something was going to happen to
Speaker 5: your spouse, or you know, we've we've had this. We know,
Speaker 5: we get this and it feels very natural. But of course,
Speaker 5: is there a way to sort of hone that into
Speaker 5: an active practice? And that's really what remote viewing is.
Speaker 5: It's done by a target or some people might say
Speaker 5: intention you're managing, You're a tension into a certain space.
Speaker 5: So for example, I want to find this person. With
Speaker 5: that focused attention, you're quieting the mind and allowing yourself
Speaker 5: to perceive any perception, subtle perceptions that come in and
Speaker 5: now the protocols developed at Stanford Research Institute and the
Speaker 5: military at this point assist in doing that. That's all.
Speaker 5: That's all it is.
Speaker 3: It's more intentional. I think Russell said that it seems
Speaker 3: to be an an and innate ability is. In fact,
Speaker 3: people new to this seem to do even better than
Speaker 3: those who have learned the methods and skills. Why would
Speaker 3: that be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a first time effect that they found in
Speaker 5: the lab and I don't know why this is, but
Speaker 5: it just is when people try it for the first time.
Speaker 5: I think it has a lot to do with your
Speaker 5: state of mind. You know, as I've explored different schools
Speaker 5: of mind and done lots of experimenting and with remote
Speaker 5: viewing myself, there is an interesting piece that we don't
Speaker 5: talk about a lot, and that is state of mind.
Speaker 5: You'll also see this at the Monroe Institute when people
Speaker 5: are wanting to go out of body for example, that's
Speaker 5: what they'll go there for. They want to have an
Speaker 5: out of body experience or they want to have an
Speaker 5: altered state experience if they go in. This applies to
Speaker 5: remote viewing too. If when you go into these things
Speaker 5: and you've heard about it for the first time, and
Speaker 5: you hear these incredible stories of what's happened. Your belief
Speaker 5: increases that in the possibility, right, So that's one psychological factor. Also,
Speaker 5: you have what a little bit of what they call
Speaker 5: beginner's mind, where you know your belief increases and you
Speaker 5: it's almost like a game, like you're not invested in
Speaker 5: what the outcome is, so you kind of you're not
Speaker 5: putting pressure on yourself. All the pressure isn't there. You're
Speaker 5: just like, Okay, can I prove this to myself? But
Speaker 5: it's really this innocent state of mind, an openness, And
Speaker 5: I think this has a lot to do with why
Speaker 5: people will do very well in the beginning and get
Speaker 5: very strong psychic icits. It is innate. I do believe
Speaker 5: this as well. I believe it's as innate as you
Speaker 5: know the whales charting their course and you know these
Speaker 5: patterns that we see in nature. I think it is
Speaker 5: that innate and that natural. It's old in us from
Speaker 5: when we were hunters and gatherers. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of us believe this, but it's just now we don't
Speaker 5: value it. Our mind doesn't need it, so we don't
Speaker 5: use it, and so it seems like it's something that's
Speaker 5: magic when it's really not.
Speaker 3: But as far as I know that it's real, then
Speaker 3: how do you know it's not magical? How do you know?
Speaker 3: Have you had enough success personally that you believe it's real?
Speaker 3: Why do you think that.
Speaker 5: This is Yeah, yeah, I think that's it. The way
Speaker 5: I feel about promote viewing and all of these psychic
Speaker 5: modalities is it's one thing to hear your stories of
Speaker 5: other people, but it's quite another for you to prove
Speaker 5: it to yourself. And I was on this journey because
Speaker 5: life presented it to me. I had had some predictions,
Speaker 5: not predictions, but you know, I saw my father dying
Speaker 5: when he was perfectly healthy, and he died, you know.
Speaker 5: And there's lots of people who have things like this.
