1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: podcast network. I'll get ready for another episode of Beyond 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Contact with Captain Wrong. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 3: And your needs. 10 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 4: we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 4: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today I'm 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: speaking with Tracy Garbett Dolan. Tracy's a distinguished member of 16 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: the UFO community known for her work as a remote viewer, 17 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: a close encounter researcher, and a lecturer. Along with her 18 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: husband Richard Dolan, she's the co director of the Richard 19 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 3: Dolan Members website and also she co hosts There Off 20 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: the Cuff podcast with Richard and Tracy. Hi, Tracy, thank 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: you so much for coming on. 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 5: Hey Ron, so great to be here. Thanks for having 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 5: me your. 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: Remote viewing work. I'm very familiar with remote viewing through 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: Russell targ and his work at SRI. Of course, it's 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: pretty incredible stuff. How would you describe what remote viewing is? 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 5: Remote viewing is simply gathering psychic perceptions about a target 28 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 5: that is hidden from you. And when we talk about 29 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 5: CRV or controlled remote viewing formerly known as coordinate remote viewing, 30 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 5: we're talking about your intuition, but with a set of 31 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 5: protocols or instructions over top of it. And that's it. 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 5: That's really what it is. That a lot of people wonder, 33 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 5: you know, what's the difference between a psychic and a 34 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 5: remote viewer? You know what we hear so classically these days, 35 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 5: the military version or the version that started out of Stanford, 36 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 5: And that's really what it is. There's a certain method 37 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 5: that they developed a set of instructions to help pull 38 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 5: this out of people. So when we get psychic perceptions ourselves, 39 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 5: it's typically spontaneous. You know, when we have an intuition 40 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 5: about something we we shouldn't go down that alley and 41 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 5: it ends up being something dangerous, or you know, we 42 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 5: have this intuition at play all the time. Remote viewing 43 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 5: is more how do you take that spontane intuition and 44 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 5: make it an active practice? So people will wonder, you know, 45 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 5: could I help if I have spontaneous psychic moments? Could 46 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 5: I find a way to sort of harness that and 47 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 5: target something? And people will often say, you know, maybe 48 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 5: help find missing children or you know, help the police 49 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 5: with something. And that's why some people get into it. 50 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 5: Can I target something? You know your mind can do it. 51 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 5: I mean, for almost all of us, we've had an 52 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 5: intuitive moment where you knew something was going to happen 53 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 5: to your child, or something was going to happen to 54 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 5: your spouse, or you know, we've we've had this. We know, 55 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: we get this and it feels very natural. But of course, 56 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 5: is there a way to sort of hone that into 57 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 5: an active practice? And that's really what remote viewing is. 58 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 5: It's done by a target or some people might say 59 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 5: intention you're managing, You're a tension into a certain space. 60 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 5: So for example, I want to find this person. With 61 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 5: that focused attention, you're quieting the mind and allowing yourself 62 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 5: to perceive any perception, subtle perceptions that come in and 63 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 5: now the protocols developed at Stanford Research Institute and the 64 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 5: military at this point assist in doing that. That's all. 65 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 5: That's all it is. 66 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: It's more intentional. I think Russell said that it seems 67 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: to be an an and innate ability is. In fact, 68 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: people new to this seem to do even better than 69 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 3: those who have learned the methods and skills. Why would 70 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: that be. 71 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a first time effect that they found in 72 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 5: the lab and I don't know why this is, but 73 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 5: it just is when people try it for the first time. 74 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 5: I think it has a lot to do with your 75 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 5: state of mind. You know, as I've explored different schools 76 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 5: of mind and done lots of experimenting and with remote 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 5: viewing myself, there is an interesting piece that we don't 78 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 5: talk about a lot, and that is state of mind. 79 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 5: You'll also see this at the Monroe Institute when people 80 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 5: are wanting to go out of body for example, that's 81 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 5: what they'll go there for. They want to have an 82 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 5: out of body experience or they want to have an 83 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 5: altered state experience if they go in. This applies to 84 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 5: remote viewing too. If when you go into these things 85 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 5: and you've heard about it for the first time, and 86 