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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sharper Squear, presented by Hard broad Beat.

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Speaker 2: We are part of the Volume Podcast Networks.

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Speaker 1: This is the show that makes the squares sharper and

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Speaker 1: makes the wise guys pay attention, you know, matter the topic.

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Speaker 2: That is true.

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Speaker 1: Today, I am Chadmullman. I am joined as always by

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Speaker 1: my bff, my companion Michael Fadre, professional Better, my co

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Speaker 1: host Simon Hunter Ello sign.

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Speaker 3: Chad, I'm coming in hot today. I got a take

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Speaker 3: I've been sitting on.

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Speaker 4: For a month.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know we're on opposite sides of

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Speaker 3: this one majorly. I know You're just a movie you're

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Speaker 3: gonna absolutely love. And it's a little.

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Speaker 2: Movie called Hoosers and interesting.

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Speaker 4: I love that movie as a kid.

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Speaker 3: Now rewatching it, I mean, fifteen twenty years later, horrible movie.

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Speaker 3: I think it's sent coaching back about thirty years in

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Speaker 3: American culture.

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Speaker 4: Because this was such a cold classic. I couldn't believe.

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Speaker 3: It's a story about a man beat a kid in

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Speaker 3: college and goes back to coach kids in high school

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Speaker 3: and whose whole thing is my way or the highway

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Speaker 3: and I'm smarter than everybody, And I was like, oh

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Speaker 3: my god.

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Speaker 4: You know me.

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Speaker 3: Idiots watched this and they were like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: that's the right way to coach Bobby Knight and man,

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Speaker 3: I love the acting, love the time period of it.

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Speaker 3: But my god, Gene Hackman, who it was tough.

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Speaker 2: So why are you bringing that up now?

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Speaker 1: Is it something that you recently rewatch and you've been

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Speaker 1: waiting because today is our Oscar show and we will

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Speaker 1: have our favorite annual guest on in a minute. But

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Speaker 1: are you bringing it up because you just watched.

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Speaker 4: It solid a month ago. I was sitting on it

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Speaker 4: because I was like, I gotta wait for the Oscars.

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Speaker 3: I need to hear Chad's opinion, but no one wants

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Speaker 3: to hear us talk movies except once a year, and

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Speaker 3: this is it.

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Speaker 4: So I've been sitting on it. I was like, is

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Speaker 4: Chad still like this movie?

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Speaker 3: Because to me, it was this heart warman and American story.

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Speaker 3: When you go back and watch like Man, late Aly

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Speaker 3: is early nineties such a weird time period where this

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Speaker 3: is just such a strange movie.

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Speaker 1: So it's funny you mentioned that because I did a

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Speaker 1: little Indiana double feature about six weeks or so ago,

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Speaker 1: and I did Hoosier's and I did Breaking Away and

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Speaker 1: both of the movies are are much slower than you

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Speaker 1: remember when you watch him the first time breaking away

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Speaker 1: to me. Still holds up brilliantly. It's so subtle, it's

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Speaker 1: so sweet. I love the steaks Hoosiers. I still think

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Speaker 1: holds up and I still love it. I did want

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Speaker 1: to use Hoosier's like the scene where he gets everybody to.

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Speaker 2: Clap with him in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: I had to give a presentation at ESPN and at

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Speaker 1: the end it like to the entire Digital group, not

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Speaker 1: just the group that I worked with, but everybody who

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Speaker 1: worked in digital, which is a massive operation.

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Speaker 2: And I took a big swing.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, at the end of it, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: show this scene and I'm going to build in my

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Speaker 1: press towards this scene and everybody clapping, And I ended

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Speaker 1: up getting everybody to clap.

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Speaker 2: But I will say, I will say, I.

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Speaker 1: Completely agree with you, Like this dude just beating the

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Speaker 1: school and getting the second chance after he's beating people up.

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Speaker 2: That wouldn't hold up today.

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Speaker 5: Completely No great, I can tell you.

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Speaker 3: And uh yeah, it's you know we're gonna we'll get

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Speaker 3: to ask you. But it's just funny going back and

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Speaker 3: watching old movies. That's always I'm always like, are these

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Speaker 3: gonna hold up? I don't know if you've ever seen

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Speaker 3: the movie Vision Quest. Yeah, movie I love.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe I didn't realize it was rated R.

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Speaker 3: I remember seeing that as a teenager. It must have

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Speaker 3: the parts obviously. Yeah, if you see the R rated version,

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Speaker 3: people very different movie Vision Quest R rated.

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Speaker 2: Than Vision Quest. For some reason.

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Speaker 1: It is all over my TikTok fit these days. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you're talking about the movies because we're continuing a

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Speaker 1: podcast tradition. The ninety eighth the awards are this Sunday

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Speaker 1: at the Dolby Theater in Hollywood, and we are joined

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Speaker 1: as always for this show. Very special friend of the show.

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Speaker 1: He's going to help us talk all things betting on

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Speaker 1: Hollywood's biggest night. I didn't know how much of an

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Speaker 1: insider and what a power player this guy was until

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Speaker 1: we had lunch slash brunch together in La a few

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Longtime manager at Mosaic, true powerhouse in.

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Speaker 2: The comedy community.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, he is an Oscar savant who can name

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Speaker 1: every nominee in every major category going back over fifty years.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Michael Aaskar.

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Speaker 5: I always love your introductions, and it was great to

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Speaker 5: see you in La about a month ago with our

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Speaker 5: dear friend Al Lob who I.

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Speaker 1: Work with, former podcast guest, Like I brought you guys

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Speaker 5: Way you did, in the way you did. No, it

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Speaker 5: was great to see you. And you know, I love

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Speaker 5: coming on here. I love talking about the Oscars and

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Speaker 5: this has turned out. I mean, you know, this is

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Speaker 5: a great year. I know everybody's constantly loving to like

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Speaker 5: studios are merging in this and that, but this is

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Speaker 5: definitively objectively, has been an amazing year for movies. Incredible story.

