Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. I'll that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy
Speaker 1: for dake Edo state is that woo woom.
Speaker 2: And and tie Hey everybody, and welcome to the solid verbal.
Speaker 1: Tie is alive, I swear, but only barely. I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: He had a root canal and is tending to his
Speaker 2: no longer infected pulp chamber.
Speaker 1: I obviously had to look this up.
Speaker 2: He's having some let's call it mouth drama, a phrase
Speaker 2: I don't feel fully comfortable saying on a family show,
Speaker 2: but he wanted me to tell you. He does have
Speaker 2: a high pain threshold, and points out that he's dislocated
Speaker 2: multiple joints, which sounds like his version of I drive
Speaker 2: a Dodge Stratus, But his dentists he's not a fan.
Speaker 2: He may be Baraka from Mortal kom so Ty is
Speaker 2: tending to his instrument. So we I guess I press
Speaker 2: on with some conference. We're calling them autopsies. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: going to sort of look at the body from twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen and figure out what exactly went wrong or rights.
Speaker 2: As we move forward in the calendar year. By the way,
Speaker 2: speaking of autopsies, I don't really get to do this
Speaker 2: during the season, and since this is not a super
Speaker 2: pressing episode and I don't get to recommend things a
Speaker 2: lot other than food, Narcos Mexico, really good, Crazy Wild,
Speaker 2: I recommend strong recommendation. So this is all to say,
Speaker 2: as you know from the title of the show, we
Speaker 2: have CBS Sports, is Chip Patterson to day on the
Speaker 2: show to look at the twenty eighteen ACC season. That's
Speaker 2: very difficult for me to say twenty eighteen ACC season
Speaker 2: and beyond remember that's we're talking about America's Championship Conference
Speaker 2: and figure out what it all means, at least as
Speaker 2: of today. So here's a I don't know, here's a
Speaker 2: little Nintendo sound I like and roth all right, and
Speaker 2: on the line provided technology has held up, is Chip
Speaker 2: Chip Patterson CBS Sports House life, are are things in
Speaker 2: a chill way with you?
Speaker 1: After?
Speaker 2: I mean, you are living in Championship ACC country? So
Speaker 2: is everything good?
Speaker 3: They the college basketball writers at CBS Sports are my friends,
Speaker 3: my co workers. There's this really fun, awkward period where
Speaker 3: they say, like, hey man, you know before you come
Speaker 3: over to college basketball, like take a break, you know,
Speaker 3: take some time. But then as we get towards the
Speaker 3: end of January, I start getting the questions like, so
Speaker 3: when are you going to start pick stiffs like it,
Speaker 3: cause it's getting really busy over here and we can
Speaker 3: really use some extra manpower. So what I've been doing
Speaker 3: is I've been basically I do give myself a week
Speaker 3: and then I start just going all in on research
Speaker 3: and playing cat so that when I do jump over
Speaker 3: to the college basketball side of things, usually by the
Speaker 3: first of February, I'm there that I'm just I'm all
Speaker 3: locked in with my names, my storylines, all that good stuff,
Speaker 3: and I don't have to go into every single thought
Speaker 3: with multiple tabs open, having to double check myself.
Speaker 1: It'll be a lot more fluid at that point. I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: So I have honestly no idea what's going on on
Speaker 2: a day to day level with college basketball. And I
Speaker 2: assume if people are listening to this they're college football fans.
Speaker 1: Any like, Duke is good? Yes, it's good.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would say that in terms of crossover with
Speaker 3: your audience, I have enjoyed over the last two seasons
Speaker 3: the SEC really getting some good basketball teams right now,
Speaker 3: Mississippi State has.
Speaker 1: A good basketball team right now.
Speaker 3: Ole Miss with Kermit Davis as the head coach, has
Speaker 3: been one of my favorite storylines of the season. Okay,
Speaker 3: Tennessee might be the best team in the country, like
Speaker 3: for real, Tennessee might win the national championship in basketball.
Speaker 2: I'm running all of this down. This is all going
Speaker 2: in my field notes. So what we're doing today though,
Speaker 2: aside from this, yeah, that's yeah, she said SEC basketball. Ye,
Speaker 2: Duke and North Carolina are still awesome, and.
Speaker 3: She State's been a pleasant surprise top twenty five team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good stuff. I like that NC State America's
Speaker 2: pleasant surprise.
Speaker 1: That's do you want to start with them? Let's start
Speaker 1: with m C State.
Speaker 2: Let's do it otherwise I'm going to have you pick
Speaker 2: a number, and I have associated questions with numbers, but
Speaker 2: let's start with m C State because that is you're
Speaker 2: you're still in Raleigh. I assume, yes, you're still in
Speaker 2: Wilbrinson Country. Sorry the we pack.
Speaker 1: Can you call it whatever you want.
Speaker 3: But one of us was actually born at Rex Hospital
Speaker 3: in ra Oh. The other one just sort of joined
Speaker 3: the Raleigh community during his time at MC State.
Speaker 2: I enjoy that We're not, what three minutes into this
Speaker 2: and you're already pulling Raleigh rank. That's the most ac
Speaker 2: This is why if you're going to book an acc
Speaker 2: ish guest, consider Chip Patterson. That's my recommendation. Let's yeah,
Speaker 2: wolf Pack, wolf Pack. They had a very end State year.
Speaker 2: They were decent. Only one real head scratcher of a loss,
Speaker 2: which was losing to Wake in their backup quarterback, but
Speaker 2: sort of cemented that they're for sure competitive but definitely
Speaker 2: not breaking through type of year. They now hire I
Speaker 2: think what an outside defensive coordinator and Tony Gibson, and
Speaker 2: they promote coordinators from the inside after they lose Eli Drinkuitz.
Speaker 2: Is their hope, this is what I ask you, as
Speaker 2: mister Raleigh. Is their hope to get to winning all
Speaker 2: of their winnable games.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, I think that right now the program itself
Speaker 3: is in a position where they've done a good enough
Speaker 3: job on the recruiting trail, They've done a good enough
Speaker 3: job with development and being able to sustain some of
Speaker 3: these losses. You know, like Matt Canada at one time
Speaker 3: was an NC State offensive coordinator. I think losing Eli
Speaker 3: Drinkuitz at this time to Appalachian State was a right place,
Speaker 3: right time thing for Drinkuits, and I think that there
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of pan And whether that's confidence and
Speaker 3: everything else you have, or whether that says something about
Speaker 3: drink Witz behind the scene, but I just didn't sense
Speaker 3: a lot of panic at the situation of having all
Speaker 3: this staff turnover. And I think they got better with
Speaker 3: Tony Gibson, and I think that truly like this season
Speaker 3: to me, honestly, this season, to me, arriving at nine
Speaker 3: wins was exceeding the expectations going into the year. And
Speaker 3: when you go from losing a Bradley Chubb, heart and
Speaker 3: soul your team, you know, the defensive line that was
Speaker 3: all going pro losing those players, but then having other
Speaker 3: ones ready to step up, and like a guy like
Speaker 3: Jermaine Pratt, I thought it had had a fantastic season
Speaker 3: and nobody thought that he was going to be that
Speaker 3: kind of player, at least among the rest of the
Speaker 3: ACC And I just that's I think that's a good
Speaker 3: sign for Dave Dorn.
Speaker 1: It just shows that he's he's got this.
Speaker 3: Thing moving to the point where you can every like
Speaker 3: winning the winnable games Forrenzis State means that every single
Speaker 3: year they're winning between seven and eight, and I think
Speaker 3: the NC State can do that.
Speaker 2: Is it mean spirited to call Dave Dorin eight foreign?
Speaker 2: Eight and four eight foreign? I just and I don't
Speaker 2: think it is, but I just realized it sounded very
Speaker 2: similar to his actual name.
Speaker 1: Have you gotten that one started? Is that going to
Speaker 1: be on a T shirt?
Speaker 2: I texted Tie that not an hour and a half ago,
Speaker 2: as I was reviewing everything I wanted to review ahead
Speaker 2: of this show, and I feel like eight foreign is
Speaker 2: not the worst thing ever the for all the.
Speaker 3: Fun that we have, isn't it? Jeff Fisher was seven
Speaker 3: and nine.
Speaker 2: Jeff Fisher was seven and nine, and then we had
Speaker 2: seven win Steve for Steve Washington, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: seven win Steve probably a compliment to a dassio a.
