1 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Cowboys. 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Anthony dor set De, Montrey More and New. 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: He scrugs. 8 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 4: It is time for the Players Lounge Here as we 9 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: ended getting ready to enter the bi week for the 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys. 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 3: Anthony Dorsett is here. 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 4: We've got mister forth and Long in the house, Jesse 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 4: Holly in the house. 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: He's here. I merely knew. 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 4: He scrugs and carry on the conversation. This show has 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 4: brought to you buy Aristocrat Gaming. So Players launds a 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 4: little bit different today. Church is out doing church things. 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 4: It's the only he. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: Can do rich people stuff. When you when you're gifted 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: the bag from shod Con, you should do that. Yes, 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: So that. 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 5: Shot Con and Jerry Jones Mary picked up two bags. 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: In Church, Church's mind, it is all shod Con. 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: That's how That's how he explained. 25 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 4: Hey, look man, shot Con and the owner of the 26 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: jaguarshers blessed many a person, blessed many a person. They've 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: been so bad that he just you get you get 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: it mad. You're right right, Oprah, we we oprah. We 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: know we have to pay you extra to come down here. 30 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 4: So and so you know I'm not mad at church. Baby, 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 4: go ahead do that thing. So shot, con I just 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 4: admabe you should say that, man, Holiday call it every year. 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: Hey, I just want you, but thank you. 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 2: I hope you do it well for sure, sames my life. Yes, 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: generationally yes. 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: So all right, now that you've had an opportunity to 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: digest it, I'll start with you, Anthony door scept your thoughts. 38 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: On Quinn Williams being here with the Cowboys. 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 4: A difference making football player definitely a need in this building. 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: And it couldn't It didn't have to just be Quinn Williams. 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: It just needed to be a difference maker on defense. 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: But my whole thing is now with this is like 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: what actually is going to be salvaged with the rest 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: of the season. Now, it's a good thing that he's 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: still in the contract with He has like three years 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: left on his deal, so it's not a temporary thing here. 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: He's actually going to be here. But looking at it, 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the structure of it, where what 49 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: are they three five and one at this point. Sure, 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 2: you know, so I don't know mathematically, you know, and 51 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: and still being second in the division, fortunately for them 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 2: with this division being so weak, but mathematically, I don't 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: know what that's actually going to be able to do 54 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: as far as like getting through the playoffs and getting 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: into the playoffs and everything else like that. Hopefully he 56 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: comes in it has that impact that you talk about, 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: but you know, it was definitely in need here, but 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: it just seems like it's too late. You give up 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: a first round pick and the second round pick, you 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: still don't have a pass rush when you have Michaeh 61 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: Parsons in here. I think you still might have had 62 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: a first round pick. You probably could have kept Micah 63 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: here and still gone out and get Quinning. You might 64 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: not have been able to pay both of them, but 65 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: there was a possibility for something like that to happen. 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: And once again we're still talking about no pass rush. 67 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: We got a great run stopper, but I read coming 68 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 2: in here outside in the hallway that he's like the 69 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: ranked the last d tackle when it comes to pass rush, 70 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: where he's number one when it comes to run. 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: Un stuff, run stuff, tied at fourteen. 72 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: All right, So picking up just on what you said there, 73 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: and here's a challenge for where the Cowboys are just 74 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 4: looking in terms of losses, because a lot of the 75 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 4: losses have. 76 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: Been right here in the NFC. 77 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: So you lost to the Eagles, NFC, You lost to 78 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 4: the Bears NFC. You lost of the Packers NFCI. I'm sorry, yeah, 79 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: you're tied, tied, Todd, you tied the Packers, thank you. 80 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: You lost to the Commander, I mean the Carolina Panthers. 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers. You beat the Commanders, and then you lost 82 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: to Arizona. So some teams that could be right there 83 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: when you're talking in terms of those playoff matches, you've 84 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 4: lost to them and they really don't have much, you know, 85 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: leeway along the way with the rest of the. 86 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: Schedule, which is after the bye week. 87 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: Raiders, Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Chargers, Commanders, Giants. All right, Jesse, 88 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: you give me your thoughts on Quinn Williams. That's the 89 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: big trade, the big the big Cahounan. 90 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: Right. 91 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 5: The trade itself was a phenomenal trade. I think this 92 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 5: is one of the guys that we've been chasing since 93 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 5: Jay Ratliffe in my opinion, you haven't had a physical 94 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 5: guy in the middle of this defense, uh since Jay Ratliff, 95 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 5: And some will say, look, you know, Leroy Glover, you 96 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 5: they're going, you know, back to that. This was we 97 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 5: had to get now for tomorrow. I don't think this 98 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 5: season is salvagable, right, but you go when you get 99 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 5: a player that, now you can see him in this 100 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 5: unit for the second half of the season, and. 101 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: What a good. 102 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 5: GM would do and say, Okay, we have him, Let's 103 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 5: see how he looks with these guys, and now how 104 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 5: do we build around it? 105 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: Gotcha? 106 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 5: How do we start building it around it? Because look 107 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 5: across the league at the good defenses in this league, 108 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 5: you need to have A players, not eight, but eight 109 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 5: A plus players, and then you surround them with a 110 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 5: couple of bees over here, a couple of seeds over here, 111 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Maybe high the f if 112 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 5: he's over there somewhere. But but the better part of 113 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 5: it is I have layers of different level players and 114 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 5: then when I put them together, the a's make the 115 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 5: bes go higher, the bees make the seeds go higher. 