1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: It's almost the violation of the fans trust when you 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: have a season the way they did, you draw the 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: way you do and then huh, but. 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: Good guys, Ken, I don't know if you saw Pete 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Alonso chance at the Mets Fest or whatever they call it. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: We've been busy today, whatever they call it. Obviously, there 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: was some lines from Steve Cohen and then a response 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: from Scott Bors. Would you like to give me your 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: take on. 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: All of that. It was a very interesting afternoon at 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: the Mets Fest. So when Steve Cohen, David Stearns, Carlos 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: Mendona were Mendoza was sitting there answering questions. The fans 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: were chanting, we want Pete pie Alonzo, Pee Alonzo, and 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: Cohen basically said, hold on one minute. And then he 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: addressed the negotiations and he said, I'm not happy with 16 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: the way these negotiations are going. I'm not happy with 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: the structure that's been presented. And it seems what he 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: was referring to was the structure that Scott Boris, Peter 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Alonzo's agent, took with the free agents that lingered on 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: the market last year. Short term high average annual value 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: opt outs now that in some people's estimation is one 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: sided toward the player. The player is the only one 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: with the flexibility in that deal. The club does not 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: have flexibility. Scott Boris's argument probably would be and it 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: was actually Will Salmon if The Athletic quoted him as 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: saying this, these are the standards and practices for deals 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: of this nature. This is the way it is, and 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: it was for those four guys last year. None of 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: them had major deferrals. The Mets apparently are asking Alonzo 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: to defer some money, and for whatever reason, this negotiation 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: has gone a little bit sideways. Now, my question from 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: the beginning, I said this on the show the other day, 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: was how much do the Mets really want Peter Alonzo? 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: That really is the question, because if they wanted Peede Alonso, 35 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: in my opinion, this would be done. 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: Yes. 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: Do you think David Serves is gonna be like, oh no, 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: I don't want to spend an extra ten million, so 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: he would do it. If Cohen and Sterns were said, 40 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: we want ped Alonzo, he'd be a met That's why 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: this is such a fascinating This is the most fascinating 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: negotiation for me the whole offseason. 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. 44 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: They want him only at their price, and their price 45 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: we saw what their offer was, sixty eight to seventy 46 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: million over three years. That to me was an offer 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: they knew Peter Alonzo would refuse, and that told me 48 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: everything you need to know about where he stands in 49 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: their eyes. 50 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: Now. 51 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: Granted it was probably negotiable and they could have gone 52 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: up a little bit, but that offer, to me, he 53 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: was never going to take that. So the question now 54 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: is what are Alonzo's other options? Does he want to 55 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: go to Toronto, if indeed Toronto is an option as it 56 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: appears to be, does he want to go somewhere else? 57 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Maybe the Los Angeles Angels would get involved, the wh 58 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: I've heard they're not involved. So if his options are dwindling, 59 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: then it becomes a question of what is he going 60 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: to take. How does he get back on the market 61 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: next year if that's what he wants to do. And 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: it's just a really difficult situation that, frankly, guys, you 63 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: could have seen coming. 64 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: I think we did all year. I mean, we talked 65 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: about this. It wasn't just going to be this easy, 66 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: massive contract for Pete Alonso based on so many factors 67 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: and I think ken it goes beyond his profile as 68 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: a first baseman, which obviously does not get the same 69 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 2: love as many other positions the age, the righty bat, 70 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: first baseman, right, But to me, there's another level to this. 71 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: Steve Cohen hires David Stearns that had been talked about 72 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: for a while. He wants to let him run the ship, 73 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: right right. 74 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: Sodo was the big babble, and Sodo was the guy 75 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: because of his youth that the Mets and Cohen were 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: willing to extend for. But Cohen is not going to 77 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: simply trample Sterns at every opportunity. And I don't even 78 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: know that he trampled him in that opportunity. Sterns likes 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: younger players, like all general managers. So here's Alonso. He's 80 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: entering his thirties. He's not the most athletic guy, he's 81 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: not the greatest defender. He's accomplished a lot in New 82 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: York where a lot of other players have not. But again, 83 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: he just does not seem to be David Sterns type. 84 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: That is the issue. 