WEBVTT - 9021One-on-One: Marisol Nichols

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<v Speaker 1>It's nine Gene Onegine with Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Hi, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Nichols one of the best names in the biz from Nichols.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's so great to see. We just saw you

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<v Speaker 1>on one of the episodes from season six where you

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<v Speaker 1>are Ray Preuitt's beautiful new girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Wendy Stevens, right, yeah, yes, bull bangs.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember, Yes. I saw the pictures. I looked them up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Wow, it reminded me of an Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>post that you had put up saying remembering when you

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<v Speaker 2>were just a little punk, And I was like, in

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<v Speaker 2>that character, wow, you felt Donna should be sorry, Donoughy

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<v Speaker 2>should be happy because Ray is obviously moved on and

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<v Speaker 2>he's and love and she seems to be a better

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<v Speaker 2>fit for him. But the two of you, you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>looked great together.

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta say, thank you, thanks very much. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 4>was fun. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember being on the episode that day? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember filming that You've worked so many times?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a crazy question to say, do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>that one day?

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<v Speaker 4>I was brand It was brand new for me.

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<v Speaker 5>So I just moved from Chicago, so coming from Chicago,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I did. I did an episode of like

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<v Speaker 5>some TV show that's shot in Canada.

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<v Speaker 4>Due South.

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<v Speaker 5>It was called and the director from Due South, Gil

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<v Speaker 5>was going to direct your that episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill Shelton, Yes, exactly, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>The next week, so he asked me to come an

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<v Speaker 5>audition for that, and then that's how I ended up.

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<v Speaker 2>My soon to be ex husband was on Due South.

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<v Speaker 2>Dean McDermott.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, really amazing the soon to be I understand that

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<v Speaker 5>I've been there, yes, but yeah, so that's how I

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<v Speaker 5>ended up so well for me, it was a big

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<v Speaker 5>It was like.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was like your second acting job ever, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Like maybe like third or maybe third or fourth, but

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<v Speaker 5>like brand new, like I've maybe been in a.

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<v Speaker 4>Life for like a year.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was really it was like, oh wow, okay, great, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was memorable.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that, or so they talk you'd come back

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<v Speaker 2>like I couldn't remember. We couldn't remember, Like Jamie was

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<v Speaker 2>the series regular, right and then he left the show

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<v Speaker 2>because sadly they wrote him as hardcore woman abuser and

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't make it come back.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the female fans were like, what you beat him?

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<v Speaker 3>Donna push you down? This years or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so then we were saying that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they made him redeemable as best they could, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had a new song and so that we can't listen

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<v Speaker 2>to because they will not stream any of the episodes

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<v Speaker 2>with music.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, so we used.

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<v Speaker 3>Watching one DVD, which he's unfortunate for the fans.

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<v Speaker 4>I need have to pay music, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there was talk of him like

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<v Speaker 2>coming back more so, did they talk to you about

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<v Speaker 2>that character be recurring at one point?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>When I got it, there were like, this is possible recurring,

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<v Speaker 5>which I was still learning what that even meant.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was that brand brand new.

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<v Speaker 5>But I was I was like cool, great, that'd be amazing,

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<v Speaker 5>like and it was funny because because I you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I ended up working with Luke like years years later,

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<v Speaker 5>but I had still I'd always remembered the nine o

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<v Speaker 5>two one at nine o two one oh episode that

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<v Speaker 5>I was on, Like everyone was so nice. I was

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<v Speaker 5>a little scared. I was, you know, brand new in

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<v Speaker 5>the biz. I was a little like, oh, these are

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<v Speaker 5>huge stars, oh my god. And everyone was really nice,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just remember having a really good time and

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<v Speaker 5>really nervous, like I was still learning about like hitting

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<v Speaker 5>my mark and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I remember working with you because we got to

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<v Speaker 2>work together and you were awesome and really kind. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though I was a series regular, I was always nervous

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<v Speaker 2>because I remember being guests are on other shows and

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<v Speaker 2>people not being kind to me. So I was always