Speaker 3: Probably probably eight furign is very That is a very
Speaker 3: very very very good nickname that should be a T
Speaker 3: shirts trademark and might become a thing. But it's true,
Speaker 3: like that is a compliment to say that we believe
Speaker 3: your program is healthy enough, then no matter what happens
Speaker 3: from a personnel standpoint, from a staff standpoint, we are
Speaker 3: expecting you to win all your non conference games and
Speaker 3: finish five hundred and ACC play And that's exactly what
Speaker 3: I expect.
Speaker 1: Depenc State. I like it.
Speaker 2: Okay, pick a number between one and fourteen. My teams
Speaker 2: are at random, and so you will just you will
Speaker 2: happen upon like in your head, you should be hearing
Speaker 2: at home.
Speaker 1: Ratatatata ta ta ta ta ta, and then give me
Speaker 1: a number three. Three.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to Hey, we're staying in state. We're
Speaker 2: going to North Carolina. I hate to belabor the they
Speaker 2: were more competitive than their record suggests points, but they
Speaker 2: kind of were. But that's a two to nine record,
Speaker 2: which was not that hard. Now Mac Brown is back,
Speaker 2: this is still a program three I believe, seasons removed
Speaker 2: from the ACC title game. So in your mind, what
Speaker 2: does a realistic best case year one slash to North
Speaker 2: Carolina program look like in a once again and probably
Speaker 2: throughout time winnable Division six.
Speaker 1: And six oh year one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's I mean, there are some personnel deficiencies that
Speaker 3: are only going to be fixed on the recruiting trail,
Speaker 3: and I think that's where Mac Brown was probably a
Speaker 3: little bit of a seller.
Speaker 1: But you're right, this team beat ACC.
Speaker 3: Coastal Division champ in Pittsburgh, it went to overtime at
Speaker 3: Syracuse in the Carrier Dome, and it went to overtime
Speaker 3: against NC State. What I have diagnosed for North Carolina
Speaker 3: at least at this point now I'll continue to learn
Speaker 3: and probably change my opinion slightly, but I think that
Speaker 3: there was a sad acceptance that the team was not
Speaker 3: and would not be good, very very early in the season.
Speaker 3: And I think that when that happens all throughout the
Speaker 3: fan base, especially at a place like Chapel Hill, which
Speaker 3: is very like all encompassing and inundated, and I think
Speaker 3: that those feeling that can that can seep into.
Speaker 1: A team a little bit.
Speaker 3: And it might take maybe Mack Brown as the you know,
Speaker 3: former coach, master motivator, slick talker, politician, maybe he's able
Speaker 3: to like talk all that negative energy out of there.
Speaker 1: But I think that that is.
Speaker 3: The reason why this team was better than its record,
Speaker 3: because there was just that intangible negative. And I think
Speaker 3: that that intangible negative is ultimately why North Carolina made
Speaker 3: the decision to move on from Larry Fedora, because you
Speaker 3: just you can't reverse that kind of bad energy. And
Speaker 3: I think that when it really gets into the community,
Speaker 3: and it had then it's the only way to get
Speaker 3: it out is to make changes.
Speaker 2: They just they unplugged the router. They waited a minute
Speaker 2: and then aloud the unplugged the negative router and hoping
Speaker 2: for the best.
Speaker 3: So I was I was in Chapel Hill when they
Speaker 3: went from John Bunting to Butcher Davis, and it was similar.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, you know what, John, We're thankful for the
Speaker 3: work you did. And they said the same thing at
Speaker 3: the macground press conference. He goes, Larry Fedora did a
Speaker 3: fantastic job with this team, but we needed to unplug
Speaker 3: the rounter. Yeah, a little bit, and now we're going
Speaker 3: to start over. And so I guess for the I
Speaker 3: guess that change was in two thousand and six, two
Speaker 3: thousand and seven. So now, yeah, we're here a while
Speaker 3: later in the North Carolina fan base and a lot
Speaker 3: of the same power players and a lot of the
Speaker 3: same boosters are just like, m yeah, we're just gonna
Speaker 3: start over, okay.
Speaker 1: Reasonable.
Speaker 2: And one of the first things they do is they
Speaker 2: flip a blue chip, local, blue chip quarterback away from
Speaker 2: Florida State. Not the worst way to start, Not the
Speaker 2: worst way to start, give me a number seven.
Speaker 1: Seven, we go to Virginia Tech. Okay, I like this.
Speaker 2: We're going to like really interesting stories right off the bat,
Speaker 2: so pretty early on the talking point was, Hey, this
Speaker 2: is going to be sort of a different year for
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech and Virginia Tech's defense. And I think in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen they finished seventh in points per drive allowed
Speaker 2: and this past year twenty eighteen, they finished ninetieth ninety.
Speaker 2: So that includes losing four out of their last five
Speaker 2: ACC games. So yes, different sort of year. Is there
Speaker 2: is there a reason to at least believe in twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen and moving forward the Hokies will be in a
Speaker 2: position that they won't have to play in December for
Speaker 2: Bowl eligibility.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I hope that Virginia Tech doesn't have to reschedule,
Speaker 3: doesn't have to schedule a game against Yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Well the makeup was against ECU, right, that was the
Speaker 1: game that was stormed.
Speaker 3: Out, game that was supposed to be played the Virginia Tech.
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech's having to get used to things being a
Speaker 3: little bit different, because I like I felt as though
Speaker 3: this team would lose games where it outgained its opponents,
Speaker 3: you know, they did. They were terrible with turnovers, and
Speaker 3: they just I made dumb, dumb mistakes, And I just
Speaker 3: I don't know if that is a growth on the
Speaker 3: coaching staff, but I do think that whatever Virginia Tech
Speaker 3: fans had sort of become comfortable with in terms of
Speaker 3: what they imagined was Virginia Tech football. I just I
Speaker 3: think Virginia Tech sometimes looks a little bit like a
Speaker 3: wacky Big twelve team. Virginia Tech kind of looks like
Speaker 3: Coloma State sometimes, and I'm like, well, when you live
Speaker 3: that Oklahoma State life, this is what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were kicking a tiger cage a little bit
Speaker 2: this year, and you know, they lose their quarterback early on,
Speaker 2: so you get why things are sort of thrown off.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it felt too different Virginia Tech.
Speaker 3: It feels if it feels that they are going through
Speaker 3: they are really going through a brand evolution right now,
Speaker 3: and these are some of the awkward growing pains of
Speaker 3: going through that brand evolution.
Speaker 1: But there were some young players. Hazelton. I think it
Speaker 1: was a really good wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I like Justin Fointe as an often of mind as
Speaker 3: a schemer and as a play caller.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously, what.
Speaker 3: Five players that were on the starting defensive first team
Speaker 3: at the end of spring practice, we're not around by
Speaker 3: mid September.
Speaker 1: Wow, And that's worth like considering.
Speaker 3: And some of them were for off field stuff, which
Speaker 3: is not a great relection of the program. But I
Speaker 3: think that in terms of personnel, like there were second
Speaker 3: and third stringers out there by the end of the
Speaker 3: season that no one expected was going to be on
Speaker 3: the field. So I will give Virginia Tech a pass
Speaker 3: on this year. But I do think that we should
Speaker 3: not expect Virginia Tech to look like Frank Beamer's Hokies.
Speaker 3: I think that you're starting to see what the justin
Speaker 3: Fuinte vision, I mean, just just the offensive mind from Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: Like this is what it's going to look like a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. And mathematically they should just be
Speaker 2: better injury wise and luck wise, everything like that should
Speaker 2: be all right, right, give me a number nine nine
Speaker 2: we are going to pay. Okay, things are getting weird now.
Speaker 2: So the only real answer to was Pitoka in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen is.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes some quarters I guess, and now they lose pretty
Speaker 2: much their entire offensive production with their two thousand yards
Speaker 2: two one thousand yards rusher is gone, but they bring
Speaker 2: a new offensive coordinator at least.
Speaker 1: Is picking to me all right next year.
Speaker 2: I mean, just in general, I'm always sort of worried
Speaker 2: about Pitt as like a sibling that you're never like
Speaker 2: for sure confident they have their act together.
