Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello everyone, are you guys?
Speaker 3: So good to see you, Always good to see you.
Speaker 3: The recap today another recap, So wild.
Speaker 2: How this show is not what I in my mind
Speaker 2: thirty whatever years later. The show is so much more
Speaker 2: than I thought it was.
Speaker 1: It's this episode especially, is very different from what we've
Speaker 1: gotten used to in our Melrose world.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and like the last one too, Like we've
Speaker 4: had now had two and row that are kind of
Speaker 4: like a little darker, little heavier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such an interesting change of pace.
Speaker 4: Our expectations are they've gotten going in one direction and.
Speaker 2: It we're like I think, because we're still from like
Speaker 2: Melrose whatever it was one point zero, we're getting into
Speaker 2: the Melrose You know, we're still in season one and
Speaker 2: the show really hit I think in season two and three, right,
Speaker 2: so we're not quite to all the like craziness.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I've mentioned the ratings were
Speaker 1: very bad in the beginning. I mentioned that before, you know.
Speaker 3: You've mentioned it once or twice.
Speaker 2: The miracle we're still on that air.
Speaker 3: Something about this I think it was from you.
Speaker 2: Court It's good great, Courtney was in the studio head
Speaker 2: you that much we would gone would have been so over.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, this is a serious one. This is
Speaker 2: episode twenty seven. It's called the Test.
Speaker 4: And we're not talking about college admission testing. No, we
Speaker 4: are not, or like this is an athletic prowess test.
Speaker 2: Not yeah, No. This aired in nineteen ninety three, March
Speaker 2: thirty first, and the test we're talking about is an
Speaker 2: AIDS test. And this is sort of the height of
Speaker 2: a lot of AIDS awareness going on in our media
Speaker 2: and on our show, thanks to Aaron and Darren and
Speaker 2: the writers, in the world and in the whole world
Speaker 2: old after a decade of not enough attention. Okay, so
Speaker 2: this episode, episode twenty seven, the test refers to our
Speaker 2: a storyline which opens the show with Joe and Jake fill.
Speaker 4: In the blank in ind bed but his time not
Speaker 4: in the not in the pink satin sheets, no.
Speaker 2: But sort of move sheets manly plaid manly move and
Speaker 2: the plaid it.
Speaker 3: There was maybe move.
Speaker 4: He has a sensitive side, Jake, so I supposed I
Speaker 4: think his actual pillowcases were plaid.
Speaker 3: So it's like sort of a preppy.
Speaker 2: At any rate. Joe has to. I had to utter
Speaker 2: the cheesiest line ever. Yes, you did. What is it?
Speaker 2: Cringe alert?
Speaker 3: It was a sex pun.
Speaker 2: It was a sex pun. We were as if we
Speaker 2: had just done it. And then Joe says, I like
Speaker 2: it better in the morning, and he says, yeah, why
Speaker 2: use it gets my day out? Started with such a bang,
Speaker 2: such a guy line.
Speaker 1: I admitted, jaff you committed.
Speaker 2: I was so impressed with read it. I had this
Speaker 2: sort of like this memory stored in my cells, going,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I remember that moment, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: when I did it, I was like, who the hell
Speaker 2: wrote this? Like I would never have said that.
Speaker 4: But but you guys, the characters laughed at all and
Speaker 4: made it fun and funny, like Joe knew she was
Speaker 4: telling a dad joke and was getting a kick out
Speaker 4: of telling it. Like you played it in such a
Speaker 4: way that it was fine and we.
Speaker 3: Did all laugh.
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you, Laura, and thank god.
Speaker 1: Jake.
Speaker 2: I'll say grant aka Jake, We're so was so loving
Speaker 2: and it didn't turn him off. He just rolled over
Speaker 2: me said, you're crazy girl. You get me going again.
Speaker 3: I love dad jokes.
Speaker 2: It was so sweet. Anyway, all right. So we're in
Speaker 2: the middle of seeing what happens next with the two
Speaker 2: of us, and the phone rings and we hear on
Speaker 2: the voice machine his ex girlfriend Perry's voice, which was
Speaker 2: on the show several seasons, several episodes back, and she
Speaker 2: just says, Jake, I need you to call me right away.
Speaker 2: And we do know that we're going to find out
Speaker 2: later that she was a drug user, but she got
Speaker 2: clean and she was ready to turn her life around.
Speaker 2: And that's when the doctor says, you have AIDS. So
Speaker 2: when she finally does get him, she tells Jake that
Speaker 2: because they had unprotected sex, he needs to get tested
Speaker 2: and he should also ask his current girlfriend Joe to
Speaker 2: get tested. So at this point, Jake is like, he
Speaker 2: represents all of us. I think that in that year
Speaker 2: ninety three, you know, those of us who are not
Speaker 2: in the gay community, who had friends and lovers and
Speaker 2: everybody getting hit with this. We didn't know the masses,
Speaker 2: so there there's a lot of misinformation. There was a
Speaker 2: lot of fear about it, you know, thinking you could
Speaker 2: catch it casual touch, et cetera. So Jake is kind
Speaker 2: of scared. He's like, well, I didn't do anything like,
Speaker 2: what does does this mean for me? And he's pissed.
Speaker 2: He's pissed. Yeah. He has a very aggressive reaction to her, like,
Speaker 2: look what you know? It's your fault and and and
Speaker 2: then he's says he's as I said, he's terrified, and
Speaker 2: he can't bring himself to tell Joe kind of avoids
Speaker 2: her one night, says I always want to be alone,
Speaker 2: and she knows that Perry is called, so she's kind
Speaker 2: of misunderstanding what went on with them on that phone call.
