WEBVTT - Draft Show: QB in the First? 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:09.799 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.680 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:17.600 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:27.720 Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeomans. Today is Wednesday, 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.520 March twenty second, and we are officially thirty six days 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.000 away from the NFL Draft, just over a month away. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.640 As we welcome you into the Draft Show presented by 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.000 Miller Lite. Here from the Star in Frisco in the 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.040 s WBC studios, it's Miller time and it's also draft time. 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.720 We've got the entire crew back in the building. We've 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:52.760 got Bobby phil We've got Brian Broadness, Zach Walchuk, Aisha Morrison, 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.680 I'm Kyle Yeoman's everybody, how are we doing? You said 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.200 thirty six days? Thirty six days? Y'all got to stop 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:05.520 saying the number. I'm excited to stop saying it out now. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.560 You know what's cool is you're starting to see these 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.080 pro days. They're starting to kind of wind down and 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.520 then the top one. So what got Ohio State rolling today? 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.039 And you got a man. I've seen a lot of 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.520 a lot of tweets of coaches doing these workouts, Cowboy 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.919 coaches doing these workouts. So out at USC Ohio State, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.720 I mean dan Quinn making the Tripsowa, Iowa. He went, yeah, 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.600 he did that Midwest tour for you and got him 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.720 a little sweet corn on the way as he was 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.280 rolling along. So yeah, No, it's it's uh, before long, 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.640 this free agency thing is gonna be over. And it's 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.160 these guys and gals are gonna push into these rooms 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.880 and they're gonna start putting boards together. And that's cool, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:52.040 when isn't it. Well, it's gonna it's gonna But for 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.280 the teams. For the teams, they're gonna stop, they're gonna 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.760 stop looking at guys. They're gonna start looking at college guys. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.240 That's what they're gonna do. And filling the whole is 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.760 where that's I mean. Right now, you're trying to build 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.520 your roster and then the draft you can fill the 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.000 holes and you can build that young nucleus. I think 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:09.800 the Cowboys. I was talking to a buddy of mine 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.000 and I was telling him, I think the Cowboys have 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.799 set themselves up great to do what they're really good at, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.680 and that's draft. That's draft yet players. And so to me, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.360 if you're a Cowboy fan, you got to be excited 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.680 about what your team did because they they're using the 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.720 compensed Tory picks to trade to grab some guys. Talk 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.560 to my scout buddies around the league. They got guys 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.040 that can actually play. Heck yeah, Cooks and Gilmore. So 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.120 it kind of keeps them really open. It makes it 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.040 fun for us there in the draft show because it 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.720 is so open. Really at twenty six, you know you're 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.400 gonna get into like you can. We'll be on that 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.760 first night and those names will start coming off that 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.919 board and you're like, you're going, Okay, I'll take that guy. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.600 I'll take that guy. I'll take that guy. Yeah. We 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.840 can sit back and really just enjoy falling to twenty six. Absolutely, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.400 let's talk about some of the moves that they have 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.760 made and how that could affect it, because I agree 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.280 with you completely. I think nothing is off the table 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.680 at twenty six at this point because of some of 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.800 these moves. Since the last time we were on the air, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.600 Cowboys traded a fifth round draft pick, the compensatory pick, 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:15.600 as Brian mentioned, to Indianapolis for a corner Stefan Gilmore 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.080 excuse me, released Ezekiel Elliott. They agreed the terms on 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.519 a restructure with Tyrn Smith to build some more cap room, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.600 and then they resigned c J. Goodwin did so with 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.639 Cooper Rush, and then they traded Brandon Cooks in exchange 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.520 for a fifth round pick as well in twenty twenty three, 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.679 and then a sixth round pick next year. So you've 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.800 got a starting caliber corner and Stefan Gilmore. You have 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.040 a starting caliber wide receiver. Probably your wide receiver too, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.040 depending on what happens in the draft with Brandon Cooks. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.600 But Bobby, now you look at it and you don't 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.440 have to go with either one of those positions at 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.960 twenty six anymore. Yeah, And that's kind of their their 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.200 approach every offseason. I feel like where it's something where 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.000 they enter the offices and go, Okay, what do we 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.320 absolutely need? Okay, let's go find veterans that fill everything 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.160 that we absolutely need, and then we're freed up when 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.520 we get into the draft of we can just follow 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.440 our board. We can get whoever want. We don't feel 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.560 like we have to go get a guard right now 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.080 because he dog is here. We don't have to go 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.880 get a running back. We got Ronald Jones. You know, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.880 we don't have to go get a corner because we 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.000 got stuff on Golmore. But if they want to get 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.920 a corner, if corners the top player there, they can 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.000 just get it. If the top player there's a running back, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.440 they can get the running back. And that's kind of 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.920 been their m for the last I don't know, probably 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.520 decade under Will McClay really running the draft, is they not? 