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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and a data for Progress. Paul found

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Speaker 1: that fifty two percent of Americans believe that President Trump

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Speaker 1: was motivated to take military action against Iran to distract

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Speaker 1: from the Epstein files. Wow, we have such a great

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Speaker 1: chow for you today. Emma's Now. Steph Rule stops by

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Speaker 1: to talk about Trump making up a story about an

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Speaker 1: ex president backing his war in the Middle East. Spoiler

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Speaker 1: there is then ex president is him. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Boltz Magazines Alex Burness about the Supreme Court election

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. It could be one of the year's most

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Speaker 1: important elections. But first, the news.

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Speaker 2: BII all the time the Trump administration tells on themselves,

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Speaker 2: says the quiet part out loud, But this one, I

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Speaker 2: want to enter it into the Greatest Hits album of

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Speaker 2: absolute Toewing on themselves quotes that truly I was laughing.

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Speaker 3: So but the fact is that the US economy is

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Speaker 3: fundamentally sound and that if it were to be extended

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Speaker 3: this it wouldn't really disrupt the US economy very much

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Speaker 3: have to do about that. But that's like really the

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Speaker 1: Kevin has to bally friend of the pod. Justin Wolfers

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Speaker 1: calls him happy happy Kevin, not.

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Speaker 2: To be confused with handsome Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Handsome Kevin. Happy Kevin is still happy. So he's saying

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Speaker 1: that they don't care the gas prices are going up.

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Speaker 1: This is from Donald J. Trump. Literally, all he did

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Speaker 2: Can I give you a gas price report from my corner.

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Speaker 2: It went up forty cents since our last episode two

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Speaker 1: In Brooklyn, a fifth of all oil and Jack goes

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Speaker 1: There's nothing in there except lots of minds and et cetera,

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth pointing out just for a minute

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Speaker 1: Trump is now just laser focused on not doing that

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Speaker 2: I don't think he should be happy anymore when there's

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Speaker 1: He should be anxious.

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Speaker 2: So by the big, big news that really shook everybody

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Speaker 2: Trump camp on foreign policy. Joe Kent worked as a

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Speaker 1: But Joe Kent has decided that Israel got this administration

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Speaker 1: The fact that Trump World then immediately went after him

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Speaker 2: it's like we could just predict this Steve Chung pattern

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Speaker 1: lot of our wars are now fought to cyber. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaking of these efforts, Trump has admitted that jd

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Speaker 2: Vance will target blue states in his fraud task force. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what they did in Minnesota. Right, Why

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, Molly Jong, how are you doing great? Overwhelmed.

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Speaker 5: There's so much news to cover. I mean, there's just

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Speaker 5: It really is about strategy, not even execution, because we've got,

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Speaker 1: No, the idea that this administration was an administration crafted

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Speaker 5: They're getting government contracts. There's lots of people that I

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: Last year, as devastating or as complicated or as problematic

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Speaker 5: every possible turn, those businesses, those foreign leaders were giving gifts, favors, presents,

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Speaker 5: We've got people betting day in and day out about

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Speaker 5: Lots of people have always gotten the ick over presidential

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Speaker 5: And so what I find interesting though, is now we're

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Speaker 1: So for all of.

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Speaker 5: These super wealthy people who are like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: What are they going to do? Build a moat around

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I think there was a fair amount

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Speaker 5: Welcome to trading one oh one. You've got guys who

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Speaker 5: that's like you don't, and so exactly like the second

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about the third order effect here. So

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Speaker 5: So you know, it's funny, like we'll see. It's hard

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Speaker 5: New Yorkers already pay a ton of money in taxes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 5: Like, guess what nobody is better at swan diving through

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Speaker 5: Try to get it okay, getting into private school, getting

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Speaker 5: What we are seeing is school of young people saying,

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Speaker 5: many of these young people aren't super radical, they're simply

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Speaker 5: saying this doesn't add up. When you grew up here,

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Speaker 5: I didn't, but you know, when I got out of school,

436
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Speaker 5: it was expensive. Young people moved to New York City,

437
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Speaker 5: like you moved to New York City and you didn't

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Speaker 5: have to donate plasma on your way home from work. Right,

439
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Speaker 5: there's always an expensive city.

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Speaker 1: Theoretically eventually by something.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but I mean even even as a renter, right,

442
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Speaker 5: like you could come to New York it was possible.

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Speaker 5: And now young people are saying it's simply not possible.

