1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: But I don't think we're gonna see the forty homer 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: long so doo again unless you know this, Batspeed's kind 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: of returns all right. 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: You know Sorrus from the Athletic joining us right now. 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: Also can hear him almost daily on rates and barrels, 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: which I'm a big fan of. You know, great to 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: have you on here. I wanted to start with your 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: young pitching article, and obviously you know that's the freshest one, 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: so let's start there. 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: What stands out? 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: What are a couple of names that we should be 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: keeping an eye on from the national perspective here? 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think Jack Lighter is one of 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: my favorites, just because I always fall in love with 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: these guys that have a ton of stuff and not 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: great command. But the reason that I see hope for 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: Jack Lighter is it's kind of a revamped arsenal, Like 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: he's throwing a sinker now and he's starting to really 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: throw the slider like thirty percent of the time, and 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: those are pitches I think he can command. So I 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of think that that's the way for for him, 22 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 1: is just not scessarily, just like bride a command before Seane, 23 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Maybe he can't. Maybe it's fine pitches you can command 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: and throw those more often, and so I think that 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: there's a way forward for him that will kind of 26 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: capitalize on that draft status and all that upside that 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: he has. You know, there's another guy in Will Warren 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: right now that's kind of putting it together in the 29 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: way that I'd hoped these pieces about young pitchers that 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: have stuff and need to figure out how to put 31 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: it together. Warren's stuff doesn't play as well against lefties, 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: but what we've seen recently is he's throwing a ton 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: of curves and he's not throwing as many fastballs against lefties, 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: and so he's basically basically just going with a full 35 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: junk approach against lefties, and I think it's working. You know, 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: all his pitches bend a lot, and as long as 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't give the lefties a nice straight one to hit, 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: I think he can get through the lineup a bunch 39 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: of times. He has a big arsenal and apparently new 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: story on the Athletic garret hole is in his ear 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: telling him how to kind of put it all together. 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: And Clark Schmid is a similar pitcher, So there are 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: ways for him to kind of learn from the guys 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: around him. 45 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: So you wrote a lot. I read this earlier and 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: I actually like kind of went back because there was 47 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 4: a lot to unfold here, which is pretty interesting to me. 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: It's the era the guys this is just incredible. They 49 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 4: have such they're doing, They have good stuff, but the 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 4: era is so much higher than what it should be 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: and what it should show. You talk about the zone here, 52 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: the waist zone. You know, tell us a little about 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: what you got on the waist zone and you know 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 4: the minus strikeouts minus walk rate. Go over a little 55 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: bit of you know, looking at Jack Leder as the 56 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 4: guy you talk about his waist zone and the strike 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 4: minus zone. Give a little bit about that a little 58 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 4: bit so people can understand where you're talking from. 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think as a hitter, you probably remember, 60 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, non competitive pitches, you know, pitches that didn't 61 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: change anything for you as they hear you were just like, 62 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, that doesn't you know, I never thought I 63 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: was going to swing at that, you know, and it 64 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: doesn't change anything, like, oh, it doesn't set anything up 65 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: because that was just a non competitive pitch and that's 66 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: the wasist zone. Those are pitches that are not in 67 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: the shadow. The shadow is this zone that's around the 68 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: strike zone that's sort of like you know, two or 69 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: three inches in and out of the strike zone. Those 70 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: are competitive pitches. That's where you want to be. Jack 71 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: Lider's fastball is too often in the wasist zone. He's 72 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: in the bottom fifth of the league when he throws 73 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: this fastball. You know, in terms of wasting fastballs. Other 74 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: guys that do it as often to him, Luis Artiz 75 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: with the Guardians, Dylan Ceese who doesn't have great forcing 76 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: fastball command if he does have success. So you know, 77 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: it is about you know, stuff over command with Jack Lder. 78 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: But that's how it kind of plays out, is that 79 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: you just basically waste pitches that that don't do anything, 80 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: don't further what you're trying to do with the batter. 