Speaker 1: What do you call two guys that were there when
Speaker 1: this happened? Back to return at Spurlock, Michael Spurlock at
Speaker 1: the chin, he's still the twenty, he's the twenty five
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Speaker 1: who can forget again? I'm looking again already Derek Brocks
Speaker 1: already touchdown tam a day, Derek Brooks, the lost Pariot
Speaker 1: player here the national football like there it is, then
Speaker 1: Daggers in where you're gonna win the Super Bowl. We
Speaker 1: call them the Salty Dogs. Hello again out there, all
Speaker 1: you podcast friends, Welcome again to another edition of the
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs. We're glad you joined us. Yes, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: very happy that you joined us. By we, I mean
Speaker 1: me Scott's and me Jeff Ryan, we are your salty Dogs.
Speaker 1: And we were just saying, uh, this one could get
Speaker 1: a little salty. Yes, but before we pretzel, Yes, but
Speaker 1: before we get started, what's your favorite shape of pretzel?
Speaker 1: Because they had pretzel rods in that press box. Yes,
Speaker 1: they were very tasty. Yeah they're they're they're classic role
Speaker 1: gold pretzel rods. It's the best way to eat a pretzel,
Speaker 1: but never put him in your pocket, And then said
Speaker 1: little helpful And what were you about to say before
Speaker 1: before we get going on this on this edition? Um,
Speaker 1: I have I have proven that I did not say
Speaker 1: you could not use coins you. I addressed it because
Speaker 1: after we did the podcast last week, I went upstairs
Speaker 1: and I started thinking about it, and I tracked it down,
Speaker 1: and I isolated the audio and sent it to you
Speaker 1: and said, there you go. You were You were a
Speaker 1: percent right the for anybody who doesn't know what he's
Speaker 1: talking about on a podcast a few weeks ago, I
Speaker 1: said that, So I said, and that somebody had told
Speaker 1: me when you got pound coins back in London they
Speaker 1: were almost useless because you like businesses wouldn't take them
Speaker 1: back in payment. And I don't remember, and I don't
Speaker 1: remember who told me that. But when we talked about
Speaker 1: it again because we got a question about it, I
Speaker 1: misremembered that it was you. Well, so I blamed you,
Speaker 1: and our questioner actually did not blame you. When I
Speaker 1: went back and read it. No, but if you go
Speaker 1: back and listen to the audio, you said, there's two
Speaker 1: of us that said you did it. I know I was.
Speaker 1: I was wrong in that regard as well, and I said,
Speaker 1: I'm proving both of you wrong. But if you had
Speaker 1: not found that audio, then we would have just gone
Speaker 1: on believing that you said that. Yeah. But what's interesting
Speaker 1: is um Um Jill, who's our social media person. Um,
Speaker 1: she came into my office and the next day she
Speaker 1: gave me to my office and said, you did not
Speaker 1: say And I go, what? And she goes on the
Speaker 1: coins you didn't say it. She goes, I was listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast coming into work today and immediately I said,
Speaker 1: he did not say that. It wasn't you. It was
Speaker 1: somebody else and I can't remember. And that stinks because
Speaker 1: I then stupidly shared that with several people, and UM
Speaker 1: looked dumb in the SS. It's not that I like
Speaker 1: to be right, but I do. You do very much
Speaker 1: like to be right. And you know, whenever you get
Speaker 1: that rare opportunity you're taking, you grab it. Yes, you
Speaker 1: in particular, I mean, um, Yeah, And the the question
Speaker 1: who wasn't named Claria? If I remember correct correctly from
Speaker 1: London was saying, yes, you can pay it that way,
Speaker 1: you just it could take a while account it out.
Speaker 1: So she was corrected. She was too, you just misinterpreted.
Speaker 1: I passed along bogus information and that wasn't that probably
Speaker 1: was probably double check. It was probably the language barrier.
Speaker 1: So anyway onto Salty Dog. Uh, well, she was of
Speaker 1: import Yeah. Uh, it's not a good week because the
Speaker 1: Bucks are two and five and and uh it's hard
Speaker 1: to see the playoffs from two and five. You know,
Speaker 1: you're looking over a mountain and you can't really see
Speaker 1: on the other side. It's not impossible. But we said,
Speaker 1: and the coaches said even before we went to Tennessee
Speaker 1: that that game was very big. And then the difference
Speaker 1: between two and five and three and four is big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's considering what everybody else is doing. You have San
Speaker 1: Francisco seven and oh, you have New Orleans would six
Speaker 1: and one. It's a very top heavy and bottom heavy league,
Speaker 1: which doesn't bode well for the teams at the bottom,
Speaker 1: and and it makes it even more difficult trying to
Speaker 1: grab a wild card spot. Yeah, that's what I mean,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna go ten wins may not come to Seattle.
Speaker 1: What are they five and two? Maybe we might. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've they've lost twice and they were both at home,
Speaker 1: believe it or not. That's where we're going next. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, Bruce arians has a good track record and
Speaker 1: four and one, so hey, we got that going for us.
Speaker 1: As he says, it's his house. Yes, I was just
Speaker 1: reminded of that by a guy who actually works for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I was not aware it was four and one.
Speaker 1: That's really great. That's pretty scread. He had said our
Speaker 1: house when he was with the Cardinals. I mean, can
Speaker 1: you do whatever it takes? That That brings me to
Speaker 1: a point um that I think you and I were
Speaker 1: in a conversation with somebody yesterday and I said something
Speaker 1: and you nodded your head because you felt the same way.
Speaker 1: And believe me, take this for what you will out there,
Speaker 1: there's a kind of a weird undercurrent in this building,
Speaker 1: a confidence. Uh. And the players were very emotional in
Speaker 1: the locker room after the lost Tennessee because, like the
Speaker 1: Giants game in particular, they felt like they should have
Speaker 1: won it right and that they can't stand these games
Speaker 1: anymore where they feel like they were the better team,
Speaker 1: and they didn't win, and and they they're clearly tired
Speaker 1: of it, and they were emotional, and they were very,
Speaker 1: very adamant about what needs to happen in the next
Speaker 1: nine games, nine games starting with Seattle. I'm not in
Speaker 1: any way saying anybody's well, I haven't heard, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to hear anybody walking around saying they you know,
Speaker 1: they know we're gonna win a guarantee. I'm not getting
Speaker 1: a balton board material. I'm just saying, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Seas are confident as well. I'm just saying, you
Speaker 1: might think of two and five team that lost three
Speaker 1: in a row and has to go to what is
Speaker 1: traditionally one of the toughest venues in the lead of
Speaker 1: playing might be, you know, a little bit concerned. But
Speaker 1: there's I'm saying, it's kind of a weird feeling here,
Speaker 1: and weird good. I mean, you wanted to be confident,
Speaker 1: they feel good. I think I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it is, you know, don't miscontrued. It's not finger pointing.
Speaker 1: It's well, they're pointing out themselves at themselves, saying we're
Speaker 1: hurting ourselves. If each each person is supposed to do
Speaker 1: what they're supposed and the guys are tired of it.
Speaker 1: Man Mike Evans, the way the words he was saying
Speaker 1: to the David, they're tired of it. Um, Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: talked about after the game, we got Bruce on the
Speaker 1: air and we asked him, you know what he of course,
Speaker 1: you want to know what he said to the team,
Speaker 1: and he responded immediately, I didn't say a word. I
Speaker 1: didn't have to Levante David and just owned it. And
Speaker 1: a couple of players spoke up, but mostly Lavante. And
Speaker 1: then afterwards Bruce said that that's all it needs to
Speaker 1: be said. And they broke it. They broke the huddle,
Speaker 1: and that's called leadership. Yeah, well that's what you need.
Speaker 1: You know. Bruce's Bruce Arian's teams have never lost three
Speaker 1: in a row before. Uh. And that's so he's an
Speaker 1: unchartered waters so to speak. But um, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they know a lot of people say unchartered waters when
Speaker 1: they say that you said it, right, Well, people say
Speaker 1: unchartered waters unchartered like they harder ship has ever done.
Speaker 1: Next because I'm a fisherman, Well, we are the salty dogs, yes,
Speaker 1: and you are actually a fisherman. I am, I know,
Speaker 1: not not a really great one, but I know people
Speaker 1: who can fish, and so I've learned you've been on
Speaker 1: the right boats all people. I have learned quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I am not. I am less than zero as a fisherman.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I would enjoy it being on
Speaker 1: a boat. Yeah, having a few bruised, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: do that part. Well, I get c sick. So this
Speaker 1: is a whole new channel. Yeah, but you still like fishing.
Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable there it's a Russian hands. Are we
Speaker 1: talking like out in the ocean fishing? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I spent four days out in the Dry Tortugas, which
Speaker 1: is about ninety miles outside of Miami, about ninety miles
Speaker 1: Key West, a dry tortio they're called the Dry Tortugas
Speaker 1: is a territorial section of water. And then there's a
Speaker 1: Fort Fort Jefferson that's there. It's a national park that
Speaker 1: we actually went to. Yeah, it's very very cool. Sounds
Speaker 1: great and yst Key West off a Key West. I
Speaker 1: think I saw that I was in Key West last
Speaker 1: but earlier. Yeah. No, it's one of those things that
Speaker 1: it's a it's a rush when things go right. But
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like kind of like football, you
Speaker 1: know when it's going right. And I thought at the
Speaker 1: end of the half in game against Tennessee, I was
Speaker 1: very impressed with with what was coming together. Come back,
Speaker 1: come back. You know. The funny thing about that was
Speaker 1: you always talk about how you know, you lose, you
Speaker 1: defer or you lose the coin flip or whatever, and
Speaker 1: you get the ball first in the second half, and
Speaker 1: you like to be that team that has the ball
Speaker 1: at the end of the half, scores, comes out and
Speaker 1: scores again. That double dip thing that you know everybody
Speaker 1: credits Build all Check with inventing, but everybody wants to
Speaker 1: do it. The Bucks kind of did that even though
Speaker 1: they didn't have that situation because the Titans scored a
Speaker 1: field goal with just like a minute left, and so
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, and they get the ball first, you think, okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it to us, But instead we did
Speaker 1: it to them because we used that minute to drive
Speaker 1: down great plays by Mike Evans touchdown and then a
Speaker 1: quick stop to start the second half and another touchdown
Speaker 1: to Mike Evans. So even though we didn't have the setup,
Speaker 1: we actually ended up doing that and that was the
Speaker 1: best part of the game. Before and after wasn't as good.
Speaker 1: But you Um, an alert just popped up on my
Speaker 1: phone and it said, uh, the Bengals are benching Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: which got me thinking about one of the things we
Speaker 1: were I had written down here and we had we
Speaker 1: were just talking before this about how there's the feeling
Speaker 1: in this building. Um, but there's for me what what
Speaker 1: what is bothersome is it feels like the Bucks in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen are missing out on an opportunity
Speaker 1: because this this league is very stratified right here. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of really good teams and a lot of
Speaker 1: teams that are very bad. And I don't think the
Speaker 1: Bucks are one of those very bad teams, but our
Speaker 1: records down there with them. This would be this would
Speaker 1: have been a great season for us to be that
Speaker 1: team that rises up from where we were while these
Speaker 1: other teams fall. I mean, just think about where these
Speaker 1: teams are. Think about Miami, the Jets, Denver, Bengals. Now
Speaker 1: they bench Dalton, they haven't won a game, Atlanta has
Speaker 1: fallen apart. They're probably gonna have to go through a
Speaker 1: big rebuild. Washington is it's all a big blank show
Speaker 1: and a lot of well, Chicago still got a shot,
Speaker 1: they've got problems, but it's I don't want to say
Speaker 1: the word, but these places, it's a big blank show
Speaker 1: and that's not what it is here. But missed opportunities
Speaker 1: have made this season essentially as as bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: those teams don't have quarterbacks. And you can say what
Speaker 1: you want to say about James Winston, but uh, if
Speaker 1: you especially if you if you agree with Bruce and
Speaker 1: say that neither of those interceptions were his fault and
Speaker 1: Bruce would know better. Nine. He was very adamant about it.
