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Speaker 1: and Chill in our brand new set. You guys right up,

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Speaker 3: this is way better.

433
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:31,400
Speaker 1: Everything's better. It's good. Okay. So I I just my

434
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: my little sister. Guys grew up. That's really that's all

435
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: I can say. Like I grew a pair. It's just

436
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: like I'm like I even said it. I think the

437
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: other day I was like this, she's now the big sister.

438
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel. It's like sometimes I'm like, Okay,

439
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 1: this is my sister's position. I respect her. I respect it,

440
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: like and I want to say thank you to you too, honestly, Mike,

441
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: for for allowing her, because this is a huge thank

442
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: you for letting her take on this responsibility for all

443
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 1: of us, you know, for my for all of us

444
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: from my mother because it is it is. It was

445
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 1: a mess, and it's still kind of. We have a

446
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: lot of work. There's a lot of stuff, you guys,

447
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: stuff that we've never talked about that I don't know

448
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: if we ever will talk about publicly, but only if

449
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: it's necessary, only if it's necessary.

450
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm not going to speak details. But even Jackie saw,

451
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 3: like I saw certain files where I saw and I

452
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,959
Speaker 3: saw how generous my mother in law was, and I

453
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: even just started crying because I'm like, that's a lot.

454
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, an.

455
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 2: I I do want to say I'm grateful for Mike

456
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: because I felt when coming in it's yeah, yess, I

457
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: felt unsure of myself and my abilities. But then also

458
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: as a mom, it's like I'm.

459
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 4: Only used to being home with my kids.

460
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: I mean I worked from home and the coloratas and

461
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and he's definitely just having that peace

462
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 2: of mind really allows me to keep myself focused at

463
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 2: work into and the decisions that need to be made,

464
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: whether it's JRF for Jerry.

465
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm.

466
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: Grateful because he's he's even definitely he's grown, like he's

467
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: learned to cook, you know, not all the big.

468
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 4: Things, but you know he can make some mac and cheese.

469
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: He makes a killer, a killer uh, strilled cheese. Things good.

470
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's that. You know, I'm just proud And

471
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 4: it might not look normal.

472
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: What people say, but it's really what's best for us

473
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: and and that's all that matters.

474
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: That's all that matters. And the kids are happier, and.

475
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 4: They really are.

476
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 2: They're doing better in school, Like it just kind of

477
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 2: goes to show the need of a father in the home. Yes,

478
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: you know, like they're doing so good in school, they

479
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: know how to express themselves better, Like they're so trustworthy.

480
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: We have Jayla is a teenager now, and you would

481
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: think this is the time where it's gonna get really

482
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 2: hard because boys and just whatever and drugs and all

483
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: that stuff.

484
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 4: But she's extremely open. And I've even come to see

485
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 4: like she's more open with him that I was.

486
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: That they tell him everything. Yes, oh in this guy,

487
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: and he did that and he has a whole conversation.

488
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm like, damn, the kids really like

489
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: there of him. Yeah. Does it make you feel any

490
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: type of way, like a little I don't know, jealousy or.

491
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: Like, no, honestly, it does. Sometimes I've had moments where I've.

492
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: Felt very like outside, like I get home and I

493
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: feel like I don't belong.

494
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 4: And I've thought about like Mom, like if she's had

495
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: ever felt that way, but that's with me. Yeah, Like

496
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 4: it's like.

497
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes and then obviously with my my sessions with Tanya,

498
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: she's just she's like no, like you just got to

499
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: fight that and ask them and then they're they're dying

500
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: to talk about it. So it's like a little battle

501
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: that I've had to learn as a full time working mom.

502
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, how do I how do I get

503
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: myself back into the family mode. So yeah, but there's

504
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: moments it's it's hard, and I've thought of Mom. I'm like, man,

505
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: I can't I kind of get what she might have

506
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: been feeling, especially if she left for the weekends and

507
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: you know.

508
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: And she did and I didn't understand that then. And

509
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: I when she asked me to move out, and she's like,

510
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: I just want my home to feel like my home.

511
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: I want my kids to feel like my kids. Because

512
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: it was obviously this is a marriage very different, but

513
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: like I felt like in a way that was like

514
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: a marriage. She was the husband, yeah, and I was

515
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: the wife and I stayed home and the kids, and

516
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: it's like I would lay down the rules and then

517
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: she would come and it's like, what do you mean,

518
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: Like I took away his iPad because he's been a

519
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: bad boy, but but I haven't seen him. Yeah, so

520
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: it's just like I get that, you know what I mean.

