1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: Steffe never told your production of I Heeart Radio and 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: welcome to another sub sub sub whatever subsegment fictional and 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: around the world. I will say, I'm in a bit 5 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: of a pickle. I'm in a bit of a pickle, Samantha, uh, 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: because I really wanted to do and I continue what 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: you want to do a few last of us characters 8 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: because the show is coming out in January and I'm 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: hyped for the show and I want to talk about them. 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: But now it's like a strange spoilery zone because the 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: game has been out since. But everybody I thought of, 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a pretty big spoiler if somebody has 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: somehow managed to avoid getting spoiled from listening to this show, 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: right to be fair, outside of listening to the show, obviously, 15 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: but with the show coming on HBO, had it not 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: been for you, I would not know anything about the show. 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I know, but if I talked about the people I 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: was going to talk about, it would have been a 19 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: major spoiler. There was four people I thought of, four 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: and all of them I was like, oh no, I can't. 21 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, well, we've definitely done spoiler days before. So 22 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: I think as long as you do the spoiler alert 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: at the top, okay, I think we should. I think 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: you should think about it. You don't have to be 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: in that pickle anymore. You're trying to get me out 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: of this pickle. I was you seen me deliberate? I 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: know it wouldn't surprise you, but I was like, just 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: couldn't know it? Doesn't you deliberating on things does not 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: surprise me? No. Well, And the interesting thing is, I 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: actually had another character I was going to talk about 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: today who I really cannot wait to talk about. It 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: is from a cartoon series. I'll give you a little hint. 33 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I know you could look at 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: the calendar, but don't. Don't let it be a surprise. 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: But I bumped it because the internet is on fire 36 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: with his fictional character, because today we are talking about 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: Wednesday Adams, the deadpan golf character who has yeah, just 38 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: taken over the internet. And that's saying something that I 39 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: know about it because I'm not on TikTok. But things 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: have come my way and I did watch the show, 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: so I'm excited. But because I am from the original 42 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: era of Christina Luigi not original, I guess the secondary 43 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: era of re playing the character. Had there been social 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: media like that, I think she would have really owned it, 45 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: because she kind of owned our generation. Between this character 46 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: uh Casper and um Now and then those movies she 47 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: I think would have been I could have been a 48 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: little more iconic. I mean to the fact that she 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: was in this new edition because iconic. Yes, well, I 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: hope you'll talk about that when we get to it, 51 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: because I've actually never seen it any of those things, 52 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: so yes, I spoilers, but the Berry Light spoilers, I'll say. UM. 53 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: For the show, I haven't really had a lot of 54 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: experience with the Adam's family. I vaguely remember watching some 55 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: of the very old show when I was a kid 56 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: because my dad liked it. UM and the song the 57 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: theme song was on the Halloween playlist every year. But 58 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: that's about that was my the extent of my knowledge. 59 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: I did watch Netflix's Wednesday, which broke the platform's record 60 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: for most hours streamed. UM. I did always like the character, though, 61 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: even though I hadn't like seen a lot of the 62 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: material she was in. I always liked her. I liked 63 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: the look of her, I liked the general vibe her. 64 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: I think I wanted to dress as Her. I have 65 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: a Wednesday outfit up here. I never did it, but 66 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: I have the outfit that's ready to go. That that 67 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: iconic dress which has always been a part of the 68 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: character since the beginning. Um, that's still a big fashion 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: trend and it was even before this release. Has been 70 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: like I remember looking for something for like nice black dresses, 71 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: and that dress would pop up and I'm like, why 72 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: would I, as an adult thing, you want to go 73 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: to a wedding weding that? But I would be awesome people. 74 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: You get people talking true. Um, So here's a quote 75 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: about the numbers. Tim Burton's Adams Family reboot series has 76 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: become only the third Netflix show to rack up a 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: billion hours of views in month, and I believe it's 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: gone up since then. The dance, the Wednesday Dance, which 79 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: has a lot of issues in back and forth round it, 80 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: but it is everywhere. Tim Burton, who directed a bunch 81 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: of the episodes, is problematic. But we are not talking 82 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: about that today. That's a different thing. Um. And yeah, 83 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: we're not really going to go in depth on plot stuff. 