WEBVTT - Climate of Chaos 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.280 Good morning, peep Sen. Welcome to OGE Up Daily with 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:18.200 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:23.880 you know, I gotta tell you something. It is wild 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:34.120 to wake up to news of Solomon Pennia, the former 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.360 GOP candidate in New Mexico who is running for a 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:43.280 House district seat there, who is now the culprit, according 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:48.680 to New Mexico police, the mastermind behind politically motivated shootings 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.839 that were taking place at the offices and homes of 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.240 New Mexico Democrats. Why do I say that it is 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:59.080 wild because just a couple of months before that it 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.520 was former Speaker Nancy Pelosi's home and her husband's skull 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:08.680 being bashed in by a hammer. These incidents are becoming 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:15.560 way to fucking common. These incidents are a pattern of 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:20.119 behavior that is being stoked and celebrated on the right, 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:26.200 and the irresponsible nature of the fucking mainstream media not 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.920 to connect the dots for the American public, is going 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.880 to ensure that these acts of violence are now just 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.880 the norm in our political discourse. That to become a 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.319 candidate for office not only as a woman and as 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.120 a personal color or somebody who lives at the intersection 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:49.040 of multiple identities. Not only are you going to have 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:54.200 to just swallow online social media egregious attacks about rape 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.200 and murder and all of these things, but now what 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.480 you're going to need to build in private security into 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:06.040 your fucking campaigns because we're creating a climate of chaos 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.600 where nut jobs are not called out for the shit 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.640 that they do who are elected and the things that 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.079 they say, and they're posing with ar fifteens or cooking 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.320 bacon with their fucking guns, or lining their children up 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.720 as Lauren Bobert did in front of a fucking Christmas 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.000 tree with all of their guns and thinking that this 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.400 is the American way. And then you have people who 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.320 then take this too right the next fucking level, and 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.560 the mainstream media just goes ahead and ignores it. Oh well, 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:37.960 we don't really know what's in people's hearts, are in 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.839 their minds, Yes, you fucking do. Are you dumb? Right? 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.839 Are we dumb to believe that the escalating rhetoric that 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.680 we have seen from the Matt Gates's and the Paul 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.120 Gostars and the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Donald Trump's 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.519 who said I could shoot somebody in the middle of 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.240 Fifth Avenue and watch my poll numbers go up. That 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.359 has said at rallies, Oh, go ahead and rough them 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.360 up a little bit. I'll pay for your legal fees, 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.320 or said that in front of the Suffolk County Police 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.960 Department when he was President of the United States, go 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.040 ahead and rough him up to raucous laughter from police 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.079 who are paid by your motherfucking tax dollars. So you 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:25.840 have these elected officials with bull horns stoking political violence 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:30.799 at their enemies, referring to their political opponents as their enemies, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.880 and saying that people in the press are the enemy 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.800 of the state. Do we remember when all of the 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:41.240 bomb threats were coming in to CNN. Do we remember 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:47.000 when members of Congress, particularly Democrats, were receiving white substance 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:52.400 in the mail. This is not a game, but to 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:57.080 them it is, and it is irresponsible, irresponsible of the 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.960 mainstream media not to be connecting the fucking dots and 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:05.880 calling these people out. Why aren't Republican officials put on 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:10.080 their fucking heels about the Solomon Pennias of the world. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.960 Why aren't they asked, why do you continue to lift 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:19.640 up and turn Kyle Rittenhouse a fucking murderer into one 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:24.640 of your celebrities. Why aren't these questions asked by reporters, Oh, 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.360 because they're too chicken shit, because their networks believe, who 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.480 are run by right wing billionaires, that if they were 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.680 to pose those questions and they would seem biased. Do 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.720 you know what's fucking biased? Not a learning the public 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.479 to violence that you know is on the fucking horizon. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.640 And as a matter of fact, folks, it's not on 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:50.239 the horizon, it's here. These things, these incidents are going 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.599 to go from being every few of they went to 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:59.039 never happening to once in a blue moon. Right, you 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.600 had Gabby Giffer and the shooting that happened that cost 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.240 her her political future. Right, you had the shooting that 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:12.159 happened with Nunez on the field in Washington, DC. Years later. Now, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.560 these things that were once in a blue moon horrific 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.560 incidents that both sides would come out and condemn. You 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:24.599 have being celebrated and elevated on behalf of the Republican Party, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:29.160 and yet not a person in mainstream media coming out 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.080 and saying, why aren't you condemning violence? These people took 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.920 pictures at the stop the Steel rally Solomon Pennia was 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.720 