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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day covering the Diddy Trial.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everyone to Amy and TJ Presents Aubrey O Day.

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Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robock alongside my partner TJ Holmes, and we

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Speaker 2: have Aubrey with us to talk about what's going on

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Speaker 2: with the Sean Diddy Coombs trial. And Aubrey certainly has

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Speaker 2: perspective like no one else.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But we're going to get into some of the

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Speaker 1: details from of course the star witness, Cassie Venturer. But

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Speaker 1: can you just give me your initial impression because so

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Speaker 1: many of us have heard this testimony and your jaws

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Speaker 1: are dropped, But give me your impression of what we've

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Speaker 1: heard so far and how she's doing. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: some details, but just initial impression of how she's done.

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Speaker 3: Initial impression from what I'm able to read in the

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Speaker 3: transcripts and from people that I have giving the information

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Speaker 3: in court is it feels very honest. It feels very open, vulnerable, horrific.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I hear her discuss things that she did then

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Speaker 3: and how now she would never she understands it differently,

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Speaker 3: and that makes me feel like so happy for her

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Speaker 3: that she's come, you know, because I don't know her

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Speaker 3: as a mom, so like to understand that she made

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Speaker 3: that evolution and went to the other side of viewing

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Speaker 3: all of it made me feel like really proud of her.

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Speaker 3: It's horrific that it's horrific that she had to go

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Speaker 3: through go through so much. You know, there was one

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Speaker 3: part of the testimony that was so telling. It's not

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Speaker 3: even anything anyone's really touching on, but there was a

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Speaker 3: transcript that I read that went something like like, you know,

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Speaker 3: bring something up to you and he's like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know you don't want to do the freak out now.

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Speaker 3: You so predictable. That's a very It's a statement that

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Speaker 3: groomers make if you've ever dated anyone that doesn't really

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Speaker 3: love you and is like abusive usually and pushing you

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Speaker 3: into things. It doesn't even have to be sexual. It

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Speaker 3: could be anything they want you to do. It's like

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Speaker 3: almost training a child, right like, oh, you want to

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Speaker 3: bring up this? You so predictable, like you just like

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Speaker 3: the rest of them. And then you get that feeling

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Speaker 3: as a woman to be like no, wait, I'm not

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Speaker 3: I promise you then talk yourself back into an idea,

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Speaker 3: same way when she was brutally abused in that hallway,

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Speaker 3: him writing her, I'm about to get arrested. The police

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Speaker 3: are here. They've already testified to the fact that there

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Speaker 3: was no arrest and there was no police arresting him.

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Speaker 3: That was to get her to come back.

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Speaker 2: That control, it's.

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Speaker 3: Control, coercion, it's grooming. It's all pieces of many things

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Speaker 3: that make me really understand how much manipulation was involved

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Speaker 3: in getting her to activate the emotions that he wanted

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Speaker 3: her to project.

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Speaker 2: Aubrey. So many of us who have been listening to

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Speaker 2: Cassie's testimony have been shocked. I mean, we had heard

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Speaker 2: like just general details about what she might say, but

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Speaker 2: to actually hear her go into descriptive detail about what

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Speaker 2: she says she experienced over a decade. Was there anything

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Speaker 2: she said in these last several days of testimony that

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Speaker 2: surprised you, that shocked you? No, Wow, What was the

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Speaker 2: hardest thing to hear from her?

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Speaker 3: That she felt so loved in his company, and she

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Speaker 3: felt he made her feel unlike anyone else, and so

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Speaker 3: she would do these things because it was the only

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Speaker 3: that feeling that was That was a hard listen because

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Speaker 3: I think any woman that's ever cared for somebody that

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Speaker 3: may not have that ability or desire to, has pandered

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Speaker 3: in one way or another, whether it's a sex party

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Speaker 3: or bringing themselves down to certain levels that no woman

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Speaker 3: because yet to remember, women see ourselves through the projection

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Speaker 3: of men. You know, since we're young kids, since we're

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Speaker 3: young girls, we're kind of groomed into these social ideas

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Speaker 3: and norms. I mean, should I just turn forty one

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Speaker 3: and people are saying to me, oh, so you didn't

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Speaker 3: want kids, Well, I honestly, I'm just getting to age

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Speaker 3: but the answer has already decided for me when somebody

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Speaker 3: a lot of ways that I have compromised. No, let

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Speaker 3: me not say probably. There are many ways that I

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Speaker 3: but I don't judge her compromise. A compromise is a compromise.

