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Speaker 1: passing one time of possession twenty five to seventeen first downs.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mahomes had a pick six and did not

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have the consistent pass rush or

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Speaker 1: I think Kansas City, outside of those teams, is the

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Speaker 1: Mahomes would have a pick six, and it was in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Which is not worth much, but it was worth something.

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Speaker 1: I really liked Kansas City tonight. I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: They passed for over three hundred yards tonight. I thought

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Speaker 1: Mahomes was magical. Twenty eight to thirty seven, three hundred

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell to do with Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: They were fantastic.

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Speaker 3: But that was on Todd Bowles called an incredible blitz.

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Speaker 1: Remember a couple of years ago, of course you do.

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Speaker 3: I would say the same thing about JSN also happened

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Speaker 3: They get open every single play. Elite players, elite character

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Speaker 3: Now look at Sam. Now we talk about the Jets

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Speaker 3: I've never lived there like you, but it's just an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Baker, the media and Tampa is more supportive. Is

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Speaker 1: hundred and nine with it. Gambling problem called one eight

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Speaker 1: hundred Gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Colts, Speed the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: This was my favorite pick of the week. Got this

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Speaker 1: one forty to six Colt speed the Raiders. I will

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Speaker 1: die on this hill. I think the Colts have a

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Speaker 1: top six roster in the league. I love their offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I think they have stars. I don't care if it's

436
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Speaker 1: Pittman Warren. Jonathan Taylor's outstanding. He just doesn't. He's not

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Speaker 1: a know Saquon Barkley is. You know, you get these

438
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Speaker 1: running stylistically, they pop. And Jonathan Taylor was always just

439
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Speaker 1: a speed guy out of college. He wasn't shifty. He

440
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, like track guy. Just oh behind that

441
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Speaker 1: offensive line. I swear to God, John Like, it's just

442
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Speaker 1: he three yards before he gets touched. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what Pete Carroll's fascination. That's nine picks and six games

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Speaker 1: for Gino in his last six games. I think it's

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Speaker 1: something like that. Six touchdowns and nine picks this year.

446
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Speaker 1: Six touchdowns, nine picks for Gino. That is the Geno

447
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Speaker 1: comeback Story's over. It's the opposite of what Pete Carroll likes.

448
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: He is so much about clean football. Run, run the game,

449
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Speaker 1: run the ball. I think the Raiders are just a

450
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Speaker 1: big work in progress. When Colton Miller gets hurt O line,

451
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Speaker 1: it's just one of the worst five in the league.

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Speaker 1: But you look at the Colts. I mean the Chiefs

453
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Speaker 1: will brib beat the Jags tomorrow? I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: look at the Colts like I look at Tampa. Now,

455
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Speaker 1: Baker's better than Daniel Joe Ownes, but coaches who some

456
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Speaker 1: people started doubting, you know, like stiking with Anthony Richardson.

457
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Speaker 1: Oh Stichen's lost his magic. But that Tampa roster when healthy,

458
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Speaker 1: that Colt roster, I know, they're a middle of the country,

459
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Speaker 1: flyover country. I think the culture good, I really do.

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Speaker 3: DJ had to pass a touchdown where he rolled out

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Speaker 3: and everyone's gonna be it's the Raiders. It's not about

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Speaker 3: the opponent. Where he was just on the move guy

463
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Speaker 3: in the back of the end zone. He split it

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Speaker 3: through a defender. You know, I've always compared him to

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Speaker 3: Alex Smith. He's got a better arm than Alex Smith,

466
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Speaker 3: no question. His arm actually is better than I thought.

467
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Speaker 3: And sometimes it just takes you with a credible offense

468
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Speaker 3: to really get to see that arm talent. It's pretty

469
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Speaker 3: You watch Baker and Samuel like these guys can sling it.