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.080 They use this month to knock out their needs and 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.480 have contingencies in place so that if it doesn't fall 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:35.200 the way they want, they don't feel like they left 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.840 the draft with, you know, their hands empty. I feel 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.800 like it's always always call it protecting yourself policies. Yeah, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.840 I think that's what Will really is interested in doing. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.040 He's trying to make sure that, like he doesn't, like 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.200 you said, Bobby, that he doesn't have to go get somebody. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.240 He can say, Okay, if this thing falls to me, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.600 and if they're very open about taking and we've seen 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.039 the last couple of drafts, they're very open to taking 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.960 the best player on their board, regardless of the position 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.239 you go. Now, I was gonna say though, like even 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.279 with that though, like because Boby was saying that's been 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.880 their mo for a while. Yeah, we've seen it be 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.200 their m But the gentleman that they brought in here, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.800 did they move the needle? Were they guys that we 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.720 felt like now? Granted, I feel like they have been 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.760 more aggressive on the defensive side of the ball and 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.640 free agency since Dan Quinn has gotten here because he 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.800 has a specific type of gentleman. He's trying to build 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.479 something on that side of the ball, but he on 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.680 the offensive side of the ball. To Brandon Cooks, thing 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:25.719 is something that it was in the works, but just 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.320 to bring a guy in here that you know should 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.360 be able to take that new number two spot, it 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.960 feels different than it has to me in past years 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.600 with the caliber of gentlemen that they're bringing in here 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.680 to replace those guys before the draft. Yeah, I mean 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:43.039 they wouldn't got Randall Cobb one year and that was 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.640 a significant one. But in the past generally, I think 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.880 it's just the value was there for them to make 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.120 the deal that I think they've spent similar capital before. Like, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.719 it wouldn't be unusual if you if we had headed 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.960 into this offseason said the Cowboys are going to make 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.000 a trade using a fifth and a sixth rounder for 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.960 a receiver. I think most people would hear that and go, Okay, well, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:03.920 who are they traded for? It? Probably somebody I've never 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.840 heard of, Like they wouldn't expect Cooks to get back. 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.680 So I think the Cowboys approach is similar in acquiring 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.279 players tout it's always been on offense or defense. I 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.880 think what it is is the opportunity was given to 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.239 them to get really quality players for what they normally 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.880 spend in terms of with Gilmore and Cooks being more 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.240 valuable than what they typically get. They stayed after the 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.760 Cooks deal. That was something they were trying to get done. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.039 They weren't the longest and they got it at their price. Yeah, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.400 you know, big, big win for them. But yeah, you're right. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.279 I mean you looked at what were their biggest needs 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:32.920 at the end of last year. I mean they were 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.479 desperate for a number two corner. You saw that after 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.040 the injuries. They filled that void with Gilmore and then 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.120 who was your other playmaker outside of cd Lam Offensively, 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.000 I mean, we're hopeful that Michael Gallup gets back to 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.840 where we want him to be and where he's been 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.880 in his career. But you make the move for Brandon 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.280 Cooks also adds the speed element which you've been lacking. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.200 You get two home run starters. In my opinion for 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.480 low compics, I think it's fantastic team building by the Cowboys. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.000 It's not even just the insurance policy anymore, at least 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.200 this time around. It's not. This is an aggressive push 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.280 to build a roster, to build a competitor. And with 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.640 that being said, now it opens things up. It opens 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.880 up the possibilities that if a Bijan Robinson out of 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.240 Texas falls to you, and I know that's that's the 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.960 popular name, there's a big if around that because it's 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.920 safe to say he's not even close to being guaranteed 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.280 being there at twenty six. But let's say Jamir Gibbs 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.440 is there out of Alabama. Maybe you can make me 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.040 make that pick. Tight endwise, we've talked about these tight 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.000 ends a number of times. Is there a position though, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.400 that is off the table now now that these moves 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.720 have been made. Is there a single position that you 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.200 would say, let's not think about that in the first round, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.160 let's move on. I don't know if they would think 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.200 about a quarterback at twenty six. No quarterback, I don't 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.520 think now does that change with this move? Though probably not. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.680 The was see that, But that's what I'm saying, the 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.400 thing about, you know, we're I know, I'm talking about 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.800 it being wide open and stuff like that. I don't 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.640 see one of those top quarterbacks fall into twenty six, 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.120 but it would be interesting if one did, just to see, 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.640 you know how, what they really really feel about their 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.160 quarterback situation going forward. Are you at four names? There? 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.680 Four names with C. J. Strout Ohio State, Bryce Young Alabama, 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.720 Will Levis Kentucky, Anthony Richardson Florida. Those are the four. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.880 Those are my four names. Stroud, Young, Levis, Richardson would 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.440 be my four. And the thing about it is and 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.960 but I literally like Kendon Hooker and I mentioned him 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.960 quite a bit. But I would be interested to see 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:32.640 because I remember in previous drafts that the green Bay Packers, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.000 Ted Thompson, the general manager in green Bay, was not 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.240 going to draft Aaron Rodgers. He didn't think Aaron Rodgers, 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.760 any quarterback was going to get to him, you know. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.720 And so all of a sudden, you know, they're sitting 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.840 there at twenty four and they've got Brett Farve on 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.640 their roster, you know, and I know Brett Farve was 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.679 towards the end of his career, but Ted Thompson had 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.400 no intention to draft in a quarterback in that first round. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.360 And he goes he told the guys in the room, 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.720 he says, boys, we can't pass this guy, can we? 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:03.240 And they didn't, you know, and that's sometimes sometimes you 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.760 get to a point where if you have a player 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:10.079 that's high enough on your board and he slides to you, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.079 you can't pass that player. Consider you know, you don't 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.280 want to ever. You always hear me say this, don't 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.320 window dress your board. Sure put these players where you 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.960 honestly believe you would take them. A guy lost his 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.760 job here, Tom Suskowski lost his job here because of 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.920 they had a defensive tackle from Florida Floyd in the 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.560 first round and at the top five pick, and when 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.960 it came time to pick him, they didn't pick him, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.719 you know. And now all of a sudden there was 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.280 a big argument like, well, why are you And that's 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.520 when Will McClay took over the draft. But that's that's 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.719 where that's where you you you know, you got to 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.720 be careful because if you're putting players on that board 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.839 and you're not willing to take him. When it's you 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.960 you get the opportunity, then you're not doing yourself any favors. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.840 Sure your board, your your your board is not true 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.520 to who you are. It'd be fascinating if one slid. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.160 We kind to saw that a couple of years ago 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.400 at Justin Fields. They had the opportunity with Fields falling 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.080 into ten, they moved back. That's where I like the 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.480 idea of a quarterback sliding. And I also want I 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.440 wonder because of the fifth year option, if a team decides, hey, 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.360 we really like Hendon Hooker and the medicals checked out 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.600 where he's going to be ready to go? Is that 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.440 a guy that maybe a team would move up to 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.040 get just to get that fifth year option at the 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.200 bottom of the first round, and you could benefit off 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.400 of that by maybe stockpiling some more picks, maybe a 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.959 future one for next year, depending on how far a 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.000 team has to move up. I think all of those 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:37.000 are really intriguing, intriguing ideas. We've had that conversation a 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:40.040 couple of times that at twenty six, do you feel 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.160 like the board would dry up enough to where they 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.920 would entertain that option? Now, the level of the compensation 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.920 would certainly change sure the narrative there, because if some 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.280 team comes in and they've just got a ton of compensation, 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.000 you're gonna take it. But if there's a position group 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.720 that's not available there for the Cowboys at twenty six 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.600 would be the Cowboys. Teams know that they know that 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.160 that's a target to where they can come up and 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.200 maybe try and acquire that twenty six. I think you 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.599 to me, there's as I study this thing, and I 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.800 don't want to speak for you guys, as I study 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.040 this there's going to be a player that they really 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.320 like at twenty six. I just think it's it's so 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.520 deep in certain positions, and they've left themselves open to 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.240 being able to take whichever one they want. If they 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.360 want to take if they want to take a tight end, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.840 