Speaker 2: And then Jake actually talks to Matt about it and
Speaker 2: asks advice, and Matt, you know, says that he lost
Speaker 2: a lover to AIDS. And Jake finally realizes that he
Speaker 2: has to break this news to Joe, and he takes
Speaker 2: her up to Mulholland at night on his motorcycle and
Speaker 2: he breaks the news to her. And I remember shooting
Speaker 2: this scene, you know, as you said, this is a
Speaker 2: very serious scene, and uh, I just remember shooting it
Speaker 2: very well and talking about AIDS, And as you know,
Speaker 2: I was aware that we were bringing to our audience
Speaker 2: a real issue in the zeitgeist in the world. Right then.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just melrose Place drama. I definitely remember that anyway.
Speaker 2: So he says, do you remember that time when we
Speaker 2: were at that restaurant which we all saw on a
Speaker 2: few episodes back when they.
Speaker 3: Were at the rest sex capades, the sex.
Speaker 2: Capaid and before the food comes, are like, we got
Speaker 2: to get out of here, and they run home. And
Speaker 2: neither of them wanted to break the mood with pulling
Speaker 2: out protection as they talk about there on the overlook
Speaker 2: of Mulholland, and so again this is very common. People
Speaker 2: didn't want to break the mood, you know. So people
Speaker 2: did have unprotected sex, which is exactly how you can
Speaker 2: get it. So Joe at the very end of that
Speaker 2: scene says, we'll get through this together, Jake, don't worry.
Speaker 2: So they get tested and they have to wait twenty
Speaker 2: four whole hours, and they escape to the desert to
Speaker 2: try to get their mind off it. As we all
Speaker 2: know when we try to escape, especially to a place
Speaker 2: where there's no distractions, getting our mind off it is
Speaker 2: a last thing that happens. But very distracting, is it, No,
Speaker 2: But it was a really sweet scene, I thought. By
Speaker 2: the campfire and they talk about, you know, they have
Speaker 2: a new perspective of life now because they don't know
Speaker 2: what this test is going to tell them. They either
Speaker 2: have a potentially deadly disease or not. And he says
Speaker 2: he talks about how he doesn't want to take life
Speaker 2: for granted anymore, and then he uses the L word
Speaker 2: for the first time. He says he loves her. She
Speaker 2: says she loves him. Good, he said it first. And
Speaker 2: then the light, you know, the camera pulls out and
Speaker 2: we have that lovely campfire in the desert scene under
Speaker 2: the stars, and then he has a nightmare. Jake dreams
Speaker 2: that he's tested positive. Of course, we'd use that recently
Speaker 2: in another episode where somebody had it. We didn't know
Speaker 2: it was a bad dream. I don't remember offhand, but
Speaker 2: it's a great device, you know, where it's just a
Speaker 2: scene opens and the doctor comes in and says, you know,
Speaker 2: you've tested positive, and he's like what, and then boom.
Speaker 2: He wakes up in the morning in the desert in
Speaker 2: the sleeping bag and gets Joe up and it's like,
Speaker 2: come on, we're out of here. Let's go get some
Speaker 2: breakfast at a diner, and then they're going to head
Speaker 2: back to the city and hopefully get there negative results.
Speaker 2: They do both test negative. They each go to their
Speaker 2: separate doctor and we have a cut back and forth
Speaker 2: where each of them ask very pointed questions about it
Speaker 2: so that our audience can get the answers, just as
Speaker 2: our characters Joe and Jake will get answers. Doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're immune to it. Keep having sakes, save sex, you
Speaker 2: should come, you should get tested again in six months
Speaker 2: because it could be in you but not showing up
Speaker 2: the virus. So that's another chance to tell our audience about,
Speaker 2: you know, about the details of AIDS that they want
Speaker 2: them to know. So to finish off the whole, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to jump ahead for a minute because Jake,
Speaker 2: the good man that he is, ends this whole episode
Speaker 2: with going back to Perry after he's gone through this
Speaker 2: whole journey and is apologizes for his initial reaction, apologizes
Speaker 2: and asks how she really is, and she says, I'm okay,
Speaker 2: I take my medicine, and you really get a sense
Speaker 2: I thought she Michelle Johnson was it, Yes, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: she was really good in this. She just you know,
Speaker 2: she's living with it and she takes her medicine. But
Speaker 2: some days are bad and most days are okay. And
Speaker 2: he says, look, we've never given being friends to try.
Speaker 2: Let's give being friends to try, and gives her a
Speaker 2: big hug and they have that kind of closes out
Speaker 2: the whole show. That's that story. Then come back to
Speaker 2: the top and we'll see Alison, who we know from
Speaker 2: last episode, has decided to stay and so she wants
Speaker 2: her old job back. Makes sense, but unlucky for her. Lucy,
Speaker 2: after rolling her eyes, says, well, you have to go
Speaker 2: interview for your old job with none other than Amanda,
Speaker 2: because she's made Amanda in charge of hiring. So we're like, great,
Speaker 2: so we will see this storyline. We'll see Amanda, you know,
Speaker 2: totally insulting Allison's work throughout the episode, and Alison trying
Speaker 2: to you know, suck up to Amanda and you know,
Speaker 2: trying to appease her because Amanda says, well, I think
Speaker 2: I can put you on the phones while I interview
Speaker 2: all these other people. Of course I don't think we
Speaker 2: see any other interviews. But she's just putting her through
Speaker 2: the ringer, you know, she's.
Speaker 3: Just like, go back to being a secretary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be a secretary. Still. Finally, after a while, Lucy
Speaker 2: finally tells Amanda, look, you need to hire her back.
Speaker 2: There's no reason to not. This is not a sorority.
Speaker 2: I don't care if your best friends or not. You
Speaker 2: have to hire her back. So she calls a man
Speaker 2: Alison in and lets Amanda take credit for deciding to
Speaker 2: bring Alison back.
Speaker 3: She makes Amanda take her credit for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he makes her decide to take her back, and
Speaker 2: so she does. I mean, I really noticed the shoulder
Speaker 2: pads and you Courtney talked about that just recently in
Speaker 2: real life, how you would order them from home Shopping
Speaker 2: network or something bulk. This was it.
Speaker 1: It was the look.
