Speaker 1: Through marriage. Now that in your second marriage, your new marriage,
Speaker 1: what are the like, the best advice that you can
Speaker 1: give us that are trying to make things work.
Speaker 2: I think it's definitely communication, but more communication when you
Speaker 2: don't feel like it.
Speaker 3: I used to be the one that would criticize the
Speaker 3: stay at whole month. I'll be honest, and I've been
Speaker 3: doing it for about a year and I'm just like, no, honestly,
Speaker 3: my respects. You start at six am and you don't
Speaker 3: stop till eight nine o'clock at night, and you don't
Speaker 3: get paid for this, dude.
Speaker 1: Hello you guys, and welcome to season three of Cheeky's
Speaker 1: and Chill in our brand new set. You guys right up,
Speaker 1: applause for that. I'm so excited. This is our very
Speaker 1: first episode and I am grateful when I have like
Speaker 1: little cards of that we are elevating this so to
Speaker 1: start this very first episode the third season, thanks to
Speaker 1: you guys, To all the listeners, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I have a very special actually two very special guests.
Speaker 1: One of them have been on the pod before. She
Speaker 1: is a entrepreneur, she is a singer, she is a
Speaker 1: CEO a very important company. She's a mommy, she's a wife,
Speaker 1: and she's my sister, Jacqueline, Jacqueline rivera compos and her husband,
Speaker 1: Mike compos You guys, a round of applause for them.
Speaker 1: Everyone at home clap too. And I'm just kidding. Just
Speaker 1: be careful. But anyways, you guys, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming, Thank you for staying here.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Of course, the colors are warm, right, very cute. Yes,
Speaker 1: exactly because you guys actually we're talking about this and
Speaker 1: and thank you because I wanted it to be very
Speaker 1: warm and homey and for it to give you like
Speaker 1: a nice little just warm hub. Yes, and talking about that,
Speaker 1: there's a few things that I'm going to talk to
Speaker 1: my sister, sure and Mike about. I call Mike my
Speaker 1: bro or you know, that's my homie. But I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk too much about a certain subject about
Speaker 1: their relationship because, as many of you may know, or
Speaker 1: maybe you don't know, Jackie and Mike, you guys have
Speaker 1: been married for how long, eleven years in total, eleven
Speaker 1: years in total. They just got remarried. They just renewed
Speaker 1: their vowels and that was beautiful. I have to I
Speaker 1: have to say, you guys have had a blast ethnic wedding.
Speaker 4: Sister, your speech was amazing.
Speaker 1: Really, I don't remember. I was. I was a little buzzed,
Speaker 1: but it was so funny because let me, can I
Speaker 1: be honest, the first wedding it was. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, guys. The first wedding there was
Speaker 1: no alcohol. No, there was only Christian.
Speaker 4: We got married on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: They got married on a Wednesday. My mom and I.
Speaker 1: I think stuff was getting a little weird between my
Speaker 1: mom and I then, so it was the tension was weird. Anyways, Fine,
Speaker 1: it was, it was great, but this one was so
Speaker 1: much better.
Speaker 4: And I mean it was. It's very completely different.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: Like an alto.
Speaker 1: So is it safe to say that you guys were
Speaker 1: more religious back then? Yes? And the mindset by the rules,
Speaker 1: living by the rules, which is there's a difference between
Speaker 1: like religion and being a person of faith. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: relations explained that real quick. I don't know who wants
Speaker 1: to go first, but you guys.
Speaker 3: Well very you know. I'll let Jackie explain it more
Speaker 3: in details. But back then it was more taught if
Speaker 3: you act a certain way out like if I look
Speaker 3: better outside outwardly, then then that makes you a good Christian.
Speaker 3: So that's why our first wedding you can kind of
Speaker 3: see there was a lot of like, let's make sure
Speaker 3: it looks good. But then at that time I didn't
Speaker 3: know what was more important was the inside.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the relationship exactly, which I see a huge
Speaker 1: difference in you, Mike in so many different ways, you guys,
Speaker 1: because we're going to talk a little bit. And again,
Speaker 1: the whole point that I was saying was we can't
Speaker 1: talk too much. We don't want to talk too much
Speaker 1: about the depth of the relationship because they've gone through
Speaker 1: a lot and they got remarried and they're just two
Speaker 1: completely different people. Their relationship is completely different. Because Mike,
Speaker 1: my brother in law here, is going to come out
Speaker 1: with his own actually already came out with his own podcast.
Speaker 1: His podcast is called what is it called? I want
Speaker 1: him to introduce it.
Speaker 3: It's embarrassing to be proud. Well, in the process, I'm
Speaker 3: working in my own self confidence and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But it's actually going to be called the Mac effect.
Speaker 1: So the Mac effect, you guys. So I think I
Speaker 1: think it's awesome, but it's also because those are your initials.
Speaker 3: Those are my initials.
Speaker 4: Because he's a mac.
Speaker 1: Daddy, but he ain't no mac daddy, Okay, And then
Speaker 1: what are you going to talk about on that podcast?
Speaker 3: Well, the purpose for it at first, because I already
Speaker 3: have I actually sat down with my wife and I
Speaker 3: asked for her help as far as you know, helped
Speaker 3: me how to schedule the first season. So I already
Speaker 3: have the first ten episodes as far as what we're
Speaker 3: going to discuss. But the purpose of it is to
Speaker 3: help other men. I really want to help men because
Speaker 3: I feel like we don't get that help. Like it's
Speaker 3: not easy for a man to say, hey, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm struggling in my marriage or I'm struggling.
Speaker 1: As a man, especially as latinos han. Yeah, I'm a cheesemoll.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of yeah pride.