Speaker 3: That sounds more like a psychic prediction than a remote viewing.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so I'm not saying that's a remote viewing. Sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm saying that's an example of things that we that
Speaker 5: happened to us naturally. But with remote viewing, yeah, it's
Speaker 5: something that you it's a personal journey. It's not so
Speaker 5: much about I can remote view the moon, I can
Speaker 5: do this hearing what other people can do, it's important
Speaker 5: because it teaches us about who we really are. And
Speaker 5: so for me, I wanted to know if these things
Speaker 5: had happened to me spontaneously in the past, which they did,
Speaker 5: what can it really do? And I threw myself into
Speaker 5: all sorts of strange things to see what are our
Speaker 5: minds really designed for. It doesn't seem like it's complete
Speaker 5: everything we're learning, so I would experiment on myself. And
Speaker 5: you know, remote viewing is one of those things, and
Speaker 5: I did have an experience that blew my own mind.
Speaker 5: And there's different types of remote viewing that will practice.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it could be something as simple as having an
Speaker 5: envelope with a target that's hidden from you that someone
Speaker 5: else will put in the envelope, right, But sometimes they
Speaker 5: have something called an outbounder. This is where I'll give
Speaker 5: this example that I did, where they will put somebody
Speaker 5: somewhere in the world that you don't know, and you
Speaker 5: have to attempt to remote view the person at wherever
Speaker 5: they are in the world and be able to determine
Speaker 5: whether they are male or female and describe their entire environment.
Speaker 5: So that's what an outbounder is and this is what
Speaker 5: changed my life absolutely well.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting to think about that this is possible
Speaker 3: because you use the word magic earlier, and when you're
Speaker 3: describing this now, it does sound almost like it is magic.
Speaker 3: That you could suddenly see somebody that's not in front
Speaker 3: of you. That seems like magic to me. When we
Speaker 3: come back, we're going to ask Tracy Moore about how
Speaker 3: accurate remote viewing can be and what sort of success
Speaker 3: rates they have when they try to find these targets.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and we're
Speaker 3: talking with Tracy about an experience she had doing a
Speaker 3: remote view where she actually why don't you tell that
Speaker 3: the rest of that Tracy? How that share?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So this is something that they'll they will sometimes arrange.
Speaker 5: This is pre arranged, a pre arranged experiment, So you
Speaker 5: don't know anything about it except that a person has
Speaker 5: been placed somewhere in the world and you have to
Speaker 5: determine where they are, what their environment is like, and
Speaker 5: whether they're male or female. So, just after relaxing myself
Speaker 5: and writing the target number and doing a few things
Speaker 5: that we're taught to do like this, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: all of my senses came online. You know, I'm smelling
Speaker 5: very specific smells. I'm feeling things that I don't even
Speaker 5: know how to describe. How I'm feeling them, you know,
Speaker 5: I know things like I could smell and feel the
Speaker 5: mist on my face. I could smell ducts. I could
Speaker 5: smell a particular type of water that was enclosed, and
Speaker 5: I could smell all the moss on the concrete that
Speaker 5: was enclosing the water. I could sense how big of
Speaker 5: a body of water this is. I could sense that
Speaker 5: there were structures around in busyness, so it was in
Speaker 5: the middle of a city. I could just shadowy like
Speaker 5: people think that you see this like a movie, and
Speaker 5: there might be some people out there that can do that.
Speaker 5: I cannot, and many people cannot. It's very shadowy. You're
Speaker 5: trying to relax more so that the perception's coming clearer.
Speaker 5: And I'm seeing this shadowy turtle shape big though, and
Speaker 5: then this very tall, tall something. I can tell that
Speaker 5: it's a fountain because I can feel the mist in
Speaker 5: the air hitting my face and the sun, and I
Speaker 5: can smell the animals that are around me. I could
Speaker 5: smell the ducks everywhere. I can smell the fish, and
Speaker 5: I know this is not ocean water. And I'm amazed
Speaker 5: that this is coming in this clear, but I am
Speaker 5: immersed during this, and you can tell even what I'm
Speaker 5: telling it. I'm back in it, you know, experiencing it.