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: The batter never thinks that they're going to swing at 82 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: it and uh and so I think I think that's 83 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: a that's a sign that like he needs to look 84 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: elsewhere for ways to to kind of improve. And I 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: think that's why the sinker and the uh, the slide 86 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: are so important. You know, another thing that we use 87 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: to kind of predict if pictures are going to be 88 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: good or not. One of the most predictive stats is 89 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: strikeout minus walk rate, and that just works because they're 90 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: controlling the zone. You know, they're they're striking guys out there, 91 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: not walking guys. That's just really predictive. His is not 92 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: great there because of the walk rates too high. But 93 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: I think he's uncovered the way to attack the walk 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: rate in the new Arsenal. 95 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 4: Okay, so I I was trying to text al lighter 96 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 4: all this stuff. You're gonna have to after the show. 97 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 4: We'll talk a little bit more. Ok. 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got people in the deer and and there's 99 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: doen a lot of work, and you know, I think 100 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: that you know, he's he's really simplified his delivery. I 101 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: think the next X part is identifying the pitches he 102 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: can command best and using those the most. 103 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about one more picture. Then 104 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: we'll get to the Batspeed conversation. Shane boz Ere not pretty. 105 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: Stuff plus results look really good, So what's happening here? 106 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: You know? I think one of the things that I've 107 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: tried to put into the model, the stuff plus model, 108 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: to make it more predictive. It hasn't worked yet, but 109 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: I think I use it in my analysis, which is 110 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: how many pitches do you have? You know? And and 111 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: Shane is largely a two pitch pitcher in the fastball 112 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: and curve. When he throws the slider, he throws it 113 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: middle middle, and so you know, I think as a hitter, 114 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: you can kind of pigeonhole a guy. You can keyhole 115 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: a guy if he's just four seams high and curveballs low, 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: then you kind of have this if it's high, let 117 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: it fly philosophy, and you don't really have to cover 118 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the whole plate. And so Shane Boz the fast looks 119 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: good in a vacuum, the curveball looks good in a vacuum. 120 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: He needs something else, like he the slider goes middle 121 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: middle and it gets it's getting beat up right now. 122 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: It's got like an ops over thirteen hundred against his slider. 123 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: It's not really the solution. I think a sinker could help, 124 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: Maybe a cutter, something that he can throw that isn't 125 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: just the forceingm and the curveball. There's something you could 126 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: maybe do on the fly. I'm sure he's thrown a 127 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: sinker before, and he's thrown a cutter before, and as 128 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: possible for him to kind of break that out. But 129 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: just being forcing curveball, what you see is when you 130 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: have just two pitches like that, they put so much 131 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: pressure on them being elite. Think about Spencer Strider. He 132 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: had to be so good at the force, singment and 133 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: slider when he only had two pitches that you know 134 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: that worked for him. But there are other guys where 135 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: if you're just not as good at one of those pitches, 136 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: then batters are like, that's the one I want. I'm 137 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: gonna wait till I get that one, and fifty percent 138 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: of the time I'm gonna get that one. 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Download the HOF app on iOS or Android, 161 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: Enter code foul and you're all set. 162 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 4: You wrote an article about Wan Soto and it's bat 163 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 4: speed diminishing a little bit, and you wrote, is it 164 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: a big deal? Is it not? It looks like like 165 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 4: two point six miles per hour on the average down 166 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: for him. Is it that big of a deal? Are 167 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: we looking too much into this? 168 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: Well, you know, when a lot of these new batspeed 169 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: numbers that have come out, we've just got you know, 170 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: stuff about attack angle and tilt and all these new 171 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: numbers are out of Savant And one of the things 172 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: that that is not obvious right away is that these 173 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: are timing stats, so they measure bat speed at the 174 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: point of contact. Now, let's say you have a really 175 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: long swing like gian Carlos Stanton or Hovey Baias, then 176 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have more bat speed because you've had longer 177 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: of a swing to get to that point. So if 178 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: you get the ball out in front and you have 179 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: a long swing, your bat speed's automatically going to be higher. 