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Speaker 3: When you compromise yourself, you're doing the same damage. It

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Speaker 3: really doesn't matter in what area, it's all the same.

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Speaker 3: That knowledge of understanding how we compromise for people's love

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Speaker 3: It certainly had me going through all my relationships like, wow,

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Speaker 3: I thought this relationship was something like this, and I've

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Speaker 3: always narrated it and believed it to be so. But

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Speaker 3: as I start to think about it, there were times

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Speaker 3: kinds of things for me, you know, a bad childhood,

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Speaker 3: not ever feeling like anyone would fight for me. I

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Speaker 3: and because I spent from my young days to forty

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Speaker 3: one being in this industry, I didn't It's not like

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Speaker 3: I made a good friend like a group of girlfriends

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Speaker 3: while while my friends were doing that in their twenties

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Speaker 3: So it's it's just a I don't know. That was

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Speaker 3: the part of the testimony that really like stood out

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Speaker 3: lot of times that I have done that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw us both react, We

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Speaker 1: both got tears in our eyes reporting on that this week,

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Speaker 1: that was the moment that was most chillingest to hear

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Speaker 1: all the horror, but for her to say the highlight

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Speaker 1: of a freak off was she just enjoys spending time

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Speaker 1: with him. That was that was tough.

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Speaker 2: That jumped out at us too. So when you said that,

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Speaker 2: we both said, Wow, we had the exact same react.

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Speaker 3: And remember what I said to you last time, There's

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Speaker 3: nobody else that I would want to revisit more than him.

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Speaker 3: When he is proud of you and when he gives

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Speaker 3: you his attention and thinks that you're great, and if

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Speaker 3: you notice. In her testimony, she says, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what the first freak off was. I was drugged. It

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Speaker 3: was weird. I felt dirty, I felt embarrassed, but then

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Speaker 3: he was really proud of me, and so I felt good.

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Speaker 3: I understand all of those emotions in regards to that man.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: It's so it's something so many of us can.

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Speaker 1: Okay, help us with And how does it play into

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Speaker 1: the story? We a lot of us didn't know it.

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Speaker 1: She was nineteen when they met. He kissed her, she said,

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Speaker 1: he testified at a birthday party. She said was unwanted.

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Speaker 1: I guess the rest of their relationship.

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Speaker 3: I think it would probably be very You know, I've

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Speaker 3: kind of had to play along with whatever the narratives were.

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Speaker 3: And there's an exhilaration there. The lifestyle that did he

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Speaker 3: live is so extreme in every way. I think that

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Speaker 3: I don't know how she testified to feeling about it.

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Speaker 3: I think she just was like, WHOA, that happened? Like

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Speaker 3: I didn't see that it was bad or good in

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Speaker 3: I think it probably it probably made her feel that,

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Speaker 2: You've talked about all the people around Diddy who were

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Speaker 2: there to make sure he had his every need met.

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Speaker 2: When you heard Cassie testify about all the people who

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Speaker 2: be a part of creating these freakouts, or at least

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Speaker 2: the ambiance around them. The lighting had to be correct,

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Speaker 3: Very ditty, very scorpio, very visual.

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Speaker 2: Were Yes, were you aware? Like I know that you

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Speaker 2: said you weren't surprised by your testimony, But did everyone

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Speaker 3: So I never witnessed a big room of baby oil

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Speaker 1: You know, I haven't heard somebody put you made a

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Speaker 1: good point. I hadn't thought about in all these videos.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just think it's a part. Yes, it's a

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Speaker 2: Thought about it, that he was almost creating his own pornow.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he also made music videos all the time. I mean,

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Speaker 3: and all of the above. I mean he would come

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Speaker 3: wanted everything a whole different way, that's what had to happen.

