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Speaker 1: It is the Herd wherever you may be and however

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Speaker 1: you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of

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Speaker 1: your day. You know a lot of times I've said

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Speaker 1: this over and over and over, ad nauseum for years.

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Speaker 1: Do not chase money, chase good management. There's a sea

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Speaker 1: of money out there. If you're talented, there's a sea

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Speaker 1: of money. There's not there's a finite number of really

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Speaker 1: good in my case, broadcasting executives. There's a million broadcasting

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Speaker 1: company and very few that.

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Speaker 3: Are really really well run.

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Speaker 1: And so I look at people often in my space

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Speaker 1: and just say, let me see your career decisions. Why

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Speaker 1: did you just go there just about money, short term money?

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Speaker 1: What about your long term career aspirations? What about good

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Speaker 1: management and marketing? And so it was lost in the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl week that Jonathan Kaminga and the Warriors, and

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Speaker 1: I've never been a huge cominga guy. It kind of

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Speaker 1: melted down. It got kind of ugly and and and

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Speaker 1: you know, each side he said, they said, you know whatever,

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Speaker 1: each kind of covering their tracks and the divorce. Here

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Speaker 1: was Steve Kerr on the Coaminga move, the Kaminga trade.

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Speaker 3: Steve Kerr.

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Speaker 4: JK is a really good young guy. You know, He's

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Speaker 4: it's been obviously a rocky road, uh, you know, for

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Speaker 4: him and for us, And you know, it wasn't always

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Speaker 4: you know, the right fit obviously kind of in and out.

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Speaker 5: Of the rotation.

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Speaker 4: I think that was tough for him, tough for us

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Speaker 4: JK finds his way and you know, whether it's Atlanta

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Speaker 4: or wherever else, you know, I really want to see

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Speaker 4: him succeed. And I'm sorry that it didn't didn't happen here.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you three players. Jonathan Kaminga, Jalen Green,

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Speaker 1: and Scoot Henderson were g League ignite guys, a four

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Speaker 1: year experiment by the NBA that went belly up and

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Speaker 1: should have none of them developed into the player they

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Speaker 1: should have been much like broadcasting. I judge people on

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Speaker 1: the decisions and choices they make. Why in the world

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Speaker 1: would you choose G League Ignite over Duke in Kansas

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Speaker 1: for college. Every pro football player goes there for at

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Speaker 1: least three years. Why are basketball players different? You can't

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Speaker 1: handle your at college. The marketing you get playing I

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Speaker 1: watched Duke Carolina the other day. You got eight million

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Speaker 1: dollars of free marketing. None of those G League guys.

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Speaker 1: You don't get elite coaching in G League Unite you

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Speaker 1: don't get You don't play in packed arenas like Cameron

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Speaker 1: Playing in massive arenas that is like, that's like a

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Speaker 1: I mean playing at Carolina, that's like an NBA environment,

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Speaker 1: a playoff environment. You got fifteen thousand plus, sixteen thousand

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Speaker 1: where you go. That's where you get marketing. Cooper flag

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Speaker 1: Duke to Dallas. He's already a star. Why because I

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Speaker 1: watched them at Duke Stefan Castle, a Yukon Jalen Brunson

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Speaker 3: There isn't one.

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Speaker 1: I always felt this about AAU basketball eight thousand meaningless games,

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Speaker 1: Cominga's like a lot of these guys, Scoot Henderson, Jalen Green.

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Speaker 1: They don't play well with others. They I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: They're not good. It's just like super talented, Okay.

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Speaker 1: But what really bothers me is the choices young great

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Speaker 1: basketball players have. I don't understand everybody demonizing college basketball.

