WEBVTT - 2018 ACC Autopsy Rulings

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal. I'll that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>for dake Edo state is that woo woom.

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<v Speaker 2>And and tie Hey everybody, and welcome to the solid verbal.

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<v Speaker 1>Tie is alive, I swear, but only barely. I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a root canal and is tending to his

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<v Speaker 2>no longer infected pulp chamber.

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<v Speaker 1>I obviously had to look this up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's having some let's call it mouth drama, a phrase

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel fully comfortable saying on a family show,

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<v Speaker 2>but he wanted me to tell you. He does have

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<v Speaker 2>a high pain threshold, and points out that he's dislocated

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<v Speaker 2>multiple joints, which sounds like his version of I drive

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<v Speaker 2>a Dodge Stratus, But his dentists he's not a fan.

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<v Speaker 2>He may be Baraka from Mortal kom so Ty is

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<v Speaker 2>tending to his instrument. So we I guess I press

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<v Speaker 2>on with some conference. We're calling them autopsies. Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to sort of look at the body from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen and figure out what exactly went wrong or rights.

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<v Speaker 2>As we move forward in the calendar year. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of autopsies, I don't really get to do this

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<v Speaker 2>during the season, and since this is not a super

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<v Speaker 2>pressing episode and I don't get to recommend things a

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<v Speaker 2>lot other than food, Narcos Mexico, really good, Crazy Wild,

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend strong recommendation. So this is all to say,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know from the title of the show, we

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<v Speaker 2>have CBS Sports, is Chip Patterson to day on the

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<v Speaker 2>show to look at the twenty eighteen ACC season. That's

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult for me to say twenty eighteen ACC season

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond remember that's we're talking about America's Championship Conference

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<v Speaker 2>and figure out what it all means, at least as

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<v Speaker 2>of today. So here's a I don't know, here's a

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<v Speaker 2>little Nintendo sound I like and roth all right, and

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<v Speaker 2>on the line provided technology has held up, is Chip

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<v Speaker 2>Chip Patterson CBS Sports House life, are are things in

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<v Speaker 2>a chill way with you?

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<v Speaker 1>After?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you are living in Championship ACC country? So

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<v Speaker 2>is everything good?

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<v Speaker 3>They the college basketball writers at CBS Sports are my friends,

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<v Speaker 3>my co workers. There's this really fun, awkward period where

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<v Speaker 3>they say, like, hey man, you know before you come

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<v Speaker 3>over to college basketball, like take a break, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>take some time. But then as we get towards the

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<v Speaker 3>end of January, I start getting the questions like, so

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<v Speaker 3>when are you going to start pick stiffs like it,

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<v Speaker 3>cause it's getting really busy over here and we can

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<v Speaker 3>really use some extra manpower. So what I've been doing

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<v Speaker 3>is I've been basically I do give myself a week

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<v Speaker 3>and then I start just going all in on research

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<v Speaker 3>and playing cat so that when I do jump over

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<v Speaker 3>to the college basketball side of things, usually by the

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<v Speaker 3>first of February, I'm there that I'm just I'm all

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<v Speaker 3>locked in with my names, my storylines, all that good stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't have to go into every single thought

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<v Speaker 3>with multiple tabs open, having to double check myself.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be a lot more fluid at that point. I

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have honestly no idea what's going on on

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<v Speaker 2>a day to day level with college basketball. And I

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<v Speaker 2>assume if people are listening to this they're college football fans.

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<v Speaker 1>Any like, Duke is good? Yes, it's good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I would say that in terms of crossover with

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<v Speaker 3>your audience, I have enjoyed over the last two seasons

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<v Speaker 3>the SEC really getting some good basketball teams right now,

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<v Speaker 3>Mississippi State has.

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<v Speaker 1>A good basketball team right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Ole Miss with Kermit Davis as the head coach, has

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<v Speaker 3>been one of my favorite storylines of the season. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Tennessee might be the best team in the country, like

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<v Speaker 3>for real, Tennessee might win the national championship in basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm running all of this down. This is all going

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<v Speaker 2>in my field notes. So what we're doing today though,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from this, yeah, that's yeah, she said SEC basketball. Ye,

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<v Speaker 2>Duke and North Carolina are still awesome, and.

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<v Speaker 3>She State's been a pleasant surprise top twenty five team.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good stuff. I like that NC State America's

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<v Speaker 2>pleasant surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>That's do you want to start with them? Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with m C State.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it otherwise I'm going to have you pick

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<v Speaker 2>a number, and I have associated questions with numbers, but

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<v Speaker 2>let's start with m C State because that is you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're still in Raleigh. I assume, yes, you're still in

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<v Speaker 2>Wilbrinson Country. Sorry the we pack.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you call it whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 3>But one of us was actually born at Rex Hospital

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<v Speaker 3>in ra Oh. The other one just sort of joined

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<v Speaker 3>the Raleigh community during his time at MC State.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy that We're not, what three minutes into this

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<v Speaker 2>and you're already pulling Raleigh rank. That's the most ac

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<v Speaker 2>This is why if you're going to book an acc

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<v Speaker 2>ish guest, consider Chip Patterson. That's my recommendation. Let's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>wolf Pack, wolf Pack. They had a very end State year.

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<v Speaker 2>They were decent. Only one real head scratcher of a loss,

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<v Speaker 2>which was losing to Wake in their backup quarterback, but

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<v Speaker 2>sort of cemented that they're for sure competitive but definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not breaking through type of year. They now hire I

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<v Speaker 2>think what an outside defensive coordinator and Tony Gibson, and

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<v Speaker 2>they promote coordinators from the inside after they lose Eli Drinkuitz.

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<v Speaker 2>Is their hope, this is what I ask you, as

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<v Speaker 2>mister Raleigh. Is their hope to get to winning all

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<v Speaker 2>of their winnable games.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely, I think that right now the program itself

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<v Speaker 3>is in a position where they've done a good enough

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<v Speaker 3>job on the recruiting trail, They've done a good enough

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<v Speaker 3>job with development and being able to sustain some of

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<v Speaker 3>these losses. You know, like Matt Canada at one time

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<v Speaker 3>was an NC State offensive coordinator. I think losing Eli

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<v Speaker 3>Drinkuitz at this time to Appalachian State was a right place,

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<v Speaker 3>right time thing for Drinkuits, and I think that there

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't a lot of pan And whether that's confidence and

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<v Speaker 3>everything else you have, or whether that says something about

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<v Speaker 3>drink Witz behind the scene, but I just didn't sense

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of panic at the situation of having all

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<v Speaker 3>this staff turnover. And I think they got better with

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<v Speaker 3>Tony Gibson, and I think that truly like this season

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<v Speaker 3>to me, honestly, this season, to me, arriving at nine

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<v Speaker 3>wins was exceeding the expectations going into the year. And

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<v Speaker 3>when you go from losing a Bradley Chubb, heart and

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<v Speaker 3>soul your team, you know, the defensive line that was

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<v Speaker 3>all going pro losing those players, but then having other

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<v Speaker 3>ones ready to step up, and like a guy like

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<v Speaker 3>Jermaine Pratt, I thought it had had a fantastic season

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<v Speaker 3>and nobody thought that he was going to be that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of player, at least among the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>ACC And I just that's I think that's a good

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<v Speaker 3>sign for Dave Dorn.

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<v Speaker 1>It just shows that he's he's got this.

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<v Speaker 3>Thing moving to the point where you can every like

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<v Speaker 3>winning the winnable games Forrenzis State means that every single

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<v Speaker 3>year they're winning between seven and eight, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>the NC State can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it mean spirited to call Dave Dorin eight foreign?

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<v Speaker 2>Eight and four eight foreign? I just and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it is, but I just realized it sounded very

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<v Speaker 2>similar to his actual name.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you gotten that one started? Is that going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on a T shirt?

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<v Speaker 2>I texted Tie that not an hour and a half ago,

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<v Speaker 2>as I was reviewing everything I wanted to review ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of this show, and I feel like eight foreign is

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<v Speaker 2>not the worst thing ever the for all the.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun that we have, isn't it? Jeff Fisher was seven

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<v Speaker 3>and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Fisher was seven and nine, and then we had

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<v Speaker 2>seven win Steve for Steve Washington, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>seven win Steve probably a compliment to a dassio a.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably probably eight furign is very That is a very

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<v Speaker 3>very very very good nickname that should be a T

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<v Speaker 3>shirts trademark and might become a thing. But it's true,

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<v Speaker 3>like that is a compliment to say that we believe

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<v Speaker 3>your program is healthy enough, then no matter what happens

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<v Speaker 3>from a personnel standpoint, from a staff standpoint, we are

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<v Speaker 3>expecting you to win all your non conference games and

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<v Speaker 3>finish five hundred and ACC play And that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>I expect.