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Speaker 2: Okay. And so to that point, we heard Cassie talk

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Speaker 2: about and she said even a facial expression, the wrong

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely accurate. You saw that, Yes, experienced it many times.

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Speaker 2: It was directed at you.

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Speaker 3: It was on camera. You can watch making the band

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Speaker 3: and see a few moments where just a face created

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Speaker 3: a reaction that was abusive.

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Speaker 1: Did you always in an argument or back and forth

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Speaker 1: have felt a little different, but it felt physically intimidating. Yes,

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Speaker 1: would everybody have that experience who's been around him?

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Speaker 3: No, because he wasn't interested in everybody. There were people

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Speaker 3: I think the response of people online is disgusting in

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Speaker 3: And I thought the dynamics of also him knowing that

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that probably had to hit on

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Speaker 2: Potentially, we heard Cassie testify that it was her husband

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Speaker 3: How completely related? I've had many times where I've felt

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Speaker 3: Let's just make it a broad conversation. It's the it's

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Speaker 3: That's somebody's story. That type of pain and knowing that

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Speaker 3: There's literally like an episode of Making the Band where

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Speaker 3: Her name is Shannon. Until one day Shannon turned to

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Speaker 3: And I'd be like, Shannon, there are eight million problems.

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Speaker 3: I did those moments for other things, but not when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just we discussed it in the last episode.

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Speaker 2: Would It's so interesting how I'm sure non shocked and

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Speaker 2: him directing these freak offs and how everything it mattered

437
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: how she looked and it didn't matter how she felt.

438
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: She talked about vomiting. Yeah, and because of the drugs

439
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: she had to be on to stay up for as

440
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: many as four days straight.

441
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: Said last time. Kids in his girls, young girls in

442
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 3: the courtroom learning about how Daddy liked to smack it

443
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 3: and whip it and roll it around. It's all about

444
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: what is good for his image, his visual his optics.

445
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: Whoever has to be sacrificed along the way, got to

446
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 3: take the move. It's what he wants and it's what

447
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: his optics require, and even down to potentially his own

448
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: family is operating within that type of in my opinion, coercion.

449
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 2: My goodness, and so none of that testimony.

450
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: Would you want your daughters in a courtroom if you

451
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: had done freaky things like would you want your daughter

452
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 3: knowing any would you ask the people around you to

453
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: ask her to please step out, even if she was

454
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: like begging to be there and defend father.

455
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: Being Some of my texts to roboc for the same reason. No,

456
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: you make a point. You do always feel like you

457
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: want to protect your case, certainly from your own bad

458
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: behavior or something that's could be that's not even bad behavior.

459
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: You don't want you kids to know about.

460
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 3: Your kings, correct, don't you think? Don't you think that's

461
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 3: telling disturbing?

462
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: You find that very telling of him.

463
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: It's beyond telling. It's showing me and the the alex

464
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: fine move that they made. It's showing me that this

465
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: man isn't hasn't learned yet, still hasn't learned what we're

466
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: all trying to get him to learn.

467
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: Now, you said earlier to Robot he said nothing, and

468
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: you paused. She says, anything you heard from Cassie and

469
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: her testimony surprised you? You said, no, I just want

470
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: to ask about something in particular. Are you not surprised

471
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: when you hear her describe how he raped her? He actually,

472
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: she says he sexually assaulted her.

473
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: Do you remember the word she used? Do you guys

474
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: have any dictation of it.

475
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: I don't remember the word. I just remember this was

476
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: supposed to be and it seemed like it was a.

477
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: Cordial ways and then he can her house and then

478
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: did she describe anything?

479
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: What did she say? On top of her living room?