Speaker 1: I certainly it certainly felt like the last one that
Speaker 1: our receiver wasn't there during the During the broadcast, even
Speaker 1: before all that was brought up, Dave Moore did mention that, okay, so,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because like he said, you know, they're
Speaker 1: in a cover two. When they're in the cover two,
Speaker 1: you gotta go in. Yeah, he goes, that's just that's
Speaker 1: that's just the play. Yes, So Miami, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick is in a long term so and Rosen probably
Speaker 1: isn't it either. They don't jets. They have Donald but
Speaker 1: you know he's been up and down. Uh, Denver Flacco's hurt.
Speaker 1: They got a bunch of young guys. Cincinnati's Benching, Dalton,
Speaker 1: Atlanta Matt Ryan's hurt, Watchington quarterback situation. Most of these
Speaker 1: so many teams have a add quarterback situation. And I
Speaker 1: know that there are mixed feelings about Jameis Winston there,
Speaker 1: but you do have a guy that you can win
Speaker 1: games with. I mean, we should have won that game,
Speaker 1: We should have won the Giants game. We have we
Speaker 1: have a guy that can put up big numbers and
Speaker 1: if he can have the game like the four games
Speaker 1: stretched between weeks two and five when he was throwing
Speaker 1: touchdowns and that interceptions, you can win with that. We
Speaker 1: have that. I I don't know what the future holds
Speaker 1: long term for Jamis and the Buccaneers, but we have
Speaker 1: a quarterback, whereas most of these teams have nothing. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know they've got a hurt guy,
Speaker 1: and I say we there's we should be out of
Speaker 1: this group, is my point. We're missing an opportunity here.
Speaker 1: But you're not. You're not and I guess you are
Speaker 1: what your record says, right, the old John Gruden thing.
Speaker 1: But it's just frustrating. Yeah, and I it not only
Speaker 1: is it frustrating for the fans, it's it's just frustrating. Period.
Speaker 1: We did touch base on the players on their frustration,
Speaker 1: and honestly, the only ones that can change it are them,
Speaker 1: And so we'll have to wait and see. I suppose
Speaker 1: if you want to walk a little tie rope here
Speaker 1: and stick our toe in the water, it should be
Speaker 1: a little careful. Should we talk about the inadvertent whistle?
Speaker 1: We gotta be a little careful here, right, I'm gonna defer.
Speaker 1: You'll let me go across? Well? Are you will you
Speaker 1: hold the rope study for me? Would you let me
Speaker 1: that bouncing bar there? Well, I think I think, what
Speaker 1: what um? If I'm gonna do it? Are you differing
Speaker 1: in that sense? If I go first? And then? No? No,
Speaker 1: this is how you do it. All you have to
Speaker 1: do is watch Bruce arians Monday press conference, just the beginning,
Speaker 1: and you pretty much you'll know how he feels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it pretty much sums it up. It is frustrating. It
Speaker 1: was the first thing he said in both his postgame
Speaker 1: press conference and his money press press commerce, so obviously
Speaker 1: it was of great importance. To him, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it a little bit of a whirl here because I
Speaker 1: think this can be done. And you know, obviously what
Speaker 1: we're worried about here is putting yourself in position to
Speaker 1: get a fine as an NFL employe. Yeah, normally I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be so worried about it, but since there is
Speaker 1: so much conversation about it out of the building, and
Speaker 1: since everybody on all national platforms have been talking about it,
Speaker 1: arguing whether Bruce was right to say that or whether
Speaker 1: you know he's he's way off base, that it was
Speaker 1: one play. You can't blame them for your loss, that
Speaker 1: type of thing. I think there's elements of truth to that. Um.
Speaker 1: I think you can discuss the play though, because I
Speaker 1: can do that because the referee told the pool reporter
Speaker 1: that it was their whistle blewe because it was ruled
Speaker 1: that he was down before he lost the ball. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then upon reviewing it they realized that yes, he
Speaker 1: did fumble the ball. So we know they've admitted or
Speaker 1: not admitted, but acknowledged because you can see it right on.
Speaker 1: It's not a question that you can see it if
Speaker 1: you watch the replay. Clearly fumbled. So they that's a
Speaker 1: fact that he fumbled and there's a clear recovery and
Speaker 1: a return which would have been a touch on all that.
Speaker 1: That's not criticism, that's just a fact. So um, it's
Speaker 1: understandable why a coach would be frustrated if you if
Speaker 1: that whistle doesn't blow and one of the one of
Speaker 1: the officials did, none the others did. And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of discussion about uh in this league, and it's
Speaker 1: frustrating for everybody who watches this because you've heard that
Speaker 1: there's an emphasis on in places such as that on
Speaker 1: not blowing the whistle because if you let it play
Speaker 1: out and it turns out he didn't fumble, that's an
Speaker 1: easy fix, right If you blow the whistle and you
Speaker 1: realize he did fumble and it would have been touched on,
Speaker 1: you can't fix it. As the rules are, you can't
Speaker 1: fix it once the whistle is blown. The presumption as
Speaker 1: players here whistle, they know they don't have to play anymore,
Speaker 1: even if they're running anyway, which was interesting as they
Speaker 1: kept playing. Our guys did at least and a few
Speaker 1: of theirs. I'm sure it's probably hard for every player
Speaker 1: to hear the whistle. I we and what's very because
Speaker 1: what's what's very difficult about that particular play. And I
Speaker 1: understand why they blow a whistle, but usually when a
Speaker 1: whistle gets blown, it's because a guy is trying to
Speaker 1: uh and advanced the ball and he's being held up
Speaker 1: and press forward progress. Yes, and in this particular case,
Speaker 1: he was too yards short of the first down. Well
Speaker 1: he got just wallop and just he was It was
Speaker 1: a bang bang play. It wasn't he was held up.
Speaker 1: He blew up. It was right in front of us.
Speaker 1: And I mean it wasn't even a thought process whether
Speaker 1: whether he was just still trying to make forward progress
Speaker 1: he was, he got he was going back with then
Speaker 1: that they didn't even say that. They just thought he
Speaker 1: was down. And that's why. But that's why I don't
Speaker 1: understand why why you would blow so quickly. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, from up in the press box and probably
Speaker 1: on TV watching it live, you I didn't. I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell immediately that it was definitely a fumble. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a great tech. You're like, who did he make it?
Speaker 1: He didn't make it? You're that's the first thing you're
Speaker 1: excited about. And then you see one of the ball
Speaker 1: the ground and our guys scoop it up, and then
Speaker 1: you started hoping it's a fumble. I couldn't tell, but
Speaker 1: I'm not down there on the field and the players
Speaker 1: are and they could see was a fumble, and obviously
Speaker 1: some of the rest, most of the rest felt at
Speaker 1: least that there was a question, so they didn't blow
Speaker 1: their whistle. So it'll be interesting to see what comes
Speaker 1: of the US, because it doesn't seem like this ever
Speaker 1: changes that, even when they say we're gonna emphasize not
Speaker 1: blowing the whistle, and maybe that's just what it is.
Speaker 1: It's hard for how many rests are there nine officials,
Speaker 1: nine on the field. Maybe it's hard for all nine
Speaker 1: of them to remember because you see as a ref,
Speaker 1: I assume you see an official, you see what you
Speaker 1: think you saw, And if what you think you saw
Speaker 1: was him hitting the ground and then the ball popping out,
Speaker 1: which wouldn't be a fumble, then you could blow. You
Speaker 1: could justify blowing the whistle because the play is over
Speaker 1: and you want to save everybody from running around. I
Speaker 1: think so maybe it's hard not to do that is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think the reason why this is
Speaker 1: my opinion on why this has become a big issue
Speaker 1: is the league has said we are instructing our officials
Speaker 1: not to blow the whistle. But this is the third
Speaker 1: game this year that a whistle was blown the play dead,
Speaker 1: which would have resulted in yeah, there was to happen. Well,
Speaker 1: it happened to New Orleans, it happened to it happened
Speaker 1: to the Texans last week, and then it and it
Speaker 1: happened to the Buccaneers. So after the Saints one, it
Speaker 1: became this major discussion that no whistles are going to
Speaker 1: be That was the first big one. It was against
Speaker 1: the Rams, right because it was kind of funny that
Speaker 1: it and so that was that was so you here,
Speaker 1: they're going to emphasize blow and that was early in
Speaker 1: the year, and so we're not going to blow the whistle.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think this has become a bigger issue.
Speaker 1: If it was like one time this year, you say, okay,
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna revisit us. Well, but I understand
Speaker 1: I've I felt at that time that the Buccaneers would
Speaker 1: have won that game if that would have happened. And
Speaker 1: the reason why I say that is because you could
Speaker 1: just feel the momentum, it sucked out until they realize, Okay, no,
Speaker 1: it's not a touchdown. It's only gonna be here. Because
Speaker 1: you gotta remember that Titans were trying to do a
Speaker 1: trick play and the trick play didn't work. So their
Speaker 1: coach would have been highly questioned because you kick a
Speaker 1: field goal you're up by seven. I think what he
Speaker 1: was trying to do was win the game because they
Speaker 1: get the first down there, they can run down a
Speaker 1: lot more time and still kick a field goal potentially,
Speaker 1: but if they scored touchdown, it's over essentially. I also
Speaker 1: felt like we would have probably one had that touchdown
Speaker 1: by Andrew Adams counted. But let us let us acknowledge
Speaker 1: a couple of things. There were three and three minutes
Speaker 1: of forty one seconds left, which is plenty of time. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I know I felt good about what our defense
Speaker 1: did for most of that game. You know, their first
Speaker 1: two touchdowns were drives of like four and five yards.
Speaker 1: One of them was ten, but we gave him the
Speaker 1: first five on But you gotta remember, though, that they
Speaker 1: did drive nine. Until then, we had given up virtually
Speaker 1: no extended drives in the game. But after we got
Speaker 1: up twenty three to seventeen. They did have two extended
Speaker 1: drives once well, I think the yeah, I'm going off,
Speaker 1: you know, just I can't remember if the one that
Speaker 1: started at the tin was the one that ended in
Speaker 1: a field goal, which make it like a sixty eight
Speaker 1: yard right, But in any case, they were two extended drives.
Speaker 1: They did. They did get that, and they were converting
Speaker 1: third downs, which was the frustrat But it also changes
Speaker 1: how you play, It changes everything changes that. But that's
Speaker 1: an argument to bolster the side that says, you can't
Speaker 1: really know we would have won, So we you and
Speaker 1: I are biased here, Jeff. We we like to think
Speaker 1: if we had gotten that our defense we've gotten to stop,
Speaker 1: even though there's been some evidence and you know that
Speaker 1: that wouldn't necessarily be the case. I think it would
Speaker 1: have been a lot more fun to watch. And then
Speaker 1: the second, the second part of that is we did
Speaker 1: still have the ball, and we did drive into their
Speaker 1: territory and we did get within Yeah, we and it
Speaker 1: was within certainly within Matt gaysfield goal range. He's been
Speaker 1: deadly since the Giants game and he's made fifty two,
Speaker 1: fifty four eight, made a forty yarder in that game,
Speaker 1: I believe, but we didn't need field goal because of
Speaker 1: red zone problems earlier in the game. Again, that's a
Speaker 1: common refrain um our red zone. Are we seem to
Speaker 1: have problems executing in the red zone. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: you know, the first drive of the game, you get
Speaker 1: down there, you had a big play your thing. Yeah. Good, well,
Speaker 1: but it's a great play by Mike. He would have
Speaker 1: caught a touchdown past which was actually a smart penal,
Speaker 1: a smart penalty to take turn out and saving four points.
Speaker 1: And I think Dad is always whenever you get that close.