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 5: you hear these incredible stories of what's happened. Your belief 87 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 5: increases that in the possibility, right, So that's one psychological factor. Also, 88 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 5: you have what a little bit of what they call 89 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 5: beginner's mind, where you know your belief increases and you 90 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 5: it's almost like a game, like you're not invested in 91 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 5: what the outcome is, so you kind of you're not 92 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 5: putting pressure on yourself. All the pressure isn't there. You're 93 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 5: just like, Okay, can I prove this to myself? But 94 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 5: it's really this innocent state of mind, an openness, And 95 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 5: I think this has a lot to do with why 96 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 5: people will do very well in the beginning and get 97 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 5: very strong psychic icits. It is innate. I do believe 98 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 5: this as well. I believe it's as innate as you 99 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 5: know the whales charting their course and you know these 100 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 5: patterns that we see in nature. I think it is 101 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 5: that innate and that natural. It's old in us from 102 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 5: when we were hunters and gatherers. I think a lot 103 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 5: of us believe this, but it's just now we don't 104 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 5: value it. Our mind doesn't need it, so we don't 105 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 5: use it, and so it seems like it's something that's 106 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 5: magic when it's really not. 107 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: But as far as I know that it's real, then 108 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: how do you know it's not magical? How do you know? 109 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: Have you had enough success personally that you believe it's real? 110 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: Why do you think that. 111 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 5: This is Yeah, yeah, I think that's it. The way 112 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 5: I feel about promote viewing and all of these psychic 113 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 5: modalities is it's one thing to hear your stories of 114 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 5: other people, but it's quite another for you to prove 115 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 5: it to yourself. And I was on this journey because 116 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 5: life presented it to me. I had had some predictions, 117 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 5: not predictions, but you know, I saw my father dying 118 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 5: when he was perfectly healthy, and he died, you know. 119 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 5: And there's lots of people who have things like this. 120 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: That sounds more like a psychic prediction than a remote viewing. 121 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so I'm not saying that's a remote viewing. Sorry, 122 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 5: I'm saying that's an example of things that we that 123 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 5: happened to us naturally. But with remote viewing, yeah, it's 124 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 5: something that you it's a personal journey. It's not so 125 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 5: much about I can remote view the moon, I can 126 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 5: do this hearing what other people can do, it's important 127 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 5: because it teaches us about who we really are. And 128 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 5: so for me, I wanted to know if these things 129 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 5: had happened to me spontaneously in the past, which they did, 130 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 5: what can it really do? And I threw myself into 131 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 5: all sorts of strange things to see what are our 132 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 5: minds really designed for. It doesn't seem like it's complete 133 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 5: everything we're learning, so I would experiment on myself. And 134 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 5: you know, remote viewing is one of those things, and 135 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 5: I did have an experience that blew my own mind. 136 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 5: And there's different types of remote viewing that will practice. 137 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 5: Sometimes it could be something as simple as having an 138 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 5: envelope with a target that's hidden from you that someone 139 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 5: else will put in the envelope, right, But sometimes they 140 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 5: have something called an outbounder. This is where I'll give 141 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 5: this example that I did, where they will put somebody 142 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 5: somewhere in the world that you don't know, and you 143 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: have to attempt to remote view the person at wherever 144 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 5: they are in the world and be able to determine 145 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 5: whether they are male or female and describe their entire environment. 146 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 5: So that's what an outbounder is and this is what 147 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 5: changed my life absolutely well. 148 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: It's very interesting to think about that this is possible 149 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: because you use the word magic earlier, and when you're 150 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: describing this now, it does sound almost like it is magic. 151 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: That you could suddenly see somebody that's not in front 152 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 3: of you. 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How that share? 204 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, So this is something that they'll they will sometimes arrange. 