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<v Speaker 1>Depenc State. I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, pick a number between one and fourteen. My teams

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<v Speaker 2>are at random, and so you will just you will

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<v Speaker 2>happen upon like in your head, you should be hearing

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<v Speaker 2>at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Ratatatata ta ta ta ta ta, and then give me

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<v Speaker 1>a number three. Three.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're going to Hey, we're staying in state. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to North Carolina. I hate to belabor the they

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<v Speaker 2>were more competitive than their record suggests points, but they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of were. But that's a two to nine record,

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<v Speaker 2>which was not that hard. Now Mac Brown is back,

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<v Speaker 2>this is still a program three I believe, seasons removed

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<v Speaker 2>from the ACC title game. So in your mind, what

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<v Speaker 2>does a realistic best case year one slash to North

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina program look like in a once again and probably

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<v Speaker 2>throughout time winnable Division six.

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<v Speaker 1>And six oh year one?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's I mean, there are some personnel deficiencies that

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<v Speaker 3>are only going to be fixed on the recruiting trail,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that's where Mac Brown was probably a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a seller.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right, this team beat ACC.

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<v Speaker 3>Coastal Division champ in Pittsburgh, it went to overtime at

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<v Speaker 3>Syracuse in the Carrier Dome, and it went to overtime

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<v Speaker 3>against NC State. What I have diagnosed for North Carolina

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<v Speaker 3>at least at this point now I'll continue to learn

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<v Speaker 3>and probably change my opinion slightly, but I think that

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<v Speaker 3>there was a sad acceptance that the team was not

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<v Speaker 3>and would not be good, very very early in the season.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that when that happens all throughout the

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<v Speaker 3>fan base, especially at a place like Chapel Hill, which

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<v Speaker 3>is very like all encompassing and inundated, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that those feeling that can that can seep into.

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<v Speaker 1>A team a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>And it might take maybe Mack Brown as the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>former coach, master motivator, slick talker, politician, maybe he's able

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<v Speaker 3>to like talk all that negative energy out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that that is.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason why this team was better than its record,

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<v Speaker 3>because there was just that intangible negative. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that that intangible negative is ultimately why North Carolina made

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<v Speaker 3>the decision to move on from Larry Fedora, because you

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<v Speaker 3>just you can't reverse that kind of bad energy. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that when it really gets into the community,

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<v Speaker 3>and it had then it's the only way to get

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<v Speaker 3>it out is to make changes.

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<v Speaker 2>They just they unplugged the router. They waited a minute

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<v Speaker 2>and then aloud the unplugged the negative router and hoping

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<v Speaker 2>for the best.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was I was in Chapel Hill when they

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<v Speaker 3>went from John Bunting to Butcher Davis, and it was similar.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's like, you know what, John, We're thankful for the

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<v Speaker 3>work you did. And they said the same thing at

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<v Speaker 3>the macground press conference. He goes, Larry Fedora did a

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic job with this team, but we needed to unplug

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<v Speaker 3>the rounter. Yeah, a little bit, and now we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to start over. And so I guess for the I

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<v Speaker 3>guess that change was in two thousand and six, two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and seven. So now, yeah, we're here a while

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<v Speaker 3>later in the North Carolina fan base and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the same power players and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>same boosters are just like, m yeah, we're just gonna

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<v Speaker 3>start over, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the first things they do is they

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<v Speaker 2>flip a blue chip, local, blue chip quarterback away from

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<v Speaker 2>Florida State. Not the worst way to start, Not the

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<v Speaker 2>worst way to start, give me a number seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven, we go to Virginia Tech. Okay, I like this.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to like really interesting stories right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 2>so pretty early on the talking point was, Hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be sort of a different year for

0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Virginia Tech and Virginia Tech's defense. And I think in

0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.679
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen they finished seventh in points per drive allowed

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<v Speaker 2>and this past year twenty eighteen, they finished ninetieth ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>So that includes losing four out of their last five

0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.440
<v Speaker 2>ACC games. So yes, different sort of year. Is there

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<v Speaker 2>is there a reason to at least believe in twenty

0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.600
<v Speaker 2>nineteen and moving forward the Hokies will be in a

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<v Speaker 2>position that they won't have to play in December for

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl eligibility.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, I hope that Virginia Tech doesn't have to reschedule,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to schedule a game against Yeah, oh my goodness.

0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Well the makeup was against ECU, right, that was the

0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.160
<v Speaker 1>game that was stormed.

0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Out, game that was supposed to be played the Virginia Tech.

0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Virginia Tech's having to get used to things being a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit different, because I like I felt as though

0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.439
<v Speaker 3>this team would lose games where it outgained its opponents,

0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, they did. They were terrible with turnovers, and

0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.720
<v Speaker 3>they just I made dumb, dumb mistakes, And I just

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that is a growth on the

0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.360
<v Speaker 3>coaching staff, but I do think that whatever Virginia Tech

0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.679
<v Speaker 3>fans had sort of become comfortable with in terms of

0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.280
<v Speaker 3>what they imagined was Virginia Tech football. I just I

0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.600
<v Speaker 3>think Virginia Tech sometimes looks a little bit like a

0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.800
<v Speaker 3>wacky Big twelve team. Virginia Tech kind of looks like

0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.160
<v Speaker 3>Coloma State sometimes, and I'm like, well, when you live

0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.319
<v Speaker 3>that Oklahoma State life, this is what you're gonna get.

0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were kicking a tiger cage a little bit

0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.440
<v Speaker 2>this year, and you know, they lose their quarterback early on,

0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.920
<v Speaker 2>so you get why things are sort of thrown off.

0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:41.040
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it felt too different Virginia Tech.

0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.839
<v Speaker 3>It feels if it feels that they are going through

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<v Speaker 3>they are really going through a brand evolution right now,

0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.800
<v Speaker 3>and these are some of the awkward growing pains of

0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:51.240
<v Speaker 3>going through that brand evolution.

0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.560
<v Speaker 1>But there were some young players. Hazelton. I think it

0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was a really good wide receiver.

0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.800
<v Speaker 3>I like Justin Fointe as an often of mind as

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<v Speaker 3>a schemer and as a play caller.

0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, obviously, what.

0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Five players that were on the starting defensive first team

0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.320
<v Speaker 3>at the end of spring practice, we're not around by

0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:14.400
<v Speaker 3>mid September.

0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow, And that's worth like considering.

0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.520
<v Speaker 3>And some of them were for off field stuff, which

0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.760
<v Speaker 3>is not a great relection of the program. But I

0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.480
<v Speaker 3>think that in terms of personnel, like there were second

0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.080
<v Speaker 3>and third stringers out there by the end of the

0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.560
<v Speaker 3>season that no one expected was going to be on

0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.320
<v Speaker 3>the field. So I will give Virginia Tech a pass

0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.760
<v Speaker 3>on this year. But I do think that we should

0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.640
<v Speaker 3>not expect Virginia Tech to look like Frank Beamer's Hokies.

0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.480
<v Speaker 3>I think that you're starting to see what the justin

0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Fuinte vision, I mean, just just the offensive mind from Oklahoma,

0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Like this is what it's going to look like a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine with it. And mathematically they should just be

0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.240
<v Speaker 2>better injury wise and luck wise, everything like that should

0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:59.280
<v Speaker 2>be all right, right, give me a number nine nine

0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.360
<v Speaker 2>we are going to pay. Okay, things are getting weird now.

0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:08.160
<v Speaker 2>So the only real answer to was Pitoka in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes some quarters I guess, and now they lose pretty

0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.280
<v Speaker 2>much their entire offensive production with their two thousand yards

0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.080
<v Speaker 2>two one thousand yards rusher is gone, but they bring

0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.119
<v Speaker 2>a new offensive coordinator at least.

0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Is picking to me all right next year.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just in general, I'm always sort of worried

0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.280
<v Speaker 2>about Pitt as like a sibling that you're never like

0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.120
<v Speaker 2>for sure confident they have their act together.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that it was a good reflection of paton

0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.480
<v Speaker 3>rdoozy that in an ACC Coastal Division race that no

0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.840
<v Speaker 3>one wanted to win, yep, the team with twenty five

0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.440
<v Speaker 3>seniors who had all been playing for four years ran

0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.680
<v Speaker 3>out and got it. Yeah, Like you know, I think

0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.200
<v Speaker 3>that that's a I think that's a good reflection of

0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.080
<v Speaker 3>Pitt football. I don't think that we should expect to

0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.840
<v Speaker 3>be in the ACC Championship game every single year. I

0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.480
<v Speaker 3>think there's probably going to be a step back. But

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<v Speaker 3>just in terms of when do you believe in Pat nardoozy,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that this season was It was very affirming

0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.040
<v Speaker 3>because what they realized is they're like, oh, we should

0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.280
<v Speaker 3>just run downhill at everybody yep.

0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:20.960
<v Speaker 1>And I felt like.

0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.480
<v Speaker 3>In ACC play once they got into late September and

0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.400
<v Speaker 3>October that was really when they won the division. They

0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.520
<v Speaker 3>just said, no, we're going to line up and we're

0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:34.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna run right downhill at you. And they had older, bigger, stronger,

0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and healthier teams than most defenses they lined up against.

0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.640
<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, like that's I Yeah, there's definitely going

0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.560
<v Speaker 3>to be a step back, and it's gonna be fascinating

0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.320
<v Speaker 3>to see what we get in terms of the next iteration.