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Speaker 5: And Listen, there's lots of reasons people feel the way

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Speaker 5: they feel about Zora Mamdani. I'm just speaking economically. If

446
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Speaker 5: we do end up seeing major taxation, I think it's

447
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Speaker 5: going to have an impact. But between then this idea, right,

448
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Speaker 5: I think I think part of the narrative of people saying, look,

449
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Speaker 5: everybody's leaving in droves, I think it's being led by

450
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Speaker 5: like real estate brokers who sell properties in Greenwich. Like

451
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Speaker 5: I just I don't there's not evidence of it.

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to this idea of what's

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Speaker 1: happening right now with Trump because he knows what he's

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Speaker 1: doing is not popular. And I think he knows it

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Speaker 1: because any time he talks about the mid Trumps, he

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Speaker 1: talks about the Save Act. And I think that that

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Speaker 1: that his pivot to the Save Act is a real

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Speaker 1: case and point of why right. And we even hear

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Speaker 1: other Republicans say things like, you know, if we don't

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Speaker 1: pass the Save Act, debt da da da dead.

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Speaker 5: So just think about this. He's not trying to do

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Speaker 5: anything in terms of serving the American people, whether it's

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Speaker 5: on healthcare or the price of He literally is just.

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Speaker 1: Throwing the hail Mary pass No, No, no, no.

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Speaker 5: No, It's got to be the Save America Act because

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Speaker 5: I need to I need to suppress voting.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: Do I think he's devastated, I don't. I think the

469
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Speaker 5: Save Act is like his last ditch effort and he

470
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Speaker 5: doesn't want to get smoked in the midterms. However, however,

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's nearly as upset about it as

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Speaker 5: he would have been in Trump one point zero. I

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Speaker 5: had a chance to be the president. I had a

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Speaker 5: chance to see the president ago. I had the tribe,

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Speaker 5: and it's a privilege. I'm not complaining about it. I

476
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Speaker 5: had the privilege of going to the White House for

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Speaker 5: lunch on the day of the State of the Union,

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Speaker 5: and I would argue, one of the things settled, not

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Speaker 5: that I've Listen, you can feel however you feel about

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Speaker 5: the president, if you want to cover him getting a

481
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Speaker 5: front row seat and getting to spend an afternoon of them.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying, you know, we were sipping diet cokes,

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Speaker 5: having the same I'm not saying we had two straws

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Speaker 5: and one diet Coke. I'm not saying, you know, we've

485
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Speaker 5: played back Ammon in the in the in the in

486
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Speaker 5: the Lincoln bedroom, but if you want to cover the president,

487
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Speaker 5: getting to sit across from him and listen, listening to

488
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Speaker 5: him talk for three hours, it was to me there

489
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Speaker 5: was a huge value in it.

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Speaker 1: That's why I really still the leader of the free world.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to like him, but he has that correct.

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Speaker 5: But that's where I really started to see. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: this guy is in a gilded cage. Yeah, we can't.

494
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Speaker 5: We can't stress enough how much money he's making. Okay,

495
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Speaker 5: his family is now worth billions and billions of dollars.

496
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Speaker 5: Okay more than if you argue that his life here

497
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Speaker 5: of political hero is Vladimir Putin, look no further than

498
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Speaker 5: Trump's wealth, right, Vladimir Putin was once a KGB agent.

499
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Speaker 5: He now despite the fact that that Russia's economy has

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Speaker 5: been severely handicapped for years, He's one of the richest

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Speaker 5: people in the world. Trump could end up in that situation, right,

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Speaker 5: Don Junior and Eric. Look, Jared, Jared is in the

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Speaker 5: Middle East as a chieved negotiator while he's raising money

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Speaker 5: for his fund.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can't. You know, also, who doesn't invest in

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Speaker 1: that fund? He is making the policy that you can

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Speaker 1: this is it.

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Speaker 5: But this is it who doesn't invest in that fund.

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Speaker 5: He directly impacts everything at this point, and I just

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Speaker 5: to economy and he can yes, yes, So I'll just

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Speaker 5: go back to to is the president worried about the midterms? Sure,

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Speaker 5: but I don't think to the extent people. So he's like, yes,

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Speaker 5: let's get this Save America Act thing through so we

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Speaker 5: can make sure not enough people vote. But beyond that, girl,

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Speaker 5: he can just tune out because inside that wonderland at

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Speaker 5: the White House, he's got you know, scores of servers

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Speaker 5: there with his diet coke. He's got an entire administration

518
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Speaker 5: saying when did you get great at being perfect? And

519
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 5: then he heads down to mar A Lago where people

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Speaker 5: are saying, can I please pay five million dollars for

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Speaker 5: five minutes of your time? He likes that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It does seem like from yesterday's presser that where

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Speaker 1: he said he had talked to another president.