84 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: We're more just talking about the character. So yeah, minor spoilers, 85 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: but not nothing major. Also, I was born on a Wednesday, 86 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: and uh, the poem Wednesday's Child is full of wow. 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: I loved that poem when I was a kid because 88 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: I really wanted to be emo even young. I was like, yes, 89 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: the tragedy of being blown on a Wednesday. And there's 90 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: a series called the Keys to the Kingdom series which 91 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: I loved when I was a kid and had all 92 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: these kind of like every character Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday represented 93 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: like one of the seven sins. Uh, and Wednesday was 94 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Okay, so let's talk about this character. 95 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: So Wednesday Friday Adams is one of the main characters 96 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: of the Adam's Family franchise. UM is depicted in the 97 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: comics that first debuted in nine in the New Yorker 98 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: UM and TV shows, films, and a musical. If you 99 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: don't know, at the core, the Adams family is sort 100 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: of a wacky, creepy, out cast family of gothy kind 101 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: of monster adjacent folks. UM. There's sort of like the 102 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: Halloween version of something like The Bradies. So Wednesday's parents 103 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: are Morticia and Gomez Adams, and she is the older 104 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: sister to Pugsley and Pubert Adams, though the ages and 105 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: order has changed a lot. Um And Yeah, she was 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: named after the nursery rhyme line Wednesday's child is full 107 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: of Woe. Over the years, she has been played by 108 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: several people, from Lisa Loring, Christina Valenzuela, Nicole Faguereko, Grace Monetz, 109 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: Christina Ricci, and now Gino Ortega. She's usually depicted as 110 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: having pale skin, dark hair and braided pigtails, black clothes, 111 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: and just a general goffy look, although that's not always 112 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: true but kind of generally right yeah uh and this 113 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: has also sparked conversation about Latina representation because generally, but 114 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: not always, Gomez has been played by Latino actor, but 115 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: it was never really a big piece of his identity. 116 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: Um And while people were excited for Otaga on the 117 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: new show, the same is true for her character Um 118 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: and her very sympathetic ancestor Goody in the show is 119 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: a white settler with blonde hair, and many argue should 120 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: have been a Mesoamerican or indigenous person instead. And on 121 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: top of that, a lot of the bullies who admittedly 122 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: were redeemed but still were the few black characters in 123 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: the show a right, so, including owning a pilgrim world, 124 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: which was like yes uh. Depending on the creators and actors, 125 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: the character has changed in its depiction, but a few 126 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: things generally remained the same. For instance, when she was 127 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: first introduced in the nineteen sixties show as a six 128 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: year old girl, people argue about her age all the time. 129 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: She was fascinated with the macabre. Uh, and that's in 130 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: a constant theme of her character. However, some iterations of 131 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: her have been sweeter than what most of us probably 132 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: would expect, definitely in the context of the rest of 133 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: her family. She was the quote nice one in these 134 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: early versions. In the nineties movie series, though she was 135 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: meaner and you'll have to talk about this Savantha. She 136 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: also typically has a strong protective streak with her family, 137 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: though she might try to hide or deny it. However, 138 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: there are plenty of instances where she really really punishes 139 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: people who disrespect her family. In the twenty nine teen movie, 140 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: she's nice to those who don't bother her, but not 141 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: so much to those who do. Um, and she usually 142 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: has some kind of scientist or sleuth angle going on. 143 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: She's always either doing in experiment or she's always on 144 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: a case of something um. And the ones that I 145 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: do remember is she does love punishing her brother slash, 146 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: playing quote unquote with her brother, but it's typically like 147 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: trying to dismember him or trying to electrocute him or 148 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: trying to explode him. Um, and he loves it pasically 149 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: just loves it. Um. However, Yeah, but if he tried 150 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: to mess with her or try to tease her, She's 151 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: gonna come at you. The two difference with Ricchie and Ortega. 152 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: The Ortega character is a lot more. I feel like 153 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: she would be actually on the spectrum character of like 154 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: being so hyper focused and so like over the top, 155 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: like unable to ex stude emotions as where Richie's character 156 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: just didn't want to. It was kind of like those 157 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: One felt like a choice. One felt like a diagnosis. 