116 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 5: And now we're flirting around it being top fourteen thirteen 117 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 5: to twelve defense. 118 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 4: And I know what my offense is going to be. 119 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 4: So let me ask this question to both. Y'll start 120 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: with you, Jesse is Quinn Williams now the best player 121 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 4: on this defense, hands down, not even close with our question, 122 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: not even close. 123 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: Yea, it's not even argument. I think that Cloud only 124 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: played his best game that he's played last week. If 125 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: you watched the if you watched the video Clowney showed up, 126 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: you said the ads, you made some good plays and 127 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: everything else like that on defense. But when it comes 128 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: to that difference maker that you talked about, this this 129 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: is definitely the difference maker. He's number one on if. 130 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 5: You're looking at elite players, like if the level is elite, 131 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 5: he's the closest thing to the elite ceiling. And I 132 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 5: don't think there's a lot of other jokers who are 133 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 5: even on the same floor. So he's the closest. When 134 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 5: you talk about position wise, I mean he's top five 135 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 5: at that position. You look at, it's Quinnen, It's it's 136 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: Sexy Dexy, it's Jones, Kansas City, Jeffrey Simmons. 137 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 3: And it's one more that I'm missing. 138 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: I can't uh an interior dude, but he's in that conversation. 139 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: Right right when you when you when you when you bump, 140 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 4: Phillips used to say, if his name make the head 141 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: of the class, didn't go take long to call the 142 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: role the cover right right right, He's there, Okay, he's 143 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: he's on the metal state. 144 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: He's right there. Okay. 145 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: So if Quinn Williams is your best player, who is 146 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 4: your second best player on defense. 147 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: Right now, You're gonna have to go. Probably it's gonna 148 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: be up front. It's gonna be Kenny Clark. And if 149 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: it's not Kenny, if it's not going to be him, 150 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: it's going to be the line the linebacker today bringing 151 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: in because like right now, what we've seen on the 152 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: defense side of the ball, like everybody is struggling at 153 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: every position right now, you know, So. 154 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 5: To me, right now, it's not even as a Rocco, 155 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 5: here's a second blessed defensive player. 156 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: So just all right, if you take as a Roku 157 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: and you take Kenny Clark, at least you can say, 158 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: if you're mad ebraflues, now I have the formations of 159 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: what it could possibly be a defensive line as you 160 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 4: go the rest of the way. That could help because 161 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: because so much we saying, how can you help as 162 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: a ROCU getting better as you know, a rookie. You 163 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: guys know in this league, man, the toughest year you 164 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 4: have is that first one because you don't know what 165 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: you're getting into. 166 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: He's I mean, like watching him on a video, he's 167 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: still he's still learning. He's highly athletic, first of all, 168 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: you can recognize that. And he's strong, you know, at 169 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: the point of attack. But I don't think that so 170 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: far that his play has equal the numbers have equal 171 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: the amount of play, if what I'm saying. So like, 172 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: he's made plays, but he hasn't made that many big 173 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: impact plays yet. 174 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: All right, So so you got that, and that's just 175 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: moving forward. 176 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: As I'm trying, I'm trying to be a positive in 177 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: a really you look at the schedule a non positive 178 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: situation here. I think this year is lost. But as 179 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: you're going forward, you've got what is the plan? How 180 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: do you start to use these guys? Figure it out 181 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: right now, figure out the rest of the half of 182 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: the year what you have so you know, going into 183 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 4: free agency and what's left in the draft where you 184 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: plug these holes to try to get yourself better next year. 185 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 4: And it sounds as though Matt eber Flus will be 186 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: back because Jerry did his radio show yesterday said he 187 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: made a mistake and having three defensive coordinators over there 188 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: straight years. 189 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 5: Which by the way, wasn't totally Jerry's fault, right because 190 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 5: and then here's why, here's why, here's why. And trust me, 191 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 5: I'm not the one that's gonna that's gonna put the 192 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 5: cape on for Jerry. You were losing down dan Quinn 193 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 5: unless you made him your head coach. 194 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: That was happening. 195 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 5: He went and got a head coaching job. He didn't 196 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 5: leave on another DC job. He went to become a 197 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 5: head coach. So unless you were planning on flying Mike 198 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 5: at that time, Mike Michael from Pittsburgh, dan quit was 199 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 5: going right then when you had Zim, Zim made it 200 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 5: very clear, I want to be a head coach. I'm 201 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: not working for this kid. What do you have to do. 202 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 5: So it wasn't as if the DC's had a choice. 203 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 5: They had a choice, but it wasn't like Jerry. His 204 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 5: choice was make them the head coach or lose them. Okay, 205 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 5: so let me so that that's two of them, right, Like, 206 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 5: So now, Matty Ebra Flew's different story. 207 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: Here's where I'll counting. 208 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 4: Okay, so Dan Quinn left, Joet Junior told me he 209 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 4: wanted the job. He was already in the building. Yeah, 210 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 4: he's here. He was with Q when they put in 211 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: the pieces. He knew what to do, but they didn't 212 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: want to give him a job. 213 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: Okay. 214 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 4: Another guy who was here in the building eight and 215 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 4: dirty right now, he's the defensive coordinator of Seattle. 216 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: I damn good team. I've got too. 217 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 4: I think everybody's sitting there saying hmmm wow. So you 218 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 4: had two guys with institutional knowledge of the organization and 219 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: you said no. I heard some people say, well, you know, 220 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: Jerry doesn't like first time coordinators. 221 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: Really, I'm sorry. What was Kellen Moore? What was Jason Garrett? 