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Speaker 2: And and tie Hey everybody, and welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 1: Tie is alive, I swear, but only barely. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: as you know from the title of the show, we

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Speaker 2: show to look at the twenty eighteen ACC season. That's

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Speaker 2: very difficult for me to say twenty eighteen ACC season

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Speaker 2: Chip Patterson CBS Sports House life, are are things in

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Speaker 2: a chill way with you?

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Speaker 3: They the college basketball writers at CBS Sports are my friends,

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Speaker 3: Fun that we have, isn't it? Jeff Fisher was seven

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to Hey, we're staying in state. We're

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Speaker 1: Reasonable.

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Speaker 2: And one of the first things they do is they

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Speaker 1: Seven, we go to Virginia Tech. Okay, I like this.

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Speaker 3: Out, game that was supposed to be played the Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 1: But there were some young players. Hazelton. I think it

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with it. And mathematically they should just be

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Speaker 2: So the only real answer to was Pitoka in twenty

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Speaker 1: Is picking to me all right next year.

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Speaker 3: I think that it was a good reflection of paton

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Speaker 3: It's not dissimilar to what the previous expectation had been

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Speaker 3: Georgia Tech will absolutely end up in a three way

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Speaker 2: I love the Pit season just because one they win

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Speaker 2: Let's see, Okay, we're going to We're going to Florida State.

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Speaker 2: What a week it's been for Florida State. So after

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Speaker 3: I think that there might be and I hope that

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Speaker 4: So uh, like, I I will always, I will always

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I believe that we could see more examples

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Speaker 1: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen to

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Speaker 2: I'm I think that's right, and I think especially if

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? I was not good because I think

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Speaker 2: I think, outside of the of the second signing day

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Speaker 1: But who knows. Where are you at with Florida State?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I am probably the I went a little

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Speaker 3: I've been thinking about that a lot, like I really really,

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Speaker 2: So I think Florida State it would be difficult for

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Speaker 1: I think that is a value added higher.

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Speaker 2: weird dynamic in Tallahassee where you have these crazy expectations

441
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 2: that have been met relatively recently, but there is an

442
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 2: immense amount of pressure without there being the year in

443
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: and year out ten to eleven wins recently.

444
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: Right, So it's a strange.

445
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: Dynamic to me. N Yeah, Okay, give me a number.

446
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: Let's see, have we done twelve yet?

447
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: We have not done twelve and twelve was like the

448
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: feel good, cool story of the ACC season in Syracuse. Oh,

449
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: that's a great way to jump off Florida State. We

450
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: have cleansed.

451
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 2: So Syracuse actually good, right, great year in the ACC

452
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: to be consistently pretty good.

453
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: Does it matter? Do you think twenty eighteen has legs? Yes?

454
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 3: Okay, well eighteen absolutely has legs because there were like

455
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen is the first year that they were good,

456
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 3: but they were just like hanging on by a from

457
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 3: a depth perspective, right, it's it's in the growth of

458
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: the program. You know, you've you've got to have those

459
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: different levels, you know, win win, small, win, big, this

460
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 3: that or the other. But I think that this year

461
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: was the first year that we see them. And now

462
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: even if the win count takes a step back after

463
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 3: you know, Eric Dungee and the loss of a like

464
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: a very very important senior class, I think that this

465
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 3: is another example almost like a division foe of theirs

466
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: in wake Forest, where what we're going to see is

467
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 3: that the breakthrough is followed up by a really strong

468
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: stable core and Syracuse is going to be able to

469
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: sell itself to skill position players in a way after

470
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 3: this season that they would have never had before because

471
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: they don't have to sell the vision anymore. They can

472
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 3: sell the results, and that is just so empowering for

473
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: a coach who's who's still only in his first handful

474
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: of years at the program. So I think it's a

475
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: long lasting you know, I don't know if specifically our

476
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: man Tommy DeVito is gonna be the guy right move forward.

477
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: But I'm a believer in Dino. I'm all in.

478
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer as well. I think schematically they

479
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 2: do interesting things. I think they have one of the

480
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 2: very few true home field advantages in the ACC outside

481
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: of perhaps Clemson, I mean definitely Clemson, but outside of

482
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: consistently consistently it's basically just Clemson in terms of scary

483
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: places to play in Florida State when they're good and

484
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: don't have professors reading in the sunlights. So I am

485
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: buying in on Dino Babers as long as he's there

486
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: at Clemson, because essentially, even if they are consistently pretty good,

487
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: that's more than nine teams ten teams in the ACC.

488
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: That's fine.

489
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: They should be top half in the divisions, that isn't

490
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: I think a realistic expectation.

491
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: Okay, we're on the same page. So give me fourteen thirty,

492
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: team eleven, ten, eight, five, six or one.

493
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: Have I ever played for you the Dino Drop? No,

494
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: what is the Dino Drop? If you if you can

495
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: play it for me, I'll listen.

496
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see here. It is available if you want

497
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: to google it at home. Okay, but I want to

498
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: I want you to hear it. This is and just

499
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: to set close your eyes to set the context here.

500
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: This is at Dino Baber's opening introductory press conference. And

501
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: this is and he made the entire room close their eyes.

502
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: He refused to speak. He did it like I can't

503
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: remember this.

504
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Okay, that's star all right. And then it was anyway,

505
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: I'll play the Russ.

506
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: Okay, visualize this. You're in the carrier, don't the house.

507
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 5: This field, the feeling is electric, the noise is deafening.

508
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: You have a defense that is relentious. You have a

509
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: special teams that has been well coached, well yes, that

510
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: will not boddle.

511
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 5: And you have a game that's faster we've ever seen

512
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: on turf. Will open your eyes.

513
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: That's going to be a reality, that's going to be

514
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Syracuse football. That's the Dino Draft. I'm ready. Wow, and

515
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: they fit the whole marching bands on stage with him,

516
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: which was so impressive. Oh no, that was me, man,

517
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: I know, oh, I know you you nailed that. That

518
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: got me ready to play for Syracuse.