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Speaker 5: I was just about to say this girl, I was.

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Speaker 1: That he might be losing a step. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to get to.

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Speaker 5: He's in the presser and he's like, let me tell you.

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Speaker 5: I can't. I can't tell you which president it was.

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Speaker 5: You know it might be bad for him. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: But one president called me instead, I wish I did it.

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Speaker 4: You're doing it.

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Speaker 5: I wish I did it right. And within minutes Bill

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Speaker 5: Clinton not me, right, Barack Obama not my team? George went,

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Speaker 5: don't they get me to call him from our squad?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 5: What is like? Like who are in saying?

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Speaker 6: Called you?

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Speaker 1: Bo?

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Speaker 5: Like like like I'm sorry, what what are are you

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Speaker 5: talking about? But guess what the president says that that

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Speaker 5: sound bite gets clipped, and there are without a doubt

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Speaker 5: news organizations that are now going to push to their audience.

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Speaker 5: A former president called him and said it was a

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Speaker 5: good idea, okay, and those same news organizations are not

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Speaker 5: going to follow that up with But wait a minute.

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Speaker 5: We all reached out to the living president's teams and

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Speaker 5: nobody and they all said, not it. That part is

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Speaker 5: not going to get to that audience. And that is

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Speaker 5: a gift.

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Speaker 1: To the Louise Rule.

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Speaker 5: George Bush Republicans out there who were saying, you know,

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Speaker 5: he heard from another president. I'm sure it wasn't Barack Obama.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it wasn't Bill Clinton. It was probably George Bush.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's down there and he's down there in Texas.

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Speaker 5: He's his wonderful wife. She's a reader. He turned Trump

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Speaker 5: behind closed doors. Great job, right.

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Speaker 1: God, you really do have a Republican mother. And it's

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Speaker 1: also right. I mean, it's what is both demented and

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Speaker 1: also very small about Trump.

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Speaker 5: There is because there knows that it.

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Speaker 1: Will get repeated by the CBS's of the world in

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Speaker 1: a way that's not fact checked, and it will be

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Speaker 1: a little nod and a wink to those to that

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Speaker 1: group that is a sort of swingish, not really swingish.

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Speaker 7: Or not, they're not swingish, but it's a group of

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Speaker 7: people who are looking for something to hold on to,

567
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Speaker 7: to say, look, this makes sense, right. So so like

568
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Speaker 7: my mom, who can talk about gas prices and food

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Speaker 7: prices until her head falls off like this obviously makes

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Speaker 7: it difficult because.

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Speaker 5: Gas prices are up, food prices are signa rize. What

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Speaker 5: is she going to I haven't spoken to her in

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Speaker 5: last twenty of our hours, but what is she going

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Speaker 5: to hang on to? She's gonna say, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 5: George Bush, because it was kind of Liza a week

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Speaker 5: and a half ago who said that she likes this idea.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how she feels today, but Louise Rule.

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Speaker 5: Will will will pull on those two strings, and that's

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Speaker 5: get to be the lily pad that she floats on

581
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Speaker 5: to say, like, see, don't you go telling me like

582
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Speaker 5: he's out there doing something crazy nobody wants. George Bush

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Speaker 5: told him it was a good idea, and so the

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Speaker 5: president does this. But I will say this, like when

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Speaker 5: you said the CBS is of the world. Yes, but

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Speaker 5: at the same time, you've got Petegs who's mad at

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Speaker 5: the press. You've got Brendan carr is mad at the press,

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Speaker 5: the President who certainly is hot.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 5: Journalists are killing it right now. This weekend alone, just

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Speaker 5: last week, I mean, saw CBS do some great reporting,

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Speaker 5: but great retournal Washington Post, New York Times, I mean

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Speaker 5: the wallh Ret gneral reporters. I'm not sure when they

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Speaker 5: ate showered or bust their teeth. This weekend. The most

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Speaker 5: extraordinary thing to me, PETEGSF kicks everybody out of the

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Speaker 5: Pentagon Press Corps unless you unless you signed a document

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Speaker 5: that says we're only going to report on your press release,

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Speaker 5: We're only going to push your advertising. Right and the

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Speaker 5: last week exist and last, I don't like how my

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Speaker 5: double chin is looking which I feel that I don't

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Speaker 5: like how my double chin is looking. Let's get these

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Speaker 5: photographers out of here. While that is happening, you've got

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Speaker 5: calls from the inside, from the outside, from upside down,

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Speaker 5: from in the basement, calling reporters saying this is no bueno.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no no.

