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Speaker 2: No, And I saw it, and I commend you because

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Speaker 2: While you're doing what you got to do, and you

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Speaker 2: But I think it's definitely an amazing thing that you're

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Speaker 2: And how like you have your business, you guys have

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Speaker 5: Much, it is, it's a lot.

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Speaker 4: and I've said it to her privately, that she's doing

440
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 4: a great job, that I'm proud of her as her husband,

441
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 4: Like I see the cleanup that she did with the company, dude,

442
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 4: like like it's almost like she threw almost everything out

443
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 4: and it's like we need to rebuild from ground up.

444
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 4: And I see that and I've helped her with some

445
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 4: of that too. Like we're at the office trying to

446
00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 4: organize files correctly and things that you you can just

447
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 4: tell from Casello. I don't know, Masasi. And like eight o'clock,

448
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 4: nine o'clock at night, kids there they're eating in the

449
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 4: in the breakroom or in the in the conference room

450
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 4: while we're doing putting the files away or whatever. And

451
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 4: it's like, man, and then I'm just I'm proud of

452
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 4: her because I even see like it's silly, but even

453
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 4: in like the quality of the shirts, I'm just like,

454
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 4: this is way better.

455
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: Everything's better. It's gonna okay.

456
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: So I I just my my little sister guys grew up. Really,

457
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 2: that's all I can say.

458
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 5: Like I grew a pair.

459
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: It's just like I'm like, I even said it. I

460
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 2: think the other day I was like this, she's now

461
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 2: the big sister. And that's how I feel. It's like

462
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like, Okay, this is my sister's position. I

463
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: respect her. I respect it, like and I want to

464
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: say thank you to you too, honestly, Mike, for for

465
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 2: allowing her, because this is a huge thank you for

466
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 2: letting her take on this responsibility for all of us,

467
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, for my for all of us, from my mother,

468
00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: because it is it is.

469
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 1: It was a mess, and it's still kind of. We

470
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of work.

471
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff, you guys, stuff that we've

472
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 2: never talked about that I don't know if we ever

473
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: will talk about publicly, but only if it's necessary, only

474
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: if it's necessary.

475
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 4: I'm not going to speak details. But even Jackie saw,

476
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 4: like I saw certain files where I saw and I

477
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,959
Speaker 4: saw how generous my mother in law was, and I

478
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 4: even just started crying because I'm like, that's a lot.

479
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I I do want to say

480
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 6: I'm grateful for Mike because I felt when coming in

481
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 6: it's yeah, yess.

482
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 3: I felt unsure of myself and my abilities. But then

483
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 3: also as a mom, it's like I'm.

484
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 5: Only used to being home with my kids.

485
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: I mean I worked from home and the coloratas and

486
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and he's definitely just having that peace

487
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 3: of mind really allows me to keep myself focused at

488
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 3: work into and the decisions that need to be made,

489
00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 3: whether it's JR.

490
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 5: For JR. But you know, I'm grateful because he's he's

491
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 5: even definitely he's grown, like he's learned to cook, you know,

492
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 5: not all the big things, but you know he can

493
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 5: make some mac and cheese.

494
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: He makes a killer, a killer uh, strilled cheese. Things good.

495
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's that. You know, I'm just proud And

496
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 5: it might not look normal.

497
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: What people say, but it's really what's best for us

498
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: and and that's all that matters.

499
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: That's all that matters. And the kids are happier, and

500
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: they really are.

501
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 3: They're doing better in school, Like it just kind of

502
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: goes to show the need of a father in the home. Yes,

503
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, like they're doing so good in school, they

504
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: know how to express themselves better, Like they're so trustworthy.

505
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: We have Jayla's a teenager now, and you would think

506
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: this is the time where it's gonna get really hard

507
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: because boys and just whatever and drugs and all that stuff.

508
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 5: But she's extremely open. And I've even come to see

509
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 5: like she's more open with him that I was.