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<v Speaker 2>nervous about people coming on if Yeah, So I even

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<v Speaker 2>got nervous working with guest stars, Like I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they like me.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, It's all so weird, is when you know,

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<v Speaker 5>now I've been on the other side of the camera

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<v Speaker 5>and also been a series regular, and then there's the

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<v Speaker 5>other side of like you know that that guest star

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<v Speaker 5>is now going to go and talk and tell about

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<v Speaker 5>their experience on your show that you're on, and so

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<v Speaker 5>there's also like, oh my god, I hope I treated

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<v Speaker 5>them right, or I hope it went well for them, or.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I hope I was having a good day

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<v Speaker 1>that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's never happened on our show, right, Jen. No

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<v Speaker 2>one went on to say anything any guest stars.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so. Maybe a couple. But you've

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<v Speaker 1>had such an incredible career, like you're a long hauler,

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<v Speaker 1>like the two of us. What age did you start

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<v Speaker 1>in the business.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, honestly, twenty two. I wasn't like a kid actor.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't an acting class or anything. I fell into

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<v Speaker 5>it when I was like nineteen and I was in

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<v Speaker 5>Chicago and auditioned for a series out in LA with

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<v Speaker 5>Paul Thomas Witt. Do you remember Paul Thomas Witt. They

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<v Speaker 5>did like gold and they did like all of these

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<v Speaker 5>like early like late eighties sitcoms or whatever. So it

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<v Speaker 5>was for a series regular for that and I ended

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<v Speaker 5>up getting it, and I ended up being moved out

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<v Speaker 5>to LA and that's how I got her.

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<v Speaker 4>But that was really like twenty two, twenty two years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, nowadays they would call that a late bloomer. I know, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't call it that, but right, yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, But back then, it was like, you know, to

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<v Speaker 5>get a gig out of Chicago in LA was a

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<v Speaker 5>huge deal. It's not like now where you can, like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, on the with the Internet, you can cast

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<v Speaker 5>from any different country that you want. It really doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 5>But back then it was a pretty cool gig to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you from Chicago?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Born and raised, Okay, Midwest.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, oh you too?

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, are you still not anywhere? You'd probably know

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<v Speaker 1>central Illinois? Like, yeah, I didn't go to Chicago ever,

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<v Speaker 1>but you and then you moved out to LA. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you still located in LA? Or is this I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>in LA?

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<v Speaker 3>I tried, so I think you were in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I've never lived worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when this is over, if we can exchange numbers

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<v Speaker 2>or something. Your skin videos are amazing, but all the

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<v Speaker 2>facialists you posted were.

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<v Speaker 3>In New York, and I'm like, shoot, I just need

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<v Speaker 3>a little no.

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<v Speaker 5>Joanna bargains she's in LA. And Kate Summerville's in LA.

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<v Speaker 5>They're actually LA. They're both okay, so we'll talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You were seeing on your body of work, like I

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<v Speaker 1>have just a few things in front of me Vegas vacation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was. That was my first movie, like ever.

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<v Speaker 1>You played Audrey Griswolds.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, wait, so the first Audrey was also a

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<v Speaker 2>nine of two one zero Dana Baron, Yes, and then

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<v Speaker 2>our friend Juliet Lewis went on, so were you the

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<v Speaker 2>third incarnation of Audrey?

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<v Speaker 4>I was, Let's see, wasn't there?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>There was like a years one more.

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<v Speaker 4>Before me, and I don't know who was in that.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't remember, but I was like the fourth and

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<v Speaker 5>I was the first, the one that was like not

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<v Speaker 5>National Lampoons.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like a separate one.

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<v Speaker 3>What I sold the franchise, I guess.

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<v Speaker 5>So, I mean it was, oh my god, producer blanking

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<v Speaker 5>on his name, but he was a huge.

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<v Speaker 4>Huge Weineberg whatever his name is.