158 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: If you can, if you can go there, right, that's 159 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: a court of the episode. Well do you remember, like 160 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: when did you see the nineties movie? Oh, I was 161 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: definitely younger. It's definitely during the times of it was 162 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: after I want to say Casper, which we all loved 163 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: everything because Devin Sawa, we love Devin Salwa, and then 164 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: like fell fell in love with the ghost. Apparently I 165 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: was pretty young. I was eleven, and Christina Richie would 166 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: have been eleven as well. I think we're saying ay. 167 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: And by the way, I do love the resurgence of 168 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Christina Ricci coming back full swing into the acting world 169 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: because she's always been great to me. Um. So the 170 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: three films that I know her best are The Adam's Family, Casper, 171 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: and Now and Then. So for me, uh, I think 172 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: Now and Then was the big one because that was 173 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: specifically made for I think young girls. But then like, yeah, 174 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: she was Adam's Family first and then the other two. 175 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: But what I do remember is like, even though you 176 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: had big names like Angelica Houston, Christopher Lloyd, as in fact, 177 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: one of the movies were based on Christopher Lloyd coming 178 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: back to the family, Christina Ricci always always pulled the focus, 179 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: whether it was uh, she was the one I think 180 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: investigating Christopher Lloyd actually his character who plays um Uncle Fester, 181 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: who loses his memory and comes back to the family. 182 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: So it's like she was the focus for all the 183 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: movies even though other big name characters were on it 184 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: as well, and she was fairly new for that. So 185 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: that's what I do remember, and her characters were always 186 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: like pointed, like it was dark and mysterious, but it 187 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: was her character, those big eyes. It worked for her. 188 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I would agree, like, again, I haven't 189 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: seen it, but what I felt like when I think 190 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: of those movies, all the images I remember, all the 191 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: like random quotes I've heard people say are from Wednesday, UM, 192 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: And I had to resist just reading a bunch of 193 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: quotes because that character it just bangs them out like yes, yes, 194 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: a witty one liner, like stings and walks away. Yes, 195 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: it's amazing, Yes it is. And that's kind of the 196 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: thing why people love this character so much, because she 197 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: has been the source of a lot of feminist articles um, 198 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: and so many people over the years have caused played her. 199 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: I the second I saw this new show, I was like, oh, yeah, 200 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: next year at dragon Con, this is it. This is 201 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: gonna be huge, all of them. Yes, yeah, and I 202 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: mean there's like iconic looks. I get it, um. And 203 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: I do think one of the reasons she really resonated 204 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: with a lot of people, and a lot of women 205 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: and girls is that she is the opposite of how 206 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: young girls are typically portrayed in our media, which we've 207 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: talked about a lot in the show, like there are 208 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: so many juxtapositions with her because pigtails, for instance, are 209 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: usually associated with innocent young girls. Um, but she does 210 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: not behave that way. She doesn't mave how you expect. 211 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: She leans into the strange. She is quote not emotional, 212 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: which will return to in a minute. But she's just 213 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: kind of like the opposite of what we're used to 214 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: seeing and much of our media when it comes to 215 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: that type of character um from Black Girl Nerds, specifically 216 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: about the nineties version of this character. Quote, she's not nice, 217 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: she's not sweet, and she's not sorry. Wednesday Adams is blunt, cynical, sarcastic, 218 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: and has the most enviable, resting bitch face, none of 219 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: which she has any intention of apologizing for. That's right, 220 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: when unsuspecting people doll out the usual garbage of you 221 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: should smile more at Wednesday asserts herself firmly and defiantly 222 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: refuses to smile on command, a brilliant example for every 223 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: young girl told to make herself look friendly and approachable, 224 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: because God forbid, women appear the least bit intimidating. Although 225 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: she has white cis presumably straight female. She doesn't use 226 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: her privilege as an excuse, but rather as a tool 227 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: to amplify the voices of those who find it much 228 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: harder to be heard. And then this is from bitch Flicks. 229 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: What does it mean to be a little girl? There's 230 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: so much cultural baggage associated with female childhood. On the 231 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: one hand, little girls are pure and innocent and needing 232 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: of protection though the emotional backdrop of a thousand action movies. 233 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: The father must get home and save his darling little girl. 234 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: On the other hand, little girls are threatening, They're creepy, 235 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: They're the demons of a thousand horror movies. The family 236 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: union must save itself from the implications of a terrifying 237 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: little girl who wants to destroy them. And then there's 238 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: Wednesday Adams. She's another thing entirely, and Wednesday is still 239 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: really really threatening, that's right. Threatening. Part of why I 240 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: loved these movies so much as a kid was because Wednesday, 241 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: far from being a delicate flower or even playing second 242 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: fiddle to her brother, is arguably the most dangerous character 243 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: in the whole story. She has a sense of apathy 244 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: and morbid misery mixed in with a violent streak and 245 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: superhuman strength. She's very threatening, especially to everyone she views 246 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: as well. That's right. I would say that if she 247 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: fears anything, it's becoming normal. And that's a powerful message, 248 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: the idea that the biggest thing we have to fear 249 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: is not abnormality, but the loss of what makes us distinct. 