222 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 3: What was Brian Stewart? We've seen this happen before. You 223 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: brought in Mike Zimmer. My issue with Adi've heard me 224 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: say it on the Players hundred four. 225 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: You brought in a dude who wins with big people 226 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 4: up front, You got little people. You got a guy 227 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: that you know and you like, but you're not giving 228 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 4: him the pieces that he needs. Meanwhile, you passed on 229 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 4: two guys who knew and understood the pieces. 230 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: So Mike Country to you was just Jerry. He could 231 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: have stayed in house. 232 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 4: You look at San Francisco, Demiko Rance takes over coordinator, 233 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: then he goes to become a head coach. I mean 234 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: you have Salah, the Sala left, the Demico took over. 235 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: I mean they just kept on fuling people who knew what. 236 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: And that's how most organizations do it. 237 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: Ding ding ding. 238 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 5: Well, they said, Belichick kept bringing you played with Beltry. 239 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 5: I mean, look look at Detroit. Try's like, we ain't 240 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 5: gonna go to the building the next game. You up 241 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 5: your turn. Next guy up. That's how you build a tree, right, 242 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 5: That's how you begin to build your trees. Right, all right, 243 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 5: next guy up? 244 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 4: You played at Carolina. You know what it is we're 245 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 4: teaching you. Absolutely, you played in it, You've been around it. Hey, 246 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 4: you coach, you coaching it? 247 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: Right? 248 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 5: So yeah, absolutely, I'm just saying for those guys, it 249 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 5: wasn't like he pushed those the head guys like the 250 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 5: DC's out. Now to your point, yes, he won one 251 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 5: hundred percent. Could have went inside. Now, there may be 252 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 5: some other things that's deeply rooted in that don't know, right, 253 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 5: don't know. The one thing that I've kind of noticed 254 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 5: there's been a little bit of a trend with Jerry 255 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 5: and hired at least on the defensive side. 256 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 3: Maybe a lot of times if he. 257 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 5: Ain't your friend or he ain't really familiar with you, 258 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 5: I don't think he really want to take that shot. 259 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 5: That's that's been where and wrong or right. That's just 260 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 5: feels like the trend that he works with. If I'm 261 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 5: going to hire a coordinator or you know, if this 262 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 5: head coach doesn't come in and have is the coordinator 263 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 5: of that particular side. You know, with Wade, he was 264 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 5: a defensive coordinator, right, so like Jason, he became an officer. 265 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 5: If you're not like this with the Jones family or 266 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 5: Jerry Jones in some of those instances, you get overlooked. 267 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: But they didn't know Dan Quinno. 268 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 2: It's it's hard to say, like what it is because 269 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: of ads, Like you've been in the building, You've been 270 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: in the building for a long time. Me watching from 271 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: the outside all the time, I'm like, is the point 272 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: of emphasis not on the defense at all? You know? Yeah, no, 273 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: And it's clear and it has been clear for a 274 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: number of years. 275 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 5: Defense don't sell tickets. 276 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: Hey, but defense wins championships. 277 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 5: Defense don't sell teach and I understand. 278 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: So, like the game has definitely changed to a high 279 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: high scoring point and game and everything else like that, 280 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: but you still had to have somebody out there. If 281 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: you go on blow for blow, I guess you could 282 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: say who gets the ball last? Whoever getting the ball last? 283 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: On offense, that defense is going to have to know 284 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: how to stop somebody, you know. And at this point, 285 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: you know, it goes back to what I said weeks ago. 286 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: I've never seen a big name linebacker in here. I've 287 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: never seen the face of the defense be like some 288 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 2: dude who is like like a London Fletcher, like like 289 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner. You don't. You don't see those type of 290 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: guys in the middle of this defense here. 291 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: That goes back to Jimmy Johnson's philosophy. 292 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 4: Jimmy has basically, I'm putting my putting, my picks and 293 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 4: my money up from the front end. 294 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 3: In the back end. 295 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: That was how Jimmy did. I'll fill in the middle 296 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 4: with guys. I mean, I think when Jimmy was here, 297 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 4: they use a first rounder on Robert Jones out of 298 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: East Carolina, but after that they really didn't. And even 299 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 4: when they brought in Kenny Norton, they let him go. 300 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: They drafted Kenny and maybe second, second or third round, 301 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 4: but then you know, when it's trying to pay him, 302 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 4: they let him go and he went to San Francisco 303 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 4: and won that Super Bowl twenty nine with the forty 304 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 4: nine ers. But but that's never been their deal in 305 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 4: terms of paying a guy. Now, they did draft Lake 306 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 4: Van de sh so they used on him. He's a 307 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 4: second rounder on Sean Lee, but and unfortunately they paid Sean. 308 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 4: Sean just stayed hurt. 309 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: Both of these dudes out the league because of injuries. 310 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: You know, they never they never materialized to be drafted. 311 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: Bruce Carter Cruse Carter from Carolina was second, another guy 312 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 4: who had injury. So uh with Jams Smith, David Smith, 313 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: you know, another guy with injury. So so they used 314 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: they've used high picks on him, not really first a 315 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: lot of the times there were just some issues. 316 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: But no, there's never been a hey. 317 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 4: Man, we about to go draft junior, sayout man to 318 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: come in here be a lot, but that's not that's 319 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: not that. 320 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: And so there's no and so like we said, this 321 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: week's ago. There's no identity to this defense, and that 322 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: there has not been one in years. 323 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: But if you change coordinators every year, how can you 324 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: get in that? 325 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: Do you know what it's about the guys that are 326 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: in the locker room. It goes back to that, like 327 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: you could change coordinators. And I understand, like if we're 328 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: building a three to four and we got to have 329 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: these type of dudes and we're building structurally like big, 330 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: big guys, But at the same time you're going out 331 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: there and you're finding big guys that play football, you're 332 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: not finding big system guys. You know, That's not what 333 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: I'm looking for as as a I'm looking for somebody 334 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: that if anything happens, this dude can get to the ball, 335 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: he can play football, and it doesn't matter what scheme 336 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: he's in. 337 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: We're gonna take a break. 