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Speaker 1: The coaching, the travel is first class, the arenas you playing,

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Speaker 1: With that, here's somebody I haven't talked to you in

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Speaker 1: He got a new job. Do we have Trent right

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Speaker 1: now over reconnecting right now? He'll be joining us in

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Speaker 1: And I went and looked at Cominga's numbers the last

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Speaker 1: games and his numbers all went down. All right, here

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Speaker 1: live a long time, no talk. Fourteen years in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Where are you right now and how are you doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm mister brother. I am back, after a complete failure

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Speaker 5: in college football, back to where my roots are, high

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Speaker 5: school football. So I'm back at Lipscombe, where I spent

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Speaker 5: four years and was my happiest And what I'm wired

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Speaker 5: to do more transformation than transaction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what college football is.

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Speaker 1: I had Drew Brees on yesterday and I asked Drew,

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Speaker 1: actually made me think of Arch Manning, who had to sing.

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Speaker 1: I would argue, behind a guy Hill ultimately better than

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Speaker 3: I was there.

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Speaker 1: other positions that at the first sign of adversity, A

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Speaker 3: Does that worry you?

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Speaker 5: Heck yeah, as usual. You're right on this thing that

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Speaker 5: nobody wants to talk about. What makes you wired to

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Speaker 5: be a championship quarterback is the adversity? Are the hard things?

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Speaker 5: Are the grind are the failures? I got booed out

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Speaker 5: of outbacks. I had binoculars thrown at me. You know,

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Speaker 5: if there was social media back then, I wouldn't be

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Speaker 5: able to be on it. And many quarterbacks have the

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Speaker 5: same story. It's what hardened you. And we're so scared

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Speaker 5: as athletes in this generation for hard things, for adversities,

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Speaker 5: for benchings, for failures, for foreign interception games, for not

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Speaker 5: embrace those things. Is the good stuff. The good stuff

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Speaker 5: a point where you really just don't care anymore about

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Speaker 5: you're not playing for that. You're playing because you love football,

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Speaker 5: that's what you said. I'm seeing Sam donald highlights. That's

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Speaker 5: all you've seen in Sam. Sam was wildly talented. We

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Speaker 5: It took the hardening of bad situations, took resilience and grits.

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Speaker 5: the last two years, I think than anybody but Tom

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Speaker 1: We tend to you know, we tend to forget that football,

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Speaker 1: Like or so, I mean even a receiving position which

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Speaker 1: I look at Josh Allen, well, because of his contract,

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Speaker 1: Brady and Breeze both said at one point, Trent, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take a little less and I'm gonna win more. Well,

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Speaker 1: what do you know, Network's come the minute you're off

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Speaker 1: the air and they want to put you on the

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Speaker 1: air because you're a winner. Go back to your career

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Speaker 1: is maybe the model going forward. Guys, you will make

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Speaker 1: that money back. You'll make it back because you'll have

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Speaker 1: a better right tackle, you'll get a TV job. But

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Speaker 1: it is hard to tell a pro athlete don't take

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Speaker 1: the most money available to you. That's hard for a quarterback,

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Speaker 5: It is. I think this is a big subject. I'll

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Speaker 5: give you my thoughts on this. I've been saying this

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Speaker 5: for years one. I think in the CBA, in the

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Speaker 5: salary cap, they need to remove a portion for the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I think every team football would be better if the

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Speaker 5: teams weren't punished for these massive quarterback salary cap hits.

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Speaker 5: I've always thought that should be the case. If not,

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Speaker 5: then I'm on your I'm on your page. Then they

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Speaker 5: at least need to relax some of the rules so

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Speaker 5: that quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Drew Be's a the

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Speaker 5: face of the franchise, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, you can

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Speaker 5: go down the list. Should be able to get an

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Speaker 5: deals that are tied to the NFL, because that's where

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Speaker 5: real money. I mean, you know billionaires. I know billionaires.

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Speaker 1: Onuns, and some of it is Seattle's guard, center guard,

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Speaker 1: mean you would agree Drake May is gonna be fine.

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Speaker 6: We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 8: By the way, there was some commentary from Seattle defensive

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Speaker 8: backs about May they could tell what's coming based on

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Speaker 8: the way he was looking and react. There were some tells.

