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Speaker 1: You were tuned about Drive on your twenty four to

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Speaker 2: Hour number two of the Drive here on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network was Shooler and Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson our final hour for the next couple of days,

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Speaker 2: as we'll both have the day off tomorrow. I'll be

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Speaker 2: traveling to Charlotte. Matt will be traveling to Lexington, Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What they call that isn't that like the uh like

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Speaker 2: the horse capital. It's a capital of a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: Bourbon Bourbon's, Bourbon's bag horses are big as well too.

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Speaker 3: And oh yeah, you know, maybe I haven't been there once.

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Speaker 3: I took him down for orientation.

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Speaker 2: Prientation, so yeah, and I'm not gonna be there long.

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Speaker 3: I'm basically dropping him in his dorm, dumping everything and

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Speaker 3: turning around. Love your body, right, This guy a lot

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Speaker 3: of driving. But yeah, it's pretty awesome. And the Williamsons

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Speaker 3: have a nice Bourbon history going back to my father

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Speaker 3: passed it down to me. And I think I think

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Speaker 3: the young Williamson boy has a chance to follow in

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Speaker 3: the footsteps. And I think I've told you this, but

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Speaker 3: Jim Beam has a distillery on campus and you can

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Speaker 3: take classes. And I told him, I'm like, you're out

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Speaker 3: of the will if you don't take classes, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, what are you talking about, dude. I

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Speaker 3: but it's a beautiful spot. I can't wait. I'm psyched

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Speaker 3: for him.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's it's really cool. The bourbon history, the

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Speaker 2: horse racing history and all. By the way, arguably the

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Speaker 2: most successful college basketball program in the history right country.

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Speaker 2: Like they're on the short list with UCLA and Kansas

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Speaker 2: and you know, Duke in Carolina.

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Speaker 3: I think he said Texas and Bama are both coming

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Speaker 3: for football.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he'll get some amazing you know how many first

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Speaker 2: round draft picks we'll get the watch in his four

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Speaker 2: years that come there, between Bama and Georgia and Florida

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Speaker 2: and LSU and Texas and Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: And a good family friend programs not.

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Speaker 2: Tear believe, no great, but.

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Speaker 3: He knows they're not going to win national championships there,

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Speaker 3: but they might even basketball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might have a couple of seasons in football

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Speaker 2: where they're ranked and you know, maybe they knock off

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Speaker 2: Alabama or Georgia at home or something. One of those years.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely an amazing weekend.

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Speaker 3: Have another a quarterback that goes to the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: first round. I mean there's the first round corner for

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Speaker 3: the Gills right now. Maxwell. Ye, last note. We can

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Speaker 3: talk about football he in a minute. But like one

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Speaker 3: of our a good family friend is also going to

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Speaker 3: be a freshman this year at univer At Georgia. He's

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Speaker 3: a They live in Atlanta and he already has reservations.

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Speaker 3: Kentucky's playing the Bulldogs in Athens. In Athens, he's flying down,

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Speaker 3: They're picking them up and going to that game. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: don't wear your Kentucky stuff. You're gonna lose by fifty,

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Speaker 3: but just go have fun. He's like, I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one thing and again we will get back

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Speaker 2: to this in a second, but one.

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Speaker 3: Thing is jealous. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, WV moved from the Big East to the

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Speaker 2: Big Twelve while I was in school. Okay, and so

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Speaker 2: like my first two years in college, we would go

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Speaker 2: to one or two road games a year. Sure, pitt

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Speaker 2: somewhere that was within a three, four or five hour drive.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know this about me, Like, I

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Speaker 2: am not a bourbon guy. I'm beer wine, tequila, yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean when I was there, I went to this

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Speaker 3: Yeah Bourbon trail, Oh yeah, maybe the Derby And actually

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Speaker 3: last note is my son, I didn't realize this either.

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Speaker 3: The airport is only like twenty minutes from campus at Lexington,

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Speaker 3: so he's already and that's awesome. Like there's flights home

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Speaker 3: for like fifty bucks spirit.

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Speaker 2: The random spirit fly like a Thursday night of.

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Speaker 3: The second Home or whatever, right, right, right, that's great.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, that's exciting.

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Speaker 3: That's tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It really is well to transition this into our top

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Speaker 2: twenty five players twenty five and under, a lot of

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Speaker 3: From eighteen year olds to twenty five and unders right from.

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Speaker 2: The college campus to the athletic power rankings here. This

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is kind of like Sando's teams tiers.

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Speaker 2: Are you know Jeremy Fowler every off season those time

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Speaker 2: tens at each position where he pulls like fifty different

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Speaker 2: coaches and scouts and executives.

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Speaker 3: One writer's opinion.

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Speaker 2: This is not one writer's opinion, or this isn't some

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Speaker 2: you know, Twitter, website poll or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Here's Williamson's top twenty five. You know, this is a

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Speaker 3: bunch of people in the know, which voting, which.

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Speaker 2: We still love those type of lists too, but I

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Speaker 2: want to talk through it an additional kind of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: grain assault to him, number one, no surprise to me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really think he and Justin Jefferson not only

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Speaker 3: like right now, and I know we're not talking about Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: Jefferson averages more receiving yards per game than anyone in history,

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Speaker 2: And he's never had a throw him the full either, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, and some of the Chase numbers. I was actually

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Speaker 2: Averaged a hundred yards and a touchdown over seventeen games

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Speaker 2: that's seventeen hundred yards and seventeen touchdowns. Like that's insane.

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Speaker 3: That's insane. And you and I haven't talked a lot

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Speaker 3: of fantasy that stuff. We'll be coming down the road though, folks.

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Speaker 2: Next week, I feel like we'll do yeah, fantasy stuff.

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Speaker 3: Because we also have these those two weeks between games

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Speaker 3: and people's fool drafts. Yeah, but he's the consensus first

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Speaker 2: Saylors yelled at some of my buddies. So we did.

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Speaker 2: I think I told you this one of the leagues

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Speaker 3: Johnsy that we were talking about, same league.