Speaker 3: I think that it was a good reflection of paton
Speaker 3: rdoozy that in an ACC Coastal Division race that no
Speaker 3: one wanted to win, yep, the team with twenty five
Speaker 3: seniors who had all been playing for four years ran
Speaker 3: out and got it. Yeah, Like you know, I think
Speaker 3: that that's a I think that's a good reflection of
Speaker 3: Pitt football. I don't think that we should expect to
Speaker 3: be in the ACC Championship game every single year. I
Speaker 3: think there's probably going to be a step back. But
Speaker 3: just in terms of when do you believe in Pat nardoozy,
Speaker 3: I think that this season was It was very affirming
Speaker 3: because what they realized is they're like, oh, we should
Speaker 3: just run downhill at everybody yep.
Speaker 1: And I felt like.
Speaker 3: In ACC play once they got into late September and
Speaker 3: October that was really when they won the division. They
Speaker 3: just said, no, we're going to line up and we're
Speaker 3: gonna run right downhill at you. And they had older, bigger, stronger,
Speaker 3: and healthier teams than most defenses they lined up against.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, like that's I Yeah, there's definitely going
Speaker 3: to be a step back, and it's gonna be fascinating
Speaker 3: to see what we get in terms of the next iteration.
Speaker 3: But I think that we should count on Pit every
Speaker 3: three years to have a team that if no One
Speaker 3: wants to go and win this, no one wants to
Speaker 3: go and win.
Speaker 1: This coastal, well yeah we'll win the coastal.
Speaker 3: It's not dissimilar to what the previous expectation had been
Speaker 3: for a while of Paul Johnson's Georgia Tech teams, where
Speaker 3: if no One's going to go out and win this,
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech will absolutely end up in a three way
Speaker 3: tie at five and three and somehow have the tiebreakers
Speaker 3: to be able to get into the ACC Championship game.
Speaker 1: I think that's pitt. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the Pit season just because one they win
Speaker 2: a division and two outside of Notre Dame any like
Speaker 2: pretty good defense they played, They got murdered. They lost
Speaker 2: one thy to twenty. It was just absurd and I
Speaker 2: like that they figured out that they could do that
Speaker 2: one thing running downhill pretty well and it just in
Speaker 2: the end. The more I thought about Pitt, the more
Speaker 2: I thought about like an out of shape reck league
Speaker 2: basketball player who is money from like fourteen feet, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna get you might not do.
Speaker 1: Not give him that space or he will take sac shy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is Pat Nardoozy and the Pitt Panthers twenty eighteen legacy.
Speaker 1: Give me a number.
Speaker 2: Let's see, Okay, we're going to We're going to Florida State.
Speaker 2: What a week it's been for Florida State. So after
Speaker 2: a year in which Willy Taggart and Florida State's on
Speaker 2: field problems were out there for the world to see,
Speaker 2: it's health. It's an experience, and I would say unusual
Speaker 2: dearth of talent at some spots was twenty eighteen definitively unavoidable.
Speaker 2: Gotta take your I guess inherited lumps while rebuilding kind
Speaker 2: of situation. Are there correctable off season things or are
Speaker 2: there new worrisome Willy Taggart and new Florida State issues
Speaker 2: are I guess both.
Speaker 3: I think that there might be and I hope that
Speaker 3: my hope I don't missed up here. I think that
Speaker 3: there might be some serious or at least significant, irreversible
Speaker 3: damage to the collective psyche of that roster experience the
Speaker 3: end of the Jimbo Fisher era, and I wonder if
Speaker 3: it's just going to take time to get it out
Speaker 3: of there. That is just like to be sold the
Speaker 3: championship dream to coming off that twenty thirteen squad that
Speaker 3: we often associated with Jamis because Jamis was such a
Speaker 3: large character. But the like you look at the team
Speaker 3: that played against Auburn in that BCS title game, and
Speaker 3: that team is loaded with players that you see every
Speaker 3: single Sunday. I mean, it was like the NFL championship
Speaker 3: dream was what you were sold and it just fell apart.
Speaker 3: And it's not your fault as a freshman or sophomore
Speaker 3: that this is falling apart. This has to do with
Speaker 3: the head coach's relationship with the administration and the athletic director.
Speaker 3: Like that's stuff that's all out of your control but
Speaker 3: has a huge impact on, you know, the way that.
Speaker 1: You are viewing your existence on this campus.
Speaker 3: And I just I try to, I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: sympathize or empathize like I try to understand that and say, yeah,
Speaker 3: it it might take just two years to be able
Speaker 3: to have the players cycle in and out without having
Speaker 3: whatever damage was done to the mindset of that football
Speaker 3: program from the way that things ended and even this
Speaker 3: bumpy start, you know, yeah, from the jump with the
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech game, just to this, this group has been
Speaker 3: through a bunch and.
Speaker 4: So uh, like, I I will always, I will always
Speaker 4: have a soft spot in my heart for cam Akers
Speaker 4: because he was one of the just like exhilarating prospects
Speaker 4: to uh to come to Florida State since Dalvin Cook
Speaker 4: and you're coming right off at Dalvin Cook like that,
Speaker 4: I just saw in my mind great things and I
Speaker 4: feel like his Florida State career is going to come
Speaker 4: and go and we're not too We're not going to
Speaker 4: see all of that potential necessarily fulfilled on the field.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I believe that we could see more examples
Speaker 3: of that damage even for another year. But it's also
Speaker 3: why I'm not going to sell on Willy Taggart as
Speaker 3: a whole.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen to
Speaker 2: spray for it's multiple trips from the from the shady Van. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm I think that's right, and I think especially if
Speaker 2: they can get quarterback in order, which it appears future
Speaker 2: wise they're not in a I don't think either one
Speaker 2: of Willy Taggart's recruiting classes had a quarterback in it.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? I was not good because I think
Speaker 1: he lost.
Speaker 2: I think that's not good as well, So that I
Speaker 2: think is something to pay attention to. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe they're going to junior college route or they're going
Speaker 2: to try to flip somebody. We're recording this about two weeks,
Speaker 2: I think, outside of the of the second signing day
Speaker 2: day of this period, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But who knows. Where are you at with Florida State?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I am probably the I went a little
Speaker 2: long winded on Oh you're good.
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about that a lot, like I really really,
Speaker 3: but I want to hear what you got.
Speaker 2: So I think Florida State it would be difficult for
Speaker 2: them not to at least get back to confidently eight
Speaker 2: or nine wins that like relatively quickly just because you
Speaker 2: should be able to recruit enough that you're out talenting
Speaker 2: basically everybody outside of Clemson and sort of Miami within
Speaker 2: the conference. So it would be very confounding if they
Speaker 2: don't get to that point. But I think quarterback is
Speaker 2: an issue. I know that they've had to make some
Speaker 2: assistant changes. They lose Walt Bell on offense, but Kendall Briles,
Speaker 2: should you know, for all of all that comes with
Speaker 2: his name, that should be an improved offense.
Speaker 1: I think that is a value added higher.
Speaker 2: Yes, So it would be shocking if at least they're
Speaker 2: not winning forty five forty one games relatively quickly. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's where I think. And Jimbo had a rocky first
Speaker 2: couple of years. Yeah, for sure he did. It's a
Speaker 2: weird dynamic in Tallahassee where you have these crazy expectations
Speaker 2: that have been met relatively recently, but there is an
Speaker 2: immense amount of pressure without there being the year in
Speaker 2: and year out ten to eleven wins recently.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's a strange.
Speaker 2: Dynamic to me. N Yeah, Okay, give me a number.
Speaker 2: Let's see, have we done twelve yet?
Speaker 1: We have not done twelve and twelve was like the
Speaker 1: feel good, cool story of the ACC season in Syracuse. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a great way to jump off Florida State. We
Speaker 1: have cleansed.
Speaker 2: So Syracuse actually good, right, great year in the ACC
Speaker 2: to be consistently pretty good.
Speaker 1: Does it matter? Do you think twenty eighteen has legs? Yes?
Speaker 3: Okay, well eighteen absolutely has legs because there were like
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen is the first year that they were good,
Speaker 3: but they were just like hanging on by a from
Speaker 3: a depth perspective, right, it's it's in the growth of
Speaker 3: the program. You know, you've you've got to have those
Speaker 3: different levels, you know, win win, small, win, big, this
Speaker 3: that or the other. But I think that this year
Speaker 3: was the first year that we see them. And now
Speaker 3: even if the win count takes a step back after
Speaker 3: you know, Eric Dungee and the loss of a like
Speaker 3: a very very important senior class, I think that this
Speaker 3: is another example almost like a division foe of theirs
Speaker 3: in wake Forest, where what we're going to see is
Speaker 3: that the breakthrough is followed up by a really strong
Speaker 3: stable core and Syracuse is going to be able to
Speaker 3: sell itself to skill position players in a way after
Speaker 3: this season that they would have never had before because
Speaker 3: they don't have to sell the vision anymore. They can
Speaker 3: sell the results, and that is just so empowering for
Speaker 3: a coach who's who's still only in his first handful
Speaker 3: of years at the program. So I think it's a
Speaker 3: long lasting you know, I don't know if specifically our
Speaker 3: man Tommy DeVito is gonna be the guy right move forward.