Speaker 2: It didn't have a normal shoulder. That was just like,
Speaker 2: you had to have this. So she did, and she
Speaker 2: did this one. And I especially made a note of
Speaker 2: that lime green suit with the corset ties at the back.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you did it very well. You wore it
Speaker 2: very well. But at any rate, So she finally confronts
Speaker 2: Amanda and says, look, let's have it out. I know
Speaker 2: this is about Billy, and then Amanda insinuates, as she
Speaker 2: always does, that she and Billie are still talking and
Speaker 2: we're actually talking seeing each other and talking, and Allison's
Speaker 2: like what, and she is so gullible and huffs off,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to go back to the top
Speaker 2: and we're going to see Billy who. His first scene
Speaker 2: is with Alison where he is applying his quote, applying
Speaker 2: his creative writing skills to his resume without any ethics.
Speaker 2: So this resume is full of exaggerations and lies that
Speaker 2: he's making for applying for job at Escapade Magazine. And
Speaker 2: one of the lies is that he went to Columbia
Speaker 2: University for journalism.
Speaker 3: I mean just a little while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you have to have a whole session about
Speaker 2: if we've ever like fluffed up a resume or just
Speaker 2: tweaked something, because I know people do it, but that's
Speaker 2: so obvious. Anyway, he takes this resume. Oh, and then
Speaker 2: he says something to you know, Alison, about yeah, I
Speaker 2: put you as a reference, but it made you like
Speaker 2: the senior editor in charge of something something or other,
Speaker 2: like a very high position, and Alison's just like what.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he shows up at Escapade Magazine with flowers
Speaker 2: and this resume, and he gets past the desk by
Speaker 2: saying he has to sing to the boss.
Speaker 3: So she.
Speaker 2: Says, okay, go on, it is through there, and he
Speaker 2: shows up into the boss's office, so she's very actually impressed,
Speaker 2: I think, with the the baldiness of that, and says, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read some of your stuff, and I can't
Speaker 2: take your flowers, but yeah, I'll read some more stuff
Speaker 2: and maybe gave you something. I'll let you know. And
Speaker 2: then sure enough she brings him on and introduces him
Speaker 2: to his coworker Cameron, who actually did go to Columbia
Speaker 2: and he busted him for lying on his resume, but
Speaker 2: the sexy boss doesn't care and keeps Billy anyway and
Speaker 2: then hits on him with weird questions about if he
Speaker 2: saw her sweating at the gym and stuff. Very inappropriate woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the overall feeling of.
Speaker 4: The episode was really heavy, so it is definitely the
Speaker 4: primary storyline, and it's the primary like feeling.
Speaker 3: I thought of the episode like it was kind of
Speaker 3: a downer.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously a very important topic, but just a
Speaker 4: total energy shift from where we thought we were going
Speaker 4: in the show. And it's definitely like a super important
Speaker 4: topic that was.
Speaker 3: I think all of us sort of felt like it
Speaker 3: was a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of a one long episode of a PSA for.
Speaker 2: It was in this issue. You know, it was important
Speaker 2: to Aaron Spelling and Daron but Aaron Spelling this very
Speaker 2: year produced and the Band Plays On, which was the
Speaker 2: Discovery of AIDS, starring Matthew Modine, and it had a
Speaker 2: stellar cast. I don't know if you guys remember that
Speaker 2: back the day. I remember everyone auditioning for it, and
Speaker 2: this cast was amazing, you know, with Matthew Modine and
Speaker 2: Richard Gear and Lily Tomlin and I mean Ian McKellen.
Speaker 2: It just went on and on and I got an Emmy.
Speaker 2: It was, you know, an amazing show on a TV
Speaker 2: movie or series on HBO. So I know that, you know,
Speaker 2: Darren produced that and this was kind of like a
Speaker 2: he really which I really admire him for. You know,
Speaker 2: he brought that.
Speaker 1: And I think the reason because we've been just having
Speaker 1: two couples making out all through the in the last
Speaker 1: few episodes, right like you guys we're making out, they're
Speaker 1: making out. One episode it was you and Jake and
Speaker 1: Amanda and Billy and me Keith. It was like so
Speaker 1: many and I think they couldn't counter this storyline right
Speaker 1: with a lot of casual sex and normally in other episodes,
Speaker 1: if they had a real heavy, intense storyline, they'd have
Speaker 1: a light storyline to counter it. But I think they
Speaker 1: didn't want to break the mood with this because they
Speaker 1: really wanted to make this point, and every scene was
Speaker 1: an education, right, Like for sure, they really had something
Speaker 1: they wanted to say. And I think they maybe they
Speaker 1: were feeling, I wanted this just camp. Maybe they were
Speaker 1: feeling that there was so much casual sex on the
Speaker 1: show that they felt a responsibility to say, be careful
Speaker 1: because they talked a lot about protected sex. They talked
Speaker 1: a lot about the risks. They really talked a lot
Speaker 1: about specifically what you should do, how you should handle it.
Speaker 1: Like they were saying, you know, it takes six months,
Speaker 1: so you get tested now, you get tested later. And
Speaker 1: do you guys remember I remember going for that first
Speaker 1: HIV test? Do you remember that? And it was five days.
Speaker 1: It was terrifying, and you thought of every person you'd
Speaker 1: slept with.
Speaker 2: You had to wait for five days.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, like all of a sudden, you're remembering
Speaker 1: everybody you'd slept with. Yeah, Like in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: the first time when it went on, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: there are there are people getting it. Like when we
Speaker 1: finally came out of the dark and went, oh, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, this is real for everybody. Everybody has to
Speaker 1: be aware of this, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that And again I think
Speaker 2: not only did he want everyone, did they want everyone
Speaker 2: to know the details. There's a lot of misinformation and
Speaker 2: stigma too, like if you could get it casually, then
Speaker 2: you don't want to touch certain people's gaze were being hired.