0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.000
<v Speaker 3>But I think that we should count on Pit every

0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.320
<v Speaker 3>three years to have a team that if no One

0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.040
<v Speaker 3>wants to go and win this, no one wants to

0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:56.560
<v Speaker 3>go and win.

0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.440
<v Speaker 1>This coastal, well yeah we'll win the coastal.

0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:03.240
<v Speaker 3>It's not dissimilar to what the previous expectation had been

0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.320
<v Speaker 3>for a while of Paul Johnson's Georgia Tech teams, where

0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.880
<v Speaker 3>if no One's going to go out and win this,

0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Georgia Tech will absolutely end up in a three way

0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.520
<v Speaker 3>tie at five and three and somehow have the tiebreakers

0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.960
<v Speaker 3>to be able to get into the ACC Championship game.

0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that's pitt. Yeah.

0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I love the Pit season just because one they win

0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.399
<v Speaker 2>a division and two outside of Notre Dame any like

0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.280
<v Speaker 2>pretty good defense they played, They got murdered. They lost

0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.600
<v Speaker 2>one thy to twenty. It was just absurd and I

0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.440
<v Speaker 2>like that they figured out that they could do that

0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.439
<v Speaker 2>one thing running downhill pretty well and it just in

0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.520
<v Speaker 2>the end. The more I thought about Pitt, the more

0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.040
<v Speaker 2>I thought about like an out of shape reck league

0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.480
<v Speaker 2>basketball player who is money from like fourteen feet, it's

0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.000
<v Speaker 2>not gonna get you might not do.

0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Not give him that space or he will take sac shy. Yeah,

0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.160
<v Speaker 1>that is Pat Nardoozy and the Pitt Panthers twenty eighteen legacy.

0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Give me a number.

0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, Okay, we're going to We're going to Florida State.

0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.520
<v Speaker 2>What a week it's been for Florida State. So after

0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.040
<v Speaker 2>a year in which Willy Taggart and Florida State's on

0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.960
<v Speaker 2>field problems were out there for the world to see,

0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.640
<v Speaker 2>it's health. It's an experience, and I would say unusual

0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:26.080
<v Speaker 2>dearth of talent at some spots was twenty eighteen definitively unavoidable.

0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Gotta take your I guess inherited lumps while rebuilding kind

0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:35.280
<v Speaker 2>of situation. Are there correctable off season things or are

0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.520
<v Speaker 2>there new worrisome Willy Taggart and new Florida State issues

0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:40.240
<v Speaker 2>are I guess both.

0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I think that there might be and I hope that

0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.679
<v Speaker 3>my hope I don't missed up here. I think that

0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:55.240
<v Speaker 3>there might be some serious or at least significant, irreversible

0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:00.639
<v Speaker 3>damage to the collective psyche of that roster experience the

0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.919
<v Speaker 3>end of the Jimbo Fisher era, and I wonder if

0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.360
<v Speaker 3>it's just going to take time to get it out

0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 3>of there. That is just like to be sold the

0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:15.679
<v Speaker 3>championship dream to coming off that twenty thirteen squad that

0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.960
<v Speaker 3>we often associated with Jamis because Jamis was such a

0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.800
<v Speaker 3>large character. But the like you look at the team

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.119
<v Speaker 3>that played against Auburn in that BCS title game, and

0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.800
<v Speaker 3>that team is loaded with players that you see every

0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.560
<v Speaker 3>single Sunday. I mean, it was like the NFL championship

0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:37.680
<v Speaker 3>dream was what you were sold and it just fell apart.

0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 3>And it's not your fault as a freshman or sophomore

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.520
<v Speaker 3>that this is falling apart. This has to do with

0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.400
<v Speaker 3>the head coach's relationship with the administration and the athletic director.

0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Like that's stuff that's all out of your control but

0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.960
<v Speaker 3>has a huge impact on, you know, the way that.

0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.640
<v Speaker 1>You are viewing your existence on this campus.

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.960
<v Speaker 3>And I just I try to, I guess, you know,

0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.200
<v Speaker 3>sympathize or empathize like I try to understand that and say, yeah,

0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 3>it it might take just two years to be able

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 3>to have the players cycle in and out without having

0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 3>whatever damage was done to the mindset of that football

0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.879
<v Speaker 3>program from the way that things ended and even this

0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.760
<v Speaker 3>bumpy start, you know, yeah, from the jump with the

0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Virginia Tech game, just to this, this group has been

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:30.840
<v Speaker 3>through a bunch and.

0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.280
<v Speaker 4>So uh, like, I I will always, I will always

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.240
<v Speaker 4>have a soft spot in my heart for cam Akers

0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:40.280
<v Speaker 4>because he was one of the just like exhilarating prospects

0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.160
<v Speaker 4>to uh to come to Florida State since Dalvin Cook

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.480
<v Speaker 4>and you're coming right off at Dalvin Cook like that,

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.919
<v Speaker 4>I just saw in my mind great things and I

0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:51.919
<v Speaker 4>feel like his Florida State career is going to come

0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.159
<v Speaker 4>and go and we're not too We're not going to

0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.679
<v Speaker 4>see all of that potential necessarily fulfilled on the field.

0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:02.200
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I believe that we could see more examples

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 3>of that damage even for another year. But it's also

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 3>why I'm not going to sell on Willy Taggart as

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:09.080
<v Speaker 3>a whole.

0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:10.280
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense.

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.679
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen to

0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:17.679
<v Speaker 2>spray for it's multiple trips from the from the shady Van. Okay,

0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm I think that's right, and I think especially if

0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.080
<v Speaker 2>they can get quarterback in order, which it appears future

0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:25.960
<v Speaker 2>wise they're not in a I don't think either one

0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.919
<v Speaker 2>of Willy Taggart's recruiting classes had a quarterback in it.

0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Is that correct? I was not good because I think

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:32.800
<v Speaker 1>he lost.

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that's not good as well, So that I

0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:37.680
<v Speaker 2>think is something to pay attention to. I don't know,

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.399
<v Speaker 2>maybe they're going to junior college route or they're going

0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 2>to try to flip somebody. We're recording this about two weeks,

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I think, outside of the of the second signing day

0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 2>day of this period, so we'll see what happens.

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 1>But who knows. Where are you at with Florida State?

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I am probably the I went a little

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:56.920
<v Speaker 2>long winded on Oh you're good.

0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I've been thinking about that a lot, like I really really,

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 3>but I want to hear what you got.

0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:05.399
<v Speaker 2>So I think Florida State it would be difficult for

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.680
<v Speaker 2>them not to at least get back to confidently eight

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 2>or nine wins that like relatively quickly just because you

0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 2>should be able to recruit enough that you're out talenting

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.440
<v Speaker 2>basically everybody outside of Clemson and sort of Miami within

0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:24.239
<v Speaker 2>the conference. So it would be very confounding if they

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.760
<v Speaker 2>don't get to that point. But I think quarterback is

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.239
<v Speaker 2>an issue. I know that they've had to make some

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:33.160
<v Speaker 2>assistant changes. They lose Walt Bell on offense, but Kendall Briles,

0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.919
<v Speaker 2>should you know, for all of all that comes with

0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>his name, that should be an improved offense.

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I think that is a value added higher.

0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So it would be shocking if at least they're

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:48.240
<v Speaker 2>not winning forty five forty one games relatively quickly. Right, Okay,

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 2>that's where I think. And Jimbo had a rocky first

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 2>couple of years. Yeah, for sure he did. It's a

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:59.840
<v Speaker 2>weird dynamic in Tallahassee where you have these crazy expectations

0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:05.479
<v Speaker 2>that have been met relatively recently, but there is an

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 2>immense amount of pressure without there being the year in

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 2>and year out ten to eleven wins recently.

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, So it's a strange.

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Dynamic to me. N Yeah, Okay, give me a number.

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, have we done twelve yet?

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.520
<v Speaker 1>We have not done twelve and twelve was like the

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 1>feel good, cool story of the ACC season in Syracuse. Oh,

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a great way to jump off Florida State. We

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:31.679
<v Speaker 1>have cleansed.

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:40.160
<v Speaker 2>So Syracuse actually good, right, great year in the ACC

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 2>to be consistently pretty good.

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Does it matter? Do you think twenty eighteen has legs? Yes?

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:52.439
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well eighteen absolutely has legs because there were like

0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 3>twenty eighteen is the first year that they were good,

0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.640
<v Speaker 3>but they were just like hanging on by a from

0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 3>a depth perspective, right, it's it's in the growth of

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 3>the program. You know, you've you've got to have those

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 3>different levels, you know, win win, small, win, big, this

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.880
<v Speaker 3>that or the other. But I think that this year

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 3>was the first year that we see them. And now

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 3>even if the win count takes a step back after

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, Eric Dungee and the loss of a like

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 3>a very very important senior class, I think that this

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 3>is another example almost like a division foe of theirs

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 3>in wake Forest, where what we're going to see is

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:37.880
<v Speaker 3>that the breakthrough is followed up by a really strong

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 3>stable core and Syracuse is going to be able to

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 3>sell itself to skill position players in a way after

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 3>this season that they would have never had before because

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 3>they don't have to sell the vision anymore. They can

0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 3>sell the results, and that is just so empowering for

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 3>a coach who's who's still only in his first handful

0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 3>of years at the program. So I think it's a

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 3>long lasting you know, I don't know if specifically our

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 3>man Tommy DeVito is gonna be the guy right move forward.