Speaker 3: But I'm a believer in Dino. I'm all in.
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer as well. I think schematically they
Speaker 2: do interesting things. I think they have one of the
Speaker 2: very few true home field advantages in the ACC outside
Speaker 2: of perhaps Clemson, I mean definitely Clemson, but outside of
Speaker 2: consistently consistently it's basically just Clemson in terms of scary
Speaker 2: places to play in Florida State when they're good and
Speaker 2: don't have professors reading in the sunlights. So I am
Speaker 2: buying in on Dino Babers as long as he's there
Speaker 2: at Clemson, because essentially, even if they are consistently pretty good,
Speaker 2: that's more than nine teams ten teams in the ACC.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 3: They should be top half in the divisions, that isn't
Speaker 3: I think a realistic expectation.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're on the same page. So give me fourteen thirty,
Speaker 2: team eleven, ten, eight, five, six or one.
Speaker 1: Have I ever played for you the Dino Drop? No,
Speaker 1: what is the Dino Drop? If you if you can
Speaker 1: play it for me, I'll listen.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see here. It is available if you want
Speaker 3: to google it at home. Okay, but I want to
Speaker 3: I want you to hear it. This is and just
Speaker 3: to set close your eyes to set the context here.
Speaker 3: This is at Dino Baber's opening introductory press conference. And
Speaker 3: this is and he made the entire room close their eyes.
Speaker 1: He refused to speak. He did it like I can't
Speaker 1: remember this.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's star all right. And then it was anyway,
Speaker 3: I'll play the Russ.
Speaker 1: Okay, visualize this. You're in the carrier, don't the house.
Speaker 5: This field, the feeling is electric, the noise is deafening.
Speaker 1: You have a defense that is relentious. You have a
Speaker 1: special teams that has been well coached, well yes, that
Speaker 1: will not boddle.
Speaker 5: And you have a game that's faster we've ever seen
Speaker 5: on turf. Will open your eyes.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a reality, that's going to be
Speaker 1: Syracuse football. That's the Dino Draft. I'm ready. Wow, and
Speaker 1: they fit the whole marching bands on stage with him,
Speaker 1: which was so impressive. Oh no, that was me, man,
Speaker 1: I know, oh, I know you you nailed that. That
Speaker 1: got me ready to play for Syracuse.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so all right, let's go to uh fourteen
Speaker 2: fourteen Virginia. So I felt like at certain points this
Speaker 2: was a feel good story and then certain points like
Speaker 2: who can't lose like that? And here we are Virginia
Speaker 2: the beginning of something dangerous as we saw dangerous in
Speaker 2: the bowl game. Shutting out South Carolina, Bryce Perkins real
Speaker 2: good or is it just the ultimate Bronco Menden Hall
Speaker 2: Pretty good? Got some issues, but pretty good team.
Speaker 3: Man. I think that Virginia fans, first of all, I
Speaker 3: think that that South Carolina result was very very, very
Speaker 3: very important because I think Virginia fans are going to
Speaker 3: look back at this season as a big.
Speaker 1: What if year? Right, big big what if year?
Speaker 3: Because you know, I go back to pitt being the
Speaker 3: team that in a division race that no one wanted
Speaker 3: to win, pitt went and got it. I think Virginia
Speaker 3: was a much better football team than Pittsburgh this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they lose those two what they lose their last
Speaker 1: two in overtime.
Speaker 3: Right, They lost at Georgia Tech and then at Virginia Tech,
Speaker 3: and like that was supposed to be the first win
Speaker 3: against Virginia.
Speaker 1: Tech in ten years. Yeah, and that stings real bad.
Speaker 3: They lost the game against Pittsburgh on a strange Friday
Speaker 3: night game. By the way, Virginia will play three Friday
Speaker 3: night games next year, is that true?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm pulling up their schedule right now. It looks
Speaker 2: like Miami, Bill and Mary and then they finished for
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech obviously, right, and the last.
Speaker 3: Is anchored to that Friday. But still the Friday Night Warriors,
Speaker 3: the Virginia Cavaliers, who would have thunk it, But they
Speaker 3: lose that game to pit They've got those two overtime losses.
Speaker 1: Right at the end of the season.
Speaker 3: This could have been an all time type year, Like
Speaker 3: compare yourself to old George Welsh teams in the record books,
Speaker 3: and I think that that will linger in the back
Speaker 3: of the minds of Virginia fans. But if they push
Speaker 3: past that, then it was. It was. It was an
Speaker 3: incredible team. It was the best for team that we've
Speaker 3: seen fielded in quite a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I appreciate the patience from at least the
Speaker 2: administration with Bronco Mendenhall, and he said some weird things
Speaker 2: when he got the job, saying there were only like
Speaker 2: twenty ACC caliber players on the roster or whatever, and
Speaker 2: it was definitely an adjustment for both him coming from
Speaker 2: BYU and for Virginia. But the fact of the matter is, yes,
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I mean, they are three minutes
Speaker 2: from like ten wins this year, so that what if
Speaker 2: thing will sting. But it feels like a baseline has
Speaker 2: been laid.
Speaker 3: I need to I need to lay myself down at
Speaker 3: the pronunciation, Judge, Oh, I was on the Solid Verbal
Speaker 3: podcast and I had the wrong Alamide Zakias pronunciation.
Speaker 1: What did you call it?
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but I just I remember very distinctly
Speaker 3: looking that up, and I knew. I knew at some point,
Speaker 3: or I hoped, I hoped at some point you would
Speaker 3: have me back. I would make my admission and my
Speaker 3: apology to alamadaz A Kias, who's just a fantastic player.
Speaker 3: I mean, that UVA team was so so good this year.
Speaker 2: They were There were two names, by the way, this year.
Speaker 2: It was olamidz a Chias and it was who I
Speaker 2: really did practice and nail for the Virginia preview before
Speaker 2: the season. And then it was Missou's tight end who
Speaker 2: was arguably the best tight end in the SEC. Mario
Speaker 2: earth Smith and Jay Sternberg.
Speaker 1: Are both good, but I really could not confidently get
Speaker 1: to the point where I could not call him big Oh.
Speaker 2: I just I had to keep going with big Oh.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even I think his first name is
Speaker 2: Josh right, Gosh, I need to look this up, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the that was the big name. His first
Speaker 2: name is Albert Oh. That's right, Albert big al Yeah,
Speaker 2: Albert Oh. But it's I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker 2: Miszoo fans are probably not listening because it is not
Speaker 2: it's no, not even a.
Speaker 3: Try the GB and turn it into like a is
Speaker 3: there is there something there?
Speaker 1: Is it? Okway? Booham? Oh? I think he got it?
Speaker 1: O kway booham Okay. That's that's as good as I'm doing,
Speaker 1: at least in late January. Yeah, that's where we are.
Speaker 1: I fell draft now or is he coming back?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I think he's back. I think Albert Oh is back. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Derek July figured out what to do with him. So
Speaker 1: he'll have a role. He's ready, give me a number.
Speaker 1: Let's see five.
Speaker 2: Five, We're going awake. Who I mean, if you can
Speaker 2: figure out Wake, good for you.
Speaker 1: They a coaching job of the year.
Speaker 3: Listen, Dabbo and Dino are both like maybe outrank them,
Speaker 3: but in another season, I think Dave Clawson. I think
Speaker 3: Dave Clawson had an acc coach of the year caliber
Speaker 3: coaching season with especially with what.
Speaker 2: They dealt with at quarterback early on and where they
Speaker 2: ended up at quarterback with Jamie Newman I think his
Speaker 2: name was. By the end of the year, they did
Speaker 2: not beat FBS teams in consecutive weeks unless you count
Speaker 2: Duke than Memphis in the bowl game. But I mean
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Dave Clausen as that dark horse guy.
Speaker 2: If not for Dino and Dabo, can we officially write
Speaker 2: down this is almost a college basketball No, it is
Speaker 2: a college basketball reference. Wake Forest is a consistent bowl
Speaker 2: program in permanent sharpie Yeah done?