Speaker 1: And but but Tennessee, you know that the week before
Speaker 1: that they won by by a goal line. These plays
Speaker 1: from the three in the four yard line, and we
Speaker 1: had like six of them, We had nine of them
Speaker 1: before we got one in. But then the little fade
Speaker 1: to Mike Evans was so easy. It seems like there
Speaker 1: are plays out there when we do score, when the
Speaker 1: other team scores, it just looks like it's so easy.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be this hard to get the ball in
Speaker 1: from the three or the four yard line. But everything
Speaker 1: continues to go wrong, most obviously on the Dariakba Wally
Speaker 1: getting hit by Brashode Perriman play, which was embarrassing. Uh,
Speaker 1: It's just how can that happen? It should never have happened.
Speaker 1: But again, we started here and you you emphasize that
Speaker 1: the fourth and one, so we should talk about that.
Speaker 1: There was another fourth. In short, I think it was
Speaker 1: that their forty three earlier in the game, we had
Speaker 1: a three point lead at the time was to twenty.
Speaker 1: We elected to punt and did a good job, got
Speaker 1: the ball down to like the eight yard line, and
Speaker 1: and Bradley Pinnion did a good job of that with
Speaker 1: help from Ryan Sment the whole game. Uh. And coaches
Speaker 1: asked about that one because in today's NFL, with some
Speaker 1: coaches being like uh, Peterson and Philly being blatantly more
Speaker 1: aggressive in some of these situations, fans are now trained
Speaker 1: to think, you know, ten years ago, you wouldn't even
Speaker 1: thought about, of course he's gonna punt there fans and
Speaker 1: training to think, is that really the right decision? Should
Speaker 1: we maybe go for this? And I admit to being
Speaker 1: on the fence on that one, but I did think
Speaker 1: that his explanation was pretty good. Bruce, he said he
Speaker 1: didn't even consider I think there are situations where Bruce
Speaker 1: would go for it from the other forty on the
Speaker 1: fourth and one. But this wasn't it because, uh, if
Speaker 1: you don't get it, you're only up by three, they
Speaker 1: get two first downs, are already in field goal range.
Speaker 1: The way our defense had been playing for most of
Speaker 1: the game. If you just if we just weren't giving
Speaker 1: them great field position, they weren't scoring. So the way
Speaker 1: that our defense is playing, the way our punters getting
Speaker 1: the ball down there, I guess it does make sense
Speaker 1: to me, it does. I get it, it's not. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that decision. Yeah, And if
Speaker 1: you do go for it and you don't get it,
Speaker 1: then it's right, you can't. You can't, you can't win. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's actually why this sort of revolution it takes
Speaker 1: so long to happen. Even if the numbers tell you
Speaker 1: that you should be going for fork down a lot
Speaker 1: more often, um, because that may be true in the
Speaker 1: long run, but coaches know that they have to answer
Speaker 1: for individual situations, so that even and I don't think
Speaker 1: they necessarily did, but even if the number said we
Speaker 1: should definitely go for it right there, that's over the
Speaker 1: course of all of the possibility you know, all the
Speaker 1: times you have the ball there and you're not always
Speaker 1: gonna get it, so you don't get that they get
Speaker 1: an easy field goal. Then you're answering questions about why
Speaker 1: did you do that? You know, and maybe you're answering
Speaker 1: questions to your superiors about why you're doing that. I
Speaker 1: can totally understand why coaches, because they have to buy
Speaker 1: into it for an entire season or entire career or whatever,
Speaker 1: because they have to do it enough for the numbers
Speaker 1: to be in their favor. So you can say, look,
Speaker 1: this was good in the long run, right. Um okay,
Speaker 1: So back to the fourth and one on our last
Speaker 1: real chance to score. Um, it was the Jamis is
Speaker 1: in the shotgun with Peyton Barber next to him, and
Speaker 1: apparently there was They went out on the field with
Speaker 1: a run or a pass. Uh And depending on the coverage,
Speaker 1: which in this case they see man to man, they're
Speaker 1: even gonna call a runner of the past. And they
Speaker 1: went with a run because of the coverage. And apparently,
Speaker 1: according to Bruce, who has been asked about several times,
Speaker 1: is not wavering for the fact that the problem is
Speaker 1: simply we missed a block backside block. He said at
Speaker 1: on one occasion. So as a fan, you always like
Speaker 1: you see see a critical have to have to have
Speaker 1: this fourth and one have to have it, and you
Speaker 1: just see a pretty much straightforward running plane. You think
Speaker 1: that's it. But teams run straightforward running place and we
Speaker 1: we we converted short thirds and force earlier in the game.
Speaker 1: I think that's where the you know you talk about
Speaker 1: the frustration. Um, I think that's what happens. They look
Speaker 1: at they look at tape or they see it right
Speaker 1: away and they see it's all there, but one person
Speaker 1: doesn't make it happen. That's happened a couple of things.
Speaker 1: Um the um snap then hit. Yeah, because he went
Speaker 1: too soon. He went too soon. Well, the reason why
Speaker 1: he went too soon was that they were having problems
Speaker 1: communicating and um, Ryan Jensen got tapped. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: they do it right. Yeah, it wasn't that loud. There
Speaker 1: wasn't what was at that point. He got tapped, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't supposed to be tapped at that point. There
Speaker 1: was a miscommunication of tapping. Yeah, because you see that
Speaker 1: a lot in the loud statements of the guard because
Speaker 1: the center can't really look around, but the guard can
Speaker 1: sort of look back and and the tap was to
Speaker 1: tell you something. And how did you find um from Goody?
Speaker 1: He yeah, he told us that on Bucks Total Access.
Speaker 1: He told Casey Phillips that that's that's really funny because
Speaker 1: you think about this, you think you're the wise up
Speaker 1: fan when you say, hey, Jamis gets Jamis is being
Speaker 1: blamed for that fumble. But it was really the center's
Speaker 1: fault because he snapped it too soon. But now we
Speaker 1: found it, it really wasn't even the center's no, it
Speaker 1: wasn't no, it wasn't. So I think that's you know too.
Speaker 1: As we started this the frustration in the building, and
Speaker 1: Bruce made a comment during his TV show and also
Speaker 1: his radio show, fans take six days to get over
Speaker 1: a loss, and unfortunately, well players have forty eight hours
Speaker 1: to get over a loss because they're off on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1: Coaches have twenty four hours to get over it. He
Speaker 1: said that the Giants game took him a while to
Speaker 1: get over and this one is going to take him
Speaker 1: a while to get over. So when you when you
Speaker 1: have this discussion of what it feels like in the
Speaker 1: building and how they're taking it, I think they are
Speaker 1: seeing we are so close when I say, weed that
Speaker 1: the team so close, but it's just that one little
Speaker 1: thing that keeps happening. But in all honesty, that separates
Speaker 1: you from a good team. You can't say you're a
Speaker 1: good team when keeping and nobody's saying that, no no,
Speaker 1: But you do see the potential of it, and you
Speaker 1: do see that. I mean honestly, you feel like it's
Speaker 1: a quick fix. But for whatever reason, sometimes we happen.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we do fix whatever it was, only for something
Speaker 1: else to get you get a new one. So you
Speaker 1: say fans take six days to get over a loss.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a cumulative effect there, um or
Speaker 1: you know, because since there have been a number of these,
Speaker 1: some fans are just getting really Oh yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: tired even more than if we win this week in Seattle.
Speaker 1: It's not going to no, no, no, But you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta start somewhere. I will, I will say that, um.
Speaker 1: And it hasn't really been discussed in the building. Uh.
Speaker 1: On the interaction that I've had with coaches and players,
Speaker 1: I have not heard this one time, and that is wow.
Speaker 1: This has just been a really long road trip and
Speaker 1: it's really, you know, really really hard. No one has
Speaker 1: said that. Now, on a personal note, I am happy
Speaker 1: that this is the last road trip this weekend. It's been.
Speaker 1: It's a very long one. But if you think about it,
Speaker 1: you know, five weeks ago we were going to l
Speaker 1: A and then we went to New Orleans and we
Speaker 1: went to London and we had that bye week, and
Speaker 1: it was the bye week was like a blur and
Speaker 1: then and then boom, you're in Tennessee and flying home
Speaker 1: from Tennessee. I got home and and um, I started
Speaker 1: watching the baseball game and the football game. I was
Speaker 1: flipping back and forth. I was just trying to chill
Speaker 1: out and and all of a sudden, I don't know
Speaker 1: where I go. Dang, I gotta go to Seattle on Friday,
Speaker 1: which is which is I only under. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I bring this up is that it's difficult to do.
Speaker 1: But I'm I have a lot of respect for the
Speaker 1: players because no one is saying anything about that. They're
Speaker 1: not worried about that. They're trying to win. So that's
Speaker 1: a good thing. Um more on that fourth than one play.
Speaker 1: I think the problem is as a fan, it's hard
Speaker 1: to watch. As I said, if you know it's so
Speaker 1: crucial and then you see just basically a straight up
Speaker 1: the middle running play that doesn't work. It feels worse.
Speaker 1: You want to see as a fan, as a as
Speaker 1: a coach, I want to call a play that I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna work, so it doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker 1: Is a fan, you want to see something that maybe
Speaker 1: takes a little while longer so your hopes aren't crushed immediately.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe the quarterback takes the snap, rolls out
Speaker 1: a little bit. There's got a couple of levels you
Speaker 1: can throw too, Maybe he can run some more options
Speaker 1: so that if one, for particular thing breaks down, maybe
Speaker 1: there's maybe maybe you got a shot somewhere else. Of course,
Speaker 1: coaches are deciding based on what play they think work,
Speaker 1: and and every coach has to know that doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how confident I'm in this play, there's a chance it
Speaker 1: won't work. I don't think they call place thinking this
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work. And if they are, we gotta have
Speaker 1: a sit down. We have a problem. Yeah, well, after
Speaker 1: that play, w t F wasn't was was said an
Speaker 1: awful lot in the Tampa Bay area. Yeah, play and
Speaker 1: and and I understand why, but I don't spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time second guessing because I know that the
Speaker 1: vast majority of the time it's UM. It's just a
Speaker 1: matter of execution, And if it had worked, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have You wouldn't have for a moment thought that was
Speaker 1: a bad call. I've learned longer. I don't you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't hear a lot of people saying that was
Speaker 1: a bad call. I'm really surprised it worked. Do you
Speaker 1: ever hear that? You don't hear that very often? Maybe,
Speaker 1: Uh you know, if Aaron Rodgers can be falling down
Speaker 1: and throw a looping pass into the back quarror of
Speaker 1: the ends on a third just life teams like we
Speaker 1: put it on the board, maybe that's when where you go, Well,
Speaker 1: that shouldn't work, but it did. But those things don't
Speaker 1: happen very often when you don't have Aaron Rodgers. Uh so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I said, I don't really get into the
Speaker 1: game of second guessing UM play calling, or try not to.
Speaker 1: I've learned not to only because I've been proven wrong
Speaker 1: too many times, because I've had the fortunate experience to
Speaker 1: have coaches sitting me down and put tape on and
Speaker 1: then say this is what you're saying right, and I, yeah,
Speaker 1: being very confident. Yes, okay here and then you go, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't notice that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Nobody told me that, so I have to respect it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just but but in sports you get to you
Speaker 1: you don't have to like everything and debate it. We're
Speaker 1: also talking the difference between you and I and being
Speaker 1: a fan. I think when I'm watching my baseball Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and that's my other passion, I'm sure I'm very irrational.
Speaker 1: Lots of the time they're irrational. Would not describe how
Speaker 1: you are when you do. If we sat and watch
Speaker 1: the Cardinals game, I don't have to because if they're
Speaker 1: getting shellacked, I said, did you watch the game? No,
Speaker 1: because there I can't watch it. All right, I get it.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, so we've covered I think the big stuff, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know if we have a question about it later,
Speaker 1: So alright, we could. We could be talking about JPP
Speaker 1: right now. But which is let's save it, okay, because
Speaker 1: that was the next thing. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: how exciting to have him back, So we'll save it
Speaker 1: for the really liked how a lot of that went. Um.