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Speaker 5: You know that you have two movies from the same

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Speaker 5: so different in many ways and similar in some ways.

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Speaker 5: And I was saying to somebody, I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: I go back and forth on liking the ten nominee

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Speaker 5: for Best Pictures because I'm such a I'm a traditionalist,

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Speaker 5: and I used to like the five nominees. But this

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Speaker 5: was a good year where the ten nominees kind of

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Speaker 5: made sense with the way they really created diversity with

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Speaker 5: the ten. But I could have named you five to

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Speaker 5: which is always the sign of it being a really

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Speaker 5: good movie year. So obviously everybody has their favorites, excuse

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Speaker 5: the pun. And you know that's why it's fun. And

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Speaker 5: you know, unclear how surprising is going to be. On

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Speaker 5: some surprises and again, you know, and Simon, I don't

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Speaker 5: want to burst your bubble. I think it's hard to

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Speaker 5: make money, like I know this is, you'll laugh. There's

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Speaker 5: more money in my mind to be made in the

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Speaker 5: because there's so many precursor awards and there's so much

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you make money on like Jesse Buckley,

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Speaker 5: she's obviously gonna win. I mean, you could make money

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Speaker 5: if you picked you know, you know Renata Renzvier, you

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Speaker 2: Not going to win.

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Speaker 5: Maybe her odds are better, but that is likely not

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Speaker 1: Simon, when we were in La when Laskar, Alan Lob

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Speaker 1: and I had lunch together, Laskar had so many questions

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Speaker 1: about you. He did not have any questions about Matt Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: but he had so many questions about you, how you

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Speaker 1: do what you do. He was he was honestly fascinated.

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Speaker 1: He was fascinated a way that you know Hollywood people,

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Speaker 2: So this was truly revelatory for me.

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Speaker 5: Well you know what it was, I said, you know

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Speaker 5: I know about sports gambling is from casino. When they're

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Speaker 5: talking about how Ace Rostein would know if like the

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Speaker 5: quarterback had been like laid the night before, you know,

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Speaker 5: how he's going to perform. I was like, does Simon

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Speaker 5: know that? And he does. He was just like Simon

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Speaker 5: knows everything. So there's all kinds of new and Chad,

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Speaker 5: you're selling yourself short, You've written several books, you're working

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Speaker 5: on a new book. I can't wait to read. You know,

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Speaker 5: obviously we're in an insane era. Of maybe gambling's ruining

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Speaker 5: the world. Maybe it's going to ruin an entire generation

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Speaker 5: not Jonathan Hate. You know, this is not this is

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Speaker 5: not my beef, but it's very gambling might be too

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Speaker 5: accessible to people. But that's I mean in my gambling

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Speaker 5: extent is an oscar pool in my living room, which

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Speaker 5: I'm very excited about Lascar.

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Speaker 1: Everything is betting, and right now I'm betting on the

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Speaker 1: quois for Michael Lasker Sure nineteen eighty two Film Year

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Speaker 5: Winner, the Best Actor in nineteen a two for the

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Speaker 5: film year. And so your audience knows when you talk

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Speaker 5: Best Actor was Ben Kingsley for Gandhi. Best Picture was Gandhi.

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Speaker 5: Best Director was written Richard Attenborough for Gandhi. Best Actress

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Speaker 1: Wow, I just want people to know that during the show,

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Speaker 1: I'll be rand. I know Simon has a lot of

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the first category best picture nominee. The favorite

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Speaker 1: is One Battle after Another, second is Sinners, Third, shortest

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Speaker 1: odds is Hamnet, followed by Marty Supreme, Bagonia, Frankenstein, sentimental Value,

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Speaker 1: between One Battle after Another and Sinners. Simon is a

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Speaker 1: vampire freak Laskar. If you don't mind, I would like Simon.

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Speaker 2: To give his very hot take on this particular category.

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Speaker 1: And Sinners is a vampire movie. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just start from the top. As a vampire movie,

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Speaker 4: I think that's why it is nomine.

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Speaker 3: Now as soon it's a fan of vampire movies, you know,

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Speaker 3: this doesn't hold a candle to Blade, which I think

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Speaker 4: That's much older.

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Speaker 3: Obviously a different movie, but like, to me, that's a

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Speaker 3: great vampire movie.

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Speaker 5: I'm monologuing and I don't mean to, but it was

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Speaker 5: a great year for movies, and I think, to answer

434
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Speaker 5: your question, Simon, the Academy gets different things from different

435
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Speaker 5: movies and that galvanizes them. And you know, would this

436
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Speaker 5: have happened for Ryan Coogler if it was his second movie. Maybe.

437
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Speaker 5: I think the fact that it's his fifth or sixth movie,

438
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Speaker 5: he's just now one of those people where when he

439
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Speaker 5: makes something it's special. I think that that happened for

440
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Speaker 5: Guillermo Speaking he made Blade two. Giarmo del Toro was

441
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Speaker 5: making all these amazing kind of genre films. He had

442
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Speaker 5: made Pans Labrith, which won Best International Film in two thousands,

443
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Speaker 5: I believe. But then when he made Shape of Water,

444
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Speaker 5: the Academy was like, oh, he's kind of growing up.

445
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Speaker 5: This is a more adult story, but it's with his

446
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Speaker 5: unique spin. Now, every time yourn Milatoro makes a movie,

447
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 5: they notice it, you know, they pay attention. Frankenstin's nominated

448
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Speaker 5: for a lot. It's going to win a couple below

449
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Speaker 5: the Line on Sunday for sure. And so I think

450
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Speaker 5: sometimes filmmakers they have to they grow into the people

451
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Speaker 5: they become and then the academy in the business takes

452
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Speaker 5: note and it elevates it.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, Lasker might think that he's on

454
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Speaker 1: the town because he keeps calling him Pta Pyl Thomas Anderson.