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Speaker 8: They were like, we couldn't see that with Stafford. Hey, Cale,

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Speaker 8: let me say someone about trentil for real.

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Speaker 6: Quick two seconds.

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Speaker 8: A lot of people, when they have success, they give

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Speaker 8: themselves all the credit. Well, I was a genius, I

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Speaker 8: was smart, and when they have failures they blame.

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Speaker 6: It on other people.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well that that guy screwed me in the system,

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Speaker 8: and blah blah blah. What Trent Dilfer just said was

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Speaker 8: pretty incredible.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he owned it. He was like, I was

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Speaker 6: a failure. That's refreshing.

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Speaker 8: I mean that was one of the most real things

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Speaker 8: that I've heard from any interview we've had this year.

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Speaker 6: I mean, did you hear him? He was just like,

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Speaker 6: oh no, I mean I failed.

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Speaker 1: I respect that Steve Spurry are great college coach, disaster

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and Nick Saban failed And I don't

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Speaker 1: think Nick's built for the NFL.

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Speaker 3: He's really built for college. He's got it. He's really

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Speaker 3: got to. He's a closer.

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Speaker 1: He's a great personality, he's a great teacher. But like

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Speaker 1: spurry Er, just in my opinion, you know, Steve just

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Speaker 1: didn't quite have like the the work mentality. NFL is

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Speaker 1: no life. I mean it's just no football life. Like

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Speaker 1: you literally in the facility all day. That's not who

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Speaker 1: Spurrier is.

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Speaker 6: And he used the word dilfoe use the word transaction.

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Speaker 6: Did you hear that? And college football is very transactional.

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Speaker 5: That's what it is.

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Speaker 6: It's what are you going to pay me to come

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Speaker 6: on your team?

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Speaker 3: What's my role?

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Speaker 6: And that's that's a little different.

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Speaker 1: And that's why a Kurt Signetti and a Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: guys who are older can flourish. It's it's it's it's administrative,

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Speaker 1: it's transactional. Bill Belichick's not going to go you know,

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Speaker 1: five six years ago, Nick Saban's literally on a private

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Speaker 1: jet flying to northern California.

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Speaker 3: He's all over the country. You have no life now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it is recruit within your region and

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Speaker 1: go buy the deficienc.

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Speaker 6: He's on your own exactly.

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Speaker 1: And so it makes and and and get young staffs

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Speaker 1: who will do the work for you. But it's a

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Speaker 1: largely the head coach. Now it's a transactional administrative job.

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Speaker 1: And that that that means you don't have to have

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Speaker 1: the best energy in the world. If you've got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of energy and can write some checks, you

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Speaker 1: can solve a lot of problems on that roster.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it used to be the you know, Nick Saban,

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Speaker 8: here's how I can help you. Now all the players

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Speaker 8: are like, what are you going to do for me?

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Speaker 8: What are you paying me?

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Speaker 6: What's my role going to be? And it's it's changed

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Speaker 6: a lot.

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Speaker 8: College football is in this this weird like transactional phase

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Speaker 8: where I think it's good, you think it's good, but on.

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Speaker 1: Ground zero, I don't say. I will say we've overstated

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Speaker 1: it a little. I think the first few years, a

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Speaker 1: couple of years of the en Nil, everybody was just

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Speaker 1: leve leve, leve leave. I think universities have gotten much

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Speaker 1: smarter on this. I think the first two years of

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Speaker 1: it people overspent or or I should say overspent over signed.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I always have this take.

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Speaker 1: Most if Georgie is moving off a defensive lineman, they

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Speaker 1: know the odometer.