205 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 5: This is pre arranged, a pre arranged experiment, So you 206 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 5: don't know anything about it except that a person has 207 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 5: been placed somewhere in the world and you have to 208 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 5: determine where they are, what their environment is like, and 209 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 5: whether they're male or female. So, just after relaxing myself 210 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 5: and writing the target number and doing a few things 211 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 5: that we're taught to do like this, all of a sudden, 212 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 5: all of my senses came online. You know, I'm smelling 213 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 5: very specific smells. I'm feeling things that I don't even 214 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 5: know how to describe. How I'm feeling them, you know, 215 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 5: I know things like I could smell and feel the 216 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 5: mist on my face. I could smell ducts. I could 217 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 5: smell a particular type of water that was enclosed, and 218 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 5: I could smell all the moss on the concrete that 219 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 5: was enclosing the water. I could sense how big of 220 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 5: a body of water this is. I could sense that 221 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 5: there were structures around in busyness, so it was in 222 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 5: the middle of a city. I could just shadowy like 223 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 5: people think that you see this like a movie, and 224 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 5: there might be some people out there that can do that. 225 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 5: I cannot, and many people cannot. It's very shadowy. You're 226 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 5: trying to relax more so that the perception's coming clearer. 227 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 5: And I'm seeing this shadowy turtle shape big though, and 228 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 5: then this very tall, tall something. I can tell that 229 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 5: it's a fountain because I can feel the mist in 230 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 5: the air hitting my face and the sun, and I 231 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 5: can smell the animals that are around me. I could 232 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 5: smell the ducks everywhere. I can smell the fish, and 233 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 5: I know this is not ocean water. And I'm amazed 234 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 5: that this is coming in this clear, but I am 235 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 5: immersed during this, and you can tell even what I'm 236 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 5: telling it. I'm back in it, you know, experiencing it. 237 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 5: But then something else came through the most interesting piece 238 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 5: to me. Suddenly I saw a reflective surface and a 239 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 5: woman's eye looking at me. It was incredibly clear, probably 240 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 5: one of the clearest things I've ever seen in my 241 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: remote views. When the reveal came, I knew it was 242 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 5: a woman, and I had all of this description and 243 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 5: drawings of where I was, and they will show you 244 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 5: pictures that they had pre arranged, so you get the 245 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 5: feedback like, oh my God, Like I really I knew 246 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 5: something inside me, knew on a deep level I was there. 247 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 5: I knew what it was going to look like ish, 248 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 5: and it was. It was it. And then you know, 249 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 5: here's the one of the crazier things. I know. I've 250 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 5: told you this story before, but years later it ended 251 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 5: up being Orlando, by the way, Orlando, Florida. Years later, 252 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 5: through weird synchronicities, I end up living I was a 253 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 5: Canadian my whole life living, moving to Orlando, Florida, and 254 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: I end up meeting the woman who I remote viewed. 255 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: Okay, so beyond synchronicity. 256 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 5: When I met her, I wasn't in the mode of like, 257 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 5: oh my god, I did this. It's not about that. 258 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 5: I was so excited to ask her a million questions 259 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 5: about how this could have happened. 260 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: Right, did she play a role? Was she connected? Right? 261 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,239 Speaker 5: Because she isn't. As it turns out, is an incredible 262 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 5: remote viewer. Her name is Patricia Cyrus. She has done 263 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 5: a lot of work with Dell Graf. I take her 264 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 5: to lunch and I bring my remote view and I 265 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 5: tell her about the reflective surface and how I knew, 266 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 5: you know, she was a woman. And she says to me, 267 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 5: oh my gosh, when I was sitting there at that park. 268 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 5: It was Lake Iola in Orlando, Florida. If anybody listening 269 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 5: knows this place, she said, I was sitting there on 270 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: the bench at the park and I thought of taking 271 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 5: I opened up my purse and I took out a 272 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 5: compact mirror and I looked at myself in the eye 273 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 5: in case it would help anybody. And I did not 274 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 5: previously know this, and that I was amazed when I 275 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 5: at the first part, you know, years before where they 276 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 5: had done the reveal. But this is what made the 277 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 5: huge impact on me, because I was looking through her 278 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 5: eyes or my eyes at her looking back at me. 279 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 5: It's really almost hard for me to wrap my own 280 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 5: head around this. What happened there? So I was in Vancouver, Canada. 