Speaker 3: Why Yeah, I just I'm a believer like this. He
Speaker 3: brought most of his staff from Bowling Green and now
Speaker 3: Mike Elko, who got poached by Notre Dame and then
Speaker 3: Texas A and m backed up the Brinks truck, like,
Speaker 3: that's that's Dave's guy's reflection.
Speaker 1: And he is.
Speaker 3: He has continued to lose assistance. He fires his defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator in mid to late September, it was right after
Speaker 3: the Notre Dame game, and then he promotes internally and
Speaker 3: the defense loses five additional starters to injury and still
Speaker 3: somehow held this together. I think that that that was
Speaker 3: where when when you're building a beach and I can't
Speaker 3: speak for everywhere, but if you build a beach house
Speaker 3: on the North Carolina coast, you assume, based on changing
Speaker 3: weather patterns and the history from the last fifty years,
Speaker 3: that at some point in a five to seven year period,
Speaker 3: chances are a hurricane's going to come through. Now, whether
Speaker 3: that's going to damage your house probably depends on what
Speaker 3: kind of house you build. And you know, just luck
Speaker 3: and Wake Forest had a huge storm come through with
Speaker 3: all the attrition that you make the staff change in
Speaker 3: the middle of the season, but man, they just like
Speaker 3: and they just looked like a better football team, a
Speaker 3: more well coached, a more well prepared football team against
Speaker 3: NC State, against Duke and then against Memphis in the
Speaker 3: bowl game, and I just I think that that is
Speaker 3: an incredible reflection of where Wake's at right now. I
Speaker 3: mean they're investing a lot right now, trying to get
Speaker 3: the money for more indoor facilities and really beefing up
Speaker 3: just so that this small, tiny, tiny school with a
Speaker 3: total ro smaller than a lot of high schools in
Speaker 3: that same county, just so that they can try to
Speaker 3: keep up in the football arms race. I'm kind of
Speaker 3: bullish on Wake Forest, not as a team that's going
Speaker 3: to ever really stand all the way up to where
Speaker 3: Clemson has set the bar in that division. But you
Speaker 3: said permanent bowl team, and I just after this season
Speaker 3: where they buy in any other universe, it feels like
Speaker 3: they don't make a bowl game. For them to only
Speaker 3: make it and also be able to go and win it,
Speaker 3: I'm in.
Speaker 1: They made it with a negative point differential. I should
Speaker 1: add as well.
Speaker 2: It's stunning. That's really amazing. That's pretty incredible. Like you
Speaker 2: can't hate on a Wake team that is at best
Speaker 2: frisky and still making a bowl And that's great, that's
Speaker 2: a good thing. I'm standing behind it as well. Give
Speaker 2: me one or six or eight, ten, eleven, thirteen, thirteen. Oh,
Speaker 2: we're talking Lolesville, which is actually a good thing to
Speaker 2: talk right now. It would not have been fun in
Speaker 2: mid November. They were completely uncompetitive. I think that's the
Speaker 2: word in every way. After the Florida State game. Is
Speaker 2: this a at all, UCF? They'll be all right sooner
Speaker 2: than you realize when you see F bottomed out? Or
Speaker 2: does this does this thing need to be gutted and
Speaker 2: sprayed by Scott Sadderfield and his staff?
Speaker 3: I don't think it has to be gutted and sprayed.
Speaker 3: I think uc it's a great reference. I hadn't thought
Speaker 3: about that as the potential. I mean going from that,
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting the Cardinals to go on a what
Speaker 3: twenty six game winning streak, but that's a very good
Speaker 3: example to hold of what how quickly you can go
Speaker 3: from bottoming out to rightening the ship?
Speaker 1: Now? Is Scott Sadfield Scott Frost? I don't know. We'll
Speaker 1: see about that. I think that I hope I.
Speaker 3: Get I would like to get there, and I would
Speaker 3: like to do a little bit of my own investigating.
Speaker 3: There's a chance because one of the NCAA tournament regionals
Speaker 3: are there. So if you are a Cards fan in
Speaker 3: the area and you got any recommendations.
Speaker 1: Hit me up in March. Maybe I'm coming to your city.
Speaker 1: It's a top chef city right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, Oh yeah, it's top Chef Kentucky right now.
Speaker 1: And they've been spending a lot of time in Louisville.
Speaker 1: Yes see.
Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, all of my recommendations are
Speaker 3: getting filled out as we've let Chip know. I think
Speaker 3: that I think that it was just a thing that
Speaker 3: we can look at as what it looks like when
Speaker 3: the bottom truly falls out at the power five level,
Speaker 3: like when everything has just completely fallen apart.
Speaker 1: And it was stunning. It was.
Speaker 3: The lack of competitiveness was amazing, and I just I
Speaker 3: don't know if we'll see it again.
Speaker 1: How about this.
Speaker 3: I don't think that we'll see a bottom out as
Speaker 3: bad as Louisville in the next four years.
Speaker 1: I think it might be the worst of the five
Speaker 1: year cycle. Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I think that that's sort of like fourth year whatever
Speaker 2: it was into the Bobby Patrino tenure, where recruiting can
Speaker 2: fall off. Maybe his interest wanes a little bit. Maybe
Speaker 2: the coaches surrounding him just don't like coming into the
Speaker 2: office they were due for. I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: router unplugged for sure. But I think with what they've
Speaker 2: been able to do recruiting Florida, with what Scott Sadderfield
Speaker 2: has done, as like for sure not a job hopper.
Speaker 2: They're going to the complete opposite direction in terms of
Speaker 2: mindset from Bobby Patrino. I really do like that this.
Speaker 2: It feels like really good cement is being laid. Scott
Speaker 2: Saderfield is just one hundred percent he is.
Speaker 1: He is what he is. There is no snake oil
Speaker 1: about him. He is.
Speaker 3: He is one hundred percent what he is and getting
Speaker 3: comfortable and finding the fit within that community is only
Speaker 3: going to take time, you know, the time field relationships,
Speaker 3: the time to establish some trust.
Speaker 1: But I would not bet against him.
Speaker 3: I would not bet against him having the Cardinals in
Speaker 3: a bowl game. I would not bet against him doing
Speaker 3: it in.
Speaker 1: The first two seasons. Yeah, I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would go Bowl Bowl.
Speaker 3: It might be one of those you know, bowl season,
Speaker 3: but then maybe five and seven the next year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that in the first two seasons we see
Speaker 3: the Cards in the bowl game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 2: I'm on board with that, just because it's a place
Speaker 2: where you can retool pretty quickly, and a solid coaching
Speaker 2: staff will only help for bowlers.
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Speaker 1: Give me eleven, ten, eight, six or one eight. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going eight.
Speaker 2: We're going Boston College seven win Steve in a complimentary way.
Speaker 1: By the way, is that a bummer or is it?
Speaker 2: Will take it if you're a Boston College fan and
Speaker 2: you're feeling that seven win Steve is a good thing.
Speaker 3: Right now a Boston College fan, I'm looking at the
Speaker 3: way that Boston College finished the year with the eyeball emoji. Again,
Speaker 3: I did not think they were very good. I thought
Speaker 3: they were a much better football team early in the
Speaker 3: season than later in the season. That has not always
Speaker 3: been the case with Steve Dazio, and I think Steven Dazio,
Speaker 3: if I were to revisit some of his comments after
Speaker 3: these games and during game weeks as the season wore on,
Speaker 3: I think he was concerned with the his team was
Speaker 3: playing he knew that this team really could have been
Speaker 3: a much better team than it was. And so do
Speaker 3: they finish with three straight losses to finish the year.
Speaker 1: Yes, Clemson, Florida State, and Syracuse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's a I think that that's
Speaker 3: a season that you go back and you look at
Speaker 3: what the personnel is and you think, man, that that
Speaker 3: that team, that team could have been better. Now it's
Speaker 3: tough because you know, Clemson and Syracuse are great, you know,
Speaker 3: to maybe the top two teams, probably the top two
Speaker 3: teams in the ACC last season.
Speaker 1: But I will maintain that.
Speaker 3: Boston College was not playing great football near the end
Speaker 3: of the season, and for when you got Anthony Brown
Speaker 3: AJ Dillon, like every everything had kind of lined up
Speaker 3: for this to be a Boston College sleeper season, right,
Speaker 3: and for them to run out of steam.