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Speaker 1: So those who aren't Hollywood insiders two things. One, I

456
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Speaker 1: think it's fascinating that the favorites to win the Best

457
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Speaker 1: Picture Oscar are both films that were tremendously commercially successful,

458
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Speaker 1: and if you can throw Marty Supreme in there too

459
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Speaker 1: as a long shot, but these are movies that had

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Speaker 1: big stars that I had big campaigns that became really.

461
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Speaker 2: Big box office successes.

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Speaker 1: And the usually that is to your point, both of

463
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Speaker 1: you a knock on them winning, and yet that is

464
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Speaker 1: going to be something that happens. Hamnet Fellas. I couldn't

465
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Speaker 1: watch it, and I don't mean that in a negative.

466
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Speaker 1: Jesse Buckley was amazing, but I at one point, you know,

467
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Speaker 1: everyone hopefully has seen it, but when the kid is dying,

468
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Speaker 1: it's so painful. I was under my covers, like I could.

469
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Speaker 1: I literally couldn't watch it. I was under my covers,

470
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Speaker 1: my eyes were closed, I was crying hysterically.

471
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Speaker 2: My wife had to leave the room. She's like, what

472
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Speaker 2: the fuck are we doing here? This is fucking terrible.

473
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Speaker 2: But it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a hard, hard watch, and I'm glad to

475
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Speaker 1: see some commercially enjoyable movies getting their shot. Laskar, Yes,

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Speaker 1: does one Battle after another win the Oscar?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think it will. I mean, you know it

478
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Speaker 5: might not, but I believe it will. I think what's

479
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Speaker 5: gonna happen is you know, there's only a couple of

480
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Speaker 5: movies and multiple oscars on Sunday, Sinners in one battle

481
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Speaker 5: will win the most. I think as of now, I

482
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Speaker 5: have one Battle winning six and Sinners winning four. I

483
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Speaker 5: think one Battle wins Picture director, adapted Screenplay, Supporting Actor

484
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Speaker 5: for Sean Penn, editing in cinematography. Those would be the six.

485
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Speaker 5: Then I think Sinners wins Best Actor, Michael B. Jordan's,

486
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Speaker 5: Best Original Screenplay, Ryan Coogler, best Casting, and Best Original Score.

487
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Speaker 5: Now that could change that could I mean, there's all

488
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Speaker 5: these like hinged categories that are very early in the night,

489
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Speaker 5: Like if all of a sudden, Sinners wins editing, Sinners

490
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Speaker 5: might be winning Best Picture, If all of a sudden

491
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Speaker 5: Sinners wins cinematography, maybe that's a suggest It's gonna do

492
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Speaker 5: more if all of a sudden, Delroy or win me

493
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Speaker 5: and supporting actress if one of them win, that might

494
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Speaker 5: tell you something. But I think because of this late

495
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Speaker 5: surge of Michael B. Jordan being the favorite to win

496
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Speaker 5: Best Actor and that category is still very up in

497
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Speaker 5: the air. But I think I look, I go into

498
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Speaker 5: this stuff, and I think you have to think about

499
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Speaker 5: what's the narrative the next day, and what is the

500
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Speaker 5: narrative in the voter's minds. And I've never left the

501
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Speaker 5: narrative of One Battle is winning picture and director Pta

502
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Speaker 5: is finally getting his director Oscar on top of getting

503
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Speaker 5: an Oscar for adapted screenplay, and that people are going

504
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Speaker 5: to feel like, because we're giving one Battle this, we

505
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Speaker 5: want to give Sinners that. And now we have this

506
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Speaker 5: great way to honor sinners, which is Michael B. Jordan,

507
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Speaker 5: who was amazing in that movie and completely worthy. So

508
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Speaker 5: that's where I think it starts to split. But also,

509
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Speaker 5: I mean, if we think Michael B's winning Best Actor,

510
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Speaker 5: then maybe sinners could surprise. I mean, there's been a

511
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Speaker 5: ton of splits in the twenty first century where one

512
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Speaker 5: movie wins picture, one movie wins director. I still think

513
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Speaker 5: just in talking to Academy voters, One Battle was like

514
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Speaker 5: really the movie of the year. And I think, to

515
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Speaker 5: Simon's point, what I have gleaned from people is that

516
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Speaker 5: there's still a feeling of, oh, but Sinners is just

517
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Speaker 5: a vampire movie. Sinners is like, that's not a Best

518
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Speaker 5: Picture winner. And with that said, it was nominated for

519
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Speaker 5: sixteen Oscars, who broke the record for the most nominations

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Speaker 5: of all time. So it's here, which means it can

521
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Speaker 5: easily win, and it's going to be one of those

522
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Speaker 5: two movies. But I still think One Battle is going

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Speaker 5: to win. I just think that Pta. I just think

524
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Speaker 5: it's his moment, and in a weird way, I mean

525
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Speaker 5: to the uninitiated listeners, he's been waiting for literally thirty years.

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Speaker 5: He was nominated for Best Original Screenplay for Bogie Nights

527
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Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety seven, and then he got more nominations

528
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Speaker 5: in two thousand and seven for their Early Blood, Best Director,

529
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Speaker 5: Best Adaptive Screenplay, and then he's not nominated for The

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Speaker 5: Master Excuse me, and that he's nominated for a director

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Speaker 5: a Phantom Thread. He's nominated for director and screenplay of

532
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Speaker 5: Liquorice Pizza. So he's been nominated a ton, he's been

533
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Speaker 5: here a lot. They love him also, you know, for

534
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Speaker 5: your listeners, there's lots of award shows that are not

535
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Speaker 5: on television. I was at the dga's that's the director's build.