180 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: What we're seeing from Soto is I think last year 181 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: with the Yankee Stadium, he saw that left field, he 182 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: went and got the ball, His point of contact was 183 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: out in front of his body more than it ever 184 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: had been. His swing was longer, and so his bat 185 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: speed was higher just because he was getting the ball 186 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: out in front and it was being measured at a 187 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: different point. On the other hand, even if you account 188 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: for those things, his swing is a little bit slower 189 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: this year, and it really started out like terribly and 190 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: has gotten a little bit better since. But he still 191 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten back to where he was last year. So 192 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the way I look at it is he's still elite 193 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: with the eye. He's still amazing with the eye, and 194 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: that's going to make him age really well. Think about 195 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: how well Joey Vado aged and how his eye kept 196 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: him productive even as he was getting older. So having 197 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: a great eye is a really good thing to bet 198 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: on long term. But I don't think we're going to 199 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: see the forty homer Juan Soto again unless you know, 200 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: this bat speeds kind of returns because the upper end power, 201 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: the home run swings, they come on faster swings. It's 202 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: like you get twice as many homers on seventy three 203 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: and seventy four mile hour swings, then you get on 204 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: you know, seventy mile hour swings, and so you know, 205 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: it does mean something that he's lost bat speed. It 206 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: probably means he's lost that sort of elite upper end power. 207 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: But can he hit you know, thirty two thirty four 208 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: homers this year have a OBP of like four to 209 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: twenty and you know, be one of the best hitters 210 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, I think he still can be. 211 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to try and take what Eno 212 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: said and then bring it to you, right, because part 213 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: of what he said is, hey, I mean, the longer 214 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: swing does give you more leverage to bring your bat 215 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: down and have more bad speed. So if you're Soto 216 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: and you're listening to this stuff. Or let's say it's 217 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: you right, you were soda. You last year hit forty 218 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: this year on pace for like twenty two. A lot 219 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: of the other numbers, at least, you know, the front 220 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: facing stats, batting average, on base whatever look pretty similar, 221 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: but your power is not the same. Would you take 222 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: any of this and say, hey, let me work on 223 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: lengthening because sometimes this guy swings too long. 224 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: So how do we solve this. 225 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't say lengthening. I would say shorten up. 226 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 4: I would say there's an opportunity. Maybe don't go too 227 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: far down on the bat, maybe choke up a little bit, 228 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 4: practicing on keeping your hands inside the ball a little more. 229 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: I always did a drill where I have a tee 230 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 4: close to the home plate. If I got long before 231 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: I hit the ball, I'm going to hit that tee. 232 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 4: So you bring the tea pretty much a bat's length 233 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: away of your bat, and you try and stay short, 234 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 4: short and sweet to the ball, and hopefully that translates 235 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 4: to the game. There's a lot of drills you can do, 236 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 4: but it's a matter of getting rest, eating right, you know, 237 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: getting the weight room as much as you can, and 238 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 4: being a professional, you know, at this point it's hard 239 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 4: to do and then the pressures that sometimes it's up 240 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: here too as well. 241 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there were other guys you know on your 242 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: list too, So anybody else stand out? I mean I 243 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: saw the only guy who's had a bigger drop off 244 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: Josh Naylor, and I'm like, I think Josh Naylor's having 245 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: a decent season, and I look him up. I'm like, yeah, 246 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: he's having a pretty good year results wise, So is 247 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: there anything to that story? 248 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there is a correlation between bad speed 249 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: and swinging mess and so you know what, while you 250 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: know it can be you know, not great for your 251 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: upper end power numbers to lose to lose bad speed, 252 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: it can mean more contact. Lindor's having a fine beginning 253 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: of the season. Shae Langliers has cut his strikeout rate 254 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: from above like worse than average to like a really 255 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: good number. I think he's at like sixteen percent strikeout. 