480
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: She said she cried throughout and he doesn't even think

481
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: he recognized that she was crying. And also said, I

482
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: think that his eyes were black, so he was on drugs. Unrecognizable.

483
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: He went to the black eyes where he's probably on drugs.

484
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: Could you tell when did he was on drugs and

485
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: when he wasn't.

486
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: He has a look that is very specific. When that

487
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 3: you would you would probably some would describe it as

488
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: like devilish, like you can't see a soul in the eyes.

489
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: There's only three people that I just couldn't find their

490
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: soul in their eyes. And I'm an aquarian, I'm an impath.

491
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: I like to connect with people. I am like a

492
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 3: very in tune girl that likes to feel people's eyes

493
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: and their presence and their souls. There's only three people

494
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: that I could not find the soul in it's it's

495
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: a scary thing to see. It's a scary thing to see.

496
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 3: I can't imagine sleeping next to it. I can't imagine

497
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: loving it. I can't imagine wanting to please it. There's

498
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: if there's nothing there to connect with and you can't

499
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: see anything in the eyes, and that's what you and

500
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: that's somebody that you love. Because like I said, it's

501
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: not all bad. It wasn't all bad for Cassie either.

502
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: She clearly isn't going to go on She's not here

503
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: to go on the stand and tell you about all

504
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 3: the good days. People are pointing out good days as

505
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: if that's disputing anything that she's told us was a

506
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: bad day. This trial isn't about talking about the good days,

507
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: so that's not what anyone is focused on. But at

508
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: the end of the day, whether even some are consensual

509
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: or not, it is very clear that abuse was occurring there.

510
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: It is very clear that that grooming and that coercion

511
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: was occurring. It is very clear that that you know,

512
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: she was being paid as an artist and on payroll,

513
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: but she stopped making albums early on because the sex

514
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: parties became her full time job. So what was the

515
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: payment that was coming when there were no more nine

516
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: albums to release?

517
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: The idea that he was capable of raping someone right,

518
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, again, you've had experience with him and know

519
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: him in certain ways, but that's still not and it's

520
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: an allegation at this point that she's making.

521
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: It's an allegation that she's making. I want to just

522
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 3: also point out it's an allegation that a whole lot

523
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: of people have made. Do we know the count on

524
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: the civil suits at this.

525
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: Point, we lost count now long ago, so for me.

526
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: That many civil suits. And by the way, I stayed

527
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: super neutral on this topic when I first heard it,

528
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: that was you know, that was something that I can't have.

529
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: I don't have any first hand knowledge obviously on that day,

530
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: and I don't know anyone that was there because there

531
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: was nobody there, So that was never gossip. That was

532
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: never in the streets. That was never So that's just

533
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: between the two. So I stayed neutral on that one

534
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 3: specific thing when I read all of her case. However,

535
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: when all of the things that came after, I have

536
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: to start to wonder, this is a whole lot of

537
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: people that are willing to make up very extreme detailed

538
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: stories if they're not truths these and then to bring

539
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 3: lawyers and all of that. Like, yeah, I get that

540
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: you see a settlement, you think maybe you can get one,

541
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: and maybe some people are dumb enough to go that route.

542
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: But this is a very serious thing. These are very

543
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: serious allegations, and there are so many of them. It

544
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: would be hard to assume that that many people are

545
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: full blown lying about every single detail of their lives.

546
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: Like that's kind of hectic to suggest that. So it's

547
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: hard to just be like right in the middle, I'm

548
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: leaning a bit.

549
00:30:53,360 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we know that obviously when we're hearing some of

550
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: the cross examination that's coming at Cassie from the defense attorneys.

551
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: You know, she even openly admitted that she even after

552
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: what she called rape, the rape happened, she claimed she

553
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: did have consensual sex with him another time after that.

554
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: And sometimes people people look at that and say, come on,

555
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: And if you're in a relationship, you know, come on,

556
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: what do you say to those people who are now

557
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: questioning the credibility of whether or not she was actually raped,

558
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: given the fact that she was, she was ending the

559
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: relationship with him, but that she then had consensual sex

560
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: with him afterwards.