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 3>But I'm a believer in Dino. I'm all in.

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big believer as well. I think schematically they

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.199
<v Speaker 2>do interesting things. I think they have one of the

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 2>very few true home field advantages in the ACC outside

0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 2>of perhaps Clemson, I mean definitely Clemson, but outside of

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>consistently consistently it's basically just Clemson in terms of scary

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 2>places to play in Florida State when they're good and

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 2>don't have professors reading in the sunlights. So I am

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 2>buying in on Dino Babers as long as he's there

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>at Clemson, because essentially, even if they are consistently pretty good,

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that's more than nine teams ten teams in the ACC.

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>That's fine.

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 3>They should be top half in the divisions, that isn't

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 3>I think a realistic expectation.

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're on the same page. So give me fourteen thirty,

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 2>team eleven, ten, eight, five, six or one.

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Have I ever played for you the Dino Drop? No,

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>what is the Dino Drop? If you if you can

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>play it for me, I'll listen.

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's see here. It is available if you want

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 3>to google it at home. Okay, but I want to

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 3>I want you to hear it. This is and just

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 3>to set close your eyes to set the context here.

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 3>This is at Dino Baber's opening introductory press conference. And

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 3>this is and he made the entire room close their eyes.

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>He refused to speak. He did it like I can't

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 1>remember this.

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's star all right. And then it was anyway,

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 3>I'll play the Russ.

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, visualize this. You're in the carrier, don't the house.

0:26:55.880 --> 0:27:04.360
<v Speaker 5>This field, the feeling is electric, the noise is deafening.

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 1>You have a defense that is relentious. You have a

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 1>special teams that has been well coached, well yes, that

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 1>will not boddle.

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 5>And you have a game that's faster we've ever seen

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:28.440
<v Speaker 5>on turf. Will open your eyes.

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 1>That's going to be a reality, that's going to be

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Syracuse football. That's the Dino Draft. I'm ready. Wow, and

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>they fit the whole marching bands on stage with him,

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>which was so impressive. Oh no, that was me, man,

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 1>I know, oh, I know you you nailed that. That

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>got me ready to play for Syracuse.

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, so all right, let's go to uh fourteen

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 2>fourteen Virginia. So I felt like at certain points this

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>was a feel good story and then certain points like

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>who can't lose like that? And here we are Virginia

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of something dangerous as we saw dangerous in

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 2>the bowl game. Shutting out South Carolina, Bryce Perkins real

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 2>good or is it just the ultimate Bronco Menden Hall

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Pretty good? Got some issues, but pretty good team.

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Man. I think that Virginia fans, first of all, I

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 3>think that that South Carolina result was very very, very

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 3>very important because I think Virginia fans are going to

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 3>look back at this season as a big.

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>What if year? Right, big big what if year?

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Because you know, I go back to pitt being the

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 3>team that in a division race that no one wanted

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 3>to win, pitt went and got it. I think Virginia

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 3>was a much better football team than Pittsburgh this year.

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they lose those two what they lose their last

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 1>two in overtime.

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Right, They lost at Georgia Tech and then at Virginia Tech,

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 3>and like that was supposed to be the first win

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 3>against Virginia.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Tech in ten years. Yeah, and that stings real bad.

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:12.360
<v Speaker 3>They lost the game against Pittsburgh on a strange Friday

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 3>night game. By the way, Virginia will play three Friday

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 3>night games next year, is that true?

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm pulling up their schedule right now. It looks

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like Miami, Bill and Mary and then they finished for

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Virginia Tech obviously, right, and the last.

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Is anchored to that Friday. But still the Friday Night Warriors,

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 3>the Virginia Cavaliers, who would have thunk it, But they

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 3>lose that game to pit They've got those two overtime losses.

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Right at the end of the season.

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>This could have been an all time type year, Like

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 3>compare yourself to old George Welsh teams in the record books,

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 3>and I think that that will linger in the back

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 3>of the minds of Virginia fans. But if they push

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 3>past that, then it was. It was. It was an

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 3>incredible team. It was the best for team that we've

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 3>seen fielded in quite a while.

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I appreciate the patience from at least the

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>administration with Bronco Mendenhall, and he said some weird things

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>when he got the job, saying there were only like

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty ACC caliber players on the roster or whatever, and

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>it was definitely an adjustment for both him coming from

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 2>BYU and for Virginia. But the fact of the matter is, yes,

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right. I mean, they are three minutes

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>from like ten wins this year, so that what if

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>thing will sting. But it feels like a baseline has

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>been laid.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 3>I need to I need to lay myself down at

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 3>the pronunciation, Judge, Oh, I was on the Solid Verbal

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 3>podcast and I had the wrong Alamide Zakias pronunciation.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>What did you call it?

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember, but I just I remember very distinctly

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 3>looking that up, and I knew. I knew at some point,

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 3>or I hoped, I hoped at some point you would

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 3>have me back. I would make my admission and my

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 3>apology to alamadaz A Kias, who's just a fantastic player.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that UVA team was so so good this year.

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 2>They were There were two names, by the way, this year.

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 2>It was olamidz a Chias and it was who I

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>really did practice and nail for the Virginia preview before

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the season. And then it was Missou's tight end who

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>was arguably the best tight end in the SEC. Mario

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>earth Smith and Jay Sternberg.

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Are both good, but I really could not confidently get

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>to the point where I could not call him big Oh.

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I just I had to keep going with big Oh.

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not even I think his first name is

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Josh right, Gosh, I need to look this up, but yeah,

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that was the that was the big name. His first

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 2>name is Albert Oh. That's right, Albert big al Yeah,

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Albert Oh. But it's I'm looking it up right now.

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Miszoo fans are probably not listening because it is not

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>it's no, not even a.

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Try the GB and turn it into like a is

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 3>there is there something there?

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Is it? Okway? Booham? Oh? I think he got it?

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>O kway booham Okay. That's that's as good as I'm doing,

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>at least in late January. Yeah, that's where we are.

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I fell draft now or is he coming back?

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I think he's back. I think Albert Oh is back. Yeah, Yeah,

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Derek July figured out what to do with him. So

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>he'll have a role. He's ready, give me a number.

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Let's see five.

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Five, We're going awake. Who I mean, if you can

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>figure out Wake, good for you.

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>They a coaching job of the year.

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Listen, Dabbo and Dino are both like maybe outrank them,

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.719
<v Speaker 3>but in another season, I think Dave Clawson. I think

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 3>Dave Clawson had an acc coach of the year caliber

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 3>coaching season with especially with what.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>They dealt with at quarterback early on and where they

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>ended up at quarterback with Jamie Newman I think his

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 2>name was. By the end of the year, they did

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>not beat FBS teams in consecutive weeks unless you count

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Duke than Memphis in the bowl game. But I mean

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned the Dave Clausen as that dark horse guy.

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 2>If not for Dino and Dabo, can we officially write

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>down this is almost a college basketball No, it is

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>a college basketball reference. Wake Forest is a consistent bowl

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 2>program in permanent sharpie Yeah done?

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Why Yeah, I just I'm a believer like this. He

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 3>brought most of his staff from Bowling Green and now

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Mike Elko, who got poached by Notre Dame and then

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Texas A and m backed up the Brinks truck, like,

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 3>that's that's Dave's guy's reflection.

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 1>And he is.

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 3>He has continued to lose assistance. He fires his defensive

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 3>coordinator in mid to late September, it was right after

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 3>the Notre Dame game, and then he promotes internally and

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 3>the defense loses five additional starters to injury and still

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 3>somehow held this together. I think that that that was

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.960
<v Speaker 3>where when when you're building a beach and I can't

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 3>speak for everywhere, but if you build a beach house

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 3>on the North Carolina coast, you assume, based on changing

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.240
<v Speaker 3>weather patterns and the history from the last fifty years,

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 3>that at some point in a five to seven year period,

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 3>chances are a hurricane's going to come through. Now, whether

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 3>that's going to damage your house probably depends on what

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:20.919
<v Speaker 3>kind of house you build. And you know, just luck

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 3>and Wake Forest had a huge storm come through with

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 3>all the attrition that you make the staff change in

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the season, but man, they just like

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 3>and they just looked like a better football team, a

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 3>more well coached, a more well prepared football team against

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 3>NC State, against Duke and then against Memphis in the

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 3>bowl game, and I just I think that that is

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 3>an incredible reflection of where Wake's at right now. I

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 3>mean they're investing a lot right now, trying to get

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 3>the money for more indoor facilities and really beefing up

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 3>just so that this small, tiny, tiny school with a

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 3>total ro smaller than a lot of high schools in

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 3>that same county, just so that they can try to

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 3>keep up in the football arms race. I'm kind of

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 3>bullish on Wake Forest, not as a team that's going

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 3>to ever really stand all the way up to where

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 3>Clemson has set the bar in that division. But you

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 3>said permanent bowl team, and I just after this season

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 3>where they buy in any other universe, it feels like

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>they don't make a bowl game. For them to only

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 3>make it and also be able to go and win it,

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm in.