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Speaker 5: The President knew the risks in Iran and did it

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Speaker 5: anyway right. Think about the jumbled communication last week about

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Speaker 5: the potential that we did unintentionally strike that girls' school

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Speaker 5: in Iran. Just think about how great the reporting is.

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Speaker 5: And every time I read another one of these well sourced,

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Speaker 5: super important stories, I feel grateful for all those journalists

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Speaker 5: doing it out there. Steph Rall, thank you, Thank you. Sister.

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Speaker 1: Alex Berness is a staff writer at Foltz Magazine. Welcome

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Speaker 1: Alex to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's a great state of Wisconsin. Explain what the how

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Speaker 1: is going on?

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Speaker 6: Well, what I'm about to say might feel familiar to listeners,

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Speaker 6: because it feels like we've had so many world's most

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Speaker 6: important elections in Wisconsin for the state Supreme Court. At least,

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Speaker 6: people will almost definitely remember in twenty twenty three when

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Speaker 6: liberals were trying to flip the Wisconsin Supreme Court, and

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Speaker 6: it was fifty million dollars plus that was spent on

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Speaker 6: that race, and Janet Protoso, it's won that race and

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Speaker 6: she did flip it. And then last year we had

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Speaker 6: another race where Liberals were trying to defend one of

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Speaker 6: their seats. They needed to win this race in order

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Speaker 6: to maintain that four to three edge, and they did.

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Speaker 6: So here we are in twenty twenty six. The Wisconsin

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Speaker 6: State Supreme Court is a four to three advantage for liberals.

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Speaker 6: This has been a particularly big deal in the space

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Speaker 6: that I write most about, which is democracy and voting

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Speaker 6: rights and election administration. And one of the first moves

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Speaker 6: that this liberal majority did was to toss out some

635
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Speaker 6: pretty aggressive Republican state house jerrymanders that helped that party

636
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Speaker 6: stay in power for a long time there. And so

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Speaker 6: in April and April seventh, there's going to be yet

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Speaker 6: another election for the Wisconsin Supreme Court. This time, the

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Speaker 6: seat that's coming open is one that is held currently

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Speaker 6: by a conservative justice, staying Rebecca Bradley. She's resigning, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: she's decided not to seek re election. Okay, So where

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Speaker 6: does this leave conservatives they need to win that seat

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Speaker 6: just to stay in the four to three majority. Democrats,

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Speaker 6: on the other hand, have a chance here to go

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Speaker 6: on offense. If they win, they have a five to

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Speaker 6: two majority, which really seemed I mean, as of pretty

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Speaker 6: recently wild.

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Speaker 4: Right, It's totally wild.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we looked at it, and at least since

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Speaker 6: the nineteen seventies we can say there hasn't been a

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Speaker 6: liberal majority on this court of at least five seats,

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Speaker 6: so modern history, this would be unprecedented, and it would

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Speaker 6: make this court. It would cement this court as one

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Speaker 6: with a liberal majority through at least twenty thirty, which

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Speaker 6: is an especially big deal if you consider, well, among

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Speaker 6: other things that are gonna happen between now and then,

657
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Speaker 6: we have a twenty twenty eight presidential cycle. So here's

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Speaker 6: a chance, long story short, for liberals to expand their

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Speaker 6: majority on this court and in so doing lock down

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Speaker 6: the majority through the next presidential cycle and even beyond.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this because it's important for any

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Speaker 1: number of reasons. If you think about Wisconsin, like this

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Speaker 1: is the home of Ron and on Ron Johnson, like

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Speaker 1: the most insane Zealodus senator. So it is really a

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Speaker 1: land of contradictions. There was another Supreme Court seed this

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Speaker 1: last election, the one we were just talking about, the

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Speaker 1: very expensive one. What we saw, which I think is

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Speaker 1: really interesting and I'd love for you to talk for

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Speaker 1: a minute about it, was that a guy called the

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk pretty much bored gazillions of dollars into that race.

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Speaker 1: Democrats were able to run against Mosque. Can you just

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Speaker 1: talk about that dynamic, as I think that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: Well, they did so.