338 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 4: I want to go back to what you're saying right here, 339 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 4: Anthony Door said, because there was once a philosophy going 340 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: along with what you're talking about, but they went away 341 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: from it. 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Anthony Dorsett has been there 389 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 4: taking his son out there to catch at show. 390 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 3: Jesse Holly, have you been out there yet? 391 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 2: Man? 392 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 3: I have done? Okay, I'm tell you right now. Man, 393 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: it's good show. Man's free. I know it fits the Holly. 394 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 5: Jesse Holly, Yeah, yeah, you're talking about it. Talk about 395 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 5: a philosophy. I can tell you philosophy. If it's free, 396 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 5: it's for me exactly, all right, I fit the Jesse 397 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 5: Holly philosophy. 398 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 4: Former Cowboy Jesse Holly, here, I'm new. We strutch by 399 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,239 Speaker 4: the way, we skip before we get back to the 400 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 4: football Carolina basketball. He was right about homeboy from Europe. 401 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. 402 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 5: Come on now, I think I think you forgot something 403 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 5: going down there. 404 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: I need it. 405 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 5: Danguary third would be they'll be here Danuary third. 406 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: Really that's North Carolina a sec right, yes, yes. 407 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 3: What time? It's a night game? Flying back in. 408 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 5: All right, Pete, I'll beat That's what I go get 409 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: get the credictionals going past right right right right right. Yea, 410 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 5: we setting up a nice little dinner now because you 411 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 5: got a bunch of guys. 412 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 3: You got Mac Tar's here by loved me back to mac. 413 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 5: In Jiji. 414 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: Well you talk about that. 415 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 4: You ever see that that that skit that Eddie Murphy 416 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 4: did on on Chappelle's Show, and it was it was 417 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 4: a real life story with Eddie Murphy's truth. I mean, 418 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 4: Charlie Murphy. I'm sorry, Charlie Mury, Charlie Murphy's real story. 419 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 4: Let me get Rick James mac Tar should have one 420 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: man where Mac Tar just sit around here and tell 421 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 4: you stuff he's seen in the league and stuff. Well, 422 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 4: I tell mac Tar got stories he does he does 423 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: story man. Yeah, it's not the Happy Birthday to Jerry 424 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: Stockhouse too, Today's birthday Stack. Okay, yeah, we got we 425 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 4: got a nice little I'm Prittley's. 426 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 3: In North Carolina. 427 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 5: Man, People like joke around and they talk about like 428 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 5: when you hear the stories of like Stack, like Stack 429 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 5: ain't want to be he ain't wanted to be trifle with, 430 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 5: like Stack ain't want to be trifle with, like like. 431 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: Sta. 432 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: I hate for Jerry that I was there covering the 433 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: maps when they went to the finals and No. Six 434 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 4: and Jerry was on that team and they were up two, 435 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 4: they were up two oh on Miami had beat Miami 436 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 4: two oh that season and in Game three they're up 437 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 4: thirteen with six minutes to go and end up blowing 438 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 4: that game and then lost four straight. I hate the 439 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: stack never got a ring with the tar Heels or 440 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 4: in the NBA, because he was definitely a player worthy 441 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 4: of it. 442 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: If Jerry Stackhouse made FeelA look good. 443 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: Hey, Jerry, he was one of He was one of 444 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: my He was one of my favorite players at one 445 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: point in time. He was a baller, you know. And 446 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: North Carolina just got I mean, y'all, y'all got hoop history. 447 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's gonna think about Jordan, but I mean 448 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's names to go way beyond Jordan. 449 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And if you're a true 450 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: basketball fan, so shout out to you bro that that right, 451 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: there is some history and it's a great. 452 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 5: Dron Blank gave me flashbacks on Saturday though, Phil Real, 453 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 5: Ralph Jerry, Phil Real just forget it against. 454 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: Not five stop stop Lee five and Loan Charlotte stone 455 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: Man West Charlotte's home man Jeff mcinnon. But going back 456 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 4: Lenny Rosebluth Man back back there in the fifty seventeen 457 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 4: to beat Wilf Chamberlain double overtime win Na's championship man. 458 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: A lot of history, history, A lot of history, man, 459 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: a lot of history. I love me se Carolina basketball. 460 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 4: So all right, by the way, Jesse Holly played there 461 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 4: playing the national championship team won all two thousand and five. 462 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: Be the very very good Illinois team led by Darren Williams. 463 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 3: That come a good team. 464 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: So Anthony Dorris said, we're talking about the Cowboys, and 465 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 4: you were talking about, you know, the kind of players 466 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: and so. 467 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: You know, a philosophy. 468 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: When Bill Parcells got here as head coach man, he 469 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 4: went to them and he talked about first thing he wanted. 470 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 4: He wanted guys who were captains, guys who loved football. 471 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: They didn't want troublemakers. He had guys at a team 472 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: no time for that. 473 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 9: Man. 474 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: He wanted guys who was serious. 475 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 4: And so that's where they started drafting people like Swago 476 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 4: Marcus Spears, national champion in LSU who played for played 477 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: for Nick Savan They went out there and drafted to 478 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 4: Kevin Burnett, who was a captain at the University of Tennis. 479 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 4: He drafted adjacent Whitt and they started drafting these kind 480 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 4: of dudes. 481 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 3: That fit what Bill wanted. 482 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 4: Their football players are about that life and they were 483 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: already leaders where they were at, Dudes that he ain't 484 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 4: had to sit around here worry about. They won a 485 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: bunch of knuckleheads out there, and those guys were good. 486 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 4: He had substance, not flashed and sizzle. He wasn't drafting 487 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 4: to Randy Gregory. Okay, Randy Gregory would have come around. 