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Speaker 3: You're watching Daniel Jones in twenty twenty five, I would

471
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Speaker 3: have said forever. He's got an average to below average arm,

472
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Speaker 3: Like his arm is more than strong enough. He's not

473
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Speaker 3: Josh Allen, but it's he's he's even that thing in there,

474
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Speaker 3: and I'm a big guy to me. The Warren pick

475
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Speaker 3: looks fantastic. He has been easily one of the best

476
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Speaker 3: rookies in the league. I mean, obviously the Raiders are bad,

477
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Speaker 3: but I would say the Colts, John, I think the

478
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Speaker 3: Colts can win a playoff game. I mean, I think

479
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Speaker 3: the Colts can be a factor in the AFC, especially

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Speaker 3: now it's definitely opening more up right.

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Speaker 1: They are the most efficient offense in the league. They

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Speaker 1: went eight for ten on third down, so they become

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Speaker 1: an incredibly efficient offense. John, They had the ball only

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Speaker 1: twenty six minutes. They scored forty points. No offense in

485
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Speaker 1: this league is more efficient.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Going into the Rams game, Daniel Jones is twenty to

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Speaker 1: twenty nine. So it's like we look at Baker and Sam.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really the store this year is the

490
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Speaker 1: story of redemption. I mean, Baker leads his division. Sam's great.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, it's.

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Speaker 3: I do wonder if you've got Shane Stike in over

493
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Speaker 3: cocktails and Ballard if they knew, like when they truly

494
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Speaker 3: was it a week into training camp?

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Speaker 2: This isn't even a close competition? Did they know before

496
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Speaker 2: training camp? Just base?

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Speaker 1: I think they did. I had listen. I was talking

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Speaker 1: to Steve Kime about a year ago and we were

499
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Speaker 1: out and I said, what do you make Anthony Richardson?

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Speaker 1: And Steve Steve said, man, Colin, he said, you got

501
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Speaker 1: to be able to hit those layups in the flat

502
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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, I looked at some of

503
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Speaker 1: the film and he's like, you know, if anybody can

504
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Speaker 1: do it, Shane Steiken can fix it. But Kyme and

505
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Speaker 1: I were talking about it, and he just said, you know,

506
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Speaker 1: if you have to work on that stuff, if you're

507
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Speaker 1: spending a lot of practice time on that stuff, it's

508
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Speaker 1: really hard. And and because you know generally with with

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Speaker 1: with Baker, you're you're dealing with high end stuff. Baker

510
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Speaker 1: solved all that stuff. With Baker, it's it can be

511
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Speaker 1: concepts and defense. You're not worried about the layup stuff.

512
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Speaker 1: So and then I talked to somebody else at GM,

513
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Speaker 1: an active GM in the league, and he echoed, what

514
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Speaker 1: what Steve Kim told me. It's just like gosh, if

515
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Speaker 1: you're struggling with the underneath stuff, you know, you're spending

516
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Speaker 1: a lot of time on that. You have to spend

517
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Speaker 1: so much time on that to get that right. But

518
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Speaker 1: then you're not really that's elementary stuff in the league.

519
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Speaker 1: You're not dealing with the second and third and fourth

520
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Speaker 1: level stuff. You also can't call a game that you

521
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Speaker 1: want to call in the NFL. I remember I got

522
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Speaker 1: off the phone with this jam in the league and

523
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Speaker 1: my take was, well, God, if if I don't trust

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Speaker 1: a guy to throw it downfield, I can't call the

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Speaker 1: same game. I just eliminated thirty five percent of the playbook.

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Speaker 1: So I think with Daniel Jones, you can use the

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Speaker 1: whole playbook.

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Speaker 3: That's the difference, Isn't it crazy? You know, the redemption season,

529
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Speaker 3: even watching Carson Wentz with Kevin O'Connell, it's like he

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Speaker 3: actually doesn't look.

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Speaker 2: That terrible, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's like this the power of some of

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Speaker 3: these offensive coordinators. Also, because what are usually offensive coordinators

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Speaker 3: are head coaches have pretty good skill guys around them,

535
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Speaker 3: right Kevin O'Connell. They got a pretty loaded roster, you know,

536
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Speaker 3: Shane Stichen that they've invested some picks and some money

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Speaker 3: into the offensive skill guys. Right, you play for Shanahan,

538
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Speaker 3: you play for McVeigh, you play for Lafleora, Like they

539
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Speaker 3: emphasize that side of the ball in terms of people,

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Speaker 3: you know, the wide receivers, the running backs, the tight ends.