Speaker 3: Oh and I'm still going through it now. So that's
Speaker 3: kind of the purpose. And then if it branches off
Speaker 3: to other stuff, you know, for marriages and things like that,
Speaker 3: then let's go for it, you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you guys are going to talk about all
Speaker 1: the because there were so many things that were said
Speaker 1: and not even said but made up too about your guys'
Speaker 1: relationship and just a lot of stuff. I'm shure, you
Speaker 1: guys are going to talk about that, which I think
Speaker 1: is super cool because you it should come out of
Speaker 1: you guys, and this is your relationship and you guys
Speaker 1: should do it together, which I think is awesome. So
Speaker 1: congratulations on that, bro. I think that's awesome. I think
Speaker 1: that that's what I do here on the podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: very honest and about everything, and that's the only way
Speaker 1: is to change lives is if we're honest and well
Speaker 1: exactly being vulnerable. There's so much power and being vulnerable.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's great, especially being a voice
Speaker 1: for Latino men in general. I mean there, I think
Speaker 1: we there's so many taboos, you know, and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So so I think that's great. I wish you the
Speaker 1: very best, and maybe one day I can go on
Speaker 1: your podcast.
Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, all right, we're gonna go to mac Daddy's.
Speaker 1: I mean, not mac Daddy's, the Mac Effect. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I didn't really have too much
Speaker 1: planned as to what we wanted to talk about, because
Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about. I do want to
Speaker 1: kind of and I'm glad that that Mike is here
Speaker 1: because we've had, we've been on the on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about different things, even on Janica's podcast
Speaker 1: over Comfort You guys check those episodes out as well,
Speaker 1: because we had very deep conversations on there as well.
Speaker 1: I know. Anyways, we're such cribaby and media always says,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, you and Jackie are like
Speaker 1: like so much alike. It's crazy. We're like goofy and
Speaker 1: silly and like.
Speaker 4: The voice everything everything is true.
Speaker 1: So this is you, guys. Raised Yeah, So okay, So
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about first of all,
Speaker 1: the mom makeover okay, which I was there. Yes, I
Speaker 1: helped out, but I have to tell you guys, and
Speaker 1: I said this on Thanksgiving again, I was drinking the case.
Speaker 1: I don't remember too, but it was awesome because I've
Speaker 1: seen the change in your guys' relationship and in both
Speaker 1: of you, but I got to experience it firsthand being
Speaker 1: there helping take care of you. Yeah, and I love
Speaker 1: that he was like this is my wife. Like he
Speaker 1: was like on it, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: like even the first day you're like, I respected like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you need me there? The very first day you're
Speaker 1: like okay, no, like I think it's it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I got there helping her out. But dude,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, guys, the patience of this man
Speaker 1: that I was, like, whoa asked that melanim It gives
Speaker 1: me emotional because it gets me emotional because he was
Speaker 1: very different. And he'll tell you guys about this on
Speaker 1: his podcast. He's going to be like, but he was
Speaker 1: very different. I mean even you sister were very pa
Speaker 1: You're very different. Now it's I see it. It's a
Speaker 1: very strong relationship. But the fact that he was taking
Speaker 1: care of my sister and was wiping her booty and everything,
Speaker 1: like was patient to I don't know how this guy
Speaker 1: did it. I don't know how he did it because
Speaker 1: he would wake up and take the kids to school
Speaker 1: and and he would make them their their pack, their
Speaker 1: lunch and the breakfast and take some and then come
Speaker 1: back and pick up the other one and then take
Speaker 1: care of my sister. And it was just I'm glad
Speaker 1: of that Janica and I because it wasn't just me.
Speaker 1: Janica also helped out that you freaking were there, dude,
Speaker 1: and the way that you're loving my sister, like I
Speaker 1: can tell you that I'm so grateful that you guys
Speaker 1: have stayed together and have four beautiful children, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm very proud of you guys. I have to
Speaker 1: say it. And what I said on Thanksgiving, and I
Speaker 1: don't really remember what it was, but I know it
Speaker 1: was about your relationship. But like this guy and I
Speaker 1: was crying.
Speaker 4: I think, I think you're really grateful for him.
Speaker 1: People. I'm grateful for you to. I'm grateful for you,
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of where you guys have come and
Speaker 1: how long you guys and how hard you guys have
Speaker 1: both worked for this relationship and you guys, you guys
Speaker 1: have Can I say who your therapists are? Your counselors? Okay,
Speaker 1: because Tanya, who's also been on the podcast, you guys.
Speaker 1: I met Tanya because of my sister and Tanya, and
Speaker 1: I think I kind of touched on it a little bit.
Speaker 1: So my sister gave me five sessions to Tanya for
Speaker 1: Christmas and was it a Christmas for my birthday? Was
Speaker 1: my birthday? One of the best gifts ever, you guys,
Speaker 1: And from there developed we had like a like I mean,
Speaker 1: she's helped me out so much with so many things,
Speaker 1: and now she is also and Rudy is now Tanya's
Speaker 1: husband is also now a medial s life coach, so
Speaker 1: it's going to be. They did a whole two hour
Speaker 1: session the other day. He came to dude, I'm blown away.
Speaker 3: I am mentor.
Speaker 1: He's your mentor. Yeah, so that's who helped you, guys
Speaker 1: your relationship. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, first, Tanya was his therapist before I started going.