250 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: It's especially poignant coming from Wednesday because what makes her 251 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: distinct is so well distinctive. Yess yes, And as we said, 252 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: she's she's very very antisocial, and she has so many 253 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: great dark dark at one liners, and it's kind of 254 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: comical and entertaining to see a young girl rejects so 255 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: much of societal norms to talk about these huge literary figures, 256 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: to quote them like it's it was funny to see 257 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: the objectiposition of her and her roommate, who a lot 258 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: of people shipped by the way in the new show. Yeah, 259 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: apparently Ortega does it too. I don't know if she's 260 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: just like feeding into the frenzy, but it may, you know. 261 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that think is interesting because in 262 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: what I remember at the movies, and someone who can 263 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: correct me, but there is a really problematic scene in 264 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: which they are playing um Native Americans and cowboys essentially, 265 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: but Winds they makes this comment about how the Pilgrims 266 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: slaughtered essentially all of the Native Americans and it is 267 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: their fault that they brought in disease and like they 268 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: traded their man Like she says this, and everybody's like, 269 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, like making a committed scene. 270 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: As well as the fact that in the New Wednesday 271 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: they talk about the problematical issues with chocolate and how 272 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: they used enslaved peoples and the Germans used enslaved people 273 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: to gather all this chocolate and massacred whole community for chocolate. 274 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: And I found that funny because like, these are the 275 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: things that we know Wins they does. He's going to 276 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: take what white people and essentially it is white people 277 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: would want as a celebration to be decimated with the truth, 278 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: like the level of problematic. Guess she's with that subject 279 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: that people, the white people were trying to celebrate. So 280 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: I did appreciate those things. That was a couple of 281 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: the things that like poked out him online when it 282 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: comes to the fact that she was making sure you 283 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: knew the truth whether you liked it or not. Yeah, Yeah, 284 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: And that's kind of one of the things that I 285 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: think is really interesting about this character, and when I 286 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: think so many people like her and she doesn't so 287 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: many of us for reasons we've talked about, for reasons 288 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: I totally understand, and I've done, like you you do 289 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: that thing for safety, like you're like, oh, I don't 290 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: want to speak up because it's not safe for me 291 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: to do. So it's fun to watch a character be 292 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: like no, and she's dangerous, like they said, like you 293 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: don't mess with her. So it's really like rewarding to 294 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: kind of get to live that moment of all I 295 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: wish I could do that, like, oh yeah, really live it. 296 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: And then I do love so many things aimed at 297 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: teenage girl rolls, and I think this is changing, and 298 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: it has been changing for a while, but for so 299 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: long was just like so focused on the romance part 300 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: and so focused on like the thing she'd be writing 301 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: in her diary is, oh, why won't this guy notice me? 302 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: That's like the last thing in her mind. It's not 303 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: that she's like if something comes her way, she's not 304 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: kind of interested, but that's just not her thing, like 305 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: the bet on the back burner. She's got all these 306 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: other things right that definitely not any one. Wednesday. I 307 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: didn't care about boys boys right, and I I appreciate that. 308 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: I appreciate I liked seeing the comparison of her like 309 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: her in the roommate where the roommates like I have 310 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: my blog and I'm writing about this and this and this, 311 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: and Wednesday is just like the typewriter this thing. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Um. 312 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: Here is a quote from the Guardian, especially for a 313 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: teenager with a kid friendly rating. Wednesday speaks with the 314 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: critical self awareness and acumen of your textbook by ronic hero, 315 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: a literately architect commonly associated with Heathcliff of Emily Bronte's 316 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: Weathering Heights, or more recently Gossip Girls, Chuck Bass and 317 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: even Sylfie. There You're clever, morose, condescending types and dangerously 318 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: blessed with irresistible good looks and saddled the baggage of 319 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: past trauma. Wednesday's trauma is the death of her pet Scorpion, 320 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: who was murdered when she was six. She's since abowed 321 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: to never cry again. That was hard and whats mean? 322 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: I did? I want to come back and talk about 323 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: this because a lot of articles have come out about 324 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: because of the popularity of the show about why we 325 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: love women who hate us. Um, So I do want 326 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: to go back and talk about the Lord. No, I 327 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: think it'll be interesting. I think be funny. Um. I 328 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: would argue in the new show she is somewhat of 329 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: what a mainstream media person would call Mary Sue. I 330 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of thoughts about this, and you 331 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: can listen to our past episode about that. But like 332 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: good at everything other than human interaction. Uh, and everyone 333 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: loves her, but again, I don't think there's anything wrong 334 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: with that necessarily and does get away with that Scott 335 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: free without a sexist moniker being attached to them, So 336 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: just to put that out there. She also has like 337 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: psychic powers, which I think has gone off and on 338 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: throughout her her run. She can play the cello, can 339 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: speak multiple languages, confence, She's pretty awesome and in an 340 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: Archer in all of the movies Archer. Yeah, you're right. Uh. 341 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: One thing that they didn't really resolve in this season 342 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: of the show. I haven't seen any of the other things, 343 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: and I saw some people kind of complain about this, 344 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: But there was a tense mother daughter relationship in the 345 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: show where Wednesday did not want to be like her 346 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: mother kind of felt pressured to be like her, very 347 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: much like a teenage pushing away, don't want to do it. 348 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm um, I've heard that that's that was kind of 349 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: a departure. Yeah, that's never a thing. The mother never 350 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: really cares and the daughter never really cares for her 351 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: mother's approval. Actually, everything she did she got her mother's 352 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: approval essentially. Um and and it's true the Wednesday want 353 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: she everything she did, mother was proud because it was 354 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: all that dark and morose type of conversation and they're 355 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: very proud of that. The only thing that the mother 356 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: uh Catherine Sanda Jones, which was I did not realize 357 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: she was going to play this until I watched it, um, 358 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: is that she wants her daughter's affections. Yeah. That's not 359 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: a thing right in the other movies kind of separates 360 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: the two of the most agely. Yeah. Yeah, so we 361 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: could come back and maybe talk about that uh later. 362 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I do also think this is an interesting uh in 363 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: that activists around the world where you unfortunately could not 364 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: be there where I read listener mail Samantha did I 365 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: mentioned to quote about I've seen from a famous author 366 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: who was saying like Essentially, once you start to break 367 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: apart characters for that are intended for children audiences, um, 368 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: as an adult, everything falls apart. And I do think 369 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: this was a really interesting example of where Wednesday's like, well, 370 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: I've been somebody's trying to kill me and I've been 371 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: like all this stuff of this stuff, and they're like, 372 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: oh great, it's going well, Like it was a it 373 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: was a fun flip on that that whole idea, and 374 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: then going back to something you said earlier, there has 375 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: been discussion about how Wednesday's anti social behaviors could be 376 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: coded as autism or something on the spectrum. Um, here's 377 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: another quote from The Guardian. Only when a conventionally beautiful, 378 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: non weird person performs weirdness, is this palatable to quote 379 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: normal people, According to one comment or the parent of 380 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: an autistic child actually quote weird people get bullied, sidelined, 381 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: are placed outside of the zone of real friendships. And 382 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: I agree. I think this is one of the reasons 383 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: the character hits with so many people who feel like 384 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: outcasts in one way or another. But realistically it wouldn't 385 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 1: play out like this. Again, making your apart, like as 386 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: an adult to be fair into this series, specifically the 387 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: very beginning scene which he is expelled from a regular school. 388 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: They are the outcast there. She gets expelled, which that's 389 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: why her brother gets bullied constantly. She comes to a 390 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: school for wayward people like people with powers, so that 391 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: behavior is not so off putting in a school like that. 392 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: I think someone with a spectrum that has that she 393 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: was on the spectrum, as I was saying, I'm like, 394 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: if I was watching this clinically, I would think that 395 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: she was on the spectrum with high functioning all of 396 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: these things and more O c D than anything else, 397 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: because her hyperd focus is very obvious, to the point 398 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: that she does not care who she runs over, which 399 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: was part of the conversation um in that she's in 400 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: an environment where she success. She's successful because she can 401 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: do all of these things really really well in a 402 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: school that is an outsider. So would she have been 403 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: so outside it? I don't know. Right, that's a good point. 