488 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: Bill Parcells was here. That's what he was looking for. 489 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 4: DeMarcus Ware, you know, Terrence Newman, who he didn't want 490 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 4: but he ended up. 491 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: You know, that was his kind of guy. 492 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: Dad Wyn who was already hed he want that win, 493 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 4: but he said, okay, this he caught that a football 494 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 4: playing guy. They played the kind of football that he won. 495 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 4: Parcels left. They got away from it. You don't see 496 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: those kinds. You see the Randy Gregory's of the world. 497 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: You see the Mazzie Smiths of the world. 498 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 3: You know, a guy like. 499 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 4: Mazzie Smith who was traded to New York. You have 500 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: to identify that. You have to identify, dude, do you 501 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 4: like this or not? 502 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: I love it. 503 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 5: There's one critique that I have about Jerry Jones, and 504 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 5: sometimes when it comes to the evaluation of certain things 505 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 5: is I get the process of group think. I understand that, 506 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 5: but I also under like I don't need everybody's opinion. 507 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 3: I don't Rod Marinelli, I don't prime example, Rod Marynell 508 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: coaching like correct like Tristan Hill. He's like, I want 509 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: Tristan Hill. 510 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 4: So Tristan Hill was a Group five guy UCF, and 511 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: his last year there they basically the coaching staff was 512 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: tired of him, so he wasn't starting. It was up 513 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 4: and down, and the coaching staff was led by Josh 514 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 4: Heipel who's now at Tennessee. 515 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: Well, if a dude is at UCF. 516 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 4: And it's spotty and he's not playing, you're not using 517 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: the second round pick on it. But what they did 518 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 4: they decided to go ahead and go to Scott talk 519 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 4: to Scott Frost who left the Nebraska Scott Frout. But 520 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: I liked the guy man, that was all good. So 521 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 4: you did that then Mary Nelly, Hey, I like Taco Charleton. 522 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 4: Can he fit the scheme over TJ. 523 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: Watt. 524 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 4: And if you go out to what Parcels was doing. 525 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 4: Parcels look at a guy like TJ. Watt and said, well, 526 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 4: that was the Big Ten defensive player of the year. 527 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 4: Guy been balling every year, He's been got pedigree. He 528 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: come from them, you know what I'm saying. 529 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 5: And I think that that's the part where it's like, 530 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 5: let your scouts do what they do best, right Like, 531 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 5: you know, hey, coach, what type of player are you 532 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 5: looking for? Right now? Coach? Okay, you know I write 533 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 5: this down. Okay, he wants this guy, this guy, this guy, 534 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 5: this guy cool. 535 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 3: I got you. 536 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 5: Then let Will and his staff deploy them out to 537 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 5: go and find a guy. But when you when you 538 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 5: start allowing everybody to have a voice in this situation, 539 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 5: you get Taco Chalcon, you get uh, you get players 540 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 5: that you can't, you get a Masi Smith, you get 541 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 5: these type of collaborations. Yeah, And that's like that's the 542 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 5: one thing at times, like as much as Jerry has 543 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 5: this alpha mentality about certain things, and you know, I'm 544 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 5: the GM and I'm gonna make the I don't you 545 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 5: need a group collaboration on certain things when you play 546 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 5: for the Raiders is mister Davis a collaborator. 547 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: Ad was gonna make that call, and he didn't care 548 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: who had what to say about it and who didn't 549 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: like it, or if they did like it. It was 550 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: gonna be he was gonna make that final call regardless. 551 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: And you know, like you talk about the evaluation process here, 552 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 2: one of the things that I've always noticed and I've 553 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: always thought is like, and I've said this before, everybody's 554 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 2: viewing through the same binoculars regardless if you're getting if 555 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: you're not taking the advice from over here or taking 556 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: it from over there. Like at the end of the day, 557 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: it's nobody honestly saying like, I ain't seeing what you're seeing. See, 558 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: And that's what needs to be said. It's been too 559 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: much tiptoeing around this building and instead of beating around 560 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: the bush, sometimes you gotta go straight through it. And 561 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: that's one of the things that has not been done here, 562 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: at least on the defensive side of the ball anyway. 563 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: You know, the accountability that when it comes to like 564 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: when I hear these dudes talk about you know, I 565 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: was here with this coach, and I was here with 566 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: that coach and this was going on and that was 567 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: going well. Damn. Like when you recognize that and you 568 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: part of it, you got to be part of the change. 569 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 5: But that's the thing is that you're bringing people in 570 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 5: here or that doesn't that don't come from a pedigree, 571 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 5: that don't come in here, Like you're not you're not 572 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 5: bringing Ray Lewis in here, who has spent twelve years 573 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 5: in the Baltimore Ravens organization. I remember a couple of 574 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 5: years ago, this might have been maybe five six years ago, 575 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 5: tell Us Benett brother Michael Bennett. Yes, Michael Bennett came 576 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 5: in here, and Michael Bennett was here for thirteen seconds, 577 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 5: two seconds and was the leader because he came and 578 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 5: it was like wait, this dude just got here, and 579 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 5: he's like, man, what the what are y'all doing? Yeah, 580 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. That was somebody who came 581 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 5: from something and knew what it took to win it all. 582 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 5: And when he got here, the dudes who were supposed 583 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 5: to be your leaders here, they tucked that tail and 584 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 5: he was telling them like man and that. But what 585 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 5: ended up happening was. 586 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 4: He got he was the outcast because the large majority 587 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 4: of the group looked at. 588 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 3: Him, like what you're doing all right? 