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Speaker 5: These are not televised, but they're attended by everybody who's

537
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Speaker 5: been nominated. And he won that night. He spoke twice

538
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Speaker 5: because each non made director gives one speech and then

539
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Speaker 5: the winner gives another speech. And he has like he's

540
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Speaker 5: aced every award show because he's just been himself and

541
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Speaker 5: he's just been cool and humble and talking about art

542
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Speaker 5: and talking about all the great movies. And I think

543
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Speaker 5: he's just like I think people just like kind of

544
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Speaker 5: worship him. And I don't think he's going to be denied.

545
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Speaker 5: And Ryan Kugler, who's twenty years younger than PTA, is

546
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Speaker 5: going to have five to seven more chances to do this.

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Speaker 5: You know, I need it.

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Speaker 4: I needed that, Chad, because I have a lot of

549
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Speaker 4: money invested. That's what I was worried about. Sinners. It's

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Speaker 4: like what has happened.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe when I saw the odds supposed

552
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Speaker 3: to because I bet this a while ago. And I

553
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Speaker 3: know you ask how people bet this. I bet this

554
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Speaker 3: in parlays, so like I literally have this. I have

555
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Speaker 3: some of these bets attached to the Super Bowl. I

556
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Speaker 3: have something with Denver and from the AFC Championship Game.

557
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Speaker 5: So have you've done a parlay just for the Oscars

558
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Speaker 5: where it's like I'm picking these three categories. Have you

559
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Speaker 5: done that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Like I again, I I do it early to try

562
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Speaker 3: to get better odds.

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Speaker 4: To me though, I was right there with you.

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Speaker 3: I just saw one battle after another was just it

565
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Speaker 3: felt like it was having its moment, and that like

566
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Speaker 3: all lined up for that to win the Best Picture.

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Speaker 3: And you know, sinners as much as I'm talking about

568
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Speaker 3: about that the Best Picture, I do agree with you

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Speaker 3: that you know it's a toss up for best Actor.

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Speaker 4: And I did invest in Michael B.

571
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Speaker 3: Jordan at like two hundred and one because it was

572
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Speaker 3: a long shot at that time, because again, he played

573
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Speaker 3: two parts where it's like, okay, they might have give

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Speaker 3: it Best Picture because it's a vampire mean, but for

575
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Speaker 3: best Actor, he played most parts. And it feels like

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Speaker 3: by him not talking a lot, right, he's not given

577
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Speaker 3: his opinions on the ballet or the opera. He's kind

578
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Speaker 3: of been doing the right thing right going about his business.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're giving out a sneaky pick here.

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Speaker 3: People have best actor, you can still get him, you know,

581
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Speaker 3: you know plus one thousand, plus two thousand certain books.

582
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Speaker 3: So I like that play by you because most people

583
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Speaker 3: kind of assume and it's still, you know, going to

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Speaker 3: be Timothy Shallon May if anything, as the as the

585
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Speaker 3: runner up.

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Speaker 4: But you know, Michael B.

587
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Speaker 3: Jordan now minus one fifty, it's it's moving to him

588
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Speaker 3: being the favor now for best Actor.

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Speaker 4: I know, if you want to get the best actors.

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Speaker 5: I would tell you this, and again you know you

591
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: you're the professional gambler. And I don't know if this

592
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 5: makes sense. This is a category where maybe you could

593
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 5: make money by literally betting all five guys at different

594
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Speaker 5: like levels, because this is the one category.

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Speaker 3: He'll be Jordan now he's like minus one fifty. Kind

596
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: he's kind of the big favorite.

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Speaker 5: Right right right. I guess my point simply again, I

598
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Speaker 5: really look at it just from like the oscar pool

599
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Speaker 5: in my in my kitchen, is that this is the

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Speaker 5: one where literally I can make the argument for all

601
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Speaker 5: five guys winning. Like people loved. I thought it was

602
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 5: really brilliant. And people loved Ethan Hawk in Blue Moon,

603
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: and he's such a like he's another guy who's just

604
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 5: like done it right. People love him. He's this institution.

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Speaker 5: Leo could win, as the elder states when he's amazing

606
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Speaker 5: in that movie. We've covered Timmy and Michael B and

607
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Speaker 5: Wagner Mora. There's a lot of people out there, a

608
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Speaker 5: lot of smart people. Sean Fennessy. I don't know. I

609
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Speaker 5: didn't listen to them yet today, but he talked about

610
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Speaker 5: Wagner a lot, like about the Secret Agent. I mean

611
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 5: that's a winnable performance too, you know. I mean, look,

612
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 5: if you've been nominated, you can win. And my point

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Speaker 5: is that's the one category on Sunday where like I

614
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Speaker 5: will not be surprised by anybody they say, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think it will be Michael B. And if it's

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Speaker 5: not Michael B, I think it'll be Timmy. People love

617
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Speaker 5: Timmy in that movie. The ballet stuff came after the

618
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Speaker 5: voting window closed. I think the bigger thing on Timmy,

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Speaker 5: which a lot of people have covered, is just he's

620
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Speaker 5: such a phenom of an actor that there's still this

621
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Speaker 5: little bit of like, let's make him wait a little

622
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Speaker 5: bit more. And it's interesting because you know, Michael B

623
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Speaker 5: came up as a kid actor, as did Timmy ten

624
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 5: years as did Leo. Yes, Michael B is thirty nine.

625
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 5: He's born in eighty seven, and but I think that

626
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 5: with Timmy, it's like he's already been nominated for three Oscars.