281 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 5: She was in Orlando, Florida. So we're kitty corner here 282 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: across North America. You know, it's like five thousand kilometers 283 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 5: twenty three hundred miles something like that. I am smelling 284 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: through her, smelling her surroundings, feeling the feeling of water 285 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 5: on her skin. This says so much more about who 286 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 5: we are than what we think we are. But again, 287 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 5: I don't want people to think that I'm saying I 288 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 5: have some superpower. I am representing you. The reason why 289 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 5: I talk about this is not to say what I 290 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 5: can do. This is more important to say about what 291 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 5: we can do. I'm like everybody else. I don't get 292 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,239 Speaker 5: it right every time, no remote viewer does. It's not 293 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 5: like that. 294 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like an extreme case too. This is 295 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: much more beyond what a normal remote viewing thing is. Correct. 296 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I'm sure there's areas of remote viewing 297 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 5: that none of us know about how deep it goes. 298 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 3: But about it from SRI it was like a little 299 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 3: drawing that people made. Not this experience of. 300 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 5: They do do this. This is something that they found, surprisingly, 301 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 5: people were really good at. Actually they would just say, okay, 302 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 5: we're I'm going to take you somewhere they or they 303 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 5: might leave the remote viewer or you know. Oftentimes at 304 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 5: SRI they weren't using remote viewers. They were having people 305 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 5: skeptics come in who wanted to know what was going 306 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 5: on here. And I'm talking high level skeptics like you know, 307 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 5: Cia or whoever. And they didn't believe this at all. 308 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 5: And so the way they would deal with this help 309 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 5: put Off and Rustle targ and these guys. The way 310 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 5: they would deal with this is they would make them 311 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 5: the person. They would leave them with a piece of 312 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 5: paper and a pen, and they'd say we're going to 313 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 5: go somewhere and they would give them instructions to quiet 314 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 5: their mind and try to perceive, and over and over 315 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 5: and over they would find that that skeptic, that person 316 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: would get accurate representations of where they went. So this 317 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 5: is I think how they found out about the first 318 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 5: time effect. Because you can never convince someone that they 319 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: can do this or that this is real. People have 320 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 5: to convince themselves that this is real. There are studies 321 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 5: out there of remote viewing using your dreams. So sometimes 322 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 5: you know, setting up a remote view protocol for yourself 323 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 5: to try. It doesn't always seem that easy, but there's 324 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 5: ways to do this even with your dreams, so that 325 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 5: you can do it yourself. I wish I could remember 326 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 5: the name of the study. I always remember the second 327 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 5: part reading the news evidence of retrocrausality. Yeah, that's what 328 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 5: the study is called. It's a triple blind precognitive dream 329 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 5: remote viewing study. There were thirty three trials and I 330 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 5: believe twenty one of them more accurate, and they were 331 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 5: independently judged. But basically, what they're doing is they're taking 332 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 5: the idea of a target that you would use in 333 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 5: remote viewing. Like the target can be anything out of 334 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 5: infinite possibilities, a person, place, event, or thing. Right, you 335 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 5: would take that written target, or someone would give you 336 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 5: a written target, and you just think about it before 337 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 5: you go to sleep. Some people are exquisite at this, 338 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 5: by the way, such as Dell Graf and Patricia Cyrus. 339 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 5: They are squ is it at this, but they get 340 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 5: independent judges. They put this through major scientific grigor the 341 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 5: way they set up this, and it is incredible what 342 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 5: they're able to do, so there are lots of ways 343 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 5: for people to try this for themselves. It's out there. 344 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to be talking more 345 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: with Tracy, who's done not only remote viewing, she's now 346 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: also studying abductee cases. 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What have you 374 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: found there, Tracy. 375 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 5: True True True, Well, I got into this because, beknownst 376 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 5: to a lot of people, I was working helping to 377 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 5: produce a TV show in the encounter field for a 378 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 5: couple of years, and the show ended up getting canceled. 379 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 5: But I interviewed. I spent a good couple of years 380 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 5: doing deep, deep interviews on people, mostly who nobody's ever 381 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 5: heard of. And when the error report came out, and 382 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: really a lot of people who had spoken into them 383 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 5: took this very hard. You know, they felt like they 384 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: had been betrayed by Arrow calling them liars, and they 385 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: had been waiting fifty sixty years to tell these unusual 386 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 5: stories that happened to them. Most people were jet. 387 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: Right here, trad You're saying, you have first person accounts 388 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: telling you that they shared with Arrow their stories. 