589 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 5: And so so that's the type of mentality that you 590 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: have to get in here. And you don't have enough 591 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 5: of those guys in here. You don't have enough of 592 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 5: I love football dudes in here. You have enough. You 593 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 5: have a lot of dudes in here who like football, 594 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 5: who like what football brings. You don't have enough lovers 595 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 5: of the game like And that's a that's a that's 596 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 5: a very distinct difference. And I know people say, well 597 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 5: that Prences's that's a great leader. That's not going to 598 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 5: the other side of the defense. He worried about his 599 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 5: side of the ball, right, Like he might say some 600 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 5: things here and there, But there's not enough of those 601 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 5: guys in this organization. When you're talking about the guys 602 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 5: of those nineties teams, right that tells me. Nate tells 603 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 5: me all the time. Like Nate was like when Charles 604 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 5: Haley came over, he was like the say Tod Nate said, Man, 605 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 5: I think you're a really good player, he said, but 606 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 5: I watched you the first on field, first six game 607 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 5: in the season, you were good. The last seven games 608 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 5: of the season, you were trash. You know why, you fat? 609 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 5: Slowing out of shape. He was like, we ain't gonna 610 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 5: win if you if you are starting whatever, and you 611 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 5: that way, we ain't gonna never win. And you and 612 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 5: you and you and you and you and you. 613 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: And now everybody started getting in the line. Right now. 614 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: You had a bunch of people. 615 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 5: Jimmy brought a bunch of people in here that loved 616 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 5: the game of football. There's a lot of people in 617 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 5: this world. There's not enough people on this football team, 618 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 5: from player number one to play number fifty three. 619 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 4: There was also fear loss when Jimmy was here. Yes, 620 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 4: guys knew that you could get cut. Jimmy would tell you, 621 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 4: I'm drafting your replacement. So so guys knew. 622 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: What was up. 623 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 3: In the Garrett Ears. 624 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: There wasn't that people had jobs, come to camp, had 625 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 4: a job. I remember what year, man, it was like 626 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: day two they gave Romo day off, day two. 627 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: What do we do? It's day two or three? Said 628 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: what are we doing? 629 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 4: And and so you just saw there was no there 630 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 4: was no fight for jobs. It's just you know, it was. 631 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: It was. 632 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: It was. But it's the same culture here, and it's 633 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: just different faces and different names. It's the same culture. 634 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 4: And yeah, so guys know where they can doing end 635 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: around on certain certain areas and get what they want done. 636 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: But and I go back to the thing of what 637 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 4: we're talking about. Man, there's there's a lot of style. 638 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: But substance. It's a challenge. 639 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 4: It's a challenge when we're talking about what is the 640 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 4: substance of things and where they go what they need 641 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 4: to do around here. But they at least have got 642 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 4: an elite player now on defensive. 643 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 5: And here's the thing about quinn though, right like he 644 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 5: comes he brings elite talent. I don't know if Quinnin 645 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 5: brings elite leadership. 646 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: I don't. 647 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: I don't. 648 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 5: I don't want to question his leadership. But he's coming 649 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 5: from the Jets organization. He's coming from a very dysfunctional organization. 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This this was I was gonna say, 727 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 4: right there, this is the smartest thing. Okay, we talking 728 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 4: about Hey man, we get job backed. 729 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 3: The kid just balked. 730 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, the cowboys helped him out. But how what's the 731 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 4: best way to not bench Kyler Murray and calls any. 732 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 3: It Maybe you need to get healed. Yeah, you know, 733 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: trying to rush you. Man, you got this contract, long career, and. 734 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 5: Collin sits like color is he is emotionally fragile, Like 735 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 5: he's a fragile dude, Like mentally you start to you know, 736 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 5: he's like, don't yell. 737 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 9: Let me. 738 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 5: I can't take you yell. And I can't take being 739 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 5: you know, I always lie when they had the gaming 740 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 5: clause in his contract and then no we didn't have 741 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 5: Yes you did, yes, you did that. 742 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: That didn't just you didn't. 743 00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: Oops. 744 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: That ain't the oops. 745 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, you're right, you're right, right, But but 746 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: so so it's this very interesting guy after you know, 747 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 4: Bressett looked like, you know, black Tom Brady here at 748 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 4: ATC standing say, man, you and if the head coach 749 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 4: you out again, you're you're you're you're against it. 750 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 3: No, no, no, you lost four straight, you lost the 751 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: home to Tennessee. 752 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 4: You look bad in and find you one hundred grand, 753 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 4: you up against you trying to win and rally your troops. 754 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 4: And so I wouldn't be going to Kyler Murray found him. 755 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 4: I trust Jacoby Brissett. My tidend looks like he's lethal 756 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 4: that because Brisett's finding the ball now, Marvin Harrison's out 757 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 4: here balling. 758 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: I know it's the Cowboys. They make it my career. 759 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 3: David Hey see if he can do it again. 760 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, putting Kyler, that's no coincidence. Ain't no coincidence 761 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 4: right there, because you guys both played in the league. 762 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 3: If you hurt and ain't need you, you're good. You're good. 763 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 2: Tell clear clearly. 764 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 5: The drugs they got good drugs and drugs in them 765 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 5: training rules. 766 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 3: They want you out there, Yeah, they want you out there. 767 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: They put you out there. 768 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 4: So okay, Anthony Dorse said you had a had you're 769 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 4: ready to lay it on us here right before with break. 770 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: So I want to make sure you had time to 771 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 3: breathe and get it out there. 