85 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: Wants to put his stamp on this team. Also, it's 86 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: one thing if the Mets had a crappy year. They 87 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: had an awesome year last year. 88 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 4: He had a huge home run. He did. 89 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: But but David Stearns obviously made a lot of brilliant 90 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: moods last offseason that led to a very successful underrated 91 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: You know, we didn't see this coming, most of us 92 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 2: for the Mets. 93 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: But they still need another bat. 94 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: They do need another bat. David Sterns loves defense, and 95 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: that's where things get complicated. 96 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt. 97 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: He's well, that's why it got interesting that, that's why 98 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: it's the most negotiation. 99 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: Yes, because the fans won them. 100 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Cohen and Sterns are basically saying we 101 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: don't want them that much. 102 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: If only Scott Boris was Hereman's. 103 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: Interesting too, he is in the building. 104 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: He's here, right, Bregman, we got interesting too. And they 105 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: had their fan fest as well. Today. Their fans want 106 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman back and the Astros are trying. I don't 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: know how far it's going to get, but if I 108 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: had to bet right now, I would bet the Astros 109 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: in this negotiation. Even though they made their offer, it 110 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: was six years, one hundred and fifty six million. Jim 111 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: Crane offered that to Bregman. But if they come up 112 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: a little bit and he doesn't really have anything that 113 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: he likes as much, and I supposedly has long offers 114 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: along those lines. But again it's where do you want 115 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: to play. And if Alex Bredman goes back apparently he 116 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: played third, they'd moved Paradis to second and Jose al 117 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Tuovey would play left. That's interesting. Al tuove said today, 118 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: I will do this for Alex Bregman. I want Alex 119 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Bregman on my team. And from that perspective, that was 120 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: I felt a really cool statement. Al two Bay's days 121 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: is a great defensive second baseman are long gone, but 122 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: at the same time position change. He's a prominent player 123 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame track. I thought that was an impressive 124 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: state leftfield, left field. 125 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: They need an outfielder that would be their outfielder. 126 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: Do you think that we were talking about this on Friday? 127 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: Neither of you were on so they said, and by 128 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: that I mean you and Todd. I think agreed, right, 129 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: you say it. 130 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: You think he can get out there and do it. 131 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 4: I think he can do it. 132 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: Versus who versus Paradis going He was like, put Paradis 133 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: out there. 134 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 5: Parades Is nine years younger. If you're learning a position, 135 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 5: and I'm. 136 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: Gonna say this, have you al two VA's defense, as 137 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: Ken said, that has kind of fallen off a cliff. 138 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 4: Remember he got the yips for a while, I couldn't 139 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 4: do the ball to first. 140 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 5: He was already in sixteen when I played with him. 141 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 5: She kept it curtailed, and it was only on certain plays, 142 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 5: like if you watch all of his yippie throws, it's 143 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 5: all the same type of play when he can't keep 144 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 5: his feet moving in the right direction. 145 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: Now, Eric I should say Joe A. Spotta, the manager 146 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: of the Astros, ruled out Parades in the outfield today. 147 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: My question is, if Bregman is willing to play second base, 148 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: as he is for the Red Sox, why not put 149 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: Bregman at second base? Parades at third Parades's range is limited. 150 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: You're a better defensive team in that scenario. But they 151 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: seem to be saying that Bregman is going to play third. 152 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: Parade second l two VA left put very interesting. 