404 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: That's a good point. And I another thing is like 405 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: she's she's a really fun character, but she is pretty toxic. Like, Okay, 406 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: we're putting in our real world things, right, doesn't necessarily 407 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: need to be. But she's definitely a friend I would drop, 408 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: I would drop her very fun to watch. Um, Christina 409 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: Ricci said of her Wednesday, was allowed to be just 410 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: who she was. She's never asked to change or compromise 411 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: or hide who she is. Uh. And actually there's there 412 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: was a whole piece CNN just released yesterday about why 413 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: in the world did this dance take off so much? 414 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: And that was one of their big points, was like, 415 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: it's because she essentially was she was doing the dance 416 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: like nobody's watching, but did not care at all. She 417 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: was being herself absolutely and also retro was coming back here. 418 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: That was like a retro interpretive dance. It was, it was. 419 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: It was very unpredictable. That's what I would say. From Slate, 420 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: here's a quote. Sure, there are problems with this. For one, 421 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: it assumes that stoicism, a more stereotypically masculine trade, is preferred. 422 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: The feminine position on on the emotional gender binary leans 423 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: toward expressiveness and melodrama, and the cliche that women can't 424 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: control their emotions and often weaponized against them. How many 425 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: times have women been deemed too emotional to do something 426 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: like we're in a country mass swooning of her deadpan 427 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: women implies that expressive, vivacious women are somehow not in control. 428 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: Quite the opposite. There's bravery and merit and being as 429 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: passionate or allowed as you want to be, knowing it 430 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: could be spit back at you in some silly gender debate. 431 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: It means someone has the guts to let you know them. 432 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: And then one final quote from the Guardian, the enduring 433 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: appeal of characters like this and admittedly toxic outcast was 434 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: inherently good intentions is the desire for every weirdo to 435 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: feel seen on TV. Wednesday's formula may be flawed, but 436 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: fantasy is the point in an idealized world where you're 437 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: well timed barbs and lack of interest in others approval 438 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: made you impervious to bullies and the caretaker of your 439 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: fellow misfits. Who wouldn't want to be Wednesday atoms Yes, yeah, yep, 440 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: that's what we're kind of talking about, Like, yeah, in 441 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: this fantasy world would be great if you could just 442 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: say what you want, protect the misfits fantastic and can 443 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: shooting yes, and can shooting bow and arrow convience living? 444 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: And she lost though I did like that. That was unpredicted. 445 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: That was not what I expected. Yeah, I liked that too, 446 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: but also yeah, like I like I said, I want 447 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: to come back and revisit this dead pan woman thing 448 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: because I don't think it's wrong. I think it's really 449 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: fun to see a character like this who is stoic 450 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: and all of those things, but there is we can't 451 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: ignore that. Yeah, that's typically more of a masculine thing, 452 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: and this seems like it's a male gaze, and I 453 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: did like speaking of that, I definitely saw a TikTok 454 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: and when men right, women being strong literally like stoic, 455 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: dead pan and being angry but like seating but fighting 456 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: the type of and if you're feminine, that's not a heroine, right, Yeah, 457 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: so we'll have to come back and talk about that. 458 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: I do think that these characters are wonderful and I 459 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: think that should be a a fine thing to do, 460 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: but we can't. Yeah, there's so much other stuff, so 461 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: much other stuff in the background. But yeah, this is 462 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: a really fun one to research, and I honestly this 463 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: is a longer one of these episodes and I narrowed 464 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: it down like a lot of people definitely something about this. 465 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: So maybe we'll come back in one day revisit it. 466 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: There's there's so much out there if you want to 467 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: read more about her. Um, but she's Yeah, she was 468 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: a fun character to research. I liked it. In the meantime, 469 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: I do got a lot of character just coming up. 470 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: But if you've got one that's burning in the back 471 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: of your brain, listeners, please let us know. You can 472 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: emails at Stephania Mom Stuff at i heeart media dot com. 473 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at most podcast on 474 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: Instagram at stuff one Never told You. Thanks as always 475 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: to our super producer, Christina, another incredible woman, Yes indeed, 476 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening Stuff When I ever 477 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: told you. The production by Heart Radio. 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