WEBVTT - Stephanie Ruhle & Alex Burness

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds and a data for Progress. Paul found

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<v Speaker 1>that fifty two percent of Americans believe that President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>was motivated to take military action against Iran to distract

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<v Speaker 1>from the Epstein files. Wow, we have such a great

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<v Speaker 1>chow for you today. Emma's Now. Steph Rule stops by

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Trump making up a story about an

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<v Speaker 1>ex president backing his war in the Middle East. Spoiler

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<v Speaker 1>there is then ex president is him. Then we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Boltz Magazines Alex Burness about the Supreme Court election

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<v Speaker 1>in Wisconsin. It could be one of the year's most

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<v Speaker 1>important elections. But first, the news.

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<v Speaker 2>BII all the time the Trump administration tells on themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>says the quiet part out loud, But this one, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to enter it into the Greatest Hits album of

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<v Speaker 2>absolute Toewing on themselves quotes that truly I was laughing.

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<v Speaker 3>So but the fact is that the US economy is

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<v Speaker 3>fundamentally sound and that if it were to be extended

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<v Speaker 3>this it wouldn't really disrupt the US economy very much

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<v Speaker 3>at all. It would hurt consumers, and we'd have to

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<v Speaker 3>think about, you know, if that continued, what we would

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<v Speaker 3>have to do about that. But that's like really the

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<v Speaker 3>last of our concerns right now, because we're very confident

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<v Speaker 3>that this thing is going ahead of schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin has to bally friend of the pod. Justin Wolfers

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<v Speaker 1>calls him happy happy Kevin, not.

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<v Speaker 2>To be confused with handsome Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>Handsome Kevin. Happy Kevin is still happy. So he's saying

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't care the gas prices are going up.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from Donald J. Trump. Literally, all he did

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<v Speaker 1>was complained about gas prices while Biden was president.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I give you a gas price report from my corner.

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<v Speaker 2>It went up forty cents since our last episode two

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<v Speaker 2>days ago. Really, gas prices on average are up over

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<v Speaker 2>a dollar now.

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<v Speaker 1>In Brooklyn, a fifth of all oil and Jack goes

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<v Speaker 1>through the straits of our mouse. That's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>oil and gas and it's not going through those straits.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing in there except lots of minds and et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. So here's the question when we

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<v Speaker 1>look at this, which is gas is going to get

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive, food is going to get more expensive. Money

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<v Speaker 1>could get more expensive. I mean, this is just a

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<v Speaker 1>super bad thing. And it's also worth pointing out that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's worth pointing out just for a minute

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<v Speaker 1>here that Trump said he was going to make things cheaper.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is now just laser focused on not doing that

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<v Speaker 1>in any way, shape or form. And so Kevin has

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<v Speaker 1>said he's happy, but he shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he should be happy anymore when there's

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<v Speaker 2>lots of catch up, big throat in his direction.

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<v Speaker 1>He should be anxious.

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>So by the big, big news that really shook everybody

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<v Speaker 2>today is a guy everybody thought that was in the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump camp on foreign policy. Joe Kent worked as a

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<v Speaker 2>US counter terrorism center ahead. He has resigned over this

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<v Speaker 2>bullshit Iran war in the premises upon which we have

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<v Speaker 2>entered Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to take a moment here to remind

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<v Speaker 1>all of us nothing good is going on here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>no one is like trying to be a good person,

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe Kent has decided that Israel got this administration

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<v Speaker 1>into the war. That's the same thing that Marco Rubio said. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>why is that relevant, Well, it's relevant for any number

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<v Speaker 1>of reasons, and Again, this is this sticky part of

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<v Speaker 1>the situation, which is if you are anti Israel, of

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<v Speaker 1>which there are many people, and look, Israel has not

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<v Speaker 1>behaved in a good way, and especially because they've been

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<v Speaker 1>run by Nenya, who is basically running the country in

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<v Speaker 1>order to stay head of jail. So you can see

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<v Speaker 1>where this is going. But Joe Kent has said that

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<v Speaker 1>he does not think that this administration was going America first,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, look, he's right, right, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>most concerned about America first, you would not have attacked

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<v Speaker 1>a country with ninety eighty ninety million people filled with

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<v Speaker 1>religious extremists and opened a Pandora's box which has led

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<v Speaker 1>to higher gas prices and will soon lead to all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of other second order, third order effects. So I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that he is both right. And also I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always a little itchy in Trump world when people start

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<v Speaker 1>becoming anti Zionists, because there's also a section of MEGA

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<v Speaker 1>that is profoundly anti Submitta. So I'm not saying that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on here, but I'm also saying that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a schism in MAGA that's being revealed here, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the Erica firsts and then the anti Israel crewe

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's this really scary vein of anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 1>in the party too. Now I'm not saying this is

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<v Speaker 1>going on here, but I would also like to say

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a big deal that Joe ken is resigning

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<v Speaker 1>and writing a real resignation letter. This administration rarely has

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<v Speaker 1>people do things that aren't just like, oh, mister Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>you are the most handsome. So in that way, it's

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<v Speaker 1>also a big deal, and it's meaningful for different reasons. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, can we just pause for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that Trump World then immediately went after him

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<v Speaker 1>and Tyler Budowitch, a Trump advisor, said that Kent is

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<v Speaker 1>a crazed egomaniac who just wants to make us splash

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<v Speaker 1>before getting canned is pretty amazing because like who hired Kent?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think this is always the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>it's like we could just predict this Steve Chung pattern

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<v Speaker 2>every time that it's like, Okay, what is the insult

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<v Speaker 2>to insult this person's past work and their motivations with

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<v Speaker 2>It's every time. It's motivations and past work every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Just fill in the madlib. Yeah, so we had a

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<v Speaker 2>great guest from Pro Public con last week Doug back Clark,

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<v Speaker 2>who talked about the plots to steal the midterms election

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<v Speaker 2>and the people in Maga who are working to do us.

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times Today has a lot of color on

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<v Speaker 2>this story called Trump's cutting of election security fuels worries

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<v Speaker 2>of midterms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again we're worried. I think that we're worried,

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<v Speaker 1>and rightly so. Election officials in Arizona opened their online

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<v Speaker 1>candidate portal last summer. It was immediately clear and have

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<v Speaker 1>been hacked. The photos of aspiring public servants had been

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<v Speaker 1>replaced by red and black images of Ayodtola Kumani Rand

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<v Speaker 1>for Supreme Leader. That's a bright spot. Yeah. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of our wars are now fought to cyber. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Donald Trump was the first person to say

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<v Speaker 1>this about cyber. It's very complicated cyber and we need

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<v Speaker 1>our federal government to make sure that things are safe,

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<v Speaker 1>that our technology is safe, which they are planning not

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Speaking of these efforts, Trump has admitted that jd

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<v Speaker 2>Vance will target blue states in his fraud task force. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's what they did in Minnesota. Right, Why

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<v Speaker 1>did they go to Minnesota because of fraud. Who found

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<v Speaker 1>the fraud? Nick Shirley, Well, really, who found the fraud?