153 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 5: We put Mike Mustakas in two thousand eighteen at second base, 154 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 5: Travis Shaw at second base. But what did we have 155 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 5: differently in twenty eighteen that we have that we don't 156 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 5: have now shift and you can. You can make those 157 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 5: changes a lot easier when you have the shift you 158 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 5: can put We had Orlando Arcia play more of that range, 159 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 5: and so essentially he was playing like a right field 160 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 5: when those guys were out there. Parade's played I think 161 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 5: fifty two or fifty five games at second base already, 162 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 5: but that was just when they were trying. It was 163 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 5: probably for like four or five innings until the Rays 164 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 5: made their switches and they brought in a right handed pitcher, 165 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 5: and then he moved back when they had more of 166 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 5: a left handed lineup and he stayed in the lineup. 167 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 5: So I just feel like, because he's nine years younger, 168 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 5: you're gonna have you want all three of them in 169 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: the line up. That's why you're trying to make these changes. 170 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 5: And I just think you need to try to have 171 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 5: You got to try to see what that looks like. 172 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: It you know, whould have solved all this for the Astros. 173 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker, Nolan Arnatto remember Nolan Nolan. 174 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 4: Arnado was going there and they said not yet, so 175 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: maybe he still but. 176 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: No, wait, there would have been no Parades and right 177 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: Arto said no, So they said we can get for Tucker, 178 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: we can get Parades to come play third because we 179 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: don't know about Bregman, so it's just a trickle down effect. 180 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't kind of like them though. If they end 181 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: up with Christian Walker, Parades Bregman, that's pretty good. 182 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: It's a pretty good office because Tucker is a star, 183 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 2: huge and when you get to replace him with Okay, 184 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: first base was a mess for the Astros yes last 185 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: year and really for the past couple of years, it's 186 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: a massive upgrade. That's the difference maker for me is 187 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: if you add that one more bat. Now you're looking 188 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: from last year's team this years team and you're like, yeah, 189 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: this might be a little bit better. 190 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean Tucker is a big loss obviously, but 191 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about others that will come in and pick 192 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: up some of that slack, if not all of it. 193 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have pictures right that that we saw last 194 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: year that fared really well. Fromber obviously is hitting. This 195 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 2: free agent year, Hunter Brown was really good down the 196 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: stretch for Houston. 197 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 5: Dudes, do sinkers highest some of the highest ground ball 198 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 5: pitchers in the game. You can't ask them. 199 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: Well from Per's pitching, you I won Alex Bregman in 200 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: a third. 201 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 5: Base, right. 202 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 4: That's it. 203 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, Like, you have to make sure 204 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 5: your defense is still good. You have a right handed, 205 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 5: heavy lineup that mashes in that park, but you still 206 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 5: got to you still got to pick the ball because 207 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 5: they're not like they're not two hundred strikeout a year. Guys. 208 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 2: This wasn't the biggest news, but it is news, and 209 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to mention it because we did learn this today. 210 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: Luis Garcia had a setback that we learned about from September, 211 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: so he's not going to be ready for the start 212 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: of the season. And then Lance mccullors, who unfortunately has 213 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 2: not been able to get on the field for years now. 214 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: We spoke to him last spring training, I think it was. 215 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: But I mean, especially Garcia. Here's a really good picture 216 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: for them recently, and we thought he was going to 217 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: be back opening day here, so they'll get by. But 218 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: I don't know, I just start to get concerned with 219 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: with Astro's guys going down to his injuries. Yeah, but 220 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 2: also we don't see them pop up for a while, 221 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: like you know it. They're not the most straightforward always 222 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: and open about the injuries. Through these guys. They're known 223 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: for that. Channl Rome talks about that all the time, 224 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: so you know, even Christian Hobbier. There's just a lot 225 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: of guys that we've known in the Astro's rotation for 226 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: a while where we don't know when they're coming back 227 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: and they're going to get hit with injuries just like 228 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: everyone else. And they do not, as far as I know, 229 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: have the deepest farm system either with starting pitching very thin. Yeah, 230 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: so they were astrass fans were pissed today when they 231 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: heard about that. Again, mccullors, it's been a whole deal 232 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: where they it just sounds like the chronic and all that. 233 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: I know, Hey, it sucks because he was he was 234 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: damn good. He was pitching even what was it the 235 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: White Sox series. I think was the last time he 236 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: pitched in that playoff Alds. I'm pretty sure that was 237 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: the last and he was their number one starter and 238 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 2: he was money and then he didn't pitch the next 239 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: round and I don't think we've seen him since. 