389 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 5: No, I'm sorry I made that a bit confusing. It 390 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 5: was Arrow and listening to people who felt betrayed by 391 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: them listening to it, and becoming aware of the people 392 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: who felt betrayed in telling their stories. That motivated me 393 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 5: to come out with the research that I had, first 394 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 5: person research that I had done to speak up for 395 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 5: these people whose cases I had, you know, gone through 396 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 5: and I attempted to find the most credible cases I 397 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 5: could find, you know, seeing people like Bob Jacobs. You know, 398 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: he wasn't an abductee, he wasn't claiming a close encounter, 399 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 5: but he had a sighting that was incredible an experience, 400 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 5: and he just felt they were being called liars. And 401 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 5: I just thought, how many people like him are out 402 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 5: there who've been holding onto this secret their entire lives 403 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 5: and they're still afraid to come forward. And even if 404 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 5: they were considering it, look at what just happened now 405 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: to people like Bob Jacobs, who and in this case, 406 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 5: it was a sighting, and it's just going to make 407 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 5: people retract. And I, you know, I had done this research. 408 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: I decided to come out with it and call it 409 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 5: living in Silence because people have had some incredible things happen, 410 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 5: and I think that encounters with something else, and I 411 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 5: don't think it's fair to discount them from a psychological 412 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 5: perspective and from a historical perspect when it's forty fifty 413 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 5: years down the road and we know more about what's 414 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 5: going on. What if we are looking we look, they 415 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 5: will be looking back at this moment, at the time 416 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 5: when we were still stigmatized and people were afraid to 417 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 5: come forward, and the Bob Jacobs situation was happening, where 418 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 5: he you know, he's a professional observer that worked for 419 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 5: the military and he had everything to lose, no reason 420 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 5: to come forward. You know, they might study this point 421 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 5: in time, this historical critical moment where all of these 422 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 5: people were trying to tell the truth, or they were 423 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 5: afraid to tell the truth, or they died with their secret. 424 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 5: Maybe they told their children and made their children swear 425 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 5: they would never say it because they were afraid about 426 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 5: their children's careers. They were afraid about you know, there's 427 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 5: there's a million ways that people are stigmatized today. But 428 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 5: the bottom line is we don't know what's going on, 429 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 5: So why not record the data with simple dignity? 430 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: Well you can too, because these guys are getting older, 431 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: just like the Roswell case. You know, they're running out 432 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 3: of witnesses that are still alive. Because some of these 433 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: guys finally told deathbed confessions in the row. 434 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 5: That's great. We have a whole generation right now that's 435 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 5: not going to be around at some point and they 436 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 5: may not get the chance to see what's on the 437 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 5: other side of this. 438 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: I love documenting that. Let me ask you this. You 439 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: mentioned psychology. I know you have a background in psychology. 440 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: So with somebody who has a background in psychology, don't 441 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: you think that this could be something else, childhood drama, dreams, 442 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: wires getting crossed or something. Sure, how do you know 443 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 3: it's non human intelligence that people are communicating with? 444 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 5: You don't necessarily. What you do is you do your 445 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 5: best to take in the context of their life. There's 446 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 5: two things here. I think there's the raw preserve of 447 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 5: data that's necessary because we don't know. In neuroscience, psychology, 448 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 5: it's all really management of patterns of what we're observing 449 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 5: and what we're learning. We don't know why. We don't 450 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 5: know what dreams are about. We don't fully know how 451 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: the mind works. We don't know how you know where 452 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 5: thoughts exactly are coming from. We're learning more and more, 453 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: but near death experiences. We've done our best to track 454 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 5: all the patterns and understand what it is. But do 455 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 5: we know ultimately no, out of bodies, no lucid dreams. No. 456 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 5: We do our best. Could childhood things be mixed in here? 457 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 5: Yes for some people, absolutely, Like we do not know. 458 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 5: But I think one way of studying this that's healthy 459 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 5: is case studies, qualitative data, doing case studies and looking, 460 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 5: you know, preserving the data, getting context and all of 461 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 5: those things