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Speaker 2: And normally we don't do our draft till Labor Day weekend,

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Speaker 2: as God intended to give you the most injury and

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Speaker 2: and current updates. But this was the twentieth year anniversary

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Speaker 2: in person, and this was like the only time we

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Speaker 3: Weekend type thing, people coming in from all over and.

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, Jamar Chase went third overall in our least

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's insane, but I was like, guys,

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Speaker 3: come on, right, guys won the Triple Crown.

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Speaker 2: Come on, guys, what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: And they throw like crazy and Burrow's gonna throw forty

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Speaker 2: And I know, like you need running backs to win

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Speaker 3: Tier one running applying the man situation there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also feel like, man, he's.

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Speaker 3: He's a sure bet.

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Speaker 2: He's a he's a very sure bet. Number two on

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Speaker 2: this list Jalen Carter Wow, defensive lineman of the world

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Speaker 3: I won't dispute that one bit. I'm a little I'm

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Speaker 3: that might shock people though. I mean that he's that high.

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Speaker 2: Some times you mail me those this is really good.

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Speaker 3: And Dale would give me a hard time a lot too.

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Speaker 3: am a little surprised by Carter, but should be. I mean,

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Speaker 3: to me, that shows that the people that are voting

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Speaker 3: And I know that he's from a prominent team, but

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Speaker 3: he's a superstar. He's the next Chris Jones, Aaron Donald

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think when you just like, okay,

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, so, but but I always don't know who's

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Speaker 2: Number three is Jaden Daniels, totally get.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a top six quarterback and I.

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Speaker 2: Think so too. And I think I'm sure you've probably

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Speaker 2: But one thing that Motes likes to say often is like,

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Speaker 2: you know, to be a top ten quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I'll be shocked if he takes a big step backwards.

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Speaker 3: Would have been my vote the day he got hurt.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four years old.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and their defense was so real with injuries last

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Speaker 2: Number five perhaps the finest tight end season we've ever

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Speaker 3: Oh brock Bowers. Okay, again, I want to see it

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Speaker 3: I would think they're gonna give him the football a ton.

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Speaker 3: He's clearly the first tight end drafted in fantasy as well,

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Speaker 3: and pretty darn high.

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Speaker 2: Yes, without a doubt. Number six, as I mentioned, Pat

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I think kind of my biggest takeaway of

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Speaker 3: I was thinking the same things just the little I

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Speaker 2: Pretty good shape. Number seven pen A soul Man. It's

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Speaker 2: crazy that him and Hutchinson are both still twenty five

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Speaker 3: Lane Johnson's the only right tackle I would put ahead

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Speaker 3: And they're both happy and if you remember, that was

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Speaker 2: It's a great point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were dynamite.

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Speaker 2: Just you know what's funny is I don't even remember

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Speaker 2: was like, man, was I wrong? He was like, I

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Speaker 2: was pounding the table for them to take Pena Soul

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Speaker 2: and not Jamar Chase, And man, was I an idiot?

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Speaker 2: I was like Kinger, I don't know if you were

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Speaker 3: No, I would always take the tackle over the.

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Speaker 2: Receiver, right like it worked out five.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's happy. Yeah, but I don't think.

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Speaker 2: That makes you an idiot.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Pay soul number seven, number eight and could certainly move

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Speaker 2: Another quarterback, CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud, Yeah, and I bet he was hired a year ago,

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Speaker 3: and I kind of worry about that. With Daniels, I

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Speaker 3: just said, I don't think he's going to go backwards,

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Speaker 3: but it is hard to do it two years in

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Speaker 3: focusing on how to shut you down. And there were

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Speaker 3: some mo line injuries et cetera too, But I have

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Speaker 3: no concerns about Stroud.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, And I think, in fact, like I think

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Speaker 2: when you and I went over Sando's quarterback tiers. He

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Speaker 2: was tied from ninth with Jalen Hurts, Like ninth tenth.

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Speaker 2: Does that sound I bet he's hiring now. I was

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Speaker 2: just going to say, I bet he's hired next year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I bet he's closer to the top five than he

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Speaker 2: is to ten next year. Are number nine on this

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Speaker 2: list of the AFC North Kyle Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got no problem with that too. I think

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Speaker 3: he's probably the best safety in the league right now and.

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Speaker 2: Really showed that down the back half of last year.

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Speaker 3: He put there was there was some flooding going on

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Speaker 2: Number ten. Another the third lion in the top ten,

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Speaker 2: oh Aman Ross Saint Brown.

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Speaker 3: Wow, he's still under twenty five too. He is quite

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Speaker 3: the resume, and I think he came out I didn't

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Speaker 3: think he was super young when he came out of USC.

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Speaker 3: I mean, guy's caught a million balls already.

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Speaker 2: And you know what's funny is I feel like we're

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Speaker 2: these guys are twenty two to twenty three already coming

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Speaker 2: like the Jamar Chases and Aman Ross Saint Brown's of

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Speaker 3: When they were drafted. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Number eleven b Jean Robinson. He's another guy that feels

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't shock me if he's a consensus best

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Speaker 3: running back in the league this time next year. I

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Speaker 2: I think I think you're spot on in that. Number twelve,

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Speaker 2: another Houston Texan, Derek Stingley junior.

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Speaker 3: Wow. After a very good year last I think he's

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Speaker 3: the second best corner in the league behind Stain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well there's another young corner still in there.

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Speaker 2: He sure is, he sure is, And I do want

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Speaker 2: to talk with you. Actually, there's a couple other corners

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's still under twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, they have really like drafted and developed some

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Speaker 2: corners in Kansas secondary. And my goodness, Number fourteen, the

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Speaker 2: fourth Detroit Lion in the top fourteen, Jamior Gibbs. Another Wow.

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Speaker 2: Outstanding young running.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he really is. He's a game changer. Is Brian

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Speaker 2: Brian Branch is not on the list.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I assume he's still under twenty five too. I

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Speaker 3: just thinking of of, you know, Lions. I'm like, they're

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Speaker 2: I bet Brian Branch is twenty three still Wow?