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Speaker 3: These guys look a lot better than some of the

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Speaker 3: franchise that failed them. I mean, you go back to

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Speaker 3: the Giants, I mean, Daniel Jones was horrendous. I get

544
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Speaker 3: asked a lot like, is this gonna if Daniel Jones?

545
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Speaker 3: I mean, is in the MVP conversation this team wins

546
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Speaker 3: thirteen or fourteen games? Clear, the Giants aren't. What were

547
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Speaker 3: they gonna win five games? And listen, it was time

548
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Speaker 3: for a breakup. I didn't blame them. It was not working.

549
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Speaker 3: But this is one of those things like, oh, ultimately

550
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Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley is much better with the.

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Speaker 2: Great offensive line.

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Speaker 3: But if i'm you know, the Giants ownership. I paid

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Speaker 3: my head coach who's the play caller. I know he's

554
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Speaker 3: kind of bounced around being the play caller, but he's

555
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Speaker 3: an offensive guy to fix that position. And this guy

556
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Speaker 3: we had this guy, Hell, we paid this guy and

557
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Speaker 3: then he goes to another offensive coordinator as the head

558
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Speaker 3: coach and looks like Sam Darnold's Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: How's that possible? You know, how can that happen?

560
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Speaker 3: This guy is going to get I mean, Shane Psychen

561
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Speaker 3: and Chris Baller are going to get contract extensions. I

562
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Speaker 3: would imagine before the playoffs start. It's going that well.

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Speaker 1: All right, Danny parkins, as he is prone to do

564
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Speaker 1: at least once a month, sometimes more. FS one is

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Speaker 1: joining us and it's a day of breaking news. There

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Speaker 1: are multiple reports. This is crazy. Sometimes you don't predict something,

567
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Speaker 1: but you're not surprised when it happens. Like your buddy

568
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: who drives too fast, you wouldn't predict he gets into

569
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Speaker 1: a wrec but if it happens, you know, bangs into

570
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Speaker 1: a fire, hyderate and you'd be like, well, Bob drives

571
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Speaker 1: a little fast. Bill Belichick may not last the season.

572
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Speaker 1: They're working on a buyout. And you know, first of all,

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Speaker 1: whenever you get a friends and family staff, he and

574
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Speaker 1: Mike Lombardi kids on the staff, highly compensated. Never a

575
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Speaker 1: huge fan of that, but I think sometimes we look

576
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Speaker 1: at college as this inferior product of the NFL, and

577
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Speaker 1: in terms of like talent. It is, but it is

578
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Speaker 1: a really hard trail to navigate. Donors, boosters, nil ad.

579
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Speaker 1: When you're an NFL coach, you have an impulsive owner,

580
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Speaker 1: then you kind of just do what you want to do.

581
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Speaker 1: I mean, Brett Veach is not banging down a door

582
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Speaker 1: to tell Andy what to run on. Second before, I

583
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Speaker 1: could argue there are more land mines for a college

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Speaker 1: coach than a pro coach, And I just don't think

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Speaker 1: Bill at this point has the tolerance for it. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of my take. He just he's just not built

587
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Speaker 1: for college football. I don't think he ever wanted to

588
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Speaker 1: be there in the first place.

589
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Speaker 2: I said it at the time, like I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the last person who believes that this

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Speaker 2: is going to actually happen, Like it all felt beneath him,

592
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Speaker 2: Like I remember when he was photographed at a Chick

593
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Speaker 2: fil A in Atlanta after his interview with Arthur Blank,

594
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: Like that was two hiring cycles ago, and then he won,

595
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Speaker 2: and then he did all of the media jobs and

596
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Speaker 2: he was hoping to get another NFL job and it

597
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Speaker 2: never came, and so he's like, well, I guess coaching

598
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: in college is better than coach than doing media, and

599
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure for a lifelong coach that is correct. But

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Speaker 2: then you saw the buyout reports that it dipped down

601
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Speaker 2: to just a million bucks. It's like, oh, he wants

602
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: to leave open any path to get back to the NFL.