627
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 5: He's thirty years old. I mean he's on a rate

628
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Speaker 5: like a Leo or Robert duvall or you know, Kate Blanchette,

629
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Speaker 5: like he's gonna be nominated seven, eight, nine times. And

630
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Speaker 5: I hope Michael Be's nominated a million more times. But

631
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Speaker 5: this is his first nomination at thirty nine, and so

632
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Speaker 5: I think there's a feeling of like we watched this

633
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Speaker 5: guy grow up, We love him. He did play two

634
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Speaker 5: parts in the movie. I can't think back, to be honest,

635
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Speaker 5: of when someone who played two parts did win, though

636
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Speaker 5: Nicholas Cage played two parts in Adaptation did not win

637
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Speaker 5: in two thousand and two. That was Adrian Brodie's first

638
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: Oscar for the Pianist. So I think that's not It

639
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: doesn't mean he'll win, but it certainly helps him because

640
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Speaker 5: it does create a higher level of difficulty that he

641
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Speaker 5: pulled off. But I think he'll win. I think there's

642
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Speaker 5: a feeling again. My point is he'll win because of

643
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Speaker 5: the wave of sinners, because I think people are looking

644
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Speaker 5: at their ballot and you're basically voting two tickets. You're

645
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Speaker 5: figuring out what's my one battle ticket, what's my sinner's ticket. Now,

646
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Speaker 5: there will be ballots where someone's gonna do all one

647
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 5: battle and they're also gonna give it to Tiana, and

648
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 5: they're gonna give it to Leo, and on and on on.

649
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 5: They're gonna give the score to Johnny Greenwood. And then

650
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 5: there's gonna be a sinners one ticket, one ticket where

651
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Speaker 5: you know, again the opposite, and that'll pick up six, seven,

652
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 5: eight nine oscars. There's also a version where how about

653
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: this one battle in centers each win five oscars. One

654
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: battle wins director, supporting actor, adapted screenplay, cinematography and editing.

655
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 5: That's its five sinners, wins actor, casting, original score, actor casting,

656
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 5: original score, original screenplay, and picture that could happen that

657
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: can easily happen, and out of each win five. And

658
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 5: there's also a lot of years where a movie that

659
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 5: wins the Best Picture doesn't win that many Oscars. There's

660
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Speaker 5: other movies that win more Oscars.

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Speaker 2: I have a question about Michael B.

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Speaker 1: Jordan.

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Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of Michael B.

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Speaker 4: Jordan.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that he is now the favorite to

666
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: win for Best Actor. I thought he was phenomenal in

667
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: the movie. I have a sentimental place in my heart

668
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: for him because of Friday Night Lights, and I love

669
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Speaker 1: that the two people who are the biggest stars are

670
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: him from Friday Night Lights. Him and Jesse Plemons are

671
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: the ones who every year are getting accolades for their movies.

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: I didn't love Marty Supreme. I just didn't think it

673
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: was that good of a movie. I thought it was

674
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 1: self indulgent. I thought it was too long. I thought

675
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: that it was one note. Everything was just how was

676
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: this guy and this guy's bombastic ego going to get

677
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: him in trouble? This time the same thing, over and

678
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: over and over. It was just chaos upon chaos upon

679
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: chaos because this guy couldn't get out of his own way.

680
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: And it should have been a movie I love like

681
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: I am a sucker for that period of the forties

682
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: and fifties in New York Jews. There's gambling like all

683
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: that stuff. I should have fucking loved and I thought

684
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: the movie.

685
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Was just kind of annoying.

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00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 5: Look, I mean I liked the movie. I liked it

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Speaker 5: a lot. I did not love it. The movie hinges

688
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 5: on two big, big moments at the end of the

689
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 5: movie that I won't spoil that didn't entirely work for me.

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00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: For somebody spoil literally everything else last year.

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: You don't want to spoil Marty Supreme.

693
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Speaker 5: Well, you know what, You're right because and the reason

694
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 5: I spoiled them. I mean, one Battle's made two undred million,

695
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 5: you know, Sinners I think is in the three hundreds

696
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 5: and Marty made like one fifty. So yes, there's two

697
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 5: big moments at the end of Marty Supreme. One when

698
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 5: he finally wins the ping pong match but it's just exhibition,

699
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 5: and one when he sees his child for the first time.

700
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 5: And those moments for me, I liked. But I've talked

701
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 5: to people like, you know, it's kind of like you

702
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 5: know when Trump lies about like this man came up

703
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 5: to me and was weeping because he has, you know,

704
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 5: a better job now. Like it's like I was weeping

705
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 5: at the end of Marty Supreme when he saw his kid,

706
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 5: you know, and I just didn't feel that, and and

707
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 5: I love my kids, and so I like the movie.

708
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 5: It's definitely the third time the dog showed up. I

709
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 5: was like, I've had enough of the Dog. Yeah, I

710
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: think that that the Safties and this was just only

711
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 5: made by Josh Saftie. They make a very special kind

712
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 5: of only only a movie they know how to make.

713
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Speaker 5: And it's very fascinating how they populated with people that

714
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 5: they've met New York and interesting people like Kevin O'Leary

715
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 5: to you know, to play the guy, the villain. And

716
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 5: so I liked so much of it, but I didn't

717
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 5: love the whole of it, which I think is what

718
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 5: you're getting at. And look, it had a lot to say,

719
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 5: you're right. I mean, it was very much a lot

720
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 5: of people that were like, we don't get it. It was

721
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 5: it was about what it meant to be a Jew

722
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 5: post war and what the struggle was. But seeing through

723
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Speaker 5: the idea of Ping Pong Halls, I.

724
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Speaker 1: Didn't get that as a as a Jew who is

725
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: culturally connected to every era, whose in laws were born

726
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: in the thirties, like not feeling it, not feeling it.

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00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 5: You know what someone told me? You know what somebody

728
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 5: told me recently, and I agree. The thirty second sequence

729
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: of the other ping pong player telling the story of

730
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 5: being in the concentration camp and finding the bees and

731
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 5: the honey and putting the honey on his body for

732
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 5: everybody to lick off his body. People were like, that's

733
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 5: the movie I want to see. Where was that?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 5: There was something so interesting in that thirty seconds of

736
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Speaker 5: that anecdote. And look, I think, and this also might

737
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 5: be why to me doesn't win? I thought, to me

738
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 5: towards the end, I was getting annoyed by the character.