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Speaker 3: Good lord wow, I mean he should be in considerations,

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I was like, really, I mean

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Speaker 2: cover the team, I don't support the team, but like

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Speaker 2: I thought, the Lions could be in line to take

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Speaker 3: They do for a Yeah, it's worse.

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Speaker 2: They still seem like they're in a pretty solid spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, get that. Many young young towns. We have mentioned Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yet duds number fifteen super Bowl champion as a rookie,

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Speaker 2: Top fifteen on this list, pretty good place to be.

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Speaker 2: Quinnon Mitchell a guy that talked a lot about that combine. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: sixteen months ago, I think the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Really liked him. I remember the Senior Bowl. Tomlin was like,

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Speaker 3: I want to see Roman Wilson against Mitchell, you know,

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Speaker 2: Sixteen. Another wide receiver. A couple of wide receivers coming

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Speaker 3: I'm fine with them too. I think Neighbors has a

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Speaker 3: the wide receiver pecking order period. I don't care of Age.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that number nineteen you mentioned him.

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Speaker 2: Sauce Garner checks in okay on the list here, Where

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Behind Stingley for me, behind uh Shirtan for sure.

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Speaker 3: Now this one will come up with Jets week a lot.

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Speaker 3: The Lions in their defensive coordinator now head coach of

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Speaker 3: They were a left right team. DJ Reid was the

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Speaker 2: First, no no doubt, and he was great his first season.

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Speaker 3: He's super talented. Yeah, you'd love to have him.

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Speaker 2: Another wide receiver here in the top twenty Brian tom

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Speaker 2: Junior at twenty.

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Speaker 3: He had a monster season two. Yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 2: Man something that's something in the water and Baton rouge

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Speaker 2: with those wider seats. It's nut, it's not insane. Twenty

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Speaker 3: He's my dark horse pick. I might pick him for

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Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you could take that because I think

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Speaker 3: Apparently he's added like ten or fifteen pounds of muscle.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that edge rushing duo with him

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Speaker 3: might be my other vote, you know. And if you're

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Speaker 3: to fifteen sacks and emerg and he could win that,

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Speaker 3: he could win that award.

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Speaker 2: No, you absolutely could. That's a that's a very good point.

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Speaker 3: Big time leader too.

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Speaker 2: Another outstanding rookie or coming off of an outstanding rookie

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Speaker 3: He is a full grown man, is my goodness? Is

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Speaker 3: he You watch him play? He just goes through people.

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Speaker 2: He is fun to watch. And they've got a couple

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Speaker 2: again to give to give some credit where credits due

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Speaker 2: for them going like a decade without any any high

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Speaker 2: And I realized Verse was, you know, he wasn't a

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Speaker 3: Aaron Donald to transcend him player, and their defensive line

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Speaker 2: Crazy twenty three, and he's gonna get bumped off this

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Speaker 3: and neck, Yeah, I think they're both in contention for second.

439
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,639
Speaker 2: I don't think that. Yeah, some some major and and

440
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,320
Speaker 2: to be fair, kind of the whole like Crown and

441
00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,200
Speaker 2: a guy off a one year thing, you know, or

442
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,400
Speaker 2: Baum's been doing it just.

443
00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,159
Speaker 3: A touch and they were like the best offense in

444
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 3: the league last year too, I mean, you know, so,

445
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,280
Speaker 3: I mean there's I got no problem with it. They're

446
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,480
Speaker 3: both to me easily top five centers.

447
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 2: And Creed Humphrey just turned twenty six in June, so

448
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 2: he is no longer eligible for this list. Twenty four

449
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith, guard of Cowboys. I can't believe he's still

450
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,479
Speaker 2: twenty five and under. Yeah, he feels like he's been

451
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 2: in the league forever.

452
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 3: He's a great player too, but people probably don't realize

453
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Speaker 3: how good a player he is. He's one of the

454
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 3: top two or three guards in the league.

455
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Speaker 2: And then rounding out the list, a guy that you

456
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Speaker 2: still believe in, You've told us you catch some flak

457
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 2: from your friends for this. Trevor Lawrence, number twenty five

458
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,720
Speaker 2: on the twenty five Players twenty five and under.

459
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Speaker 3: Okay, he's one that I very much believe in, but

460
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's for this list. I don't think

461
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 3: he belongs. I mean, I don't think he's a good

462
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 3: enough football player today to go over Zach Frasier, you

463
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Or I'm sure I could come

464
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 3: or Brian branch or some other names are thrown out

465
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 3: there that are really good at what they do. Just

466
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Speaker 3: because he's a quarterback doesn't mean he should get a.

467
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: Not interesting list there, Matt Williamson, And that was fun

468
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 2: to kind of get your thoughts on those guys. But again,

469
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,920
Speaker 2: my just kind of overarching thing is, well, hey, hopefully

470
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,440
Speaker 2: one some guys like Zach Fraser car Troy Foutanu will

471
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Speaker 2: start finding themselves on this list and just two man.

472
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Speaker 3: Like this is Porters Show under twenty five order.

473
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Speaker 2: I believe so as well too.

474
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Speaker 3: Yep, they have some candidates, but boy, that's a good list.

475
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Speaker 2: I was just like, that's a that's a strong list.

476
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Speaker 2: Man of the NFL, I think is in a I

477
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: mean it has been for a while, but the NFL

478
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: is in a healthy place.

479
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sitting here looking over your shoulder. I mean,

480
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 3: if Smith at twenty four and Linderbaum at twenty three,

481
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 3: they're both top three players at their position, and those

482
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 3: guys almost didn't make the list. If we did a

483
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Speaker 3: top twenty, they'd be off.

484
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Speaker 2: You know, Like most of the best corners in the

485
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: league are on this list. Reigning Defensive Player of the

486
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Speaker 2: Year is sixth.

487
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Speaker 3: On the list.

488
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Speaker 4: Right.

489
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 2: Jean Robinson, who might be the best running back in

490
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Speaker 2: the NFL this year, number two, maybe behind Saquan is

491
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Speaker 2: eleventh on.

492
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Speaker 3: In fact, the penn A Sool is what seven seven?

493
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a monster impressive.