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<v Speaker 5>He like he represented like the rat Pack back in

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<v Speaker 5>the day, so he was mister Vegas and so they

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<v Speaker 5>allowed him to do it because okay for Vegas, like

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<v Speaker 5>he used to wrap elvis and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you were a Griswolm and that's all that counts,

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<v Speaker 2>because yeah, that is iconic.

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<v Speaker 4>It was iconic.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you picture me, like when I was on

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<v Speaker 5>your show with the big thick bangs, they're never gonna me.

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<v Speaker 5>Like to me, Audrey Griswold was like the all American,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, a little bit girl, and I didn't think

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<v Speaker 5>I looked like that. And I think I auditioned for

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<v Speaker 5>three months for that role. Wow, yeah, forever and then

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<v Speaker 5>ended up like getting it, like wow, And that was

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<v Speaker 5>the first time I was like I really got to

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<v Speaker 5>hit my mark and like the first time of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, working, you're working with Chevy Chase. I'd be totally

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<v Speaker 1>stressed too. I love him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah he was. It was really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, wait, you're also you were also what did

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<v Speaker 1>you play on Can't Hardly Wait? Which?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, okay, so there was.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it was this small. It was like maybe

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<v Speaker 5>I was in maybe four or five days. So you

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<v Speaker 5>remember the giant scene with our with like the rock

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<v Speaker 5>guy on the stage and Jennifer Love Hewitt's there and everyone,

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<v Speaker 5>like everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>The most she remembers it her ex husband was.

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<v Speaker 1>The party scene.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, the party scene.

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<v Speaker 5>Girl that doesn't get to go in the closet and

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<v Speaker 5>make out with him?

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, you wait, who did you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make out with?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was the geeky guy. Who was that?

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<v Speaker 4>It was the geeky guy Seth Green? Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, that's one of my favorite movies. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that movie too.

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<v Speaker 1>You've just been on everything I was Friends, Charmed Boy, Me,

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<v Speaker 1>twirl screen too, Like, I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 2>What the highest rated Charmed episode ever?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, really, maybe told us.

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<v Speaker 4>It was. It was quite the outfit. It was quite

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<v Speaker 4>the office.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, who did you play I should know this show, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Fuller, this girlfriend from the past. The past she's like evil,

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<v Speaker 5>but in present times she is nice, and like the

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<v Speaker 5>evil and the nice come together. And it was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm challenging Heather Macomb's character and all of that fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was fun. It was a fun role. It

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<v Speaker 4>was a fun role.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just one episode.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was just one episode. I was supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to be, you know, recurring, but it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You had many episodes on Riverdale.

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<v Speaker 5>With Yeah, I mean that I was a series regular.

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<v Speaker 1>First, well, tell us about that experience, Like, did you

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<v Speaker 1>work closely with Luke or in?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that was I mean, you guys know it was Luke.

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<v Speaker 4>Luke.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, he's a total pro, like seasoned season

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<v Speaker 5>season pro, so generous, like so generous, always wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>make the scene better, Like he's not the kind of

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<v Speaker 5>actor to phone it in at all.

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<v Speaker 4>She so could at that level of.

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<v Speaker 5>His career, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Not at all? We worked closely together.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I was sort of he was like the

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<v Speaker 5>lost love of my life that got to we never

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<v Speaker 5>got together, and I mean we worked really hard to

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<v Speaker 5>make that sort of relationship a big, major, major thing

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<v Speaker 5>and real and like based in reality and not caricature,

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<v Speaker 5>and really talked with the writers and like, hey, can

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<v Speaker 5>we draw this out?

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<v Speaker 4>Can we do this?

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<v Speaker 5>And and Luke actually, I we'd gotten to Vancouver and

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<v Speaker 5>I had my daughter with me. She was eight years

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<v Speaker 5>old at the time, you know, and so we're in

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<v Speaker 5>Vancouver for the first time really, and he took me

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<v Speaker 5>and her and he's like, let me show you about

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<v Speaker 5>the boats. I mean, do you know the boats in

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<v Speaker 5>Granville and you could take the boats over to Grande Island.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll meet you guys there. I'll get you on the boat.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll make sure you're set, and like he was like,

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<v Speaker 5>you don't have to do that, and he was he

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<v Speaker 5>was just That's who.