Speaker 5: But then something else came through the most interesting piece
Speaker 5: to me. Suddenly I saw a reflective surface and a
Speaker 5: woman's eye looking at me. It was incredibly clear, probably
Speaker 5: one of the clearest things I've ever seen in my
Speaker 5: remote views. When the reveal came, I knew it was
Speaker 5: a woman, and I had all of this description and
Speaker 5: drawings of where I was, and they will show you
Speaker 5: pictures that they had pre arranged, so you get the
Speaker 5: feedback like, oh my God, Like I really I knew
Speaker 5: something inside me, knew on a deep level I was there.
Speaker 5: I knew what it was going to look like ish,
Speaker 5: and it was. It was it. And then you know,
Speaker 5: here's the one of the crazier things. I know. I've
Speaker 5: told you this story before, but years later it ended
Speaker 5: up being Orlando, by the way, Orlando, Florida. Years later,
Speaker 5: through weird synchronicities, I end up living I was a
Speaker 5: Canadian my whole life living, moving to Orlando, Florida, and
Speaker 5: I end up meeting the woman who I remote viewed.
Speaker 3: Okay, so beyond synchronicity.
Speaker 5: When I met her, I wasn't in the mode of like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I did this. It's not about that.
Speaker 5: I was so excited to ask her a million questions
Speaker 5: about how this could have happened.
Speaker 3: Right, did she play a role? Was she connected? Right?
Speaker 5: Because she isn't. As it turns out, is an incredible
Speaker 5: remote viewer. Her name is Patricia Cyrus. She has done
Speaker 5: a lot of work with Dell Graf. I take her
Speaker 5: to lunch and I bring my remote view and I
Speaker 5: tell her about the reflective surface and how I knew,
Speaker 5: you know, she was a woman. And she says to me,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, when I was sitting there at that park.
Speaker 5: It was Lake Iola in Orlando, Florida. If anybody listening
Speaker 5: knows this place, she said, I was sitting there on
Speaker 5: the bench at the park and I thought of taking
Speaker 5: I opened up my purse and I took out a
Speaker 5: compact mirror and I looked at myself in the eye
Speaker 5: in case it would help anybody. And I did not
Speaker 5: previously know this, and that I was amazed when I
Speaker 5: at the first part, you know, years before where they
Speaker 5: had done the reveal. But this is what made the
Speaker 5: huge impact on me, because I was looking through her
Speaker 5: eyes or my eyes at her looking back at me.
Speaker 5: It's really almost hard for me to wrap my own
Speaker 5: head around this. What happened there? So I was in Vancouver, Canada.
Speaker 5: She was in Orlando, Florida. So we're kitty corner here
Speaker 5: across North America. You know, it's like five thousand kilometers
Speaker 5: twenty three hundred miles something like that. I am smelling
Speaker 5: through her, smelling her surroundings, feeling the feeling of water
Speaker 5: on her skin. This says so much more about who
Speaker 5: we are than what we think we are. But again,
Speaker 5: I don't want people to think that I'm saying I
Speaker 5: have some superpower. I am representing you. The reason why
Speaker 5: I talk about this is not to say what I
Speaker 5: can do. This is more important to say about what
Speaker 5: we can do. I'm like everybody else. I don't get
Speaker 5: it right every time, no remote viewer does. It's not
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like an extreme case too. This is
Speaker 3: much more beyond what a normal remote viewing thing is. Correct.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I'm sure there's areas of remote viewing
Speaker 5: that none of us know about how deep it goes.
Speaker 3: But about it from SRI it was like a little
Speaker 3: drawing that people made. Not this experience of.
Speaker 5: They do do this. This is something that they found, surprisingly,
Speaker 5: people were really good at. Actually they would just say, okay,
Speaker 5: we're I'm going to take you somewhere they or they
Speaker 5: might leave the remote viewer or you know. Oftentimes at
Speaker 5: SRI they weren't using remote viewers. They were having people
Speaker 5: skeptics come in who wanted to know what was going
Speaker 5: on here. And I'm talking high level skeptics like you know,
Speaker 5: Cia or whoever. And they didn't believe this at all.