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>They made it with a negative point differential. I should

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>add as well.

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 2>It's stunning. That's really amazing. That's pretty incredible. Like you

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>can't hate on a Wake team that is at best

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 2>frisky and still making a bowl And that's great, that's

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 2>a good thing. I'm standing behind it as well. Give

0:35:52.920 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 2>me one or six or eight, ten, eleven, thirteen, thirteen. Oh,

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 2>we're talking Lolesville, which is actually a good thing to

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 2>talk right now. It would not have been fun in

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 2>mid November. They were completely uncompetitive. I think that's the

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 2>word in every way. After the Florida State game. Is

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 2>this a at all, UCF? They'll be all right sooner

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>than you realize when you see F bottomed out? Or

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 2>does this does this thing need to be gutted and

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 2>sprayed by Scott Sadderfield and his staff?

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it has to be gutted and sprayed.

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 3>I think uc it's a great reference. I hadn't thought

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 3>about that as the potential. I mean going from that,

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm not expecting the Cardinals to go on a what

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 3>twenty six game winning streak, but that's a very good

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 3>example to hold of what how quickly you can go

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 3>from bottoming out to rightening the ship?

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Now? Is Scott Sadfield Scott Frost? I don't know. We'll

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>see about that. I think that I hope I.

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Get I would like to get there, and I would

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 3>like to do a little bit of my own investigating.

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 3>There's a chance because one of the NCAA tournament regionals

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 3>are there. So if you are a Cards fan in

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 3>the area and you got any recommendations.

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Hit me up in March. Maybe I'm coming to your city.

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a top chef city right now.

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really, Oh yeah, it's top Chef Kentucky right now.

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>And they've been spending a lot of time in Louisville.

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes see.

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Now all of a sudden, all of my recommendations are

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 3>getting filled out as we've let Chip know. I think

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 3>that I think that it was just a thing that

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 3>we can look at as what it looks like when

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.919
<v Speaker 3>the bottom truly falls out at the power five level,

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:43.240
<v Speaker 3>like when everything has just completely fallen apart.

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>And it was stunning. It was.

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 3>The lack of competitiveness was amazing, and I just I

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 3>don't know if we'll see it again.

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>How about this.

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.879
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that we'll see a bottom out as

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 3>bad as Louisville in the next four years.

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it might be the worst of the five

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 1>year cycle. Yeah, I think that's right.

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's sort of like fourth year whatever

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>it was into the Bobby Patrino tenure, where recruiting can

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>fall off. Maybe his interest wanes a little bit. Maybe

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the coaches surrounding him just don't like coming into the

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 2>office they were due for. I mean, this is a

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:22.399
<v Speaker 2>router unplugged for sure. But I think with what they've

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>been able to do recruiting Florida, with what Scott Sadderfield

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 2>has done, as like for sure not a job hopper.

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 2>They're going to the complete opposite direction in terms of

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 2>mindset from Bobby Patrino. I really do like that this.

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>It feels like really good cement is being laid. Scott

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Saderfield is just one hundred percent he is.

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>He is what he is. There is no snake oil

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 1>about him. He is.

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:52.400
<v Speaker 3>He is one hundred percent what he is and getting

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 3>comfortable and finding the fit within that community is only

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 3>going to take time, you know, the time field relationships,

0:38:57.960 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the time to establish some trust.

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>But I would not bet against him.

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I would not bet against him having the Cardinals in

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:11.359
<v Speaker 3>a bowl game. I would not bet against him doing

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.800
<v Speaker 3>it in.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>The first two seasons. Yeah, I don't know if they

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 1>would go Bowl Bowl.

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 3>It might be one of those you know, bowl season,

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 3>but then maybe five and seven the next year. Yeah,

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 3>I think that in the first two seasons we see

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 3>the Cards in the bowl game.

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's right.

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm on board with that, just because it's a place

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 2>where you can retool pretty quickly, and a solid coaching

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 2>staff will only help for bowlers.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me eleven, ten, eight, six or one eight. Okay,

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>we're going eight.

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 2>We're going Boston College seven win Steve in a complimentary way.

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>By the way, is that a bummer or is it?

0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Will take it if you're a Boston College fan and

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>you're feeling that seven win Steve is a good thing.

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Right now a Boston College fan, I'm looking at the

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 3>way that Boston College finished the year with the eyeball emoji. Again,

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 3>I did not think they were very good. I thought

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.440
<v Speaker 3>they were a much better football team early in the

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 3>season than later in the season. That has not always

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 3>been the case with Steve Dazio, and I think Steven Dazio,

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 3>if I were to revisit some of his comments after

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 3>these games and during game weeks as the season wore on,

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I think he was concerned with the his team was

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 3>playing he knew that this team really could have been

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 3>a much better team than it was. And so do

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.359
<v Speaker 3>they finish with three straight losses to finish the year.

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Clemson, Florida State, and Syracuse.

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that that's a I think that that's

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 3>a season that you go back and you look at

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 3>what the personnel is and you think, man, that that

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 3>that team, that team could have been better. Now it's

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 3>tough because you know, Clemson and Syracuse are great, you know,

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 3>to maybe the top two teams, probably the top two

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 3>teams in the ACC last season.

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>But I will maintain that.

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Boston College was not playing great football near the end

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 3>of the season, and for when you got Anthony Brown

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.319
<v Speaker 3>AJ Dillon, like every everything had kind of lined up

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 3>for this to be a Boston College sleeper season, right,

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 3>and for them to run out of steam.

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Just concerning Yeah, it's like if you had told everybody

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:01.239
<v Speaker 2>before the season they beat Louisville, Miami, Virginia ack, I mean,

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:04.360
<v Speaker 2>wake but whatever, and you line up those wins like,

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 2>all right, that's probably eight nine wins, and they get

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 2>there and they I guess potentially could have if they

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>actually played in a bowl game instead of us having

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to resort to I guess fan fiction to talk about it.

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the way they finished that year, losing late

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 2>to Florida State, as weird as that sounds, can't do it.

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Can't have that by the end of the year.

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll be curious to see what the Boston College

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 3>does a pretty good job of providing, you know, a

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.919
<v Speaker 3>window into their football program, at least from the their

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 3>media distribution side.

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, just one of those places you.

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Can always expect that you're going to catch the game

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 3>right up email and I like to.

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I like to keep tabs on Boston College.

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I will be fascinated as as spring opens up to

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 3>see what kind of how Steve Dazio views this team,

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.760
<v Speaker 3>because he often does. He has a no frills approach

0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 3>and he'll he'll talk about his team very openly. He

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:04.280
<v Speaker 3>was confident going into twenty eighteen. He seemed concerned coming

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 3>out of twenty eighteen. And I think that as we

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 3>judge Boston College moving forward, particularly, you know, will they

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 3>ever crack this seven win run, Well, I mean it's

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 3>probably gonna have to take more than just the status quo.

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.799
<v Speaker 3>And the concern is if all of a sudden they

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 3>become complacent with seven wins. That's a program that's gonna

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 3>go to four and eight real quick.

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Here's the good news. Next year's non conference schedule. It's

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 2>a Notre Dame year for Boston College. But outside of that,

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>the three teams that they have, an FCS team in Richmond, Kansas,

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 2>and Rutgers pretty good.

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>How you make a bowl game? How you do it?

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Good for BC?

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's just that savviness coming through. Give me a number.

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, we've done that. We've done that, We've done that,

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 2>so we got to do eleven. We have to do six,

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>we have to do one.

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's do eleven.

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, eleven. We're talking Duke all over the place. My

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.240
<v Speaker 2>question to you why.

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Because Daniel Jones never took a step that all of

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 3>us and if you were the if.

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.719
<v Speaker 1>You were the Daniel Jones skeptic, Dan, then let me know.

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 3>Because I thought everybody else was on the same train

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 3>as me, and we believed that Daniel Jones was going

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 3>to have this this really, you know, finally back at

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 3>full health, he's become the leader of this team. NFL

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 3>scouts love his size and skill set, and I just

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was going to translate into really successful

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 3>college football performance, and man, I didn't see it. I

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 3>thought the strength of this Duke team was on defense.

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 3>I thought that they had a couple guys TJ. Roming,

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 3>Britton Brown, a couple of skill players that were pretty good.

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 3>But I rarely thought Daniel Jones had a couple of

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 3>good statistical games. But I rarely thought that he was

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 3>the best player on the field. And I thought going

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 3>into the season that there were there were going to

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 3>be at least a handful of games where Daniel Jones

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 3>looked like the best player on the field. So you know,

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 3>NFL can figure out whether that next step still is

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 3>in there, but I didn't think we saw it in

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 3>twenty eighteen.