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<v Speaker 1>The inspector generals from twenty twenty and in fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>people who had committed the fraud were already in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are going to do more stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration wants to run on fraud the problem. And

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Trump one point zero could have run on fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>but Trump two point zero has embraced fraud in such

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<v Speaker 1>a profound and disturbing way, like let us look no

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<v Speaker 1>further than everyone's favorite cowgarall Christy No, Christy Nome? What

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<v Speaker 1>did Christy Nome do?

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<v Speaker 2>She I could get past the idea for being my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite cowboy EPs.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason that she ultimately is now leading the

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<v Speaker 1>American Shield of not existing is because Senator John Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>asked her wherethy two hundred and twenty million dollars went?

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<v Speaker 1>And she couldn't answer. Okay, So, if you're running on

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<v Speaker 1>fraud and your Homeland Security secretary has inhaled two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty million dollars, not great, strong and great. We

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, thank you, Molly Jong, how are you doing great? Overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 5>There's so much news to cover. I mean, there's just

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<v Speaker 5>so much. There's so much news. I mean there was

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<v Speaker 5>before the war, and the war has thrown just the

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<v Speaker 5>war impacts almost every other thing that we cover, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think, unlike just covering the US economy, the average

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<v Speaker 5>person doesn't think about foreign policy. The average person doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>vote on foreign policy. And so just even getting to basics, right,

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<v Speaker 5>lots of us were in the news business are now

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<v Speaker 5>like knee deep in national security and foreign policy, but

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<v Speaker 5>most people aren't. And so just every day, even getting

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<v Speaker 5>to the point of zero of like what's the history

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<v Speaker 5>of Iran? How did we get here? Why did we

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<v Speaker 5>get here? And where do we go from? Where do

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<v Speaker 5>we go from here? Is so difficult because the administration

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<v Speaker 5>has yet to articulate why we got here and even

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<v Speaker 5>what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like this is sort of this war with Iran was

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<v Speaker 1>always like the third rail, right, Like there were so

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<v Speaker 1>many Republicans who had sort of they had sort of

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<v Speaker 1>toyed with this. I mean John Bolton is a great example.

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<v Speaker 1>You have John Bolton who is like missed. If you

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<v Speaker 1>think of a person who loves war like in this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in this decade which is not a very

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a decade where we sort of had gotten

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<v Speaker 1>over foreign adventurism, or at least we thought we had,

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<v Speaker 1>and Donald Trump had. He even has said it's like

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<v Speaker 1>almost enough at this point, which is a terrifying idea.

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<v Speaker 5>It really is about strategy, not even execution, because we've got,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the greatest military in the world. But I

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<v Speaker 5>cover a lot of guys who are sort of George Bush, Conda,

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<v Speaker 5>Leeza Rice loving Republicans who you know, at the beginning

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<v Speaker 5>of this were like, I love this, I wanted this forever.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you know how horrible Iran is? And you're like, yes, totally.

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<v Speaker 5>But now here we are eighteen days in and they're

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<v Speaker 5>like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Right, just think about this,

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<v Speaker 5>the president who's been beating up on our NATO allies

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<v Speaker 5>in every possible way, both in Trump on point zero

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<v Speaker 5>but especially in Trump two point zero. It was just

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<v Speaker 5>a few weeks ago our European allies had to put

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<v Speaker 5>troops in Greenland because Trump wanted to take it.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we dis heard from Germany's Foreign Minister Finance minister yesterday,

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<v Speaker 5>when the President is saying, you guys better show up,

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<v Speaker 5>NATO allies, you better help us, or you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>face consequences, they basically said, this is not our war.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think one of the reasons they're saying it

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<v Speaker 5>not that they're not our ally and they don't come

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<v Speaker 5>to our aid. The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday the

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<v Speaker 5>President knew beforehand the calculation that if we decided to

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<v Speaker 5>strike Iran, there's a really good chance they would f

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<v Speaker 5>with the straight of horror moves, they would shut it down.

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<v Speaker 5>The President knew this and decided I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 5>forward anyway. So I think one of the main frustrations,

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<v Speaker 5>besides that you've been beating us up in every possible

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<v Speaker 5>way since you've been in office, Like besides like the

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<v Speaker 5>emotional aspect of it. From our foreign allies, they're like,

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<v Speaker 5>where's the strategy, bro? You knew this could happen with

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<v Speaker 5>the straight of horror moves. But you know, Trump is

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<v Speaker 5>always like, I'm the biggest, I'm the baddest, I'm the best.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna steal your lunch money and you're still gonna

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<v Speaker 5>give me your homework. And they're like, we all saw

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<v Speaker 5>this coming and sort of while closing the straight of

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<v Speaker 5>horror moves doesn't hurt us as much as let's say

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<v Speaker 5>it would have in the seventies and the eighties, because

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<v Speaker 5>we're far more oil independent, it hurts the whole world, right,

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<v Speaker 5>they would say, like when the US, you know, sneezes,

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<v Speaker 5>the rest of the world gets the flu. That's parts

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<v Speaker 5>of South Asia right now, who are saying people should

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<v Speaker 5>work from home, we need to close schools because they're

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<v Speaker 5>so dependent on that oil. And just watching the president

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<v Speaker 5>or the administration say we're going to guarantee the tankers

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<v Speaker 5>are going to be safe going across the street. We're

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<v Speaker 5>gonna have navy escorts. All it takes is one mind, right,

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<v Speaker 5>these tankers are such easy targets, and trying to convince

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<v Speaker 5>these companies sure. I mean the President last week was

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<v Speaker 5>basically like, boys, don't be chickens. You better get on

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<v Speaker 5>that butt and go court. Don't be chickens.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on now, well, also, don't be chickens. And also

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<v Speaker 1>there's no one who is going to ensure that the oil,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the reason you're doing it, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>the ship would blow up. Anyway, I want to pull

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<v Speaker 1>back and talk to you about something that you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have talked about before. Majohn, Yes, Majohn No.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>No, the idea that this administration was an administration crafted

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<v Speaker 1>by the rich for the rich. And there was a

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<v Speaker 1>time right before the right in the summer running up

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty twenty four life, where you and I had

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<v Speaker 1>many a talk where we both it was clear it

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and I'm sure it's clear to you that

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<v Speaker 1>we've both been talking to very rich people, maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>same very rich people, may be different very rich people,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had all been like, this is it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get the government we want and they're gonna fixed right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna fix book, and they're gonna do all

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff that we have been secretly wanting them to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So go on that.