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<v Speaker 4>Luke was.

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<v Speaker 5>He was always trying to He took all the younger kids,

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<v Speaker 5>like you guys are like this. So when we were

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<v Speaker 5>doing this meaning of the pilot of Riverdale, right and

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<v Speaker 5>all the kids meaning like kJ and Lily and Cammy

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<v Speaker 5>and everyone are like down in the road right below us,

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<v Speaker 5>and me and Luke are sitting back and we're watching

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<v Speaker 5>we're watching the screening and we're watching them. And Luke

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<v Speaker 5>leans over to me and he's like, this reminds me

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<v Speaker 5>nine or two aer He's like, but this time they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to work and he's like, mush, kids, mush, make

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<v Speaker 5>me mush.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was huge for him.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've met several of the youngsters on that show

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<v Speaker 2>and they all have the same story that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were, they were new, and he took them under

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<v Speaker 2>his wing and really really wanted to prop them up

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<v Speaker 2>and support them. And yeah, it was beautiful. I got

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<v Speaker 2>to say I was a huge fan of Riverdale, like

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<v Speaker 2>my kids and I watched it and they were super psyched.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, oh my god, this show we want.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, my friend Luke's and and they

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<v Speaker 2>got it super like badass kick out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of him calling and being like, hey, it's uncle Luke

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<v Speaker 3>and they're like, oh my god, it is Himm You're right,

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<v Speaker 3>And that was everything for them.

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<v Speaker 2>As obsessed with the show as I was, I sadly

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<v Speaker 2>when he passed, I honestly couldn't watch it again.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just that was a personal choice.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was hard.

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<v Speaker 5>It was really hard, and the funeral was really hard,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was rough. It was my dad had just

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<v Speaker 5>passed like maybe three weeks prior, and I'd just gotten

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<v Speaker 5>back on set and then that happened, and I mean

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<v Speaker 5>we all just, I mean the whole place shut down.

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<v Speaker 5>We're all just bawling, and the kids were bawling, and

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<v Speaker 5>it was just, you know, Luke can't go into a

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<v Speaker 5>Luke can't go into a room or a job without like.

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<v Speaker 4>Filling that space.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and with not only who he is and the

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<v Speaker 5>size of the being that Luke is, but then also

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<v Speaker 5>his care factor for every single person in the room

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<v Speaker 5>and for the script and for the story and and

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<v Speaker 5>just always had the big picture, not just his role,

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<v Speaker 5>do you know what I mean, like just the whole

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<v Speaker 5>story and where it could go and how it could

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<v Speaker 5>go and how it could be great.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I mean, you guys know.

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<v Speaker 2>We were in Vancouver at the same time, because you

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<v Speaker 2>guys filled Vancouver and we were doing BH nine O

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<v Speaker 2>two one oh. And we know that Shannon went and

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<v Speaker 2>did the funeral. Yeah, while she was filling with us,

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<v Speaker 2>she went back and forth.

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<v Speaker 5>I actually worked with Shannon. I did a movie years

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<v Speaker 5>later called Friends Till the End on MTV, but it

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<v Speaker 5>was Shannon. I think I played her best friend at

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<v Speaker 5>the time. It was a fun, fun little mtwo.

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<v Speaker 1>Did what happened to your friendship in the movie? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so curious.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great question. We're friends till the end. They

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<v Speaker 4>like her and this other like Chucky.

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<v Speaker 5>It became like her best friend or something, and it

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<v Speaker 5>was kind of like all about Eve, kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Story like that.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was more like than going, hey, you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>be that and there's something off about this and blah

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<v Speaker 5>blah blah blah blah. But I also for at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>there were all these rumors and she was fantastic. She

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<v Speaker 5>was also good, great work quick bro like no drama,

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<v Speaker 5>was great.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, those are the stories we hear

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<v Speaker 1>the most. But yeah, you know that bullsh stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>the tabloids and people were talking about was just not

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah she was. They just love to do that to her.