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>The very strange thing is upon reflection of Duke's season

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:25.359
<v Speaker 2>is they open with three wins, where if they had lost, yeah,

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>credible wins. If they had lost any of those games,

0:46:28.760 --> 0:46:32.319
<v Speaker 2>you said, all right, in retrospect, that's reasonable because they say,

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 2>what they beat Army. Then they go on the road

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and beat Northwestern and Baylor, and you're like, okay, these

0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>are you know, Bowl teams on the road. Army is

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>a tricky team to play, no matter who you are

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously as we saw this year, and then lose to

0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>a down Virginia Tech, lose to Virginia, which is fine,

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>lose to pit in a shootout, lose to Clemson obviously defensible,

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 2>and then just get shelled by way for us least.

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness.

0:46:58.480 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 6>Year.

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, very strange, and but this is this is the real, uh,

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 3>the the upward bounce for Duke. So I I had

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 3>that the same feeling that I was thrown out about

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Boston College. I'm very I will be very interested to

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.719
<v Speaker 3>see what the response is. How people are talking right

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 3>coming off that Wake Forest game, I said, I am

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 3>very curious to see how Duke plays in this bowl game.

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was nothing like what we did not expect expected.

0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and David Cutcliffe, he even came out and did

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 3>the like, well, I I can't, I don't have no idea.

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 3>They we just got crushed and I don't. I don't

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>know how to explain it. I didn't expect it, like

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.399
<v Speaker 3>he just he was so sad and down and matter

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.240
<v Speaker 3>of fact about the defeat that I was very curious.

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.880
<v Speaker 3>And look, then Duke finds itself in a high scoring

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 3>shootout in the bowl game, blows him out in the

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 3>second half after half adjustments lock it down on defense.

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 3>So the upward bounce for Duke is as concerning as

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:57.840
<v Speaker 3>that lost to Wake Forest was. You at least have

0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 3>had a bounce back Bowl win to keep keep, keep,

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 3>all the all the flow going back in a positive direction.

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 2>And there're two like weird, really strange wins during the

0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>ACC season. It's Miami, You're like, okay, this is of

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 2>the the ACC's middle class, this is the defense that's

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 2>the scariest. And then at Georgia Tech, of the a

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 2>CC's middle class, this is the offense that's scariest, and

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Duke wins them both and comfortably.

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's I got I got nothing.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, same, Yeah. So we can go to number one

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>or we can go to number six, and I think

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 2>that's it six. Oh right, you're really we're sweating Clemson here.

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Georgia Tech.

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I figured that you had made Clemson one.

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Did go Clemson one in a in a slight nod

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:49.439
<v Speaker 2>to their season. So the Yellow Jackets, in very very

0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>tech form have a compelling case that they were basically

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 2>better than every large middle class of the s ACC team.

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 2>But now everything is new and we have no idea

0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 2>what that will look like. So in your estimation, how

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>far away is a Paul Johnson ideal team away from

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:15.840
<v Speaker 2>looking like a Jeff Collins ideal team.

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't put as much on the on the the

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 3>idea about a physical transformation or that offensive lineman who

0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 3>recruited by Paul Johnson are going to be incapable of

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 3>doing whatever Jeff Collins was.

0:49:33.080 --> 0:49:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I can't stand that. I really can't stand that.

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's just these are and first of all,

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.240
<v Speaker 3>not only are they at the offensive line, a position

0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 3>which has been often associated with being able to read

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 3>and react, diagnose function at a high level, but it's

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 3>also Georgia Tech students that we're talking about, Like they're

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.760
<v Speaker 3>not going to be able to learn a new scheme

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 3>or a new system, process it and figure out a

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 3>way to perform it at the best of their ability.

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I think that the like we could.

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 3>See Georgia Tech be pretty good and they've got they've

0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 3>got skill players on that team that you can figure

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 3>out how to put them in an offense. I think

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 3>that right now, immediately, what would you assume that just

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I would assume that just because of the general size

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:24.200
<v Speaker 3>of the personnel on the offensive line, that we'll see

0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 3>something spready right, and that we'll probably try to utilize

0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 3>a deep group of running backs for some hey everyone's

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:36.600
<v Speaker 3>favorite word, RPOs will figure out some way to get

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 3>it done. So I think Jeff Collins is probably most

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 3>concerned about the thing that he knows the best, which

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 3>is the defensive side of the ball, because I thought

0:50:45.040 --> 0:50:47.840
<v Speaker 3>the one place where Georgia Tech fell short this year

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 3>was that they didn't have They didn't have a true

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 3>difference maker on defense. And the best Georgia Tech teams,

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.440
<v Speaker 3>whether it's a pass rusher, whether it's a lockdown safety,

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 3>a defensive lineman at nose tackle who's able to disrupt things,

0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:07.720
<v Speaker 3>Georgia Tech's best teams often have at least one NFL

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 3>caliber player on defense, and I don't know if they

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 3>had that this year. They had a young player named

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Tray Swilling at cornerback who might be in the NFL later,

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 3>But for the most part, it was a bunch of

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:24.680
<v Speaker 3>seniors and juniors who were just fine. They were good players.

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:26.279
<v Speaker 3>They did they did enough to be able to earn

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 3>their starting job and you know, lead to whatever success

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.879
<v Speaker 3>the defense did. But I just didn't think they had

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.399
<v Speaker 3>any difference makers. And so whether that's a development, whether

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.480
<v Speaker 3>that's recruiting, you know that that is Jeff collins big

0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 3>challenge in terms of forming his ideal team is taking

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:45.880
<v Speaker 3>a defense that I thought was pretty average and making

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 3>it excellent.

0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that's right, and I in the long run,

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm terribly worried about the defense because

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 2>so much of that side of the ball is efforts

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 2>and caring and motivating and building up depth, things that

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 2>I think can be controlled by somebody who has had

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 2>really good defensive results everywhere he's went, everywhere he's been.

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 2>I am more concerned. Is there somebody on the roster

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:13.520
<v Speaker 2>who can throw the ball forward with accuracy fifteen twenty

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.320
<v Speaker 2>times a game, which is new? That's that's my concern.

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you get enough going side to side. We

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 3>really only need to get it like ten yards down right.

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:22.640
<v Speaker 1>That's fair.

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm curious, Yeah, I'm with you, But I've I

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:29.280
<v Speaker 3>believe that they'll they'll.

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:30.239
<v Speaker 1>They'll figure something out.

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Kelly Bryant couldn't get at thirty yards down

0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:35.960
<v Speaker 3>the field, that's you're a college football playoff.

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 2>He did still make the college football playoff. So now

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you have to choose either between number ten or I

0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:44.120
<v Speaker 2>believe now yep, number one.

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I think we I guess we must have already done

0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:52.879
<v Speaker 1>number ten, right, No, No ten is Miami. Oh uh, let's

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 1>go out and do number one.

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do Clemson. We'll finish out with Miami. So

0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:00.360
<v Speaker 2>okay after the Alabama game. Pretty tough to ask anything

0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 2>of Clemson right now that hasn't been pretty emphatically answered.

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 2>So is there any lurking reason deep down that there'll

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.920
<v Speaker 2>be anything but excellent?

0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 6>Is it?

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Defensive line, turnover, coaching, turnover acc getting surprisingly crazy good

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>at the top and deep at the top. Is it

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Trevor Lawrence? Does he start dating Brooks Shields? What is

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 2>what is piercing this pinata? If anything?

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:29.719
<v Speaker 1>If anything?

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 3>And I do not believe that it is something that

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I am looking for. Right It's just complacency, Okay, that's it.

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, everything else is in place, The personnel is

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:43.359
<v Speaker 3>in place, the coaching is in place. Everything's in place

0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 3>for this team to go win another national championship, and

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 3>the only thing that's going to stop him is them.

0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 3>And I'd like, there's there's probably there could be a

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:51.719
<v Speaker 3>loss on the schedule. I don't know if they're going

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:54.359
<v Speaker 3>to go on this incredible thirty and oh run right.

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, they could get caught by any of these teams,

0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 3>as we've seen even during national championship seasons, a lost

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:03.359
<v Speaker 3>of pitts out there, like you can you can go

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.800
<v Speaker 3>and you can lose a game. But I I don't

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:09.160
<v Speaker 3>believe that there's there's any reason to think that Clemson

0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.839
<v Speaker 3>will be it will be anything other than national championship

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:16.319
<v Speaker 3>caliber for at least the next two seasons there.

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:19.319
<v Speaker 2>So they're road games this coming season, as we you know,

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 2>as one does previews the fall in January, North Carolina, Syracuse,

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 2>tough road environment.

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Louisville, it's going to be a new type of

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.920
<v Speaker 1>year for Louisville, NC State. Okay, and they go to South.

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Carolina outside of the a SEC obviously, But other than

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 2>that Texas A and M game early, there's nothing scary

0:54:42.160 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 2>on that schedule, No, And like I could see Texas

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 2>A and M winning that game, sure, and that and

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and that being the the shock to the system, the

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>galvan you know, whatever, however you want to spin it,

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 2>and you're in story style, but I do I do

0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>believe that a loss right there would quickly get the

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 2>attention of a very talented team on what the task

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:04.320
<v Speaker 2>is that's ahead.