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<v Speaker 5>So I would say two things. So on one level,

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<v Speaker 5>this administration was crafted by the super rich for the

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<v Speaker 5>super rich. And you see it in every way possible. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>It's why I think you do not see the president

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<v Speaker 5>doing rallies. President Trump doing rallies used to be one

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<v Speaker 5>of his favorite activities. Right drop down on the plane,

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<v Speaker 5>You're in an open field, thousands of people coming like

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<v Speaker 5>you're my boy, bro. Finally we've a president who's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>bring jobs back to the rust belt. Like I can

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<v Speaker 5>talk the way I want to talk, I can live

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<v Speaker 5>the way I wanted to like, don't tread on me.

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<v Speaker 5>President's on two rallies total. Instead, he goes from the

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<v Speaker 5>White House to mar Lago. Mar Lago, go to the

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<v Speaker 5>White House? Why because he is in a guilded, gilded cage.

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<v Speaker 5>This administration are completely beyond serve with the pleasure of

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<v Speaker 5>this president. There is no one to push back on

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<v Speaker 5>him at all. When you're wondering, how come but the

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<v Speaker 5>exception of Christy Noam, how come none of these cabinet

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<v Speaker 5>members get bounced they're failing at their jobs. It has

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<v Speaker 5>nothing to do with failing at their jobs. They serve

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<v Speaker 5>President Trump. They don't say no to him. They follow

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<v Speaker 5>his every whim and he likes that. Now, when you

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<v Speaker 5>think about who he's spending his time with, go to

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<v Speaker 5>mar a Lago. Right the night we struck a ram,

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<v Speaker 5>they still held a multimillion dollar fundraiser and the press

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<v Speaker 5>secretary said it was super important to do it. So

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<v Speaker 5>the president is now surrounded by people in the business

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<v Speaker 5>community who are who are wildly profiting from this information.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, excuse me from this administration. Either it's they

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<v Speaker 5>get information and able to invest on a fury and slipt.

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<v Speaker 5>They get information and they're able to invest on it.

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<v Speaker 5>They're getting government contracts. There's lots of people that I

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<v Speaker 5>cover who don't like the president, who think the president

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<v Speaker 5>is dangerous. However, they have figured out that he's completely

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<v Speaker 5>transactional and they know how to work him.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Last year, as devastating or as complicated or as problematic

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<v Speaker 5>as the tariffs were, the President Howard Lutnik, I would argue,

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<v Speaker 5>even with the Supreme Court striking the tariffs down, I

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<v Speaker 5>would argue, they still wouldn't have it any other way

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<v Speaker 5>because every single day last year, fixers were getting paid

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<v Speaker 5>to get business people and foreign leaders meetings with the

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<v Speaker 5>Commerce Secretary, meetings with the president, meetings with the Treasury secretary. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>they would come in and the answer, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 5>to get an exemption from the tariffs, And the answer

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<v Speaker 5>is great, what are you gonna give me? And on

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<v Speaker 5>every possible turn, those businesses, those foreign leaders were giving gifts, favors, presents,

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<v Speaker 5>business opportunities to administration. And so I think that the

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<v Speaker 5>idea that this was going to be an America first administration.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say the president wanted to implement ideas around

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<v Speaker 5>the America. His America first policies in Trump one point

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<v Speaker 5>zero right close the border was all about like America first.

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<v Speaker 5>What you're seeing now is truly Trump first, right. Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump Junior is an advisor to both Calshie and Polymarket,

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<v Speaker 5>the two prediction markets.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>We've got people betting day in and day out about

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<v Speaker 5>the war. John Junior is now an advisor in a

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<v Speaker 5>drone company. The President signed an executive order what was

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<v Speaker 5>it eight weeks ago, We're not buying Chinese drones anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>Lots of people have always gotten the ick over presidential

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<v Speaker 5>pardoning power. The dick has gone so far off the reservation.

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<v Speaker 5>There's tons of reporting on we know how a full

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<v Speaker 5>like lobby and cottage industry just focused on having part

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<v Speaker 5>super wealthy people unpardoned. And remember when people are unpardoned,

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<v Speaker 5>they're not just getting out of jail. In the cases

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<v Speaker 5>of white collar crimes or the cases of fraud where

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<v Speaker 5>they then are expected to pay millions of dollars to

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<v Speaker 5>the individuals who they wronged. That disappears so It's not

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<v Speaker 5>just this person's you know, get out of jail. Think

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<v Speaker 5>about all of their victims who are not being made whole.

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<v Speaker 5>And so what I find interesting though, is now we're

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<v Speaker 5>at war. Now we have a press secretary who has

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<v Speaker 5>not said that we wouldn't employ a draft.

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<v Speaker 1>So for all of.

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<v Speaker 5>These super wealthy people who are like, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to get this guy wrapped around my finger, or

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<v Speaker 5>who didn't like them, but they said, if you can't

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<v Speaker 5>beat him, join them, or they love what their stock

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<v Speaker 5>portfolio is doing, or they love the tax reefunds they're getting.

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<v Speaker 5>What are they going to do? Build a moat around

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<v Speaker 5>their castle with a drawbridge. We're now at war.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I think there was a fair amount

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<v Speaker 1>of not thinking through the second order of facts. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being like, you know, in Straits of Her Moves is

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<v Speaker 1>a really great example of that. Like anyone who had

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<v Speaker 1>read a book knew that that was what Iran had,

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<v Speaker 1>that that was the thing they could do that would

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<v Speaker 1>cut you know, twenty persist.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to trading one oh one. You've got guys who

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<v Speaker 5>are great investors who think I'm a great stockpicker. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>I understand how markets work. And they believe that transitions

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<v Speaker 5>into deeply understanding the complications of war. No, you don't. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>that's like you don't, and so exactly like the second

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<v Speaker 5>order effect is where all these people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>but the problem is the second order effect impacts our military,

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<v Speaker 5>it impacts our country, it impacts our budget. If you're

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<v Speaker 5>just an investor, you can buy it all today, and

0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:48.959
<v Speaker 5>you can sell it all tomorrow and then hop on

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<v Speaker 5>your plane and head to Palm Beach. Just think about

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that this war is costing US a billion

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<v Speaker 5>dollars a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's talk about the third order effect here. So

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, you and I have a mayor who

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<v Speaker 1>are very rich friends. I've never seen that more agitated.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I have had friendships and over the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so upset. I'm not entirely sure why, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're very mad. The mayor has so far, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for a New York City mayor, you know, which is

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<v Speaker 1>largely a job that's not ideological but management, He's done

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good job unless I'm missing something huge. So

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<v Speaker 1>my question is there is there is clearly a backlash

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<v Speaker 1>to a government cryptocracy, And my question is what happens

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<v Speaker 1>next with that.