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<v Speaker 3>Marisol. What year was that.

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<v Speaker 5>Friends till the end? I think it was maybe I

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<v Speaker 5>want to say, like ninety I think like ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 5>ninety nine maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So did you do that before you did Charmed?

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<v Speaker 2>And was she still uncharmed when you did Charmed?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great question.

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<v Speaker 5>I think she was still uncharmed when I did Charmed. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't think I worked with her yet.

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<v Speaker 2>This just just wild your connection back to nine o

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<v Speaker 2>two one zero and everybody, it's like insane.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, well you guys.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there's so many people that were on your show,

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<v Speaker 5>and even Brian. I worked with Brian years later on

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<v Speaker 5>it on a series I did called Resurrection Boulevard. He did.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was second or third season. He came

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<v Speaker 5>on like the whole season.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow? Or did we ever work together? Come on, I

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<v Speaker 4>know plenty of time that happened, that something we can

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<v Speaker 4>do together.

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<v Speaker 1>You are so talented. You have a podcast to tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I do.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's called the Marathon Nichols Podcast, mainly so that

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<v Speaker 5>people could find it, you know, but it's it's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>this is gonna take a dark turn, so I'll try

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<v Speaker 5>and keep it as light as possible. But I have

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<v Speaker 5>been working in the field of human trafficking since I

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<v Speaker 5>mean for over decade now, and I have my own

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<v Speaker 5>nonprofit called Foundation for Slavery Free World.

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<v Speaker 4>And I ended up.

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<v Speaker 5>Through relationships, relationships, relationships, going undercover and using my acting

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<v Speaker 5>skills over the last decade in different states, in different

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<v Speaker 5>countries around the world. To help put bad guys away

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<v Speaker 5>and help get women and children out.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I formed a podcast, Thanks, and.

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<v Speaker 5>I formed a podcast to help get the word out

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<v Speaker 5>and invite invited like not only all the guys that

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<v Speaker 5>I've gone under cover with and different ones, but also

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<v Speaker 5>different law enforcement, different actors in the field, actors in

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<v Speaker 5>a different definition of the work actor.

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<v Speaker 4>We've had the head of.

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<v Speaker 5>Meta on like literally Antikenny Davis, who does all the

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<v Speaker 5>global safety for Facebook and Instagram and all that she's

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<v Speaker 5>been on. And the whole idea is because I had

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<v Speaker 5>this audience of essentially teenagers and women because of Riverdale,

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<v Speaker 5>to go spread the word like, Hey, these are the

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<v Speaker 5>things you need to look out for. This is what's

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<v Speaker 5>going on in your own backyard. This is what the

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<v Speaker 5>bad guys look like, this is the tools that they use.

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<v Speaker 5>This is how you can protect yourself, your friends, your family.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's essentially what the podcast is. It's all of

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<v Speaker 5>those subjects that are essentially encompassing women and children, Like

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<v Speaker 5>I also have women on there, like a wonderful woman

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<v Speaker 5>who has an organization for.

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<v Speaker 4>Foster care kids.

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<v Speaker 5>And so if you think about foster care kids, a

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<v Speaker 5>kid goes into foster care and then they get used

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<v Speaker 5>to the family and they're so happy. And then the

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<v Speaker 5>mom or dad gets out of jail or whatever the

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<v Speaker 5>situation is. Sometimes it's not so fine, and they say

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<v Speaker 5>they want the kid back, and the kid may not

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<v Speaker 5>want to go or the kid wants to go back.

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<v Speaker 5>But so she formed an organization that has lawyers just

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<v Speaker 5>for the children, pro bono, just for the law speak

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<v Speaker 5>for the kids and help them in court.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we also have.