521
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: So I was wondering. I was like, it's very different,

522
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: but no, mom felt that way where I was like,

523
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: now I get it. Now, I'm like, damn, I get it.

524
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: It was but it was more of like.

525
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: She felt left out.

526
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: She felt left out, you know. But that's why I'm

527
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: glad that you guys are communication. Communication. That's what I

528
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you for a marriage now that in

529
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: your second marriage, your new marriage. What are the like,

530
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: the best advice that you can give us that are

531
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: trying to make things work. You just said communication. That's huge.

532
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: I think that's personage.

533
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: What's another one's always right?

534
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: No, yes, but no, I think it's definitely communication.

535
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 4: But more communication when you don't feel like.

536
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: It, there's gonna be there's like there's sometimes there's moments

537
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: where you're like I don't even but that those are

538
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: the moments you should push through the most I feel

539
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: a lot of forgiveness because you have to remember, like

540
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: I thought, just because I had met him at church,

541
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: he was gonna be like the perfect guy and he

542
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: was gonna have it all together.

543
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 4: But he comes with baggage.

544
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: I come with baggage, and you have to be ready

545
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: to like be ready to forgive because they're not gonna

546
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 2: be perfect. They're gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna make mistakes,

547
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: so definitely, I think. And then intentionality, especially now, like

548
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: because he's tired for me with the kids all day,

549
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: I'm tired for being at work. But it's like intentionality

550
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: and our personal relationship. Just because we're taking care of

551
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: kids together doesn't mean we're building our marriage.

552
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Right, So you guys still have to find that time for.

553
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: You Yeah, which is a little hard sometimes, you know,

554
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: because I decided to move all the way far far away,

555
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: so I don't how my siblings to help take.

556
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 4: Care of the kids.

557
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: But I mean, we gotta figure that out, Tanya and Rue,

558
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: he really taught us that date nights don't mean date

559
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: nights to get out of your house. That means like

560
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: just turn off the TV and talk to each other,

561
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: play a game.

562
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Yeah, yeah night, is that go out again? Okay? Cool?

563
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: Just just be together?

564
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, without our phones, That's that's a big thing.

565
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: And have you, sister, ever thought of in this whole

566
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: almost two years of being the CEO, have you thought

567
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: I've never asked you this, but have you read that

568
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: I I don't want to do this. I want to quit?

569
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: Probably a handful of times.

570
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I think.

571
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: I think it's then it's mostly emotional. Okay, that's mostly

572
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: like I just can't deal with the emotional stress. The

573
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: there's really hard decisions that need to be made, and

574
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wish someone else could make these. I

575
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: wish it wasn't me. So I have thought and I've prayed.

576
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, when how long am I going to

577
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: be doing this for?

578
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: Is this forever? Is this just an assignment for this moment?

579
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,239
Speaker 1: Okay? Because I don't want you to like give up

580
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: on your vit. Yeah, so I've I really need you

581
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: to like that to decide a bit, but just a

582
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: little bit. But I'm still working on Like I've recorded

583
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: a few things when I have time could And this

584
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: year is definitely the year, you know, my album's coming out.

585
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: Thank God. I can't wait for you guys to listen

586
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: to it.

587
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: So I'm also going to have to get used to

588
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: like whatever change comes to readjust again.

589
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: And also to say, Okay, you're organizing, and it took

590
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: a long time to organize and put everything the right

591
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: way and situate it. But once you have those people,

592
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: I've told you it's okay, then you delegate and you're

593
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: supervising and you could still do you and do your family.

594
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: Because I think you don't want to live with Oh,

595
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: Mom doesn't want that for you. I can tell you

596
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: right now. I know Mom, Okay, we all know, but

597
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: I feel like Mom would say I need you. She

598
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: wanted you to be on that stay. She wanted you

599
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: to sing, she wanted you to She wants all of

600
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: us to do what we want to do, you know. So,

601
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: and I know you never have to worry about all

602
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: of us or we all of us, and I can

603
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: probably speak for all of your siblings as well, like

604
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: we're gonna be fine with it. We want you to

605
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: be happy, you know what I mean, Like your family

606
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: is important. So I wanted to say that. And the

607
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: sister if there's anything a piece of advice as far

608
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: as like what not to do in a relationship, like

609
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: something that is like don't do this or anything like.