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<v Speaker 5>So you know, it's funny, like we'll see. It's hard

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<v Speaker 5>to say because we don't know in terms of what

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<v Speaker 5>has mom Donnie done so far? Well, like, sure, it's

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<v Speaker 5>great they've picked up this note. You feel good about that.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that the other shoe hasn't dropped yet with

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<v Speaker 5>what is he going to do about taxing New Yorkers?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>New Yorkers already pay a ton of money in taxes.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's the whole thing. However, this idea that

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<v Speaker 5>people are leaving New York in droves is just not

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<v Speaker 5>the case. Right, We've seen it. We see it in California.

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<v Speaker 5>Like this idea in California that they're going to have

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<v Speaker 5>the billionaire sax. I'm not even saying whether I like

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<v Speaker 5>it or not, But what I am saying is, if

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<v Speaker 5>you think you're going to get billionaires in California to

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<v Speaker 5>suddenly fork over a giant amount of money, they're not.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's the thing about being a billionaire. You're not worried

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<v Speaker 5>about leaving your house empty in New York City. You're

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<v Speaker 5>not worried about where your kids go to school. If

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<v Speaker 5>you're a billionaire, you're going to pick up stakes and

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<v Speaker 5>you're gonna go somewhere else and you're gonna bring your

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<v Speaker 5>tutors and your kids. So this idea that like they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to scoop up the billionaires there, I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>how they're possibly going to do that. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 5>whether they should or they shouldn't. Butt if they interpreted that,

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<v Speaker 5>it's just going to be hard to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, guess what nobody is better at swan diving through

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<v Speaker 5>a loophole than billionaires. They can pick up a move

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<v Speaker 5>most people can't. However, this idea that people are leaving

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<v Speaker 5>New York in droves is bot loaning here. Case in point,

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<v Speaker 5>try to get into a restaurant in New York City,

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<v Speaker 5>you cannot.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to get into a private school in New York City.

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<v Speaker 5>Try to get it okay, getting into private school, getting

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<v Speaker 5>into kindergarten, and getting into private kindergarten in New York City.

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<v Speaker 5>This past February was possibly the hardest year we have

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<v Speaker 5>seen to date. We now have private clubs that cost

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<v Speaker 5>tens of thousands, in some cases hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 5>dollars popping up all over in New York City. Right

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<v Speaker 5>six years ago, you probably had, you know, soho house,

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<v Speaker 5>a few like Union League Club doubles kind of places

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<v Speaker 5>uptown now all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just speaking to like a major, major restaurant

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<v Speaker 5>tour who said, you cannot get into any restaurants at

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<v Speaker 5>this point. And so this argument that the wealthy are fleeing,

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<v Speaker 5>the wealthy are not fleeing.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>What we are seeing is school of young people saying,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't understand. I've worked my tail off and and

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<v Speaker 5>I simply cannot afford New York City. And those young

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<v Speaker 5>people are how Dora Mamdani was elected right, right, And

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<v Speaker 5>many of these young people aren't super radical, they're simply

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<v Speaker 5>saying this doesn't add up. When you grew up here,

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't, but you know, when I got out of school,

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<v Speaker 5>it was expensive. Young people moved to New York City,

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<v Speaker 5>like you moved to New York City and you didn't

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<v Speaker 5>have to donate plasma on your way home from work. Right,

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<v Speaker 5>there's always an expensive city.

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<v Speaker 1>Theoretically eventually by something.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, but I mean even even as a renter, right,

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<v Speaker 5>like you could come to New York it was possible.

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<v Speaker 5>And now young people are saying it's simply not possible.

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<v Speaker 5>And Listen, there's lots of reasons people feel the way

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<v Speaker 5>they feel about Zora Mamdani. I'm just speaking economically. If

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<v Speaker 5>we do end up seeing major taxation, I think it's

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<v Speaker 5>going to have an impact. But between then this idea, right,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think part of the narrative of people saying, look,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody's leaving in droves, I think it's being led by

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 5>like real estate brokers who sell properties in Greenwich. Like

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<v Speaker 5>I just I don't there's not evidence of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get back to this idea of what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now with Trump because he knows what he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing is not popular. And I think he knows it

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<v Speaker 1>because any time he talks about the mid Trumps, he

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 1>talks about the Save Act. And I think that that

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that his pivot to the Save Act is a real

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>case and point of why right. And we even hear

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>other Republicans say things like, you know, if we don't

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.200
<v Speaker 1>pass the Save Act, debt da da da dead.

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<v Speaker 5>So just think about this. He's not trying to do

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<v Speaker 5>anything in terms of serving the American people, whether it's

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 5>on healthcare or the price of He literally is just.

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<v Speaker 1>Throwing the hail Mary pass No, No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 5>No, It's got to be the Save America Act because

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<v Speaker 5>I need to I need to suppress voting.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>Do I think he's devastated, I don't. I think the

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 5>Save Act is like his last ditch effort and he

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 5>doesn't want to get smoked in the midterms. However, however,

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:23.120
<v Speaker 5>I don't think he's nearly as upset about it as

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 5>he would have been in Trump one point zero. I

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 5>had a chance to be the president. I had a

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.719
<v Speaker 5>chance to see the president ago. I had the tribe,

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 5>and it's a privilege. I'm not complaining about it. I

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 5>had the privilege of going to the White House for

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 5>lunch on the day of the State of the Union,

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 5>and I would argue, one of the things settled, not

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 5>that I've Listen, you can feel however you feel about

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 5>the president, if you want to cover him getting a

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.880
<v Speaker 5>front row seat and getting to spend an afternoon of them.

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.399
<v Speaker 5>I'm not saying, you know, we were sipping diet cokes,

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 5>having the same I'm not saying we had two straws

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 5>and one diet Coke. I'm not saying, you know, we've

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 5>played back Ammon in the in the in the in

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 5>the Lincoln bedroom, but if you want to cover the president,

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 5>getting to sit across from him and listen, listening to

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 5>him talk for three hours, it was to me there

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 5>was a huge value in it.