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<v Speaker 5>Stories like that, but it's just it's that whole subject.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's my podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinat that world that you're talking about, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so intrigued. I want to know more about your undercover experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to listen to your podcast now for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And speaking of your undercover experiences, correct me if I'm wrong, please,

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<v Speaker 2>are you developing a scripted show?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>So when all of this so, Marie Claire, the magazine

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<v Speaker 5>Marie Claire, came and followed me for a weekend in

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<v Speaker 5>Michigan on some opsite did with the sheriff out there

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<v Speaker 5>that I still actually work with.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they did this seven page spread.

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<v Speaker 5>About the whole thing, and that went everywhere and everyone

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<v Speaker 5>was like blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, Sony ended

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<v Speaker 5>up buying my life rights at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to create a TV show that was because what

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<v Speaker 5>a better way to spread the word on this if

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<v Speaker 5>you can do it through fiction and you can do

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<v Speaker 5>it through stories stuff. So we developed that and then

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<v Speaker 5>lo and behold it's turned Now it's turned into a

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<v Speaker 5>film and I'm still with my same producer from Sony,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think Lifetime is doing it. We're supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>start shooting in March. But until we start shooting, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Of how that goes, Yeah, I will just exactly. Is

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<v Speaker 3>there a working title so far.

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<v Speaker 4>Called Somebody's Daughter? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're getting really impressive work, Like thanks aside from

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<v Speaker 1>just all the experience and the joy you've brought to

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<v Speaker 1>everybody through your acting roles over the years, Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is the next level changing lives and it's very inspirational.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, thank you. It's really into it. Just you're

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<v Speaker 5>meeting all the guys and meeting everyone, and it was like, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>can you can you.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to Caever?

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<v Speaker 1>I have to ask you though, knowing what you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a young daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>I do sixteen.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was eight and.

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<v Speaker 3>I got one six year old. Y they're trying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just I don't have a library of

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge about the things that you have. Yeah, all this darkness,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am terrified to let my kids out the door.

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<v Speaker 5>It's one of the main reasons, was like, look, this

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<v Speaker 5>is the world, so the only we're never going to

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<v Speaker 5>like keep them home and keep them fully off the

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<v Speaker 5>internet or fully off of this. So for me it

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<v Speaker 5>was like, look, I'm just going to give her as

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<v Speaker 5>much data as I can without overwhelming her. So she

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<v Speaker 5>knows what to look for, and she does for the

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<v Speaker 5>most part, Like for sure online she's helped her friends

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<v Speaker 5>Like she's like, that's that's the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you tell people? Like what are the signs?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what do we need to know? Yeah, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the top what our daughters need to know?

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<v Speaker 5>They essentially it's no longer it's very rare the white

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<v Speaker 5>van that comes and grabs the kids off the street

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very rarely that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's more you know, if you heard the term grooming,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's more of that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, wait, explain grooming.

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<v Speaker 5>Grooming is like slowly getting someone used to the idea

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<v Speaker 5>of doing something that.

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<v Speaker 4>They normally would not do.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Like, you can use it in the sense of

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<v Speaker 5>like try not to be so dark and how to

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<v Speaker 5>explain it without being too dark. But when a kid

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<v Speaker 5>is under the hold of a really bad actor or

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<v Speaker 5>trafficker or whoever, in order to get that kid used

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<v Speaker 5>to doing things that they normally would never do, they

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<v Speaker 5>might show them porn, they might show them things that

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<v Speaker 5>they normally wouldn't see. And that's grooming them. That's getting

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<v Speaker 5>them used to going see this is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 5>See dead da da da da da da.

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<v Speaker 1>In essence, getting the kid to trust them.

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<v Speaker 5>Right exactly, and getting them to sort of let go

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<v Speaker 5>of their own values and morals and things that they

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<v Speaker 5>would normally have as their reality.

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<v Speaker 4>And changing something else.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, okay, So online with let's say twelve year old,

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<v Speaker 5>fourteen years fifteen year old or whatever, they just reach

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<v Speaker 5>out through chat rooms because everyone's used to chat rooms

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<v Speaker 5>and dms and that and the other, and they have

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<v Speaker 5>a thousand fake accounts and it's literally you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>guy with a thousand fake accounts in the basement with

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<v Speaker 5>a ton of computers and just all day long calling

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<v Speaker 5>the internet to try and find someone who will chat

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<v Speaker 5>with them and talk with them.