if they want to take one of these defensive tackles, 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:30.640 if they want to take a corner, if they want 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.120 to take a wide receiver. I think I think there's 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.280 plenty of I think there's plenty of options for them 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.240 to do. I just feel like the quarterback one is 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.360 always an interesting discussion when you really don't feel like 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.560 you need one, But in this day and age, as 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.840 you continue to pay these quarterbacks forty five to soon 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.359 be fifty million dollars. You know, this is an organization 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.520 that can move on from a quarterback and not be 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.120 worried about it. And I say that because the owner 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.320 is the general manager. If you're sitting there some of 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.960 these other places. My buddy Jason Lte in Tampa, he 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.400 was going to get fired until Tom Brady came along. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.360 Less Snead was going to get fired, you know, until 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.120 some of the moves happened out there with the Rams. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.560 If you don't have a quarterback, you will sell your soul. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.000 I live this with the Cowboys nearly two thousands. I 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.560 would have given anything to be through what the way 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.480 people are moving quarterbacks in this day and age, like 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:31.080 willingness to part with you know, Derek Carrs and Matt 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.280 Staffords and people like that. We were playing with baseball 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.280 players because nobody give up their quarterback. Nobody give up 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.079 their quarterback. So now, I mean, I think the Cowboys 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.040 are a situation where you know, if your job depends 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.599 on it, you will sell your soul for a quarterback. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.160 But here they don't have to. And this is the 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.439 first organization I thought that wouldn't pay a quarterback forty 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.199 million dollars and they didn't, and they did, they did, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.079 And now there are a lot of Cowboys fans that 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.000 are on the fence about Dak Prescott and the season 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.840 that he had. That doesn't matter. It's he's your quarterback, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.680 he's your franchise guy. I will say that's a transition though, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.160 because we were talking in our group message about what 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.319 we wanted to hit today, why or why not guys 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.439 that you're on the fence about draftwise, we were able 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.640 to put together a list of guys that you aren't 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:23.760 necessarily out on, but aren't necessarily in on that any 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.040 of these on the fence guys that you could see. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.080 I'm gonna start with Zach Waldshut. Oh great, I'm gonna 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:31.160 see what waldschut. Can I go first? I'll go first. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.800 Go let me go first. Okay, are you are you 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.720 guys in and out on Lucas fan Ness from Iowa? Okay, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.400 this is a good one. Are you in and out? 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.000 If Lucas fan Ness defensive end from Iowa gets to you, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.360 are you in or out on him? We're talking about 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:51.800 at twenty six at twenty six? Oh come out? Why 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:57.520 is that? Go for it? Why I'm out. I think 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.280 I'll talked to Brian about this the other day like 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.520 this and this is no knock to to the program, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.679 but we talk about Iowa guys and what they bring 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.160 and how fundamentally sound they are and stuff, and there's 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.720 just a viciousness that I look for in d N's 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.760 and um, I just don't know how much he likes 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.599 getting hit in the mouth, like and I just don't 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.040 that means something to me, Like that means something to 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.320 me in pursuiting the stuff and watching him is like 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.560 if he gets hit in the mouth a couple of times, 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.920 he doesn't respond that well, similar to to me, similar 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.920 to how you see some of the Bosta brother for 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.880 the Niners. If you run at him, if you go 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.400 at him, he gets exhausted, whatever the case may be. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.440 But I just I don't I don't see if I 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.320 don't see a first round I don't see a first 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:44.600 round player there, jes see you always coming. Why are 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.640 you gonna say it like that? I don't think. I don't. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.400 I don't think you're wrong. I don't think that. It's 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.520 not that I don't think he's tough tough enough. I 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.720 just don't know if he's battle tested enough for me 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.960 to be like, yeah, that ye fairness, and that's just 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:02.360 just my personal that's I think that's fair. At twenty six, 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.640 i'd be I think I'm out on him too, And 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.960 I just I didn't love the guy that I watched 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.960 and I saw Paris Johnson from Ohio State. I got 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:12.680 to see that game in person and I went back 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.800 and studied it. I thought he handled him pretty well. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.840 He's not a guy that I think has an amazing 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.160 pass rush ability right that you tap into. He's a 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.040 good all around player, plays the run solid. I think 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.640 he can kick inside, play some defensive tackle. And it's 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.800 interesting because you had dan Quinn working him out. Maybe 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.960 Dick you really likes him, and look, if deck you 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.200 likes a guy, fine, you know, if you stand on 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.360 the table for him, I'm gonna trust in dan Quinn. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.240 But when I watched him, I'm with y Aisha. I 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.320 was like, I don't see the top ten, top twenty 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.520 type of hype. Now. If he falls to twenty six, maybe, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.840 but I think I'm out more than I'm in on him, 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.080 and he might be one of the guys that I'm 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:50.880 most wrong about him this entire club. I think he 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.960 is the same way. I think that both Ayisha and 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.760 Zach have seen him the right way. I have more 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.040 questions about him than I have good positive answers. He 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.040 played in a rotating system there at Iowa. I just 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.680 when it came down to like, okay, gotta have a play, 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:08.720 gotta have a play, I just didn't see it with 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.360 a guy that you know, some of these other defensive ends. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.320 I see these guys make plays a lot, and I 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.080 questioned about him a little bit. Bobby, I always get 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.120 a little when we talk about biases. I guess I 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.880 always get a little hesitant when we're talking about a 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.800 first round edge rusher who the first thing that you 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.520 point to when you talk about their skill set a 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.240 lot of times is power. Like when it's power is 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.160 the top thing at the edge, it's like, all right, well, 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.480 but power is not like the top trade I'm necessarily 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.520 looking for on the edge. Now, it's important you want 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:38.600 to play with it. You don't want to be a 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.080 guy with no play strength or who gets bullied or 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.920 whatever else. But when that's the lead, that's what you're 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.600 leading with is man. The power that this guy plays 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.520 with and the toughness and the physicality everything. That's like, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.080 that's not what I'm looking for off the edge I 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.720 want to see. And I know he tested fairly well, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.240 yeah across what I didn't see. The athleticisms showed up. 0:16:58.280 --> 0:16:59.640 But to be fair, the last time I saw a 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.400 guy who it's like, man, he plays with a lot 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.040 of power, plays some push poll technique, doesn't quite look 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.720 like the athlete on tape that he tested. Like the 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.840 last guy we described like that was T. J. Watt, 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.280 where Watt tested way above what he looked like physically 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.440 on tape and what was a push poll guy and 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.520 didn't show a lot of the stuff that he's now 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.080 using at the next level. So I'll always defer. If 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.160 they look at it and they say, nope, these traits 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.080 are here, it's like, well, I trust the scouting staff. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.680 They've been right about guys that we've had questions about before. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.840 But that's a hesitancy for me. Is when I was here, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.200 like is if power is the lead on an edge rusher, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.119 I'm like, Okay, well, let me pull back a little bit. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.440 I don't know that that's what I want to spend 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.040 first round capital on compared to the rest of the 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.320 edge rush class. You have Will Anderson at the top 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.440 out of Alabama, Tyree Wilson's up there to Texas Tech. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.480 Nolan Smith from Georgia. Is he the second start of 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.240 the second tier or is he kind of mixed in 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.479 a little bit lower than that for you Nolan Smith, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:57.800 Ojularie McDonald from Iowa State and Van Ness. Because in 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.399 that order, that order that's one through four, that's no, 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.840 that's second round Wilson, Anderson, Murphy and then now second 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:10.240 Nolan Smith, Ojilari Lsu McDonald Iowa State, van Ness from Iowa. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.920 It would be that in that group. Well, I was 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.119 gonna say too. We talked about Dan Quinn and he 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.440 was up in Iowa doing his you know, making his rounds. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.680 Like if you if he worked out VanNess and then 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.399 when worked out Will McDonald, Yeah, it's not gonna look 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.639 the same. They're not gonna look like the same. And 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.440 that's what I'm saying, Like I at this point with 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.960 d N respectfully, I want an athlete. I want the pursuit. 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.320 I want to speed because at this juncture, I just 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.120 feel like those guys can they can change the game. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.000 We're starting to see it and I'm looking at more 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.080 of how much of an athlete is this guy, how 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.720 how how's this pursuit, how's this speed or whatever. I 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:49.760 do understand that edge is something like they got to 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.199 defend the run and everything. But at this point, like 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.320 when you brought up the point about power, Bobby, like 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.560 that's fine, Like, yeah, I want the power to play 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.399 the run, but at the same time, I want somebody 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.239 that's gonna changed the game. Also on that side though, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.159 when they if they were to go and I think 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.600 they would like McDonald dan Vaness. I think I'm sure 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.680