0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 1>That's why I really still the leader of the free world.

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.159
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to like him, but he has that correct.

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 5>But that's where I really started to see. I'm like,

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 5>this guy is in a gilded cage. Yeah, we can't.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:29.360
<v Speaker 5>We can't stress enough how much money he's making. Okay,

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 5>his family is now worth billions and billions of dollars.

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 5>Okay more than if you argue that his life here

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 5>of political hero is Vladimir Putin, look no further than

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 5>Trump's wealth, right, Vladimir Putin was once a KGB agent.

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 5>He now despite the fact that that Russia's economy has

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 5>been severely handicapped for years, He's one of the richest

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 5>people in the world. Trump could end up in that situation, right,

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 5>Don Junior and Eric. Look, Jared, Jared is in the

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 5>Middle East as a chieved negotiator while he's raising money

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 5>for his fund.

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I can't. You know, also, who doesn't invest in

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>that fund? He is making the policy that you can

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>this is it.

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 5>But this is it who doesn't invest in that fund.

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 5>He directly impacts everything at this point, and I just

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 5>to economy and he can yes, yes, So I'll just

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 5>go back to to is the president worried about the midterms? Sure,

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 5>but I don't think to the extent people. So he's like, yes,

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 5>let's get this Save America Act thing through so we

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 5>can make sure not enough people vote. But beyond that, girl,

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:53.719
<v Speaker 5>he can just tune out because inside that wonderland at

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 5>the White House, he's got you know, scores of servers

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 5>there with his diet coke. He's got an entire administration

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 5>saying when did you get great at being perfect? And

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 5>then he heads down to mar A Lago where people

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 5>are saying, can I please pay five million dollars for

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 5>five minutes of your time? He likes that.

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It does seem like from yesterday's presser that where

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>he said he had talked to another president.

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 5>I was just about to say this girl, I was.

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>That he might be losing a step. I don't want

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>to get to.

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 5>He's in the presser and he's like, let me tell you.

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.479
<v Speaker 5>I can't. I can't tell you which president it was.

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 5>You know it might be bad for him. No, no, no, no, no.

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 5>But one president called me instead, I wish I did it.

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 4>You're doing it.

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 5>I wish I did it right. And within minutes Bill

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 5>Clinton not me, right, Barack Obama not my team? George went,

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 5>don't they get me to call him from our squad?

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 4>Like?

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 5>What is like? Like who are in saying?

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 6>Called you?

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Bo?

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<v Speaker 5>Like like like I'm sorry, what what are are you

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 5>talking about? But guess what the president says that that

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 5>sound bite gets clipped, and there are without a doubt

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 5>news organizations that are now going to push to their audience.

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 5>A former president called him and said it was a

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 5>good idea, okay, and those same news organizations are not

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 5>going to follow that up with But wait a minute.

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.719
<v Speaker 5>We all reached out to the living president's teams and

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 5>nobody and they all said, not it. That part is

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 5>not going to get to that audience. And that is

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 5>a gift.

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>To the Louise Rule.

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 5>George Bush Republicans out there who were saying, you know,

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 5>he heard from another president. I'm sure it wasn't Barack Obama.

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure it wasn't Bill Clinton. It was probably George Bush.

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 5>You know, he's down there and he's down there in Texas.

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 5>He's his wonderful wife. She's a reader. He turned Trump

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 5>behind closed doors. Great job, right.

0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>God, you really do have a Republican mother. And it's

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>also right. I mean, it's what is both demented and

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>also very small about Trump.

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 5>There is because there knows that it.

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Will get repeated by the CBS's of the world in

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>a way that's not fact checked, and it will be

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>a little nod and a wink to those to that

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>group that is a sort of swingish, not really swingish.

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.239
<v Speaker 7>Or not, they're not swingish, but it's a group of

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 7>people who are looking for something to hold on to,

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 7>to say, look, this makes sense, right. So so like

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 7>my mom, who can talk about gas prices and food

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 7>prices until her head falls off like this obviously makes

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 7>it difficult because.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 5>Gas prices are up, food prices are signa rize. What

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 5>is she going to I haven't spoken to her in

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 5>last twenty of our hours, but what is she going

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 5>to hang on to? She's gonna say, I'm pretty sure

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 5>George Bush, because it was kind of Liza a week

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 5>and a half ago who said that she likes this idea.

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 5>I don't know how she feels today, but Louise Rule.

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 5>Will will will pull on those two strings, and that's

0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 5>get to be the lily pad that she floats on

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 5>to say, like, see, don't you go telling me like

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 5>he's out there doing something crazy nobody wants. George Bush

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 5>told him it was a good idea, and so the

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 5>president does this. But I will say this, like when

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 5>you said the CBS is of the world. Yes, but

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 5>at the same time, you've got Petegs who's mad at

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 5>the press. You've got Brendan carr is mad at the press,

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 5>the President who certainly is hot.

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Damn.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 5>Journalists are killing it right now. This weekend alone, just

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 5>last week, I mean, saw CBS do some great reporting,

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 5>but great retournal Washington Post, New York Times, I mean

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 5>the wallh Ret gneral reporters. I'm not sure when they

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 5>ate showered or bust their teeth. This weekend. The most

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 5>extraordinary thing to me, PETEGSF kicks everybody out of the

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 5>Pentagon Press Corps unless you unless you signed a document

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 5>that says we're only going to report on your press release,

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 5>We're only going to push your advertising. Right and the

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 5>last week exist and last, I don't like how my

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 5>double chin is looking which I feel that I don't

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 5>like how my double chin is looking. Let's get these

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 5>photographers out of here. While that is happening, you've got

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 5>calls from the inside, from the outside, from upside down,

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 5>from in the basement, calling reporters saying this is no bueno.

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no no.

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 5>The President knew the risks in Iran and did it

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 5>anyway right. Think about the jumbled communication last week about

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 5>the potential that we did unintentionally strike that girls' school

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 5>in Iran. Just think about how great the reporting is.

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 5>And every time I read another one of these well sourced,

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 5>super important stories, I feel grateful for all those journalists

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 5>doing it out there. Steph Rall, thank you, Thank you. Sister.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Berness is a staff writer at Foltz Magazine. Welcome

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Alex to Fast Politics.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great state of Wisconsin. Explain what the how

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>is going on?