Speaker 2: And you know, thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: gay men had died at this point because it went
Speaker 2: all through the eighties pretty much silent. So this nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three was really a time. And then you know,
Speaker 2: the drug interfere on I think came on, but there
Speaker 2: was more and more in the zeitgeist, and then more
Speaker 2: acceptance and compassion, because that's really what was missing. So
Speaker 2: I really I liked that it was a story of
Speaker 2: two heterosexual couple.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, wasn't that. Yes, it was so smart to do
Speaker 1: it that way. And when Jake calls Matt to ask him,
Speaker 1: sort of in a vague way about what happened, Matt
Speaker 1: is this great line. He said, testing positive isn't a
Speaker 1: death sentence, ignorance is. And I thought that was such
Speaker 1: a great way to say because people were like, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to know, didn't want to know, and
Speaker 1: they were really trying, you could feeling show they were
Speaker 1: trying to get people to test and be conscious and
Speaker 1: to understand because you know, Jake was this guy he
Speaker 1: didn't do ivy drugs, but he happened to have a
Speaker 1: sexy affair with a woman who did and he didn't know.
Speaker 1: They're saying, look, you don't know. It's not you're a
Speaker 1: good girl, you're a good guy. You can't get it.
Speaker 1: They really wanted people to be aware that to stop it,
Speaker 1: we all had to be active participants in prevention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was totally understandable how no one wanted
Speaker 2: to break the mood, you know, I mean, who wants
Speaker 2: to break the mood? It was a big hurdle they
Speaker 2: had to. People had to accept and live with this
Speaker 2: idea that this thing is out there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think what you're saying about like breaking the
Speaker 4: mood is that they put that dialogue in the character's mouths,
Speaker 4: you know, to say these things that an audience of
Speaker 4: all sexualities and orientations and experiences can relate to. Sort
Speaker 4: of like all the things like, this is not just
Speaker 4: a disease that affects one group of people or whatever.
Speaker 4: These are relatable things, and so by having our characters
Speaker 4: say this dialogue, it's like, oh, yeah, I get that,
Speaker 4: or I've experienced that or whatever. It made it feel
Speaker 4: very much like a PSA, but it was covering really
Speaker 4: a lot of information, whether the doctor was saying it
Speaker 4: and being really specific about now you need to get
Speaker 4: tested again in six months, because it was very very
Speaker 4: informational in the in the dialogue. But you know, like
Speaker 4: like you said, the movie, the HBO movie came out
Speaker 4: in the very same year as this, as this storyline
Speaker 4: on Melrose's Place, So I was thinking, like, it almost
Speaker 4: feels like, you know, we've already made the turn on
Speaker 4: Melroe's Place into thinking, okay, we need to definitely make
Speaker 4: this more soapy and whatever Heather's already on, we've already
Speaker 4: started to see the storyline starting to do this. It
Speaker 4: almost feels like these storylines were planned all along Billie's
Speaker 4: father passing and this really important storyline, and it almost
Speaker 4: feels like they needed to make sure that they were
Speaker 4: still telling these stories that they'd planned to tell, even
Speaker 4: though it's sort of not consistent with the.
Speaker 3: Flow of where they were going.
Speaker 4: So it did feel a little jarring as an audience
Speaker 4: member to suddenly have this really important, heavy hitting topic
Speaker 4: when we've come to expect sort of like fun and this.
Speaker 4: And to your point, Court like, it's really hard to
Speaker 4: mix it up and just have a little bit of
Speaker 4: this storyline and just get enough so that you can
Speaker 4: have a balanced, you know, fun and funny thing.
Speaker 3: On the other side, it's really hard to strike that balance.
Speaker 4: So it felt really heavily all right, let's just tell
Speaker 4: this whole story in a really big Yeah.
Speaker 1: I watched it. I was watching it with a friend
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm prepping for a pop washing thing.
Speaker 1: It's so much fun and I was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this was not the funn Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they had to get it in and so
Speaker 4: they just they did the whole thing, and like, we
Speaker 4: don't even see Jane and Michael at all in this one,
Speaker 4: or or Kimberly.
Speaker 2: Which they were very committed.
Speaker 4: We just started to see them maybe heating up in
Speaker 4: the prior episode, and then they're not even in this
Speaker 4: one because they really needed to cover this aid storyline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet they had to fight the network to
Speaker 1: do it and to really have this out there because
Speaker 1: they got so much good information out to people who
Speaker 1: probably needed who wouldn't have been researching it. Right, it's
Speaker 1: the audience from Melrose Place and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they're getting all this very specific info.
Speaker 2: You think they really would have to fight the network.
Speaker 2: Like I said, Aaron Spelling was a huge producer at
Speaker 2: this point, and he did an HBO High Caliber outlet
Speaker 2: and the band. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think so HBO was willing to do it, but
Speaker 1: Fox was the sexy fun network. I mean, look, they
Speaker 1: got it through. Somebody okayed it, but my guess is
Speaker 1: that this script was probably challenging to get through. He
Speaker 1: probably called him a couple of favors, and it was
Speaker 1: great that he did because it really was like Gloria.
Speaker 1: Like you said, there was so much direct information, like
Speaker 1: they would just have a close up on the doctor
Speaker 1: and they would be giving specific information back and forth
Speaker 1: between two doctors. It was like, in case you're not
Speaker 1: paying attention, we're going to tell you exactly what you
Speaker 1: need to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I remember going to an AIDS. It
Speaker 2: was a fundraiser with Darren and I think he was
Speaker 2: a host on it. And I was asked to say
Speaker 2: a few words, and I dawned on me that everyone
Speaker 2: and I said this, everyone in this room has someone
Speaker 2: has been affected by it. So it was everywhere, and
Speaker 2: yet people didn't know the details. It was everywhere. Everyone
Speaker 2: had somebody. I had somebody. I told you guys that
Speaker 2: my friend Patrick Lippert, who wasn't such a fun guy.