Speaker 5: And so the way they would deal with this help
Speaker 5: put Off and Rustle targ and these guys. The way
Speaker 5: they would deal with this is they would make them
Speaker 5: the person. They would leave them with a piece of
Speaker 5: paper and a pen, and they'd say we're going to
Speaker 5: go somewhere and they would give them instructions to quiet
Speaker 5: their mind and try to perceive, and over and over
Speaker 5: and over they would find that that skeptic, that person
Speaker 5: would get accurate representations of where they went. So this
Speaker 5: is I think how they found out about the first
Speaker 5: time effect. Because you can never convince someone that they
Speaker 5: can do this or that this is real. People have
Speaker 5: to convince themselves that this is real. There are studies
Speaker 5: out there of remote viewing using your dreams. So sometimes
Speaker 5: you know, setting up a remote view protocol for yourself
Speaker 5: to try. It doesn't always seem that easy, but there's
Speaker 5: ways to do this even with your dreams, so that
Speaker 5: you can do it yourself. I wish I could remember
Speaker 5: the name of the study. I always remember the second
Speaker 5: part reading the news evidence of retrocrausality. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 5: the study is called. It's a triple blind precognitive dream
Speaker 5: remote viewing study. There were thirty three trials and I
Speaker 5: believe twenty one of them more accurate, and they were
Speaker 5: independently judged. But basically, what they're doing is they're taking
Speaker 5: the idea of a target that you would use in
Speaker 5: remote viewing. Like the target can be anything out of
Speaker 5: infinite possibilities, a person, place, event, or thing. Right, you
Speaker 5: would take that written target, or someone would give you
Speaker 5: a written target, and you just think about it before
Speaker 5: you go to sleep. Some people are exquisite at this,
Speaker 5: by the way, such as Dell Graf and Patricia Cyrus.
Speaker 5: They are squ is it at this, but they get
Speaker 5: independent judges. They put this through major scientific grigor the
Speaker 5: way they set up this, and it is incredible what
Speaker 5: they're able to do, so there are lots of ways
Speaker 5: for people to try this for themselves. It's out there.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to be talking more
Speaker 3: with Tracy, who's done not only remote viewing, she's now
Speaker 3: also studying abductee cases. So we're going to get into
Speaker 3: that a little bit and see what she's found with
Speaker 3: her recent case studies. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're
Speaker 3: talking at Tracy garbat Dolan about remote viewing and now
Speaker 3: we're going to move on to her studying abductee cases.
Speaker 3: I understand you've been doing that lately. What have you
Speaker 3: found there, Tracy.
Speaker 5: True True True, Well, I got into this because, beknownst
Speaker 5: to a lot of people, I was working helping to
Speaker 5: produce a TV show in the encounter field for a
Speaker 5: couple of years, and the show ended up getting canceled.
Speaker 5: But I interviewed. I spent a good couple of years
Speaker 5: doing deep, deep interviews on people, mostly who nobody's ever
Speaker 5: heard of. And when the error report came out, and
Speaker 5: really a lot of people who had spoken into them
Speaker 5: took this very hard. You know, they felt like they
Speaker 5: had been betrayed by Arrow calling them liars, and they
Speaker 5: had been waiting fifty sixty years to tell these unusual
Speaker 5: stories that happened to them. Most people were jet.
Speaker 3: Right here, trad You're saying, you have first person accounts
Speaker 3: telling you that they shared with Arrow their stories.