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 6>Well, what I'm about to say might feel familiar to listeners,

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 6>because it feels like we've had so many world's most

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 6>important elections in Wisconsin for the state Supreme Court. At least,

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:19.879
<v Speaker 6>people will almost definitely remember in twenty twenty three when

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 6>liberals were trying to flip the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 6>it was fifty million dollars plus that was spent on

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 6>that race, and Janet Protoso, it's won that race and

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 6>she did flip it. And then last year we had

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 6>another race where Liberals were trying to defend one of

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 6>their seats. They needed to win this race in order

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 6>to maintain that four to three edge, and they did.

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 6>So here we are in twenty twenty six. The Wisconsin

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 6>State Supreme Court is a four to three advantage for liberals.

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 6>This has been a particularly big deal in the space

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 6>that I write most about, which is democracy and voting

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 6>rights and election administration. And one of the first moves

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 6>that this liberal majority did was to toss out some

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 6>pretty aggressive Republican state house jerrymanders that helped that party

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 6>stay in power for a long time there. And so

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.919
<v Speaker 6>in April and April seventh, there's going to be yet

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 6>another election for the Wisconsin Supreme Court. This time, the

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 6>seat that's coming open is one that is held currently

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 6>by a conservative justice, staying Rebecca Bradley. She's resigning, right, Yeah,

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.919
<v Speaker 6>she's decided not to seek re election. Okay, So where

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 6>does this leave conservatives they need to win that seat

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 6>just to stay in the four to three majority. Democrats,

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 6>on the other hand, have a chance here to go

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 6>on offense. If they win, they have a five to

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 6>two majority, which really seemed I mean, as of pretty

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 6>recently wild.

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 4>Right, It's totally wild.

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 6>I mean, we looked at it, and at least since

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 6>the nineteen seventies we can say there hasn't been a

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 6>liberal majority on this court of at least five seats,

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 6>so modern history, this would be unprecedented, and it would

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.879
<v Speaker 6>make this court. It would cement this court as one

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 6>with a liberal majority through at least twenty thirty, which

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 6>is an especially big deal if you consider, well, among

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 6>other things that are gonna happen between now and then,

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 6>we have a twenty twenty eight presidential cycle. So here's

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 6>a chance, long story short, for liberals to expand their

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 6>majority on this court and in so doing lock down

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 6>the majority through the next presidential cycle and even beyond.

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about this because it's important for any

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>number of reasons. If you think about Wisconsin, like this

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is the home of Ron and on Ron Johnson, like

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the most insane Zealodus senator. So it is really a

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>land of contradictions. There was another Supreme Court seed this

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>last election, the one we were just talking about, the

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 1>very expensive one. What we saw, which I think is

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>really interesting and I'd love for you to talk for

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>a minute about it, was that a guy called the

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk pretty much bored gazillions of dollars into that race.

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Democrats were able to run against Mosque. Can you just

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>talk about that dynamic, as I think that's interesting.

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, they did so.

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 6>I mentioned that the twenty twenty three race ended up

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 6>with more than fifty million dollars spent, which was easily

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 6>a record at the time. The twenty twenty five race,

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 6>the one that Musk decided to get involved in, almost

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 6>doubled that amount. We're talking about one hundred million dollar

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 6>plus elections. Completely wild, completely unprecedented.

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>You could just give people money with that much money,

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there aren't even that many people in Wisconsin,

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:41.240
<v Speaker 1>like just give them a path.

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you could do a lot of things with one

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 4>hundred million dollars.

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 4>And by the way, it didn't even particularly work.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 6>If anything, it probably worked in Liberal's favor because they

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.399
<v Speaker 6>were able to make him the face of this race.

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 6>I think you can read between the lines in how

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 6>the candidates are running this year. The concern candidate Maria

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 6>lazar who's a Court of Appeals judge. Her opponent, by

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.760
<v Speaker 6>the way, the liberal Chris Taylor, is also a judge

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 6>on the Wisconsin Court of Appeals. Lazarre, though she has

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 6>quite a conservative track record, including support from key figures

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 6>in Trump world, some of whom were important players in

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 6>efforts to overturn twenty twenty election results.

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 4>Despite that record, it's.

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 6>Really interesting if you go on her website, she doesn't

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 6>list any endorsements. And I mean when she ran for

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 6>the Court of Appeals set in twenty twenty two, she

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 6>was happy to list endorsements, including, like I said, for

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 6>people who had tried to overturn the twenty twenty election.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 6>So I think conservatives seem to have gotten the message.

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 6>I infer that anyway, that okay, if we tie ourselves

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 6>too much to MAGA, whether it's Musk or Trump or

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 6>just the movement itself, we're going to get creamed again

0:38:55.080 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 6>in this election. I mean, particularly in this year. If

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.120
<v Speaker 6>the blue wave that people expect comes to pass. So

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 6>there's no Musk this year. There also isn't anywhere close

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 6>whether from him or anybody else to the amount of

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 6>spending we've seen in twenty three and twenty five. And

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 6>that is no doubt a result of the fact that

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 6>the majority is not directly on the line. But that

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 6>doesn't mean that this is one to be slept on

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 6>just because the court doesn't have a chance of completely

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 6>flipping next month. This is a court that is guaranteed

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:31.959
<v Speaker 6>to hear really important cases in the years to come

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 6>on any of a number of potential topics, including redistricting, abortion,

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 6>labor rights, all voting rights is a huge one.

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:41.720
<v Speaker 4>You know, this one really matters.

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 6>And just because there isn't a ton of money, and

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 6>just because Elon Musk isn't flying into hold rallies, I

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 6>mean we still have to look at it the same way.

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about that cheese hat. Do you remember

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk with the cheese hat?

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 4>I do remember that?

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:59.959
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, my man, Elon Musk so likable, so human,

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 8>And I want you to talk about what else you're

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 8>watching in this hyperlocal map.

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 4>So this stuff really is local.