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Speaker 6: I mentioned that the twenty twenty three race ended up

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Speaker 6: with more than fifty million dollars spent, which was easily

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Speaker 6: a record at the time. The twenty twenty five race,

677
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Speaker 6: the one that Musk decided to get involved in, almost

678
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Speaker 6: doubled that amount. We're talking about one hundred million dollar

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Speaker 6: plus elections. Completely wild, completely unprecedented.

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Speaker 1: You could just give people money with that much money,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there aren't even that many people in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: like just give them a path.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you could do a lot of things with one

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Speaker 4: hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, it didn't even particularly work.

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Speaker 6: If anything, it probably worked in Liberal's favor because they

688
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Speaker 6: were able to make him the face of this race.

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Speaker 6: I think you can read between the lines in how

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Speaker 6: the candidates are running this year. The concern candidate Maria

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Speaker 6: lazar who's a Court of Appeals judge. Her opponent, by

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Speaker 6: the way, the liberal Chris Taylor, is also a judge

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Speaker 6: on the Wisconsin Court of Appeals. Lazarre, though she has

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Speaker 6: quite a conservative track record, including support from key figures

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Speaker 6: in Trump world, some of whom were important players in

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Speaker 6: efforts to overturn twenty twenty election results.

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Speaker 4: Despite that record, it's.

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Speaker 6: Really interesting if you go on her website, she doesn't

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Speaker 6: list any endorsements. And I mean when she ran for

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Speaker 6: the Court of Appeals set in twenty twenty two, she

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Speaker 6: was happy to list endorsements, including, like I said, for

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Speaker 6: people who had tried to overturn the twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 6: So I think conservatives seem to have gotten the message.

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Speaker 6: I infer that anyway, that okay, if we tie ourselves

705
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Speaker 6: too much to MAGA, whether it's Musk or Trump or

706
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Speaker 6: just the movement itself, we're going to get creamed again

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Speaker 6: in this election. I mean, particularly in this year. If

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Speaker 6: the blue wave that people expect comes to pass. So

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Speaker 6: there's no Musk this year. There also isn't anywhere close

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Speaker 6: whether from him or anybody else to the amount of

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Speaker 6: spending we've seen in twenty three and twenty five. And

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Speaker 6: that is no doubt a result of the fact that

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Speaker 6: the majority is not directly on the line. But that

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Speaker 6: doesn't mean that this is one to be slept on

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Speaker 6: just because the court doesn't have a chance of completely

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Speaker 6: flipping next month. This is a court that is guaranteed

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Speaker 6: to hear really important cases in the years to come

718
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Speaker 6: on any of a number of potential topics, including redistricting, abortion,

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Speaker 6: labor rights, all voting rights is a huge one.

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Speaker 4: You know, this one really matters.

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Speaker 6: And just because there isn't a ton of money, and

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Speaker 6: just because Elon Musk isn't flying into hold rallies, I

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Speaker 6: mean we still have to look at it the same way.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about that cheese hat. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk with the cheese hat?

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Speaker 4: I do remember that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, my man, Elon Musk so likable, so human,

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Speaker 8: And I want you to talk about what else you're

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Speaker 8: watching in this hyperlocal map.

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Speaker 4: So this stuff really is local.

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Speaker 6: And the stuff that is on the line in this

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Speaker 6: election in Wisconsin and on this court can seem like

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Speaker 6: technical sort of nerdy stuff that has huge impacts and

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Speaker 6: that would give people well outside of Wisconsin a reason

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Speaker 6: to care. And I'll give you an example. You'd shouted

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Speaker 6: out Ron Johnson moments ago. Let's go back to twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty five, to that Lon Musk election. The conservative in

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Speaker 6: that race, the guy who lost was Brad Schimmel. Brad

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Speaker 6: Shimmel had defended voter ID laws in Wisconsin, exceptionally harsh

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Speaker 6: voter ID laws in Wisconsin an example of a local

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Speaker 6: policy that the average listener here probably hasn't thought of

742
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Speaker 6: or doesn't even know exists. And he had touted proudly

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Speaker 6: not in this particular campaign he was running because judges

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Speaker 6: tend to tighten up a bit when they're on the ballot,

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Speaker 6: But before he was a candidate for the state's court,

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Speaker 6: had defended voter ide and touted it as a successful

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Speaker 6: tool for Republicans to hold onto power. And if you

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Speaker 6: go back and look at some really interesting research that

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Speaker 6: was done out of the University of Wisconsin, it found

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Speaker 6: that voter ID laws there had successfully blocked thousands, like

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Speaker 6: twenty five thousand plus voters in Milwaukee and Madison, disproportionately

752
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Speaker 6: super liberal areas and disproportionately black and low income voters

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Speaker 6: from voting. That alone was enough to swing the twenty

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Speaker 6: sixteen election in Trump's favor. So that's the kind of

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Speaker 6: thing that this court and this state House are talking about.