Speaker 2: We were roommaids for a while, but we were very
Speaker 2: good friends. And he founded Rock the Vote. He got
Speaker 2: young people voting with the Vote. He did the first
Speaker 2: Elton John Aids party at the Oscars. He you know,
Speaker 2: they still had Patrick Lippert Awards after this for years,
Speaker 2: but he had Aids. This aired in March July. I
Speaker 2: went to his memorial and in fact, me of ninety three,
Speaker 2: they gave chip let me leave, said I was working
Speaker 2: that day to go to that, and they shifted the
Speaker 2: schedule and I so, I just I think that's why,
Speaker 2: you know, it just feels heavy because it was heavy,
Speaker 2: and these were very dedicated people, are writers and creators,
Speaker 2: and they had to make every scene and I feel
Speaker 2: like they did balance it with the light.
Speaker 5: I mean to have Billy lying on his resume and
Speaker 5: getting obviously busted at this new magazine and then having
Speaker 5: that sexy boss hit on him and being weird.
Speaker 2: I thought that was thought that was, you know, a
Speaker 2: funny balance to balance it out a bit, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit lighter. But it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't sexy, right, It was this. I assume it's going
Speaker 1: to go somewhere. I assume that the boss is going
Speaker 1: to raise the heat on the sexual harassment, but right now,
Speaker 1: it's just him trying to make it as a writer,
Speaker 1: right and working his way into this business. So it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't have that jaunt silly, right, because he's going
Speaker 1: to be sexual harassed. We assume, yeah, she's talking about
Speaker 1: I'm sweaty.
Speaker 3: Caught in his lies too.
Speaker 4: We start to see that his resume lies may come
Speaker 4: back to haunt him, although it's not clear if she
Speaker 4: is aware that he's lying. But the partner that he's
Speaker 4: at the desk with, yeah, one who sort of calls
Speaker 4: him out like.
Speaker 3: Hey, you went to Columbia, so did I and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, let's year yeah different.
Speaker 1: Do you think he knows? Do you think the guy knows?
Speaker 4: I mean, I certainly that because he calls him out
Speaker 4: because you know, Billy tries to blow it off and
Speaker 4: say it was a big school Well no, it's not,
Speaker 4: you know, total, especially like within the journalism department. You know,
Speaker 4: like you might know somebody that was only two years
Speaker 4: apart in the same department. That is sort of funny,
Speaker 4: But it did not seem clear to me whether the
Speaker 4: female boss herself was aware that he lied all that
Speaker 4: on his resume. She seems mostly just interested in him
Speaker 4: because he's good looking and he's a good enough writer
Speaker 4: that she wanted to give him the chance of the job.
Speaker 2: And I think she was impressed with how he got in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's gumption for doing what he did to get
Speaker 4: in and lying about his Yeah, or was it always
Speaker 4: just that.
Speaker 2: He was cute?
Speaker 1: It just ends on very strong, very fast. There's not
Speaker 1: like there's not like a professional right.
Speaker 4: And he was like good enough. Because what she was
Speaker 4: really interested is that while he's cute, because we that
Speaker 4: whole scene where she's asking him about if you were
Speaker 4: next to me at the gym and it was me
Speaker 4: and I was sweaty, would you be attracted to me?
Speaker 3: Like totally it was so weird.
Speaker 1: She goes, I go to the gym at five nights
Speaker 1: a week. And there's this guy who looked just like you.
Speaker 1: So we're really making it clearly like I looked.
Speaker 3: Just like you.
Speaker 1: I thought he had the hots for me. It's like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is so on the.
Speaker 4: Nose, super not subtle. Yeah, and he's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this heels going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find that attracted. Well. You know what's funny
Speaker 1: too about this episode, like we I like the episode's
Speaker 1: best where we're all we're all working with each other.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of overlap. Like the last episode with
Speaker 1: Billy's father dying, there's a we're all in scenes. It's
Speaker 1: really interwoven. This was three completely separate storylines. I think
Speaker 1: Billy and I had one scene together, a couple of
Speaker 1: scenes together in the apartment and about him lying and
Speaker 1: putting on his resume, and but that was it. Then
Speaker 1: we're in these completely separate worlds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you guy.
Speaker 1: They send you guys all the way to the desert,
Speaker 1: like we're you're not in your apartment anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And Alison's busy trying to get her job back, and
Speaker 4: and can we please can we just talk for twenty
Speaker 4: minutes about how bad my hair and close.
Speaker 2: Her hair clothes. I know I felt for you.
Speaker 1: It deserves a lot of time I must have. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, was I growing my bangs up? I had
Speaker 1: it back in a French braid that I clearly did
Speaker 1: myself and just sprayed off my face like I was
Speaker 1: gonna do gymnastics somewhere.
Speaker 2: What was I do? See?
Speaker 4: I'm not assuming that you did it yourself because the
Speaker 4: weird thing about that back French braid it was tied
Speaker 4: with a giant scrunchy at the.
Speaker 1: End, which I promised you I did myself, I promise you.
Speaker 4: Then did you also do Billy's Bosses hair? Because she
Speaker 4: had the same exact hairdoo in the same episode.
Speaker 3: She had brandshack with the same scrinch that.
Speaker 1: Was very in fashion.
Speaker 3: Laura, I don't think you did.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was it was, don't you remember, like that
Speaker 1: little low pony with the big scrunchy. I remember it
Speaker 1: was very cool. I got a life.
Speaker 2: I mean, every time I saw that or your other
Speaker 2: hairdoos against in a scene with Amanda, I'm just like, well,
Speaker 2: she please just get a clue and do some nice
Speaker 2: highlights and do what Amanda does. Because Heather always looks
Speaker 2: amazing and she does nothing but have this hairtail on
Speaker 2: your side, and I'm like, why is Alison going all
Speaker 2: over and doing all these circus tricks with her hair?
Speaker 1: And then remember the outfit when I'm at the desk
Speaker 1: and I've got huge voluminous linen pants, a weird mock
Speaker 1: turtle turkur thing, and then a huge tapestry, Like, what
Speaker 1: what happened? Did they not have my size and anything?
Speaker 1: Everything was huge?
Speaker 2: Was Denise on vacation.