603
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: He never wanted to be there in the first place.

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Speaker 2: And then on top of it, the embarrassment with whatever

605
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Speaker 2: you think about, the girlfriend situation, the reporting around that,

606
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Speaker 2: the losing, and then that's all before any of the

607
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Speaker 2: things that you're talking about, which are of course totally

608
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Speaker 2: true and valid. But like, if you didn't really want

609
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Speaker 2: to be there in the first place, and then you

610
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: start getting mocked for being there, and then you start losing,

611
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Speaker 2: and you've got eighteen year old kids mouthing off to you,

612
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Speaker 2: like he has to be miserable right now, Colin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like Labarti's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had

614
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Speaker 1: some early success at Notre Dame. But Charlie has got

615
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Speaker 1: kind of that gruff Northeast personality, and that's fine. Some

616
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Speaker 1: of those guys lived out there for ten years. I

617
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Speaker 1: liked a lot of guys like that. They're really bottom line,

618
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Speaker 1: they're kind of gruff, they're kind of Kurt, But you

619
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Speaker 1: know Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got a little y'all.

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Speaker 1: It's you know what I mean, like Roy Williams, Dean Smith.

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Speaker 1: There's a certain sensibility to it, and I just it's

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Speaker 1: a weird fit to me. Like I think I've told

623
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Speaker 1: you this before. Maybe I'm obsessed with this, but I'm

624
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: always surprised when very success, When very successful, seemingly bright

625
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: older men can't aren't self aware, Like Bobby Knight, Bobby,

626
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Speaker 1: you gotta do the one and done. Everybody's doing it.

627
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: You're going to get inferior players just too stubborn. And

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, Bill, you can't spit on Robert Kraft like

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Speaker 1: he's an owner. Owners are tight, don't You're not going

630
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Speaker 1: to win. It'd be like me going against the Murdochs,

631
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: like just be a good employee, work your butt off.

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Speaker 1: If they do something you don't like, eat it, deal

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like I just sometimes I see these older men

636
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Speaker 1: and they they get stuck in their ways. We all

637
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Speaker 1: know in our twenties you kind of have to follow

638
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: in line. Maybe it's the wealth of maybe it's the

639
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Speaker 1: I don't give a damn. But I mean the idea

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Speaker 1: that he wouldn't let he wouldn't like tweet Drake may

641
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: you know stuff because he was a patriot, Like does that?

642
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Speaker 1: I don't know, have you ever thought about that? We've

643
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: seen like the Tony larus Is, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights.

644
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: You're like guys rigid punctures, brilliant, don't do it?

645
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Barack Obama said it recently. I mean,

646
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something

647
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: like eighty percent of the world's problems evolve old men

648
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: hanging on who are of death and insignificance. Like there's

649
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: something to that. And we've got like an age minimum

650
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 2: for you to be president. I'd be interested in an

651
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: age maximum, you know, like like a sweet spot there

652
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: for just like you want the people who are governing

653
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: on the things in our world like it to like

654
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: maybe impacts them. And so yeah, I think like not

655
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: too come across as two ageists here, but because there

656
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: are clearly exceptions to the rule. But I didn't want

657
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: I would have wanted my NFL team to hire Pete Carroll.

658
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: And I know you disagreed on that, and you like

659
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, and by all accounts, Pete Carroll is like

660
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: a young mid seventies guy.

661
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Would I say it was an exception?

662
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: Sure, and that's and that's fine, and I'll and i'll

663
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: you know better than I do, swall grant you that one.

664
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: But like the Bears had an opening. If you told

665
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: me it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take

666
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson eleven times out of ten, even though he's

667
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 2: not proven as a head coach, and Pete Carroll is.

668
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: But I'd be betting on upset. I'd be betting on

669
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: ability to connect with young players. I'd be betting on

670
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: a longer runway where he could stay there. So yeah,

671
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: I think that it's a real danger for a ton

672
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: of people that they just get caught in their way.