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Speaker 6: These are things that are in active conversation and that

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Speaker 6: really matter, yes, locally, but then end up reverberating in

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Speaker 6: these humongous ways.

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Speaker 1: I would love if we could talk just for a

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Speaker 1: minute or two about what else you're seeing in the

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Speaker 1: other sort of state in the run up to the midterms.

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Speaker 4: In Wisconsin or beyond beyond.

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Speaker 6: The thing it bolts is that we're interested in the

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Speaker 6: down ballot, and by that I mean virtually anything that

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Speaker 6: isn't federal, though we do keep an eye on that stuff.

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Speaker 4: I'll name one thing.

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Speaker 6: You know, We're extremely interested in sheriffs, who have serious

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Speaker 6: power to be force multipliers or obstacles if they so

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Speaker 6: choose to Trump and the mass deportation plan. And we

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Speaker 6: have seen across the country a surge of sheriff's offices

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Speaker 6: partnering with ICE to deputize local officers to act as

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Speaker 6: federal immigration enforcement agents. Just to give you a sense

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Speaker 6: of what I mean when I say that there's been

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Speaker 6: a surge when Trump came into office, there were one

775
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Speaker 6: hundred something about one hundred and thirty local offices who

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Speaker 6: were partnered with ICE to do ICE as bidding on

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Speaker 6: the ground. Now there's more than one thousand, three hundred.

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Speaker 6: The majority of these are in sheriff's offices, and the

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Speaker 6: majority of the roughly three thousand sheriffs in this country

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Speaker 6: are elected. So I would encourage anybody who's interested in

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Speaker 6: ICE and in their local politics to check if you

782
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 6: have a sheriff on the ballot. There's a bunch that

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Speaker 6: we keep particularly close eyes on. I'm located in DC,

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Speaker 6: and for example, we have a guy, a Republican sheriff

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Speaker 6: in Frederick, Maryland, which is a blue leaning area that

786
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Speaker 6: has this Republican sheriff who's partnered with ICE. There's a

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Speaker 6: handful of people in that position too, sheriffs and Harris Counties,

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Speaker 6: counties that Harris carried, that is, who are Republicans partnered

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Speaker 6: with ICE. We're going to be interested in whether those

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Speaker 6: offices flip this year. But even beyond that, I expect

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Speaker 6: immigration to be a really important feature of local sheriff phrases.

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Speaker 6: And we could talk about a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 6: offices I'm just highlighting that one, but that's one that

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Speaker 6: I'm guessing is under the radar for a lot of readers.

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Speaker 6: And i'd encourage you to check out Boltz's guides to

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Speaker 6: when your state and locality elects sheriffs and you know,

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Speaker 6: go from there, because there's a lot to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a really easy you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: race that people don't think about much. It's not super expensive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on where it is, but it's

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Speaker 1: not like as much as a congressional embrace, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: it just falls under the radar just because of people's distraction.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, absolutely, And I think also because the mechanics

804
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Speaker 6: of the immigration enforcement system and of what ICE does

805
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 6: can be hard to see and hard to understand. A

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Speaker 6: lot of this collaboration takes place literally behind closed doors,

807
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Speaker 6: behind locked doors, inside of jails, and you know, we

808
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Speaker 6: all see and can determine for ourselves how we feel

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Speaker 6: about you know, viral clips of ICE descending on Minneapolis

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Speaker 6: or even just random neighborhoods around town, you know, a

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Speaker 6: mile from where I live. We've had that happen here

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Speaker 6: in DC, pulling people from workplaces or intercepting them at

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Speaker 6: courthouses or at schools and like that's well documented and

814
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Speaker 6: that is important to watch dog. However, if you're ICE,

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Speaker 6: you have just this direct pipeline in local jails, which

816
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 6: in most cases are overseen by sheriffs, where you can

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Speaker 6: just scoop people up as they're being intercepted. So when

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Speaker 6: and where sheriffs are working with ICE in this way

819
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Speaker 6: to say, hey, just so you know, on you know,

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Speaker 6: X date, this guy's going to get released, we can

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Speaker 6: hold him for an extra couple of days for you.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to come get him? Like that's easy

823
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Speaker 4: money for ICE.