610
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: For instance, for me, I have a problem with when

611
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm upset, I bring up stuff that happened in the

612
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: past that you hurt my feelings about you have it

613
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: and that's not good. Tanya's like, huh uh, yeah, she

614
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: gotta faget. Yeah, She's like, you need to stop doing that.

615
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, So that's like my little card.

616
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you did this, and this is

617
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: why I'm like this, and I'm like mad and I'm

618
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: sad and you know, but for me, that's that is

619
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: there one that you guys have.

620
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean I used to be like that. To be

621
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: honest with you, I could definitely hold a grudge for

622
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: quite some time. Still do, but through counseling and mentorship,

623
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: you know, they kind of open your eyes to realize,

624
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: like why you're doing that, And when you realize you're

625
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: doing that, you're like, oh man, that's kind of childish

626
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: and petty of me. So then it forces you to change.

627
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: But you know, we all have we all go through

628
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: our process and we all go through our growth at

629
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: our own time. So it's almost like I'm not judging

630
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: anyone else for doing it, you know. For me, it's

631
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: just almost like like it's crazy, like if I don't know,

632
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: Like like the other day, Jayla was like, man, that

633
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: everyone knows the password to your phone, and I said

634
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: everyone in this household. I said, everyone in this household.

635
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: And why because I'm not hiding anything, so you guys

636
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: can go through my phone at any time when you

637
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: want and go for it, you know. And she just

638
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: kind of looks at it, looks at me, and she's like, Okay,

639
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: whatever da And for her it's like whatever.

640
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Not.

641
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: But but I know in the future one day she's

642
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: going to look back at that and be like, Wow,

643
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: there's there's transparency there exactly. That's awesome.

644
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I see in you too, Mike, Like

645
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: where you for you even saying like, you know what,

646
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm still working on this, I was this way that

647
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't. We had a conversation a few months ago

648
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: and we talked about it, and I was like, Dude,

649
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: that shows growth when we can say, hey, I'm not perfect,

650
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: I've messed up. I have to up here like that.

651
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

652
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, And I even noticed it, like when you

653
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: were opening the show or the episodever, like, well, I

654
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: even tell Jackie it recently in a conversation that we

655
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: were having, I said, with me, talk to me straightforward,

656
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: like tell me like, hey, you did this wrong, or

657
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: I don't trust because of this. Tell me, because you know,

658
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid to see or to hear that and

659
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: see if maybe I am wrong or maybe I can

660
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: help heal you for you thinking what you're thinking, you know,

661
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: because we're afraid to say, like for example, you know,

662
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: if she she's afraid that I'm being in faithful, she

663
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: might be afraid to ask the question. Well, I don't

664
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: want to ask him if he because he's just going

665
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: to straight up li to me and to me, I'm like,

666
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: be honest, like, if that's the fear you have, ask

667
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: me and then we and then like you'll be able

668
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: to see it either in his in the reflection and

669
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: how he responds like you know, and go for it,

670
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: like you know, my mom used to say, so I'm like, okay, yeah.

671
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: And my mom always used to say, ask asking you

672
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: will learn. Don't be that little girl that's scared to

673
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: lift your hand. Always ask questions, you know. So it's

674
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: like it's true you gotta ask in order to know.

675
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: So okay, sister, so you could be doing anything and everything. Okay,

676
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: you could have said no, I don't want to do this,

677
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: CEO Jr. E. Because whatever reasons, why did you say yes?

678
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: Well?

679
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: I prayed a lot about it because it was going

680
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: to be a sacrifice on many different levels. And I

681
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: felt God say it was actually an analogy of like

682
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: a basketball in our hands is nothing, but in the

683
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: hands of Lebron James, it's millions and millions of dollars.

684
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: And I felt God say, this company, in the right

685
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: hands will be blessed abundantly. And I really felt like, Okay,

686
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard, and it's gonna help me grow,

687
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: and it has helped me grow. I felt Mom so

688
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: close like teaching me really to grow.

689
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: But it's I feel like.

690
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: It's gonna be blessed because it's going to be in

691
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: there finally in the right hands.