519
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so all right, let's go to uh fourteen

520
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: fourteen Virginia. So I felt like at certain points this

521
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: was a feel good story and then certain points like

522
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: who can't lose like that? And here we are Virginia

523
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: the beginning of something dangerous as we saw dangerous in

524
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: the bowl game. Shutting out South Carolina, Bryce Perkins real

525
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: good or is it just the ultimate Bronco Menden Hall

526
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: Pretty good? Got some issues, but pretty good team.

527
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: Man. I think that Virginia fans, first of all, I

528
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: think that that South Carolina result was very very, very

529
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: very important because I think Virginia fans are going to

530
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: look back at this season as a big.

531
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: What if year? Right, big big what if year?

532
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: Because you know, I go back to pitt being the

533
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: team that in a division race that no one wanted

534
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: to win, pitt went and got it. I think Virginia

535
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: was a much better football team than Pittsburgh this year.

536
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they lose those two what they lose their last

537
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: two in overtime.

538
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: Right, They lost at Georgia Tech and then at Virginia Tech,

539
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: and like that was supposed to be the first win

540
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: against Virginia.

541
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: Tech in ten years. Yeah, and that stings real bad.

542
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: They lost the game against Pittsburgh on a strange Friday

543
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: night game. By the way, Virginia will play three Friday

544
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: night games next year, is that true?

545
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm pulling up their schedule right now. It looks

546
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: like Miami, Bill and Mary and then they finished for

547
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech obviously, right, and the last.

548
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: Is anchored to that Friday. But still the Friday Night Warriors,

549
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: the Virginia Cavaliers, who would have thunk it, But they

550
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: lose that game to pit They've got those two overtime losses.

551
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: Right at the end of the season.

552
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: This could have been an all time type year, Like

553
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: compare yourself to old George Welsh teams in the record books,

554
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: and I think that that will linger in the back

555
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: of the minds of Virginia fans. But if they push

556
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: past that, then it was. It was. It was an

557
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: incredible team. It was the best for team that we've

558
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: seen fielded in quite a while.

559
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I appreciate the patience from at least the

560
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: administration with Bronco Mendenhall, and he said some weird things

561
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: when he got the job, saying there were only like

562
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: twenty ACC caliber players on the roster or whatever, and

563
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: it was definitely an adjustment for both him coming from

564
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: BYU and for Virginia. But the fact of the matter is, yes,

565
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I mean, they are three minutes

566
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: from like ten wins this year, so that what if

567
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: thing will sting. But it feels like a baseline has

568
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: been laid.

569
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: I need to I need to lay myself down at

570
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: the pronunciation, Judge, Oh, I was on the Solid Verbal

571
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: podcast and I had the wrong Alamide Zakias pronunciation.

572
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: What did you call it?

573
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but I just I remember very distinctly

574
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: looking that up, and I knew. I knew at some point,

575
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: or I hoped, I hoped at some point you would

576
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: have me back. I would make my admission and my

577
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: apology to alamadaz A Kias, who's just a fantastic player.

578
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: I mean, that UVA team was so so good this year.

579
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: They were There were two names, by the way, this year.

580
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: It was olamidz a Chias and it was who I

581
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: really did practice and nail for the Virginia preview before

582
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: the season. And then it was Missou's tight end who

583
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: was arguably the best tight end in the SEC. Mario

584
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: earth Smith and Jay Sternberg.

585
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: Are both good, but I really could not confidently get

586
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: to the point where I could not call him big Oh.

587
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: I just I had to keep going with big Oh.

588
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not even I think his first name is

589
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: Josh right, Gosh, I need to look this up, but yeah,

590
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: that was the that was the big name. His first

591
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: name is Albert Oh. That's right, Albert big al Yeah,

592
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: Albert Oh. But it's I'm looking it up right now.

593
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: Miszoo fans are probably not listening because it is not

594
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: it's no, not even a.

595
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: Try the GB and turn it into like a is

596
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: there is there something there?

597
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Is it? Okway? Booham? Oh? I think he got it?

598
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: O kway booham Okay. That's that's as good as I'm doing,

599
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: at least in late January. Yeah, that's where we are.

600
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: I fell draft now or is he coming back?

601
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: No?

602
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: I think he's back. I think Albert Oh is back. Yeah, Yeah,

603
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: Derek July figured out what to do with him. So

604
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: he'll have a role. He's ready, give me a number.

605
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: Let's see five.

606
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: Five, We're going awake. Who I mean, if you can

607
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: figure out Wake, good for you.

608
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: They a coaching job of the year.

609
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: Listen, Dabbo and Dino are both like maybe outrank them,

610
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 3: but in another season, I think Dave Clawson. I think

611
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: Dave Clawson had an acc coach of the year caliber

612
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: coaching season with especially with what.

613
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: They dealt with at quarterback early on and where they

614
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: ended up at quarterback with Jamie Newman I think his

615
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: name was. By the end of the year, they did

616
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: not beat FBS teams in consecutive weeks unless you count

617
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: Duke than Memphis in the bowl game. But I mean

618
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: you mentioned the Dave Clausen as that dark horse guy.

619
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: If not for Dino and Dabo, can we officially write

620
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: down this is almost a college basketball No, it is

621
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: a college basketball reference. Wake Forest is a consistent bowl

622
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: program in permanent sharpie Yeah done?

623
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Why Yeah, I just I'm a believer like this. He

624
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: brought most of his staff from Bowling Green and now

625
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: Mike Elko, who got poached by Notre Dame and then

626
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: Texas A and m backed up the Brinks truck, like,

627
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: that's that's Dave's guy's reflection.

628
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: And he is.