Speaker 2: Just concerning Yeah, it's like if you had told everybody
Speaker 2: before the season they beat Louisville, Miami, Virginia ack, I mean,
Speaker 2: wake but whatever, and you line up those wins like,
Speaker 2: all right, that's probably eight nine wins, and they get
Speaker 2: there and they I guess potentially could have if they
Speaker 2: actually played in a bowl game instead of us having
Speaker 2: to resort to I guess fan fiction to talk about it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the way they finished that year, losing late
Speaker 2: to Florida State, as weird as that sounds, can't do it.
Speaker 2: Can't have that by the end of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be curious to see what the Boston College
Speaker 3: does a pretty good job of providing, you know, a
Speaker 3: window into their football program, at least from the their
Speaker 3: media distribution side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just one of those places you.
Speaker 3: Can always expect that you're going to catch the game
Speaker 3: right up email and I like to.
Speaker 1: I like to keep tabs on Boston College.
Speaker 3: I will be fascinated as as spring opens up to
Speaker 3: see what kind of how Steve Dazio views this team,
Speaker 3: because he often does. He has a no frills approach
Speaker 3: and he'll he'll talk about his team very openly. He
Speaker 3: was confident going into twenty eighteen. He seemed concerned coming
Speaker 3: out of twenty eighteen. And I think that as we
Speaker 3: judge Boston College moving forward, particularly, you know, will they
Speaker 3: ever crack this seven win run, Well, I mean it's
Speaker 3: probably gonna have to take more than just the status quo.
Speaker 3: And the concern is if all of a sudden they
Speaker 3: become complacent with seven wins. That's a program that's gonna
Speaker 3: go to four and eight real quick.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Here's the good news. Next year's non conference schedule. It's
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame year for Boston College. But outside of that,
Speaker 2: the three teams that they have, an FCS team in Richmond, Kansas,
Speaker 2: and Rutgers pretty good.
Speaker 1: How you make a bowl game? How you do it?
Speaker 1: Good for BC?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just that savviness coming through. Give me a number.
Speaker 2: Let's see, we've done that. We've done that, We've done that,
Speaker 2: so we got to do eleven. We have to do six,
Speaker 2: we have to do one.
Speaker 1: Let's do eleven.
Speaker 2: Okay, eleven. We're talking Duke all over the place. My
Speaker 2: question to you why.
Speaker 3: Because Daniel Jones never took a step that all of
Speaker 3: us and if you were the if.
Speaker 1: You were the Daniel Jones skeptic, Dan, then let me know.
Speaker 3: Because I thought everybody else was on the same train
Speaker 3: as me, and we believed that Daniel Jones was going
Speaker 3: to have this this really, you know, finally back at
Speaker 3: full health, he's become the leader of this team. NFL
Speaker 3: scouts love his size and skill set, and I just
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to translate into really successful
Speaker 3: college football performance, and man, I didn't see it. I
Speaker 3: thought the strength of this Duke team was on defense.
Speaker 3: I thought that they had a couple guys TJ. Roming,
Speaker 3: Britton Brown, a couple of skill players that were pretty good.
Speaker 3: But I rarely thought Daniel Jones had a couple of
Speaker 3: good statistical games. But I rarely thought that he was
Speaker 3: the best player on the field. And I thought going
Speaker 3: into the season that there were there were going to
Speaker 3: be at least a handful of games where Daniel Jones
Speaker 3: looked like the best player on the field. So you know,
Speaker 3: NFL can figure out whether that next step still is
Speaker 3: in there, but I didn't think we saw it in
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: The very strange thing is upon reflection of Duke's season
Speaker 2: is they open with three wins, where if they had lost, yeah,
Speaker 2: credible wins. If they had lost any of those games,
Speaker 2: you said, all right, in retrospect, that's reasonable because they say,
Speaker 2: what they beat Army. Then they go on the road
Speaker 2: and beat Northwestern and Baylor, and you're like, okay, these
Speaker 2: are you know, Bowl teams on the road. Army is
Speaker 2: a tricky team to play, no matter who you are
Speaker 2: obviously as we saw this year, and then lose to
Speaker 2: a down Virginia Tech, lose to Virginia, which is fine,
Speaker 2: lose to pit in a shootout, lose to Clemson obviously defensible,
Speaker 2: and then just get shelled by way for us least.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 6: Year.
Speaker 3: Yes, very strange, and but this is this is the real, uh,
Speaker 3: the the upward bounce for Duke. So I I had
Speaker 3: that the same feeling that I was thrown out about
Speaker 3: Boston College. I'm very I will be very interested to
Speaker 3: see what the response is. How people are talking right
Speaker 3: coming off that Wake Forest game, I said, I am
Speaker 3: very curious to see how Duke plays in this bowl game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nothing like what we did not expect expected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and David Cutcliffe, he even came out and did
Speaker 3: the like, well, I I can't, I don't have no idea.
Speaker 3: They we just got crushed and I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: know how to explain it. I didn't expect it, like
Speaker 3: he just he was so sad and down and matter
Speaker 3: of fact about the defeat that I was very curious.
Speaker 3: And look, then Duke finds itself in a high scoring
Speaker 3: shootout in the bowl game, blows him out in the
Speaker 3: second half after half adjustments lock it down on defense.
Speaker 3: So the upward bounce for Duke is as concerning as
Speaker 3: that lost to Wake Forest was. You at least have
Speaker 3: had a bounce back Bowl win to keep keep, keep,
Speaker 3: all the all the flow going back in a positive direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there're two like weird, really strange wins during the
Speaker 2: ACC season. It's Miami, You're like, okay, this is of
Speaker 2: the the ACC's middle class, this is the defense that's
Speaker 2: the scariest. And then at Georgia Tech, of the a
Speaker 2: CC's middle class, this is the offense that's scariest, and
Speaker 2: Duke wins them both and comfortably.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's I got I got nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, Yeah. So we can go to number one
Speaker 2: or we can go to number six, and I think
Speaker 2: that's it six. Oh right, you're really we're sweating Clemson here.
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: I figured that you had made Clemson one.
Speaker 2: Did go Clemson one in a in a slight nod
Speaker 2: to their season. So the Yellow Jackets, in very very
Speaker 2: tech form have a compelling case that they were basically
Speaker 2: better than every large middle class of the s ACC team.
Speaker 2: But now everything is new and we have no idea
Speaker 2: what that will look like. So in your estimation, how
Speaker 2: far away is a Paul Johnson ideal team away from
Speaker 2: looking like a Jeff Collins ideal team.
Speaker 3: I don't put as much on the on the the
Speaker 3: idea about a physical transformation or that offensive lineman who
Speaker 3: recruited by Paul Johnson are going to be incapable of
Speaker 3: doing whatever Jeff Collins was.
Speaker 1: I can't stand that. I really can't stand that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just these are and first of all,
Speaker 3: not only are they at the offensive line, a position
Speaker 3: which has been often associated with being able to read
Speaker 3: and react, diagnose function at a high level, but it's
Speaker 3: also Georgia Tech students that we're talking about, Like they're
Speaker 3: not going to be able to learn a new scheme
Speaker 3: or a new system, process it and figure out a
Speaker 3: way to perform it at the best of their ability.
Speaker 1: I think that the like we could.
Speaker 3: See Georgia Tech be pretty good and they've got they've
Speaker 3: got skill players on that team that you can figure
Speaker 3: out how to put them in an offense. I think
Speaker 3: that right now, immediately, what would you assume that just
Speaker 3: I would assume that just because of the general size
Speaker 3: of the personnel on the offensive line, that we'll see
Speaker 3: something spready right, and that we'll probably try to utilize
Speaker 3: a deep group of running backs for some hey everyone's
Speaker 3: favorite word, RPOs will figure out some way to get
Speaker 3: it done. So I think Jeff Collins is probably most
Speaker 3: concerned about the thing that he knows the best, which
Speaker 3: is the defensive side of the ball, because I thought
Speaker 3: the one place where Georgia Tech fell short this year
Speaker 3: was that they didn't have They didn't have a true
Speaker 3: difference maker on defense. And the best Georgia Tech teams,
Speaker 3: whether it's a pass rusher, whether it's a lockdown safety,
Speaker 3: a defensive lineman at nose tackle who's able to disrupt things,
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech's best teams often have at least one NFL
Speaker 3: caliber player on defense, and I don't know if they
Speaker 3: had that this year. They had a young player named
Speaker 3: Tray Swilling at cornerback who might be in the NFL later,
Speaker 3: But for the most part, it was a bunch of
Speaker 3: seniors and juniors who were just fine. They were good players.