510
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: That they tell him everything. Yes, oh in this guy,

511
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: and he did that and he has a whole conversation.

512
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I'm like, damn, the kids really like him.

513
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

514
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 1: Does it make you feel any type of way, like

515
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: a little I don't know, jealousy or.

516
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 5: Like, no, honestly, it does. Sometimes I've had moments where I've.

517
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 3: Felt very like outside, like I get home and I

518
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: feel like I don't belong.

519
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 5: And I've thought about like Mom, like if she's had

520
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 5: ever felt that way, but that's with me. Yeah, Like

521
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 5: it's like.

522
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes and then obviously with my my sessions with Tanya,

523
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: she's just she's like no, like you just got to

524
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: fight that and ask them and then they're they're dying

525
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: to talk about it. So it's like a little battle

526
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: that I've had to learn as a full time working mom.

527
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, how do I how do I get

528
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: myself back into the family mode. So yeah, but there's

529
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 3: moments it's it's hard, and I've thought of Mom. I'm like, man,

530
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: I can't I kind of get what she might have

531
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 3: been feeling, especially if she left for the weekends and

532
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: you know.

533
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: And she did and I didn't understand that then. And

534
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: I when she asked me to move out, and she's like,

535
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: I just want my home to feel like my home.

536
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: I want my kids to feel like my kids.

537
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: Because it was obviously this is a marriage very different,

538
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: but like I felt like in a way that was

539
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: like a marriage. She was the husband, yeah, and I

540
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: was the wife, and I stayed home and the kids,

541
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: and it's like I would lay down the rules and

542
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: then she would come and it's like, what do you mean?

543
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: Like I took away his iPad because he's been a

544
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: bad boy, but but I haven't seen him. Yeah, so

545
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: it's just like I get that, you know what I mean.

546
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: So I was wondering. I was like, it's very different.

547
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: But no mom felt that way where I was like,

548
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: now I get it. Now, I'm like, damn, I get it.

549
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: It was, but it was more of like.

550
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 4: She felt left out.

551
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: She felt left out, you know. But that's why I'm

552
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: glad that you guys are communication. Communication. That's what I

553
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: was gonna ask you for a marriage now that in

554
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: your second marriage, your new marriage. What are the like,

555
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: the best advice that you can give us that are

556
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: trying to make things work.

557
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: You just said communication. That's huge.

558
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 5: I think that's personage.

559
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: What's another one's always right?

560
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: No, yes, but no, I think it's definitely communication.

561
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 5: But more communication when you don't feel like.

562
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: It, there's gonna be there's like there's sometimes there's moments

563
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: where you're like I don't even but that those are

564
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 3: the moments you should push through the most. I feel

565
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: a lot of forgiveness because you have to remember, like

566
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: I thought, just because I had met him at church,

567
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: he was gonna be like the perfect guy and he

568
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: was gonna have it all together.

569
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 5: But he comes with baggage.

570
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 3: I come with baggage, and you have to be ready

571
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 3: to like be ready to forgive because they're not gonna

572
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: be perfect. They're gonna make mistakes. I'm gonna make mistakes,

573
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: so definitely, I think. And then intentionality, especially now, like

574
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: because he's tired for me with the kids all day,

575
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: I'm tired for being at work. But it's like intentionality

576
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: and our personal relationship. Just because we're taking care of

577
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: kids together doesn't mean we're building our marriage.

578
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: Right, So you guys still have to find that time for.

579
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: You Yeah, which is a little hard sometimes, you know,

580
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: because I decided to move all the way far far away,

581
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: so I don't how my siblings to help take.

582
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 5: Care of the kids.

583
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: But I mean, we gotta figure that out, Tanya and Rue.

584
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: He really taught us that date nights don't mean date

585
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: nights to get out of your house. That means like

586
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: just turn off the TV and talk to each other,

587
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: play a game.

588
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Yeah, yeah, night is that go out again. Okay, cool,

589
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: just just be together, Yeah.