240 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 4: So I was twenty one. 241 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: I was twenty one out. Yeah, oh yeah, that playoff 242 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: series in Chicago was awesome. It was electric, It was awesome, 243 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: but anyway, so you're looking at yeah, I mean Valdez, Hunter, Brown, 244 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: Ronel Blanco, Spencer, Raghetty, Hayden Msnski who was acquired in 245 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: that Kyle Tucker deal but really hasn't established himself yet 246 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: as a starter. So anyway, that is a hit. I'm 247 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: just saying. The Al West is no doubt, you know, 248 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: obviously going to be a little more interesting, even though 249 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: Mariners continue to just sit around. But the A's got better. 250 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: One thing also to watch in the coming weeks here 251 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: about the Mariners. Yeah, they're still talking about Castillo. The 252 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: Padres are still talking about cease and I don't know 253 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: how this shakes out, and I don't know where the 254 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: Padres are going. They've just lose Profar who's a big 255 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: part of that team. But besides the starting pitchers who 256 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: are still available, Flowerty, Paveta, et cetera, you have those 257 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: guys out there. The teams are looking at and evaluating 258 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: and thinking about, all right, what's the price in the 259 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: trade versus the price of a free agent? Which picture 260 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: do we like better. There's a lot going on on still, 261 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: even though it's man late January already, so it could 262 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: be a couple of interesting weeks before spring training. 263 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: That's because a lot of teams haven't done anything yet. 264 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: They're gonna, they're gonna do something, and they need to 265 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: do Yeah. Yeah, they're waiting for Price is. 266 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: Not afraid to make late season No, I know ready, 267 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: he traded Kimberle. He got traded for kimberl and Upton late. 268 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: Last year or the season. 269 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but something's going on there when you Obviously 270 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: san Diego doesn't bring back Profar, but the ceased thing 271 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: we've talked about a lot on our show. I don't 272 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: know if we've gone over it that much with you, Ken, 273 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: It's not like he's making thirty million dollars this year. 274 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: He's making I think it's thirteen in change, and he's 275 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: he could be a top five side young guy coming 276 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: into this season. To me, that's the difference maker with 277 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: san Diego. I'm like, if they trade him, what's the 278 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: plan this year? 279 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: Well? 280 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: And also if they trade him, their rotation beyond him 281 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Darvish and Michael King as awfully thin as it is. 282 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: So that's the question. Where is San Diego going? Are 283 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: they taking a step backward this year? What are they doing? 284 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: And of course their ownership question hovers over the whole 285 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: thing with Peter Siler's widows suing Peter Sidler's brothers for 286 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: control of the team, and that's something that is not inconsequential, 287 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: no matter how much the Padres might try to tell 288 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: us it's business as usual, No way, it's not business 289 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: as usual. If Peter Sidler was still running the team, 290 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: it would not be like this. It would be different. 291 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: They might be cutting payroll, they might be doing some things, 292 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: but they be aggressive. Then this way is not. 293 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 4: Well, it's a shame for me. 294 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 3: It's a shame, real shame, because that place is unbelievable rocking, 295 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: and if they're the only team in town, they got 296 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: the fans one hundred percent behind them. They were so 297 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: close to beating the Dodgers last year, and now they 298 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: have to take another step back after taken what people 299 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: thought it was a step back last year. 300 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, their payroll actually is up from last year because 301 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: of some raises cease and of course the rise wasn't 302 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: really part of the payroll for the full year last year. 303 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: But they clearly are not being all that aggressive now. 304 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: One team we haven't talked about in this regard, and 305 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: we should. I couldn't ask Pat Murphy about this because 306 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: it's not his situation. Yeah, actually it's not even bad Arnold's. 307 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: He's the GM. Milwaukee Brewers have the same payroll projected 308 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: as last year. They went to the playoffs, they had 309 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: a pretty good year. They've traded their closer, Devin Williams. 