692
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 4: And that's not just me the right hands.

693
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: But us. Yeah, and you've been really good with involving

694
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: us and everything. I think you've been so great with that.

695
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: You think you're doing a great job, sister, And I'm

696
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: sorry for everything that has happened and publicly and so

697
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: much crap that has been said. And you know, just

698
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: for the record, did anyone force you to do this job?

699
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: No one forced me to do this job, and no

700
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: one forced me to sue anyone.

701
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: It was the right decision that needed to be made.

702
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: Okay, sister, Okay, great, because for some reason everyone thinks

703
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: I forced you and that I'm the big bad witch

704
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: that is like, do this, Jackie, and do this. Johnny

705
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: and Jenica you say this, and Mikey you be a penis,

706
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: And no, it was not me. You guys kids, and

707
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: they're not kids. They're grown as hell. Johnny's twenty three.

708
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: They're grown. They have You guys have always had a

709
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: mind of your own. And I'm just I'm here and

710
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: I respect them, and if I'm like, hey, this seems

711
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: a little weird, at the end of the day, you

712
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: have a mind of your own, and you have grown

713
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: so much in so many different ways. You're so different

714
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: for the better. You've grown in every way, and I

715
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: just I wanted to kind of say that because I'm

716
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: just like sometimes I'm like, oh, I wanted to out

717
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: and safe, get on alive and just go to people's houses,

718
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like ah, because but I'm like, okay, I'm

719
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: gonna compose. You gotta trust God.

720
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: Trust God, and he knows everything.

721
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: And just for the record, when I was thinking about this,

722
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: because just the decision to do the lawsuit was not easy,

723
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: I think for any of us.

724
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very hard.

725
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: There was days where it's like, let's do this, and

726
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: there was days like I can't. This is crazy. But

727
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: you're the one that told me.

728
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 4: Let's just pray about it. Let's pray a little bit,

729
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: and we did. We gave it a whole year.

730
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: So a whole year, you guys, And so I just

731
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, you can't talk about the details, obviously, because

732
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: we're going to leave that in the hands of the

733
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: law and we're just trying to do things as right

734
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: as possible. I know some people might think, oh my god,

735
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: they're stealing their grandpa. It's so much. It's beyond that.

736
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, a lot of our family has been a

737
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: lot very business and fortunately or unfortunately, what's right is right,

738
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: and Mom worked very hard for myself and my siblings,

739
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. People want to understand

740
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: it until.

741
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: They know the detail, and it comes down to whether

742
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 3: you're healthy or not. And I think when you're not healthy,

743
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: it's when you make it personal like it's family. But

744
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: if you take the titles away, if you take away grandpa,

745
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: and if you take away granddaughter, and you really find

746
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: out what's going on. Wait, this deal didn't pay this deal?

747
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: Well that's wrong. It's that simple. But because of years

748
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: and we're healing from us, right like from us, and

749
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: I could only imagine they have to go through their

750
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: healing because so many things happen and they thought that

751
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: was the right way to do business back then. But

752
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: it's like no, so but then it's like take away

753
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: that from someone that was used to that and it

754
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 3: you know, like it's just it's gonna happen because they.

755
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: Had so much in their hands and so much power

756
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: that didn't take it from them, and it's like listen,

757
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: the monster comes out, you know what I mean. And

758
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: it's like we go back to what we've talked about

759
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: toxic loyalty, which you know, we can't get into it

760
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: too much right now, but that's it's like we can't

761
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: be have toxic loyalty, like we got to do what

762
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: is right and they have to do what is right,

763
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: you know. So anyways, that's the whole other episode. You guys.

764
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: But I think you're up. Your podcast is great.

765
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: Good.

766
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So Mike, I have a question for you. Now,

767
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: what because I'm assuming that in your household, like therapy

768
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing or was it like counseling? No, okay,

769
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: what was it that made you like reach out to

770
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: like Tanya? I mean, because thank God you found her

771
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: now we all benefit, But like, what do you feel like,

772
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: especially because again being a man, being a Latino man,

773
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: and men can be in arist or feel like no,

774
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't need help, I'm no I got this or

775
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: what in you or what was it or what was

776
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: the moment the straw that broke the Cavil's back that

777
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: was like I gotta do this.