494
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: Brock Bauers five after just having the best rookie tight

495
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: end season since Mike Dick got.

496
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,719
Speaker 3: Like, if I could take any any offensive lineman right

497
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 3: now to build a team around going forward, it would

498
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Speaker 3: be penn A Soool And he's seventh in the list.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick, before we go non quarterbacks, So you

500
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 2: can't say Jade and Daniels or C. J. Stroud or yeah, yeah,

501
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: it's non quarterback. You could have any of these guys

502
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Speaker 2: to to blank Like I'm not saying to add to

503
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Speaker 2: the Steelers. I'm talking blank slate of a roster. You

504
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: can have any one of these guys.

505
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 3: Well, then you gotta started thinking positional value. Seel would

506
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: be hard to pass up because tackles are just so

507
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: hard to find. It would probably be him.

508
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Speaker 2: I think if I knew Aiden Hutchinson was completing.

509
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 3: So next conversation.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's hard to pass up on the only

511
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: tackle on this list.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean the guy like Alt could be

513
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Speaker 3: on that list a year from now.

514
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Speaker 2: Good call.

515
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Speaker 3: But I would take Sool. But the ed rushures are

516
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: also attractive.

517
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot of a lot of attractive names on

518
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Speaker 2: this list. We mentioned mar Chase, good one one to

519
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: start a blank, blank roster. Put pretty good first name

520
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: to put on that piece of paper on that depth chart.

521
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Speaker 3: If you put any of them on the Steelers, I

522
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Speaker 3: might take Jamar Chase. Yeah, I mean quarterbacks aren't allowed,

523
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: but yeah, anyone to add to the Steelers. He wouldn't

524
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Speaker 3: be a bad joe.

525
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: It would be a bad choice Jalen Carter would be

526
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: a lot of fun in the middle of that. Yeah too, though,

527
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 2: I tell you we got to get to a break.

528
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: We're way over due, uh, Matt. Yesterday we talked about

529
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Speaker 2: five most improved teams in the NFL. Yeah, you want

530
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Speaker 2: to want to talk about the other side of that equation?

531
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Speaker 2: Most I got to.

532
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Speaker 3: Pay them for my word document. Haven't looked at them.

533
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 2: If it's five most improved, it's five five going backwards,

535
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Speaker 2: five worst teams in the NFL this year. Let's talk

536
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Speaker 2: about that a little bit on the other side as

537
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Speaker 2: we roll along, Well Shooler. Matt Williamson is the Drive

538
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Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

539
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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

540
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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio.

541
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Speaker 2: Decline, Matt, that's the word that I was looking for.

542
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Speaker 2: If five teams improve, who are the five that that decline?

543
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Speaker 2: If only I, you know, like, spoke for a living

544
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: and was supposed to know words and linguistics and have

545
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: a good way of painting a picture. Yesterday, if you

546
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Speaker 2: are a loyal Drive listener, you will remember Matt and

547
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: I talked about the five teams in the NFL most

548
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: likely to improve, according to Bill Barnwell of ESPN, one

549
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Speaker 2: of those guys that we respect when they kind of

550
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: put lists and things like this together.

551
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Speaker 3: Matt He cites some mannalytics, things like one score games

552
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 3: and things like that that aren't going to go your

553
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: way and that type of thing.

554
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: Right, And the first team on this list, I'm glad

555
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Speaker 2: you said that, because the first because the remarkable Hye Popper.

556
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Speaker 2: Because they've been to five straight AFC Championship games, six

557
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: straight AFC Championship games, five of the last six Super Bowls. No, yeah,

558
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Speaker 2: five of the last six.

559
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Speaker 3: For four of the last Bengals were in there at

560
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Speaker 3: one point.

561
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: No, because they've won three and lost to Yeah.

562
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's insane. Yeah. Mahomes worst year is losing the

563
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Speaker 3: AFC champing.

564
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: Mahlmes worst year is his second season, losing the AFC

565
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Speaker 2: Championship game. Yea, his first year. They have nowhere to

566
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Speaker 2: go but down exactly if they're not if they're not

567
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Speaker 2: winning the Super Bowl, it's at least plateauing or getting worse.

568
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Speaker 3: If they don't go, it's definitely a down strike. But

569
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Speaker 3: it is only a final four team.

570
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Speaker 2: The Kansas City Chiefs most like first team listed is

571
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Speaker 2: that not most likely, but this because this is alphabetical order,

572
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Speaker 2: but the first team listed here is likely to decline.

573
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Speaker 2: And his biggest point of the reasoning is kind of

574
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Speaker 2: what you touched on well said by you a minute ago.

575
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Speaker 3: I knew that's where we go.

576
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Speaker 2: They were ten and zero in one score games last year.

577
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, so Dale and I've talked about this a

578
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: lot because very steel irrelevant. So the one score game

579
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: thing is very true. When you generically look at the league,

580
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Speaker 3: you know.

581
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Speaker 2: They want something analytically to really put stock into. This

582
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 2: is one of them.

583
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Speaker 3: Chances are the teams that are at the extreme of

584
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: losing or winning one score games are likely to go

585
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Speaker 3: to the median or it doesn't mean they're gonna go

586
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Speaker 3: ten and oh if you're ower and ten, but chances

587
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Speaker 3: are it's not going to keep up. However, there are

588
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Speaker 3: a handful of teams, coaches, quarterbacks that consistently win one

589
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Speaker 3: score game.

590
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: Brady and Belichick were one of those duos.

591
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Speaker 3: Tomlin's won every year the score and one.

592
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Speaker 2: His record in one score games is one of the

593
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Speaker 2: best in league history.

594
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Speaker 3: It might be one or two. I think it's him

595
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Speaker 3: in Belichian League, and Reed is now heels. His Eagles

596
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: days weren't as good, but his home days are wonderful.

597
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Speaker 3: I doubt they'll be ten and oh, I doubt they'll

598
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Speaker 3: be undefeated in one score games, don't get me wrong,

599
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Speaker 3: but I bet they have a winning record. It's just

600
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Speaker 3: one of those things, like the Chiefs are really good

601
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Speaker 3: at it, and having a phenomenal transcending coach quarterback combination helps.