629
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: He has continued to lose assistance. He fires his defensive

630
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: coordinator in mid to late September, it was right after

631
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: the Notre Dame game, and then he promotes internally and

632
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: the defense loses five additional starters to injury and still

633
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: somehow held this together. I think that that that was

634
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: where when when you're building a beach and I can't

635
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: speak for everywhere, but if you build a beach house

636
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: on the North Carolina coast, you assume, based on changing

637
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 3: weather patterns and the history from the last fifty years,

638
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: that at some point in a five to seven year period,

639
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: chances are a hurricane's going to come through. Now, whether

640
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: that's going to damage your house probably depends on what

641
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 3: kind of house you build. And you know, just luck

642
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: and Wake Forest had a huge storm come through with

643
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: all the attrition that you make the staff change in

644
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: the middle of the season, but man, they just like

645
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: and they just looked like a better football team, a

646
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: more well coached, a more well prepared football team against

647
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: NC State, against Duke and then against Memphis in the

648
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: bowl game, and I just I think that that is

649
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: an incredible reflection of where Wake's at right now. I

650
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: mean they're investing a lot right now, trying to get

651
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: the money for more indoor facilities and really beefing up

652
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: just so that this small, tiny, tiny school with a

653
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: total ro smaller than a lot of high schools in

654
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: that same county, just so that they can try to

655
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: keep up in the football arms race. I'm kind of

656
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 3: bullish on Wake Forest, not as a team that's going

657
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: to ever really stand all the way up to where

658
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: Clemson has set the bar in that division. But you

659
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 3: said permanent bowl team, and I just after this season

660
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: where they buy in any other universe, it feels like

661
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: they don't make a bowl game. For them to only

662
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: make it and also be able to go and win it,

663
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm in.

664
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: They made it with a negative point differential. I should

665
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: add as well.

666
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: It's stunning. That's really amazing. That's pretty incredible. Like you

667
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: can't hate on a Wake team that is at best

668
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: frisky and still making a bowl And that's great, that's

669
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: a good thing. I'm standing behind it as well. Give

670
00:35:52,920 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: me one or six or eight, ten, eleven, thirteen, thirteen. Oh,

671
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: we're talking Lolesville, which is actually a good thing to

672
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: talk right now. It would not have been fun in

673
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: mid November. They were completely uncompetitive. I think that's the

674
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: word in every way. After the Florida State game. Is

675
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: this a at all, UCF? They'll be all right sooner

676
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: than you realize when you see F bottomed out? Or

677
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: does this does this thing need to be gutted and

678
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: sprayed by Scott Sadderfield and his staff?

679
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it has to be gutted and sprayed.

680
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: I think uc it's a great reference. I hadn't thought

681
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: about that as the potential. I mean going from that,

682
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting the Cardinals to go on a what

683
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: twenty six game winning streak, but that's a very good

684
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: example to hold of what how quickly you can go

685
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: from bottoming out to rightening the ship?

686
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: Now? Is Scott Sadfield Scott Frost? I don't know. We'll

687
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: see about that. I think that I hope I.

688
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: Get I would like to get there, and I would

689
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: like to do a little bit of my own investigating.

690
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: There's a chance because one of the NCAA tournament regionals

691
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: are there. So if you are a Cards fan in

692
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: the area and you got any recommendations.

693
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Hit me up in March. Maybe I'm coming to your city.

694
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: It's a top chef city right now.

695
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, Oh yeah, it's top Chef Kentucky right now.

696
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: And they've been spending a lot of time in Louisville.

697
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Yes see.

698
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, all of my recommendations are

699
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: getting filled out as we've let Chip know. I think

700
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: that I think that it was just a thing that

701
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: we can look at as what it looks like when

702
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: the bottom truly falls out at the power five level,

703
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 3: like when everything has just completely fallen apart.

704
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: And it was stunning. It was.

705
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: The lack of competitiveness was amazing, and I just I

706
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: don't know if we'll see it again.

707
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: How about this.

708
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 3: I don't think that we'll see a bottom out as

709
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: bad as Louisville in the next four years.

710
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: I think it might be the worst of the five

711
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: year cycle. Yeah, I think that's right.

712
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: I think that that's sort of like fourth year whatever

713
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: it was into the Bobby Patrino tenure, where recruiting can

714
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: fall off. Maybe his interest wanes a little bit. Maybe

715
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: the coaches surrounding him just don't like coming into the

716
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: office they were due for. I mean, this is a

717
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: router unplugged for sure. But I think with what they've

718
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: been able to do recruiting Florida, with what Scott Sadderfield

719
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: has done, as like for sure not a job hopper.

720
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: They're going to the complete opposite direction in terms of

721
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: mindset from Bobby Patrino. I really do like that this.

722
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: It feels like really good cement is being laid. Scott

723
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: Saderfield is just one hundred percent he is.

724
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: He is what he is. There is no snake oil

725
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: about him. He is.

726
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: He is one hundred percent what he is and getting

727
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: comfortable and finding the fit within that community is only

728
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: going to take time, you know, the time field relationships,

729
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: the time to establish some trust.

730
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: But I would not bet against him.

731
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: I would not bet against him having the Cardinals in

732
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 3: a bowl game. I would not bet against him doing

733
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 3: it in.

734
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: The first two seasons. Yeah, I don't know if they

735
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: would go Bowl Bowl.

736
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: It might be one of those you know, bowl season,

737
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: but then maybe five and seven the next year. Yeah,

738
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: I think that in the first two seasons we see

739
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: the Cards in the bowl game.

740
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right.

741
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm on board with that, just because it's a place

742
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: where you can retool pretty quickly, and a solid coaching

743
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,040
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744
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,279
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Speaker 1: Give me eleven, ten, eight, six or one eight. Okay,

768
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: we're going eight.

769
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: We're going Boston College seven win Steve in a complimentary way.

770
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: By the way, is that a bummer or is it?

771
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 2: Will take it if you're a Boston College fan and

772
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: you're feeling that seven win Steve is a good thing.

773
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: Right now a Boston College fan, I'm looking at the

774
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 3: way that Boston College finished the year with the eyeball emoji. Again,

775
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: I did not think they were very good. I thought

776
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: they were a much better football team early in the

777
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: season than later in the season. That has not always

778
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: been the case with Steve Dazio, and I think Steven Dazio,

779
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: if I were to revisit some of his comments after

780
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: these games and during game weeks as the season wore on,

781
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: I think he was concerned with the his team was

782
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: playing he knew that this team really could have been

783
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: a much better team than it was. And so do

784
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 3: they finish with three straight losses to finish the year.

785
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: Yes, Clemson, Florida State, and Syracuse.