Speaker 3: I started going. We were separated because I you, I
Speaker 3: needed the help, so I started going to Tanya before
Speaker 3: and then uh, and it was just crazy, like Tanya
Speaker 3: really blessed me because her testimony is insane. And then uh,
Speaker 3: and then I don't know, out of the boose, I
Speaker 3: convinced her again to give you another shot. And while
Speaker 3: we were talking, I said, well, I told her like, hey,
Speaker 3: if we're going to try this again, like we're going
Speaker 3: to do things differently, which is we're definitely getting counseling,
Speaker 3: like we're not doing this alone. And those were some sessions.
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, so it came from you. I didn't know this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See you guys, Okay, see like there's I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a huge advocate for for for therapy. You guys, I
Speaker 1: always say so thanks to Mike, he's the one that
Speaker 1: introduced us to Tany. They're amazing breath of a breath
Speaker 1: of breath of breath of life. You guys, so if
Speaker 1: you want to check them out, But okay, so that's
Speaker 1: awesome and you guys still go with them. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's I think it's do you think like it's in
Speaker 1: life thing that that well we're gonna need.
Speaker 2: I think definitely, just because we have different seasons in
Speaker 2: our life. I mean there's different curve balls that life
Speaker 2: throws at us, and you you just need that sounding
Speaker 2: board to get it all off.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're gonna feel really amazing. Sometimes you're just gonna
Speaker 2: be like, no, I need to go back, And there's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. Yeah, It's not like you get
Speaker 2: better and then that's it.
Speaker 4: You're good for life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel it's kind of like a like a
Speaker 1: like a car. We need a sign change, we need
Speaker 1: to fine tuning exactly because I think for sure it's
Speaker 1: something that I want to do for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life. And now you know it's premarital counseling that
Speaker 1: I there are things that you know, I'm realizing and
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect right. You know, I thought I was okay,
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, Emilio's so patient. He's just so different.
Speaker 1: I mean, you should have them on your podcast too,
Speaker 1: that would be awesome, so you guys would talk about
Speaker 1: that would be cool. How is the relationship now that
Speaker 1: you're CEO, Like, has it been Has it been tough? Honestly?
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think there's moments that make
Speaker 2: it tough.
Speaker 1: And I'm CEO of January Enterprises by the way, just
Speaker 1: in case anyone doesn't know that's our mom anyways.
Speaker 2: I think there's moments that are tough just because I'm
Speaker 2: I'm totally like not Mike is taking care of the home,
Speaker 2: so there's growth that he.
Speaker 4: Had to learn, and then there I had to let
Speaker 4: go in order for me to take care of Jerry.
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of checking in and when we
Speaker 2: got to talk, and sometimes being intentional about having those
Speaker 2: meetings is the tough part. Like it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of intentionality because we can get a disconnect and you
Speaker 2: don't want that. I don't want to get into a
Speaker 2: routine and then check out of my home because I'm
Speaker 2: trying to take care of this.
Speaker 1: So you're being smart.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of intentionality that's needed.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when you say take care of the home, like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Like he I saw it, So
Speaker 1: I mean he you take.
Speaker 4: Care of everything he does. He's significed a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what I wanted to ask you, because again,
Speaker 1: being a Latino man, how is that?
Speaker 3: Well, there's and I'll go more into depth, you know
Speaker 3: some other time, either here mine or it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: But what's crazy is just that you know, there's there's
Speaker 3: past trauma that we're still living through or we were
Speaker 3: living through. So just to kind of give a little
Speaker 3: bit of an example in our I always say in
Speaker 3: our first marriage because we're in our second one, you know,
Speaker 3: but in our first marriage, we kind of tried the
Speaker 3: I quit my job and I was trying to pursue
Speaker 3: real estate at that time. And at that time, real
Speaker 3: estate is just like it's infested with agents, Like everyone
Speaker 3: has a THEO or a THEA or someone that's in
Speaker 3: real estate. So it's just it's hard. And then it
Speaker 3: wasn't working for us, and that's when we kind of
Speaker 3: started having our hardship, and that's when we broke up.
Speaker 3: When we separated, So then coming back together. I was working,
Speaker 3: She's working, and then we get hit with the hey,
Speaker 3: you know, Jerry's coming. I'm gonna start working for my mom.
Speaker 3: It's gonna become serious. What do we do? And we
Speaker 3: start noticing the kids are just everywhere because I was
Speaker 3: so busy at work, she was busy at work, and
Speaker 3: we had a nanny or a babysitter, but like JJ
Speaker 3: when he would go to the babysitter, he would just
Speaker 3: start crying like he didn't like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which made that for six months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, first, so it was it was quite some time.
Speaker 3: And then eventually I just told her, I said, hey, look,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, like at my job too, I'm unhappy
Speaker 3: because it's it's always I was a recruiter, and it's
Speaker 3: always it's always like get more people, get more people
Speaker 3: like nunka. It's never enough, so there's always demand, demand, demand.
Speaker 3: So then I'm like, I'm not happy with that, like
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm not, and we just kind of
Speaker 3: both felt like should you stay home? And then I
Speaker 3: dedicate myself into this full time, which.
Speaker 4: For for us it's it was hard.
Speaker 2: It seemed like it was going to be the best
Speaker 2: thing for our family, but it was also carried trauma
Speaker 2: from from what happened the first time. So it's like
Speaker 2: we had to intentionally heal those things that way we
Speaker 2: can do this because it felt like we both had
Speaker 2: an understanding that this is what needs to happen.
Speaker 4: But it's scary.
Speaker 1: It's scary. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then and then the machismo part too, is like,
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want people saying that you know,
Speaker 3: it's not Montaniano and all this stuff. So I had
Speaker 3: my sessions with Rudy and I'm like, what do you think?
Speaker 3: And Rudy's like, Bro, if God puts you in a place,
Speaker 3: what does it matter what people say, That's the place
Speaker 3: God puts you in. And I still battle with it
Speaker 3: till today. Like till today, I'm like, man, like I
Speaker 3: feel like I need to be doing something, but you
Speaker 3: see the fruits in the house.