602
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: Of course, that's a big of course, right, I mean.

603
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Speaker 3: A great defensive coordinator that knows how to put teams

604
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Speaker 3: away and things like that too, So it's a worthwhile

605
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Speaker 3: stat But there are Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll were

606
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Speaker 3: great at it, you know, like usually if Ben and

607
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: Tomlin were great.

608
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Speaker 2: At it, sure, sure, you know, I bet you Sean

609
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Speaker 2: Payton and Drew Brees are.

610
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Speaker 3: Probably bring you know.

611
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So the Chiefs were fifteen and two last year,

612
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Speaker 2: ten of those one score games, ten and zero in

613
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Speaker 2: those games. That's one of the reasons that you know,

614
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Speaker 2: even if they go seven and three or sixty four

615
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Speaker 2: and kind of sighting their projected strength of schedules six

616
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Speaker 2: toughest in the NFL because of how you know how

617
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Speaker 2: good that division is. Broncos were a playoff team and

618
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Speaker 2: last year should be better. Chargers should be better, Raiders,

619
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be a doormat anymore, should be.

620
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Speaker 3: First play schedule.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so again it makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I think they'd make my list too. Con don't think

623
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Speaker 3: there'll be fifteen to two.

624
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Speaker 2: So if they go, if they go thirteen and you know,

625
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: four or twelve and five, that's technical still right decline.

626
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, so within the context of it, I understand

627
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: what he's saying, and there's.

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Speaker 3: Some questions around him. I don't know if they're even

629
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: the best team in the league. So yeah, I got

630
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: no problem with that.

631
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, they are just I mean, Kelsey's getting a

632
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: little bit older. Yeah, yeah, Jones is getting a little

633
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: bit older.

634
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: The offense has not been explosive. You know a lot

635
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: of O line changes, which could be for the better.

636
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 2: Second team on this list, another team that had an

637
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: outstanding record last year fourteen and three and were eight

638
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: in one in one score games.

639
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt, one like it that one's likely to go

640
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: back to the meeting.

641
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: I mean I think so, I really, especially with a

642
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: red shirt rookie at quarterback.

643
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say I think O'Connell's a really, really good coach,

644
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: and if we were drafting coaches, I draft them high.

645
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: But the quarterback situation doesn't lend itself to being ninety

646
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Speaker 3: percent winner in the top.

647
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Speaker 2: Score game off schedule, tough division. Yeah, two overseas games.

648
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Yeah, they're just staying.

649
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 2: There for it, right, and they don't have Jordan Adison

650
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: for the first three games.

651
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they improve both lines of scrimmage, which I appreciate,

652
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: and I think Flores is as good as defensive data

653
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Speaker 3: out there.

654
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: They got a great staff.

655
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: They do, they do. It's a good environment. But that's

656
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: a tough division too, I.

657
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: Mean, maybe the best in the league.

658
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Speaker 3: They when we at some point between now in the

659
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Speaker 3: opening day, we'll go through every team's over under win

660
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Speaker 3: totals and we'll pick an over and an under.

661
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Speaker 2: I got a bunch of those for the Steelers to like,

662
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Speaker 2: individual players.

663
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Speaker 3: Want to be with you or whatever you know during

664
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Speaker 3: that downstretch. But one thing I always look at whenever

665
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: you'll be talking about over unders is what do you

666
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: think their division record will be? And I mean it's

667
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: a good place to.

668
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: Start, like three and three Minnesota in the division. Job well, done.

669
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Speaker 3: Right, I'm say I might take three and three for that.

670
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: As many games as you lost last year.

671
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: Exactly what I'm saying. Exactly I'm saying right, Like, you

672
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Speaker 3: may lose that many in the division and still have

673
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Speaker 3: a success full year and even win the division.

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Speaker 2: It's tough, yeah, real division, especially too. Like if the

675
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Speaker 2: Bears just get a smidge, if they do the Raiders

676
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Speaker 2: thing and just become not a doormatic.

677
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Speaker 3: Right, if the Bears win two in the division, that's

678
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: a pretty good year for them.

679
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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, number three on this list one of the

680
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Speaker 2: final four teams from last year. Washington Commanders couldn't agree more.

681
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: Eight and two in one score games last year, seventh

682
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Speaker 2: toughest schedule in the NFL, including the Super Bowl champions.

683
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Speaker 3: In their vision, I think there's a chance Daniels goes

684
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: slightly backwards or it gets figured out a smidge, you know,

685
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Speaker 3: Like I just don't think that progression is always linear

686
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: and progress is always liniar.

687
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Speaker 2: No, I mean I saw that was c J. Stroud.

688
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: He's really very high on this time of year.

689
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Speaker 3: Yes, they're a very old team, and I know that

690
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: the Steelers are two, but they are the they are

691
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: the oldest team in the league despite having one of

692
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Speaker 3: the youngest quarterbacks in the league. Ertz and Eckler and Wagner.

693
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Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, Bobby Wagner. Yeah, even like the.

694
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Speaker 3: Guys they traded for on the back nine, I think

695
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: they out kicked their coverage last year. And frankly, I'm

696
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: not even sure if I'll pick them to go to

697
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, mostly because I think their defense is really bad.

698
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: But he may cite it in there. They were like

699
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: ninety percent success rate on fourth doounds and they went

700
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Speaker 3: for it more than anybody, Like I don't care if

701
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Speaker 3: your mahomes read Brady Bell still in a you're not

702
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Speaker 3: gonna be ninety percent on fourth downds. I mean it

703
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: was in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: I think the command here you go. The Commanders were

705
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Speaker 2: twenty of twenty three on fourth downs eighty seven percent

706
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Speaker 2: conversion clip.

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Speaker 3: It's insane.

708
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Speaker 2: That's fourteen percentage points better than any other team last season.

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Speaker 3: I knew it was like clearly won, but that's way distant.

710
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Speaker 3: It's like the best ever.