786
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's a I think that that's

787
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: a season that you go back and you look at

788
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: what the personnel is and you think, man, that that

789
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: that team, that team could have been better. Now it's

790
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: tough because you know, Clemson and Syracuse are great, you know,

791
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: to maybe the top two teams, probably the top two

792
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: teams in the ACC last season.

793
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: But I will maintain that.

794
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: Boston College was not playing great football near the end

795
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: of the season, and for when you got Anthony Brown

796
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: AJ Dillon, like every everything had kind of lined up

797
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: for this to be a Boston College sleeper season, right,

798
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: and for them to run out of steam.

799
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 2: Just concerning Yeah, it's like if you had told everybody

800
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: before the season they beat Louisville, Miami, Virginia ack, I mean,

801
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: wake but whatever, and you line up those wins like,

802
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: all right, that's probably eight nine wins, and they get

803
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: there and they I guess potentially could have if they

804
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: actually played in a bowl game instead of us having

805
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: to resort to I guess fan fiction to talk about it.

806
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, the way they finished that year, losing late

807
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: to Florida State, as weird as that sounds, can't do it.

808
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: Can't have that by the end of the year.

809
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be curious to see what the Boston College

810
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: does a pretty good job of providing, you know, a

811
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 3: window into their football program, at least from the their

812
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: media distribution side.

813
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just one of those places you.

814
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Can always expect that you're going to catch the game

815
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: right up email and I like to.

816
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: I like to keep tabs on Boston College.

817
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: I will be fascinated as as spring opens up to

818
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: see what kind of how Steve Dazio views this team,

819
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 3: because he often does. He has a no frills approach

820
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: and he'll he'll talk about his team very openly. He

821
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 3: was confident going into twenty eighteen. He seemed concerned coming

822
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: out of twenty eighteen. And I think that as we

823
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: judge Boston College moving forward, particularly, you know, will they

824
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: ever crack this seven win run, Well, I mean it's

825
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: probably gonna have to take more than just the status quo.

826
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: And the concern is if all of a sudden they

827
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: become complacent with seven wins. That's a program that's gonna

828
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: go to four and eight real quick.

829
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: I agree.

830
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: Here's the good news. Next year's non conference schedule. It's

831
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame year for Boston College. But outside of that,

832
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: the three teams that they have, an FCS team in Richmond, Kansas,

833
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: and Rutgers pretty good.

834
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: How you make a bowl game? How you do it?

835
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: Good for BC?

836
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just that savviness coming through. Give me a number.

837
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: Let's see, we've done that. We've done that, We've done that,

838
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: so we got to do eleven. We have to do six,

839
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: we have to do one.

840
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: Let's do eleven.

841
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: Okay, eleven. We're talking Duke all over the place. My

842
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 2: question to you why.

843
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: Because Daniel Jones never took a step that all of

844
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: us and if you were the if.

845
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: You were the Daniel Jones skeptic, Dan, then let me know.

846
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: Because I thought everybody else was on the same train

847
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: as me, and we believed that Daniel Jones was going

848
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: to have this this really, you know, finally back at

849
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: full health, he's become the leader of this team. NFL

850
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: scouts love his size and skill set, and I just

851
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to translate into really successful

852
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: college football performance, and man, I didn't see it. I

853
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: thought the strength of this Duke team was on defense.

854
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: I thought that they had a couple guys TJ. Roming,

855
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: Britton Brown, a couple of skill players that were pretty good.

856
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: But I rarely thought Daniel Jones had a couple of

857
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: good statistical games. But I rarely thought that he was

858
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: the best player on the field. And I thought going

859
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: into the season that there were there were going to

860
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: be at least a handful of games where Daniel Jones

861
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: looked like the best player on the field. So you know,

862
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: NFL can figure out whether that next step still is

863
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: in there, but I didn't think we saw it in

864
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen.

865
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: The very strange thing is upon reflection of Duke's season

866
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: is they open with three wins, where if they had lost, yeah,

867
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: credible wins. If they had lost any of those games,

868
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: you said, all right, in retrospect, that's reasonable because they say,

869
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: what they beat Army. Then they go on the road

870
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: and beat Northwestern and Baylor, and you're like, okay, these

871
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: are you know, Bowl teams on the road. Army is

872
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: a tricky team to play, no matter who you are

873
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: obviously as we saw this year, and then lose to

874
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: a down Virginia Tech, lose to Virginia, which is fine,

875
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: lose to pit in a shootout, lose to Clemson obviously defensible,

876
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: and then just get shelled by way for us least.

877
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

878
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 6: Year.

879
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: Yes, very strange, and but this is this is the real, uh,

880
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: the the upward bounce for Duke. So I I had

881
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: that the same feeling that I was thrown out about

882
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: Boston College. I'm very I will be very interested to

883
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: see what the response is. How people are talking right

884
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: coming off that Wake Forest game, I said, I am

885
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: very curious to see how Duke plays in this bowl game.

886
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was nothing like what we did not expect expected.

887
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and David Cutcliffe, he even came out and did

888
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: the like, well, I I can't, I don't have no idea.

889
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: They we just got crushed and I don't. I don't

890
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: know how to explain it. I didn't expect it, like

891
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: he just he was so sad and down and matter

892
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 3: of fact about the defeat that I was very curious.

893
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 3: And look, then Duke finds itself in a high scoring

894
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: shootout in the bowl game, blows him out in the

895
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: second half after half adjustments lock it down on defense.

896
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: So the upward bounce for Duke is as concerning as

897
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: that lost to Wake Forest was. You at least have

898
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: had a bounce back Bowl win to keep keep, keep,

899
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: all the all the flow going back in a positive direction.

900
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: And there're two like weird, really strange wins during the

902
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: ACC season. It's Miami, You're like, okay, this is of

903
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: the the ACC's middle class, this is the defense that's

904
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: the scariest. And then at Georgia Tech, of the a

905
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: CC's middle class, this is the offense that's scariest, and

906
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: Duke wins them both and comfortably.

907
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's I got I got nothing.

908
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, Yeah. So we can go to number one

909
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: or we can go to number six, and I think

910
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: that's it six. Oh right, you're really we're sweating Clemson here.

911
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech.