256 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: It's like almost a breakout for Shae Langlers. But one 257 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: thing you'll notice that the Shane Langlers was an elite 258 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: territory and now he's in above average territory. So it's 259 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: not dropping off in a way that so it's a 260 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: little bit more worrisome for like Andrew McCutcheon who went 261 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: from pretty good bad speed to now below average bat speed. 262 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: And for Naylor, you know, I think if he's he's 263 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: always had like this good contact for power, maybe it's 264 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: fine for him. So the thing that's so hard about 265 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: these numbers is that there is no like one number 266 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: that's like that is good and this is bad. You know, 267 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: I will just say that the when you talk about 268 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: like hitting a ball one hundred and twenty miles an hour, 269 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: like John Carlos Stanton does, what do you have to 270 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: do to hit the ball one hundred and twenty miles 271 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: an hour? You have to swing the bat seventy five 272 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: miles an hour, you know. And so there is a 273 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: relationship between the top end power. Now, you know, Colton 274 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: Cowser last year actually started swinging a heavier bat and 275 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: it slowed his bat down a little bit and that 276 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: left him in the zone longer, and it cut down 277 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: some of his swing and miss and that was good 278 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: for him because he was swinging missing too much. So 279 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: there's like this relationship between how much contact you make 280 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: and how much power you make that you can play 281 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: around with and you know those drills are are a 282 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: great way. Like by the way, like choking up with 283 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: the bat increases bat speed for sure. And you know 284 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: why do those people have those hockey pucks on the bottom. 285 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: It's about changing the relationship of the of the weight 286 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: on your on your on your bat to speed your 287 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: bat up. Now, putting a hockey puck on the bottom 288 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: will speed your bat up, but it'll put less mass 289 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: at the point of contact. Like the torpedo bats are 290 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: all about putting more mass at the point of contact. 291 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: So we're sciencing this stuff up and we're learning about 292 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: it in the public. I think we're three or four 293 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: years behind what teams know. But you know it is 294 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: first of all, it's not easy to just say this 295 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: number good, this number bad. And then lastly, a lot 296 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: of this stuff is about timing. If you think about 297 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: the swing, it's flat through the zone and then it 298 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: comes up because that everybody finishes up. That's why it's 299 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: good to get the ball out in front for power, 300 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: because you're flat through the zone and then you kind 301 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: of come up on the ball out in front. Homers, 302 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, ninety percent of homers are hit out in 303 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: front of the plate. And so you know that's a 304 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: timing issue too. So there you have more bat speed 305 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: when you're out there because you're you've had more time 306 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: to get there. So I mean, it's it's I know 307 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: it's it sounds confusing, but batspeed is good for power, 308 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: bad for contact. And you know, some guys can cut 309 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: down on bat speed and get it's good for them, 310 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: but generally it cuts down in your upside for hitting 311 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: the ball super super hard. 312 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 5: It's an opposite field swing. When I say opposite field, 313 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 5: I don't mean to pitch away. They have to hit 314 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 5: it away. Is an opposite field swing generally across the board, 315 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 5: a slower swing than a swing that is pulled feet. 316 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: Yes, in the way it's measured, right, But I don't Yeah, 317 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: but I don't think. I don't think it is like 318 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: we we need to come up with some sort of 319 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: acceleration number, some sort of number that gives us bat 320 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: speed where that's not true. But the way it is now, yes, 321 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: an opposite field swing will register less because the point 322 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: of contact is deeper, and so your bat hasn't had 323 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: as much time to get up to full speed. 