673
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: They get stuck in their ways and they don't evolve.

674
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was

675
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: pitching these kids that like North Carolina was gonna be

676
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: like the thirty third NFL team. That just seems laughable now.

677
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: It's it seems so laughable that he thought that he

678
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: could just show up in Chapel Hill with inferior talent

679
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: and just be a pipeline to the to the pros

680
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: plug from my book by the way, pipeline, the.

681
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing. You know, there's an there's a

682
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: serious argument to me made. I've said this before. Men

683
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines,

684
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: but we break up with somebody and don't even text.

685
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: We can get into wars, we can always rationalize getting

686
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: into wars. We can never get out of them. Men

687
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: are bad at exes. And I when somebody goes through something,

688
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: I put myself on that spot. I think what would

689
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: I would have done? And I look when Brady retired

690
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: in New England, and my take, just for selfishly, for legendary,

691
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: for legacy preservation, I would have said, listen, I owe

692
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: the Crafts one year of stability, and I'm going to

693
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: root for Tom Brady harder than anybody's ever rooted for

694
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: a player. Will never be the same franchise without Tom.

695
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay for one year to just get

696
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: some stability here and get people kind of ready, and

697
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: then I'm going to retire. And Bill has kind of

698
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: a walk off here because if you remember, they get

699
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. He praised Cam Newton. Cam was past his prime.

700
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: But you know it was okay, here comes mac Jones.

701
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: You know there was a real moment in time. Bill

702
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: didn't need the money and he knew the team wasn't

703
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: as good, and then he kind of stayed in state.

704
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: In fact, I made I said this on the air, Danny.

705
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think this is true, but knowing

706
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: Bill's petty and grudge holding personality, go to that last

707
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: draft that Bill controlled slowest team in the league, two

708
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: kickers and three interior alignment. It was like he was saying,

709
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to leave you with an awful roster. I

710
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: mean they need they At one point they drafted three

711
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: guards like two kickers and they had no speed. And

712
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: I think I really do if you look at that

713
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: last draft, when Belichick knew he was in trouble, it

714
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: was the decisions Matt Patricia, offensive coordinator. It was like

715
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: he wanted to humiliate. He knew his legacy was set.

716
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: He wanted to humiliate the franchise. I know it sounds

717
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: crazy and I don't believe it's true, but it's not

718
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: the nuttiest thing I've ever said.

719
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Speaker 2: Well, no, that's a high bar to clear. Yeah, I mean,

720
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: he the Patricia the drafts, Like I think there's like

721
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: a real legitimate argument to make when you look at

722
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: the drafts and beyond the last one of like Bill

723
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton to

724
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: be desired.

725
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh God, on the offensive side, that's kind right exactly,

726
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: And so he is.

727
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: Someone asked me earlier, do you think this impacts his legacy,

728
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: because you kind of hinted at that. I don't think so. Like,

729
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: I think that it's humiliating right now. It's this is

730
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I thought that,

731
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: like I said, I said it on FS one when

732
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: I was doing Breakfast Ball. I was like, I don't

733
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: believe that he's going to go to North Carolina because

734
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: I don't believe he wants to do it. And now

735
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: he's just kind of seeing it through and it's clearly going.

736
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: But like in twenty years, when we're talking about the

737
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: greatest coaches of all time, he's gonna be on everyone's

738
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: mount rushmore. Like that's his legacy is secure. We don't

739
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: talk about my Wizards, we don't talk about EMMITTT. Smith

740
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: with the Cardinals, Like this is like a of the

741
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: moment thing. Now if you want to have the like

742
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty? Brady or Belichick?

743
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: Pretty clear? Pretty clear, Pretty clear, even though like some

744
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: of the earlier Super Bowls before Brady was really Brady,

745
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: those were more Belichick, but like the majority of them

746
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously Bill won

747
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 2: the or Tom won the breakup with what happened in Tampa.