912
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I figured that you had made Clemson one.

913
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: Did go Clemson one in a in a slight nod

914
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: to their season. So the Yellow Jackets, in very very

915
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: tech form have a compelling case that they were basically

916
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: better than every large middle class of the s ACC team.

917
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: But now everything is new and we have no idea

918
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: what that will look like. So in your estimation, how

919
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: far away is a Paul Johnson ideal team away from

920
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: looking like a Jeff Collins ideal team.

921
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: I don't put as much on the on the the

922
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: idea about a physical transformation or that offensive lineman who

923
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: recruited by Paul Johnson are going to be incapable of

924
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: doing whatever Jeff Collins was.

925
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: I can't stand that. I really can't stand that.

926
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just these are and first of all,

927
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 3: not only are they at the offensive line, a position

928
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: which has been often associated with being able to read

929
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: and react, diagnose function at a high level, but it's

930
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: also Georgia Tech students that we're talking about, Like they're

931
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 3: not going to be able to learn a new scheme

932
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: or a new system, process it and figure out a

933
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: way to perform it at the best of their ability.

934
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: I think that the like we could.

935
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: See Georgia Tech be pretty good and they've got they've

936
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: got skill players on that team that you can figure

937
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: out how to put them in an offense. I think

938
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: that right now, immediately, what would you assume that just

939
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: I would assume that just because of the general size

940
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: of the personnel on the offensive line, that we'll see

941
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 3: something spready right, and that we'll probably try to utilize

942
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: a deep group of running backs for some hey everyone's

943
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: favorite word, RPOs will figure out some way to get

944
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: it done. So I think Jeff Collins is probably most

945
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: concerned about the thing that he knows the best, which

946
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: is the defensive side of the ball, because I thought

947
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: the one place where Georgia Tech fell short this year

948
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: was that they didn't have They didn't have a true

949
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: difference maker on defense. And the best Georgia Tech teams,

950
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: whether it's a pass rusher, whether it's a lockdown safety,

951
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: a defensive lineman at nose tackle who's able to disrupt things,

952
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech's best teams often have at least one NFL

953
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: caliber player on defense, and I don't know if they

954
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: had that this year. They had a young player named

955
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: Tray Swilling at cornerback who might be in the NFL later,

956
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: But for the most part, it was a bunch of

957
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: seniors and juniors who were just fine. They were good players.

958
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: They did they did enough to be able to earn

959
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: their starting job and you know, lead to whatever success

960
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 3: the defense did. But I just didn't think they had

961
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 3: any difference makers. And so whether that's a development, whether

962
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: that's recruiting, you know that that is Jeff collins big

963
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: challenge in terms of forming his ideal team is taking

964
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: a defense that I thought was pretty average and making

965
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: it excellent.

966
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

967
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: I think that's right, and I in the long run,

968
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm terribly worried about the defense because

969
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: so much of that side of the ball is efforts

970
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: and caring and motivating and building up depth, things that

971
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: I think can be controlled by somebody who has had

972
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: really good defensive results everywhere he's went, everywhere he's been.

973
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: I am more concerned. Is there somebody on the roster

974
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: who can throw the ball forward with accuracy fifteen twenty

975
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: times a game, which is new? That's that's my concern.

976
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you get enough going side to side. We

977
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: really only need to get it like ten yards down right.

978
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: That's fair.

979
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm curious, Yeah, I'm with you, But I've I

980
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: believe that they'll they'll.

981
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: They'll figure something out.

982
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 3: I mean, Kelly Bryant couldn't get at thirty yards down

983
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: the field, that's you're a college football playoff.

984
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: He did still make the college football playoff. So now

985
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: you have to choose either between number ten or I

986
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: believe now yep, number one.

987
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: I think we I guess we must have already done

988
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: number ten, right, No, No ten is Miami. Oh uh, let's

989
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: go out and do number one.

990
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do Clemson. We'll finish out with Miami. So

991
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: okay after the Alabama game. Pretty tough to ask anything

992
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: of Clemson right now that hasn't been pretty emphatically answered.

993
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: So is there any lurking reason deep down that there'll

994
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: be anything but excellent?

995
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 6: Is it?

996
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: Defensive line, turnover, coaching, turnover acc getting surprisingly crazy good

997
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: at the top and deep at the top. Is it

998
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence? Does he start dating Brooks Shields? What is

999
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: what is piercing this pinata? If anything?

1000
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: If anything?

1001
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: And I do not believe that it is something that

1002
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: I am looking for. Right It's just complacency, Okay, that's it.

1003
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: I mean, everything else is in place, The personnel is

1004
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 3: in place, the coaching is in place. Everything's in place

1005
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 3: for this team to go win another national championship, and

1006
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: the only thing that's going to stop him is them.

1007
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 3: And I'd like, there's there's probably there could be a

1008
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: loss on the schedule. I don't know if they're going

1009
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 3: to go on this incredible thirty and oh run right.

1010
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: You know, they could get caught by any of these teams,

1011
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: as we've seen even during national championship seasons, a lost

1012
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: of pitts out there, like you can you can go

1013
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 3: and you can lose a game. But I I don't

1014
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: believe that there's there's any reason to think that Clemson

1015
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 3: will be it will be anything other than national championship

1016
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 3: caliber for at least the next two seasons there.

1017
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: So they're road games this coming season, as we you know,

1018
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: as one does previews the fall in January, North Carolina, Syracuse,

1019
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: tough road environment.

1020
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Louisville, it's going to be a new type of

1021
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: year for Louisville, NC State. Okay, and they go to South.

1022
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: Carolina outside of the a SEC obviously, But other than

1023
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: that Texas A and M game early, there's nothing scary

1024
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: on that schedule, No, And like I could see Texas

1025
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: A and M winning that game, sure, and that and

1026
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: and that being the the shock to the system, the

1027
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: galvan you know, whatever, however you want to spin it,

1028
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: and you're in story style, but I do I do

1029
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: believe that a loss right there would quickly get the

1030
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: attention of a very talented team on what the task

1031
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: is that's ahead.

1032
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: But I I.