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Speaker 6: And on the other hand, when sheriffs decline to collaborate

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Speaker 6: in that way, it doesn't strip ICE, of course of

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Speaker 6: all of its potency, but that seriously inhibits how much

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Speaker 6: it can get done at the local level. And for

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Speaker 6: that reason, repeating myself here a bit, but for that reason,

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Speaker 6: those are offices that really really matter and that are

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Speaker 6: important to watch. Obviously, you know, in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 6: but you know, kind of always.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that like Blue States are

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Speaker 1: doing are banning local contracts with ICE. Can you talk

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Speaker 1: to us about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, this is a fast moving thing where

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Speaker 6: there are sixteen Democratic trifecta states, that is, states with

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Speaker 6: Democrats in charge of both chambers at the state House

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Speaker 6: and the governor's office, and we're up to a majority

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Speaker 6: of them ten. I believe that formally ban what's called

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Speaker 6: two eighty seven G agreements with ICE. These are two

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Speaker 6: eighty seven G is the program through which ICE deputizes

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Speaker 6: local officials to act on its behalf, which can mean

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Speaker 6: questioning people based on immigration status during normal interactions where

844
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Speaker 6: they wouldn't otherwise be empowered to do so. It can

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Speaker 6: mean collaboration like I was just talking about it at

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Speaker 6: jails where they'll detain people for a couple extra days

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Speaker 6: so ICE can come and scoop them. As much as

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Speaker 6: we're seeing red states on so many fronts, not just immigration,

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Speaker 6: I mean, gosh, writing about voting all the time. This

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Speaker 6: is something I see all over the place in Republican

851
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Speaker 6: led states. But you know now basically signing up to

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Speaker 6: do Trump spidding and to sign off on the mega agenda.

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Speaker 6: As we see that, we are seeing examples of resistance

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Speaker 6: in blue states, and the two eighty seven G bands

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Speaker 6: are a part of that. So I mentioned a second

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Speaker 6: ago there's ten out of the sixteen Democratic trifecta. States

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Speaker 6: now banned these two eighty seventy agreements. I mean that's

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Speaker 6: up from seven just a few weeks ago. Maine, Maryland,

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Speaker 6: New Mexico have all just recently passed these bands. Right

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Speaker 6: before you and I got on here, I was talking

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Speaker 6: to somebody in Virginia where they're considering limiting two eighty

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Speaker 6: seven g agreements.

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Speaker 4: And that's important.

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Speaker 6: I mean there's literally dozens of Virginia counties that are

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Speaker 6: signed up in this way to assist ICE, and thus

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Speaker 6: depending on what Virginia might pass here in the last

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Speaker 6: few days of its session, we could see dozens of

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Speaker 6: local ways in which ICE ends.

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Speaker 4: Up being, you know, limited.

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Speaker 6: So we do have a story about this movement, by

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Speaker 6: the way, a Bolts that went up pretty recently that

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Speaker 6: I wrote if people are interested in learning more. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's been a lot of action in blue states lately

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Speaker 6: on the two eighty seven g front, and like I said,

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Speaker 6: we might be saying some more soon.

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Speaker 1: Can you just do a minute for me on what's

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Speaker 1: happened with Massachusetts and ICE.

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Speaker 6: The Massachusetts situation is a particularly interesting one. I think

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Speaker 6: people who don't live in Massachusetts or don't follow that

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Speaker 6: state's politics closely, would know the very top line that

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Speaker 6: everybody knows about Massachusetts politics, which is this is just

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Speaker 6: a you know, soundly blue state. The idea of this

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Speaker 6: state putting in a presidential election for Trump is like

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Speaker 6: virtually unthinkable. But trump Ism lives in that state in

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Speaker 6: at least one significant way that I looked into recently,

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Speaker 6: which is that the Massachusetts Department of Correction still partners

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Speaker 6: with ICE through two eighty seven G. This means that

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Speaker 6: when non citizens are about to be released from prison,

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Speaker 6: Massachusetts is a matter of policy, funnels them directly into

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Speaker 6: ICE's hands. These are people who have done their time,

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Speaker 6: who in many cases, you know, even though they are

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Speaker 6: technically immigrants and they are not citizens, have lived in

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Speaker 6: the US virtually their whole lives, at least since since

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Speaker 6: they were kids. You know, we talk about departments of

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Speaker 6: correction and you know, second chances and rehabilitation. I've talked

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Speaker 6: to some of these men in Massachusetts who were victims

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Speaker 6: of this two eighty seven G program, who had completely

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Speaker 6: turned their lives around, and who had served time for

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Speaker 6: mistakes they'd made when they were much much younger.