561
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: It's all a very long weaved narrative of grooming a

562
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: young girl that just would do anything to be have

563
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: that those personal time moments with you, even if it

564
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: involved some people you didn't know it was their secret,

565
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: proposed it to her as like introducing her into his mind.

566
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: In the very beginning, you hear her say I didn't

567
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: want to say know or bring up specific things that

568
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: he was requesting that were really uncomfortable and weird, like

569
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: describing her body to an escort, like the game plan

570
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: of how each freak off work, and that she felt uncomfortable.

571
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: But she never wanted to say it because she didn't

572
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: want to make him feel he was weird, because she

573
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: loved him so much and she didn't want him to

574
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: think like he gave her a personal I almost could

575
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: see the conversation in my head because I just know

576
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: how this works so well. He opened her up and

577
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: to his personal secrets. She got to know the personal

578
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: secrets of Diddy. You feel like all kinds of things,

579
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: like maybe you could help. Some girls are fixers, you know,

580
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: there's all kinds of things that go on in a

581
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: woman's mind when a man has captured your heart. You know,

582
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: it gets a bit hectic. There are ways that we compromise.

583
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: Cassie's been saying it, like I want to come forward

584
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: and admit to all of these things that were wrong

585
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: that weren't okay. That are embarrassing because I want to

586
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: be honest for once, and you know, for at this

587
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: point in my life, and tell the full truth about

588
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: all the things that she was doing in a younger

589
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: age that she now believes was absolutely you know criminal.

590
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: When's the last time you talked to Cassie? And when

591
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: this is all over and you're able to, will you

592
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: reach out to her.

593
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: I don't want to answer the first question. The second

594
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: question is no, I don't. My way of of anything

595
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: that I could ever do for Cassie would just be

596
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: to stand up publicly and defender. I think I was

597
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: the first person to do it for a few days

598
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: of crickets. I asked my band members to chime in.

599
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: So the only thing I could do was just defend.

600
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: And also, like you know, in a lawsuit, like I said,

601
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: you don't talk about the good days. You don't talk

602
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: about the days where you maybe wanted it, or you

603
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: maybe acted like you wanted it in order to make

604
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: them not leave you or go do it with somebody else,

605
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 3: because you craved there at that moment, in that personal

606
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: time with them so much like of course that I

607
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: understood both sides of I understood both the moments. I

608
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: knew what would be brought against her, And I think

609
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: that people have to be able to not take one

610
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: set of text messages or one of these events and

611
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: turn it into a broad understanding of the overall picture.

612
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: We're hearing one person's story about what it looks like

613
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: to have been somebody that was in his in his

614
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: what is it like right in front of you and

615
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: his visibility in his eye? Somebody that he wanted. There's

616
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: going to it will continue on. There's eight weeks and

617
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: we're on day what four? It's gotten pretty hectic for

618
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: four days. Do they've proven one charge for sure already?

619
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: How have you which one moved?

620
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: The transportation of.

621
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: Constitution?

622
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: Is that a transportation of PROCESSUS traffic, not trafficking? There's

623
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: three there's a charge that it's like transport of sexual workers.

624
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: That charge has been proven. I think I believe sexual

625
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: trafficking has been proven. These text messages are going to

626
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: make it a little more difficult for the jury to understand.

627
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: I don't love eight men. I'm being told by my

628
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: people in the courtroom that these aren't Some of these

629
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: men aren't giving jackhammer and a construction belt man some

630
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: of them are giving their their sensitive So I don't know.

631
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: As a very jaded woman at forty one that's been

632
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: around of a bunch of very disgusting men for a

633
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: very long history in the industry, I don't trust it

634
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: at all. So you one of them is bound to

635
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: fuck up. You think a man in a room, are

636
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: you sidebar because you're a man ay a man in

637
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: a room or deciding something that's very serious to you,

638
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: are you going to trust that?