748
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: So like, if you're having that specific legacy conversation Brady

749
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: over Belichick, I think now is going to be not

750
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: a majority opinion, Like I think it's going to be

751
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: a consensus, but it's like greatest ball coach of coaches

752
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: of your lifetime. Like he's on one hand, I saw

753
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: you at a Jared Goff. You have him as a

754
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: Hall of famer.

755
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: No, I said, he will be a Hall of Famer absolutely,

756
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, since twenty seventeen, so that's going to be

757
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: nine years. He's like first in passing touchdowns first, Like

758
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: I think people are shocked he's had seven offensive coordinators.

759
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: He was great with six, Like he works with everybody,

760
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: and I think to me, that's always been it. It'd

761
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: be one thing if we're in TV and you had

762
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: this one great producer and the rest of your career

763
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: eight shows bombed. It's like, Okay, who was your partner?

764
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: Who was your producer? Seven coordinators? Six He's crushed, and

765
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: it's like, guys his I always think Hall of Fames

766
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: are great ten years. That's why I never understood the

767
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: Jim Rice. I know he wasn't he was difficult with

768
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: the press or something. But Jim Rice, when I was

769
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: a kid, was the best right handed American League power

770
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: hitter for a decade. Like it was just like he

771
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: was one of two. He and Fred Linn were the

772
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: Red Sox and like people went back and forth, and

773
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, what ten years of greatness is hard for

774
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: your your peak maybe eight physical years. And so if

775
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: you look at Jared Goff, he has eight great years. Well,

776
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: this front office is so good. Amaran Saint Brown's in

777
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: his prime. The running backs one's young, one's not that old.

778
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: Panay Seoul has just entered his prime. He's going to

779
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: have three to four big years with Detroit or somebody.

780
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: Jared's a Hall of Famer and he's he's made no enemies.

781
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: Even McVeigh feels guilty for letting him go.

782
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: Well, definitely definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah,

783
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: and I mean Laporta and Jamison Williams are young, you know,

784
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: so yeah, he's got got plenty, plenty of young talent.

785
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say

786
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: is because I love the Lions and they have been

787
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: my Super Bowl pick three years in a row, so

788
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: eventually maybe I'll get it right. It's not just the

789
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: stats thing, you know, like it's it's it's not like

790
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: he does he will need to hoist the trophy because,

791
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: like I think Stafford is in, because Stafford is going

792
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: to finish sixth all time in passing Yeah, Stafford's in.

793
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: I agree, and he has the trophy. But if Stafford

794
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: didn't have the trophy very hard, probably not, that's what.

795
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: But he's got numbers that are force. I mean, obviously

796
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: we'll see where Jared Goff ends up, but like it's

797
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: not like a guarantee that Jared Goff ends up top

798
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: five all time in passing yards.

799
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: He might, but it helps. It does help, even though

800
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: it's not linear. It does help that Goff is better

801
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: with the Lions than Stafford was.

802
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean you look at it.

803
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: And you're like god Goff crushed and Stafford now one

804
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: of them, Yes, the best young GM in the sport

805
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: or one of the best gms. So it's not apples

806
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: orange apples, right, it's different. But I do think there's

807
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, that's just one of those things you look

808
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: at and you're like, well, golf one big in Detroit,

809
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: and we all know it's same ownership, right, you know,

810
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: quirky head coach and Dan Campbell he didn't have McVeigh.

811
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that like like in a vacuum

812
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: in their prime starting a team, right Stafford, Yeah, right, exactly,

813
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: exactly and so and again that's also not the criteria

814
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame. But I remember a GM

815
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: was like, my job is to evaluate individual talent amidst

816
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: the team sport. Like that's like the job of the

817
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: football general manager, right, and so like it's why I've

818
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: always been a big Herbert guy and like it just

819
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: I watch him and no, not everyone is a free agent.

820
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: We are not doing this to start a team. But

821
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, that guy is one of the five best

822
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: at the position. He just doesn't have you don't have

823
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: the trophy case for it. Stafford in his prime always

824
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: felt like the same type of thing to me, Like

825
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability to

826
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 2: build a team around Matt Stafford, to give Brett Veach,

827
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: to give Brad Holmes the general manager of the Lions,

828
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 2: like the built to build around the great quarterback because

829
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: he is a Hall of Fame talent. And now I

830
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: do think that Stafford has enough of a resume that

831
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: he will ultimately get in golf. I think is going

832
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: to need a trophy, like if he has regular season

833
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: success and counting stats. The Pro Football Hall of Fame

834
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: is really tough to get into, so I think they're

835
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: gonna have to break through and start winning in the playoffs.