Speaker 1: Like you are doing something like Jackie Saw.
Speaker 3: I tell Jackie all the time. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be honest. I used to be the one that would
Speaker 3: criticize the stay at home moms. I'll be honest. I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, how hard is.
Speaker 1: It to stay home to cook and to clean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I'm like you're cooking, you're cleaning, you're picking
Speaker 3: up the kids, you're dropping off, Like, how hard can
Speaker 3: this be? It is, And I've been doing it for
Speaker 3: about a year and I'm just like, no, honestly, my
Speaker 3: respects because where you start at six am and you
Speaker 3: don't stop till eight nine o'clock at night, I know.
Speaker 3: And you don't get paid for this, dude, so it's
Speaker 3: like it's work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And I saw it, and I commend you
Speaker 1: because it's a question I've been wanting to ask you
Speaker 1: because we've never we have never talked about it, and
Speaker 1: my sister was just like, and it just says, you know,
Speaker 1: it works. I respect it works for you, guys. I
Speaker 1: see why, and I think you raising your children is
Speaker 1: way better than someone else. Especially if JJ was crying.
Speaker 1: There's a reason why he was crying, so he prefers
Speaker 1: his dad. While you're doing what you got to do,
Speaker 1: and you figure that out in your organizing everything, then
Speaker 1: you guys can figure out what you do next year
Speaker 1: the following. But I think it's definitely an amazing thing
Speaker 1: that you're doing because I saw you wake up super early.
Speaker 1: My sister couldn't even talk to the kid she was
Speaker 1: in so much she just felt not so nauseous. You guys,
Speaker 1: that's the whole other thing we can talk about another time,
Speaker 1: but her experience. But it is a lot of work.
Speaker 1: It is a lot of work. In a way. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, just go and wake up and
Speaker 1: go to work and come back and but staying home
Speaker 1: because a dish a boom. That's why I was like
Speaker 1: when I was like, I'm gonna help them watch the dish,
Speaker 1: it like I'm gonna like, I don't want him to
Speaker 1: worry because he was caring for my sister and then
Speaker 1: the kids, and it's a lot. So I think I
Speaker 1: personally feel that that's that's dope that you that you
Speaker 1: could say, I'm gonna put my pride to the side,
Speaker 1: and I f what everyone else says middle fingers up
Speaker 1: and boom because it doesn't matter. Rudy's absolutely right. It's
Speaker 1: what works for you, guys. And I think it's awesome
Speaker 1: that you can go and you do what you're doing
Speaker 1: for mom, which I know that's hard in itself. Sister.
Speaker 4: I get home super tired.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a lot, it's mentally emotionally, especially with everything
Speaker 1: that we've been through. The past year with the family,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you hear it, because I'm sure she
Speaker 1: cries at night and tells you. And it's a lot
Speaker 1: of stress. And that's another thing, Like I say it
Speaker 1: all the time, I'm so proud of my sister, and
Speaker 1: like it's I was there and what it is to
Speaker 1: my mom was here physically, like, but when I was
Speaker 1: helping my mom build her her her empire, that was hard.
Speaker 1: But even now not having her and you want to
Speaker 1: ask her, like, Mom, what do you want? It's just
Speaker 1: the right decision.
Speaker 4: That's I'm like, damn, I don't even know what she
Speaker 4: would want.
Speaker 1: And how like you have your business, you guys have
Speaker 1: the Colores, you have your household, you have it's so.
Speaker 2: Much, it is, it's a lot. I think, like I
Speaker 2: said last time, it just takes a lot of intentionality.
Speaker 2: I think with mom in the business, there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of science, which I'm so grateful because I get peace.
Speaker 4: But then you know, there's a lot.
Speaker 2: Of drama as well, and I have I think this
Speaker 2: year has been not bringing that stuff home, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and not checking out at home because I'm so tired
Speaker 2: from the day and so emotionally drained or mentally drained.
Speaker 2: And Tanya told me the other day, like, you, I
Speaker 2: think you've checked out a little bit.
Speaker 4: You've got to be intentional.
Speaker 2: At home, yeah, and keep us like this together. So
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, pulling energy from I don't know where,
Speaker 2: to ask the kids how they were, and help with
Speaker 2: this and just different things. But I really I've been
Speaker 2: trying not to bring the emotional stress home, yeah, because
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, Tanya told me once that the
Speaker 2: mom is like the brings changes the energy at home.
Speaker 2: So thermostat, Yes, it's the thermostat of the home, and
Speaker 2: if I'm not okay, then everyone else is going to
Speaker 2: feel it.
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah, and that's a lot of pressure. Maybe huh,
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I do want to say, you know, publicly as well,
Speaker 3: and I've said it to her privately, that she's doing
Speaker 3: a great job, that I'm proud of her as her husband,
Speaker 3: Like I see the cleanup that she did with the company, dude,
Speaker 3: like like it's almost like she threw almost everything out
Speaker 3: and it's like we need to rebuild from ground up.
Speaker 3: And I see that and I've helped her with some
Speaker 3: of that too. Like we're at the office trying to
Speaker 3: organize files correctly and things that you you can just
Speaker 3: tell from Casello. I don't know, Masasi. And like eight o'clock,
Speaker 3: nine o'clock at night, kids there they're eating in the
Speaker 3: in the breakroom or in the in the conference room
Speaker 3: while we're doing putting the files away or whatever. And
Speaker 3: it's like, man, and then I'm just I'm proud of
Speaker 3: her because I even see like it's silly, but even
Speaker 3: in like the quality of the shirts, I'm just like,
Speaker 3: this is way better.