590
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 5: Without our phones. That's that's a big thing.

591
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: And have you, sister, ever thought of in this whole

592
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: almost two years of being the CEO, have you thought

593
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: I've never asked you this, but have you read that

594
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: I I don't want to do this.

595
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: I want to quit?

596
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 5: Probably a handful of times. Okay, I think.

597
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: I think it's then it's mostly emotional. Okay, that's mostly

598
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: like I just can't deal with the emotional stress. The

599
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: there's really hard decisions that need to be made, and

600
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wish someone else could make these. I

601
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: wish it wasn't me. So I have thought and I've prayed.

602
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, when how long am I going to

603
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: be doing this for?

604
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 5: Is this forever? Is this just an assignment for this moment?

605
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: Okay?

606
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: Because I don't want you to like give up on

607
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: your vit. Yeah, so I've I really need you to

608
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: like that to decide a bit, but just a little bit.

609
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: But I'm still working on like I've recorded a few

610
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: things when I have time could And this year is

611
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: definitely the year, you know, my album's coming out.

612
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: Thank God. I can't wait for you guys to listen

613
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 1: to it.

614
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: So I'm also going to have to get used to

615
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: like whatever change comes to readjust again.

616
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: And also to say, Okay, you're organizing, and it took

617
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: a long time to organize and put everything the right

618
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: way and situate it.

619
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: But once you have.

620
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: Those people, I've told you it's okay, then you delegate

621
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: and you're supervising and you could still do you and

622
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: do your family. Because I think you don't want to

623
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: live with Oh, Mom doesn't want that for you. I

624
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: can tell you right now.

625
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: I know Mom.

626
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: Okay, we all know, but I feel like Mom would

627
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: say I need you. She wanted you to be on

628
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: that stay. She wanted you to sing, she wanted you

629
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: to She wants all of us to do what we

630
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: want to do, you know. So, and I know you

631
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: never have to worry about all of us or we

632
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: all of us, and I can probably speak for all

633
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: of your siblings as well, like we're gonna be fine

634
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: with it. We want you to be happy, you know

635
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like your family is important. So I

636
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: wanted to say that. And the sister if there's anything

637
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: a piece of advice as far as like what not

638
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: to do in a relationship, like something that is like

639
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: don't do this or anything like. For instance, for me,

640
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: I have a problem with when I'm upset, I bring

641
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: up stuff that happened in the past that you hurt

642
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: my feelings about you have it and.

643
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: That's not good.

644
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: Tanya's like, huh uh, yeah, she gotta faget. Yeah, She's like,

645
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: you need to stop doing that. And I said, okay,

646
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: So that's like my little card. I was like, well,

647
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: you did this and this is why I'm like this,

648
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: and I'm like mad and I'm sad and you know,

649
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: but for me, that's that is there one that you

650
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: guys have.

651
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: I mean I used to be like that. To be

652
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 4: honest with you, I could definitely hold a grudge for

653
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 4: quite some time. Still do, but through counseling and mentorship,

654
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 4: you know, they kind of open your eyes to realize,

655
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: like why you're doing that, And when you realize you're

656
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: doing that, you're like, oh man, that's kind of childish

657
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: and petty of me. So then it forces you to change.

658
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: But you know, we all have we all go through

659
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: our process and we all go through our growth at

660
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: our own time. So it's almost like I'm not judging

661
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 4: anyone else for doing it, you know. For me, it's

662
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 4: just almost like like it's crazy, like if I don't know.

663
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: Like like the other day, Jayla was like, man, that

664
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: everyone knows the password to your phone, and I said

665
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: everyone in this household. I said, everyone in this household.

666
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: And why because I'm not hiding anything, so you guys

667
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: can go through my phone at any time when you

668
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: want and go for it, you know. And she just

669
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 4: kind of looks at it, looks at me, and she's like, Okay,

670
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: whatever Dad, And for her it's like whatever.

671
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Not.