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Speaker 2: And ESPN has fourth down data going back to the

712
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Speaker 2: year two thousand, so twenty five years of that. No

713
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Speaker 2: team that has gone for it on fourth down more

714
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Speaker 2: than ten times in a single season, converted more often

715
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Speaker 2: than Washington did last year.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay, and people know this about me. But a

717
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: missed fourth down conversion is a turnover. Yes, I mean

718
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Speaker 3: if they just go back one sixty five percent on

719
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Speaker 3: fourth downs, and some of them probably are fourth in inches,

720
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Speaker 3: but still it doesn't mean guarantee to get it. That's

721
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Speaker 3: really like ten more turnovers, you know.

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Speaker 2: So so far, Matt. The first three teams on this

723
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Speaker 2: list were all playoff teams. Yeah, or to go double

724
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Speaker 2: digit games and almost nowhere to go but down unless

725
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Speaker 2: you're winning the Super Bowl. Our first kind of mid

726
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: middle of the road team from last year that is

727
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: projected to take a step back to decline, the Indianapolis.

728
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Speaker 3: Colts we talked about earlier.

729
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: Makes sense a lot of uncertainty at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. We We actually did a kind of a funny

731
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Speaker 3: podcast last week. It was part of a mail bag.

732
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Speaker 3: Someone asked, you know, everyone's always talking about the best

733
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Speaker 3: team in the league the worst team in the league,

734
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Speaker 3: and they said, please give us your most average team

735
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Speaker 3: in the league, Like who is dead acts, like.

736
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Speaker 2: Back who used to be? Whatever team Jeff Fisher was

737
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: coaching exactly.

738
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Speaker 3: And some of it's kind of a composite score war,

739
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Speaker 3: not like who do you think the sixteenth best team

740
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: is now? But who's always right in that middle, you know,

741
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Speaker 3: consistently Mid and the Cults are my vote, you know.

742
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Speaker 2: Like they never really bought him out, but they haven't.

743
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: They haven't really bottomed out.

744
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: And the roster is not bad, but the quarterbacks held

745
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: them back, and the coaching is not bad.

746
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Speaker 2: They always have a couple of nice pieces that you

747
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: to add to any team you knows much, any team

748
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: would would would take, uh.

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Speaker 3: But Nelson, they draft pretty well to your point earlier,

750
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Speaker 3: though in the first hour. I do think they upgraded

751
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Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator. I mean they used to be cover

752
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: three all day long, you know, legion of boom stuff,

753
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: and they you know they're gonna throw more at you.

754
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Speaker 3: But I think they're especially if Daniel Jones your quarterback

755
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: seven wins Max, you know.

756
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Speaker 2: And and I think Tyler Warren is a great picky,

757
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: have a good year and a good career, But I

758
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Speaker 2: also don't know how much a great title and moves

759
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: the needle for a team that you.

760
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Speaker 3: Know, I know is mid and say they already had

761
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Speaker 3: pass catchers and now they have Okay, another one, but

762
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Speaker 3: does that mean really going to change things that much?

763
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Speaker 2: Last one on this list another team that really doesn't

764
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Speaker 2: have anywhere to go but win a Super Bowl or

765
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Speaker 2: decline after going fifteen and two last season, the Detroit Lions'

766
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 2: second toughest rank schedule in the NFL brutal schedule, and

767
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Speaker 2: they went seven and two in one score games last.

768
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Speaker 3: Year brutal division, brutal schedule. As you mentioned earlier, you

769
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Speaker 3: lose both coordinators and a couple other coaches.

770
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Speaker 2: Two key pieces of your offensive line. Run game is

771
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Speaker 2: such a big part of what they do.

772
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Speaker 3: Nobody was hit harder by defensive injuries, though. You have

773
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Speaker 3: to think, I always hate this this time of year, like, oh,

774
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Speaker 3: we'll definitely be healthier this year. Well, most of you

775
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: probably won't, but chances are the Lions defense will be

776
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: healthier than it was.

777
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Speaker 2: Man, that would be a that'd be something if it wasn't.

778
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Although they have a couple injuries already.

779
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: They do have a couple of injuries already. Again, this

780
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: is another one of those like along the lines of

781
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: Vikings in Chiefs, I don't expect that they're suddenly going

782
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: to win seven games and miss the playoffs.

783
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: No, no, but when you.

784
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: Go fifteen to two and you lose what they lost.

785
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Speaker 3: Like I might pick the Packers to win that division.

786
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: It's all said and done. Yeah, so I'm sitting you're

787
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: thinking super quick. I don't know a ton of time,

788
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: but like, who are the bad teams that could get worse?

789
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to pick on them, but the

790
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: Browns are the first one I come up with. And

791
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: I know they were quite bad last year, but they

792
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: could be worse.

793
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I completely agree, Yeah, completely agree. There, quarterback situation

794
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: will be worse. It has to be, almost it almost

795
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: has to be.

796
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: The offense could be the worst in the league, you know,

797
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 3: and the defense will be on the field forever.

798
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: They're playing a tough division as well, too, Like there's.

799
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Speaker 3: Also a brutal schedule, and I mean.

800
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Speaker 2: We already Saints. Saints would be another one.

801
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Speaker 3: Saints are obvious one too. Yeah, I mean, but there's

802
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: a couple that are are they going to be any better?

803
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. Jets, Jets, I would say yes, I mean,

804
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: they were pretty bad, but they are could be at

805
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: the bottom of the league too. Miami Miami's one that

806
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: could go from like mediocre to the eighth pick in

807
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: the draft. Yeah, that's a good one too.

808
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: And yeah it's those were kind of some of the

809
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: some of the first ones that popped into the.

810
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: Nugget, especially this time of the year when everyone's optimistic,

811
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Speaker 3: you know, like Tennessee's like, we got a quarterback. We're

812
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: not gonna pick first, but we're all you know, we're

813
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: there's some teams like man that things are already going back.

814
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, this is gonna be a long year.