can be part of the context. But those 462 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 5: things would be good to track, you know, they would 463 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 5: be good to track. There's all sorts of possibilities, but 464 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 5: on so many levels we do not understand who we are. 465 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 5: And that's why I think it's so important to gather 466 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 5: the information in a raw format and preserve it because 467 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 5: in the future we might understand it. And this is 468 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 5: where one area where AI might actually help us. Because 469 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 5: we have all of these amazing researchers of the past, 470 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 5: like John Mack and all of their files. You know, 471 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 5: we could redact all of the personal information, add in 472 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 5: all of the accounts. Now we would have to know 473 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 5: that there would be a margin of error of you know, 474 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 5: of course, we have people who want attention and can 475 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 5: are capable of making things up. We have people who 476 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 5: might be delusional and that might play in But you know, 477 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 5: we don't even fully understand schizophrenia. We don't fully understand 478 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 5: multiple personality disorder, we don't understand a lot of the 479 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 5: we don't understand death completely. But there are links between 480 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 5: these and encounters that need to be studied further. For example, 481 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 5: gamma brain waves show up in a lot of SI 482 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 5: and they also show up in schizophrenia, They show up 483 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 5: in pain, They show up with ayahuasca. Now we know 484 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 5: as of a study in twenty twenty four they show 485 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 5: up also in the death experience. There were four people 486 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 5: who happened to have EEGs on for one reason or another. 487 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 5: All four of them, I can't remember the circumstances died 488 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 5: and two of the four had massive gamma bursts at 489 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 5: the point of death. And so there are these aren't answers, 490 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 5: their clues, their areas for us to pursue. And if 491 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 5: we do continue to gather the data, we might learn more. 492 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 5: And it's easy for us to judge these things right 493 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 5: now as valid or not valid. But I think a 494 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 5: lot of it we're just not going to know for 495 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 5: a long time. So why not gather this, you know, 496 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 5: why not try to? 497 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: Well, you want, I ask you do these experiences? How 498 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: do they psychologically affect these people's worldview? Their paraigm must 499 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 3: be thrown upside down. 500 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 5: That's another thing that's important to be tracked. I call 501 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 5: it emotional signature, because in the cases that I studied myself, 502 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 5: there is a clear demarkation in their lives before a 503 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 5: major event, and after a major event, you have clear 504 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 5: signs of trauma that match trauma of any other field. 505 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 5: It's processed by a different part of the brain. It's 506 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 5: told as though they are in it, and their whole 507 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 5: body is reacting like they're back inside the trauma. So 508 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 5: there's all sorts of markers here to indicate that something 509 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 5: massive has changed their life from before this happened to 510 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 5: after this has happened, and so we don't know what's 511 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 5: going on. We can't prove that there was an abduction 512 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 5: or an encounter or anything like that, but what we 513 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 5: can prove is that it has massively affected these people's lives. 514 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: We're going to have to take another quick break. Here. 515 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: You're listening to Beyond Contact right here on the iHeartRadio 516 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 517 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 11: Hey, folks, we need your music. 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Please make sure and check out 546 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 12: my show Shades of the Afterlife, heard right here on 547 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 12: the iHeartRadio and Coast to cost Am Paranormal podcast network. 548 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're 549 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: talking with Tracy about these different abduction cases she's looked at. Tracy, 550 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: do you see similarities across all these different cases you're 551 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 3: looking at or are they all very distinct? 552 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 5: Well, oddly, the ones that I've done up Prince of 553 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 5: twenty hours per person, not all of them are that long. 554 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 5: But some of them are a lot of minor outliers. 