1033
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: Just the if you're talking about a lurking concern, and uh,

1034
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: I want I want to make sure that I hope

1035
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: I don't get him in trouble for this. But it's

1036
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: a it's a discussion that ESPN's Ryan McGee and I have.

1037
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: I've just sort of kicked around sometimes because we're both

1038
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: pretty familiar with the Clemson football program, the Clemson community,

1039
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: the fan base, and you see a Belt.

1040
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: Bowl year is coming.

1041
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: I don't know when, right, but how is Clemson going

1042
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: to react to Dabbo when a Belt Bowl year comes?

1043
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: Because Dabo's reaction is going to be this, I just

1044
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: want to score one more point than the opponent. You know,

1045
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: He's just all all I will care about my legacy

1046
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: is my son's like he's he really won't be phased

1047
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: or concerned. He will be disappointed and he will strive

1048
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 3: to get better results. But I'm I want to see

1049
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: how Clemson, the the school, and the fans react when

1050
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: the Belt Bowl year comes. Because you can't can't be

1051
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: in every single college Football Playoff, there's going to be

1052
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 3: a regression at some point, and the way that.

1053
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 6: He snapped, do you remember that after the South Carolina game?

1054
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 6: I do, Yeah, that that reaction got my attention, and

1055
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 6: so I guess that's the only thing that's lurking for

1056
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 6: me in terms of like, is there is there anything

1057
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 6: negative or even like slightly shaded that you would, uh,

1058
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 6: that you would.

1059
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: Say about it?

1060
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: Is that I don't think it's coming in the next

1061
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 3: two seasons, but at some point a Belt Bowl year's coming,

1062
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: and what happens then what's the reaction because I don't

1063
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if uh, I don't know how every

1064
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 3: all parties involved would handle it. Wow.

1065
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: I mean I think that's right. And one of the

1066
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: things that's interesting to me about that sort of letdown

1067
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: year is is that when since Leeve and assistants say, Okay,

1068
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: I've ridden this wave to this point, now I'm going

1069
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 2: to cash out. Not necessarily cash out, because they're obviously

1070
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: paid super well, but this is a team that has

1071
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: retained basically since Chad Morris left for an understandable reason

1072
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: getting a head coaching job.

1073
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: They've retained everybody.

1074
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott have each spent

1075
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: ten years on the staff, right, It's incredible.

1076
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: Is there a specific reason why Clemson has been able

1077
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: to hold on to championship caliber assistance and other programs

1078
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: in that position have not. Is it because DAP working

1079
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: with Dabo is a more fun experience, Not more fun,

1080
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: but a more pleasant experience.

1081
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: What is Yes? Yeah, absolutely, it's all Dabo.

1082
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: Do you know about the This has been written about

1083
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: a bunch, but in covering Clemson during this postseason run,

1084
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: you know, as more and more players of different graduating

1085
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: classes continue to reference some of the same things, I'm

1086
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 3: going to determine that they are an influential part of

1087
00:57:58,640 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: the program.

1088
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: Do you know about family dinner? I do so. Yeah. Yeah,

1089
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: once a week it's everybody.

1090
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Speaker 3: It's every player, it's every coach, it's the coach's wives,

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00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: it's the coach's kids, it's the support staff with their

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00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: husbands or wives or kids. Like it is an across

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: the board big family.

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00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: Tend to a table, sharing all the sides.

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00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: Like once a week, Clemson football has a big old

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00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: family dinner, and that is a thing that has created

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00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: a work environment that everyone would rather be a part of.

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00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: Then whatever this other option is it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, hey, just treat everybody like humans and

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Speaker 2: include people.

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Speaker 1: Break bread with your brother and watch have some mac

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00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: and cheese, have some chicken. That's cool. That's what it

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00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: takes to like keep a wildly successful program running at

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Speaker 1: a higher rate right now than any other programs. Family

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Speaker 1: style sides on Wednesday nights.

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Speaker 2: Ye Family Style, Clemson Family Style, and I guess let's

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Speaker 2: just you don't have to pick because number ten is

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00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: Miami and all that I have in my brain is

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Speaker 2: offense question mark as the thing that Manny Diaz now

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00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: faces after the lowest of low's for Miami under a

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Speaker 2: really strong offensive mind. And Mark Richt say whatever you will,

1113
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: it's probably correct, good or bad about Mark Rick. Offense

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00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: hasn't really been a huge huge issue from Mark Rick teams.

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Speaker 2: It one thousand percent was this past year. So moving forward,

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: hiring Dani Knows from Alabama on overt in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the night, is that can that question mark be

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00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 2: turned into an exclamation point?

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Speaker 1: Yes it can, Yes, yeah it can. Don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it happens immediately, but it absolutely can.

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Speaker 3: Miami can get back to having dynamic offenses. This was

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00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: just wrong staff, wrong personnel, sort of bad fit from

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Speaker 3: the start.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention bad luck. Uh you know, I'm on.

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Speaker 3: Richards career ending, brutal, oh my, and he when I'm

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Speaker 3: on Richards was playing on one leg. He was one

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Speaker 3: of the two best wide receivers in the ACC.

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Speaker 2: He would have started. I mean I watched a lot

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Speaker 2: of Oregon football. He would have started for Oregon, no

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Speaker 2: question about it. On one leg.

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Speaker 1: I'm literally one.

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Speaker 3: Leg on one leg. So bad luck certainly should be

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01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: mentioned as part of this. But I think it was

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01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: a bad fit of just the that offensive coaching staff

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Speaker 3: I think he brought. Did he bring Thomas Brown, the

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Speaker 3: old Georgia running back as his offensive coordinator with him

1137
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Speaker 3: at Georgia and you know he had it was just

1138
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: it was a family affair and it was just a

1139
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: bad like whatever it was just apparently was not a

1140
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 3: great fit with the offensive personnel on that side. And

1141
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: so I think about was Joe Jackson, Guys like Shaq Krterman.

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01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: I just I think about these incredible Miami defenders on Saturdays,

1143
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 3: going out there and just continuing to take the field

1144
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: after three and ounce, you know, just just what Jakwan Johnson,

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01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: Shaq Korman, Michael Pinkney, Sheldrick RedWine. Yeah, like Gerald Willis,

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 3: Joe Jackson, Zach McCleod, like all of these guys are

1147
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 3: gonna be playing in the NFL. They were a phenomenally

1148
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Speaker 3: talented group and they.