772 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so before we went to break it was 773 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: the whole thing about building teams and having guys to say, 774 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 2: come from some type of winning program and being able 775 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: to I guess you could say kickstart your program too 776 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: as well if they coming to the Cowboys from a 777 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: super Bowl team. And you always see at the end 778 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: of the year with whoever goes to Super Bowl, whether 779 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: win or lose, those teams get dismantled because everybody wants 780 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 2: a little piece of whatever that that that that culture 781 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: was that they had to win and get to the 782 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: get to the super Bowl. Now being a part of 783 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 2: being in Tennessee, all right, and I could I could 784 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 2: truly tell you that that like my first three years there, 785 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: we were basically an average team. Okay, we went a 786 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: and eight if we did, you know, maybe nine, but 787 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: we never got passed, never got to the playoffs, and 788 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: there was never anything going on like that. All right, 789 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: So we build this team and of course we got 790 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes on the team that Jesse talks 791 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 2: about that love to play football, all right, But at 792 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: the same time we were a highly competitive team that 793 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: was when the teams that like, I don't know if 794 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 2: it probably never went on here, but dudes were getting 795 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: in fights in individual meeting rooms. All right, Yeah, that's 796 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: how competitive it was. Okay. But it was one of 797 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: those things where you had so many vets on the 798 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 2: team that they wasn't afraid to call nobody out like 799 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: Charles Haley, you know, and let you know like, hey, 800 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 2: this is I ain't asking this from you because I 801 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: want this from you. This is what we need from 802 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 2: you for us to be able to be successful and win. Okay, 803 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: So going to the Raiders, right, Raiders hadn't been to 804 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl playoffs and now don't know how many 805 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: years before I got there, But I'm coming off the 806 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: Super Bowl and that's all I know, and that's all 807 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about, right, So get out there many camps 808 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: and everything else like that, and I start preaching it. 809 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 2: Then hey, look, let's start getting this in our heads 810 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 2: right now about trying to get to the postseason and 811 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: da da da da. And in the beginning, it was 812 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: dudes out there sucking at like they didn't want to hear, right, right, 813 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: and so like, but every day I stayed with it. Okay, 814 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: and so finally one day somebody did something and I 815 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: was like, look, man, whoever doing that? Just stay out 816 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: here with me after practice. Reagan upshaw name that y'all 817 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: might remember, might not remember, d Lineman. Reagan stands up 818 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: and was like, yeah, anybody got a problem with this 819 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: right here we're trying to build. Stay out here and 820 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 2: let's talk about it. And then from there it start 821 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 2: to filter through guys, all right. And it just didn't 822 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: go from like me to this guy. It went through groups, okay, 823 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 2: and then the accountability amongst ourselves became to like, hey, look, 824 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to go home in January first, all right, 825 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to see that. So what do we 826 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: have to do amongst ourselves to change this culture? Whether 827 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: it be just keep talking about it or put the 828 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: work in to do it. And we eventually were able 829 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 2: to do both. And so I say that to say, 830 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 2: you know, like granted, I had come from just fresh 831 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 2: out the Super Bowl, but at the same time, like 832 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't part of no big program, We hadn't had 833 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 2: all these years of winning or anything else like that. 834 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: It was just the spirit that I had about me 835 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 2: as that pit. We went six and five every year? 836 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: Did I want to go six and five every year? 837 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 9: Now? 838 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: But it's what happened. But was was I not in 839 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: a champion mindset? Had I not been raised by a 840 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 2: dude who has played at the highest level and seeing 841 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 2: certain things, you know what I'm saying. So like it 842 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: was it's just a part of you as a player. 843 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 2: And you know, like I know, when you're out here 844 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 2: coming from where we came from, Lake Brown Drive pick 845 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 2: not getting drafted at all, Everything that you do is 846 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 2: a fight daily to get better. Everything you got something 847 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: to prove every time you walk in the building. Come on, man, 848 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 2: and so like, even in this building, I don't care 849 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: how many stars out here wouldn't been through here. These 850 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 2: men got an obligation to get better every time they 851 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 2: step foot in this building. Yeah, And. 852 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 5: You're absolutely right. And you come from and are cut 853 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 5: from an entirely different cloth than what the modern players 854 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 5: cut from. You have some that are cut from that cloth, 855 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 5: but overall, and I'll leave his name out of this, 856 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 5: But when the Cowboys came back from training camp and 857 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 5: they had their training camp practices here, Okay, I'm down 858 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 5: on the sideline and I'm watching practices. This particular player 859 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 5: is not a star, not even close to being a star, 860 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 5: not even close. And he's out and he's hurt. And 861 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 5: as practice is literally going on, not not stretching, not 862 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 5: you know, just a little stuff before practice is literally 863 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 5: in the full swing of things, he's holding up the camera. 864 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 5: He grabs a camera from another one of the videographers, 865 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 5: and while practice is going on, he's doing that, and 866 00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 5: there was nobody. There was nobody that was like, hey, bro, 867 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 5: what are you doing. There wasn't a coach, there wasn't 868 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 5: a veteran player. And now this particular play, he's not 869 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 5: a star, he's a rotational piece, special teamer at best, 870 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 5: and he's hurt. And instead of him being in his 871 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 5: coach's side pocket learning to what's going on so that 872 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 5: he's ready to go when it's time to. 873 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 3: Go, he thought that was OK. 874 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 5: And guess what, a very high official in the Cowboys 875 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 5: organization was standing right there on the sideline and he 876 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 5: never said a word. And so this is what you're 877 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 5: asking for, is that you're asking for a level of 878 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 5: mentality that has not been developed here because the guy 879 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 5: who is a special teamer and a backup to the 880 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 5: backup at best, thinks that it's okay to do certain 881 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 5: things and know one is here to check them. 882 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 3: I remember this. 883 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 9: This, this. 884 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 4: That mentality leads me to a time when the only 885 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,319 Speaker 4: time the Cowboys got pulled off Sunday night football game 886 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 4: got flexed and and then they went to play at 887 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 4: one o'clock. New in here but you know it's one 888 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 4: o'clock came and they asked Jalen Smith, you know your 889 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 4: thoughts about you know, concern embarrassing? He said, hey, man, 890 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 4: owner ain't tripping, We ain't tripping, got it? 891 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 3: Okay? You cool playing at one o'clock with everybody everybody 892 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 3: else and right there, hey, he just told you Jerry cool, 893 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,320 Speaker 3: we cool. No, no Sunday night game. Get home. I 894 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: get home to night and go can't get it. It's 895 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 3: something like okay, okay. 896 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 4: By the way, you guys, thoughts about Draymond Green called 897 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 4: dak Press got a bone. 898 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 3: I'm not wasting that, you know? 899 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 9: For me? 900 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 2: When when when I when I saw it, and and 901 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: and then the first thing that popped into my head 902 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 2: was his Michigan State highlights of him trying to play football. 