815
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Speaker 2: Might want to put the house on the market sooner

816
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: rather than later. Final segment on the other side will

817
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: wrap up today's show, final thoughts, all those different things

818
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Speaker 2: when we return, Well Shooler Matt Williamson. It is the

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Speaker 2: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network,

820
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Speaker 2: Final segment here of the Drive on this Tuesday. A

825
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Speaker 2: reminder if you missed it if you're just joining us,

826
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Speaker 2: no shows Wednesday or Thursday due to travel in the

827
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Speaker 2: preseason game, but we will be back on Friday to

828
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Speaker 2: break it all down. Matt the Steelers' final preseason game,

829
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Speaker 2: which is happening on a short week here, a little

830
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Speaker 2: short week action for the s in the preseason, certainly an.

831
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Speaker 3: Interesting long break after which.

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Speaker 2: I think you kind of like, and you kind of

833
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Speaker 2: it might almost be too long.

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Speaker 3: Too long, And that's kind of like our first segment conversation. Yeah,

835
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Speaker 3: I can see, but the good and bad in both,

836
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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: But and I did want to obviously hear from the

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Speaker 2: head coach, Mike Tomlin on that topic, because he is

839
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Speaker 2: a I think, a greater authority in that regard, I

840
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Speaker 2: would think than we are. Here's what Mike Tomlin had

841
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: to say about preparing for a preseason game on a

842
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Speaker 2: short week and kind of the different challenges of unique

843
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: scheduling at this point in the calendar. Here's what the

844
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Speaker 2: head ball coach had to say.

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Speaker 5: Man, really productive day. Spent the morning coming through every

846
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 5: night's game tape. It's just a lot to be learned,

847
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 5: not only from a skilled development standpoint, but from a

848
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: strategy perspective, and you know, from a cultural perspective. And

849
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 5: so I just wanted to devote them the morning totally

850
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 5: to that and came out here and got some Carolina

851
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 5: work this afternoon. We were all working on a short week,

852
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 5: and so we just transitioned and quickly moved to Carolina.

853
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 5: A lot of good effort and energy out here today. Uh,

854
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: it's important that we don't waste days in transition. Being

855
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 5: back in this environment, we got a lot of work

856
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 5: to do, and obviously the sands running through the hourglass

857
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Speaker 5: in terms of team development, in terms of guys getting

858
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 5: an opportunity to stay the case for themselves and for

859
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Speaker 5: us just develop the type of cohesion that's necessary to

860
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Speaker 5: get into the season. And so we're working and working

861
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Speaker 5: with urgency. Don't have any plans about who's playing or

862
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Speaker 5: how much they're planning in in in Carolina. I'll talk

863
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Speaker 5: to you guys about that tomorrow. We'll take a look

864
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Speaker 5: at this practice tape and and give a little bit

865
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Speaker 5: more time from an injury perspective to to allow people

866
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Speaker 5: to perk up certainly, Uh, because this is the last opportunity.

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Speaker 5: We wanna give every healthy man an opportunity to take

868
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Speaker 5: to stay the case for themselves, and so we'll leave

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Speaker 5: the door a jar for those that are managing short

870
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Speaker 5: term injury things. I'll pause and open up for questions.

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Speaker 4: N's injury consider more short or long term?

872
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Speaker 5: More short term couple.

873
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Speaker 4: Those guys are Calvin and bets Vernic.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about your deft the receiver right now?

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Speaker 5: That you might need to add there, I'm comfortable with it. Uh,

876
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 5: Certainly things get a little tight this time of year.

877
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 5: Lines get short and usually in one area. You know,

878
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 5: positionally they're strength and safety in numbers and so as

879
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 5: you mentioned, that's a group that's running a little light.

880
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 5: But that's just a component of this time of year.

881
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: Where do you see this team's confidence right now? The

882
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: cohesiveless the field.

883
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 5: I don't know that I'm looking to measure that. To

884
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 5: be quite honest with you, you can develop false confidence in August.

885
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 5: You know, those things become real obviously in September.

886
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: My being he said earlier today. The obviously there are

887
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: a couple of guys in front of 'em, the one

888
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: here last year. But what have you seen from him

889
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: this game? What kind of role could he have with

890
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: this team?

891
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 5: You know, I don't worry about the Joneses, and neither

892
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 5: should he. He should focus on improving and he has

893
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 5: done that. Uh. The growth between year one and year

894
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 5: two is reasonable to expect UH individuals to grow not

895
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 5: only in terms of knowledge, but UH skill relative to

896
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 5: their positions. And I like the trajectory of his of

897
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 5: his progress in those areas.

898
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: What do you want to see out of?

899
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: What do you wanna see out of?

900
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: Kleb on Thursday, Caleb tim, I just wanna continue to

901
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: see him get get more comfortable in this environment. I

902
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 5: think the more comfortable he gets, the less fuel he

903
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 5: burns in anticipation, if you will, the more his talents

904
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 5: are gonna show. I think he saw it from game

905
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 5: one to game two. Is reasonable to expect that to continue.

906
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 5: He challenged him a little bit last week for the

907
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 5: game on Saturday.

908
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: Is that something you UH are kind of learning as well?

909
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: How to manage these or kids and the kind of

910
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 4: what makes them tech.

911
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 5: Certainly, it's a bunch of individual relationships within this big,

912
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 5: big organization, if you will. And you know that started

913
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 5: for me way back in and draft prep. To be

914
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: quite honest with you, it's not only getting to know

915
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 5: the players and their skill set, but just their relationship

916
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: with the game, UH, how they best received coaching, how

917
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 5: they respond to challenges, et cetera. It's a major component

918
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 5: of the get to know.

919
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: For me, it the change that has been made to

920
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 4: the touch back on kickoff. Small sample in the preseason

921
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 4: so far, But how does that change strategy for you?

922
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: And do you think you'll out the intended effect when

923
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: we get.

924
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: To the season.

925
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 5: I have no idea this juncture because we all got

926
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 5: different agendas this time of year. Uh, we wanna kick

927
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 5: and cover and receive kicks. We wanna get to know

928
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 5: those guys that are batting for roster spots, and so

929
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 5: I don't think we begin to scratch the surface from

930
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 5: a strategic strategic standpoint what that change might mean. You

931
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 5: had boys just kick off and not to do the

932
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 5: other stuff? What went in there that rule for any hotaday?