639
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it just takes one. It just takes one

640
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: to hang the joey.

641
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: So would you trust it? No? Thank you?

642
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: But you that increases concern about maybe an acquittal because

643
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: of how many men you think they will be sympathetic

644
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: in some way to him.

645
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: I don't think an acquittal. I think it would be

646
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 3: hung and I think that one charge. I think he'll

647
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: for sure get one charge. Right now, as of day four,

648
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: we have two months to go. I think one thing

649
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: has absolutely been proven. I think the other has been proven.

650
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: But some of my friends are arguing otherwise. The cross

651
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: is not as crossy as I thought it would be.

652
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 3: I'm I'm like sad and glad because I don't want

653
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: Cassie to ever be brutalized anymore ever again, But also

654
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: kind of sad that they didn't go a little harder

655
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: like the lawyer with Harvey Weinstein did. Like you, I

656
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: was hoping that they would make the mistake of being

657
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: overly aggressive with her, and it sounds like and it

658
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: sounds like they didn't.

659
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: So you know, I heard someone one reporter were talking

660
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: about this morning described it as almost two friends being

661
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: cordial in conversation, and that was incredible to see.

662
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: I do have smart, it's smart, strategic, it's strategic.

663
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: I do have the charges here we're talking about. So

664
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: it's one racketeering conspiracy, two charges of sex trafficking and

665
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: then the two you were talking about transportation to engage

666
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: in prostitution.

667
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: That's been proven, was the other. Transportation has been proven?

668
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: The sex trafficking, I feel it has, but you got

669
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: to prove force and coercion. Some of those text messages

670
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: are going to make people doubt what they heard on

671
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: day two, which day two was much stronger day one.

672
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: It was.

673
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: It was a slower start for me, and the defense

674
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: had an incredible opening. This Day two picked up for

675
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: the prosecution in my opinion, But yeah, I think that like,

676
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 3: we're very early on in this, so right now, this

677
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: is this is the framework. This is establishing a character,

678
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: This is establishing the way that people would just do

679
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: anything that he said. That's how encompassing his power and

680
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: presence was like, I don't know, go to Brooklyn and

681
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: get cheesecake, or run around Central Park till you see

682
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: your friends drop.

683
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: Look, I am.

684
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 3: I can't wait till we have Babs on. I'm gonna

685
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 3: have her come for you, eat you up. I will.

686
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: But I watched back, and I watched I remember her,

687
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: and I watched every episode of the show, and we're

688
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: all complicit in your point. I watched with I was entertained.

689
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: Was Dave Chappelle made a whole skit of it.

690
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: But I was horrified at times, But for the most part,

691
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I did nothing took away from

692
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: Diddy for me? And what Obviously I'm a huge fan.

693
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: That was right in my lane, and I absolutely have

694
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: just been in awe of his and his accomplishments. But

695
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: what do you do when you hear a Diddy song? Now,

696
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: how do you take it?

697
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: I don't listen, but let me ask you. Let me

698
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: ask you this. Okay, name me a Diddy song, And

699
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: hold on, name me a Diddy song where there isn't

700
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: a feature of a big artist that you love.

701
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: Just name one, just a.

702
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: Solo of him. I remember the album, but I'm trying

703
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: to think of one that didn't have I think it

704
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: was right around when he became ditty again he released.

705
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: Something I just hear you babbling? Or did you come

706
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: up with?

707
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: No?

708
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: I am looking for But to the point, his hands

709
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: were on everything.

710
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: No.

711
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: To the point is his hands were on all the

712
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: publishing masters and ownership of all of the people that

713
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: he stepped on to move up. But you still can't

714
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: name me a Diddy song without a very big celebrity feature,

715
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 3: or come up somebody who ended up being very big.

716
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: But all the songs that we love, all the hits,

717
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 3: all the things that you would play, are also featuring

718
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 3: somebody else.

719
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: You don't consider those Diddy songs necessarily the right.

720
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: So is that what a Diddy song would be?