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Speaker 5: They didn't.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want to move off Jalen Carter right, Like like,

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Speaker 1: if you find LSU or Georgia or in Alabama moving

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Speaker 1: off an interior defensive tackle, he probably doesn't play as

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Speaker 1: hard as they lie. So the bottom line is most universities,

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Speaker 1: the power conferences, the power schools, they're gonna pay the

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Speaker 1: guys who are really, really great. And I think teams

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Speaker 1: have figured out the NIL. College football programs have figured

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Speaker 1: out there's a lot of good B players that you

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Speaker 1: don't have to pay a fortune that can like, you know,

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Speaker 1: a second corner, a second running back, a second a

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Speaker 1: right tackle, not a left tackle. And now occasionally you

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Speaker 1: can go buy a Caleb Downs. Wasn't it a baman

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Speaker 1: goes to Ohio State. You're like, Okay, that guy's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: But I think the NIL everything goes in a cycle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the first couple of years of it, it was

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Speaker 1: like people were buying thirty five players. I always thought,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to a coach who said this, the magic

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Speaker 1: number is eight. You won't screw up chemistry. If you

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Speaker 1: bring it about eight guys, you may he goes outside

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Speaker 1: of quarterback plug deficiencies, you don't have to go buy stars.

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Speaker 1: Go buy a great pass rusher if you can. But

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Speaker 1: just you don't want to be terrible anywhere. The coaching's good.

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Speaker 8: Well, Texas Tech is trying to throw a monkey wrench.

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Speaker 8: I just read an article about some of the stuff

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Speaker 8: they're doing. They're very cutting edge, man. You know that

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Speaker 8: was my team last year. I gave it out on

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Speaker 8: the show Texas Tech to make the playoff. That was

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah knows this stuff. NFL Draft, it is something

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Speaker 1: we will discuss at length. First though, j Mack with

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 3: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 6: Can't wait for that, Daniels Jeremiah talk.

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Speaker 8: But let's start with Max Crosby. Colin, He's making news.

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Speaker 8: It's almost like is it by design? Is he trying

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Speaker 8: to pump up his IG followers? Anyways, Max Crosby's all

567
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Speaker 8: over the news this last week, but he's now down

568
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Speaker 8: playing the rumors that he wants out, and he doubled

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Speaker 8: down in an appearance on the Let's Go podcast.

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Speaker 3: Everyone spit me up.

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Speaker 6: Did you say this?

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Speaker 5: Did you?

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Speaker 12: It's I can't control that. You earned that as a player.

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Speaker 12: You know, if I wasn't doing the right things, and

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Speaker 12: if I wasn't the person and player I was, you know,

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Speaker 12: people wouldn't be talking about all the nonsense.

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Speaker 3: But that's what comes with it.

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Speaker 12: I really don't care what everybody has to say.

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Speaker 3: I used to a lot as.

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Speaker 5: A young guy.

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Speaker 12: I really don't give a damn if people could have

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Speaker 12: their own opinions. I know what's going on. I know

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Speaker 12: my truth, and I don't need to sit here and keep,

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Speaker 12: you know, rehashing it to people that don't know what's

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Speaker 12: going on. So I don't even I don't even waste

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Speaker 12: time with it.

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Speaker 8: Okay, So Colin, if we put those words on the screen,

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Speaker 8: what he just said, it's a gigantic word salad. He

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Speaker 8: essentially said nothing, revealed nothing about what he wants, which

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Speaker 8: is good.

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Speaker 6: He's a pro.

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Speaker 8: And listen, I know people don't think I like Max Crosby.

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Speaker 8: I've seen his basketball video. He could pay definitely play

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Speaker 8: on my men's league. Deep we would recruit him, but don't.

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Speaker 8: I just don't know why he's still talking about this colin.

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Speaker 8: You know, I know he's a veteran, but.

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Speaker 1: I think he is the missing piece for several top teams.