933
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 5: Christian got hurt, but I mean you had souls though,

934
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: I mean Christian got hurt.

935
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: Okay, anything else?

936
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: The head coach speaking after practice, touching on a lot

937
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: of different things there, but I think the most might

938
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: have been something that he was asked about towards the front, Matt,

939
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: and that is that Christian Koot's injury.

940
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: He's at the beginning to show the long snapper right

941
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: in the end.

942
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: But you know what it is. It is one of

943
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: those classic positions that like you never talk about it

944
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: or worry about it until something goes wrong. Yeah, and

945
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 2: short term for him injury. I suppose a long term

946
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: is great news.

947
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: I probably should know this. But did they sign anyone?

948
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean, like, who's going to do the long snapping

949
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: tomorrow or Thursday? I don't think you want Logan Lee

950
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: doing it? And Tomlin even said, why did you not

951
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: put Boz out there? Because well, with a goofy long snapper,

952
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: there's a chance Boz has to like make a tackle

953
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: or do something right. You know you don't want anything

954
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 3: messing with him. Obviously, I would think you better find

955
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: somebody and maybe Kakoons will be fined by week one

956
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: the regular season. We got a long time for that,

957
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: but sure I would want somebody to be out there.

958
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: Long snapper Jake McQuaid was added to roster. Yes at least, yes, yes, absolutely.

959
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: They released Brandon Fijoco, Rock Taylor really and Devin Harper.

960
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, all three I thought had a chance to

961
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: have something.

962
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Squad did some good things at times.

963
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: I guess they still could end up on the practice squad.

964
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: No, yeah, they absolutely could, but shocks.

965
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: Me, like, I don't think those are their three worst guys.

966
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. Like I would have

967
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: liked to see another game of Rock Taylor, I would

968
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: like to see another game of Devin Harper. Yeah, but

969
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: they did add defensive back Cam Alexander, long snapper Jake McQuaid,

970
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: and offensive tackle Julian Pearl.

971
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 3: Okay, well the long snappers, who are the other ones?

972
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: Cornerback Cam Alexander and offensive tackle Julian Pearl Okay.

973
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think these are just positions that had gotten

974
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: hit kind of hard reason, they just need bodies.

975
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: They waved Gareth Warren tackle and added linebacker Kenny Willocks

976
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: as well too.

977
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: It's not that I know these names. It's just interesting

978
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: to me of what positions they're light at to get

979
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: through this game in two days. Yeah, basically what these

980
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: moves are like. Not only anybody they sign is going

981
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: to make the team, but I'm a little shock Rock

982
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: Tailor is not a Steeler anymore.

983
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: I am as well too. Again, I'm not saying he

984
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: was lighting the world on fire and yeah, but I

985
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: thought he did some good things in camp and made

986
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: a couple of plays in the preseason.

987
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought there's a little bit of ability there

988
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 3: and it was a typical would have liked to see

989
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: him next year in Latrobe guy, And that doesn't mean

990
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: it's thought.

991
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say. That doesn't mean that that

992
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: you won't yeah, absolutely, or even that you know for

993
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: this year his his say with the with the black

994
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: and Gold is over. Yeah, but that's kind of all

995
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: the latest of the of the moving and shaken and

996
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: good call by you to mention the signing of a

997
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: long snapper as well too.

998
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

999
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: I assumed they had to just you need someone you

1000
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: don't want Logan Lee doing it for one game?

1001
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely not absolutely not cool, Matt, good stuff.

1002
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: We'll have another game in the books next time.

1003
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: A couple other hours, are gonna say, that'll be. That'll

1004
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: be the nice thing about listen out. I'll give you

1005
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: a good thing and a bad thing about Friday Show.

1006
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: The good thing will be we'll have plenty to talk

1007
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: about from Thursday night.

1008
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: Yes.

1009
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: The bad thing will be I'll be on like three

1010
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: or four hours of sleep. Yeah by the time we

1011
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 2: get home and my kids wake me up, my daughters

1012
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: in the morning and everything. But that's all right. That's

1013
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: what we got coffee for baby.

1014
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: As I was saying, I got like twelve hours of driving tomorrow,

1015
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: and then I'll be on the postgame show late two

1016
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: Thursday too. I usually get to sleep off three am

1017
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: on those nights, so it'll Friday, we might not be

1018
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: as sharp as usual.

1019
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to see. One of the things that

1020
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: myself and our our game day producer, Dan Quinlan, who

1021
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: you know who works here at iHeart as well too.

1022
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: One of the things we always laugh about is like

1023
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: the close games. So Philadelphia, oh okay, Buffalo.

1024
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: The score is closed, you know, yes, distance is close.

1025
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: There's it's like a fifty to fifty thing that sometimes

1026
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 2: when we land, you guys are still doing the postgame show.

1027
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: Oh that could you know for places like Philly and

1028
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: Buffalo where the flight is thirty forty minutes, you know,

1029
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: sometimes it's like we land and show Charlie and Pursuda

1030
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: are still in like the last segment or two of

1031
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: the postgame show. So I don't know if Charlotte's quite

1032
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: close enough for that. Cincinnati's a fifty to fifty one.

1033
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: Buffalo and Philly are like an almost certain one, and

1034
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: then Cleveland we always drive, we do the bus things.

1035
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: So that I'd been getting off the air around twelve

1036
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: thirty the last two. Hopefully this one will be the same,

1037
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: but it could be later.

1038
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: We'll probably land a little closer to one, but we'll see,

1039
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: we'll see. Hopefully the game will move. That game against Tampa,

1040
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: the first half felt like it moved really slow. Hopefully

1041
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: these teams will do some running in the football on

1042
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: Thursday night, Matt, But regardless of how much sleep we

1043
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: get and what time we are up until, we will

1044
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: be with back with you on Friday for another show

1045
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio. As myself Matt Williamson will

1046
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: break down preseason game number three for you. But that'll

1047
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: do it for today. Take care everybody, Thanks for listening,

1048
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: and you know where to find us X time. As always,

1049
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: it's on your twenty four to seven home of the

1050
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: Black and Gold, Steelers' Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio

1051
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