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 6>And the stuff that is on the line in this

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 6>election in Wisconsin and on this court can seem like

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 6>technical sort of nerdy stuff that has huge impacts and

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 6>that would give people well outside of Wisconsin a reason

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 6>to care. And I'll give you an example. You'd shouted

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 6>out Ron Johnson moments ago. Let's go back to twenty

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 6>twenty five, to that Lon Musk election. The conservative in

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 6>that race, the guy who lost was Brad Schimmel. Brad

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:41.479
<v Speaker 6>Shimmel had defended voter ID laws in Wisconsin, exceptionally harsh

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 6>voter ID laws in Wisconsin an example of a local

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 6>policy that the average listener here probably hasn't thought of

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 6>or doesn't even know exists. And he had touted proudly

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 6>not in this particular campaign he was running because judges

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.800
<v Speaker 6>tend to tighten up a bit when they're on the ballot,

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.399
<v Speaker 6>But before he was a candidate for the state's court,

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 6>had defended voter ide and touted it as a successful

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 6>tool for Republicans to hold onto power. And if you

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:09.360
<v Speaker 6>go back and look at some really interesting research that

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 6>was done out of the University of Wisconsin, it found

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 6>that voter ID laws there had successfully blocked thousands, like

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 6>twenty five thousand plus voters in Milwaukee and Madison, disproportionately

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:26.280
<v Speaker 6>super liberal areas and disproportionately black and low income voters

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:30.240
<v Speaker 6>from voting. That alone was enough to swing the twenty

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 6>sixteen election in Trump's favor. So that's the kind of

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 6>thing that this court and this state House are talking about.

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 6>These are things that are in active conversation and that

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 6>really matter, yes, locally, but then end up reverberating in

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 6>these humongous ways.

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I would love if we could talk just for a

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 1>minute or two about what else you're seeing in the

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 1>other sort of state in the run up to the midterms.

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 4>In Wisconsin or beyond beyond.

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 6>The thing it bolts is that we're interested in the

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 6>down ballot, and by that I mean virtually anything that

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 6>isn't federal, though we do keep an eye on that stuff.

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:10.359
<v Speaker 4>I'll name one thing.

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 6>You know, We're extremely interested in sheriffs, who have serious

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 6>power to be force multipliers or obstacles if they so

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 6>choose to Trump and the mass deportation plan. And we

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:28.840
<v Speaker 6>have seen across the country a surge of sheriff's offices

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 6>partnering with ICE to deputize local officers to act as

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 6>federal immigration enforcement agents. Just to give you a sense

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 6>of what I mean when I say that there's been

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 6>a surge when Trump came into office, there were one

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 6>hundred something about one hundred and thirty local offices who

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.680
<v Speaker 6>were partnered with ICE to do ICE as bidding on

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:53.360
<v Speaker 6>the ground. Now there's more than one thousand, three hundred.

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 6>The majority of these are in sheriff's offices, and the

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.760
<v Speaker 6>majority of the roughly three thousand sheriffs in this country

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 6>are elected. So I would encourage anybody who's interested in

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 6>ICE and in their local politics to check if you

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 6>have a sheriff on the ballot. There's a bunch that

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 6>we keep particularly close eyes on. I'm located in DC,

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 6>and for example, we have a guy, a Republican sheriff

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 6>in Frederick, Maryland, which is a blue leaning area that

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 6>has this Republican sheriff who's partnered with ICE. There's a

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 6>handful of people in that position too, sheriffs and Harris Counties,

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 6>counties that Harris carried, that is, who are Republicans partnered

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 6>with ICE. We're going to be interested in whether those

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 6>offices flip this year. But even beyond that, I expect

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 6>immigration to be a really important feature of local sheriff phrases.

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 6>And we could talk about a whole bunch of other

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 6>offices I'm just highlighting that one, but that's one that

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.360
<v Speaker 6>I'm guessing is under the radar for a lot of readers.

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 6>And i'd encourage you to check out Boltz's guides to

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 6>when your state and locality elects sheriffs and you know,

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 6>go from there, because there's a lot to watch.

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's a really easy you know, that's a

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>race that people don't think about much. It's not super expensive.

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it depends on where it is, but it's

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>not like as much as a congressional embrace, and sometimes

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 1>it just falls under the radar just because of people's distraction.

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 6>Right, Yeah, absolutely, And I think also because the mechanics

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 6>of the immigration enforcement system and of what ICE does

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.840
<v Speaker 6>can be hard to see and hard to understand. A

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 6>lot of this collaboration takes place literally behind closed doors,

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 6>behind locked doors, inside of jails, and you know, we

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 6>all see and can determine for ourselves how we feel

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 6>about you know, viral clips of ICE descending on Minneapolis

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 6>or even just random neighborhoods around town, you know, a

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 6>mile from where I live. We've had that happen here

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 6>in DC, pulling people from workplaces or intercepting them at

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 6>courthouses or at schools and like that's well documented and

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 6>that is important to watch dog. However, if you're ICE,

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 6>you have just this direct pipeline in local jails, which

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 6>in most cases are overseen by sheriffs, where you can

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 6>just scoop people up as they're being intercepted. So when

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 6>and where sheriffs are working with ICE in this way

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.359
<v Speaker 6>to say, hey, just so you know, on you know,

0:45:19.600 --> 0:45:21.919
<v Speaker 6>X date, this guy's going to get released, we can

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 6>hold him for an extra couple of days for you.

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Do you want to come get him? Like that's easy

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 4>money for ICE.

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 6>And on the other hand, when sheriffs decline to collaborate

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 6>in that way, it doesn't strip ICE, of course of

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 6>all of its potency, but that seriously inhibits how much

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 6>it can get done at the local level. And for

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 6>that reason, repeating myself here a bit, but for that reason,

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 6>those are offices that really really matter and that are

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 6>important to watch. Obviously, you know, in twenty twenty six,

0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 6>but you know, kind of always.

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that like Blue States are

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 1>doing are banning local contracts with ICE. Can you talk

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to us about that?

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, this is a fast moving thing where

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.799
<v Speaker 6>there are sixteen Democratic trifecta states, that is, states with

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 6>Democrats in charge of both chambers at the state House

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 6>and the governor's office, and we're up to a majority

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 6>of them ten. I believe that formally ban what's called

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 6>two eighty seven G agreements with ICE. These are two

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 6>eighty seven G is the program through which ICE deputizes

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 6>local officials to act on its behalf, which can mean

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 6>questioning people based on immigration status during normal interactions where

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 6>they wouldn't otherwise be empowered to do so. It can

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 6>mean collaboration like I was just talking about it at

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 6>jails where they'll detain people for a couple extra days

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 6>so ICE can come and scoop them. As much as

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 6>we're seeing red states on so many fronts, not just immigration,

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 6>I mean, gosh, writing about voting all the time. This

0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 6>is something I see all over the place in Republican

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 6>led states. But you know now basically signing up to

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 6>do Trump spidding and to sign off on the mega agenda.

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 6>As we see that, we are seeing examples of resistance

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 6>in blue states, and the two eighty seven G bands

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:13.280
<v Speaker 6>are a part of that. So I mentioned a second

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 6>ago there's ten out of the sixteen Democratic trifecta. States

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 6>now banned these two eighty seventy agreements. I mean that's

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 6>up from seven just a few weeks ago. Maine, Maryland,

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 6>New Mexico have all just recently passed these bands. Right

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 6>before you and I got on here, I was talking

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 6>to somebody in Virginia where they're considering limiting two eighty

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 6>seven g agreements.