Speaker 5: No, I'm sorry I made that a bit confusing. It
Speaker 5: was Arrow and listening to people who felt betrayed by
Speaker 5: them listening to it, and becoming aware of the people
Speaker 5: who felt betrayed in telling their stories. That motivated me
Speaker 5: to come out with the research that I had, first
Speaker 5: person research that I had done to speak up for
Speaker 5: these people whose cases I had, you know, gone through
Speaker 5: and I attempted to find the most credible cases I
Speaker 5: could find, you know, seeing people like Bob Jacobs. You know,
Speaker 5: he wasn't an abductee, he wasn't claiming a close encounter,
Speaker 5: but he had a sighting that was incredible an experience,
Speaker 5: and he just felt they were being called liars. And
Speaker 5: I just thought, how many people like him are out
Speaker 5: there who've been holding onto this secret their entire lives
Speaker 5: and they're still afraid to come forward. And even if
Speaker 5: they were considering it, look at what just happened now
Speaker 5: to people like Bob Jacobs, who and in this case,
Speaker 5: it was a sighting, and it's just going to make
Speaker 5: people retract. And I, you know, I had done this research.
Speaker 5: I decided to come out with it and call it
Speaker 5: living in Silence because people have had some incredible things happen,
Speaker 5: and I think that encounters with something else, and I
Speaker 5: don't think it's fair to discount them from a psychological
Speaker 5: perspective and from a historical perspect when it's forty fifty
Speaker 5: years down the road and we know more about what's
Speaker 5: going on. What if we are looking we look, they
Speaker 5: will be looking back at this moment, at the time
Speaker 5: when we were still stigmatized and people were afraid to
Speaker 5: come forward, and the Bob Jacobs situation was happening, where
Speaker 5: he you know, he's a professional observer that worked for
Speaker 5: the military and he had everything to lose, no reason
Speaker 5: to come forward. You know, they might study this point
Speaker 5: in time, this historical critical moment where all of these
Speaker 5: people were trying to tell the truth, or they were
Speaker 5: afraid to tell the truth, or they died with their secret.
Speaker 5: Maybe they told their children and made their children swear
Speaker 5: they would never say it because they were afraid about
Speaker 5: their children's careers. They were afraid about you know, there's
Speaker 5: there's a million ways that people are stigmatized today. But
Speaker 5: the bottom line is we don't know what's going on,
Speaker 5: So why not record the data with simple dignity?
Speaker 3: Well you can too, because these guys are getting older,
Speaker 3: just like the Roswell case. You know, they're running out
Speaker 3: of witnesses that are still alive. Because some of these
Speaker 3: guys finally told deathbed confessions in the row.
Speaker 5: That's great. We have a whole generation right now that's
Speaker 5: not going to be around at some point and they
Speaker 5: may not get the chance to see what's on the
Speaker 5: other side of this.
Speaker 3: I love documenting that. Let me ask you this. You
Speaker 3: mentioned psychology. I know you have a background in psychology.
Speaker 3: So with somebody who has a background in psychology, don't
Speaker 3: you think that this could be something else, childhood drama, dreams,
Speaker 3: wires getting crossed or something. Sure, how do you know
Speaker 3: it's non human intelligence that people are communicating with?
Speaker 5: You don't necessarily. What you do is you do your
Speaker 5: best to take in the context of their life. There's
Speaker 5: two things here. I think there's the raw preserve of
Speaker 5: data that's necessary because we don't know. In neuroscience, psychology,
Speaker 5: it's all really management of patterns of what we're observing
Speaker 5: and what we're learning. We don't know why. We don't
Speaker 5: know what dreams are about. We don't fully know how
Speaker 5: the mind works. We don't know how you know where
Speaker 5: thoughts exactly are coming from. We're learning more and more,
Speaker 5: but near death experiences. We've done our best to track
Speaker 5: all the patterns and understand what it is. But do
Speaker 5: we know ultimately no, out of bodies, no lucid dreams. No.
Speaker 5: We do our best. Could childhood things be mixed in here?
Speaker 5: Yes for some people, absolutely, Like we do not know.
Speaker 5: But I think one way of studying this that's healthy
Speaker 5: is case studies, qualitative data, doing case studies and looking,
Speaker 5: you know, preserving the data, getting context and all of
Speaker 5: those things can be part of the context. But those
Speaker 5: things would be good to track, you know, they would
Speaker 5: be good to track. There's all sorts of possibilities, but
Speaker 5: on so many levels we do not understand who we are.