Speaker 1: Everything's better. It's good. Okay. So I I just my
Speaker 1: my little sister. Guys grew up. That's really that's all
Speaker 1: I can say. Like I grew a pair. It's just
Speaker 1: like I'm like I even said it. I think the
Speaker 1: other day I was like this, she's now the big sister.
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel. It's like sometimes I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is my sister's position. I respect her. I respect it,
Speaker 1: like and I want to say thank you to you too, honestly, Mike,
Speaker 1: for for allowing her, because this is a huge thank
Speaker 1: you for letting her take on this responsibility for all
Speaker 1: of us, you know, for my for all of us
Speaker 1: from my mother because it is it is. It was
Speaker 1: a mess, and it's still kind of. We have a
Speaker 1: lot of work. There's a lot of stuff, you guys,
Speaker 1: stuff that we've never talked about that I don't know
Speaker 1: if we ever will talk about publicly, but only if
Speaker 1: it's necessary, only if it's necessary.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to speak details. But even Jackie saw,
Speaker 3: like I saw certain files where I saw and I
Speaker 3: saw how generous my mother in law was, and I
Speaker 3: even just started crying because I'm like, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, an.
Speaker 2: I I do want to say I'm grateful for Mike
Speaker 2: because I felt when coming in it's yeah, yess, I
Speaker 2: felt unsure of myself and my abilities. But then also
Speaker 2: as a mom, it's like I'm.
Speaker 4: Only used to being home with my kids.
Speaker 2: I mean I worked from home and the coloratas and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and he's definitely just having that peace
Speaker 2: of mind really allows me to keep myself focused at
Speaker 2: work into and the decisions that need to be made,
Speaker 2: whether it's JRF for Jerry.
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm.
Speaker 2: Grateful because he's he's even definitely he's grown, like he's
Speaker 2: learned to cook, you know, not all the big.
Speaker 4: Things, but you know he can make some mac and cheese.
Speaker 1: He makes a killer, a killer uh, strilled cheese. Things good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's that. You know, I'm just proud And
Speaker 4: it might not look normal.
Speaker 2: What people say, but it's really what's best for us
Speaker 2: and and that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: That's all that matters. And the kids are happier, and.
Speaker 4: They really are.
Speaker 2: They're doing better in school, Like it just kind of
Speaker 2: goes to show the need of a father in the home. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, like they're doing so good in school, they
Speaker 2: know how to express themselves better, Like they're so trustworthy.
Speaker 2: We have Jayla is a teenager now, and you would
Speaker 2: think this is the time where it's gonna get really
Speaker 2: hard because boys and just whatever and drugs and all
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 4: But she's extremely open. And I've even come to see
Speaker 4: like she's more open with him that I was.
Speaker 1: That they tell him everything. Yes, oh in this guy,
Speaker 1: and he did that and he has a whole conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm like, damn, the kids really like
Speaker 1: there of him. Yeah. Does it make you feel any
Speaker 1: type of way, like a little I don't know, jealousy or.
Speaker 4: Like, no, honestly, it does. Sometimes I've had moments where I've.
Speaker 2: Felt very like outside, like I get home and I
Speaker 2: feel like I don't belong.
Speaker 4: And I've thought about like Mom, like if she's had
Speaker 4: ever felt that way, but that's with me. Yeah, Like
Speaker 4: it's like.
Speaker 2: Sometimes and then obviously with my my sessions with Tanya,
Speaker 2: she's just she's like no, like you just got to
Speaker 2: fight that and ask them and then they're they're dying
Speaker 2: to talk about it. So it's like a little battle
Speaker 2: that I've had to learn as a full time working mom.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, how do I how do I get
Speaker 2: myself back into the family mode. So yeah, but there's
Speaker 2: moments it's it's hard, and I've thought of Mom. I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I can't I kind of get what she might have
Speaker 2: been feeling, especially if she left for the weekends and
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And she did and I didn't understand that then. And
Speaker 1: I when she asked me to move out, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I just want my home to feel like my home.
Speaker 1: I want my kids to feel like my kids. Because
Speaker 1: it was obviously this is a marriage very different, but
Speaker 1: like I felt like in a way that was like
Speaker 1: a marriage. She was the husband, yeah, and I was
Speaker 1: the wife and I stayed home and the kids, and
Speaker 1: it's like I would lay down the rules and then
Speaker 1: she would come and it's like, what do you mean,
Speaker 1: Like I took away his iPad because he's been a
Speaker 1: bad boy, but but I haven't seen him. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's just like I get that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I was wondering. I was like, it's very different,
Speaker 1: but no, mom felt that way where I was like,
Speaker 1: now I get it. Now, I'm like, damn, I get it.
Speaker 1: It was but it was more of like.
Speaker 3: She felt left out.
Speaker 1: She felt left out, you know. But that's why I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you guys are communication. Communication. That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you for a marriage now that in
Speaker 1: your second marriage, your new marriage. What are the like,
Speaker 1: the best advice that you can give us that are
Speaker 1: trying to make things work. You just said communication. That's huge.
Speaker 4: I think that's personage.
Speaker 1: What's another one's always right?
Speaker 2: No, yes, but no, I think it's definitely communication.
Speaker 4: But more communication when you don't feel like.
Speaker 2: It, there's gonna be there's like there's sometimes there's moments
Speaker 2: where you're like I don't even but that those are
Speaker 2: the moments you should push through the most I feel
Speaker 2: a lot of forgiveness because you have to remember, like
Speaker 2: I thought, just because I had met him at church,
Speaker 2: he was gonna be like the perfect guy and he
Speaker 2: was gonna have it all together.