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<v Speaker 4>And that fits the profile of.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone who's insecure vulnerable, usually from either a bad family

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<v Speaker 5>or they think it's a bad family environment. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>like they might post like schow my parents or something

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<v Speaker 5>like that, and that's like, oh great, I can go

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<v Speaker 5>in there.

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<v Speaker 4>They're looking for that.

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<v Speaker 5>Or let's say or let's say it's something like I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, let's say it's out You're at a mall

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<v Speaker 5>or something and there's a there's like a bunch of girls,

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<v Speaker 5>and the trafficker who looks like a normal guy will

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<v Speaker 5>look like a completely normal guy or woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Young. I just want to ask twenty can.

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<v Speaker 5>Be twenties, thirties, like yeah, Michael ooh you're beautiful. And

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<v Speaker 5>let's say that all the other teenage girls are like ew,

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<v Speaker 5>and the one is like that's the one.

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<v Speaker 3>That they'll they know the traffickers and they know.

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<v Speaker 5>They're going after the vulnerable population, vulnerable children, vulnerable women,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's that's like it's just the reality now, it

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<v Speaker 5>just is. And it's it's not only women, it's also men.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean it's not only men, it's also women. And

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<v Speaker 5>they look like normal people, which makes you want to scream.

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<v Speaker 4>But they don't. They don't look like.

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<v Speaker 5>What you would think they would look like, or whatever's

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<v Speaker 5>in your mind, or the men that show up to

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<v Speaker 5>buy the trafficked girl for half an hour or an hour.

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<v Speaker 4>They're normal people.

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<v Speaker 5>Their husbands, their wives, or teachers, they're they're bankers, they're

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<v Speaker 5>normal everyday people.

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<v Speaker 2>I have an ignorant question, just because you're really like

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<v Speaker 2>informing us at this point, and this is very useful.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they ever traffic young boys?

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<v Speaker 4>Of course?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so in America most of the boys are runaways

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<v Speaker 5>boys and girls. But there's a there's a saying that

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<v Speaker 5>foster care is a pipeline to trafficking usually for girls,

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<v Speaker 5>and a pipeline to prison for the boys. And then

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<v Speaker 5>if you're a runaway boy, forget it. I mean a

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<v Speaker 5>runaway boy or girl, you're within three four days you're

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<v Speaker 5>picked up. And yeah, and the foster care kids are

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<v Speaker 5>very easy. And runaway kids are easy because there's no

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<v Speaker 5>parent there looking out for that kid or the missing

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<v Speaker 5>or any of that. There's no system and there's no

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<v Speaker 5>family system there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, before we let you go, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know what is the signal the healthiess. Yeah, the signal,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've heard, I've seen and heard through my daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like this, that's the help signal flashing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you see like the thumb goes in, that's

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<v Speaker 5>if you nail are or someone and they're they're going

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<v Speaker 5>like this, they're signaling for help, but they can't yell help,

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<v Speaker 5>they can't anything. And one last thing is if you

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<v Speaker 5>do have kids out there, I've taught my you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you teach your kids to be polite, polite, polite, polite,

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<v Speaker 5>except if someone's doing something or trying to grab you.

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<v Speaker 5>And then I drilled it into my daughter, especially when

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<v Speaker 5>she was younger, to scream your freaking head off, kick,

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<v Speaker 5>scream bite everything. And if they tell you they're going

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<v Speaker 5>to hurt you or hurt me, they're lying. Scream bite

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<v Speaker 5>and they will run.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this topic.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 1>People should. There's so much we should know about this.

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<v Speaker 1>We should continue this conversation. But thank you for talking

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<v Speaker 1>about acting and all all the things, the fun things

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about, but you're you're really making a

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<v Speaker 1>difference out there, and it's so inspiring.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. Thanks for having me