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:33.400
<v Speaker 4>And that's important.

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean there's literally dozens of Virginia counties that are

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 6>signed up in this way to assist ICE, and thus

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 6>depending on what Virginia might pass here in the last

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.839
<v Speaker 6>few days of its session, we could see dozens of

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:47.720
<v Speaker 6>local ways in which ICE ends.

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 4>Up being, you know, limited.

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 6>So we do have a story about this movement, by

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 6>the way, a Bolts that went up pretty recently that

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 6>I wrote if people are interested in learning more. But yeah,

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.880
<v Speaker 6>there's been a lot of action in blue states lately

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 6>on the two eighty seven g front, and like I said,

0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 6>we might be saying some more soon.

0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Can you just do a minute for me on what's

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 1>happened with Massachusetts and ICE.

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 6>The Massachusetts situation is a particularly interesting one. I think

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 6>people who don't live in Massachusetts or don't follow that

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 6>state's politics closely, would know the very top line that

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 6>everybody knows about Massachusetts politics, which is this is just

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 6>a you know, soundly blue state. The idea of this

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 6>state putting in a presidential election for Trump is like

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 6>virtually unthinkable. But trump Ism lives in that state in

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 6>at least one significant way that I looked into recently,

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 6>which is that the Massachusetts Department of Correction still partners

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 6>with ICE through two eighty seven G. This means that

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 6>when non citizens are about to be released from prison,

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 6>Massachusetts is a matter of policy, funnels them directly into

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:55.280
<v Speaker 6>ICE's hands. These are people who have done their time,

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.399
<v Speaker 6>who in many cases, you know, even though they are

0:48:58.440 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 6>technically immigrants and they are not citizens, have lived in

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 6>the US virtually their whole lives, at least since since

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.040
<v Speaker 6>they were kids. You know, we talk about departments of

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 6>correction and you know, second chances and rehabilitation. I've talked

0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 6>to some of these men in Massachusetts who were victims

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 6>of this two eighty seven G program, who had completely

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 6>turned their lives around, and who had served time for

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 6>mistakes they'd made when they were much much younger.

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 4>But nevertheless, Massachusetts has this policy through two eighty seven

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 4>g of funneling people into ICE's hands when they leave

0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.800
<v Speaker 4>prison and what happens after that can be utterly tortuous.

0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 6>And some of these guys I've talked to, it's not

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 6>just like you know, ICE comes and gets to it,

0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 6>like your life is radically changed. They're funneled around to

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 6>various states that they've never been to. They'll spend I

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 6>talked to a guy who is in Massachusett prison for

0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 6>fifty plus years. On his release date, he gets intercepted

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:53.000
<v Speaker 6>by ICE because that's what the DOC does, hands people over,

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.399
<v Speaker 6>and he gets brought to Maine. Then they take him

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 6>out west for seven months. Then he gets put in

0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 6>a van and dumped in the middle of Mexico. He

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 6>knows nobody. He's not even Mexican, he's Cuban. So this

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<v Speaker 6>is what Massachusetts is facilitating. And earlier I'd talked about

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<v Speaker 6>how many states, how many Democratic trifecta states like Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 6>have taken steps, including recently to ban two eighty seven

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<v Speaker 6>geer agreements, to say this type of collaboration that the Massachusetts'

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<v Speaker 6>prisons are doing, we don't allow that here.

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<v Speaker 4>It is notable.

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<v Speaker 6>Thus that Massachusetts still has this on the books.

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<v Speaker 4>It is unique.

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<v Speaker 6>In fact, it is the only state that Harris carried

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<v Speaker 6>or there's a Democratic governor that has a state level

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<v Speaker 6>two eighty seven g agreement. And the Massachusetts prison system

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<v Speaker 6>fought me for months trying not to release data because

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<v Speaker 6>I was asking what is the impact of this program?

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<v Speaker 6>And I ended up having to go through some rounds

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<v Speaker 6>of appeals, and I won that fight and got some

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<v Speaker 6>data just recently, actually, a few days ago, that showed

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<v Speaker 6>that since two thousand and nine, across Democratic and Republican administrations,

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<v Speaker 6>Massachusetts is sent more than two thousand people directly into

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<v Speaker 6>ICE's hands from its state prisons.

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<v Speaker 4>So this BGRAHAM has not been a small deal.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not some minor detail that it remains on the books,

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<v Speaker 6>but it does. And Mori he Lee and legislative leaders

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<v Speaker 6>there have been pretty defensive of it.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm guessing it's not going anywhere for a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex, Alex, thank you. I hope you'll come back.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you having me on. I enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 1>There no moment, Jesse Cannon.

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<v Speaker 2>So Molly, let's just remember postmaster Joy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what happened to Joy?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the joy Lists every time I think of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny, funny guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right, That's what I'm here for. So

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<v Speaker 2>but now we have a Postmaster General, David Steiner, and

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<v Speaker 2>he has testified that this is the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>Postal Service as we know it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, they have to support themselves. This is one part

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<v Speaker 1>of the government that has to support itself. They are

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<v Speaker 1>borrowing and they're hitting the limit. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>we shall see this in the rest of the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government soon. Yes, which delivers to more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy million US addresses six days a week, has

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<v Speaker 1>a borrowing cap of fifteen million dollars and has already

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<v Speaker 1>hit that limit. If only they could just get some

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<v Speaker 1>money from Homeland Security. From Greg Bovino, who is retiring

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<v Speaker 1>at fifty five years old, do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think he's pursuing his career in his passion fashion?

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<v Speaker 1>I think Greg Vino is going to do a line

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<v Speaker 1>of Nazi clothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the world?

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<v Speaker 1>What would error jacket?

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<v Speaker 2>What would make you think he likes that stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, I don't know Greg Blevino. By the way, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he's only fifty five just blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>What also blew my mind is his middle day wasn't lockjaw?

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 1>What is his middle name?

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot, but it's Lockjaw.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway. The point is the way the post Office is

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<v Speaker 1>funded is totally for COCTA, and they should get a

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<v Speaker 1>line of credit from the federal government. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>should take all of that money that was allocated to

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<v Speaker 1>ice and use it for pay for things that we

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<v Speaker 1>should be paying for, like the mail.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they just also need to undo the retirement

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<v Speaker 2>funding for the Post Office and this would all be solved.

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