Speaker 1: I also think just one last thing. I know the
Speaker 1: secondary still had a coach, a few communication issues which
Speaker 1: they had hoped they would have cleared up. But I
Speaker 1: think the reviewer, I think Carlton Davis got his hands
Speaker 1: on a lot of footballs. Um you know again on
Speaker 1: the on the penalties and officiating decisions pastor ference is
Speaker 1: going to be well, he has what he has to
Speaker 1: learn is yeah, if you were gonna do that armed
Speaker 1: thing again, yeah, because that's what he did down the
Speaker 1: second one. He didn't have to do that because the
Speaker 1: ball well I'm not sure he did. The point was
Speaker 1: he had his hands on him and then the guy
Speaker 1: goes flying because well he flopped. And that was the
Speaker 1: one that got challenged, right, and there was no and
Speaker 1: of course, you know when he got challenged, I said,
Speaker 1: didn't you know what they're gonna I don't think that
Speaker 1: was past reference and I don't think if it had
Speaker 1: been called not quality they would have been able to
Speaker 1: overturn it. But I didn't think we were gonna win
Speaker 1: that challenge. But then I almost understand it anyway, the
Speaker 1: challenge because you don't know what you're gonna get, and
Speaker 1: who knows if this was the week where they where
Speaker 1: the NFL started getting worried about the backlash to the
Speaker 1: backlash about how nobody can win the pastor it's calling.
Speaker 1: They tell you, guys, hey, all right, we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta at least to overturn a couple of these, right.
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe that would have been this week. You ever, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think the coaches have any idea what they're
Speaker 1: gonna get, and a lot of them are choosing not
Speaker 1: to challenge it unless it's Here's the thing. I think
Speaker 1: it was a risk reward situation because this wasn't just
Speaker 1: to overturn a play. This was either their offense has
Speaker 1: the ball on our side of the field, or because
Speaker 1: we've gotten a pick and run it back, our offense
Speaker 1: has the ball on their side of the field. It
Speaker 1: was a huge difference of situation, so the risk reward.
Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm glad he challenged. I mean, I'm on it,
Speaker 1: but I can undercompletely understand why you're just kind of
Speaker 1: crossing your fingers, like maybe this is the one they overturned.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was past inference on the first one,
Speaker 1: but it's irrelevant because there was also a rough in
Speaker 1: the quarterback, so wouldn't have count it anyway. Uh So,
Speaker 1: But anyway, I did think there were there were. I
Speaker 1: thought the coverage was better there. Their wide receivers hardly
Speaker 1: did anything at all. We had trouble, we couldn't stop
Speaker 1: that tight end, and then the other tight end had
Speaker 1: one big play. But there their receivers combined for about
Speaker 1: fifty yards. I mean, the coverage was better. And did
Speaker 1: you notice that? Did you notice a change? And you
Speaker 1: probably did, because I'm sure Dave talked about it that.
Speaker 1: While Vernon continued to start Vernon Hargreaves, he moved into
Speaker 1: the slot Nickel and Sean Murphy Bunting, who is your
Speaker 1: third corner? Played really really well, but he's so Vernon's
Speaker 1: playing like um Randy Barber type roll right, and and
Speaker 1: Vernon asked to get to get wanted, Yes, he wanted
Speaker 1: to get slit over there. Interesting? Is that another thing?
Speaker 1: No little little tidbits that I bring to the table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you gotta bring something maybe other
Speaker 1: than maybe they had up to worthwhile, other than sparkling water.
Speaker 1: I brought my own, but you did bring accurate information
Speaker 1: on London pounds and how and when they could be
Speaker 1: spent or welcome. So you want to move on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do that. Okay, We'll get to the next segment
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back also and an answer fans
Speaker 1: questions the Salty Dogs and we're back here on the
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs Podcast. I'm still Scott Smith. Yeah, I'm still
Speaker 1: Jeff Ryan, but we've got a new person in the room.
Speaker 1: This is everybody's favorite part of the podcast every week
Speaker 1: when we have a guest with us, and today it's
Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson. Anthony, thanks for being here. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: guys for having me on. I'm I'm excited to you know,
Speaker 1: hang out with you. That conviction that's because you told him,
Speaker 1: Scott he started. You know, you gotta you gotta beat
Speaker 1: your guy. Second second straight member of the two thousand
Speaker 1: nineteen rookie class. Anthony. You come from a football family, right, absolutely, Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My my dad played at Iowa UM in the eighties
Speaker 1: and the early nineties, and then my brothers are actually
Speaker 1: right now playing still so UM. Definitely a football family,
Speaker 1: football all the way. And his brother was a walk on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: brother Rose walking on. His name is Nathan. I read
Speaker 1: Wikipedia as well. You know, he just said his father
Speaker 1: played there in the lady and he's in early nineties.
Speaker 1: That means that I'm old enough to be his father.
Speaker 1: Because I was at Northwest for the exact same time.
Speaker 1: I let it. I just let it go. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So was it a just a done deal that you
Speaker 1: were going to go to Iowa for that reason or
Speaker 1: did you look at other places? Yeah? I absolutely, Uh no,
Speaker 1: So I did look at other places. Initially, I only
Speaker 1: had offers from Iowa State and then a bunch of
Speaker 1: Missouri Valley UM double A subdivision, So I was playing
Speaker 1: on going Ia State for a while, but it was
Speaker 1: it was a done deal. If I had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go to Iowa UM on a scholarship, it was
Speaker 1: gonna be Iowa. How would your Dada felt about you
Speaker 1: going to Iowa State? I was just gonna I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say, it's not answering. Yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: was okay with it. It was. It wasn't forbidden. But
Speaker 1: he was like, I hate that. I hate that. This
Speaker 1: is one situation where in fun you're really thinking about
Speaker 1: he's willing to pay out of state schools. But I
Speaker 1: like it. You you came out of ye early right
Speaker 1: at the combine, you said it is because you wanted
Speaker 1: the challenge of the next level. What do you think
Speaker 1: of that challenge so far? I've been happy with it.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. It's definitely a challenge, but um, I've already
Speaker 1: learned so much and and uh, I've been able to
Speaker 1: work with a lot of great guys in our room,
Speaker 1: and and uh work under a great defensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: the top bowls, and um, I mean it's just invaluable
Speaker 1: the amount of experience I've gained, you know, seven games
Speaker 1: through and uh, you know, I'm excited to keep it
Speaker 1: going and keep improving. Yeah, and now JPPS back, there's
Speaker 1: another guy for you. The absolutely it just gets better
Speaker 1: and better for me. So uh yeah, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I got three guys that are are really really good
Speaker 1: in our room, and I'm just trying to pick up
Speaker 1: everything i can from that. What was the reaction like
Speaker 1: on the sideline when JPP comes back for the first
Speaker 1: time and on his very first play he gets a sack.
Speaker 1: You guys going nuts over there, and it was it
Speaker 1: was like mixed reactions. So some guys are kind of
Speaker 1: like just going crazy and some guys just kind of
Speaker 1: like a little side smirk, like I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was gonna happen this early, but you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of do this is good. What was gonna happen? Eventually?
Speaker 1: It's kind of sellings, like, really, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: He hasn't been here this old time. First play gets
Speaker 1: the sack because they're not easy to come by, as
Speaker 1: they say, Um, it's kind of weird that that you
Speaker 1: got to play at the Outback Bowl at Raymond James
Speaker 1: Stadium and then was that their last game? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was your last game last So I always
Speaker 1: like to find stuff like that because you play there.
Speaker 1: At any time. When you were were at the Outback Bowl,
Speaker 1: were you thinking, Wow, this would be kind of a
Speaker 1: cool place to be. I thought, yeah, I thought watch
Speaker 1: January and I was about twenty degrees right now and
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. There's pawn trees all around. I was like,
Speaker 1: this would be a cool place to live. But I
Speaker 1: never really I was like, I never really thought like, oh,
Speaker 1: I could be a Tampa Bay buccaneer and you know,
Speaker 1: four or five months. So that's pretty crazy that that
Speaker 1: it ended up. They did talk to you at the
Speaker 1: combine though, right one of the ones. Yeah, briefly, but Um,
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell from that, Yeah, I mean I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell on draft ed and I didn't think I was
Speaker 1: gonna come here, to be honest, but I'm glad I did.
Speaker 1: They really wanted to, just so you know, because on
Speaker 1: the there after night, after they come out of the room,
Speaker 1: after they make a pick, and and I was staying
Speaker 1: in nearby when um, when Jason came out of the room,
Speaker 1: they were really freaking excited about that pick. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not making this up. I swear it's true. They
Speaker 1: they thought it was a steel where they got you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that should feel good, right, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel good. I got a lot, got
Speaker 1: a lot to prove and a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do still. But see, that's see. And that's
Speaker 1: the other thing that seems to be happening every every
Speaker 1: rookie we've talked to, they you know, they've had some
Speaker 1: success this year, but they're automatically saying, I have so
Speaker 1: much to learn, so much to prove, And you know
Speaker 1: you're an NFL player. Did you think that was ever
Speaker 1: gonna happen? No? No, I never thought I never thought, um,
Speaker 1: that this this day would come. But I guess just
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, all right, I got a
Speaker 1: scholarship division one and I went and just trying to
Speaker 1: make the most of that. And at the end of that,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you know, this is this
Speaker 1: is a reality, and it was kind of crazy to me.
Speaker 1: But I never really expected it growing up. I dreamed
Speaker 1: of it, but I was like, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just seems so it seems so surreal that that that
Speaker 1: could happen. Sometimes, How hard is it for your dad
Speaker 1: to just remain so cool and calm through all of
Speaker 1: this or is he not? Well? Yeah, the first you'd
Speaker 1: assume that he is remaining cool and calm. I was
Speaker 1: trying to give dad the benefit of the doubt. He's
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit. It sounds like you
Speaker 1: have a great relationship with your dad. Yeah, absolutely I do.
Speaker 1: He's been, you know, a big support for me through
Speaker 1: my whole life. My dad and my mom um, my brother,
Speaker 1: to my whole family. But those are the guys I
Speaker 1: really lant on. But he having his experience going to
Speaker 1: Iowa was was really uh nice because he held went
Speaker 1: through it before, so he could give me some pointers
Speaker 1: and be there and talk about some things. With me.
Speaker 1: You know, you came out early. But how do you
Speaker 1: make that decision? How did I mean? You're you're having
Speaker 1: success in school, things are going well. Another year of
Speaker 1: college is never too bad for anybody. How did I
Speaker 1: feel like? He smiles, Um, I mean it was difficult.
Speaker 1: It was difficult for sure, UM, But I mean it
Speaker 1: comes back to the challenge thing. I really I just
Speaker 1: love pushing myself and UM, you know that's kind of
Speaker 1: just what has defined me as a person at least
Speaker 1: so far. U UM. And I you know, I graduated
Speaker 1: with my degree in December, and and then I just
Speaker 1: had this opportunity and I knew and I knew I
Speaker 1: was ready and I really wanted it to take it
Speaker 1: on head on. So UM talked with my family and
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of came to the same conclusion,
Speaker 1: and uh, we decided to go that way. We talked
Speaker 1: to Scottie last week and he said it his during
Speaker 1: the draft, he had a few people over in his
Speaker 1: house to watch, but not too many because he wasn't
Speaker 1: sure he's gonna get drafted, so he kept it kind
Speaker 1: of small. But it was a great experience. What what
Speaker 1: was yours like? Yeah, I say, I'm probably very similar.
Speaker 1: I had some family and in close high school buddies
Speaker 1: over um and just haud of my parents house just
Speaker 1: hang out. Um. We did order some food and that
Speaker 1: was about it. We just laid backus. I'm just curious
Speaker 1: what did you order? Um? Well, if you ever go
Speaker 1: to the morning, you gotta get jeth Rose Barbecue. See
Speaker 1: there you go. Okay, learned something. Just Rose Barbecue is amazing.