836
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: I want to end with this because it's kind of

837
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: a think piece. Derek Thompson writes for The Atlantic. He's

838
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite writers. He's got He's kind of

839
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: a theorist. He loves new data, he loves culture changes.

840
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: And last week he was talking and he acknowledges he

841
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: his center left and he admits it. You know, he

842
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: doesn't hide it. But I think he's a really interesting read.

843
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: I think he does a podcast for The Ringer. We

844
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: at the Volume, we weren't really interested in him we

845
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: didn't reach out, but he was one of the two

846
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: or three people that we were just fascinated with. And

847
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: he and it's really an interesting thing he brought up

848
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: this week. He was complaining about conservatives doing something and

849
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: he goes, but what equally drives me crazy is that

850
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: progresses in California. Many are against WAIMO and their take

851
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: is we are unemploying people, that this is not good

852
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: for jobs. And his argument was time out. We do

853
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: not want to be the party that's anti tech. The

854
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: Conservatives are anti science. We can't be anti tech. And

855
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: I read that and I thought it is fascinating. I

856
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: used to live in Oregon, very liberal, and gas stations

857
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: you can't pump your own gas. And Oregon's theory is

858
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: it keeps thousands of people employed in the state of

859
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: Oregon and it rains a lot. So I kind of

860
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: like somebody pumping my dass, to.

861
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: Be honest with you.

862
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: And by the way, gas stations are kind of dirty.

863
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: You know, you're.

864
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: Touching stuff, So it's like I always kind of thought

865
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: it was cool. You talk to the guy or gal

866
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 1: and it's like that's good. So where would you fall

867
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: on this? It absolutely will create job losts. I mean,

868
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: there's no question uber drivers are in big trouble in California,

869
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you where I live. Way Mo cars

870
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: are everywhere, Danny and I prefer them. Nothing against the driver,

871
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: but no driver.

872
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

873
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants

874
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: to ask me about the eagles. I get in the car,

875
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: it gets there fast, and I'm a way Mo guy.

876
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: Wow.

877
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs.

878
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: As somebody you acknowledge your center left. What do you

879
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: do if you're a Democrat in California?

880
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 2: So on.

881
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: My take is I'm pro technology, and nobody has a

882
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: right to a job. I grew up in a fishing village,

883
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: and because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or

884
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: the number of salmon you could catch, salmon, fishermen lost work.

885
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of

886
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: a man of nature and a man of earth and

887
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: a fisherman, and I used to argue with him, I'm

888
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: going into broadcasting. If radio die tomorrow, i don't have

889
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: a right to a job. And so it was like,

890
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, just because you're a fisherman. At twenty eight,

891
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you want at forty eight. Like states have legislation,

892
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: they protect our earth. So I'm for way MO, which

893
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: means I'm kind of four job loss. Where do you land?

894
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one, I think in I am

895
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: pro innovation and I am and like, there's a lot

896
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: of problems with capitalism, but it might be it's the

897
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: best we got, Like the kind of a play on

898
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: that the old you know, democracy is the worst form

899
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: of government except for all the other ways, you know,

900
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: and so like, are there problems with it? Yes, are

901
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: there unintended consequences, absolutely, But I don't think you want

902
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: to be in the business of stifling innovation because what's

903
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: the next thing that that would Like I'd be thrilled

904
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: if there was some level of innovation that made pediatric

905
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: cancer doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it,

906
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: you know, And so like it's the type of thing

907
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: where like, just in general, innovation is good, Like the

908
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: easy Pass put tollbooth workers out of business, but it's

909
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: objectively better. We don't have to stop, we don't have

910
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: to keep coins in our car. We can just keep

911
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: going on our drive. But it put people out of

912
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: business for a better way of life. So I've never

913
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: been in a driver car before, so I'm glad that

914
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be the test case for it. So like

915
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's

916
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: going well. But like I think that type off if

917
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: they can do it, and they clearly can, and I

918
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: I'm aware of WIMO and I'm aware of the fact

919
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 2: that this is becoming more and more popular. Like it's

920
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: just going to lead to less auto crashes, It's going

921
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: to lead to people being safer, it's gonna lead fewer deaths.