310 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: What are we doing? And that's a team that I 311 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: don't believe is going to spend much more, if anything. 312 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: And they brought in Granted nest to Court to junior 313 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: and Chad Durbin for Devin Williams. But my gosh, you've 314 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: lost Devin Williams. 315 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: They also lost their shortstop. Yeah, a big loss. 316 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: I know they have Joey or Tis and they've got 317 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: great infielders Bryce Terraang, but man, you can't make up 318 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: his offense. And that's a team that, in my view, 319 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: is not taking enough heat. 320 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: Do you think they're kind of testing how bad the 321 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: division could be and how they even. 322 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 5: I agree, and I don't think they worked that way. 323 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: But spoke to someone else here Brewers wise, and we 324 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: don't do much. People think we're going to be bad 325 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: and then we're good. 326 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: That's always the case, that's true. And last year myself included. 327 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: I was like, these guys, no counsel, no Corbyn burn Ye, 328 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: it turns out from a lot of the year, and 329 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: look what they did. They blew away the division. So certainly, yes, 330 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: they can look at that, but it catches up. 331 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: We said that about forever they've had bound ye ye, 332 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: it got to catch up to you at some point. 333 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: Different though, it's the divisions. I'm telling you, Cardinals are 334 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: taking a step back. The Pirates aren't doing anything as usual. 335 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: The should should be better and the rep should be better. Yes, 336 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: but it's not like we're looking at either of those 337 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: teams going they're gonna be. 338 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: They're the Dodgers, right, yeah, no chance. 339 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: And the Brewers have a good farm system. That's what's changed. 340 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: I think there was a long period of time where 341 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot coming up for them, and nowadays 342 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: there is. 343 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 5: I think the guys they had for a long period 344 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 5: of time, the guys they had, they just sent him 345 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 5: up there and they put them in a good situation. 346 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 5: They it wasn't a good farm system. Now they're actually 347 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 5: having dudes come up. When you have Churio coming up, 348 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 5: when you have the catcher Kiro coming up, you have 349 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 5: you have. 350 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: Different guys Misaki yea dude with the flamethrower. 351 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 5: L arms a ski. 352 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: Are good, but just just saying I mean, I feel 353 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: like they not it's not jaded, but they kind of 354 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: look around. They're like, well, this seems to keep working 355 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: for us. But that's what you're saying, you know. And 356 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: they did sign Reese Hoskins last year. He was okay 357 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: for them, and that was a. 358 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Late, fairly late signing. 359 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I feel like they always kind of hit 360 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 5: on like some type of late I had bragman going 361 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 5: there if he goes with a one year deal. Now 362 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 5: obviously all this stuff right runs ago. 363 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: But Eric, I want to see it. I want to 364 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: see it because to me, it's almost the violation of 365 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: the fans trust when you have a season the way 366 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: they did, you draw the way you do and then huh, 367 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: but good guys again. You could do it for so 368 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: long and maybe I'm wrong and maybe they do it again, 369 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here for the way I was last year, 370 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: but it just seems to me, man, they should be 371 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: doing it at least something, and they really have not 372 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: done much at all, if anything. 373 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 5: Do you think you're talking about the pictures. Do you 374 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 5: think those trades are holding up the free agents? We 375 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 5: just had Jeff Flaherty on Jack was very he was 376 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 5: very voisterous, vocal about his displeasure of how. 377 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 4: It's going on. 378 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 5: What's going on? Who's holding who up? 379 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: That's a great question, Eric, and I don't know the answer. 380 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: I do believe that what we see from teams their behavior, 381 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: and this is true of the bullpen markt too. The 382 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: longer they wait, the better leverage they have. And that's 383 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: the game they're playing. And people ask, well, is that collusion. 384 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: It's not collusion, but they all think alike. So they're 385 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: all doing the same thing. And you can talk about 386 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: the Mets and Alonso and the Astros and Bregman. Let's wait, 387 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: let's wait, and obviously the scales of leverage shift and 388 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: perhaps the clubs get a better deal. Now, that's just 389 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: the way the game is. And front offices have gotten 390 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: a lot more shrewd over the years and more efficient. 