324 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: Ah Okay, So I want to spend this to you know, 325 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: a global perspective, right, I think we got pretty granular 326 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: on bat speed, Like what should I don't want to 327 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: say just like a little league or just play ball, 328 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: but what should an aspiring pro be doing with data 329 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: like this? You know, and really just observing how major 330 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: league hitters are treating data like this, right, whether you're 331 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: a college player or a super competitive prospect in high school, 332 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: minor leaguer, do you think there's pros and cons here 333 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: even to the injury component? 334 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: Right? 335 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: I mean we're in a world for the past what 336 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years now where velocity gets rolled over 337 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: almost anything and has certainly led to more injuries. Could 338 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: we see something like that occur if guys are doing 339 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: too much to try and increase bat speed. 340 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do think that's a risk. You 341 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: have somebody like Tristan Casss, you know, turning so fast 342 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: that he has like a cartilage injury that they said 343 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: was like a car crash inside his in his ribs. 344 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, Like, I'm not I'm not singling him out. 345 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: I'm just saying he turns really super fast and it 346 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: led to an injury. Obliques, obliques are you know? I 347 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: think there's a year of a year, just more and 348 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: more oblique injuries among hitters and pitchers as they turn 349 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: super fast to throw the ball hard and to hit 350 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: the ball hard. It is a risk. It is the 351 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: turning sport where we're pushing our pitch, our hid pitchers 352 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: and hitters to turn as fast as possible, as fast 353 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: as the human body can, and we're gonna we're gonna 354 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: get injuries. But I would tell that a young hitter 355 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: that it is similar to pitching in that if you 356 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: want to play in the big leagues, you gotta hit, 357 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: you gotta be able to swing the bad at least 358 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: seventy miles an hour. You know. It's like if you 359 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: want to pitch in the big leagues, you got to 360 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: you gotta be able to throw the ball at least 361 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: ninety three miles an hour ninety I mean, if you 362 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: want to get drafted in the first round you get, 363 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: you gotta throw at ninety six ninety seven, you know. 364 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: And so I would say that bad speed matters. But 365 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: I think it's also like pitch speed where it's like 366 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: build the engine and then be able to get good 367 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: bat speed without cheating to get it, Like don't you 368 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: don't have to like fly open and just pull that 369 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: bat through just to make the number go big. You know, 370 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: do it within your mechanics. Do it if you're a pitcher, 371 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: do it with good mechanics. Do it so that you 372 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: can throw easy cheese. Like do the same thing when 373 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: you're hitting, be able to swing the bat really fast 374 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: in a controlled way that still allows you to make contact. 375 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: But realize, the guys in the pros swing the bat 376 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: faster than the guys in college, swing the bat faster 377 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: than the guys in high school. And if you want 378 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: to advance, you got to have the bat. 379 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: Speed one more real quick. Because I'm fascinated by this stuff. 380 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: I feel like there's a conversation like this right now 381 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: with max exit velocity right, like how hard can this 382 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: guy hit the boll? 383 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: I mean EB, but also max EB right? Have you 384 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: seen that really track that they do? 385 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 4: Right? 386 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: Like what's my ceiling? Because well, but why do they 387 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: track that? 388 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: You know? 389 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 3: Is it because front offices on something like that? 390 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? Rob, So if you know, I just talked to 391 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: Jordan Lawler and I was like, you hit a ball 392 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: hard and he's like one hundred and eleven. I know, 393 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: it was like, and he's like knew exactly what ball 394 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: I was talking about, and it was the best ball 395 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: he'd hit, And that changes his upside from if he's 396 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: hitting one hundred and nine miles an hour at his best, 397 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: then he's probably like you judge him as like a 398 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: fifteen to eighteen homer hitter. But if he hits the 399 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: ball one hundred and eleven, maybe twenty two, maybe twenty three, 400 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, so it describes your raw power, and it's 401 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: really linked to that. Now, there are guys like Cabrian 402 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Hayes who have you know, hit the ball really hard, 403 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: but not ever written able to lift it. And that's 404 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: why that's why I make the descincsion into raw power 405 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: and game power. There are guys who don't hit the 406 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: ball as hard as John Carlis Stanton, but hit a 407 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: lot of homers because they get to that, you know, 408 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: they get to well, they hit the ball hard in 409 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: the right angles. But you know, you hit a ball 410 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen on the backfield, everybody notices. Everybody notices, 411 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: everybody writes that down, every scout notices. 