Speaker 1: From mad at Me? You were friends with her? Did
Speaker 1: I fend her?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I think we see flashes of really really bad nineties nineties?
Speaker 3: Yeah, not all of it is make a note?
Speaker 2: What were you thinking?
Speaker 1: It wasn't fashion though? It was like but there was
Speaker 1: no fitted thing. It was three huge layers, and next
Speaker 1: to Amanda in her fitted top and tiny skirt.
Speaker 2: It could have been from above. I wonder if Courtney
Speaker 2: they said, look, we need to make they've decided that
Speaker 2: Amanda's a sexy one, because a lot of things are
Speaker 2: they put to you with this baggy stuff because you're
Speaker 2: you are sexy and you had this body and I'm
Speaker 2: wondering if it came from on top, you know how
Speaker 2: they said, shorten the skirts. Well maybe they're like put
Speaker 2: her in volume.
Speaker 1: Against This is when they got the note this is
Speaker 1: probably remember right after this bright tighter and Allison this
Speaker 1: more tobably the episode, they were like, what is happening there?
Speaker 3: That has no more bricade?
Speaker 1: Three layers of atpoestry like they just said, it was
Speaker 1: like gone with the wind. They're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: nobody's using these curtains. Let's make these into a jacket
Speaker 1: for Allison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: Well I don't really want to see the giant braid
Speaker 4: down the back with a big scrunchy anymore, and a
Speaker 4: business suit, even if that business suit is this pale
Speaker 4: lime green with corset laces in the back, also bizarre,
Speaker 4: like the whole.
Speaker 1: Thing in the breasted dress with the person I think you.
Speaker 2: Guys wore a lot of those, though, Court. I remember
Speaker 2: Alison D and D had a lot of these suit skirts,
Speaker 2: suit jackets that were like with the shoulder blades, double breasted,
Speaker 2: some big buttons, but older pads like this and then
Speaker 2: a little skirt under. That's what I remember a lot
Speaker 2: of Well I do know.
Speaker 1: Look I've said this before, but I had huge breasts
Speaker 1: and I was so self consciously.
Speaker 2: You know, you do keep saying that is there reason?
Speaker 1: I know because because I'm watching it going holy smoked.
Speaker 1: I mean I was so self conscious. So that was
Speaker 1: kind of Denise was kind of stuck because I wanted
Speaker 1: to hide. I didn't know that I should have been
Speaker 1: fitted right, It would have been better doing fitted, but
Speaker 1: I was trying to hide them, which means you end
Speaker 1: up bringing these voluminous things with huge arms. Like I
Speaker 1: was looking at the way the arms were fitted and
Speaker 1: I was like, there are arms like huge.
Speaker 2: Sweaters were like that too.
Speaker 1: Nothing fitted. Everything was so huge. And then in this one,
Speaker 1: I had this like weird bra that had seen in
Speaker 1: the front that looked like those fifties bras that were
Speaker 1: made of iron. I have a seam in my woice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, not everybody has this like memorializing of
Speaker 4: their early twenties or their youth on film, and we
Speaker 4: have this weird thing that we're we get to go
Speaker 4: back and see it for better or for worse, and
Speaker 4: then just went to see the earlier version of ourselves.
Speaker 4: Not everybody gets to have that, and everybody has to
Speaker 4: have it, and I don't.
Speaker 2: Think a lot of it's flattering.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, it's not always easy to see that, and
Speaker 4: it brings up those feelings like gosh, I remember feeling
Speaker 4: insecure about this or that, and now I have to
Speaker 4: watch it all over again, and I know.
Speaker 3: That it's not it's not always easy.
Speaker 1: Well, in the defense of all the hair and makeup people,
Speaker 1: I had a rule that I would only give them
Speaker 1: an hour to get ready. So so I do hair, makeup,
Speaker 1: and wardrobe in an hour and I wouldn't give them
Speaker 1: any more time. So some of that is my fault
Speaker 1: because you're like, well, we got to do the best
Speaker 1: we can do it and.
Speaker 2: Out so they were halfway through and then you just
Speaker 2: went back to your trailer to like do a quick
Speaker 2: friend's braid and grab a scrunchy.
Speaker 3: I do my own braid.
Speaker 1: The I wasn't processing it. I never did anything. It
Speaker 1: would be there forever.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the guys would just breeze in and
Speaker 2: breeze out like that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like the guys, and I was.
Speaker 3: I was the opposite.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 4: I was like, however long it takes, whatever, you know,
Speaker 4: if I need actually worked so great, give me some
Speaker 4: extra time.
Speaker 2: I remember being in the makeup trailer and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm ready, and then Heather will be next
Speaker 2: to me, still getting like teased and this, and then
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, can you I'm not quite ready yet.
Speaker 2: Can see what she's doing. I'll be ready in a minute.
Speaker 2: So what a what are you using on the lip
Speaker 2: over there?
Speaker 1: Lona didn't know and you remember that time too, like
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm clearly trying a new hairstar where I'm
Speaker 1: pulling it back. I didn't know, like now I've settled
Speaker 1: on this hairdo that I will have for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. That it was just like I just
Speaker 1: now I know. I'm like, this is what works. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to try I'm not doing anything different anymore.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 1: So just lock it in because I feel like I
Speaker 1: was trying something new and I was trying it on TV,
Speaker 1: like that's where you want to try the huge amounts
Speaker 1: of hairspray and the homemade French braik.
Speaker 4: You know, on the topic of trying new hair on
Speaker 4: television yet but totally, I kind of had a lot
Speaker 4: of experience in trying new things and just like going
Speaker 4: out and pin with that, you know, in the under
Speaker 4: the umbrella of like it was a character, but still
Speaker 4: you know it was like, Laura, don't your hair was
Speaker 4: cut short, let's flip it out, you know.
Speaker 2: Don't you remember them having instinct and initiating hair. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know went in with my They would kind of
Speaker 2: come up with their idea and I would either agree
Speaker 2: or not agree.