672
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: But but I know in the future one day she's

673
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: going to look back at that and be like, Wow,

674
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: there's there's transparency there exactly. That's awesome.

675
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: And that's what I see in you too, Mike, Like

676
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: where you for you even saying like, you know what,

677
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm still working on this, I was this way that

678
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't. We had a conversation a few months ago

679
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: and we talked about it, and I was like, Dude,

680
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: that shows growth when we can say, hey, I'm not perfect,

681
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: I've messed up.

682
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: I have to up here like that. That's awesome.

683
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, And I even noticed it, like when you

684
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: were opening the show or the episodever, like we I

685
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: even tell Jackie it recently in a conversation that we

686
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: were having, I said, with me, talk to me straightforward,

687
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: like tell me like, hey, you did this wrong, or

688
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: I don't trust because of this, tell me, because you know,

689
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: I'm not afraid to see or to hear that and

690
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: see if maybe I am wrong or maybe I can

691
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: help heal you for you thinking what you're thinking, you know,

692
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: because we're afraid to say, like for example, you know,

693
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 4: if she she's afraid that I'm being in faithful, she

694
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 4: might be afraid to ask the question. Well, I don't

695
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: want to ask him if he's because he's just going

696
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: to straight up li to me and to me, I'm like,

697
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: be honest, Like, if that's the fear you have, ask

698
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 4: me and then we and then like you'll be able

699
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: to see it either in his in the reflection and

700
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: how he responds like you know, and go for it,

701
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: like you know, my mom used to say, so I'm

702
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: like okay, yeah.

703
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: And my mom always used to say, ask asking you

704
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: will learn. Don't be that little girl that's scared to

705
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: lift your hand. Always ask questions, you know. So it's

706
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: like it's true you gotta ask in order to know. So, okay, sister,

707
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: so you could be doing anything and everything. Okay, you

708
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: could have said no, I don't want to do this,

709
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: CEO Jr. E. Because whatever reasons, why did you say yes?

710
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: Well?

711
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: I prayed a lot about it because it was going

712
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: to be a sacrifice on many different levels. And I

713
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: felt God say it was actually an analogy of like

714
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: a basketball in our hands is nothing, but in the

715
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: hands of Lebron James, it's millions and millions of dollars.

716
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: And I felt God say, this company, in the right

717
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: hands will be blessed abundantly. And I really felt like, Okay,

718
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: it's gonna be hard, and it's gonna help me grow,

719
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: and it has helped me grow. I felt Mom so

720
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: close like teaching me really to grow. But it's I

721
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: feel like it's gonna be blessed because it's going to

722
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: be in there finally in the right hands.

723
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 5: And that's not just me the right hands.

724
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: But us.

725
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've been really good with involving us and everything.

726
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: I think you've been so great with that. You think

727
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: you're doing a great job, sister, And I'm sorry for

728
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: everything that has happened and publicly and so much crap

729
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: that has been said. And you know, just for the record,

730
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: did anyone force you to do this job?

731
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 5: No one forced me to do this job.

732
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: And no one forced me to sue anyone. It was

733
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: the right decision that needed to be made.

734
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: Okay, sister, Okay, great, because for some reason everyone thinks

735
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: I forced you and that I'm the big bad witch

736
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 2: that is like, do this, Jackie, and do this. Johnny

737
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: and Jenica you say this, and Mikey you be a penis,

738
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: And no, it was not me. You guys kids, and

739
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: they're not kids. They're grown as hell. Johnny's twenty three.

740
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: They're grown.

741
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: They have You guys have always had a mind of

742
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: your own.

743
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: And I'm just I'm here and I respect them, and

744
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: if I'm like, hey, this seems a little weird, at

745
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you have a mind of

746
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: your own, and you have grown so much in so

747
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: many different ways. You're so different for the better. You've

748
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: grown in every way, and I just I wanted to

749
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: kind of say that because I'm just like sometimes I'm like, oh,

750
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to out and safe, get on alive and

751
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: just go to people's houses, and I'm like ah, because

752
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: but I'm like, okay, I'm gonna compose.