Speaker 4: But he comes with baggage.
Speaker 2: I come with baggage, and you have to be ready
Speaker 2: to like be ready to forgive because they're not gonna
Speaker 2: be perfect. They're gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna make mistakes,
Speaker 2: so definitely, I think. And then intentionality, especially now, like
Speaker 2: because he's tired for me with the kids all day,
Speaker 2: I'm tired for being at work. But it's like intentionality
Speaker 2: and our personal relationship. Just because we're taking care of
Speaker 2: kids together doesn't mean we're building our marriage.
Speaker 1: Right, So you guys still have to find that time for.
Speaker 2: You Yeah, which is a little hard sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2: because I decided to move all the way far far away,
Speaker 2: so I don't how my siblings to help take.
Speaker 4: Care of the kids.
Speaker 2: But I mean, we gotta figure that out, Tanya and Rue,
Speaker 2: he really taught us that date nights don't mean date
Speaker 2: nights to get out of your house. That means like
Speaker 2: just turn off the TV and talk to each other,
Speaker 2: play a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Yeah, yeah night, is that go out again? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 1: Just just be together?
Speaker 4: Yeah, without our phones, That's that's a big thing.
Speaker 1: And have you, sister, ever thought of in this whole
Speaker 1: almost two years of being the CEO, have you thought
Speaker 1: I've never asked you this, but have you read that
Speaker 1: I I don't want to do this. I want to quit?
Speaker 4: Probably a handful of times.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think.
Speaker 2: I think it's then it's mostly emotional. Okay, that's mostly
Speaker 2: like I just can't deal with the emotional stress. The
Speaker 2: there's really hard decisions that need to be made, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wish someone else could make these. I
Speaker 2: wish it wasn't me. So I have thought and I've prayed.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, when how long am I going to
Speaker 2: be doing this for?
Speaker 4: Is this forever? Is this just an assignment for this moment?
Speaker 1: Okay? Because I don't want you to like give up
Speaker 1: on your vit. Yeah, so I've I really need you
Speaker 1: to like that to decide a bit, but just a
Speaker 1: little bit. But I'm still working on Like I've recorded
Speaker 1: a few things when I have time could And this
Speaker 1: year is definitely the year, you know, my album's coming out.
Speaker 1: Thank God. I can't wait for you guys to listen
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: So I'm also going to have to get used to
Speaker 2: like whatever change comes to readjust again.
Speaker 1: And also to say, Okay, you're organizing, and it took
Speaker 1: a long time to organize and put everything the right
Speaker 1: way and situate it. But once you have those people,
Speaker 1: I've told you it's okay, then you delegate and you're
Speaker 1: supervising and you could still do you and do your family.
Speaker 1: Because I think you don't want to live with Oh,
Speaker 1: Mom doesn't want that for you. I can tell you
Speaker 1: right now. I know Mom, Okay, we all know, but
Speaker 1: I feel like Mom would say I need you. She
Speaker 1: wanted you to be on that stay. She wanted you
Speaker 1: to sing, she wanted you to She wants all of
Speaker 1: us to do what we want to do, you know. So,
Speaker 1: and I know you never have to worry about all
Speaker 1: of us or we all of us, and I can
Speaker 1: probably speak for all of your siblings as well, like
Speaker 1: we're gonna be fine with it. We want you to
Speaker 1: be happy, you know what I mean, Like your family
Speaker 1: is important. So I wanted to say that. And the
Speaker 1: sister if there's anything a piece of advice as far
Speaker 1: as like what not to do in a relationship, like
Speaker 1: something that is like don't do this or anything like.
Speaker 1: For instance, for me, I have a problem with when
Speaker 1: I'm upset, I bring up stuff that happened in the
Speaker 1: past that you hurt my feelings about you have it
Speaker 1: and that's not good. Tanya's like, huh uh, yeah, she
Speaker 1: gotta faget. Yeah, She's like, you need to stop doing that.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, So that's like my little card.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you did this, and this is
Speaker 1: why I'm like this, and I'm like mad and I'm
Speaker 1: sad and you know, but for me, that's that is
Speaker 1: there one that you guys have.
Speaker 3: I mean I used to be like that. To be
Speaker 3: honest with you, I could definitely hold a grudge for
Speaker 3: quite some time. Still do, but through counseling and mentorship,
Speaker 3: you know, they kind of open your eyes to realize,
Speaker 3: like why you're doing that, And when you realize you're
Speaker 3: doing that, you're like, oh man, that's kind of childish
Speaker 3: and petty of me. So then it forces you to change.
Speaker 3: But you know, we all have we all go through
Speaker 3: our process and we all go through our growth at
Speaker 3: our own time. So it's almost like I'm not judging
Speaker 3: anyone else for doing it, you know. For me, it's
Speaker 3: just almost like like it's crazy, like if I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like like the other day, Jayla was like, man, that
Speaker 3: everyone knows the password to your phone, and I said
Speaker 3: everyone in this household. I said, everyone in this household.
Speaker 3: And why because I'm not hiding anything, so you guys
Speaker 3: can go through my phone at any time when you
Speaker 3: want and go for it, you know. And she just
Speaker 3: kind of looks at it, looks at me, and she's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: whatever da And for her it's like whatever.
Speaker 1: Not.