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Speaker 1: I think Kansas City could use him. New England could

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Speaker 1: use him. I think mass Crosby is one of the

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Speaker 1: you know, free agency and trade guy doesn't really equal

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean, if you go look at the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald was obviously an exception where you bring a

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Speaker 1: guy in a quarterback important position, You're like, oh, he

604
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Speaker 1: was such an upgrade from Geno. I mean, the roster

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Speaker 1: in Seattle last year was good. I mean they how

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Speaker 1: many rookies made an impact that John Snyder drafted this

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Speaker 1: year too, a garden of safety. The roster was great

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Speaker 1: with Gino Smith. Obviously, Donald's the big part of it

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Speaker 1: that goes next level. JSN was already in the building

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Speaker 1: with Donald. Suddenly he was great with Gino. He was

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Speaker 1: frustrating or frustrated. So my point is Crosby may not

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Speaker 1: be a quarterback, there is no question if you put

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Speaker 1: him on New England next year with their interior defensive linemen,

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Speaker 1: that is a that's the best defensive line maybe in

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Speaker 1: this ward. So I mean I think Crosby chaining. I mean,

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Speaker 1: New England's defensive tackles are excellent. Well you put Crosby

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Speaker 1: on that D line in New England lights out?

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Speaker 8: Okay, So is there a world where spy Tech and

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Speaker 8: the new coach Kubiak go to Crosby and say, hey, bro,

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Speaker 8: we get it.

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Speaker 6: Sounds like you want out. How about this?

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Speaker 8: Don't do any more podcasts, leave social media commentary to us,

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Speaker 8: don't talk about it, and we will get you where.

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Speaker 6: You want to go.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, you.

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Speaker 8: Call up the Buffalo Bills and bere like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 8: is Kean Coleman for sale? You know the BS game

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Speaker 8: that you play as an executive?

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Speaker 6: Oh well yeah, so Crosby any interest.

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Speaker 8: You're not calling about Max, You're calling about somebody else,

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Speaker 8: But you work it in like call the contenders, just

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Speaker 8: do it quietly. I don't love this negativity. When you've

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Speaker 8: got you gotta remember pick Max. Crosby is a star.

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Speaker 8: He goes on podcasts and they ask him about it.

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Speaker 8: What is he supposed to say?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 8: The problem is that that we like authenticity. You and

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Speaker 8: I love that it gives us content. Everybody loves that,

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Speaker 8: but it's gonna mess with the locker room. You got

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Speaker 8: a new head coach, your first time head coach in Kubiak,

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Speaker 8: rookie number one pick likely in Mendoza. You gotta woe

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Speaker 8: be gone franchise in Vegas that can't win a damn thing, Like,

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Speaker 8: why would you do this?

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Speaker 6: You're messing with the fans.

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Speaker 5: Head.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't think it's messing with anything. I

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Speaker 1: think he's been the silver lining for the Silver and

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Speaker 1: Black for about seven years. I think he's the only

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Speaker 1: redeemable part of this franchise in the last seven Are

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Speaker 1: you sure it's Silver and.

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Speaker 8: Black or black and blue? I mean, these guys are

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Speaker 8: gether butts kicked every year by everyone.

653
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Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you right now, I love Max as

654
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Speaker 1: a raider, but if you could get two ones, oh

655
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Speaker 1: you do that from New England, I think you have

656
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Speaker 1: to consider it.

657
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Speaker 6: I would peddle him to the NFC first.

658
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Speaker 8: I don't want to have to see that guy fairting

659
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Speaker 8: the trophy of my conference.

660
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Speaker 6: All right, let's go to the next story. That's Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 8: Dude, do you remember how much we talked about this

662
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Speaker 8: guy last year as he guided Washington to the NFC Championship.

663
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Speaker 6: Well, this past.

664
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Speaker 8: Season he did nothing because he was hurt, and now

665
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Speaker 8: he's got a new oc in wait for it, David Blau,

666
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 8: former Detroit Lions practice squad guy.

667
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Speaker 6: I think he took a couple snaps.

668
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Speaker 8: Here's Dan Quinn talking about how Jaden is going to

669
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Speaker 8: look a little different this season.