Speaker 1: Smoke ds can't go wrong either. But okay, which game
Speaker 1: would it beating? The past week when we went to
Speaker 1: Tennessee Tanner Hudson had a ton of family there. So
Speaker 1: which game would it be for you? Would it be
Speaker 1: Chicago or Green Bay? Where would where would people be
Speaker 1: able to come? Detroit? Um? Yeah, we I don't think we.
Speaker 1: I think Nashville might have been the closest game for us.
Speaker 1: Um Detroit maybe a yeah, we do go to Detroit. Um.
Speaker 1: But the closest game if we played like at Kansas
Speaker 1: City or at Minneapolis, would probably be the closest game
Speaker 1: for for all my family? Are you hoping for that
Speaker 1: all right? You know because usually the player asked to
Speaker 1: annie up all those times, some players are like really excited,
Speaker 1: others are yeah, not so much. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: even think I thought he didn't even crossed my mind.
Speaker 1: It's necessary. These are these are what the salty Dogs do.
Speaker 1: We make you think about stuff you never thought you
Speaker 1: needed to think about. Do you think we should talk
Speaker 1: about football a little bit before? We don't have much
Speaker 1: time a well, I mean you want to know who
Speaker 1: he is as a person. He's just not a football players.
Speaker 1: Come on, what I really don't need these people back
Speaker 1: and get them going. Coach is just telling us. You know,
Speaker 1: I was in the locker room after the game, heard
Speaker 1: what happened. Coach is just telling us, Um, the plane
Speaker 1: flight back, he actually liked it because coaches like it
Speaker 1: when they're when the plane flight is angrier than usual.
Speaker 1: That and he said, you guys are angry, and you
Speaker 1: remained angry today and it resulted in a very serious practice.
Speaker 1: It feels like there's a bit of a different mood
Speaker 1: in the building this week. Is that accurate? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: would agree. I'm trying to talk to you guys and
Speaker 1: be you know, be myself, be happy. But obviously everybody's
Speaker 1: um frustrated with where we are right now. Um, but
Speaker 1: you know part of that is is hold on to
Speaker 1: that anger a little bit, but you gotta move on
Speaker 1: and you gotta prepare for the next game, and that's
Speaker 1: the hell for us. So but yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was definitely disappointing. We're different disappointing our performance, but um,
Speaker 1: you know, we have nine more games, and so that's
Speaker 1: the opportunity. You're never gonna get back. He can't go
Speaker 1: back and change anything. So we're just gonna work, work
Speaker 1: and keep working and uh, you know, turning to sing
Speaker 1: around and next up to Seattle. Um, i'mine you probably
Speaker 1: haven't played there, rights, like though I've heard it's crazy. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited to see it. Those kind of
Speaker 1: atmospheres are special. Uh you know, even if it's on
Speaker 1: the road and they're chairing against you, it does, uh
Speaker 1: it gets you going as a player and you and
Speaker 1: you enjoy being in that kind of atmosphere. The good
Speaker 1: news for you is that Bruce arians calls that our
Speaker 1: house because when he was coaching Arizona, they won there
Speaker 1: four out of five times. Well. The other good news, too,
Speaker 1: is is that the Seattle Seahawk fans are really really
Speaker 1: good football fans. So when the Seahawks offense is on
Speaker 1: it's very quiet. Why is that good news? Because he's
Speaker 1: a defensive player, and so it's good for news for
Speaker 1: him about see what I'm saying, work with me a
Speaker 1: little bit here, so he'll be able to experience it,
Speaker 1: but he'll be able to do his job. So that
Speaker 1: will be the That will be the fifth game in
Speaker 1: a row on the road. It's finally the end of
Speaker 1: this long streak six six weeks. But I know one
Speaker 1: of whom counted as a home game, but long trips
Speaker 1: l A, London, Seattle. This one's not that much shorter
Speaker 1: than the London trip. And know you guys were well prepared.
Speaker 1: The sports science people helped out as much as possible.
Speaker 1: How has it been tough? This all this in row?
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it would be way tougher. Those
Speaker 1: sports science guys have done an awesome job. And then, um,
Speaker 1: I don't even know, I haven't really noticed that. You know,
Speaker 1: you say it's fifth week on the road, but um,
Speaker 1: especially during season, kind of getting that routine. It's, you know, Monday,
Speaker 1: you come watch the game, and Tuesday off, and then
Speaker 1: you're preparing Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then you fly and
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of you get in a routine,
Speaker 1: and as long as you're taking care of your body
Speaker 1: on the flights and doing the things that sports science
Speaker 1: guys have been um recommended, you know, I haven't really
Speaker 1: noticed that that much. And and that's the credit to
Speaker 1: the sports science guys and all the people involved in that.
Speaker 1: So which is something I mentioned during the podcast earlier,
Speaker 1: is that none of the complaining, none of that. None
Speaker 1: of the players are complaining. It's my interaction was, guys
Speaker 1: aren't even yeah, and we're not even thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Where where I'm I'm complaining heavily about it. I'm tired
Speaker 1: of traveling right now. Well, we'll let you have a
Speaker 1: one more question before you go. Um. I asked you
Speaker 1: as we were walking up what you thought of the
Speaker 1: area Tampa. Obviously you like the weather. Hopefully your career
Speaker 1: is long and it's here for a long time. A
Speaker 1: lot of guys that moved down here for this job
Speaker 1: end up putting down routes here because they really liked
Speaker 1: the place. Could you see this being a place where
Speaker 1: that could happen for you? Yeah? I do like it.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of great people around and
Speaker 1: obviously beautiful weather. But um city Tampas and nice is
Speaker 1: very nice. Um, you know, it reminds me a lot
Speaker 1: of Iowa in a lot of ways. Um, just how
Speaker 1: just the people, like I was, just everybody walks around.
Speaker 1: There's just nice people everywhere and like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a big city, but it's it never doesn't
Speaker 1: feel too busy and too packed. Um, and that's just
Speaker 1: kind of the the vibe I've got. And uh but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's like a nice little Eyowa but a
Speaker 1: little warmer. So there you go, it's always warmer. Well
Speaker 1: we're we're we should be getting that nice. Well it
Speaker 1: should be cool done within two months. Well, thank you, Anthy.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time, especially I just asked him.
Speaker 1: You know, he's great and I know he's got a meeting.
Speaker 1: He wants to a little just then, So we really
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you, guys the Salty Dogs and
Speaker 1: we're back here for our final segment on this week
Speaker 1: Salty Dogs podcast. I'm still here with Jeff Ryan, I'm
Speaker 1: still here with Scott Smith. We we do in the
Speaker 1: final section we answer fans questions. Yeah, but before we
Speaker 1: get to that, we also in this section it's either
Speaker 1: feast or famine time because everyone, because everyone knows I'm
Speaker 1: such a big fantasy football guy. Hey, how did you do?
Speaker 1: I scored huge points and you lost? No? I won? Okay,
Speaker 1: I regret to tell you that in this league, this
Speaker 1: Buck's Fantasy Challenge League, which is pitting three of US
Speaker 1: insider pros, so to speak, against nine fans, I actually
Speaker 1: perpetrated some pro on pro violence this week, and I
Speaker 1: beat Carmen perpetrated some Did you take the loss? Oh? No, fine, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean there's we're gonna have to play each other
Speaker 1: at some point. I am in fourth place now, um,
Speaker 1: one of the fourth, the fourth high scoring. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you're bragging about all the things you've done and you're
Speaker 1: only in fourth. Fourth place is a good place to
Speaker 1: be in right now. Uh? And my team is scoring well,
Speaker 1: although I have some injury issues that could change that soon.
Speaker 1: But in any case, so you're to three fans are
Speaker 1: in the three first spots. So you're telling me you
Speaker 1: play better in November. I hope so I need to.
Speaker 1: It's been an up and down season. But I'm five
Speaker 1: and three. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Uh, five
Speaker 1: teams or five and three and then this one fan
Speaker 1: named Christopher Hatton barely pulled it out last night. He's
Speaker 1: still eight. No, man, it's crazy. That's hard to do.
Speaker 1: In a fantasy league. You need you need to be
Speaker 1: really good, and he is. You're gonna be really lucky.
Speaker 1: He's the second high scoring team in league by just
Speaker 1: a couple of points. And you can't. You have to
Speaker 1: be lucky and you can't have injury because like, if
Speaker 1: he'd played me this week, he'd lost. But I play
Speaker 1: him next week. The brains. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: what happens. I know it's everybody's favorite part of this podcast.
Speaker 1: Scott talks about fantasy football. Well, I like the update
Speaker 1: because it's it's against the other. Yeah, other coach. I
Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers, so I need him to keep on
Speaker 1: his hot stream. He's very hot, right uh. And then
Speaker 1: I have James Conner, so I hope his injury isn't bad.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans had a huge day in that league and
Speaker 1: took U Chucky Heart's team to victory f y I
Speaker 1: he had a huge day in the NFL. I didn't
Speaker 1: even notice, it's all he was amazing. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was that was vintage peaks. That is pure distilled what
Speaker 1: Mike Evans gives you. I think. I think when you
Speaker 1: see that, you kind of just want to go into
Speaker 1: the huddle and say, just throw the ball up and
Speaker 1: watch Mike get it. Yeah, and you do that as
Speaker 1: much as you can until the other team decides, okay,
Speaker 1: no matter what, we're not allowing that to happen anymore.
Speaker 1: So they play more cover too. They played. Whenever I
Speaker 1: got the chance to watch specifically what was happening to Mike,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just rolling the safety to his car to
Speaker 1: his side or something. It was two guys were bracketing boxing.
Speaker 1: So at some point you just can't, Wow, that's where
Speaker 1: your other receivers need to step up. Then. So well,
Speaker 1: we have had we have the best I mean, the
Speaker 1: numbers show it. We have the best two starting duo
Speaker 1: of starting receivers in the NFL with him and Godwin.
Speaker 1: You know, Chris Godwin is still our leading receiver even
Speaker 1: after Mike got a hundred nine yards in that game.
Speaker 1: They both have six touchdowns, which is tied for the
Speaker 1: legally touchdown catches. The production from all other wide receivers
Speaker 1: has been very, very limited, very limited. So I know
Speaker 1: they would like to find some production out of that, obviously,
Speaker 1: because then you get in that situation and there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of stop Mike Evans, Chris Godwin goes off,
Speaker 1: stopped Chris Godwin, Mike Evans goes off. That's kind of happened.
Speaker 1: But I think we need a little bit more, whether
Speaker 1: it be from tight ends. Maybe O. J. Howard will
Speaker 1: come back, somebody on the receiving corps. They find a
Speaker 1: good way to utilize them, but it hasn't been there yet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mike Evans. Wow, I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: in retrospect, the game plan was established a run because
Speaker 1: we absolutely were running on every first down. We ran
Speaker 1: thirty times in the game. That's a lot. And uh
Speaker 1: it was running the balls. Stops run and throw throw
Speaker 1: deep to Mike and it worked a lot of the game.
Speaker 1: It worked. Yeah, he had some of those catches he
Speaker 1: made though you're you're not really gonna get it if
Speaker 1: you don't have Mike Evans. I want to say something
Speaker 1: about Mike Evans, probably one of the most unselfish players
Speaker 1: that I've been around. He's got had a phenomenal day,
Speaker 1: something that he could personally be proud of, and he
Speaker 1: didn't want anything to do with it. He was so
Speaker 1: mad that they didn't win. He was, and that was
Speaker 1: clear in his postgame talk. And UM, stand up guy too,
Speaker 1: because I don't think he was really interested in talking
Speaker 1: to the media after no. And that's and he did it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's what's really really hard is that is that
Speaker 1: after a game like that US included, you're in there,
Speaker 1: you want to talk to the guys, and it's very raw.