739
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 5: Certainly not Tommy as an actor. He's a genius actor,

740
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 5: but you know, it's a tough character. He's a tough guy.

741
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: And that now, to people who love the movie, that

742
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 5: is the point, is that the whole point of the

743
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 5: movie is that he's on this trajectory where he's treating

744
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 5: everybody like fucking dog shit and then realizes none of

745
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: them meant anything. Beau is now I'm a dad, And

746
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: for some people that really really landed.

747
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Speaker 1: That's, by the way, that's sacarine sentimental.

748
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 5: I would not call that movie saccharin.

749
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Speaker 1: That theory is sacarine sentimental bullshit. That movie was a

750
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: one note. This guy's bombastic and annoying and can't get

751
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: out of his own way. And I didn't get anything

752
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: from him being a changed person by having a kid. Because,

753
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: by the way, just about everybody feels like their life

754
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: changes when they have a kid, and then you go

755
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Speaker 5: It's a good point. I mean, as some of those

757
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
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Speaker 2: And you're but it's like, I just didn't buy it.

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Speaker 2: We got to do a.

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Speaker 2: I watched If I have legs, I'd kick you.

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Speaker 1: I thought Rose Byrne through the first ninety minutes of

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Speaker 1: If I'm Rose Byrne, I look at this and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I did the same thing Jesse Buckley did. I was

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Speaker 1: a struggling mom with a challenging life and a absent husband

803
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: in a terrible situation. Why are I getting more consideration?

804
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: Why is Jesse Buckley getting all the attention?

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Speaker 5: I think, look, Rose, there is no doubt in Simon.

806
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can make money off it.

807
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 5: If you want to pick a spoiler there, it is

808
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 5: Rose Byrne for sure, and then it'd be Kate Hudson,

809
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 5: who I thought was incredible in Song Sung Blue. I

810
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 5: think there's just some I think, even though it's both

811
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 5: of their first nominations, at the end of the day,

812
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 5: the Jesse's performance in that movie feels more Weighty. Obviously

813
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: got a lot of nominations on top of just her performance.

814
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 5: I think there's something about it being about Shakespeare, and

815
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 5: there's just something about it that it's even more like

816
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 5: I guess here's why I look at it. Jesse's been

817
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 5: nominated once already for the Maggie Gillan Hall film a

818
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 5: couple years ago, and I think that Jesse is on

819
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 5: this trajectory inside Hollywood have like, we've been watching her

820
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 5: for ten years now, we think she's a genius, and

821
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 5: here we have a movie where our proof was proven

822
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 5: that she is a genius. I think the Rose narrative

823
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 5: is we have been obsessed with her for you know,

824
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: twenty years now, really since Damages and then Bride'smaids. When

825
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 5: she's in Bridesmaids, you're like, oh wow, Like she can

826
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 5: be really funny. She has a whole other side to her.

827
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Speaker 5: But I think that narrative is we've loved you forever

828
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Speaker 5: and now you're incredible in this movie, and the win

829
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 5: is we nominate you to show you that we think

830
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 5: you've arrived to this next level. And so I think

831
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Speaker 5: I think that is how people square some of these things.

832
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 5: Rose was unbelievable in that movie, and I thought that

833
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 5: movie was really good. Yes, it was hard to watch.

834
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 5: I'm not sure i'd watch it a second time, but

835
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 5: it was an incredible portrait of somebody struggling being a

836
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: parent and having no help and not knowing how to

837
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 5: like navigate the world. And so, but I think those

838
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 5: are the narratives you have to think about. It's like

839
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 5: for Jesse, it's a little bit of a like it's

840
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 5: it isn't it's time of like we've been watching you

841
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 5: and like we're not gonna turn Like the woman literally

842
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 5: you watch her face process losing a child in the

843
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Speaker 5: middle of the movie.

844
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Speaker 2: Well I didn't because my face was covered, but I've

845
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: heard it was amazing.

846
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Speaker 5: Here's my here's my hot take on Hamnet, which I

847
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 5: thought was great, is that it's it's horrifically sad. It's

848
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 5: the worst thing could ever happen. But in the movie,

849
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: like five characters are like, I've lost three kids already.

850
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, because everyone's losing kids because

851
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 5: of the plague. You know what I mean, Like that

852
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: people are losing kids when people lose socks today and so,

853
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 5: but no, it's horrific, And you know then what's cool.

854
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 5: What you did not see is the whole point of

855
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 5: the movie is how art can heal us? And William

856
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 5: Shakespeare didn't quite know how to say I'm a fuck

857
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: boy and I wasn't there for you and I'm sorry,

858
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 5: and instead he said he was sorry through the play

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00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: and that was a really beautiful device. And the last

860
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Speaker 5: third of the movie when the play happens, is really

861
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 5: really incredible. I mean, Chloe is an incredible director, absolutely amazing,

862
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 5: and very worthy of her second nominations. She already won

863
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: for Nomad Land in twenty twenty.

864
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the end of the movie was great, and it

865
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: was uplifting and it did bring humor and light and

866
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: you could see them smiling and you.

867
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Speaker 2: Did feel a little bit better.

868
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: Two things I learned about Jesse Buckley while incessantly watching

869
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: TikTok instead of actually writing the book that you mentioned

870
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: earlier on the show.

871
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: Sure One, she's an incredible singer.

872
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: Like there's all these clips of her doing Shinead O'Connor

873
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: songs on RTE, the Irish television channel in Ireland, and

874
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Speaker 1: she's unbelievable.

875
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Speaker 2: Number one.

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Speaker 1: Number Two, that scene where the kid dies and she

877
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Speaker 1: just she just lets it go full bike scream that

878
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Speaker 1: honestly makes you want to disappear into a dark, dark hole.