753
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: You gotta trust God.

754
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: Trust God, and he knows everything.

755
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: And just for the record, when I was thinking about this,

756
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: because just the decision to do the lawsuit was not easy,

757
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: I think for any of us.

758
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very hard.

759
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: There was days where it's like, let's do this, and

760
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: there was days like I can't. This is crazy. But

761
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: you're the one that told me.

762
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 5: Let's just pray about it. Let's pray a little bit,

763
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: and we did. We gave it a whole year.

764
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: So a whole year, you guys, And so I just

765
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, you can't talk.

766
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 2: About the details, obviously, because we're going to leave that

767
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: in the hands of the law and we're just trying

768
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: to do things as right as possible. I know some

769
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: people might think, oh my god, they're stealing their grandpa.

770
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: It's so much. It's beyond that.

771
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, a lot of our family has been a

772
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: lot very business and fortunately or unfortunately, what's right is right,

773
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: and Mom worked very hard for myself and my siblings,

774
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: and it is what it is.

775
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: People want to understand it until they know the.

776
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: Detail, and it comes down to whether you're healthy or not.

777
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 4: And I think when you're not healthy, it's when you

778
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: make it personal like it's family. But if you take

779
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: the titles away, if you take away grandpa, and if

780
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 4: you take away granddaughter, and you really find out what's

781
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: going on. Wait, this deal didn't pay this deal? Well

782
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 4: that's wrong. It's that simple. But because of years and

783
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: we're healing from us, right like from us, and I

784
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 4: could only imagine they have to go through their healing

785
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: because so many things happen and they thought that was

786
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: the right way to do business back then. But it's

787
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: like no, so but then it's like take away that

788
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: from someone that was used to that and it you know,

789
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 4: like it's just it's gonna happen because they.

790
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: Had so much in their hands and so much power

791
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: that didn't take it from them, and it's like listen,

792
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: the monster comes out, you know what I mean. And

793
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: it's like we go back to what we've talked about

794
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: toxic loyalty, which you know, we can't get into it

795
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: too much right now, but that's it's like we can't

796
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: be have toxic loyalty, like we got to do what

797
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: is right and they have to do what is right,

798
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: you know.

799
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: So anyways, that's the whole other episode. You guys. But

800
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: I think you're up. Your podcast is great.

801
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: Good.

802
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So Mike, I have a question for you.

803
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: Now, what because I'm assuming that in your household, like

804
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: therapy wasn't a thing or was it like counseling? No, okay,

805
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: what was it that made you like reach out to

806
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: like Tanya? I mean, because thank God you found her

807
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: now we all benefit, But like, what do you feel like,

808
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: especially because again being a man, being a Latino man,

809
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: and men can be in arist or feel like no,

810
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: I don't need help, I'm no I got this or

811
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: what in you or what was it or what was

812
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: the moment the straw that broke the Cavil's.

813
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: Back that was like I gotta do this.

814
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 4: Oh well, I was devastated for sure, being separated from

815
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 4: my wife from the kids. And there was like many

816
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 4: nights where, you know, being honest, I would go to

817
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: sleep crying, like I'm crying for and I've told Jackie this,

818
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: Like there was days where I'm literally crying in my

819
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: bed and I'm praying to God and I'm telling God,

820
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: one day I'm going to have my wife back in

821
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 4: this bed with me. And it was tough moments. But

822
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 4: my sister was the one that actually told me. She's

823
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 4: like call this lady, like just find like because she

824
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 4: also heard her testimony. So then I called her and

825
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 4: I started having sessions and I started going through starting

826
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 4: feelings with her. And it's hard because you're fighting what

827
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 4: you were taught as a Latino man, like you know

828
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 4: losmeres no yoran or don't feel or this, and then

829
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: you have to I started coming to a realization like wait,