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Speaker 7: It'll look different some JP in some ways as we're

671
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Speaker 7: still kind of building some of the things together. But

672
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Speaker 7: this is going to be like an aggressive balance attack,

673
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 7: but like that will probably have more under center than

674
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Speaker 7: we have in the past. We're going to try to

675
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Speaker 7: feature every part of Jaden in the way that makes

676
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Speaker 7: him unique and special. Jaden's a big part of our

677
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Speaker 7: thinking and all the things that we do. He wasn't

678
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Speaker 7: a part of the staff selection, but like he drives

679
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Speaker 7: a lot of the thinking and how we can feature

680
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Speaker 7: him and where it goes, and so having the ability

681
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Speaker 7: to connect with him that's certainly a big deal for us.

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Speaker 6: All Right, So you pretty good stat here, Colin Warren Sharp.

683
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Speaker 6: You know he's a buddy.

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Speaker 8: Sure, so he charted under center dropbacks last season where

685
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Speaker 8: you're taking STAPs from under center.

686
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Speaker 6: Okay, Washington was dead last in the league.

687
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Speaker 8: Seventeen steps the whole season under center, sorry, dropping back,

688
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 8: and it's like, dude, what are you doing?

689
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Speaker 6: So maybe that's why they move off Kingsbury. They need

690
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Speaker 6: to change it up. So now Jaden will be under center.

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Speaker 5: More.

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Speaker 8: Guess who happened to be under center of the most

693
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Speaker 8: As you can see on the chart here, rams number one,

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Speaker 8: number two. By the way, in snaps under center, Chicago

695
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Speaker 8: bears number two, and all the teams at the top had.

696
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Speaker 6: A lot of success.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, this is why the NFL's great. It's

698
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Speaker 1: constantly evolving. It was an under center league, then it

699
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Speaker 1: was a shotgun league, and now the better teams are

700
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Speaker 1: going back under center when you have a star quarterback.

701
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Speaker 1: So and a lot of people like under center because

702
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Speaker 1: a quarterback never takes his eyes off the defense. As

703
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: defenses get more sophisticated, you know, in the shotgun you

704
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: look down for half a second or a second to

705
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Speaker 1: get the snap, and the defense can shift at the

706
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Speaker 1: snap of the ball. So a lot of the guys

707
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Speaker 1: in the league that the offensive coordinators like can like

708
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Speaker 1: under center. So well, one of the things that is

709
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: really cool about the NFL. You and I baseball went

710
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: forever without making changes, and then Rob Manfred over like

711
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: a three year period, made multiple changes. They all worked,

712
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Speaker 1: and a baseball now is so much more watchable now

713
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Speaker 1: than five years ago. If you go watch a baseball

714
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Speaker 1: game five years ago, go on YouTube, it's so slow.

715
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like a rotary phone. Like, I can't

716
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Speaker 1: do it. NBA's got things that needs to solve. Bill

717
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: Simmons was talking about that this week, and they won't.

718
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Speaker 1: They're like, well, we got paid, we made money from

719
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: the networks. Like your game's got like four major issues.

720
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Speaker 1: I don't even think tanking's the biggest issue. The NFL

721
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: is so cyclical. The rules to pats don't look like

722
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: they look kickoffs don't look like they love. The catch

723
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: rule got tweaked, And I think part of what I

724
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Speaker 1: love about football is I mean, now suddenly Seattle, by

725
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: the way, it was, oh you got to go for

726
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: it and fourth down? You know who didn't go it?

727
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: Ford on fourth down this year, benver Seattle. Like, I

728
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: just love the way the NFL is constantly shifting and changing.

729
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 3: An under center is coming back.

730
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Speaker 8: Well, it's I don't know that that's like a rule

731
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Speaker 8: that's more like a coach thing. McVeigh and Ben Johnson

732
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 8: are at the cutting edge. So they realized the too

733
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Speaker 8: high safety has taken away the big place. How do

734
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 8: you manipulate those guys? Put the quarterback under center? We

735
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Speaker 8: may run the football, So what are the DB's doing?