879
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: She did that multiple.

880
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: Times, and that was the third take I think that

881
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: she did, and it wasn't what she had done previously,

882
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: and she just sort of unscripted, let it go different

883
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Speaker 1: than how they had rehearsed it and thought about it,

884
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Speaker 1: and that's the one that they kept.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that. That's amazing. The other thing too,

886
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Speaker 5: I know she just had a baby. I don't so

887
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Speaker 5: I don't know if this is her first child. So

888
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 5: interesting if she did not even have a kid once

889
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 5: she shot the movie, you know, yeah, she was charactors.

890
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: You know, that's you know, you're just you know, you

891
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Speaker 5: don't have to you know, have been in a concentration

892
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Speaker 5: camp to be in Schindler's list to play, you know

893
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 5: what I mean. Like, so, yeah, she's great. I mean,

894
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Speaker 5: I she locked.

895
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Speaker 3: I feel you're not even you're beat her on the

896
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Speaker 3: bush or she's a lock to win.

897
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Speaker 5: There's this movie she was in out of Ireland years

898
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Speaker 5: ago where she plays an Irish woman who wants to

899
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Speaker 5: be a country singer and she has addiction problems. It's

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Speaker 5: a really really good movie. I think it's called wild Rose.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of naming esoteric movies and parts before we get

902
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Speaker 1: the best Actress pop quiz, We're going into Supporting actress Okay.

903
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Speaker 1: Film Year nineteen ninety four, give me winner okay, and

904
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Speaker 1: the nominees for Best Supporting Actress okay.

905
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: The winner is Diane Weize for Boltiver Broadway. Also nominated

906
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 5: as Jennifer Tilly for Boltim Broadway. Also nominated is in

907
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 5: with Thurman for Pulp Fiction. Also nominated as Rosemary Harris

908
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: for Tom and viv And then the fifth nominee is

909
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 5: Helen Mirren, who was her first nomination for The Maddest

910
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: King George, And that same year Forrest Gump wins Best Picture,

911
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 5: Zamechas wins. Director Tom Hanks wins his second Oscar in

912
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 5: a Row for Forrest Gump. Jessica Lang wins Best Actress

913
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 5: for Blue Sky, a very little scene film that barely

914
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: got released. I'll come back to that in a second,

915
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: and then Supporting actress Martin Landau ed Wood. Adapted screenplay

916
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: is Eric Roth for Forrest Gump. An original screenplay is

917
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: Tarantina on Roger Avery for Pulp Fiction and on the

918
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: Blue Sky of it All. Yeah, so that movie was

919
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 5: like barely getting released and the Academy basically just decided

920
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 5: even though Jessica Lange had won Supporting Actress for Tutsi

921
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty two, they were like, Jessica Lange doesn't

922
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Speaker 5: have a Best Actress Oscar. It's time for her to

923
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 5: have that, and she and she won that Oscar. I've

924
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 5: actually never even seen the movie. I'm sure it's good.

925
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Speaker 5: She plays like a military wife who's having like a breakdown.

926
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Speaker 5: It's heard Tommy Lee Jones. But that movie came out

927
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Speaker 5: of nowhere, and then she was just kind of like

928
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Speaker 5: anointed that year.

929
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Speaker 1: So that by the way, producer one of the producers

930
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Speaker 1: of Pulp Fiction.

931
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Speaker 5: Uh huh, was at the next table at our breakfast.

932
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Speaker 2: Lord lawn Spender, who we saw at lunch that day.

933
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Speaker 2: It was a star.

934
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Speaker 5: Study, a star study star.

935
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Speaker 2: But the reason I.

936
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Speaker 1: Wanted to talk about Best Actress Best Supporting Actress is

937
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Speaker 1: because that always tends to be a category where, like

938
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Speaker 1: you just noted with Jessica Lang, it is like a

939
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: front runner can often be someone from a movie that

940
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Speaker 1: is completely out there that not a lot of people see.

941
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Speaker 2: It feels like the category where the voters.

942
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Speaker 1: Want to reward someone who's been around forever and they

943
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Speaker 1: want to give them this opportunity and like that's a

944
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Speaker 1: spot where the movie might not have been seen by

945
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. This year's favorite is Amy Madigan

946
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Speaker 1: in a movie that not a lot of people have seen,

947
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: a movie called Weapons. This also happens to be I

948
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Speaker 1: think of the categories, we're talking about the absolute closest

949
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: race because it's Tiana Taylor with one battle. Is there

950
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: a race to be had here?

951
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Speaker 5: There are definitely definitely is. And by the way, and

952
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 5: not to not to ever you know, contradict you. I mean,

953
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 5: the movie made a lot of money, so like the

954
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 5: public saw Weapons. But I think what you're getting at

955
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 5: and I think this is speaks to the bigger point

956
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 5: of this category is that the supporting Actor and Actress

957
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 5: categories are where the or where the oscars can get

958
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 5: like a little funky something. Yes, that's really what I mean,

959
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: and get a little weird. So like Risa Tome nineteen

960
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 5: ninety two for my cousin Benny right like and she

961
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 5: beat out for other women that were all in like

962
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: period pieces and more dramatic stuff. Would be Goldberg for

963
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 5: Ghost in nineteen ninety Although Ghost was nominated for Best

964
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 5: Picture and did win Best Original Screenplay, for Bruce Jrol Rubin.

965
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: But you know, there's a lot of examples where you know,

966
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 5: even Heath Ledger winning posterumously in two thousand and eight

967
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 5: for The Dark Night, Like this is where you can

968
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 5: kind of like have a little more fun. And so

969
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: you know what I did. I think the race is

970
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 5: Teana versus Amy. I think I would bet Amy. I

971
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 5: think what's interesting about Amy is she was nominated like

972
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 5: forty years ago, but you know, she's kind of it's

973
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 5: like no one knows who she is, but you do

974
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 5: know who she is because she's Kevin Costner's wife in

975
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 5: Field of Dreams. And if you're like, if you have

976
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 5: a heartbeat, you've seen that movie, She's like, oh yeah,

977
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 5: she's the great wife in that movie. She's married Dad Harris.