830
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: I'm a different type of guy than other guys, Like

831
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: I do allow myself to think and feel and sometimes

832
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: I even tell myself like, man, you're a little bit

833
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: too much. But I'm like that's the gift God has

834
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: given me, Like that's who I am, and I have

835
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: to embrace that. So through one of my sessions with Tanya,

836
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: she told me to write a letter to Jackie. So

837
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 4: I started writing a letter to Jackie and she said,

838
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: you know, write the things that you're sorry for or

839
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 4: things that or how you treated her. So I started

840
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: writing this letter and then I finished it, and then

841
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: the next session, Tanya said, all right, read it to me.

842
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: And then when I started reading it, that's what really

843
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 4: impacted me. To like it clicks something in me to

844
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: say I need to start changing because in my letter,

845
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: I was apologizing to my wife and I'm not crying

846
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: because I haven't healed from it. I'm crying just because

847
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 4: as like I remember that, and I'm like, man, I was,

848
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: I was a jerk for suppressing her, for telling her

849
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 4: that people only wanted to hear her because she's Jennie

850
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: Rivera's daughter, for telling her she's a bad mom. And

851
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: then Tanya said, would you want your daughters to marry

852
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: a man like that? And that's when I'm like, no,

853
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: like I would not. So then that kind of hit

854
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: me to be like, well, she's someone's daughter. And that's

855
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 4: when I said, Okay, now I gotta change this. I

856
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: gotta start treating and and it just honestly, that was

857
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: a transformation that God really did in me. And he said, hey, Mike,

858
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: instead of speaking these words of death to your family,

859
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: start speaking words of life. And it was hard because

860
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 4: I never grew up hearing that from my dad to

861
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: anyone or or aunts and uncles, nothing, so and as

862
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: I started doing it, it started becoming a little bit

863
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 4: more normal. And now like I'm just so grateful with God,

864
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: because I'm like, wow, like I can, I can tell her.

865
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 4: I'm proud of her, and I couldn't before. It's weird,

866
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: but it's just like that was a transformation that really helped,

867
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 4: you know, And that's why counseling it's very important.

868
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: It's very important.

869
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: You guys, therapy, We're huge, and that this is this

870
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: is the fruit of seeking counseling and therapy. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just I can't even say it enough. I'm so proud

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Speaker 2: you guys, Like this is thank you, This is awesome,

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Speaker 2: and I am so grateful that you guys sent the

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Speaker 2: time to come because I know you guys have the

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Speaker 2: kids and it's kind of far, but I'm so grateful.

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Speaker 1: So you guys before you leave.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Mac Effect, Yeah, is the podcast you guys' Instagram?

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Speaker 2: Do you guys want to share it so people can

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Speaker 2: follow you guys and follow your journey and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm Jackie Rivera only because that's my artist's name,

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Speaker 3: not because I'm not proud of the campus.

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Speaker 5: On Instagram and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jackie with a cue.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, Yeah, I've never told people, Yeah, follow me on Instagram,

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Speaker 4: so just say if you find me you find me

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Speaker 4: in That's great.

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Speaker 1: I like that, so I am proud. I love you guys,

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Speaker 1: and thank.

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Speaker 2: You for giving me beautiful, wonderful nieces and nephews. I

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Speaker 2: love them so much. There have great kids, all right,

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Speaker 2: cool and Jennica will help me. Not just gonna sho

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Speaker 2: Jen's anyways, You guys, thank you so much and I

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Speaker 2: will catch you on the next episode of Chiekis and True.

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Speaker 2: Do you need advice on love, relationships, health emails? I'm

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Speaker 2: so excited to share with you that my Cheekys and

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Speaker 2: Chill podcast will have an extra episode drop each week.

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Speaker 1: I'll be answering all your questions. Just leave me a

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Speaker 1: voice message on a midday.

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Speaker 2: All you have to do is go to speak pipe

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Speaker 2: dot com slash Cheekys and Chill podcast and record your questions.

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