412 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: And then then there's Chandler Simpson and Jacob Pulls and 413 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: some of these outliers right basically, you know, because I'm 414 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: sure you like these guys too. I'm just trying to 415 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: make sure that we don't lose those guys. I'm not 416 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: trying to be like, oh, almost so old school, but 417 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: it is fun to have some of these contact kings 418 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: within our sport to give a variety. 419 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: I love them, and you know, you know it's crazy that, 420 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, like Freddie Freeman is one of them, Luisa Rise. 421 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: They have really short swings and slow swings by the stats, 422 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: but I would point out they still swing at sixty eight, 423 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: so you know, the bar for entry is still you know, 424 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: around seventy miles an hour for the pros, even the 425 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: guys who swing it slow. But you know what they 426 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: do is they prioritize getting to the ball very quickly 427 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: and making contact as opposed to maybe you know, having 428 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: a bit of a longer swing, having faster at contact 429 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: and you know, hitting the ball further. And I love that. 430 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the many more, the more ways 431 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: there are to be a good baseball player, the better 432 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: I think the sport is. 433 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: Yes, better product coming from someone on the outside he 434 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: just wants to watch fun and be entertained. 435 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, better product if we have a lot of variety. 436 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: You know, this was great. Thank you check out you 437 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: know his article. Obviously we only got to a couple 438 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: of pictures. Go read the article in the Athletic for 439 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: the rest. You know, appreciate the time. Man, Good to 440 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: see you, Thanks guys. 441 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: Crats. Any thoughts on some of the bat speed stuff. 442 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard. That's something that's super hard for 443 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 5: me to compare to when I played, because they had 444 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 5: the uh blast motion, yeah, in sixteen when I got 445 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 5: to the Astros, and then I saw it some team 446 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 5: started implementing it or using it in like eighteen nineteen, 447 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 5: and that information was kind of demoralizing to me. It 448 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 5: was like, I get it, I'm a two hundred hitter 449 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 5: in the big leagues, but like, I feel like I'm 450 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 5: a pretty good player. I feel like I can play. 451 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 5: But then you put that stuff on and I'm like, oh, 452 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 5: maybe I shouldn't give them any more information. So I 453 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 5: was always I was always just just interested in knowing 454 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 5: they're just getting the information, they're gathering it. But how 455 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: are teams implementing it, How are players implementing it? How 456 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 5: I want to ask eno, Like a guy like Mookie 457 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 5: lost at fifteen twenty pounds, and he's talked about he 458 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 5: wants to get his bat speed back up. Then he 459 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 5: always talks about, you know, they are all these charts. 460 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: They always talk about dudes are aging, and that's what happens. 461 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: Your bat speed goes down. 462 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 5: So then how do guys continue to play, continue to 463 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 5: have power. I had the same amount of power as 464 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 5: I had when I was twenty two in the game, 465 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 5: So I don't know. I don't know how how to 466 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 5: implement the bat speed. And that's why I had so 467 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: many questions. 468 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that some you know, maybe 469 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: you're like a top prospect, just like one of those naturals, 470 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: and then you can actually look at that and make tweaks, 471 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 472 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 5: Now, Maybe I just I just don't want to see 473 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 5: a kid get on there and have a sixty four 474 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 5: mile hour batspeed and be like, well, you have no 475 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 5: chance of making the big leagues, like you know, you know, 476 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 5: kind of said it there, and you're like maybe maybe, 477 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 5: Like it's not like I don't I don't know, I 478 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 5: don't know. I mean, he says it's a direct correlation, 479 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 5: but it's not like everybody has a chance to be 480 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 5: able to improve at things, and I just don't want 481 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 5: it to be just a definite no, you can't do it. 482 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 2: And I want more Chandler Simpsons and he doesn't. He 483 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: doesn't hit those those metrics.