Speaker 1: Lavante did the same thing. That was right after he'd
Speaker 1: given that speech. And I was standing there watching t
Speaker 1: J interviewing. He was he was very good, but very emotional.
Speaker 1: He was having a tough time, like he just stopped
Speaker 1: at one point and just kind of like, uh, trying
Speaker 1: to do right by everybody knowing that t is trying
Speaker 1: to get his job done. It so uh and that's
Speaker 1: what you earned that you earned that in the locker room,
Speaker 1: just like when you talk to players and you know
Speaker 1: there's a respect. Fact. And I wouldn't bring this up
Speaker 1: either except it was already reported upon, but um our
Speaker 1: pr staff did a really good job of getting a
Speaker 1: word down to the sideline because after Mike caught the
Speaker 1: second touchdown pass, it's It's kind of incredible because that
Speaker 1: touchdown pass A gave us the lead in the game,
Speaker 1: b pass James Wilder for the second most touchdowns in
Speaker 1: team history with it was his forty seven touchdown only
Speaker 1: Mike all Stut has more and see was his fourty one,
Speaker 1: four and thirty one reception, which passed James Wilder for
Speaker 1: the most in team in history, all on one play.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. We knew that because we're prepared for that
Speaker 1: up in the press box by way, I mean mostly
Speaker 1: the communications chef, but also I know these things as well.
Speaker 1: There it was funny because the PR guys are watching
Speaker 1: this plan. They're going hold on the ball, Mike, hold
Speaker 1: onto the ball, you know, because they know it's a
Speaker 1: significant one. Mike probably has no clue Mike tossed it
Speaker 1: to somebody else, but they're keeping an eye on who
Speaker 1: has who they're calling on the silent going go to
Speaker 1: the guy in the hat. I don't remeber what they said,
Speaker 1: that guy in the in the in the blue hat,
Speaker 1: the kind of blue house got the ball. Make sure
Speaker 1: you get that ball for Mike because it's a milestone
Speaker 1: and players save balls on milestone. Well again, only because
Speaker 1: this is already reported. Otherwise, I would say it's a
Speaker 1: locker room thing and it doesn't need to be brought up.
Speaker 1: But uh, staffer went to give in the ball knowing
Speaker 1: that's not what was big on his mind right then.
Speaker 1: But here's the ball, and he didn't want it at
Speaker 1: the moment. He was very polite to the staffer, but
Speaker 1: he just it didn't matter to him at the moment.
Speaker 1: And I'm not just making it up. He was very
Speaker 1: nice to the staffer. He just didn't I didn't want
Speaker 1: to think about an individual achievement right there. And that's
Speaker 1: how frustrating this situation has become for a lot of
Speaker 1: the guys, and I have been around and so have you,
Speaker 1: when that has not always been the case with players
Speaker 1: moving in and out. I would like to say, for
Speaker 1: the most part, most players care very very very much.
Speaker 1: The vast majority of them. They care. They care when
Speaker 1: they're winning, they care when they're losing. They care probably
Speaker 1: even even more when you're losing. Um. Some players say
Speaker 1: that it hurts more to lose than it feels good
Speaker 1: to win, which is their motivation. Uh. But yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: there's gonna be option exceptions, and there's every now and
Speaker 1: then there's gonna be a team that's an exception. I
Speaker 1: think we both feel that. The two thousand eleven team UM,
Speaker 1: which lost like the last ten games, I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it was all invested there as the season war on.
Speaker 1: I have not felt that very often in twenty eight
Speaker 1: seasons here. Yeah, I'm kind of have to pretty rare
Speaker 1: in that I think I've I think I've experienced it twice.
Speaker 1: I don't remember another one. The only other one I
Speaker 1: experience was would have been ninety five. The last time
Speaker 1: whitch here was that when we started out five and two,
Speaker 1: and I remember how that season unfolded. I know was
Speaker 1: the last season for Sam White. I don't remember the feel,
Speaker 1: but you do clearly. I turned around quickly after that, though,
Speaker 1: because Tony Dungee came in and it did change the
Speaker 1: whole atmosphere. Alright, questions, questions, Alright, let me put on
Speaker 1: my reading lessons, which I okay, this one didn't actually
Speaker 1: come and I gotta be asking to you the mail
Speaker 1: and the inbox was very light, so I stole this question.
Speaker 1: It was actually sent inn I think to be used
Speaker 1: in my written mail bag. So this person may not
Speaker 1: even listen to the salty dogs. Well maybe they should
Speaker 1: person named p P. That's the first nation from Miller,
Speaker 1: who ends at saying an angry Buck fan that's just
Speaker 1: that's depressed. And there's a little there's four little emojis here,
Speaker 1: so I there's a lot of emotions going on, because
Speaker 1: the first one is a little crying to here, so
Speaker 1: I guess he's sad. The second one is I seem
Speaker 1: to be rolling around and his mouth is wide open
Speaker 1: like he's in utter shock. And then the next one
Speaker 1: in the face is all screwed up in the mouth
Speaker 1: is a wavy line, and I think that's like it
Speaker 1: kind of looks like a guy who's having trouble um evacuating,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. And then the fourth
Speaker 1: one is is obviously the very very un unhappy face.
Speaker 1: All of these emotions swirling around for P Miller. He says,
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of excuses, and I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: through a lot of this. We'll probably stop a few
Speaker 1: times because some of this triggers me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I he are a lot of excuses too to even
Speaker 1: be thought about for a playoffs about the Bucks need
Speaker 1: to win ten games? Are they able to do that?
Speaker 1: About to face the Seahawks defense that stingy at best
Speaker 1: seven question marks. Question marks. Uh, that's a theme throughout
Speaker 1: this question, so let's stop there. First of all, can
Speaker 1: we understand that there's a difference between excuses and explanations.
Speaker 1: Who's making the excuses here? All right? If you explain
Speaker 1: that in this last game, Jameis Winston's two interceptions were
Speaker 1: the fault of the receivers, that's not an excuse. Still
Speaker 1: still still happen. Yeah, But but widow happened is most
Speaker 1: people want to say, oh, you're just protecting the quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's you know, what's he throwing for? If they come
Speaker 1: with people doubting the quarterback, but don't act like that.
Speaker 1: The team is making excuses. That's the last thing that
Speaker 1: they're doing. Do Do you just want them to not
Speaker 1: explain anything, Well, it's an explanation, but they're not accepting
Speaker 1: the explanation because they, yes, they want to just blame someone.
Speaker 1: Coaches and players aren't in the excuse game. You don't
Speaker 1: guys playing with injuries and never tell anybody when they
Speaker 1: could be easy. You don't last very long if you're
Speaker 1: using excuses. So whatever you know, you can be as
Speaker 1: frustrated as you want, but don't act like that. That
Speaker 1: all the bucks ever do, all the players and coaches
Speaker 1: ever do is make excuses for bad things. They're explaining
Speaker 1: what happened, and most of the times they're frustrated by it. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know where he's coming from, though he's coming You
Speaker 1: explained in very nice detail, including something I didn't know yet,
Speaker 1: why that fumbled snap happened. And somebody out there might say, oh,
Speaker 1: they're making an excuse for Jamis when it's an explanation
Speaker 1: why that particular one wasn't his fault. Well, that particular one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you stopped just for a second, he you go, jeez,
Speaker 1: how could the ball get snapped? And so you're thinking
Speaker 1: Jamis isn't even ready for the he's not ready. Well,
Speaker 1: he's not ready because he's still calling out what he
Speaker 1: wants done, or he's looking to see and he's what's
Speaker 1: the coverage look like the pre snap? Look at what
Speaker 1: the coverage? Anyway? I got a little now, But that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's that's good. Not to mention. Yes we can, I'll
Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, you'd be the bad dog, I'll be
Speaker 1: the good dog. Right, Okay, he says we he seems
Speaker 1: to think we can't do anything against the stingy Seahawks defense.
Speaker 1: He first of all, you're you're remembering the Seahawks from
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Yeah, muscles players aren't there anymore.
Speaker 1: There twenty seven in the league against the past, so
Speaker 1: it's not that stingy. And oh, by the way, they
Speaker 1: were up twenty four to nothing against the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 1: against Matt shab and Matt Schaub came back and almost wanted.
Speaker 1: In fact, they needed to recover an onside kick in
Speaker 1: order to seal the game. So I would say defence
Speaker 1: is not as good, but it's defense is pretty strong.
Speaker 1: It's still a good defense. But I think that that
Speaker 1: this fan is thinking of them le boom boom um,
Speaker 1: which that's not what they are anymore. I'd be like
Speaker 1: saying the Buck's great strength is their defense because you
Speaker 1: remember from thousand five. Uh, but they are a very
Speaker 1: good team, and Russell Wilson is phenomenal. He's he'd probably
Speaker 1: be my m VP choice right now. Um, maybe McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: but in any case, um yeah, but we just you
Speaker 1: know who you know who had scored more than twenty
Speaker 1: points on Tennessee before we went there, nobody, nobody, seventeen
Speaker 1: points is what they gave up. No, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: average was sixteen, but that nobody had No individual team
Speaker 1: has scored more than twenty, and we did. So if
Speaker 1: we can go and score more than anybody has in Tennessee,
Speaker 1: we can score in Seattle. Okay. Can Winston stopped throwing interceptions?
Speaker 1: Well that's the that's the big question. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we would like and in this last game, who knows
Speaker 1: if it was his fault. The coach doesn't think that
Speaker 1: we have the basics for a good team, but for
Speaker 1: for for some reason, they are not playing like they could. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what's frustrating everybody else. He's accurate on that,
Speaker 1: and it's what's so frustrating in here. To the players.
Speaker 1: We basically have a good defense except for the secondary,
Speaker 1: which by the numbers is true. I think there's some
Speaker 1: promise therey, But again, I'm not gonna try to sell
Speaker 1: you something you don't want to buy. Is it true
Speaker 1: you're not making excuses? I'm not. Is it true JPP
Speaker 1: is thinking about and wants to be traded? Six six
Speaker 1: question marks? You're watching, You're you're looking at you're looking
Speaker 1: at the rumor speculation if he goes first of all,
Speaker 1: this thing about this for a second. Okay, here's a
Speaker 1: guy that was in an automobile accident that couldn't play
Speaker 1: that for his neck, for his neck, who rehabbed the
Speaker 1: play got back as soon as he possibly got He's
Speaker 1: played one game. At what point did he say I
Speaker 1: want to be traded? He at that point in time,
Speaker 1: no one wants to touch him because they're not sure
Speaker 1: how he's going to respond to this injury. So he
Speaker 1: plays one game and that was against Tennessee. Played well,
Speaker 1: but the question that you have to wonder is he
Speaker 1: played well? But it's like anything else, you don't know
Speaker 1: how he feels as it goes on. So I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see that as I didn't hear if I
Speaker 1: if that's a failure of me as a team. Reporters
Speaker 1: out there, but I personally haven't seen that. It would
Speaker 1: surprise me if that were true. But also I don't
Speaker 1: think would do it, so it's wrong. Well, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think teams would take a chance like that
Speaker 1: right now, because you stick question, Wait a minute, we've
Speaker 1: got till two. Yeah, we're we're recording this on Tuesday. Um,
Speaker 1: and and this is deadline day and it's right now,
Speaker 1: it's a little after two. So um, unless something's going
Speaker 1: on while we're down here in our lavish studio. Well,
Speaker 1: something did go on, but not with us. Rams traded
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I'm gonna bring it up
Speaker 1: is Rams traded to Keep to Leap. There were rumors
Speaker 1: about that. And guess where he went, New England? Nope, Miami? What? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he I thought he could block trades. I
Speaker 1: guess I guess he did block one, but agreed to
Speaker 1: go to Miami. Yeah, wait a minute, Miami traded four
Speaker 1: or keep to Leab. Yes, what did they trade? Hold on?