Speaker 3: They did they did enough to be able to earn
Speaker 3: their starting job and you know, lead to whatever success
Speaker 3: the defense did. But I just didn't think they had
Speaker 3: any difference makers. And so whether that's a development, whether
Speaker 3: that's recruiting, you know that that is Jeff collins big
Speaker 3: challenge in terms of forming his ideal team is taking
Speaker 3: a defense that I thought was pretty average and making
Speaker 3: it excellent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's right, and I in the long run,
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm terribly worried about the defense because
Speaker 2: so much of that side of the ball is efforts
Speaker 2: and caring and motivating and building up depth, things that
Speaker 2: I think can be controlled by somebody who has had
Speaker 2: really good defensive results everywhere he's went, everywhere he's been.
Speaker 2: I am more concerned. Is there somebody on the roster
Speaker 2: who can throw the ball forward with accuracy fifteen twenty
Speaker 2: times a game, which is new? That's that's my concern.
Speaker 3: I mean, you get enough going side to side. We
Speaker 3: really only need to get it like ten yards down right.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm curious, Yeah, I'm with you, But I've I
Speaker 3: believe that they'll they'll.
Speaker 1: They'll figure something out.
Speaker 3: I mean, Kelly Bryant couldn't get at thirty yards down
Speaker 3: the field, that's you're a college football playoff.
Speaker 2: He did still make the college football playoff. So now
Speaker 2: you have to choose either between number ten or I
Speaker 2: believe now yep, number one.
Speaker 1: I think we I guess we must have already done
Speaker 1: number ten, right, No, No ten is Miami. Oh uh, let's
Speaker 1: go out and do number one.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do Clemson. We'll finish out with Miami. So
Speaker 2: okay after the Alabama game. Pretty tough to ask anything
Speaker 2: of Clemson right now that hasn't been pretty emphatically answered.
Speaker 2: So is there any lurking reason deep down that there'll
Speaker 2: be anything but excellent?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 2: Defensive line, turnover, coaching, turnover acc getting surprisingly crazy good
Speaker 2: at the top and deep at the top. Is it
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence? Does he start dating Brooks Shields? What is
Speaker 2: what is piercing this pinata? If anything?
Speaker 1: If anything?
Speaker 3: And I do not believe that it is something that
Speaker 3: I am looking for. Right It's just complacency, Okay, that's it.
Speaker 3: I mean, everything else is in place, The personnel is
Speaker 3: in place, the coaching is in place. Everything's in place
Speaker 3: for this team to go win another national championship, and
Speaker 3: the only thing that's going to stop him is them.
Speaker 3: And I'd like, there's there's probably there could be a
Speaker 3: loss on the schedule. I don't know if they're going
Speaker 3: to go on this incredible thirty and oh run right.
Speaker 3: You know, they could get caught by any of these teams,
Speaker 3: as we've seen even during national championship seasons, a lost
Speaker 3: of pitts out there, like you can you can go
Speaker 3: and you can lose a game. But I I don't
Speaker 3: believe that there's there's any reason to think that Clemson
Speaker 3: will be it will be anything other than national championship
Speaker 3: caliber for at least the next two seasons there.
Speaker 2: So they're road games this coming season, as we you know,
Speaker 2: as one does previews the fall in January, North Carolina, Syracuse,
Speaker 2: tough road environment.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Louisville, it's going to be a new type of
Speaker 1: year for Louisville, NC State. Okay, and they go to South.
Speaker 2: Carolina outside of the a SEC obviously, But other than
Speaker 2: that Texas A and M game early, there's nothing scary
Speaker 2: on that schedule, No, And like I could see Texas
Speaker 2: A and M winning that game, sure, and that and
Speaker 2: and that being the the shock to the system, the
Speaker 2: galvan you know, whatever, however you want to spin it,
Speaker 2: and you're in story style, but I do I do
Speaker 2: believe that a loss right there would quickly get the
Speaker 2: attention of a very talented team on what the task
Speaker 2: is that's ahead.
Speaker 1: But I I.
Speaker 3: Just the if you're talking about a lurking concern, and uh,
Speaker 3: I want I want to make sure that I hope
Speaker 3: I don't get him in trouble for this. But it's
Speaker 3: a it's a discussion that ESPN's Ryan McGee and I have.
Speaker 3: I've just sort of kicked around sometimes because we're both
Speaker 3: pretty familiar with the Clemson football program, the Clemson community,
Speaker 3: the fan base, and you see a Belt.
Speaker 1: Bowl year is coming.
Speaker 3: I don't know when, right, but how is Clemson going
Speaker 3: to react to Dabbo when a Belt Bowl year comes?
Speaker 3: Because Dabo's reaction is going to be this, I just
Speaker 3: want to score one more point than the opponent. You know,
Speaker 3: He's just all all I will care about my legacy
Speaker 3: is my son's like he's he really won't be phased
Speaker 3: or concerned. He will be disappointed and he will strive
Speaker 3: to get better results. But I'm I want to see
Speaker 3: how Clemson, the the school, and the fans react when
Speaker 3: the Belt Bowl year comes. Because you can't can't be
Speaker 3: in every single college Football Playoff, there's going to be
Speaker 3: a regression at some point, and the way that.
Speaker 6: He snapped, do you remember that after the South Carolina game?
Speaker 6: I do, Yeah, that that reaction got my attention, and
Speaker 6: so I guess that's the only thing that's lurking for
Speaker 6: me in terms of like, is there is there anything
Speaker 6: negative or even like slightly shaded that you would, uh,
Speaker 6: that you would.
Speaker 1: Say about it?
Speaker 3: Is that I don't think it's coming in the next
Speaker 3: two seasons, but at some point a Belt Bowl year's coming,
Speaker 3: and what happens then what's the reaction because I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know if uh, I don't know how every
Speaker 3: all parties involved would handle it. Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that's right. And one of the
Speaker 2: things that's interesting to me about that sort of letdown
Speaker 2: year is is that when since Leeve and assistants say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've ridden this wave to this point, now I'm going
Speaker 2: to cash out. Not necessarily cash out, because they're obviously
Speaker 2: paid super well, but this is a team that has
Speaker 2: retained basically since Chad Morris left for an understandable reason
Speaker 2: getting a head coaching job.
Speaker 1: They've retained everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott have each spent
Speaker 3: ten years on the staff, right, It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Is there a specific reason why Clemson has been able
Speaker 2: to hold on to championship caliber assistance and other programs
Speaker 2: in that position have not. Is it because DAP working
Speaker 2: with Dabo is a more fun experience, Not more fun,
Speaker 2: but a more pleasant experience.
Speaker 1: What is Yes? Yeah, absolutely, it's all Dabo.
Speaker 3: Do you know about the This has been written about
Speaker 3: a bunch, but in covering Clemson during this postseason run,
Speaker 3: you know, as more and more players of different graduating
Speaker 3: classes continue to reference some of the same things, I'm
Speaker 3: going to determine that they are an influential part of
Speaker 3: the program.
Speaker 1: Do you know about family dinner? I do so. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: once a week it's everybody.
Speaker 3: It's every player, it's every coach, it's the coach's wives,
Speaker 3: it's the coach's kids, it's the support staff with their
Speaker 3: husbands or wives or kids. Like it is an across
Speaker 3: the board big family.
Speaker 1: Tend to a table, sharing all the sides.
Speaker 3: Like once a week, Clemson football has a big old
Speaker 3: family dinner, and that is a thing that has created
Speaker 3: a work environment that everyone would rather be a part of.
Speaker 3: Then whatever this other option is it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: It's just like, hey, just treat everybody like humans and
Speaker 2: include people.
Speaker 1: Break bread with your brother and watch have some mac
Speaker 1: and cheese, have some chicken. That's cool. That's what it
Speaker 1: takes to like keep a wildly successful program running at
Speaker 1: a higher rate right now than any other programs. Family
Speaker 1: style sides on Wednesday nights.
Speaker 2: Ye Family Style, Clemson Family Style, and I guess let's
Speaker 2: just you don't have to pick because number ten is
Speaker 2: Miami and all that I have in my brain is
Speaker 2: offense question mark as the thing that Manny Diaz now
Speaker 2: faces after the lowest of low's for Miami under a
Speaker 2: really strong offensive mind. And Mark Richt say whatever you will,
Speaker 2: it's probably correct, good or bad about Mark Rick. Offense
Speaker 2: hasn't really been a huge huge issue from Mark Rick teams.