736
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Speaker 8: And that I think is a big reason why we're

737
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Speaker 8: seeing under center now because you have to respect the

738
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Speaker 8: run game where they'll just matriculate down the field, Tires Williams.

739
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Speaker 8: Three years ago, it may have been two, you and

740
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 8: I were on the show. Everybody was like, running backs

741
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 8: aren't being paid. Nobody wants a running back. You and

742
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 8: I went on the air and said slow down. Running backs,

743
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 8: especially for young quarterbacks, are like a life. Preserve tight

744
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 8: ends and running backs like stop. Isn't it amazing that

745
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 8: the MVP of the Super Bowl Kenneth Walker, Like it

746
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 8: was three years ago, Everybody's.

747
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Speaker 1: Like, nobody wants to pay their running back. No, No, nobody

748
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: wants to pay a running back that second huge contract.

749
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Speaker 1: Everybody liked running back generally, you didn't want to go

750
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: a second big contract because it's the last position on offense.

751
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: You can head hunt. You can hit them from anywhere

752
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: they come to a line. You can hit him anywhere.

753
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Speaker 6: So we were early on that I will say this.

754
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Speaker 8: I think McVeigh going to three tight ends at times

755
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 8: this year and having ultra success a lot is gonna

756
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 8: make people be like, do we need to go after

757
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 8: more tight ends and free agency? And make sure to

758
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 8: ask Jeremiah about this. He was just breaking down the

759
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 8: tight ends. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of

760
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Speaker 8: high end ones, but middle rounds there could be some

761
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Speaker 8: tight end value.

762
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Speaker 6: And you've got to be able to be flexible, whether three.

763
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Speaker 8: Wides, three tight ends, two running backs, NFL just a

764
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Speaker 8: smart league. Final storycl Let's go to NBA All Star weekend.

765
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Speaker 8: I know you're fired up, very excited. Well, Kevin Durant

766
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 8: also very excited. I can't tell if he's being real

767
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 8: here or he's trying to stir the pot, but he's

768
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 8: taking shots at some of the European gentlemen.

769
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Speaker 6: Here we go.

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Speaker 11: You should ask the Europeans that the world team if

771
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 11: they gonna compete. I mean, because we look at Luka

772
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 11: Doncis and Nicola Jokis. Now let's go back and look

773
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Speaker 11: at what they do at the All Star Game. Is

774
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 11: that competition? So we haven't questioned what they've been doing,

775
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 11: but we're gonna question old hiss and the Americans. But

776
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 11: these two dudes out there, Luca and Jokis, they don't

777
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 11: care about the game. Man. Oh, these dudes be laying

778
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 11: on the floor. They shoot from half court. But you

779
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 11: got worried about the old heads playing hard. I can

780
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 11: read between the lines, Bro, you.

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00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: Know he's not wrong on that.

782
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Speaker 1: I mean, Yoka ch has no interest none. Kevin Durant

783
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: can your buddy. Kevin Durant can be very funny.

784
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 8: I like him now he's he's onto something. I'll be

785
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 8: real though, Colin Uka, Jannis jokiciz guys. International All Star

786
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 8: games are nothing. They don't mean a damn thing. They

787
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 8: play for championships overseas, and that's what those guys are

788
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 8: into here, not some fluffy All Star game where there's

789
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 8: no defense being played by guys who aren't great defenders anyway.

790
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 8: You know, so Kd's honest something. I don't know how

791
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 8: you fix that when your best players in the league

792
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 8: are international, don't care about the All Star Game and

793
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 8: don't play defense.

794
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Speaker 1: I can do a show on four to five things

795
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: the NBA needs to change, Please don't. I won't because

796
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: the truth is, when we get to late April, May

797
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: and June, the playoffs are going to be unbelievable.

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00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, every year in.