721
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: A did he do?

722
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: You want to tell me? He's his accomplishments and the

723
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 3: grandeur of all that he's accomplished as an artist. I'm

724
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: going to need to hear you name a song and

725
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: not just if I asked you Beyonce songs, you'd be

726
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 3: rolling them off your tongue. You're giving him legendary iconic

727
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: status like that, but you can't name a song, artists

728
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: or who built that entire corporation the artist. There were

729
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: the ones in the nineties, and then after that there

730
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: were all of them making the band kids.

731
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: Nothing about that I would argue. And how he's gone

732
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: about and building his success. I'm not going to argue

733
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: that at all. But it sounds like you you're taking

734
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: away or you don't think we should hold him up

735
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: the way we have as a kid. It came from

736
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: the streets and ended up where he was.

737
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: I don't suggest that you shouldn't. Yeah, I don't suggest

738
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: that you shouldn't. I'm not going to tell people how

739
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 3: to feel about people they like. That's not my concern

740
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: or my business. I'm just wanting to make a point

741
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 3: as somebody that does potentially feel that way, Please take

742
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: a second to think about just his own name as

743
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: an artist, without anyone else propping it up, without anyone

744
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: else giving credibility or talent to the song, just on

745
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: his own merits. If you can't name a ton of

746
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: songs like we can with everybody else, Jay Z, Beyoncey,

747
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: all the big people, then maybe we should be careful

748
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: about the ways in which we see him in regards

749
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 3: to you know, this incredible iconic artist, music, mogul, all

750
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: these things. He was a man that knew how to

751
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: choose the right people. And by the right people, I

752
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: mean man, They're sure were a lot of us that

753
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: never saw any payment. He chose people, and he sure

754
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: knew how to choose people that would get into the

755
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: freak offs and all because they loved him. He knew how.

756
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: When I was talking with my bandmate about this entire situation,

757
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: I asked her what you asked me? Did you ever

758
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: fear him enough to where you would have done X,

759
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 3: Y and Z? And she said no, But she said

760
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: I also think that he knew who he could get

761
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: away with that type of stuff and who he couldn't,

762
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: which is why he didn't even really know who I was,

763
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: because he knew it wouldn't fly with me.

764
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Did he does? He still have defenders that you say,

765
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: I know, you're so engaged online, so it's maybe some

766
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: stuff I don't see, But are a lot of people

767
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: out there still active in open big fans and defend

768
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: him right now.

769
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there are people that see him. I mean, God,

770
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 3: ask everybody at my hotel that recognizes me. I'm staying

771
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: at a hotel that is infamous for being Diddy's hotel,

772
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: and all kinds of things I'm sure went on at

773
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 3: that hotel, including music videos and campaigns and also maybe

774
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: other things hers, but the entire staff is still working there.

775
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: When I walked in, they were saying, man, you don't

776
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: age and things like that. And I'm looking at these

777
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: old men, like what in the food, the what? And

778
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: They're like, a guy was walking with me, tell me,

779
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I remember this. I remember that. I

780
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: remember when you came through one time. I had the

781
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: biggest crush on you. Blah blah blah every single person

782
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: in that hotel, and they're telling me their opinions about

783
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: all that, and they're saying, man, I miss this person.

784
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: I missed that person. They named a person that I

785
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: know was assaulting people. And I was just sitting here

786
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: listening to him roll through these names in the good

787
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: old days of it, and I was thinking to myself, Man,

788
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: it must be so hard for people they consider their

789
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: memories of him to be these good old days and

790
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: this run that he had in this hole did et

791
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 3: this choke hold that he had on New York in general.