555 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 5: It just happened this way. They're very unusual cases, and 556 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 5: this is part of the reason why I realized very 557 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 5: quickly the context was so important of their lives and 558 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 5: the other types of experiences that they had, and whether 559 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 5: they'd had any joint experiences with anyone else in their 560 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 5: family this type of thing. But no, to answer your question, 561 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 5: I mostly have outliers. One of them is with a 562 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 5: creature that we've never heard reported before and a craft 563 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 5: that is very rarely ever described. And this gentleman is 564 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 5: a materialist, atheist, very serious engineer. Mind I called this 565 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 5: in my lecture a most credible man with the most 566 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 5: incredible story because it is very difficult story for us, 567 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 5: and it's honestly, it's a motivation for a lot of 568 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 5: the things I'm saying, because it is a story that 569 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 5: is too difficult for a lot of people. You know, 570 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 5: it's this isn't supposed to happen, This isn't supposed to exist, 571 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 5: and I walk through could this be a have been 572 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 5: a stroke? So I had to look into that, you know, 573 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 5: all the skeptical arguments. We want to look into those 574 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 5: and see how they fare against those. 575 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 3: You know, I try everything first, and the alien answer last. 576 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 5: Right. And you know what's funny, he really reminds me 577 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 5: of you know, for people who've seen the movie Contact 578 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 5: that Jodie Foster and her character, he really reminds me 579 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 5: of this because in that story, she is this very 580 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 5: credible scientist. You know, she's a materialist atheist. She believes 581 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 5: in science so strictly, and you know, people really respected her. 582 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 5: But then she has this experience that is so outside 583 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 5: of the realm it cracks her. You know, she has 584 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 5: this experience with her father, you know, it was these beings. 585 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 5: I feel like, for people who haven't seen it, this 586 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 5: is terrible that I'm saying this, But she has an 587 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 5: experience that just cracks her whole world. But when she 588 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 5: comes back, she is still the scientist and she is 589 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 5: reporting to her colleagues and this panel, what has happened 590 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 5: as a materialist scientist, Something that is not supposed to 591 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 5: happen happened. She can't explain it, she doesn't know why. 592 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 5: But she's still that credible person that they all respected. 593 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 5: But now that she says this, they take her off 594 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 5: and they don't believe her. So this is like my 595 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 5: case study of Joe. He is just like this. He 596 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 5: would not believe. He is not fantasy prone. He is not. 597 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 5: He is solid as it gets. You know, as a materialist. 598 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 5: He was a firefighter. He was a paramedic for eleven 599 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 5: of those years, and a very good one, and so 600 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 5: he knows about stroke, he knows about medical assessments. Yet 601 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 5: this unbelievable story happens to him, with this creature and 602 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 5: this craft, and he wanted the president to know when this, 603 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 5: you know, after it happened. He tried calling Smithsonian, he 604 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 5: tried calling NASA. He wanted authorities to know because he 605 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 5: saw this. People with the most incredible stories that are 606 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 5: really challenge us. We don't know exactly what it is, 607 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 5: but something has happened to them that has changed their 608 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 5: life on the most fundamental and profound scale. 609 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 3: It must be so difficult for someone like that who 610 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 3: feels the right thing to do is to call the 611 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 3: president and tell the world what just happened, and yet 612 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 3: no one will believe them, and that must be an awful. 613 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 5: Feeling, right, So he did try to do all this 614 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 5: and it did fall on deaf ears, which is why 615 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 5: he qualified for my lecture Living in Silence, because in 616 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 5: his case, nobody would listen and he couldn't understand. And 617 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 5: he also contacted SETI, which was interesting because search for 618 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 5: extraterrestrial life, and they said, we don't do this. You know, 619 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 5: it's very difficult. It was very, very disheartening for him, 620 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 5: and it really this is one of the main problems 621 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 5: is the isolation because people can't talk about it. 622 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 3: There's nowhere to go. You have the UFO Reporting Agency, 623 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 3: you have mofin, you have a few of these things, 624 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 3: but then it just gets listed as another case in 625 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 3: get lost. 626 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 5: In the Yeah, it's tough, and you know, I just 627 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 5: want to say a lot of people try to reach 628 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 5: out to researchers and they don't understand why the researchers 629 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 5: don't reach back. But the thing is the researchers are 630 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 5: really overtaxed and they're kind of you know, a lot 631 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 5: of them don't have people helping them, so it's sort 632 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 5: of like a floodgate coming into this v this bottleneck 633 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 5: and as much as people want to do this, they 634 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 5: just can't take on all the cases. Like even myself, 635 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 5: you know, I'm a bottleneck because I like to be 636 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 5: very thorough and learn as much as I can, because 637 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 5: that's what it's