903 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 2: All right? That was that was the first thing that 904 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 2: popped into my head. But then the second thing that 905 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 2: popped into my head is that Draymond Green actually plays 906 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 2: basketball just like the average football player. Does. You know 907 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, as far as like Jesse got true 908 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 2: basketball skills, but most of us gonna get out there 909 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 2: and play like Draymond dude, like kicking people, flailing all 910 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 2: over the place. 911 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 3: Horn school. 912 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 5: But but you know, it just goes I should think 913 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 5: his lucky stars every single whatever god he believes. 914 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 2: Because role players are not You can't you really can't 915 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 2: be a role player in the NFL. 916 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 4: Marcus Spears said this, it's a bit rich coming from 917 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 4: Draymond Green, who's played with arguably a top five the 918 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 4: top five player to ever play in the NBA. 919 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 3: Come out and say that like he's been the catalysts. 920 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't even yeah, because come on, like Dremond, 921 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 5: you got a chance to play next to the arguably 922 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 5: the greatest shooter to ever pick up a basketball. You 923 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 5: played with Kevin Durant, you play with Clay when he 924 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 5: was in his prime. Dog, you just you got to 925 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 5: pass the ball, Relax. So I mean, there's certain things 926 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 5: you shouldn't even really. 927 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 2: I think it's a gang of gang of football players 928 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 2: right now. They could go shut him down on the 929 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 2: basketball court at any time if they wanted to. I 930 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 2: don't think that he's as skilled like that to honestly 931 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 2: be like, you know, to be running his mouth like that. 932 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 9: All right. 933 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 4: See, you guys are professional former professional players in the 934 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 4: media now. So so let me ask you this, when 935 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 4: did it get to the point in time where athletes 936 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 4: who played feel the need to just insult to another 937 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 4: level of other professional athletes in different sports? 938 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 2: They got safe out here for several years social media. 939 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 2: It then used to be this safe. You used to 940 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 2: can just run your mouth with no consequences, But now 941 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 2: it's it's it's pretty safe out here for a lot 942 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 2: of dudes, you know what I'm saying. And so that 943 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 2: being said, you know, like I don't know how many 944 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: times Draymon and and that gonna be in the same place. 945 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 2: But I don't know if Dak is that guy to 946 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,439 Speaker 2: actually do that anyway, But I played with some dudes 947 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 2: that that wouldn't have to say nothing here. 948 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 5: The thing about Draymond knows who and what he knows 949 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 5: who to do that to. He know who to say 950 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 5: that to. Draymond wouldn't have said that in Charles Oakley Prime. 951 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying. Draymond wouldn't have said that 952 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 5: in Dale Davis's time. 953 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 2: He ain't gonna say that about oh now. 954 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 5: Like like you you watched the mentality of who and 955 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 5: even when Draymond is wolfing in the court like the 956 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 5: guy he socked it correct, like you know what I'm saying, 957 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 5: like you know who to do like that is the 958 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 5: definition of a bully. Like that is the legitimate definition 959 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 5: of a buddy bully. He knows exactly who to pick 960 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,919 Speaker 5: fights with and to mess with European dudes on the court. 961 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, got it. 962 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 2: And once again, I'm gonna go back to his football highlights. 963 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,320 Speaker 2: That's out there for everybody to see. All right, we 964 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 2: saw it. You know what it is too. 965 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 5: I ain't see Dreamond saying he won't do that to 966 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 5: you dollars hastling. He wouldn't do He would have did 967 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 5: that to z Bo. 968 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 2: Hey, what's what's my man's name in the NBA? That 969 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 2: is the UFC fighter and everything else like that. 970 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,319 Speaker 5: He's a he's a backup on the Indiana pace. 971 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, he don't do that to him. 972 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 2: Ain't nobody talking. He won't do that. 973 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 3: No, no, he know, young brothers coming out the stands. 974 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 5: Yokis might not do nothing but them brothers for show 975 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 5: coming out of the student and me the min the 976 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 5: alley way. 977 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 4: All right, fun show, fun show, our final show of 978 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,919 Speaker 4: the week and next week come off. So Jesse, you're 979 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 4: you'll be sitting in the captain here here you go, 980 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 4: have fun fun. No, these guys are great man. 981 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 3: Think about your vegas man, have a good time. 982 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 2: Yo for me. 983 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. 984 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 3: Put twenty on the yo. We can't on the yo. 985 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 3: You can put twenty on the yo. 986 00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 2: You know you can. 987 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 3: You know it's crap. Now you can go to the 988 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:01,839 Speaker 3: craft table. 989 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 4: Now I know that for a fact. You can put 990 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 4: twenty on the yo for your boy. All Right, I 991 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 4: guess can't go to sports book, but you could throw 992 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 4: twenty on the yo for your boy. I'm just avoid everything, 993 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 4: got Jesse. Holly Anthony Door said for Chrispy and Josh, 994 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 4: everbody's part of the new Scruggs, we'll talk to you. 995 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 3: Well, they'll talk to you next week. 996 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 997 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.