Speaker 3: But but I know in the future one day she's
Speaker 3: going to look back at that and be like, Wow,
Speaker 3: there's there's transparency there exactly. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: And that's what I see in you too, Mike, Like
Speaker 1: where you for you even saying like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm still working on this, I was this way that
Speaker 1: I don't. We had a conversation a few months ago
Speaker 1: and we talked about it, and I was like, Dude,
Speaker 1: that shows growth when we can say, hey, I'm not perfect,
Speaker 1: I've messed up. I have to up here like that.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, And I even noticed it, like when you
Speaker 3: were opening the show or the episodever, like, well, I
Speaker 3: even tell Jackie it recently in a conversation that we
Speaker 3: were having, I said, with me, talk to me straightforward,
Speaker 3: like tell me like, hey, you did this wrong, or
Speaker 3: I don't trust because of this. Tell me, because you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid to see or to hear that and
Speaker 3: see if maybe I am wrong or maybe I can
Speaker 3: help heal you for you thinking what you're thinking, you know,
Speaker 3: because we're afraid to say, like for example, you know,
Speaker 3: if she she's afraid that I'm being in faithful, she
Speaker 3: might be afraid to ask the question. Well, I don't
Speaker 3: want to ask him if he because he's just going
Speaker 3: to straight up li to me and to me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: be honest, like, if that's the fear you have, ask
Speaker 3: me and then we and then like you'll be able
Speaker 3: to see it either in his in the reflection and
Speaker 3: how he responds like you know, and go for it,
Speaker 3: like you know, my mom used to say, so I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: And my mom always used to say, ask asking you
Speaker 1: will learn. Don't be that little girl that's scared to
Speaker 1: lift your hand. Always ask questions, you know. So it's
Speaker 1: like it's true you gotta ask in order to know.
Speaker 1: So okay, sister, so you could be doing anything and everything. Okay,
Speaker 1: you could have said no, I don't want to do this,
Speaker 1: CEO Jr. E. Because whatever reasons, why did you say yes?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I prayed a lot about it because it was going
Speaker 2: to be a sacrifice on many different levels. And I
Speaker 2: felt God say it was actually an analogy of like
Speaker 2: a basketball in our hands is nothing, but in the
Speaker 2: hands of Lebron James, it's millions and millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: And I felt God say, this company, in the right
Speaker 2: hands will be blessed abundantly. And I really felt like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard, and it's gonna help me grow,
Speaker 2: and it has helped me grow. I felt Mom so
Speaker 2: close like teaching me really to grow.
Speaker 4: But it's I feel like.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be blessed because it's going to be in
Speaker 2: there finally in the right hands.
Speaker 4: And that's not just me the right hands.
Speaker 1: But us. Yeah, and you've been really good with involving
Speaker 1: us and everything. I think you've been so great with that.
Speaker 1: You think you're doing a great job, sister, And I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for everything that has happened and publicly and so
Speaker 1: much crap that has been said. And you know, just
Speaker 1: for the record, did anyone force you to do this job?
Speaker 2: No one forced me to do this job, and no
Speaker 2: one forced me to sue anyone.
Speaker 4: It was the right decision that needed to be made.
Speaker 1: Okay, sister, Okay, great, because for some reason everyone thinks
Speaker 1: I forced you and that I'm the big bad witch
Speaker 1: that is like, do this, Jackie, and do this. Johnny
Speaker 1: and Jenica you say this, and Mikey you be a penis,
Speaker 1: And no, it was not me. You guys kids, and
Speaker 1: they're not kids. They're grown as hell. Johnny's twenty three.
Speaker 1: They're grown. They have You guys have always had a
Speaker 1: mind of your own. And I'm just I'm here and
Speaker 1: I respect them, and if I'm like, hey, this seems
Speaker 1: a little weird, at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: have a mind of your own, and you have grown
Speaker 1: so much in so many different ways. You're so different
Speaker 1: for the better. You've grown in every way, and I
Speaker 1: just I wanted to kind of say that because I'm
Speaker 1: just like sometimes I'm like, oh, I wanted to out
Speaker 1: and safe, get on alive and just go to people's houses,
Speaker 1: and I'm like ah, because but I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna compose. You gotta trust God.
Speaker 4: Trust God, and he knows everything.
Speaker 2: And just for the record, when I was thinking about this,
Speaker 2: because just the decision to do the lawsuit was not easy,
Speaker 2: I think for any of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very hard.
Speaker 2: There was days where it's like, let's do this, and
Speaker 2: there was days like I can't. This is crazy. But
Speaker 2: you're the one that told me.
Speaker 4: Let's just pray about it. Let's pray a little bit,
Speaker 4: and we did. We gave it a whole year.
Speaker 1: So a whole year, you guys, And so I just
Speaker 1: you know, you can't talk about the details, obviously, because
Speaker 1: we're going to leave that in the hands of the
Speaker 1: law and we're just trying to do things as right
Speaker 1: as possible. I know some people might think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're stealing their grandpa. It's so much. It's beyond that.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, a lot of our family has been a
Speaker 1: lot very business and fortunately or unfortunately, what's right is right,
Speaker 1: and Mom worked very hard for myself and my siblings,
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. People want to understand
Speaker 1: it until.
Speaker 3: They know the detail, and it comes down to whether
Speaker 3: you're healthy or not. And I think when you're not healthy,
Speaker 3: it's when you make it personal like it's family. But
Speaker 3: if you take the titles away, if you take away grandpa,
Speaker 3: and if you take away granddaughter, and you really find
Speaker 3: out what's going on. Wait, this deal didn't pay this deal?
Speaker 3: Well that's wrong. It's that simple. But because of years
Speaker 3: and we're healing from us, right like from us, and
Speaker 3: I could only imagine they have to go through their
Speaker 3: healing because so many things happen and they thought that
Speaker 3: was the right way to do business back then. But
Speaker 3: it's like no, so but then it's like take away
Speaker 3: that from someone that was used to that and it
Speaker 3: you know, like it's just it's gonna happen because they.