799
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Speaker 1: This space when the football season ends, when we start

800
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: moving to the NBA and the stars aren't playing because

801
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: you know they're resting either your tanking or they're resting

802
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: for the playoffs. That you know, like people have like

803
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: minutes maybe privately on what they want to play. We

804
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: all go crazy on the NBA. The playoffs will show

805
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: up in May and they'll be really really good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

807
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 8: By the way, thirty remember college basket about thirty three games,

808
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 8: NBA eighty two.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, Collins, guy's gotta go hard. You gotta make

810
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Speaker 6: the tournament NBA eighty two.

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Speaker 5: Eight.

812
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Speaker 8: Let's take a week off here, week off there, kind

813
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 8: of like your summers when you're gallivanting globally with the.

814
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Other coastal lap. I play less than Lebron in the summer.

815
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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that.

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Speaker 1: The Herd Line News Live in Chicago, It's the Herd.

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819
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820
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Speaker 6: App Tonight on FS one.

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Speaker 8: Speed Weeks is underway as the NASCAR Cup Series goes

823
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Speaker 8: full throttle for the duel at Daytona. Pre race gets

824
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Speaker 1: Hey, has it been confirmed Jmack that liquorice is bad

827
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Speaker 1: for you? Because I've had six pieces today and I've

828
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: never felt better.

829
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 3: In my life. Is this red licorice? It's unbelievable.

830
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: I could knock down Twizzlers like a bowl of it,

831
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: and I never feel I never once in my life

832
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: have had licorice and thought.

833
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: Oh that didn't agree with me.

834
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I try Skittles, I'm like on cloud nine.

835
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, Skittles, there's no sugar in that, so you should

836
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 8: be good.

837
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Speaker 6: No red dyes or anything. You're all clear on that.

838
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: You know half the stuff you read in the internet,

839
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't even buy. Oh you can't drink anymore? Well,

840
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm very stressed out last night and my turtle saw

841
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: levels were high, so I knocked out a gin and soda.

842
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: I felt like I was, honestly Clark Kent, I was Superman.

843
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 6: What was the stress?

844
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: Was this?

845
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 6: Because you have to stop talking.

846
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: With old Arnold, dealing with a lot of your nonsense.

847
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: It's very stressful, I.

848
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Speaker 3: Gotta tell you.

849
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Speaker 1: People always say now the big trend is young people

850
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: don't drink.

851
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: That's a problem. That's where all the fun is.

852
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I did anything in my twenties and

853
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: thirties that was meaningful. Yeah, without a tequila shot or

854
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: a yeah corona.

855
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: Like you, if you don't want to have fun.

856
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 6: You needed the liquid courage to talk to the ladies back.

857
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: In the day, right, Yeah, And sometimes Ann gets mad

858
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: at me. I need liquid courage to talk to hand. Yeah,

859
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: he was fired up last night. I was like, I

860
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: better have one.

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00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 8: Oh, that's why you were upset? Okay, not low maintenance.

862
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 6: Jay Macketts and was on your case. Got it all right?

863
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Speaker 7: Ye?

864
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 8: Hey, Valentine's Days right around the corner, buddy, I hope

865
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 8: you got your act together there.

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Speaker 1: I know what Saturday is, just making sure very few

867
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: days a guy's got to get right. Anniversary. You may

868
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: want to put that in your phone. YEA Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 1: that one that one kind of seems to matter.

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Speaker 8: Did you send Sam Darnold any roses or anything or

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Speaker 8: you know, just to make cover all of.

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Speaker 1: This, made contact through sources to Sam Donald, wishing him

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Speaker 1: greatness going forward, great Daniel Jeremiah's.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next hour.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you if you haven't read that stuff on

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Speaker 1: the Coamingo Warrior Steve kerrcious, not as good as liquorice,

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Speaker 1: but that that that was a great story. That was

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable story. Nobody, nobody's talking about it because of

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Go read it.

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