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Speaker 1: Got no help.

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01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: No, they not no help field position, They got no

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01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 3: help on like turnovers or oh, time of possession. They

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01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: for most of two years, they they have gotten no help.

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 3: And so I feel for them because that had to

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01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: be tough.

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Speaker 2: There was a good it was a very good year,

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: and by good, I mean unfortunate and bad for defenses

1157
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: put in just terrible situations by their own life. So

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Speaker 2: Michigan State, Miami Cal, I don't know who I'm forgetting

1159
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: TCU actually put out a pretty good defense this year

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Speaker 2: with a nightmare of an offense.

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Speaker 1: And we've had this in recent years. I think it

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: was the.

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Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen Miszoo team, which was somehow putting out an

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01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: incredible defense every week with nothing, a nothing burger on offense.

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Speaker 2: I always feel so bad for those guys that have

1166
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: to just keep jogging out like, Okay, I guess we're

1167
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: going to have to score, right, he did.

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01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean really did they?

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01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: They They whooped up on North Carolina on a Thursday

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Speaker 3: night this year, and I think the defense outscored the offense.

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Speaker 1: God that there should be a specific in the way

1172
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: that the Oscars have an award for a lifetime achievement.

1173
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: There should be at like the I don't know where

1174
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: it's in Orlando, the College Football Awards. There should be

1175
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: outstanding achievement in the field of defense having to do everything.

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01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: I would that's the that's the award. I want to

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Speaker 1: pull my full energy behind.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that that's that's energy put in

1179
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 3: the right place. Okay, So yeah, I think that you know,

1180
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: whether it's Titmar tail or whoever, I think that dan

1181
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 3: ENO's being hired by Many Diaz and Many Diaz though

1182
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 3: he like Many Diaz, at his introductory press conference, announced

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01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 3: that he unfortunately had to tell all these members of

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 3: the offensive staff they would not be retained defensive staff.

1185
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: We will be retaining some. Yeah, you guys are good. No,

1186
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: you guys can buy and not rent.

1187
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: Good.

1188
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are good.

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 3: But to just write off the jump spig, No, this

1190
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 3: whole side of the office, y'all gotta go I think

1191
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: that was a good, good way to identify the biggest problem.

1192
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: And so because he's not trying too hard to.

1193
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 3: Linger on any particular aspect, whether that is the player

1194
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 3: you know, as as I guess they hope Tate Martel.

1195
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: Will be able to have his eligibility waived.

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 3: I don't know it'll happen or not, but yeah, the

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01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: fact that they would even put effort in supporting that

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01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 3: venture means that he's willing to totally rethink everything on offense,

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01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 3: and given where things had gone, that's the right decision

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: in my book.

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01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1202
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: And also, if you are a head coach, get your

1203
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: guys in there. If you have any from day one,

1204
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: if you have any sort of hesitation about anything on

1205
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: your team, get it fixed if you are empowered to

1206
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: do so. Don't hesitate, don't do things because you want

1207
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: to be nice or you want to be fair. They'll

1208
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: fire you all the same. So do it your way.

1209
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: And I'm glad Many Diaz did that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely agree.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's the acc Everything else, you know, what's

1212
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: what's on tap for the rest of the day, rest

1213
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: of the week, rest of the month. Are you taking

1214
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 2: a vacation at all? Are you planning a special outing.

1215
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: With the misses. What's what can people look forward to

1216
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: in the world of Chip Patterson.

1217
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 3: Well after this, I will be linking up with Barton Simmons,

1218
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: my co host of the Cover three podcast.

1219
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Speaker 1: The Cover three Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are putting together our coaches Megamix, where we

1221
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 3: have actually scoured through all of the introductory press conferences

1222
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 3: to identify the most ridiculous soundbites. Nice talk about them

1223
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: as we in a more serious manner sort of rank

1224
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 3: and review the entire coaching cycle with Rod Carey and

1225
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: Northern Illinois needing to make a hire. We actually just

1226
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: finished it, probably the longest coaching caresel we've had in

1227
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 3: some time.

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Speaker 1: And then I will be on.

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports HQ, our twenty four to seven streaming news network.

1230
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 3: I'll be on CBS Sports HQ at six o'clock on

1231
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 3: the Sports Line show picking the evenings college basketball games

1232
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 3: against the spread.

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Speaker 1: I love it, look at you all over the place.

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01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: On your Twitter bio it says college football, college basketball,

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01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: and golf.

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01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I'll be live blogging Tiger at Torrey Pines

1237
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: on Thursday and Friday.

1238
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: You could probably run for lieutenant governor in North Carolina

1239
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: and just do stump speeches talking about college sports and golf, right,

1240
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: you'd get fifteen percent. No, I think that I could not,

1241
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: Lieutenant governor. Okay, yeah, you're you're right.

1242
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: I think that just based on the the overwhelming number

1243
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: of hot spots that I'm hitting with my general coverage. It's, uh,

1244
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 3: it runs strong. It's it's because I'm a product. I'm

1245
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: a product of my environment, and I just happened to

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Speaker 3: be enthusiastic about it.

1247
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm like Will Brentson the fraud unlike him.

1248
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, if he wants to claim high Point Greensboro

1249
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: the triad all that he's he's got that, and his

1250
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 3: wife Ak's got Winston Salem on lock like they they

1251
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 3: they definitely have the triad. But he's uh, he's he's

1252
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 3: he's still he's still working up his his bio and

1253
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: his I t b points here in Raleigh.

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Speaker 1: All I know in North Carolina elected office adjustable, elections adjustable.

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: Well is it I think that? Uh, that court, I

1256
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: think that ends. That ninth District case is going on

1257
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: right now. Oh is that true?

1258
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: Okay, which the way, if if any listeners have not

1260
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 3: looked into or caught wind of the election fraud scandal

1261
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 3: in the ninth District in North Carolina.

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01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: It's awesome. It's a doozy.