Speaker 4: Well my I mean, I mean my character and the
Speaker 4: hair and stuff that was very I was specific and
Speaker 4: I think unique on the show because I was definitely
Speaker 4: sitting in the hairchair and we're going, what do we
Speaker 4: want to do today? And we collectively would come up
Speaker 4: with something that was, oh, this is funny for Sydney,
Speaker 4: you know. So it wasn't necessarily a reflection of my
Speaker 4: personal taste, but it was like, what do we think
Speaker 4: is really fun and funny for this character because we
Speaker 4: seemed to be given the permission to do so, and
Speaker 4: I thought that was a really fun element. Not fun Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I did. But other you know, other than that,
Speaker 4: Like I I will say, in the nineties and in
Speaker 4: the eighties, I had some super bad hair. Like you're
Speaker 4: saying Courtney, like you've settled on a haircut that like
Speaker 4: this works for me, This is this is what works.
Speaker 4: I went through plenty of I tried everything, and I
Speaker 4: have real bad I should try to find some really
Speaker 4: horrible that I cannot blame on a character.
Speaker 3: That was something I did all by myself, myself.
Speaker 1: I picked it out of all the Yes.
Speaker 2: I remember doing a movie in eighty six or seven
Speaker 2: and they wanted me to get a perm.
Speaker 3: Oh, I got plenty of those.
Speaker 2: I got the perm. We frizzed it out, curled it out,
Speaker 2: they died a black and I just had this cool
Speaker 2: like thing, Yeah, perm thing, Kartney, did you ever get it?
Speaker 2: And shoulder blades? Honestly, I mean shoulder pads. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My sister gave me a home perm.
Speaker 3: I can show you.
Speaker 1: I have a picture of it right here. I carry
Speaker 1: it with me.
Speaker 4: I think we should we should all find a perm
Speaker 4: photo and share.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that perm that I got lasted two movies
Speaker 2: because I remember another one right after. Well, we're just
Speaker 2: gonna work with it. My mom.
Speaker 4: There was one photo I remember from the seventies that
Speaker 4: my sister and I still just thin because the funniest
Speaker 4: thing my mom had just given herself a PERM and
Speaker 4: she was standing in the hallway of our house and
Speaker 4: her hair filled up almost the whole hallway.
Speaker 2: It's basically curling it and frying it with chemicals.
Speaker 3: But it was there was a there was a bigger
Speaker 3: is better stage.
Speaker 1: My sister go to firm once at the beauty salon
Speaker 1: and she was riding our bike back and do it
Speaker 1: using a hair pic on the way. By the time
Speaker 1: it was just like huge.
Speaker 2: She was horrified.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but we thought it looked good. That was
Speaker 3: what we were going for. Bigger the better.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I wanted that eight is enough the sister and eight
Speaker 1: is enough the curly hair and straight bangs.
Speaker 2: That's what I was going for.
Speaker 1: I never achieved it.
Speaker 3: Hmm. I don't think I ever tried that one.
Speaker 1: I think I just cry it now.
Speaker 4: It's never I should definitely try it. To try it now,
Speaker 4: you're like Laura's that just sucker. She'll probably try it
Speaker 4: now if I tell her to on you.
Speaker 1: But you try to go You remember, you try to
Speaker 1: go in and say I want big loose and you
Speaker 1: can't do loose waves with the perm They say you can't,
Speaker 1: but you can, and they put on those little tiny
Speaker 1: things and the go it'll loosen up.
Speaker 3: It doesn't loosen up.
Speaker 1: It doesn't loosen up ever.
Speaker 4: They're the tiniest little plastic rollers. The kink corkscrew like curls.
Speaker 4: And then and it smells like a hard boiled egg.
Speaker 3: It's so bad.
Speaker 1: But so let's talk more about this girl line because
Speaker 1: Amanda has this great line that I wrote down. It
Speaker 1: made me laugh so hard. She says, so, so she's
Speaker 1: Allison is forced on her to work with her again,
Speaker 1: and she's making her do all the drudge work, and
Speaker 1: she's she's rejecting all of her reports.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Allison in this very I loved my tone.
Speaker 1: I was like, we were friends member.
Speaker 2: Sucking up, sucking up. Yeah, remember.
Speaker 1: And then she says, let's get one thing clear. In
Speaker 1: the past, we let friendship get in the way of
Speaker 1: our professional relationship. Let's not make that mistake again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, and then I have to make this point. This
Speaker 1: is on another storyline, but back when I have to
Speaker 1: go back to Joe and Jake because I forgot it
Speaker 1: about this. So Joe and Jake are in the desert
Speaker 1: and they're talking about life and our short life is
Speaker 1: and Joe says, out of nowhere, I never thought I'd
Speaker 1: lived past thirty. That's how old my mother was when
Speaker 1: she committed suicide. Yeah, and she just sort of dropped
Speaker 1: it there. Jake doesn't say tell me more than he goes,
Speaker 1: I love you, And then that was like, yeah.
Speaker 5: She.
Speaker 1: Red flag.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she has mentioned it before.
Speaker 4: Remind me when that was, because I don't remember it
Speaker 4: as as like making it makes sense. I felt like
Speaker 4: in that scene, like you're saying, Corney, that she really
Speaker 4: just dropped it there, and I kind of went, yes,
Speaker 4: well that was big, and it wasn't addressed enough because
Speaker 4: then I started going, wait, did we already know this?
Speaker 3: Did we?
Speaker 4: And I wasn't clear enough that we already knew this information.
Speaker 4: I thought that was such huge information to just leave
Speaker 4: there right there.
Speaker 2: And I remember her saying something when she first comes
Speaker 2: in the show, and when she first I don't remember
Speaker 2: who she's talking to, but.
Speaker 1: That your mother died, not that she committed sue.