778
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 3: Oh well, I was devastated for sure, being separated from

779
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: my wife from the kids. And there was like many

780
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: nights where, you know, being honest, I would go to

781
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: sleep crying, like I'm crying for and I've told Jackie this,

782
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: Like there was days where I'm literally crying in my

783
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: bed and I'm praying to God and I'm telling God,

784
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: one day I'm going to have my wife back in

785
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: this bed with me. And it was tough moments. But

786
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: my sister was the one that actually told me. She's

787
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: like call this lady, like just find like because she

788
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: also heard her testimony. So then I called her and

789
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: I started having sessions and I started going through starting

790
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: feelings with her. And it's hard because you're fighting what

791
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: you were taught as a Latino man, like you know

792
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: losmeres no yoran or don't feel or this, and then

793
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: you have to I started coming to a realization like wait,

794
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm a different type of guy than other guys, Like

795
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: I do allow myself to think and feel and sometimes

796
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: I even tell myself like, man, you're a little bit

797
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: too much. But I'm like that's the gift God has

798
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: given me, Like that's who I am, and I have

799
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: to embrace that. So through one of my sessions with Tanya,

800
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 3: she told me to write a letter to Jackie. So

801
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: I started writing a letter to Jackie and she said,

802
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: you know, write the things that you're sorry for or

803
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 3: things that or how you treated her. So I started

804
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: writing this letter and then I finished it, and then

805
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: the next session, Tanya said, all right, read it to me.

806
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: And then when I started reading it, that's what really

807
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: impacted me. To like it clicks something in me to

808
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: say I need to start changing because in my letter,

809
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: I was apologizing to my wife and I'm not crying

810
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: because I haven't healed from it. I'm crying just because

811
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: as like I remember that, and I'm like, man, I was,

812
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: I was a jerk for suppressing her, for telling her

813
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 3: that people only wanted to hear her because she's Jennie

814
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: Rivera's daughter, for telling her she's a bad mom. And

815
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: then Tanya said, would you want your daughters to marry

816
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: a man like that? And that's when I'm like, no,

817
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: like I would not. So then that kind of hit

818
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: me to be like, well, she's someone's daughter. And that's

819
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: when I said, Okay, now I gotta change this. I

820
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: gotta start treating and and it just honestly, that was

821
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: a transformation that God really did in me. And he said, hey, Mike,

822
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: instead of speaking these words of death to your family,

823
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: start speaking words of life. And it was hard because

824
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: I never grew up hearing that from my dad to

825
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 3: anyone or or aunts and uncles, nothing, so and as

826
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: I started doing it, it started becoming a little bit

827
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 3: more normal. And now like I'm just so grateful with God,

828
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: because I'm like, wow, like I can, I can tell her.

829
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 3: I'm proud of her, and I couldn't before. It's weird,

830
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 3: but it's just like that was a transformation that really helped,

831
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 3: you know, And that's why counseling it's very important.

832
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: It's very important. You guys, therapy, We're huge, and that

833
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: this is this is the fruit of seeking counseling and therapy.

834
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: And I'm just I can't even say it enough. I'm

835
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: so proud you guys, Like this is thank you, This

836
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: is awesome, and I am so grateful that you guys

837
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: took the time to come because I know you guys

838
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: have the kids and it's kind of far, but I'm

839
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: so grateful. So you guys before you leave. Okay, so

840
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: the Mac Effect, Yeah is the podcast you guys' Instagram?

841
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to share it so people can

842
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: follow you guys and follow your journey and stuff.

843
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm Jackie Rivera only because that's my artist's name,

844
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: not because I'm not proud of the campus.

845
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: On Instagram and everything else.

846
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jackie with a cue.

847
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I've never told people, Yeah, follow me on Instagram,

848
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: So just say if you find me you find me

849
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: in That's great.

850
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: I like that, so I am proud. I love you guys,

851
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: and thank you for giving me beautiful, wonderful nieces and nephews.

852
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: I love them so much. There have great kids, all right,

853
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: cool and Jennia will help me. Not just gonna sho Jens. Anyways,

854
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you so much and I will catch

855
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: you on the next episode of Chiekis and True. Do

856
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: you need advice on love, relationships, health emails? I'm so

857
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: excited to share with you that my Cheekys and Chill

858
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: podcast will have an extra episode drop each week. I'll

859
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: be answering all your questions. Just leave me a voice

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