Speaker 1: Let me find it again? This just this seems like
Speaker 1: are you sure you not can trolled here? I would
Speaker 1: if you'd let me keep guessing. I think Miami would
Speaker 1: have been the last team I would. Well, Bucks probably
Speaker 1: would have been last. They trade it. Uh, let's see, um,
Speaker 1: Rams sent a keep to leave for a fifth round
Speaker 1: pick to the Dolphins. Who and they traded a keep
Speaker 1: to lead and a fifth round to the Dolphins for
Speaker 1: a future pick. The future pick is uh, let's see,
Speaker 1: without knowing what the future pick is the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: sending back. Can't really assess that trade, but it seems
Speaker 1: likely that the future pick is actually worse than the
Speaker 1: fifth rounder. Well would have to be, you would think, right, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: it says, uh you know, b Yeah, that is bizarre. Also,
Speaker 1: whether to un till he actually plays for the Dolphins
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. He want to flip them already. Now,
Speaker 1: this is interesting. And the reason why I bring this
Speaker 1: up is because we were just talking about he's currently
Speaker 1: on injured reserve and got traded, so I was talking
Speaker 1: about JPP. Why would you take that chance? So? Um yeah,
Speaker 1: which which is kind and I'm gonna have to read
Speaker 1: more about that. I don't get it. Yeah, that just
Speaker 1: that just cropped up. But and the only reason why
Speaker 1: I bring it up during the Salty Dogs is because
Speaker 1: he played here, yeah, and because we were talking about
Speaker 1: trade deadliness. Okay, so back to this question, because we're
Speaker 1: not done. Uh Okay, a player stops running the entire route.
Speaker 1: But when Winston stops and looks, don't throw it to
Speaker 1: where the right wide receiver is supposed to be throwing
Speaker 1: to him where he's at right? No, wrong, This is
Speaker 1: this is showing a basic lack of understanding of the
Speaker 1: game of football, especially in the in the NFL. Because
Speaker 1: in the NFL, these fantastic defenders don't just give you
Speaker 1: wide open windows where you can go run over there
Speaker 1: and and then decide to throw it there. You're throwing
Speaker 1: to a spot. It's not college ball, right, And that's
Speaker 1: and that's why I when when when everyone goes, oh,
Speaker 1: why you know, why would he throw it there, Well,
Speaker 1: he's already thrown it exactly if he waits for him
Speaker 1: to get there. It's sees where he is and throws
Speaker 1: it to where he presumes he's going to go where
Speaker 1: according to what has been said, he was supposed to. Yes,
Speaker 1: because as you said with the cover two, he should
Speaker 1: have gone inside and you hope to catch that post
Speaker 1: like in front and between those two guys, right, Um
Speaker 1: that that that's just ridiculous. The quarterback the NFL plays
Speaker 1: don't work like this. Quarterback drops back, sees where the
Speaker 1: receiver is, and decides then to throw the ball in
Speaker 1: that spot. That's not how it works. That you would
Speaker 1: never complete anything in the NFL. No, and and a
Speaker 1: lot of former players who are doing media and whatnot,
Speaker 1: they all that was the one play that everyone agreed
Speaker 1: upon where that was not Jamis's fault. Sunday was a
Speaker 1: game we should have won, again we didn't. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with no, we're not denying that. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with the fourth and one or fourth and two? Go
Speaker 1: for it? While we did go for it and on
Speaker 1: fourth and one, And we've described the reasoning the coaches
Speaker 1: had for not going on the other one, so I
Speaker 1: think we've already covered that. And he keeps saying right
Speaker 1: with like six question marks ater each one, like this
Speaker 1: is some obvious point that we're not understanding, even though
Speaker 1: half of his points are wrong. We were getting first
Speaker 1: downs when we had a fourth and one, etcetera. But
Speaker 1: yesterday kicking and waere you're using a field goal doesn't
Speaker 1: cut it. I don't know what that means, especially when
Speaker 1: the team is done near the goal line right, yes, right,
Speaker 1: exactly the red zone. The red zone problems have been
Speaker 1: but the red zone h The two times with kick
Speaker 1: field goals weren't fourth and fourth and one fourth and
Speaker 1: goal at the one. They were more like at the
Speaker 1: four and the five. So that's not accurate either. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but that's the way this guy feels yes, But I
Speaker 1: will say this, it's frustration. Sure. Is that an example
Speaker 1: of frustration. And I can guarantee you that nothing if
Speaker 1: he hears us, nothing we said will make him. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make him feel better. I'm just
Speaker 1: you know what he was saying. We were responding without excuses,
Speaker 1: talking factual. But I totally understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: I can understand the I mean, first of all, he
Speaker 1: is so frustrated. He took time out to write yes,
Speaker 1: So I give him props for that. So to me,
Speaker 1: he's a fan. That that's that's that's an angry capitalist.
Speaker 1: But at least you're out there. But he didn't say
Speaker 1: a former fan. You know. I can't take I can't
Speaker 1: take this anymore. He's just like, damn it, that's my
Speaker 1: team and I'm not happy right now. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: glorious when the sun finally comes out, Jeff, and that
Speaker 1: that stadium was packed again, come and see we get
Speaker 1: to talk about well, then you don't have to work.
Speaker 1: Is hard because everything falls in your lap. But hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is a bit surprising to me,
Speaker 1: but we got a fan who purposely tried to help us.
Speaker 1: He didn't know we were going to do this right
Speaker 1: after we read a fan from a letter from a
Speaker 1: very frustrated fan. But this is funny. Read how this
Speaker 1: goes down? All right? Uh? Dogs, I figure you guys
Speaker 1: might need some help staying positive this week, so I'm
Speaker 1: here to help. I like it. I do think that's
Speaker 1: a pretty praising way to make sure we read your question.
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty good. I'm here to help you
Speaker 1: help let me. It's be like, hey, I hope you
Speaker 1: answer my question. Jeff Rayin is a very very handsome
Speaker 1: and his voice is malefluis. Wow, then I would you
Speaker 1: know he's got a good chance of getting it in there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to look that word up. Malefluis. You
Speaker 1: don't know that word. No, you have a millifluous voice.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? It's good to listen to. Oh
Speaker 1: why don't you just say it's a nice voice. I
Speaker 1: said it in one word, Okay. I used the word
Speaker 1: coquetish the other day and nobody knew what I was
Speaker 1: talking about. Either. You have a very large vocabulary. I
Speaker 1: can tell you through the years of the large vocabulary
Speaker 1: really really turns the girls on. I can I can
Speaker 1: play this game. I can go. I did it for
Speaker 1: the listeners. They would know I'm pretty good at that,
Speaker 1: even in rough seasons. I think he means being positive,
Speaker 1: which you have to admit has been pretty helpful late. Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess it's just I guess I just don't let
Speaker 1: it get me down. It's just sports, So you know,
Speaker 1: this is another way you can follow your favorite team,
Speaker 1: and it's harder to do that, and some people aren't
Speaker 1: wired that way. You're you're right and and you're right.
Speaker 1: It's just sports and you should enjoy it. And sometimes,
Speaker 1: as frustrated as it as I get, sometimes I have
Speaker 1: to tell myself, hey, this is this is still a
Speaker 1: pretty Yeah, yeah, it's still definitely I've never felt otherwise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, because it is. It is a whole lot
Speaker 1: more fun when you're winning. There's there's so much more
Speaker 1: to enjoy. But again, going back to what it said
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this podcast, it's a weird feeling
Speaker 1: in the buildings week. There's a lot of confidence, so
Speaker 1: it'll be we could maybe we'll be happy next year.
Speaker 1: There's there's no there there is no folding to tense.
Speaker 1: I didn't even mean that I wouldn't expect folding of
Speaker 1: the tense anyway for me, He says, it's just sports
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, I'm sure it's much more to
Speaker 1: the players and coaches. Okay, again, he's really showing a
Speaker 1: lot of good perception. Anyway. I've come to lot of
Speaker 1: lava softball at you, so i'd say nice things for
Speaker 1: a while this podcast. Hey, how about that? JPP? Huh,
Speaker 1: that's the question. How about that? That was a good start,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. What do you guys think you can do
Speaker 1: the rest of the way and we'll really make a
Speaker 1: difference in our pass rush. Don't say I never did
Speaker 1: anything nice for you. And he tells himself Mr. Positive
Speaker 1: his name, he's in Brandon. He didn't I saw in
Speaker 1: his email address. What is thing? Probably is, but he
Speaker 1: just says Steve s well, Steve, it is very very positive,
Speaker 1: and I I think it's a big deal. I mean
Speaker 1: he didn't start officially, he wasn't out there for the
Speaker 1: first play. However, his first play was a sack. It's amazing,
Speaker 1: which you can't write incredible. You can't write that. Guy hasn't. Guy,
Speaker 1: He's practiced basically by himself for two weeks, right, no,
Speaker 1: he last week it was with the team, Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but I mean the week before they were
Speaker 1: yeah and so um and so you just show the
Speaker 1: determination that he has and you even mentioned it in
Speaker 1: the podcast that people like, how can you come back
Speaker 1: from it? And he's that guy. Huh. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like if you wrote this in a script, his first playback,
Speaker 1: he gets us. He gets a sack that you know
Speaker 1: the editor would get to give it back to you.
Speaker 1: I was like, not coming on, that's too, that's two
Speaker 1: on the nose. It's it's like as dumb as the
Speaker 1: movie Rudy, which is dumb. No, it's a green and dumb.
Speaker 1: After I tweeted about that he had one play one sack,
Speaker 1: somebody named Devin tweeted back, can we let and it's
Speaker 1: his hashtag, it's his address ud W JPP play every down,
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, if you can get one sack every down,
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty efficient player. But okay, here's here's
Speaker 1: one for you. H shack. Barrett got a sack too,
Speaker 1: So what does JPP bring in? He brings in fresh legs.
Speaker 1: Massive got a sack too, So all three got a sack.
Speaker 1: So that you know you can't complain about that. People
Speaker 1: were asking me um in letters in on like the
Speaker 1: Wednesday Show, how you know who's gonna who's gonna lose snaps?
Speaker 1: What's the rotation gonna be like? Because you don't really
Speaker 1: Shack has been such a breakout star and Carl is
Speaker 1: a good player to who now has three sacks? You
Speaker 1: don't wanna, you know, you don't want to take those
Speaker 1: guys off the field a lot, right, But um, here's
Speaker 1: here's the thing to factor in there. JPP and Carl
Speaker 1: are both kind of versatile guys, and there were snaps
Speaker 1: were all three. There were plenty of snaps for all
Speaker 1: three of them are on the field together, and they
Speaker 1: find a way to do that that I can vividly
Speaker 1: remember one play second half for we had because in
Speaker 1: in our sub packages it really is usually a four
Speaker 1: man front. Yeah, I know everybody thinks we're a three four,
Speaker 1: but it's not really true. It's Will Galston explained here
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Um, it's it's basically a four man front.
Speaker 1: And the four men out there were um In, Tomin,
Speaker 1: Consue and then those three outside quote unquote outside linebackers.
Speaker 1: All of them together, I think JPP had slid inside
Speaker 1: on that one. So basically you're you're wringing your hands
Speaker 1: that he's gonna take snaps away from Barrett and Nassive,
Speaker 1: and to some extent he probably does. And I think
Speaker 1: that's good for everybody involved. If you're not talking, we're
Speaker 1: not talking. Those guys are playing about eighty three percent
Speaker 1: of snaps for the first six games. We're not talking
Speaker 1: about taking that down to forty. But maybe there as now.