Speaker 2: It one thousand percent was this past year. So moving forward,
Speaker 2: hiring Dani Knows from Alabama on overt in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night, is that can that question mark be
Speaker 2: turned into an exclamation point?
Speaker 1: Yes it can, Yes, yeah it can. Don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think it happens immediately, but it absolutely can.
Speaker 3: Miami can get back to having dynamic offenses. This was
Speaker 3: just wrong staff, wrong personnel, sort of bad fit from
Speaker 3: the start.
Speaker 1: Not to mention bad luck. Uh you know, I'm on.
Speaker 3: Richards career ending, brutal, oh my, and he when I'm
Speaker 3: on Richards was playing on one leg. He was one
Speaker 3: of the two best wide receivers in the ACC.
Speaker 2: He would have started. I mean I watched a lot
Speaker 2: of Oregon football. He would have started for Oregon, no
Speaker 2: question about it. On one leg.
Speaker 1: I'm literally one.
Speaker 3: Leg on one leg. So bad luck certainly should be
Speaker 3: mentioned as part of this. But I think it was
Speaker 3: a bad fit of just the that offensive coaching staff
Speaker 3: I think he brought. Did he bring Thomas Brown, the
Speaker 3: old Georgia running back as his offensive coordinator with him
Speaker 3: at Georgia and you know he had it was just
Speaker 3: it was a family affair and it was just a
Speaker 3: bad like whatever it was just apparently was not a
Speaker 3: great fit with the offensive personnel on that side. And
Speaker 3: so I think about was Joe Jackson, Guys like Shaq Krterman.
Speaker 3: I just I think about these incredible Miami defenders on Saturdays,
Speaker 3: going out there and just continuing to take the field
Speaker 3: after three and ounce, you know, just just what Jakwan Johnson,
Speaker 3: Shaq Korman, Michael Pinkney, Sheldrick RedWine. Yeah, like Gerald Willis,
Speaker 3: Joe Jackson, Zach McCleod, like all of these guys are
Speaker 3: gonna be playing in the NFL. They were a phenomenally
Speaker 3: talented group and they.
Speaker 1: Got no help.
Speaker 3: No, they not no help field position, They got no
Speaker 3: help on like turnovers or oh, time of possession. They
Speaker 3: for most of two years, they they have gotten no help.
Speaker 3: And so I feel for them because that had to
Speaker 3: be tough.
Speaker 2: There was a good it was a very good year,
Speaker 2: and by good, I mean unfortunate and bad for defenses
Speaker 2: put in just terrible situations by their own life. So
Speaker 2: Michigan State, Miami Cal, I don't know who I'm forgetting
Speaker 2: TCU actually put out a pretty good defense this year
Speaker 2: with a nightmare of an offense.
Speaker 1: And we've had this in recent years. I think it
Speaker 1: was the.
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen Miszoo team, which was somehow putting out an
Speaker 2: incredible defense every week with nothing, a nothing burger on offense.
Speaker 2: I always feel so bad for those guys that have
Speaker 2: to just keep jogging out like, Okay, I guess we're
Speaker 2: going to have to score, right, he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean really did they?
Speaker 3: They They whooped up on North Carolina on a Thursday
Speaker 3: night this year, and I think the defense outscored the offense.
Speaker 1: God that there should be a specific in the way
Speaker 1: that the Oscars have an award for a lifetime achievement.
Speaker 1: There should be at like the I don't know where
Speaker 1: it's in Orlando, the College Football Awards. There should be
Speaker 1: outstanding achievement in the field of defense having to do everything.
Speaker 1: I would that's the that's the award. I want to
Speaker 1: pull my full energy behind.
Speaker 3: I think I think that that's that's energy put in
Speaker 3: the right place. Okay, So yeah, I think that you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's Titmar tail or whoever, I think that dan
Speaker 3: ENO's being hired by Many Diaz and Many Diaz though
Speaker 3: he like Many Diaz, at his introductory press conference, announced
Speaker 3: that he unfortunately had to tell all these members of
Speaker 3: the offensive staff they would not be retained defensive staff.
Speaker 1: We will be retaining some. Yeah, you guys are good. No,
Speaker 1: you guys can buy and not rent.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are good.
Speaker 3: But to just write off the jump spig, No, this
Speaker 3: whole side of the office, y'all gotta go I think
Speaker 3: that was a good, good way to identify the biggest problem.
Speaker 1: And so because he's not trying too hard to.
Speaker 3: Linger on any particular aspect, whether that is the player
Speaker 3: you know, as as I guess they hope Tate Martel.
Speaker 1: Will be able to have his eligibility waived.
Speaker 3: I don't know it'll happen or not, but yeah, the
Speaker 3: fact that they would even put effort in supporting that
Speaker 3: venture means that he's willing to totally rethink everything on offense,
Speaker 3: and given where things had gone, that's the right decision
Speaker 3: in my book.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also, if you are a head coach, get your
Speaker 2: guys in there. If you have any from day one,
Speaker 2: if you have any sort of hesitation about anything on
Speaker 2: your team, get it fixed if you are empowered to
Speaker 2: do so. Don't hesitate, don't do things because you want
Speaker 2: to be nice or you want to be fair. They'll
Speaker 2: fire you all the same. So do it your way.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad Many Diaz did that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely agree.
Speaker 2: All right, that's the acc Everything else, you know, what's
Speaker 2: what's on tap for the rest of the day, rest
Speaker 2: of the week, rest of the month. Are you taking
Speaker 2: a vacation at all? Are you planning a special outing.
Speaker 1: With the misses. What's what can people look forward to
Speaker 1: in the world of Chip Patterson.
Speaker 3: Well after this, I will be linking up with Barton Simmons,
Speaker 3: my co host of the Cover three podcast.
Speaker 1: The Cover three Podcast.
Speaker 3: Yes, we are putting together our coaches Megamix, where we
Speaker 3: have actually scoured through all of the introductory press conferences
Speaker 3: to identify the most ridiculous soundbites. Nice talk about them
Speaker 3: as we in a more serious manner sort of rank
Speaker 3: and review the entire coaching cycle with Rod Carey and
Speaker 3: Northern Illinois needing to make a hire. We actually just
Speaker 3: finished it, probably the longest coaching caresel we've had in
Speaker 3: some time.
Speaker 1: And then I will be on.
Speaker 3: CBS Sports HQ, our twenty four to seven streaming news network.
Speaker 3: I'll be on CBS Sports HQ at six o'clock on
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Speaker 1: I love it, look at you all over the place.
Speaker 1: On your Twitter bio it says college football, college basketball,
Speaker 1: and golf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I'll be live blogging Tiger at Torrey Pines
Speaker 3: on Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 1: You could probably run for lieutenant governor in North Carolina
Speaker 1: and just do stump speeches talking about college sports and golf, right,
Speaker 1: you'd get fifteen percent. No, I think that I could not,
Speaker 1: Lieutenant governor. Okay, yeah, you're you're right.
Speaker 3: I think that just based on the the overwhelming number
Speaker 3: of hot spots that I'm hitting with my general coverage. It's, uh,
Speaker 3: it runs strong. It's it's because I'm a product. I'm
Speaker 3: a product of my environment, and I just happened to
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Speaker 3: Well is it I think that? Uh, that court, I
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: We're gonna get a great podcast out of it in
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a good point, I think. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I will give because the who it's going to be
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Speaker 1: What's the old reporter term.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a gum shoe. But that's like a detective.
Speaker 2: It's like detective, right, beaten the leather. I don't know
Speaker 2: whatever I'm looking up leather shoe, I'm not seeing anything,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure you're right.
Speaker 3: I might be mixing it up. I'm not from the
Speaker 3: I'm not from the old school. I'm no madil grind.
Speaker 3: It's gonna end up being one of the court reporters,
Speaker 3: because those are the court reporters are the ones that
Speaker 3: really get the juicy stuff because they don't have to
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Speaker 1: It is. It's shoe leather journalism or shoe leather reporting.
Speaker 1: There we go there.
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got that lesson, but.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, Chip Patterson, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2: This has gone to a wonderful place and can't wait.
Speaker 1: To have you back. Dan, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: We have more conferences to come to dissect and really
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