Speaker 5: And that's why I think it's so important to gather
Speaker 5: the information in a raw format and preserve it because
Speaker 5: in the future we might understand it. And this is
Speaker 5: where one area where AI might actually help us. Because
Speaker 5: we have all of these amazing researchers of the past,
Speaker 5: like John Mack and all of their files. You know,
Speaker 5: we could redact all of the personal information, add in
Speaker 5: all of the accounts. Now we would have to know
Speaker 5: that there would be a margin of error of you know,
Speaker 5: of course, we have people who want attention and can
Speaker 5: are capable of making things up. We have people who
Speaker 5: might be delusional and that might play in But you know,
Speaker 5: we don't even fully understand schizophrenia. We don't fully understand
Speaker 5: multiple personality disorder, we don't understand a lot of the
Speaker 5: we don't understand death completely. But there are links between
Speaker 5: these and encounters that need to be studied further. For example,
Speaker 5: gamma brain waves show up in a lot of SI
Speaker 5: and they also show up in schizophrenia, They show up
Speaker 5: in pain, They show up with ayahuasca. Now we know
Speaker 5: as of a study in twenty twenty four they show
Speaker 5: up also in the death experience. There were four people
Speaker 5: who happened to have EEGs on for one reason or another.
Speaker 5: All four of them, I can't remember the circumstances died
Speaker 5: and two of the four had massive gamma bursts at
Speaker 5: the point of death. And so there are these aren't answers,
Speaker 5: their clues, their areas for us to pursue. And if
Speaker 5: we do continue to gather the data, we might learn more.
Speaker 5: And it's easy for us to judge these things right
Speaker 5: now as valid or not valid. But I think a
Speaker 5: lot of it we're just not going to know for
Speaker 5: a long time. So why not gather this, you know,
Speaker 5: why not try to?
Speaker 3: Well, you want, I ask you do these experiences? How
Speaker 3: do they psychologically affect these people's worldview? Their paraigm must
Speaker 3: be thrown upside down.
Speaker 5: That's another thing that's important to be tracked. I call
Speaker 5: it emotional signature, because in the cases that I studied myself,
Speaker 5: there is a clear demarkation in their lives before a
Speaker 5: major event, and after a major event, you have clear
Speaker 5: signs of trauma that match trauma of any other field.
Speaker 5: It's processed by a different part of the brain. It's
Speaker 5: told as though they are in it, and their whole
Speaker 5: body is reacting like they're back inside the trauma. So
Speaker 5: there's all sorts of markers here to indicate that something
Speaker 5: massive has changed their life from before this happened to
Speaker 5: after this has happened, and so we don't know what's
Speaker 5: going on. We can't prove that there was an abduction
Speaker 5: or an encounter or anything like that, but what we
Speaker 5: can prove is that it has massively affected these people's lives.
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're
Speaker 3: talking with Tracy about these different abduction cases she's looked at. Tracy,
Speaker 3: do you see similarities across all these different cases you're
Speaker 3: looking at or are they all very distinct?
Speaker 5: Well, oddly, the ones that I've done up Prince of
Speaker 5: twenty hours per person, not all of them are that long.
Speaker 5: But some of them are a lot of minor outliers.
Speaker 5: It just happened this way. They're very unusual cases, and
Speaker 5: this is part of the reason why I realized very
Speaker 5: quickly the context was so important of their lives and
Speaker 5: the other types of experiences that they had, and whether
Speaker 5: they'd had any joint experiences with anyone else in their
Speaker 5: family this type of thing. But no, to answer your question,
Speaker 5: I mostly have outliers. One of them is with a
Speaker 5: creature that we've never heard reported before and a craft
Speaker 5: that is very rarely ever described. And this gentleman is
Speaker 5: a materialist, atheist, very serious engineer. Mind I called this
Speaker 5: in my lecture a most credible man with the most
Speaker 5: incredible story because it is very difficult story for us,
Speaker 5: and it's honestly, it's a motivation for a lot of
Speaker 5: the things I'm saying, because it is a story that
Speaker 5: is too difficult for a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 5: it's this isn't supposed to happen, This isn't supposed to exist,
Speaker 5: and I walk through could this be a have been
Speaker 5: a stroke? So I had to look into that, you know,
Speaker 5: all the skeptical arguments. We want to look into those
Speaker 5: and see how they fare against those.