at the Stop the Steel rally on January sixth. He 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.400 took pictures and posted them on social media. He didn't 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.840 concede his fucking loss, which was a lot because Donald 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:54.880 Trump didn't concede his loss. These are all fucking copycats 0:05:55.080 --> 0:06:01.800 and they're getting their direction from one place. Elected Republican 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:07.440 officials who are taking their cues from Donald Trump. Now, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.279 let me tell you who could have made this all 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.840 fucking go away. Is Merrick Goddamn we don't know where 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:18.200 the fuck you are Garland, Right If Merrick Garland, I 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.599 don't know was awake at the wheel and decided that 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.640 he was actually going to indict Donald Trump for his 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.599 whole host, whole host of motherfucking crimes. Going back to 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.160 can you do me a favor? Though, to Zelinski, had 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.440 he decided to drop charges on Donald Trump the minute 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.839 that he got on Air Force one and took off 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.839 after his failed to first term in office, we wouldn't 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.839 be here because, you see, you would make an example 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.880 of what is unacceptable of the office of the presidency, 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.640 of what is unacceptable for an elected official. But because 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.520 there are no handcuffs on Donald Trump, there are no indictments, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.120 there's no nothing. Then all everybody is doing is taken 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.480 a page from that book and saying I can do 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:14.400 it better. So I don't just blame the people who 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:19.560 Solomon Pennia hired. I don't just blame Solomon Penia. I 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.400 don't just blame the Republican Party. I don't just blame 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.640 Donald Trump. But I blame those who are now in 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.800 power that refuse to hold them accountable and are just 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.280 setting us up this giant fucking tinderbox. And their inaction 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.120 is just allowing the gasoline to continue to leak and 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:42.320 Republicans to continue to spark the fires that then they're 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.040 going to say after the fact, well it's hot over there, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:52.560 so maybe stay away, folks. We are not headed anywhere 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:58.160 that is good and anywhere that is safe. And you know, 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:03.320 I will also go for and mentioned to Jonathan that 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.120 I believe that the far right really does just want 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.400 to kill their constituents. The question that I have is 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.960 why right? And so I get into this and so 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.640 much more with our good good friend, our in house doctor, 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:24.920 doctor Jonathan Metzol. Folks, you know that whenever we have 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.280 the opportunity to speak with our friend the good doctor, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.880 doctor Jonathan Metsol. We are always thrilled, and unfortunately every 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.520 time that we talk to him, something bad has happened. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.520 As it pertains to guns, as it pertains to the 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:43.079 rise and escalation in a political violence, and both Jonathan 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.040 have come to the forefront. So, folks, you may not 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.440 know this, but a couple of I want to say, 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:55.080 a couple of weeks ago, there were shootings that took 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.600 place in New Mexico directed at Democrats that we're holding 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:04.160 elect office. There were shootings at their office buildings and 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.760 their homes, and New Mexico police were on the search 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.600 for that person. Cable news in a large way was 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:16.680 ignoring this until this week when Solomon Pennya, who was 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:22.160 a former Republican candidate for the House District House District fourteen, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.920 if I am correct, was arrested and he was arrested 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.000 for being the quote mastermind according to New Mexico police, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.320 behind these political attacks, and they were indeed political attacks 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.880 because he lost his election by more than thirty five 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.079 hundred votes. And guess what he refused to concede. Who 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.360 does that sound like? He has pictures posted up with 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.560 at the insurrection on January sixth talking about he will 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.960 not concede, just like his president did not concede Donald Trump, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.640 so on and so forth. And on top of executing um, 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.800 I guess, finding for people to commit these crimes, he 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.240 also is said to have shot up one of the 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:14.960 offices himself. So, Jonathan, UM, I mean, let me just 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:20.920 get your reactions from solid from this case and what 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.560 we how it started, and what we now know about 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:30.679 the quote unquote mastermind behind these attacks. Well, this is 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.240 hey everybody. First of all, nice to see you again. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.360 We're talking about some crazy shite here. Fifteen years ago, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.120 ten years ago. Certainly when I was growing up, this 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.679 would be the kind of thing you would hear about 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:49.400 in some like tin pot dictatorship or something like that, Like, 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.160 you know, this is the kind of thing that was like, Man, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.079 thank god I live in America, because you know, even 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.200 though we have people who might do something like that, 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.360 that's not where we have. We have a viable political 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.880 system in the United States, which we still do in 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.720 some ways. But really this is America right now. We 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.920 are that tinpot dictatorship right now. It feels like we're 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.920 heading that way in certain kind of ways, because these 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.240 are the kind of stories again that you would hear 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.440 from somebody who had a lot of silver foil wrapped 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.719 around a cone on their head, or somebody who was 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.280 up in the mountains, you know, in a Sasquatch movie 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.040 or something. And now this is somebody who's a candidate 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.560 in a mainstream political party doing this kind of stuff. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.160 And so Number one is just how much the America 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.559 that we live in right now, in so many ways, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.880 the extreme has become the mainstream. Right. We've always had 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.360 an extreme, but the fact that these extreme people acts, 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.800 there's just kind of carte blanche to do crazy stuff, 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.040 and we're seeing crazy stuff. And I personally find this 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:56.640 story terrifying. I really find it terrifying because think about 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.640 all the I just put it into the bucket of like, 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.960 think of all the people who are running for office 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.319 right now who are like either heart meet away from 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.920 power or in the case of George Santos, in power. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:14.160 Our entire political system first of all, is attracting horrible people, 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.880 and second of all, really extreme or manipulated views are 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.040 either in power or too close to power. And that 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.319 makes for a very unstable political system, which is what 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.200 we have right now. And I feel like with all 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:28.959 this debt ceiling stuff and all that just going to 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.559 get a little bit worse, you know, Jonathan, I want 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:37.360 to pick up on something that you said, because there 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:43.439 seems to be some type of crackpot pathology that has 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:49.320 consumed the Republican Party in a way where right, like 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.840 this story would have seemed crazy fifteen years ago, Right, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.240 George Santos as a character now and emblematic of the 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:03.040 Republican Party would have seemed nuts. Right and traditional quote 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.320 unquote Republicans who are now have now long since died 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.160 off would have denounced this person because they wouldn't have 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.920 wanted to be associated with them. What has happened? What 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:18.200 is the psychology and the pathology that has overtaken I 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.400 don't want to say overtaken because that makes it seem 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:25.080 like they are victims, but that has consumed the Republican Party, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:30.120 that more and more of these extremist figures have found 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.880 their way to the center stage. Certainly, there is an 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:39.040 issue with the vetting process, with the recruitment process, but 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.240 I would also say, what are we looking for in 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.640 a politician right now? I grew up in Kansasy, Missouri, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.080 which is now the rednists of the red areas. But 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.920 when I grew up, we had politicians who were certainly 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.360 we didn't agree with them, you know, people like Bob 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.480 Dole from Kansas or some people from Missouri. But the 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.800 reason they were in power they had an ideology, a 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.600 system of governance, a way of getting things done for 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.640 their constituents, a way of bringing home the bacon or 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:15.240 the tofurky or whatever for their people. And now that's 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.760 not the system we're in. The system is a zero 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.760 sum who's going to own the Libs, who's going to 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.320 be good in social media? The governance having an ideology, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:29.080 having a perspective is totally second secondary. In fact, people 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.640 are elected to not get things done right now, to 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.560 overturn if the government is If the government is the 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.920 bad guy, then people are elected to go in and 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.520 destroy the government, which is what we're seeing in the 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.400 House of Representatives right now. And so it's just a 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:46.800 scary time because the people who are in these positions 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.000 are representing very extreme positions, but they also are in 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:55.320 there to not get things done. And I also think, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.240 honestly it was Santos, since you brought it up, there's 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:03.400 there's some other story here like no, no, I know 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.880 there are a lot of fake stories, but I mean 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.000 the Russians have to be behind this or Saudis somebody's 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.440 behind this, Like somebody basically bought a vote. Um, that's 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.200 kind of the Santa story. And so again there's something 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:20.320 about the vetting. There's something about the process. And if 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.320 you add that in to the stuff I'm setting now, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.600 which is a lot of guns, right, this is also 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.040 the story in New Mexico is also a story about guns. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.040 It's a it's a volatile moment. And again I worry 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.840 as as governance potentially starts to crack, and again we're 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.960 going to see it with this debate about the debt ceiling. Um. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.080 But if the government starts to kind of fall apart 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.520 in terms of not just crazy people in elections, in offices, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.920 but about the basic services it provides to people, which 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.480 is what would be the implications if we default on 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.400 loans as a country, then you're really going to see 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.240 even I think, much more uncertainty, much more instability, and 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.520 and the things we're seeing now as news stories are 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.960 going to start to feel up more personal. You know 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.560 something that you said to I want to lift up 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.280 because I did an interview earlier today with the Young 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.640 Turks and the damage Report, and you know, in the commentary, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.120 one of the stories that we were talking about is 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.120 a recent segment that Tucker Carlson did. Tucker Carlson, you know, 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.040 one of the very important things that Kevin McCarthy has 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.560 decided to do as the puppet of the House and 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:31.880 the Fisher Price speaker is rolled back a regular a 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:38.200 policy that disallowed smoking in the US Capitol building. Right, So, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.000 now that the Republicans are back in control, smoking can happen. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.000 And this is the only place in the entirety of Washington, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:51.480 DC where you can now smoke indoors. Right. Tucker Carlson 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.880 does a segment Jonathan where he's like, what's so wrong 0:16:54.960 --> 0:17:00.040 with tobacco? Right? Who said tobacco causes any problems? This 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.240 is the same man that has spent the last three 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.800 years telling his entire audience not to get vaccinated and 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.960 not to believe in a global health pandemic and to 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.919 you know, not to believe that over a million Americans 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.000 have died and continue to die from COVID nineteen. Now 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.040 he's telling his audience that he brought on some crack 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.520 politician who had a pocket fill of cigars to say 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.560 there's nothing wrong with smoking, and that's the American way, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.960 and tobacco is what America was built on. It was 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.040 built on slavery because the only way to get the 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.080 tobacco was to have enslave people picking it. But I digress. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.639 What the hell is happening here? Like as Tucker Carlson 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.680 and the far right just held bent on killing their constituents, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.479 and how does that look as a long term winning 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:53.600 strategy when your constituents start dropping dead of either COVID 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.960 because of because they refused to get vaccine vaccinated, or cancer. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.600 I'm not surprised by this at all, to be honest, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.160 for two reasons. First, I live in Nashville, and you've 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.120 been able to smoke in restaurants and bars up until 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:09.840 I think last year and view before. But it was 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.720 this thing about the government's not going to tell me 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.680 what to do. And the second part link to that 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.800 is public health is seen as the enemy because it's 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.840 government funded research, saucy kind of stuff telling people what 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.160 to do, telling people they can't just ride in their 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.359 car without having a seatbelt on, or enjoy their freedom 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.359 to smoke of course, the arguments are not great for 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.840 the other people who are driving down the road with 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.520 you or are in this restaurant inhaling your second hand smoke. 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.439 But the idea that any there's any fringement on my liberty, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.760 which is kind of the whole idea of public health, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.439 is like, we're going to make a decision as a 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:53.280 community to do practices that may or may not work 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.960 in an individual level, but an aggregate level, they are 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.840 there for the betterment of human human health. And so 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.960 I'm not surprised that any public health dictim any public 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:09.840 health injunction is up for debate. I think I told you. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.000 I just think like smoking, of all things, Jonathan, we've 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:22.639 known for decades that smoking leads to emphysema, cancer, heart attacks, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.320 heart disease, all of the I mean, we've had the 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.280 Surgeon General's warning and people have raised the cost of 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:34.640 cigarettes to prevent death that we know happened. So I'm 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:39.199 just like, do they is owning the Libs to the 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.720 extent that literally they're willing to die of whiteness and stupidity. Well, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.040 I mean, the other thing about tobacco, of course, is 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:47.840 we know is that there's a lot of corporate money 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.040 behind it. So I don't think. I don't think anybody 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.399 who's coming out and seeing those statements right now is 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.119 just doing it because they they're going home to smoke 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.000 a pack of Marlboroughs and they want to freedom. I mean, 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.880 I'm sure that this is not an accident. Right. So 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.120 the things we see people rejecting public health about are 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.440 things that have very strong corporate backing, like guns. You know, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.960 guns are not great for people's health, but there's a 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.960 lot of money in standing up for gun rights. And 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.959 certainly historically we know from cigarettes that even the doctors 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:22.520 who were supporting smoking rights were being funded by tobacco. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.800 I have no idea of Tucker Carlson is, but nothing 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:28.040 would surprise me at this point. There are constraints now 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.960 on advertising hard alcohol, for example, but that's another example 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:36.440 where there's a corporate there's a corporate interest behind overturning 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:38.600 public health. It's not just an ideology. But then when 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.560 it filters down just telling people, oh, this is the 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.520 American way and liberty infringement and you have your rights 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.879 as an uninfringed person. So in a way, the trick 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.439 of all this is getting individual people to do the 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.720 bidding of these corporate interests in a way that shortens 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.440 the individual lifespans but is good for the bottom line 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:03.320 of corporations. And and and I think, you know, we're 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.800 stuck on the liberal side again with the moral argument, like, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.800 look how many live seatbelts have saved. You know, car 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.040 companies didn't want to have anti lock breaks. People didn't 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.240 believe there was such thing as secondhand smoke twenty five 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.320 years ago. And so look at all the lives that 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.480 have been saved by this kind of corporate accountability. But 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.359 if you have a you have, if you have a party, 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.280 who is it's the opposite of corporate accuntability corporate accountability. 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.000 You're just going to see a lot more things like 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.359 this where communal decisions that have been very hard fought 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:41.359 are going to be at risk. The reality to me 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.199 is like I'm like, go ahead and smoke, Go ahead, 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.720 Tucker Carlson and your entire audiences. I actually don't give 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.479 a damn because I'm cynical and I really I'm not 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.359 looking to make the argument as to why you should 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.120 care about your own health and the health of those 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.199 around you. This is just going to be to me, 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:58.960 why you need to make sure that the people that 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.520 you were electing governors and your local officials that have 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.320 this say so over restaurants and the say so over 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:11.199 communal and public accommodations are people with sense, right, that 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.520 actually believe in real science and not crackpop bullshit that 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.800 they I mean, because to me, I'm like, they want 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.840 to kill their constituents as a way to own the 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:25.640 lips I see. Other than the corporate backing that they 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.040 are getting, I just don't see this as a long term, 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:34.119 sustainable winning thing for Republicans. Let's bring back all of 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.320 the things that cause disease and illness. Yeah, but I mean, 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.280 as I was saying before, likes it's tied to power, 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.920 and it's worked across the South again, you really could. 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:49.280 There's a hamburger and vegetarian hamburger restaurant on my street 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.960 that I never go to because they allow smoking in 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:57.399 the restaurant, and and I just think, like, man, sometimes 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.719 they get home late, I'm starving, but I'm not going 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:01.520 in there because I don't want to eat a hamburger 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:07.720 inhale a bunch of secondhand smoke. And and so in 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.440 a way, the things you're saying have already been in place, 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.640 a lot of them across the South for the most part. 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.800 And it's not like the South. I mean, people don't 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.680 like it in the South. But because this is such 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:22.320 a way of consolidating power, I just don't think we 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.320 can bury our heads in the sand anymore. I'm not 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.439 saying you're doing that or I'm doing that, but I 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.720 would say, like guns is a perfect example here where 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:30.560 everybody was like, well, we're fine if they want to 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.600 do all those guns and those red states, because we 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:38.520 have strong laws in New York or Boston or Connecticut 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.400 or LA. But it turned out that what people were 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:45.840 doing was consolidating power in the South, creating a reliable, 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:50.600 foolproof voting block that then they took power in the South, 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.200 and then they took over the Supreme Court, and now 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.119 the shitty gun laws from the South are going to 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.439 be imposed across the entire country thanks to controlling the 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.879 Supreme Court. So I think it makes it emotional sense 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.560 to say this stuff's happening down there. But this is 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:07.280 a powerplay using the judiciary like everything else is. And 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.080 so I think people really should pay attention because it's 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.280 coming to you. And next that's the lesson of guns. 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:16.240 If you don't have a strategy for recognizing what's happening, 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.960 it's coming to you. Last question for you, Jonathan, and 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.840 I want to go back to the political violence. You know, 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:27.159 a couple of months prior to Solomon Pennia was the 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:34.200 attack on Nancy Pelosi and Paul Pelosi. Prior to that, 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:40.639 it was the insurrection, and I'm certain different political things 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.360 that did not make major news that happened in between. 0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:49.440 This is becoming a pattern right where we are becoming 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:53.560 a place that is unsafe. We're now running for public office, 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:59.239 having a public voice is becoming increasingly dangerous. Do you 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:05.600 see a way of this stopping before someone gets killed? 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.480 Look what happened to Paul. Look at the response to 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.919 the Paul policy attack. Do you I mean what you 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.480 need now is people coming together in the middle and 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.200 saying this is unacceptable. That's that's where this stops. When 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.680 people don't think about party, they say this is this 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:24.560 is not who we are as a country. A democracy 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:28.120