Speaker 1: But the other thing to consider is that some of
Speaker 1: JPP snaps he's taking away from guys like Vita Vea
Speaker 1: or Will Galston. Uh, and everybody just everybody has a
Speaker 1: little bit fewer and everybody's probably a little bit better
Speaker 1: and they all feel, yeah, well it's fresh legs. That's
Speaker 1: what we need to do. All last year just never
Speaker 1: never came about you. You love to have that kind
Speaker 1: of depth. Yes, I mean the front line, the front
Speaker 1: seven looks pretty darn good right now, very very promising. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, most of those guys could
Speaker 1: be around for the long haul, right And I mean
Speaker 1: I know in Dominicans on a one year deal, um
Speaker 1: Shack Barretts on a one year deal. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: mean who knows which and how many of them will
Speaker 1: try to keep around. But for the moment, the front
Speaker 1: seven looks pretty promising, right, No, I uh, I was
Speaker 1: excited that I Jpp is just a really good guy too,
Speaker 1: so I was really happy for him that he was
Speaker 1: able to come back like he. I also think he's
Speaker 1: a guy that gets people fired up in the locker room.
Speaker 1: I thought for I thought for a minute when Lavante
Speaker 1: started talk, because I couldn't see that it was maybe him,
Speaker 1: because it would be something he would do because it
Speaker 1: was very forceful and and and and Lavante is not
Speaker 1: usually that way. That's a great point, Jeff. That had
Speaker 1: to be that had the guys had to be looking
Speaker 1: around going, you know, it's the kind of thing like
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee said, is like his parents were teachers, right,
Speaker 1: and they he always said, you know, yeah, people call
Speaker 1: him quiet, but that's because when you speak up, people listen.
Speaker 1: And when La David decides to speak up at a
Speaker 1: very raw and emotional voice, people are freaking gonna listen.
Speaker 1: In Dominic and Sue was on Bucks Total Access last
Speaker 1: night Monday night, and he was talking about Lavante and
Speaker 1: what he said, and he said he felt that it
Speaker 1: came from the heart. Well that was pretty clear. And
Speaker 1: I you know, and did he say what he said?
Speaker 1: Did he give you the substance? No, he didn't get
Speaker 1: me into it a whole lot. And and I think
Speaker 1: it's one of those uh family things. I think so
Speaker 1: he I want just that's why I asked. I would
Speaker 1: guess that he didn't really get much into the substance.
Speaker 1: But if he did, it'd be good to talk about.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to bring it up because I'm not
Speaker 1: part of that. So if some if I see something
Speaker 1: or hear something the locker room, I'm not saying a
Speaker 1: word about it. Yeah, you know, unless it's out there. No,
Speaker 1: I know, he just said it was very heartfelt. It
Speaker 1: was very you know, he felt it came from the heart,
Speaker 1: he felt it. It It wasn't this. You know, we've
Speaker 1: seen guys. Yeah, we've seen guys do speeches that just
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't do that where it's corn and
Speaker 1: but I know, yeah, this was And I think from
Speaker 1: the reaction, I think it's struck a nerve because is
Speaker 1: maybe that's why this weird unccurrent. Maybe maybe was like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, pumped up by that or well I pumped
Speaker 1: up the wrong phrase. I think it's like it's frustrated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's frustrated as you are. You're kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: if we each just pay, you know, it's quick making
Speaker 1: mistakes and we're going to be good. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: what it takes. Well, that's how teams turned the corner though,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean if you you know, you go
Speaker 1: back to to n six, the bucks were what eight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and um, stay the course and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden started winning and and everybody was like, holy smokes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it does work. Let's let's acknowledge that that felt
Speaker 1: as a fan, that felt a lot better in ninety
Speaker 1: seven when what happened in ninety six put the foundation
Speaker 1: for the turn around at ninety seven. But it wasn't.
Speaker 1: In ninety six. They they win five straight games at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, No, not five straight, because
Speaker 1: they went from one in eight to six and tenths.
Speaker 1: We won five of our last seven, which was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and included that San Diego game that everybody considers the
Speaker 1: turning point. Um, John Lynch had a pick and and
Speaker 1: they apparently there was the infamous, not the infamous, but
Speaker 1: famous meeting the whole term between the big three Chin
Speaker 1: Snap and Brooks and saying and they see and they're like,
Speaker 1: that's that's got to stop right now. Um, So maybe
Speaker 1: Lavante's speech someday will be remembered in the same thing.
Speaker 1: We'll see, although that was a loss in in this
Speaker 1: Indeo game, was a win, Uh, that would be That
Speaker 1: would be nice because any anymore that you can add
Speaker 1: to the greatness of Lavante's career when it's all sudden done,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in favor of it, because when it's all
Speaker 1: said done, he's going to be um. Assuming that he
Speaker 1: continues to play here, he's going to be challenging the
Speaker 1: top ten all time. You know, right now, did you
Speaker 1: see the Tampa Bay Um Times put out that top
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks during the bye week? Don't even get
Speaker 1: me started. I want to get you started. Do we
Speaker 1: got do? We got two? Two or three minutes? You want?
Speaker 1: You didn't like it? No, you didn't, Okay, So let
Speaker 1: me let me just I know how it started. It was, Um,
Speaker 1: Derek Brooks. You don't have a problem with that, right
Speaker 1: Number one? I would have taken Lee roy S. But
Speaker 1: that's you could call him one A and one B
Speaker 1: right now, Okay, I don't care which order you put
Speaker 1: those two in. And then they had Warren step three.
Speaker 1: I mean, he isn't a hall of fame. Those are
Speaker 1: your three hall of fame. And then they had Challenge four.
Speaker 1: I think I might put Rende four in Lynch five,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna quibble. But I didn't think Rande
Speaker 1: should be six. No offense to Doug Williams. We all
Speaker 1: love Doug Williams, right, but he was five. I think
Speaker 1: Randie Barber had a greater impact on for obviously for
Speaker 1: a much longer amount of time on this team than
Speaker 1: Doug Williams. It felt to me like an attempt not
Speaker 1: to make the top five all defenders from that great
Speaker 1: defense summon. So uh okay, So that was my quibble.
Speaker 1: What you seem to have something he didn't like. My
Speaker 1: biggest quible quibble was and and I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: friend of mine and he's on our broadcast team, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, the man played thirteen years for this
Speaker 1: franchise and they put him at what seventy weigh seventies
Speaker 1: some seventies six, something like that, And as soon as
Speaker 1: I saw that, then, uh, you got all credence gone
Speaker 1: because I looked at some of the other names that
Speaker 1: were lower than his and I went, really, so it's
Speaker 1: been there three years and you think that made the impact.
Speaker 1: So I will say I will say that Dave Moore
Speaker 1: played thirteen years, and Dave was you know, he was
Speaker 1: a journeyman tight end. You know, he did what he
Speaker 1: was supposed to do. But if if you look back
Speaker 1: at um Mike Alstadt and Dave more tandem plays, or
Speaker 1: you know, Dave did a lot of blocking. I know
Speaker 1: he was for some years he was basically a fullback. Yes,
Speaker 1: stay Moore did whatever the team needed him to, including
Speaker 1: playing with a what did he have to collapsed long
Speaker 1: one time? Or yeah, he collapsed as long on the
Speaker 1: sideline and after the game was over with he was
Speaker 1: in the hospital for three days as a football player,
Speaker 1: and he played with a stent his last game against Dallas.
Speaker 1: The only thing I would say is I wouldn't I
Speaker 1: don't think that's an accurate use of the word journeyman,
Speaker 1: because that that implies a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick has
Speaker 1: been on a bunch of different teams and really he
Speaker 1: had a very brief lesson season stay in Miami, and
Speaker 1: then he was a buccaneer for the vast majority of
Speaker 1: his career for form Part in the Middle and Buffalo. Yep,
Speaker 1: he spent three three two years. And so I don't
Speaker 1: think he was a journeyman. I think he was a
Speaker 1: buccaneer with a couple of little older stops. But but
Speaker 1: as you talk about, yeah, as that point, but I
Speaker 1: also I also looked at a lot of the different names,
Speaker 1: and I could see where someone would be. It was
Speaker 1: more recognizable names than you know. But the thing about
Speaker 1: it's hard to do one of those listens. And then
Speaker 1: the next thing I'm gonna say is, whenever you do
Speaker 1: a list you do it because you want everybody to
Speaker 1: talk about it and tell you they should have been
Speaker 1: four or five. Though, um, I don't think you're getting
Speaker 1: an argument there. I don't think you get an argument.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I would say. There's a chance. Okay,
Speaker 1: the reason the reason why look at Brooks, sap Lynch,
Speaker 1: all those guys. Their friends still keep in contact with them,
Speaker 1: all of this. But one of the things that makes
Speaker 1: all of them special is they were all together. They
Speaker 1: were all together. If you go back and you know
Speaker 1: Leroy Selman carried this franchise. He carried the franchise. And
Speaker 1: that's why I put him them because there was there
Speaker 1: was nothing there was if anything else Leroy. If Leroy
Speaker 1: was in the game, you felt like you had a
Speaker 1: chance to win. And then Doug Williams made the difference
Speaker 1: from in the seventy nine season when they look off.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for sure, for sure, and and Williams should
Speaker 1: be up there, he should be up to question. Right.
Speaker 1: But but those are the those are the arguments. That's
Speaker 1: kind of the old school in me and the new school,
Speaker 1: because you know, I got to see both. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with putting Lee right
Speaker 1: number one in Brooks too. If if I were doing
Speaker 1: the opposite side of that argument, I would say they
Speaker 1: both were. They're both Hall of famers. They both were
Speaker 1: NFL Defensive Player of the Year. Uh and they both
Speaker 1: were if you stack of the numbers, they have phenomenal numbers.
Speaker 1: But in Brooks's favor, he played a lot longer. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he um he wanted he won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But yes, but I will say this, how good Lee
Speaker 1: Roy Selman was because he really only played I think
Speaker 1: seven seasons he got eight because he was injured on
Speaker 1: that the one season played nine years, well one year,
Speaker 1: but one year he didn't play. He was on injured music.
Speaker 1: But how he could change in game game in that
Speaker 1: short period of time and to get into the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame with that short span of time in because
Speaker 1: usually when you see Hall of Fame players, they played
Speaker 1: for a long time. Right, he played nine years, Jeff
Speaker 1: eighty four. Eighty five was the year he was on
Speaker 1: i R because he heard his neck in the Pro Bowl. Right,
Speaker 1: eighty four is nine seasons. He played nine seasons. He
Speaker 1: was hurt in the first year and the league only
Speaker 1: had nine games. But that's another that's another that's another
Speaker 1: point in Derek Brooks's favor over his h how many
Speaker 1: years he had fourteen? I think over his fourteen years
Speaker 1: he never missed a game. Ever, he never missed a
Speaker 1: game and it probably should availability is one of the
Speaker 1: big big abilities question. And don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a different era of football. Also, we're just
Speaker 1: arguing one A and one base. Uh. And if you
Speaker 1: want to put warrants AP three, I don't think people argue,
Speaker 1: especially since he's the other Hall of Famer Um But
Speaker 1: then to me, I get Doug Williams is importance, but
Speaker 1: Randie was is probably to me more important to this franchise.
Speaker 1: And he was instrumental. He wasn't just on the team
Speaker 1: that won the Super Bowl, he was instrumental to getting
Speaker 1: to them to that championship. So, um, the other thing, Okay, look,
Speaker 1: I know they only want to make before we move
Speaker 1: on if you have if you were, you got Doug
Speaker 1: Williams and you've got Randee Barber, and you you know
Speaker 1: how important each of them was to this franchise. Ronnie
Speaker 1: Barber might someday, hopefully and he should end up in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame as great as Doug Williams was.
Speaker 1: Is there any chance he's going to be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? I think you should be. But he's not.
Speaker 1: He's never even he's not in the like finalists, right,
Speaker 1: So that's not gonna happen. No, it probably ends up
Speaker 1: as the veteran that I don't know. The only other
Speaker 1: thing I want to say about Darren Brooks and Leroy Salmon,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say another word in this podcast. No.
Speaker 1: The only reason why I'm gonna say is is that
Speaker 1: not only both of them were great football players, but
Speaker 1: the things they did for their community is m believable.
Speaker 1: When you step back and look at both those men,
Speaker 1: they're both number one. It's how's that you like that?
Speaker 1: I got the last word in since you did. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening. H