391 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: And they're thinking it's kind of annoying from an outside perspective, 392 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: and it's certainly annoying from the player's perspective. But that 393 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: seems to me what is going on here. It's a 394 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: waiting game and they're saying, we'll keep waiting and you'll 395 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: drop your price. 396 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: And it's bad for business. But front offices don't care. 397 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: I always care people, it's not their job. 398 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: It was a good deal. They want to be able 399 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 4: to go to the owner and take it. Look, I 400 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 4: got a great deal. 401 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 2: On this, got a great deal, and they want to 402 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: win more games. Nothing else matters. 403 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: All that deferred money. And were you surprised, Yes, I 404 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: was surprised, but that was a product of waiting him 405 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: out that Jay's knew he wanted to be there, and 406 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: eventually they got to a price where they were comfortable. 407 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: See, was that the only offer he had? 408 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that age because why 409 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: would he It's the best offer. 410 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: Every massive deferrals. 411 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 4: No, I saw that. 412 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: But it's crazy to me because he said the Blue 413 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: Jays knew he would get he would he wanted to 414 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: be there. 415 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: Wait, think about it, I mean he signed what a 416 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: week ago ish, it's mid January. If a team that 417 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: is aggressive really wanted him, they would have done it. 418 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: All right now. There are times I should say this 419 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: where players want deferrals for a variety of reasons, and 420 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to explain, and each case is different, 421 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: but that might be part of it here. But at 422 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: the same time, in a perfect world, come on, he 423 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: wants the up front money. Everybody does. 424 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Yeah, last one real quick, an Asher's topic. 425 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: We didn't get to, but it sounds like Ryan Presley's 426 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: kind of waiting and we should sound like that's going 427 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: to happen. 428 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 429 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: I think he'll go to the Cubs. Yeah, he should. 430 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 4: He'll be the man there closer. 431 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: Yes, he was not happy when they brought in hater 432 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: over him, and you can understand where he's coming from, right, 433 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: These guys had an amazing postseason record for them. He's 434 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: been tremendous. We know Josh Haider's Josh Hater, but any player. 435 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you, guys, this pride and 436 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: his pride was wounded. And now yes he can go 437 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: back and be Ryan Presley, back of the game for 438 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: the Cubs. 439 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. 440 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 4: I know. 441 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: I think Chandler even told us the other day Detroit 442 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: might have been involved. But however, whether it was a 443 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: worse offer or he doesn't want to go there, he's 444 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: got full no trade, so he can decide where he 445 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: wants to go, and. 446 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: There's a tax problem that he's having, or at least 447 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: a tax issue that might be holding this up a 448 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: little bit because no state taxes. Oh yeah, Texas state 449 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: taxes in Chicago, and generally players want that even doubt 450 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: when they're waving a no trade. 451 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: And that's fair, very fair. Yeah, exactly, and that's stuffs 452 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: normal though that happened, right, yes, absolutely, okay, cool, All right, 453 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: well there are all your updates from today. Yeah, there 454 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: was actually a lot of news just based on those 455 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: fan fests. And the last thing I'll say is I 456 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: will give credit to the Ashers and the Mets for 457 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: providing some transparency to fans. You know, they're there obviously 458 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: to please the fans, entertain them at these things also 459 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: sell tickets and you can't just sit there. Some do 460 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: in other fan fest We've seen it where they just 461 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: give you a cookie cutter answer. Those were like real 462 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: news bites today from both sides. 463 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 5: So some teams even really skip out. 464 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: Right they don't have them, yes, which which is another 465 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: thing that that needs to change. Yes, yeah, we used 466 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: to have them basically for all thirty yes, right, yeah. 467 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now you don't always have executives standing up there 468 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: answer questions, but yes, there needs to be much more common. 469 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: That's very cool.