Speaker 2: She committed suicide. But it wasn't a lot. It's not
Speaker 2: like a memorable part of Joe's history. But I do
Speaker 2: remember that, but it's still I think the whole thing is,
Speaker 2: don't forget this is that limbo of they've taken the
Speaker 2: test and they don't know the result, and they're both
Speaker 2: talking about how, you know, really deep kind of like
Speaker 2: life changing perspective on life things. And so I think
Speaker 2: she's sharing with him, you know, because they're really going deep.
Speaker 2: They're both going deep, and so I just feel and
Speaker 2: in the desert and all the parameters fall away, and
Speaker 2: your roles that you usually are with each other fall away,
Speaker 2: and you know, you usually just jump in the sack
Speaker 2: and get you know, tipsy or whatever or vice versa.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't. They don't have that. And
Speaker 2: I think that I you know, because I think she's
Speaker 2: about thirty, right, so she's saying like I thought i'd
Speaker 2: be dead soretly, and she could be. You know, they
Speaker 2: could be. They don't know. And yeah, scary because Perry
Speaker 2: just said we had unprotected sex not that long ago.
Speaker 2: You've had it with your girlfriend, I have aids, go
Speaker 2: get tested. And so this is a twenty four hours
Speaker 2: or whatever where they're, oh my god, what if? And
Speaker 2: so you're imagining your life over And that's what I think.
Speaker 3: Like that was, yeah, added to the It really.
Speaker 2: Was added to their relationship too.
Speaker 1: I think it deserved to follow the question. Let's just
Speaker 1: say that I think, yeah.
Speaker 4: You're a little curiosity something it felt like a lot to.
Speaker 2: Just buy or buy Jake saying well, what do you
Speaker 2: mean by that? How did she do it? Or not?
Speaker 4: Not that kind of follow up question, just more like
Speaker 4: acknowledging that that must have been you know, while that's
Speaker 4: huge in your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you want to talk about it or something.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 4: But it did feel like just sort of plopped there
Speaker 4: and that he didn't follow up.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess for me a lot because I feel
Speaker 2: like all of their scenes were I mean up up
Speaker 2: in the the the muhall overlook at night that was
Speaker 2: a big deal. That's where he says I may have
Speaker 2: aids and you may have aids. You know, we got
Speaker 2: to get tested. So I just feel like everyone, every
Speaker 2: scene that they went through was an invitation and a
Speaker 2: safety to go even deeper. That's what I felt, Yeah,
Speaker 2: remembering these scenes like, wow, we're going so by the
Speaker 2: time I got there, it didn't seem like just to
Speaker 2: jump out to me. But that's because I was in
Speaker 2: the storyline.
Speaker 4: I think, Well, I think in this episode two, we
Speaker 4: see that we're firmly we've turned the corner for Amanda
Speaker 4: to be bitchy like her character is going to be bitchy,
Speaker 4: where as if it started, you know, with maybe not
Speaker 4: having her. I think now we're clear that's going to
Speaker 4: be okay for her character. And I also think we
Speaker 4: leave a established firmly that, like Matt is the go
Speaker 4: to guy if you need advice or just a shoulder
Speaker 4: or just somebody to listen.
Speaker 3: There's going to be a reason for Matt to be
Speaker 3: that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it really sort of moved off Billy Allison,
Speaker 1: like they just seem like total roommates again. So they
Speaker 1: got really really close and now they seem like roommates again.
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see in the next episode.
Speaker 1: I did look ahead because I was like, what is next?
Speaker 1: Is like this poor friend, this it'll be great fun.
Speaker 1: But next is you know, Kimberly and mikeel heating up.
Speaker 1: So we kind of get back to the Melrose that
Speaker 1: we were expecting coming up in the next episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got these we got these heavy things out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well done, well done, Melrose.
Speaker 4: We can expect some of the typical Melrose probably to
Speaker 4: circle backs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but it was really great, really good work
Speaker 1: in this episode. To Daphne, it really was important, you
Speaker 1: guys did a great job.
Speaker 2: And we'll never forget Denise Wingate for your outfits in
Speaker 2: this episode. I must say I felt like she was gone.
Speaker 1: I would bring a picture and say, what were you?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 1: I hurt you in some way.
Speaker 2: But I swear to God, you guys, don't you think
Speaker 2: if we weren't thirty something years on, if we were
Speaker 2: back then, that it wasn't that out there?
Speaker 1: It was. I'm very bad costume. It was a very
Speaker 1: bad costume episode for me. But maybe I was supposed
Speaker 1: to look like so much the underdog next to Amanda
Speaker 1: who looks gorgeous in every single scene. Maybe if so
Speaker 1: well done, because that wasn't the goal.
Speaker 2: And to your point, Courtney, about you, about Alison and Billy.
Speaker 2: So the last episode you said I'm gonna stay, he
Speaker 2: talked to you into staying so you don't go back
Speaker 2: to Keith in Seattle. So now you're here, how long
Speaker 2: is it do you remember until you guys actually start
Speaker 2: to become a couple, Like, how are we gonna work
Speaker 2: for that?
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to find out.
Speaker 4: And I just want to reassure you that, like by
Speaker 4: the time Sydney.
Speaker 3: Comes on the show, like, you're gonna feel so much
Speaker 3: better about your life.
Speaker 4: You're going to see all the hair dos and the
Speaker 4: outfits that I was just like, Okay, we're gonna do
Speaker 4: like and there's no sense in being like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I want this to be a little bit more
Speaker 3: flattering or whatever, like Nope, it's just going to be
Speaker 3: a very like yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to for all of us, like
Speaker 2: trying this and trying that, and then you just look
Speaker 2: at a man and go, Jesus, she just wears the
Speaker 2: same old thing as he looks back.
Speaker 1: She always looks amazing. Yeah, she wins.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Oh, ladies, so much fun, all right. I think we
Speaker 1: have a couple of guests before the week up, and
Speaker 1: it's very exciting. Now we have people coming on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then we can.
Speaker 4: Do and we're getting close to it at the end
Speaker 4: of our season, so I'm sure every storyline is gonna
Speaker 4: be heating up.
Speaker 3: But always fun to see Ladies steally great.
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