0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 1>But I I.

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Just the if you're talking about a lurking concern, and uh,

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:12.759
<v Speaker 3>I want I want to make sure that I hope

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't get him in trouble for this. But it's

0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 3>a it's a discussion that ESPN's Ryan McGee and I have.

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I've just sort of kicked around sometimes because we're both

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:27.840
<v Speaker 3>pretty familiar with the Clemson football program, the Clemson community,

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 3>the fan base, and you see a Belt.

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Bowl year is coming.

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:37.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know when, right, but how is Clemson going

0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 3>to react to Dabbo when a Belt Bowl year comes?

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.400
<v Speaker 3>Because Dabo's reaction is going to be this, I just

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 3>want to score one more point than the opponent. You know,

0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 3>He's just all all I will care about my legacy

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:53.480
<v Speaker 3>is my son's like he's he really won't be phased

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:57.080
<v Speaker 3>or concerned. He will be disappointed and he will strive

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:01.200
<v Speaker 3>to get better results. But I'm I want to see

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 3>how Clemson, the the school, and the fans react when

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 3>the Belt Bowl year comes. Because you can't can't be

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 3>in every single college Football Playoff, there's going to be

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.919
<v Speaker 3>a regression at some point, and the way that.

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 6>He snapped, do you remember that after the South Carolina game?

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.960
<v Speaker 6>I do, Yeah, that that reaction got my attention, and

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:23.960
<v Speaker 6>so I guess that's the only thing that's lurking for

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:26.799
<v Speaker 6>me in terms of like, is there is there anything

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:31.480
<v Speaker 6>negative or even like slightly shaded that you would, uh,

0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 6>that you would.

0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Say about it?

0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Is that I don't think it's coming in the next

0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 3>two seasons, but at some point a Belt Bowl year's coming,

0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:44.400
<v Speaker 3>and what happens then what's the reaction because I don't

0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if uh, I don't know how every

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 3>all parties involved would handle it. Wow.

0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that's right. And one of the

0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 2>things that's interesting to me about that sort of letdown

0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 2>year is is that when since Leeve and assistants say, Okay,

0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I've ridden this wave to this point, now I'm going

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to cash out. Not necessarily cash out, because they're obviously

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.359
<v Speaker 2>paid super well, but this is a team that has

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:14.600
<v Speaker 2>retained basically since Chad Morris left for an understandable reason

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 2>getting a head coaching job.

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:17.560
<v Speaker 1>They've retained everybody.

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:20.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott have each spent

0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 3>ten years on the staff, right, It's incredible.

0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Is there a specific reason why Clemson has been able

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:30.080
<v Speaker 2>to hold on to championship caliber assistance and other programs

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 2>in that position have not. Is it because DAP working

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 2>with Dabo is a more fun experience, Not more fun,

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 2>but a more pleasant experience.

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>What is Yes? Yeah, absolutely, it's all Dabo.

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Do you know about the This has been written about

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 3>a bunch, but in covering Clemson during this postseason run,

0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, as more and more players of different graduating

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.800
<v Speaker 3>classes continue to reference some of the same things, I'm

0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 3>going to determine that they are an influential part of

0:57:58.640 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 3>the program.

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you know about family dinner? I do so. Yeah. Yeah,

0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>once a week it's everybody.

0:58:05.920 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 3>It's every player, it's every coach, it's the coach's wives,

0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:13.520
<v Speaker 3>it's the coach's kids, it's the support staff with their

0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 3>husbands or wives or kids. Like it is an across

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.200
<v Speaker 3>the board big family.

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Tend to a table, sharing all the sides.

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Like once a week, Clemson football has a big old

0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:29.400
<v Speaker 3>family dinner, and that is a thing that has created

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 3>a work environment that everyone would rather be a part of.

0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 3>Then whatever this other option is it's incredible.

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that.

0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, hey, just treat everybody like humans and

0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 2>include people.

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Break bread with your brother and watch have some mac

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and cheese, have some chicken. That's cool. That's what it

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 1>takes to like keep a wildly successful program running at

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 1>a higher rate right now than any other programs. Family

0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:57.680
<v Speaker 1>style sides on Wednesday nights.

0:58:57.520 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Ye Family Style, Clemson Family Style, and I guess let's

0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 2>just you don't have to pick because number ten is

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Miami and all that I have in my brain is

0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 2>offense question mark as the thing that Manny Diaz now

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>faces after the lowest of low's for Miami under a

0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:20.120
<v Speaker 2>really strong offensive mind. And Mark Richt say whatever you will,

0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 2>it's probably correct, good or bad about Mark Rick. Offense

0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:26.440
<v Speaker 2>hasn't really been a huge huge issue from Mark Rick teams.

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 2>It one thousand percent was this past year. So moving forward,

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:34.080
<v Speaker 2>hiring Dani Knows from Alabama on overt in the middle

0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:37.600
<v Speaker 2>of the night, is that can that question mark be

0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 2>turned into an exclamation point?

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes it can, Yes, yeah it can. Don't.

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it happens immediately, but it absolutely can.

0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Miami can get back to having dynamic offenses. This was

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:57.600
<v Speaker 3>just wrong staff, wrong personnel, sort of bad fit from

0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 3>the start.

0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Not to mention bad luck. Uh you know, I'm on.

1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Richards career ending, brutal, oh my, and he when I'm

1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:08.840
<v Speaker 3>on Richards was playing on one leg. He was one

1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:10.760
<v Speaker 3>of the two best wide receivers in the ACC.

1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 2>He would have started. I mean I watched a lot

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of Oregon football. He would have started for Oregon, no

1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:17.240
<v Speaker 2>question about it. On one leg.

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm literally one.

1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:22.080
<v Speaker 3>Leg on one leg. So bad luck certainly should be

1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 3>mentioned as part of this. But I think it was

1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 3>a bad fit of just the that offensive coaching staff

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:28.680
<v Speaker 3>I think he brought. Did he bring Thomas Brown, the

1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:33.040
<v Speaker 3>old Georgia running back as his offensive coordinator with him

1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:36.560
<v Speaker 3>at Georgia and you know he had it was just

1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 3>it was a family affair and it was just a

1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:43.200
<v Speaker 3>bad like whatever it was just apparently was not a

1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:46.640
<v Speaker 3>great fit with the offensive personnel on that side. And

1:00:46.760 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 3>so I think about was Joe Jackson, Guys like Shaq Krterman.

1:00:55.720 --> 1:01:01.280
<v Speaker 3>I just I think about these incredible Miami defenders on Saturdays,

1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:05.120
<v Speaker 3>going out there and just continuing to take the field

1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:09.800
<v Speaker 3>after three and ounce, you know, just just what Jakwan Johnson,

1:01:09.880 --> 1:01:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Shaq Korman, Michael Pinkney, Sheldrick RedWine. Yeah, like Gerald Willis,

1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Joe Jackson, Zach McCleod, like all of these guys are

1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:20.439
<v Speaker 3>gonna be playing in the NFL. They were a phenomenally

1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:22.120
<v Speaker 3>talented group and they.

1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Got no help.

1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:25.640
<v Speaker 3>No, they not no help field position, They got no

1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:30.600
<v Speaker 3>help on like turnovers or oh, time of possession. They

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<v Speaker 3>for most of two years, they they have gotten no help.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I feel for them because that had to

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<v Speaker 3>be tough.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a good it was a very good year,

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<v Speaker 2>and by good, I mean unfortunate and bad for defenses

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<v Speaker 2>put in just terrible situations by their own life. So

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan State, Miami Cal, I don't know who I'm forgetting

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<v Speaker 2>TCU actually put out a pretty good defense this year

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<v Speaker 2>with a nightmare of an offense.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've had this in recent years. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty fifteen Miszoo team, which was somehow putting out an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible defense every week with nothing, a nothing burger on offense.

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<v Speaker 2>I always feel so bad for those guys that have

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<v Speaker 2>to just keep jogging out like, Okay, I guess we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to score, right, he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean really did they?

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<v Speaker 3>They They whooped up on North Carolina on a Thursday

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<v Speaker 3>night this year, and I think the defense outscored the offense.

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<v Speaker 1>God that there should be a specific in the way

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<v Speaker 1>that the Oscars have an award for a lifetime achievement.

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<v Speaker 1>There should be at like the I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>it's in Orlando, the College Football Awards. There should be

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding achievement in the field of defense having to do everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I would that's the that's the award. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>pull my full energy behind.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think that that's that's energy put in

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<v Speaker 3>the right place. Okay, So yeah, I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's Titmar tail or whoever, I think that dan

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<v Speaker 3>ENO's being hired by Many Diaz and Many Diaz though

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<v Speaker 3>he like Many Diaz, at his introductory press conference, announced

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<v Speaker 3>that he unfortunately had to tell all these members of

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<v Speaker 3>the offensive staff they would not be retained defensive staff.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be retaining some. Yeah, you guys are good. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys can buy and not rent.

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<v Speaker 3>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys are good.