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Speaker 4: But nevertheless, Massachusetts has this policy through two eighty seven

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Speaker 4: g of funneling people into ICE's hands when they leave

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Speaker 4: prison and what happens after that can be utterly tortuous.

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Speaker 6: And some of these guys I've talked to, it's not

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Speaker 6: just like you know, ICE comes and gets to it,

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Speaker 6: like your life is radically changed. They're funneled around to

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Speaker 6: various states that they've never been to. They'll spend I

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Speaker 6: talked to a guy who is in Massachusett prison for

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Speaker 6: fifty plus years. On his release date, he gets intercepted

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Speaker 6: by ICE because that's what the DOC does, hands people over,

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Speaker 6: and he gets brought to Maine. Then they take him

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Speaker 6: out west for seven months. Then he gets put in

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Speaker 6: a van and dumped in the middle of Mexico. He

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Speaker 6: knows nobody. He's not even Mexican, he's Cuban. So this

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Speaker 6: is what Massachusetts is facilitating. And earlier I'd talked about

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Speaker 6: how many states, how many Democratic trifecta states like Massachusetts

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Speaker 6: have taken steps, including recently to ban two eighty seven

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Speaker 6: geer agreements, to say this type of collaboration that the Massachusetts'

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Speaker 6: prisons are doing, we don't allow that here.

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Speaker 4: It is notable.

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Speaker 6: Thus that Massachusetts still has this on the books.

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Speaker 4: It is unique.

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Speaker 6: In fact, it is the only state that Harris carried

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Speaker 6: or there's a Democratic governor that has a state level

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Speaker 6: two eighty seven g agreement. And the Massachusetts prison system

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Speaker 6: fought me for months trying not to release data because

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Speaker 6: I was asking what is the impact of this program?

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Speaker 6: And I ended up having to go through some rounds

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Speaker 6: of appeals, and I won that fight and got some

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Speaker 6: data just recently, actually, a few days ago, that showed

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Speaker 6: that since two thousand and nine, across Democratic and Republican administrations,

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Speaker 6: Massachusetts is sent more than two thousand people directly into

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Speaker 6: ICE's hands from its state prisons.

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Speaker 4: So this BGRAHAM has not been a small deal.

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Speaker 6: It's not some minor detail that it remains on the books,

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Speaker 6: but it does. And Mori he Lee and legislative leaders

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Speaker 6: there have been pretty defensive of it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm guessing it's not going anywhere for a bit.

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Speaker 1: Alex, Alex, thank you. I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: There no moment, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: So Molly, let's just remember postmaster Joy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to Joy?

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Speaker 2: I feel the joy Lists every time I think of him.

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Speaker 1: Funny, funny guy.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, That's what I'm here for. So

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Speaker 2: but now we have a Postmaster General, David Steiner, and

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Speaker 2: he has testified that this is the end of the

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Speaker 2: Postal Service as we know it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Look, they have to support themselves. This is one part

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Speaker 1: of the government that has to support itself. They are

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Speaker 1: borrowing and they're hitting the limit. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: we shall see this in the rest of the federal

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Speaker 1: government soon. Yes, which delivers to more than one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy million US addresses six days a week, has

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Speaker 1: a borrowing cap of fifteen million dollars and has already

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Speaker 1: hit that limit. If only they could just get some

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Speaker 1: money from Homeland Security. From Greg Bovino, who is retiring

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Speaker 1: at fifty five years old, do you.

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Speaker 2: Think he's pursuing his career in his passion fashion?

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Speaker 1: I think Greg Vino is going to do a line

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Speaker 1: of Nazi clothing.

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Speaker 2: Right the world?

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Speaker 1: What would error jacket?

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Speaker 2: What would make you think he likes that stuff?

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Speaker 1: Boy, I don't know Greg Blevino. By the way, the

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Speaker 1: fact that he's only fifty five just blew my mind.

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Speaker 2: What also blew my mind is his middle day wasn't lockjaw?

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Speaker 1: What is his middle name?

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Speaker 2: I forgot, but it's Lockjaw.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. The point is the way the post Office is

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Speaker 1: funded is totally for COCTA, and they should get a

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Speaker 1: line of credit from the federal government. And then we

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Speaker 1: should take all of that money that was allocated to

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Speaker 1: ice and use it for pay for things that we

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Speaker 1: should be paying for, like the mail.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just also need to undo the retirement

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Speaker 2: funding for the Post Office and this would all be solved.

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