Speaker 3: You know, I try everything first, and the alien answer last.
Speaker 5: Right. And you know what's funny, he really reminds me
Speaker 5: of you know, for people who've seen the movie Contact
Speaker 5: that Jodie Foster and her character, he really reminds me
Speaker 5: of this because in that story, she is this very
Speaker 5: credible scientist. You know, she's a materialist atheist. She believes
Speaker 5: in science so strictly, and you know, people really respected her.
Speaker 5: But then she has this experience that is so outside
Speaker 5: of the realm it cracks her. You know, she has
Speaker 5: this experience with her father, you know, it was these beings.
Speaker 5: I feel like, for people who haven't seen it, this
Speaker 5: is terrible that I'm saying this, But she has an
Speaker 5: experience that just cracks her whole world. But when she
Speaker 5: comes back, she is still the scientist and she is
Speaker 5: reporting to her colleagues and this panel, what has happened
Speaker 5: as a materialist scientist, Something that is not supposed to
Speaker 5: happen happened. She can't explain it, she doesn't know why.
Speaker 5: But she's still that credible person that they all respected.
Speaker 5: But now that she says this, they take her off
Speaker 5: and they don't believe her. So this is like my
Speaker 5: case study of Joe. He is just like this. He
Speaker 5: would not believe. He is not fantasy prone. He is not.
Speaker 5: He is solid as it gets. You know, as a materialist.
Speaker 5: He was a firefighter. He was a paramedic for eleven
Speaker 5: of those years, and a very good one, and so
Speaker 5: he knows about stroke, he knows about medical assessments. Yet
Speaker 5: this unbelievable story happens to him, with this creature and
Speaker 5: this craft, and he wanted the president to know when this,
Speaker 5: you know, after it happened. He tried calling Smithsonian, he
Speaker 5: tried calling NASA. He wanted authorities to know because he
Speaker 5: saw this. People with the most incredible stories that are
Speaker 5: really challenge us. We don't know exactly what it is,
Speaker 5: but something has happened to them that has changed their
Speaker 5: life on the most fundamental and profound scale.
Speaker 3: It must be so difficult for someone like that who
Speaker 3: feels the right thing to do is to call the
Speaker 3: president and tell the world what just happened, and yet
Speaker 3: no one will believe them, and that must be an awful.
Speaker 5: Feeling, right, So he did try to do all this
Speaker 5: and it did fall on deaf ears, which is why
Speaker 5: he qualified for my lecture Living in Silence, because in
Speaker 5: his case, nobody would listen and he couldn't understand. And
Speaker 5: he also contacted SETI, which was interesting because search for
Speaker 5: extraterrestrial life, and they said, we don't do this. You know,
Speaker 5: it's very difficult. It was very, very disheartening for him,
Speaker 5: and it really this is one of the main problems
Speaker 5: is the isolation because people can't talk about it.
Speaker 3: There's nowhere to go. You have the UFO Reporting Agency,
Speaker 3: you have mofin, you have a few of these things,
Speaker 3: but then it just gets listed as another case in
Speaker 3: get lost.
Speaker 5: In the Yeah, it's tough, and you know, I just
Speaker 5: want to say a lot of people try to reach
Speaker 5: out to researchers and they don't understand why the researchers
Speaker 5: don't reach back. But the thing is the researchers are
Speaker 5: really overtaxed and they're kind of you know, a lot
Speaker 5: of them don't have people helping them, so it's sort
Speaker 5: of like a floodgate coming into this v this bottleneck
Speaker 5: and as much as people want to do this, they
Speaker 5: just can't take on all the cases. Like even myself,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm a bottleneck because I like to be
Speaker 5: very thorough and learn as much as I can, because
Speaker 5: that's what it's really about. We do not know, so
Speaker 5: let's try to learn from what we're hearing. We just
Speaker 5: gather more and more information and think of more questions
Speaker 5: we can ask because one day AI is going to
Speaker 5: be able to do, you know, a meta analysis of
Speaker 5: potential patterns and insights that we never saw.