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: This is I don't care what your political stances are.

1264
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

1265
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: It's wild. Yes, so it's the best true crime.

1266
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 3: We're gonna get a great podcast out of it in

1267
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 3: about a year and a half.

1268
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: Oh, that's such a good point, I think. I mean,

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01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: you have to stake your claim now, really for sure

1270
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 2: as that local. If there's going to be a true

1271
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: crime podcast about anything in North Carolina, even remotely related

1272
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: to competition or sports, anything that has to be you.

1273
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: I will give because the who it's going to be

1274
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 3: is one of the what do they call them, the

1275
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: shoe shoe, leather what's the leather shoe?

1276
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: What's the old reporter term.

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01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: Well, there's a gum shoe. But that's like a detective.

1278
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: It's like detective, right, beaten the leather. I don't know

1279
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: whatever I'm looking up leather shoe, I'm not seeing anything,

1280
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: but I'm sure you're right.

1281
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: I might be mixing it up. I'm not from the

1282
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 3: I'm not from the old school. I'm no madil grind.

1283
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: It's gonna end up being one of the court reporters,

1284
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 3: because those are the court reporters are the ones that

1285
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 3: really get the juicy stuff because they don't have to

1286
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 3: check as many items at the courthouse, and so they

1287
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 3: can document more and sort of have a more full

1288
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 3: encompassing understanding of all the movements.

1289
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Speaker 1: It is. It's shoe leather journalism or shoe leather reporting.

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01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: There we go there.

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Speaker 2: It is walking from place to place, observing things and

1292
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 2: speaking to people. Unlike our very lazy podcasts flapping about

1293
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 2: in the wind's entertainment man entertainment entertainment. I hope everybody

1294
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 2: out there had a good drive. If you're on a

1295
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 2: road trip, if you're on a flight listening to us

1296
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: in airplane mode, if you're mowing the lawn, if you're

1297
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: doing the dishes, if you're at the gym, hopefully, at

1298
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: the very least we help you past time in an

1299
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Speaker 2: entertaining way. Talking about America's Championship conference.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: They got pod They talked about podcast on CBS Sunday Morning.

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 3: We're big time now, Yes, all right. They had instruction

1303
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: on how you can find podcasts, like if you laugh thing,

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Speaker 3: you joke, you kid, but that's an actual thing that

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Speaker 3: people don't know that, Oh, podcasts are free.

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Speaker 1: Oh podcasts are already available on your phone on an

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Speaker 1: app that's already there.

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Speaker 2: They said, hit the purple one. I don't think if

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Speaker 2: you asked my parents, yeah, hit the purple one is

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Speaker 2: not the worst way to start out. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if my parents. I've been podcasting now for over ten years.

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Speaker 2: My parents if put in a room with a smartphone

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Speaker 2: and you said, find your son's podcast, it might be

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Speaker 2: tough through an app. So they love CBS Sunday Morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got that lesson, but.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, Chip Patterson, thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: This has gone to a wonderful place and can't wait.

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Speaker 1: To have you back. Dan, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Boom, there it is, and to nobody's surprise at all,

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Speaker 2: Chip Patterson fantastic. Go check out all of his work

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Speaker 2: to cover three podcasts, all of the stuff he does

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Speaker 2: for cbssports dot com and CBS Sports HQ, where you

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Speaker 2: can see his bright, shining face talk about all sorts

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Speaker 2: of sports, but in particular college football. Thanks again for listening.

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Speaker 2: Solidverbal at gmail dot com. You can follow us, of

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Speaker 2: course on Facebook or Twitter or wherever you like. To

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Speaker 2: consume things. Instagram is fun as heck. We did a

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Speaker 2: couple of halftime in postgame live Instagram feeds during the

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Speaker 2: National Championship and playoff semi final games, so that was

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Speaker 2: a great time. So if you're so inclined, check out

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Speaker 2: the solid verbal avenues there. We're going to be releasing

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Speaker 2: new shirts old shirts soon.

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Speaker 1: I promise you.

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Speaker 2: We're getting all of those things in order, along with

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Speaker 2: a couple of other things that we have up our

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Speaker 2: sleeves that we think we are going to excite you with.

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to be excited by those things.

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Speaker 2: So listen, let's all listen. Hope for the best for

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Speaker 2: ties mouth. It's strange to say out loud, but I'm

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Speaker 2: standing by it because that is an instrument which, as

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Speaker 2: you can tell by listening to this show, we desperately,

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Speaker 2: desperately need or do we will do excuse me again,

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Speaker 2: a mega Q and a show mega Q and a

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Speaker 2: show coming up. I promise you we will. We've gotten

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Speaker 2: a ton of questions and random thoughts via email. We

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Speaker 2: will get to them Twitter, Facebook, answer and whatever. We'll

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Speaker 2: have all sorts of avenues. Reddit the reddit thread if

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Speaker 2: you missed the not the red not the threat, but

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Speaker 2: the subreddit. If you missed Admamine doing ESPN play by

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Speaker 2: play broadcaster and AMA on Reddit last week, I want

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Speaker 2: to say, from the time we're recording this midweek, we're

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Speaker 2: doing this on Tuesday the twenties, today the twenty second.

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Speaker 2: I ask nobody in particular, yes it is. If you

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Speaker 2: miss that, you should.

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Speaker 1: Go read back.

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Speaker 2: He had all sorts of really cool insights about what

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Speaker 2: it is to be broadcasting huge college football games for ESPN,

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Speaker 2: his path throughout his time, really exploring and growing through

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Speaker 2: the industry of play by play and broadcasting. A lot

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Speaker 2: of really cool thoughts about his travels and food and

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Speaker 2: everything that you'd expect from our pal adam amean. So

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Speaker 2: be sure to check it out. And that's it. I've

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Speaker 2: rambled on for far too long. Hopefully you enjoyed this episode.

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Speaker 2: We have more conferences to come to dissect and really

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Speaker 2: come up with conclusive autopsies about SO four tie and

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Speaker 2: his mouth Somewhere in Pennsylvania for Chip Patterson, mister North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: mister Raleigh, my name is Dan. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 2: Stay solid and peace,