922
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: It's gonna lead to fewer deaths. Oh right.

923
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: Question, Also, there are safety concerns with women and male

924
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Tuber. There have

925
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look

926
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: at the history of Uber, and I've been lots of lawsuits.

927
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: You eliminate that you eliminate. I mean, there's no question

928
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: the number of car desks will plummet in America.

929
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: So like that to me, obvious negative is the job loss,

930
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: But there are so many also positives that come with

931
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: it that that one, to me is not terribly difficult

932
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: to be Like, yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm fine

933
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: with it. And in general, again, like I there's this

934
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: there was a story arc in The Wire, The Wired

935
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: Him He's the greatest television show ever, And that show

936
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: came out twenty years ago, twenty plus years ago about

937
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: like the the dock workers and how they could unload

938
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: and offload ships like cargo ships, big containers that weigh

939
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff. And

940
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: there were the steve Indors were like, that's gonna put

941
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: us out of jobs. And they're like, yeah, but you're

942
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: not going to die on the job. And then the

943
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: steved Door's like, but I'd rather get injured on the

944
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: job and have a job. But that's not that's not

945
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: the point. The guy who developed the technology to offload

946
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: the cargo ship faster and more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries,

947
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 2: that guy created that company to do it. That was innovation,

948
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: it was progress, moving it forward. And so so it sucks.

949
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I'm thirty.

950
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: I turned thirty nine in two weeks. I have no

951
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: idea what the next twenty years of media is going

952
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: to look like, and like what my career in this industry,

953
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: Cable television, cord cutting, podcasting. It keeps evolving. We have

954
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people

955
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't I

956
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: feel bad for the individual who would lose their job

957
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 2: enough to make me anti innovation and progress.

958
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I did local TV sports that kind

959
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: of dried up.

960
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: That's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago.

961
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: Using a million dollars a year twenty years ago.

962
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: Correct, correct, exactly. That was a seven figure job into

963
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: the first part of the twenty first century. Like Mark

964
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: jing Greco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend covered like

965
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: the bulls, dynasties and all that. He was still making

966
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: north of a million dollars into the two thousands. Now,

967
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: the people that have that job low six figures and

968
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: nobody watches, you know, it's it's just a completely different ecosystem.

969
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: And that's just the that's the way of the world.

970
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: So are you are you? You're totally Have you ever

971
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 2: had an issue? By the way, WYMO, the vast majority

972
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: of people here have never been in a driver listening

973
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: to this has never been in a driverless car.

974
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been in three They're fantastic and I'm not

975
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm not anti Uber. I've spent a lot of money

976
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: on Uber, but there is a gap in Uber drivers

977
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: and if you go, if you go the lower levels

978
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: of Uber. I had an Uber driver because I had

979
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: a very short drive recently in Chicago. He pulled up

980
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: to my street and stopped in the middle of the street,

981
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: didn't pull into my driveway. There were thirty cars as

982
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: I walked on the road to get in and like

983
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: bowed my head and apologized and yeah, I mean yeah,

984
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: And it was the cheapest level of it because it

985
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: was like a six minute drive to the train station.

986
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: So like weimo, everybody's good, They're all the exact same.

987
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: There's no good, bad smelly. I mean, I've gotten into

988
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: Uber cars before and the music's loud and it smells

989
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: like hygiene issues. It's like it's rare, but it happens. Yeah,

990
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: And there's no question. I so I in Chicago, I

991
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: take an Uber every day, about a seven to ten

992
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: minute drive from where I work to otc OGLEV train station. Yeah,

993
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: the gap incompetency is startling. The volume