Speaker 3: Which is why it's so important for you to document
Speaker 3: this data while you can't.
Speaker 5: Right right totally. So you know, I think I was
Speaker 5: mentioning to you before when I was working for this show.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons I agreed to do it was
Speaker 5: because they agreed to one thing I asked for is
Speaker 5: I didn't want any age restrictions on this, and I
Speaker 5: loved that they granted me that because many TV shows want,
Speaker 5: you know, younger people, and I think there's really important
Speaker 5: stories to be told, and in my research, I found
Speaker 5: incredible stories of people born in the forties and the fifties,
Speaker 5: and so it inspired me to start this project I'm
Speaker 5: doing called the Legends Project. Now it's not fully sorted
Speaker 5: out how I'm going to do this archiving, but I
Speaker 5: feel compelled to attempt to get cases of people who
Speaker 5: were born in the forties and fifties in particular, to
Speaker 5: intake as many of their cases as I can under
Speaker 5: this umbrella I'm calling the Legends Project because they are
Speaker 5: the legends that we are going to not have around forever.
Speaker 5: So I'm most concerned about them right now.
Speaker 3: And we often hear that these cases also it's a
Speaker 3: lifelong thing that starts when they're young and to go
Speaker 3: throughout their whole life. So these are the peoples right.
Speaker 5: This is another reason why it's difficult for them to
Speaker 5: even tell their stories. It's like they always will say
Speaker 5: where do I start? You know, like a lot of
Speaker 5: them will have a main event, but then they'll have
Speaker 5: several other events like you're saying, and oftentimes something else
Speaker 5: will get triggered from childhood, and often these are generational
Speaker 5: and all of this takes a while to unfold. Out
Speaker 5: of the people I've been talking to and by the way,
Speaker 5: a lot of them are not. You know, I found them.
Speaker 5: They weren't out there saying listen to me, listen to me.
Speaker 5: I found them just through synchronicity, random. But I'm also
Speaker 5: always throwing out little seeds. You know, it breaks my
Speaker 5: heart to think of people going to their deathbed and
Speaker 5: feeling like they couldn't tell this story. That's really I'm
Speaker 5: really giving.
Speaker 3: Them a place to do this too, Tracy, because you know,
Speaker 3: they can get it off their chest. They feel like
Speaker 3: they've shared their story, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well I want that for them. And you know, you know,
Speaker 5: if some people, maybe even maybe their parents have passed
Speaker 5: and their parents told them a story, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to judge that story. I think one part of the
Speaker 5: Legends Project should be unfiltered, you know, where the stories
Speaker 5: can just come in for posterity and they're not going
Speaker 5: to be They're just going to come in and they're
Speaker 5: going to be file archived, you know, And there would
Speaker 5: be another section where we might you know, investigate and
Speaker 5: do case studies. So working through all of this, but
Speaker 5: I do have an email address for this, just ihad
Speaker 5: and give that out right now. Yeah, it's called the
Speaker 5: Legends Project. At proton dot me. So some people don't
Speaker 5: like to use Gmail, some people don't like their names
Speaker 5: out there. They want something more secure. So at the moment,
Speaker 5: this is what I'm doing, and we'll see how this develops,
Speaker 5: but it is the Legends project at Proton dot me
Speaker 5: for the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much, Tracy, We're going to have
Speaker 3: to stop there. I really appreciate your real worldview on
Speaker 3: these topics, and I really think you're doing a very
Speaker 3: noble thing by helping these people get their stories out
Speaker 3: and to document this data, which I think will be
Speaker 3: valuable down the road. Thank you everyone for listening to
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