Speaker 1: Had so much in their hands and so much power
Speaker 1: that didn't take it from them, and it's like listen,
Speaker 1: the monster comes out, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it's like we go back to what we've talked about
Speaker 1: toxic loyalty, which you know, we can't get into it
Speaker 1: too much right now, but that's it's like we can't
Speaker 1: be have toxic loyalty, like we got to do what
Speaker 1: is right and they have to do what is right,
Speaker 1: you know. So anyways, that's the whole other episode. You guys.
Speaker 1: But I think you're up. Your podcast is great.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So Mike, I have a question for you. Now,
Speaker 1: what because I'm assuming that in your household, like therapy
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing or was it like counseling? No, okay,
Speaker 1: what was it that made you like reach out to
Speaker 1: like Tanya? I mean, because thank God you found her
Speaker 1: now we all benefit, But like, what do you feel like,
Speaker 1: especially because again being a man, being a Latino man,
Speaker 1: and men can be in arist or feel like no,
Speaker 1: I don't need help, I'm no I got this or
Speaker 1: what in you or what was it or what was
Speaker 1: the moment the straw that broke the Cavil's back that
Speaker 1: was like I gotta do this.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I was devastated for sure, being separated from
Speaker 3: my wife from the kids. And there was like many
Speaker 3: nights where, you know, being honest, I would go to
Speaker 3: sleep crying, like I'm crying for and I've told Jackie this,
Speaker 3: Like there was days where I'm literally crying in my
Speaker 3: bed and I'm praying to God and I'm telling God,
Speaker 3: one day I'm going to have my wife back in
Speaker 3: this bed with me. And it was tough moments. But
Speaker 3: my sister was the one that actually told me. She's
Speaker 3: like call this lady, like just find like because she
Speaker 3: also heard her testimony. So then I called her and
Speaker 3: I started having sessions and I started going through starting
Speaker 3: feelings with her. And it's hard because you're fighting what
Speaker 3: you were taught as a Latino man, like you know
Speaker 3: losmeres no yoran or don't feel or this, and then
Speaker 3: you have to I started coming to a realization like wait,
Speaker 3: I'm a different type of guy than other guys, Like
Speaker 3: I do allow myself to think and feel and sometimes
Speaker 3: I even tell myself like, man, you're a little bit
Speaker 3: too much. But I'm like that's the gift God has
Speaker 3: given me, Like that's who I am, and I have
Speaker 3: to embrace that. So through one of my sessions with Tanya,
Speaker 3: she told me to write a letter to Jackie. So
Speaker 3: I started writing a letter to Jackie and she said,
Speaker 3: you know, write the things that you're sorry for or
Speaker 3: things that or how you treated her. So I started
Speaker 3: writing this letter and then I finished it, and then
Speaker 3: the next session, Tanya said, all right, read it to me.
Speaker 3: And then when I started reading it, that's what really
Speaker 3: impacted me. To like it clicks something in me to
Speaker 3: say I need to start changing because in my letter,
Speaker 3: I was apologizing to my wife and I'm not crying
Speaker 3: because I haven't healed from it. I'm crying just because
Speaker 3: as like I remember that, and I'm like, man, I was,
Speaker 3: I was a jerk for suppressing her, for telling her
Speaker 3: that people only wanted to hear her because she's Jennie
Speaker 3: Rivera's daughter, for telling her she's a bad mom. And
Speaker 3: then Tanya said, would you want your daughters to marry
Speaker 3: a man like that? And that's when I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: like I would not. So then that kind of hit
Speaker 3: me to be like, well, she's someone's daughter. And that's
Speaker 3: when I said, Okay, now I gotta change this. I
Speaker 3: gotta start treating and and it just honestly, that was
Speaker 3: a transformation that God really did in me. And he said, hey, Mike,
Speaker 3: instead of speaking these words of death to your family,
Speaker 3: start speaking words of life. And it was hard because
Speaker 3: I never grew up hearing that from my dad to
Speaker 3: anyone or or aunts and uncles, nothing, so and as
Speaker 3: I started doing it, it started becoming a little bit
Speaker 3: more normal. And now like I'm just so grateful with God,
Speaker 3: because I'm like, wow, like I can, I can tell her.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of her, and I couldn't before. It's weird,
Speaker 3: but it's just like that was a transformation that really helped,
Speaker 3: you know, And that's why counseling it's very important.
Speaker 1: It's very important. You guys, therapy, We're huge, and that
Speaker 1: this is this is the fruit of seeking counseling and therapy.
Speaker 1: And I'm just I can't even say it enough. I'm
Speaker 1: so proud you guys, Like this is thank you, This
Speaker 1: is awesome, and I am so grateful that you guys
Speaker 1: took the time to come because I know you guys
Speaker 1: have the kids and it's kind of far, but I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful. So you guys before you leave. Okay, so
Speaker 1: the Mac Effect, Yeah is the podcast you guys' Instagram?
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to share it so people can
Speaker 1: follow you guys and follow your journey and stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Jackie Rivera only because that's my artist's name,
Speaker 2: not because I'm not proud of the campus.
Speaker 4: On Instagram and everything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jackie with a cue.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I've never told people, Yeah, follow me on Instagram,
Speaker 3: So just say if you find me you find me
Speaker 3: in That's great.
Speaker 1: I like that, so I am proud. I love you guys,
Speaker 1: and thank you for giving me beautiful, wonderful nieces and nephews.
Speaker 1: I love them so much. There have great kids, all right,
Speaker 1: cool and Jennia will help me. Not just gonna sho Jens. Anyways,
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you so much and I will catch
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