really about. We do not know, so 638 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 5: let's try to learn from what we're hearing. We just 639 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 5: gather more and more information and think of more questions 640 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 5: we can ask because one day AI is going to 641 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 5: be able to do, you know, a meta analysis of 642 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 5: potential patterns and insights that we never saw. 643 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 3: Which is why it's so important for you to document 644 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 3: this data while you can't. 645 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 5: Right right totally. So you know, I think I was 646 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 5: mentioning to you before when I was working for this show. 647 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 5: One of the reasons I agreed to do it was 648 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 5: because they agreed to one thing I asked for is 649 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 5: I didn't want any age restrictions on this, and I 650 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 5: loved that they granted me that because many TV shows want, 651 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 5: you know, younger people, and I think there's really important 652 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 5: stories to be told, and in my research, I found 653 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 5: incredible stories of people born in the forties and the fifties, 654 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 5: and so it inspired me to start this project I'm 655 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 5: doing called the Legends Project. Now it's not fully sorted 656 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 5: out how I'm going to do this archiving, but I 657 00:39:53,800 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 5: feel compelled to attempt to get cases of people who 658 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 5: were born in the forties and fifties in particular, to 659 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 5: intake as many of their cases as I can under 660 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 5: this umbrella I'm calling the Legends Project because they are 661 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 5: the legends that we are going to not have around forever. 662 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 5: So I'm most concerned about them right now. 663 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 3: And we often hear that these cases also it's a 664 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 3: lifelong thing that starts when they're young and to go 665 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 3: throughout their whole life. So these are the peoples right. 666 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 5: This is another reason why it's difficult for them to 667 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 5: even tell their stories. It's like they always will say 668 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 5: where do I start? You know, like a lot of 669 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 5: them will have a main event, but then they'll have 670 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 5: several other events like you're saying, and oftentimes something else 671 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 5: will get triggered from childhood, and often these are generational 672 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 5: and all of this takes a while to unfold. Out 673 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 5: of the people I've been talking to and by the way, 674 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 5: a lot of them are not. You know, I found them. 675 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 5: They weren't out there saying listen to me, listen to me. 676 00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 5: I found them just through synchronicity, random. But I'm also 677 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 5: always throwing out little seeds. You know, it breaks my 678 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 5: heart to think of people going to their deathbed and 679 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 5: feeling like they couldn't tell this story. That's really I'm 680 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 5: really giving. 681 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 3: Them a place to do this too, Tracy, because you know, 682 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 3: they can get it off their chest. They feel like 683 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 3: they've shared their story, right, Yeah. 684 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 5: Well I want that for them. And you know, you know, 685 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 5: if some people, maybe even maybe their parents have passed 686 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 5: and their parents told them a story, I'm not going 687 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 5: to judge that story. I think one part of the 688 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 5: Legends Project should be unfiltered, you know, where the stories 689 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 5: can just come in for posterity and they're not going 690 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 5: to be They're just going to come in and they're 691 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,919 Speaker 5: going to be file archived, you know, And there would 692 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 5: be another section where we might you know, investigate and 693 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 5: do case studies. So working through all of this, but 694 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 5: I do have an email address for this, just ihad 695 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 5: and give that out right now. Yeah, it's called the 696 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 5: Legends Project. At proton dot me. So some people don't 697 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 5: like to use Gmail, some people don't like their names 698 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 5: out there. They want something more secure. So at the moment, 699 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 5: this is what I'm doing, and we'll see how this develops, 700 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 5: but it is the Legends project at Proton dot me 701 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 5: for the moment. 702 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much, Tracy, We're going to have 703 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 3: to stop there. I really appreciate your real worldview on 704 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 3: these topics, and I really think you're doing a very 705 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 3: noble thing by helping these people get their stories out 706 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 3: and to document this data, which I think will be 707 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: valuable down the road. Thank you everyone for listening to 708 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 3: Beyond Contact. We'll be back next week with an all 709 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 3: new episode. You can follow me Captain Ron on Twitter 710 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 3: and Instagram at ci TV Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected 711 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 3: by checking out Contactothdesert dot com. 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