792
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: I grew up on the West Coast. I'm a POC

793
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: fan baby, so it was I didn't look at him

794
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 3: like that. But for the if you were talking about PUC,

795
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: I definitely would be in a joke hold. So I

796
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 3: can understand this is his city. So in that regard,

797
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: I think that it's very hard for people to be

798
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: able to have been so disillusioned by celebrity, to be

799
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: to think that everything that we could potentially be watching

800
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: and looking up to could be as fraudulent as what

801
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: we are seeing now. And by the way it is,

802
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 3: I've been to like three places where everybody actually was

803
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: who the fuck they say they are? Everybody else is

804
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: on some bullshit. We won't get into that now, but

805
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: if I get my own podcasts, I'm calling all you

806
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: motherfuckers out.

807
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: How just remind everyone how how it went down. How

808
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: he fired you.

809
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: I was fired was we were called in to do

810
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: a final scene h to close off the season, and

811
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 3: it was just like a check in and a good job.

812
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 3: We had just gotten off of a big tour, etc.

813
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: And we all got called into this meeting and it

814
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: took a very dark turn and he I don't even

815
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 3: know how it started, but somehow he started going at

816
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: me and he fired me the words that I've been

817
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 3: told multiple times, and I rewatched it. Actually, when I came,

818
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: I moved to Bali for a while to heal from

819
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: a lot of the trauma and the things that I

820
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: found myself in the beginning half of my career not

821
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: able to have my voice. Chakras were locked up when

822
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: I got there, I learned because I would want to

823
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: tell my truth, but my truth included conversations where people

824
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: cross paths with me, and those people are lying about

825
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: who they are, and I needed to protect their lies

826
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: because they're not telling anyone the truth about who they are.

827
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: So then I could never give an honest portrayal of

828
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: anything I experienced, because every single person that I have

829
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: connected paths with was doing some funny shit. And so

830
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 3: for me, I found myself always being roadblocked, never being

831
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: able to fully get out the truth. And I was

832
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: feeling like I was just living in a whole bubble

833
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: of lies, and like we've discussed headlines that can just

834
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: be thrown out there and everyone believes it. When you're

835
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: sitting at work about to do your job, people are

836
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 3: out here thinking you're drunk and you've got a bar

837
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: in your room. It's unfair. It is offensive to the

838
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: work that we show up and do. And what can

839
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: you do about it? It could be the system that's

840
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: putting those stories out. You don't know. You can't go

841
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: against the system. I've done it a few times, and

842
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: I have a whole lot of strikes through my name

843
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: and a lot of different networks. If you haven't seen

844
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: me on a show that you've always wanted to see

845
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: me on, that's the network. I don't even know how

846
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: mask Singer happened. They wanted a ditty victim so bad

847
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: they were willing to take that blacklist out of my

848
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: name over there.

849
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: So you went back to watch the firing to kind

850
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: of relive it.

851
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: So I actually from Bally, I watched it and I

852
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: just I, like I said, I have shedded the layers

853
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: of the parts of me that were so hurt and

854
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: that knew they would never see justice. And if I

855
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: was going to continue to carry that, I would have

856
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: a chip on my shoulder the size of China. So

857
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: I had to shed and unfortunately, all the things that

858
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: people are now recognizing were the truth. They the parts

859
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 3: of me that were shed and are long gone, are

860
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: the parts that needed to hear it. It means nothing

861
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: to me now except I encourage people to see that

862
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 3: I've been telling the truth for so long, to look

863
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 3: into some of the other people I talk about, Because

864
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: if you believe I'm a truth teller on one thing,

865
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: maybe you should start looking at some of the other

866
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: truths that I've spoken on.

867
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: Well, the truth will keep coming, folks. We are just

868
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: getting started here with Aubury. We will continue to follow

869
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: very closely, like many of you are, what's happening in

870
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: that courtroom. But Aubury, we appreciate, We appreciate getting to

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Speaker 1: know you and giving all of us some better perspective

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Speaker 1: about a guy we've watched most of our lives and

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Speaker 1: about a trial that we're watching right now. Really, you've

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Speaker 1: absolutely already been wildly enlightening and we're just getting started.

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Speaker 3: Wait till we get to the urination.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good tease.

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Speaker 2: That's a hell of a tease.

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Speaker 1: Next episode, Urine. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Folks,