978
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 5: I think she's gonna win for a couple of reasons. One,

979
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 5: the supporting the supporting actor races are sometimes where they

980
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 5: where they give it to a villain, which also is

981
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 5: gonna help Sean Penn, who I think is gonna win,

982
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 5: and she's the villain of that movie, you know, by

983
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 5: a long stretch. But also I thought was interesting is

984
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 5: that like every single person who went to that movie

985
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 5: did not know. Not only did not know Amy Madigan

986
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 5: was in the movie, but when she enters the movie,

987
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 5: did not even know that was Amy Madigan. You're watching

988
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 5: the movie and you're like, I've seen every movie ever.

989
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, is that Amy Madigan? Who

990
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 5: is this weird, clownish woman who might be like the devil?

991
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 5: And then you realize that it is Amy Madigan And

992
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 5: it is such a fearless performance and it's so funny.

993
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 5: I mean that last time mites that movie, I was

994
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 5: so scared on my mind and I was laughing uncontrollably

995
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 5: because it's so fucking crazy how it ends, and she's

996
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 5: given really good speeches. She's quasi Hollywood royalty. You know

997
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 5: this related marriage with Ed Harris. I think she's gonna

998
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 5: pull it off, Tiana, though, could pull it off too, Tiana.

999
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 5: It's a little reminiscent of Marshaw Ali winning in twenty

1000
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 5: sixteen for Moonlight, where he's only in the first act

1001
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 5: of the movie and then you kind of know offscreen

1002
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 5: that his character had been killed because he was a

1003
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 5: drug dealer, and you're led to believe that he was

1004
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 5: probably killed due to what he did for a living.

1005
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: But he kind of hovers over the movie. This is

1006
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 5: a similar performance where she's so unbelievable in that first

1007
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 5: act and then she obviously does disappear until a little

1008
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: bit of a voiceover in the final scene of the movie,

1009
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 5: and she's amazing in it. I think what the Academy

1010
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 5: might have to think about here, back to the whole

1011
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 5: kind of like making people wait versus not is like

1012
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: maybe Madigan's in her seventies, Like she's probably not getting

1013
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 5: nominated again. Who knows. Tianna was a musician, is still

1014
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 5: a musician who now turns out is a brilliant actor

1015
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 5: and like has a lot in front of her. But

1016
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 5: I talked to a lot of people who voted for Tiana,

1017
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 5: so it's it's gonna be one of those two for sure.

1018
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 5: It's a great race. I would lean towards Amy.

1019
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: Though, God she was so good in a few of

1020
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: the dreams. Simon, do you feel prepped and ready? Do

1021
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: you feel like we're gonna win some money?

1022
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: I do? I do.

1023
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: Do we have any pop.

1024
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: Quizzes that you want to give Laskar before we get

1025
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: out of here? I do not pop quiz Laskar nineteen No.

1026
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two film New Year.

1027
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: Okay, it's an easy one.

1028
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 5: Okay, it's an easy one.

1029
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Best Picture, Best Picture nominees.

1030
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: Okay, two thousand and two, the Best Picture winner is

1031
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 5: Chicago and the other nominees this one, there's only five nominees.

1032
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: It's Chicago wins, and it's The Pianist, It's Gangs of

1033
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 5: New York, it's The Hours, and it's Lord of the Rings,

1034
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 5: the Two Towers. It was the second Lord of the

1035
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 5: Rings movie. Then in Best Director, that's when Roman Polanski,

1036
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 5: who could not be there because he can't come to America,

1037
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 5: he upsets he wins Best Director. That was a split year,

1038
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 5: so he wins director for The Pianist, but Chicago wins

1039
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 5: Best Picture. Best Actress was Nicole Kidman for The Hours.

1040
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 5: Best Actor was Adrian Brody, which was also a surprise

1041
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 5: that not that that category was so loaded. It was

1042
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 5: Adrian Brody for The Pianist. It was Nicholas Cage for

1043
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 5: adaptation where he played two characters, Simon. It was Jack

1044
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 5: Nicholson for About Schmid, it was Michael Kine for The

1045
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 5: Quiet American, and it was d'on day Lewis for Gangs

1046
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 5: in New York. Supporting actor was Christopher Cooper for adaptation,

1047
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 5: Great Great Mood, Great won, he won, he won, and

1048
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 5: then supporting actress was in two thousand and two supporting actress.

1049
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 5: One of my blanking was, of course Captain Dada Johns

1050
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 5: for Chicago, and adaptive screenplay was Ronald Harwood for The Pianist,

1051
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 5: and original screenplay was talked to her a brilliant It's

1052
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 5: a brilliant movie by Pedro Modovar. He wanted with his brother,

1053
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 5: incredible movie about a man who's a nurse who falls

1054
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 5: in love with a woman who's in a coma. It's

1055
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 5: about their relationship. So those are the main winners of

1056
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 5: that year. So that was two thousand and two.

1057
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: You've done it, Laskar, You've proven, You've proven you still

1058
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: got it. Michael Laskar, supreme Hollywood insider.

1059
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: Knows it all.

1060
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on Sharper Square making us all smarter

1061
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: about the ninety eighth Oscars coming up next week. We've

1062
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: got some March Madness on Tuesday. Part two of our

1063
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: NFL win Totals on Thursday. This has been Sharper Square,

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Speaker 2: Love you. You should save your breath and I'm not getting paid.

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Speaker 5: You'll never be happy. You will never be happy.

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Speaker 2: All right, you do it.