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<v Speaker 3>But to just write off the jump spig, No, this

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<v Speaker 3>whole side of the office, y'all gotta go I think

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<v Speaker 3>that was a good, good way to identify the biggest problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And so because he's not trying too hard to.

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<v Speaker 3>Linger on any particular aspect, whether that is the player

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as as I guess they hope Tate Martel.

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<v Speaker 1>Will be able to have his eligibility waived.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know it'll happen or not, but yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they would even put effort in supporting that

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<v Speaker 3>venture means that he's willing to totally rethink everything on offense,

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<v Speaker 3>and given where things had gone, that's the right decision

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<v Speaker 3>in my book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, if you are a head coach, get your

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<v Speaker 2>guys in there. If you have any from day one,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have any sort of hesitation about anything on

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<v Speaker 2>your team, get it fixed if you are empowered to

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<v Speaker 2>do so. Don't hesitate, don't do things because you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be nice or you want to be fair. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>fire you all the same. So do it your way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad Many Diaz did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely agree.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's the acc Everything else, you know, what's

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<v Speaker 2>what's on tap for the rest of the day, rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the week, rest of the month. Are you taking

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<v Speaker 2>a vacation at all? Are you planning a special outing.

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<v Speaker 1>With the misses. What's what can people look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>in the world of Chip Patterson.

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<v Speaker 3>Well after this, I will be linking up with Barton Simmons,

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<v Speaker 3>my co host of the Cover three podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cover three Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we are putting together our coaches Megamix, where we

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<v Speaker 3>have actually scoured through all of the introductory press conferences

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<v Speaker 3>to identify the most ridiculous soundbites. Nice talk about them

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<v Speaker 3>as we in a more serious manner sort of rank

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<v Speaker 3>and review the entire coaching cycle with Rod Carey and

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<v Speaker 3>Northern Illinois needing to make a hire. We actually just

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<v Speaker 3>finished it, probably the longest coaching caresel we've had in

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<v Speaker 3>some time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I will be on.

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<v Speaker 3>CBS Sports HQ, our twenty four to seven streaming news network.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be on CBS Sports HQ at six o'clock on

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<v Speaker 3>the Sports Line show picking the evenings college basketball games

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<v Speaker 3>against the spread.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, look at you all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>On your Twitter bio it says college football, college basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>and golf.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which I'll be live blogging Tiger at Torrey Pines

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<v Speaker 3>on Thursday and Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>You could probably run for lieutenant governor in North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>and just do stump speeches talking about college sports and golf, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd get fifteen percent. No, I think that I could not,

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<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant governor. Okay, yeah, you're you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that just based on the the overwhelming number

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<v Speaker 3>of hot spots that I'm hitting with my general coverage. It's, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it runs strong. It's it's because I'm a product. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a product of my environment, and I just happened to

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<v Speaker 3>be enthusiastic about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like Will Brentson the fraud unlike him.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, listen, if he wants to claim high Point Greensboro

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<v Speaker 3>the triad all that he's he's got that, and his

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<v Speaker 3>wife Ak's got Winston Salem on lock like they they

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<v Speaker 3>they definitely have the triad. But he's uh, he's he's

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<v Speaker 3>he's still he's still working up his his bio and

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<v Speaker 3>his I t b points here in Raleigh.

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<v Speaker 1>All I know in North Carolina elected office adjustable, elections adjustable.

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<v Speaker 3>Well is it I think that? Uh, that court, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that ends. That ninth District case is going on

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<v Speaker 3>right now. Oh is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, which the way, if if any listeners have not

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<v Speaker 3>looked into or caught wind of the election fraud scandal

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<v Speaker 3>in the ninth District in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome. It's a doozy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is I don't care what your political stances are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild. Yes, so it's the best true crime.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna get a great podcast out of it in

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<v Speaker 3>about a year and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's such a good point, I think. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to stake your claim now, really for sure

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<v Speaker 2>as that local. If there's going to be a true

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<v Speaker 2>crime podcast about anything in North Carolina, even remotely related

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<v Speaker 2>to competition or sports, anything that has to be you.

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<v Speaker 3>I will give because the who it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>is one of the what do they call them, the

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<v Speaker 3>shoe shoe, leather what's the leather shoe?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the old reporter term.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a gum shoe. But that's like a detective.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like detective, right, beaten the leather. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>whatever I'm looking up leather shoe, I'm not seeing anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm sure you're right.

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<v Speaker 3>I might be mixing it up. I'm not from the

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not from the old school. I'm no madil grind.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna end up being one of the court reporters,

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<v Speaker 3>because those are the court reporters are the ones that

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<v Speaker 3>really get the juicy stuff because they don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>check as many items at the courthouse, and so they

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<v Speaker 3>can document more and sort of have a more full

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<v Speaker 3>encompassing understanding of all the movements.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It's shoe leather journalism or shoe leather reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is walking from place to place, observing things and

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to people. Unlike our very lazy podcasts flapping about

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<v Speaker 2>in the wind's entertainment man entertainment entertainment. I hope everybody

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<v Speaker 2>out there had a good drive. If you're on a

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<v Speaker 2>road trip, if you're on a flight listening to us

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<v Speaker 2>in airplane mode, if you're mowing the lawn, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing the dishes, if you're at the gym, hopefully, at

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<v Speaker 2>the very least we help you past time in an

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining way. Talking about America's Championship conference.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>They got pod They talked about podcast on CBS Sunday Morning.

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<v Speaker 3>We're big time now, Yes, all right. They had instruction

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<v Speaker 3>on how you can find podcasts, like if you laugh thing,

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<v Speaker 3>you joke, you kid, but that's an actual thing that

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<v Speaker 3>people don't know that, Oh, podcasts are free.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh podcasts are already available on your phone on an

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<v Speaker 1>app that's already there.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, hit the purple one. I don't think if

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<v Speaker 2>you asked my parents, yeah, hit the purple one is

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<v Speaker 2>not the worst way to start out. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if my parents. I've been podcasting now for over ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents if put in a room with a smartphone

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<v Speaker 2>and you said, find your son's podcast, it might be

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<v Speaker 2>tough through an app. So they love CBS Sunday Morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they've got that lesson, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Right yeah, Chip Patterson, thank you very much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>This has gone to a wonderful place and can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>To have you back. Dan, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Boom, there it is, and to nobody's surprise at all,

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<v Speaker 2>Chip Patterson fantastic. Go check out all of his work

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<v Speaker 2>to cover three podcasts, all of the stuff he does

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<v Speaker 2>for cbssports dot com and CBS Sports HQ, where you

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<v Speaker 2>can see his bright, shining face talk about all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of sports, but in particular college football. Thanks again for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Solidverbal at gmail dot com. You can follow us, of

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<v Speaker 2>course on Facebook or Twitter or wherever you like. To

1:10:14.640 --> 1:10:18.200
<v Speaker 2>consume things. Instagram is fun as heck. We did a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of halftime in postgame live Instagram feeds during the

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<v Speaker 2>National Championship and playoff semi final games, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>a great time. So if you're so inclined, check out

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<v Speaker 2>the solid verbal avenues there. We're going to be releasing

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<v Speaker 2>new shirts old shirts soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting all of those things in order, along with

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of other things that we have up our

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<v Speaker 2>sleeves that we think we are going to excite you with.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're going to be excited by those things.

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<v Speaker 2>So listen, let's all listen. Hope for the best for

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<v Speaker 2>ties mouth. It's strange to say out loud, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>standing by it because that is an instrument which, as

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell by listening to this show, we desperately,

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<v Speaker 2>desperately need or do we will do excuse me again,

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<v Speaker 2>a mega Q and a show mega Q and a

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<v Speaker 2>show coming up. I promise you we will. We've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of questions and random thoughts via email. We

1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:15.240
<v Speaker 2>will get to them Twitter, Facebook, answer and whatever. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>have all sorts of avenues. Reddit the reddit thread if

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<v Speaker 2>you missed the not the red not the threat, but

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<v Speaker 2>the subreddit. If you missed Admamine doing ESPN play by

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<v Speaker 2>play broadcaster and AMA on Reddit last week, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, from the time we're recording this midweek, we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing this on Tuesday the twenties, today the twenty second.

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<v Speaker 2>I ask nobody in particular, yes it is. If you

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<v Speaker 2>miss that, you should.

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<v Speaker 1>Go read back.

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<v Speaker 2>He had all sorts of really cool insights about what

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<v Speaker 2>it is to be broadcasting huge college football games for ESPN,

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<v Speaker 2>his path throughout his time, really exploring and growing through

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<v Speaker 2>the industry of play by play and broadcasting. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of really cool thoughts about his travels and food and

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you'd expect from our pal adam amean. So

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<v Speaker 2>be sure to check it out. And that's it. I've

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<v Speaker 2>rambled on for far too long. Hopefully you enjoyed this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>We have more conferences to come to dissect and really

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<v Speaker 2>come up with conclusive autopsies about SO four tie and

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<v Speaker 2>his mouth Somewhere in Pennsylvania for Chip Patterson, mister North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Raleigh, my name is Dan. Thank you for listening,

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<v Speaker 2>Stay solid and peace,