Speaker 1: It's nine Gene Onegine with Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 2: Nichols one of the best names in the biz from Nichols.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so great to see. We just saw you
Speaker 1: on one of the episodes from season six where you
Speaker 1: are Ray Preuitt's beautiful new girlfriend.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wendy Stevens, right, yeah, yes, bull bangs.
Speaker 4: Remember, Yes. I saw the pictures. I looked them up.
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, it reminded me of an Instagram
Speaker 2: post that you had put up saying remembering when you
Speaker 2: were just a little punk, And I was like, in
Speaker 2: that character, wow, you felt Donna should be sorry, Donoughy
Speaker 2: should be happy because Ray is obviously moved on and
Speaker 2: he's and love and she seems to be a better
Speaker 2: fit for him. But the two of you, you guys,
Speaker 2: looked great together.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, thank you, thanks very much. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was fun. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you remember being on the episode that day? Like,
Speaker 1: do you remember filming that You've worked so many times?
Speaker 1: This is a crazy question to say, do you remember
Speaker 1: that one day?
Speaker 4: I was brand It was brand new for me.
Speaker 5: So I just moved from Chicago, so coming from Chicago,
Speaker 5: I think I did. I did an episode of like
Speaker 5: some TV show that's shot in Canada.
Speaker 4: Due South.
Speaker 5: It was called and the director from Due South, Gil
Speaker 5: was going to direct your that episode.
Speaker 3: Bill Shelton, Yes, exactly, okay.
Speaker 5: The next week, so he asked me to come an
Speaker 5: audition for that, and then that's how I ended up.
Speaker 2: My soon to be ex husband was on Due South.
Speaker 2: Dean McDermott.
Speaker 5: Oh, really amazing the soon to be I understand that
Speaker 5: I've been there, yes, but yeah, so that's how I
Speaker 5: ended up so well for me, it was a big
Speaker 5: It was like.
Speaker 1: So this was like your second acting job ever, yeah.
Speaker 5: Like maybe like third or maybe third or fourth, but
Speaker 5: like brand new, like I've maybe been in a.
Speaker 4: Life for like a year.
Speaker 5: So it was really it was like, oh wow, okay, great, amazing.
Speaker 1: So it was memorable.
Speaker 2: I like that, or so they talk you'd come back
Speaker 2: like I couldn't remember. We couldn't remember, Like Jamie was
Speaker 2: the series regular, right and then he left the show
Speaker 2: because sadly they wrote him as hardcore woman abuser and
Speaker 2: couldn't make it come back.
Speaker 3: Like the female fans were like, what you beat him?
Speaker 3: Donna push you down? This years or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so then we were saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: they made him redeemable as best they could, and he
Speaker 2: had a new song and so that we can't listen
Speaker 2: to because they will not stream any of the episodes
Speaker 2: with music.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so we used.
Speaker 3: Watching one DVD, which he's unfortunate for the fans.
Speaker 4: I need have to pay music, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there was talk of him like
Speaker 2: coming back more so, did they talk to you about
Speaker 2: that character be recurring at one point?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: When I got it, there were like, this is possible recurring,
Speaker 5: which I was still learning what that even meant.
Speaker 4: Like I was that brand brand new.
Speaker 5: But I was I was like cool, great, that'd be amazing,
Speaker 5: like and it was funny because because I you know,
Speaker 5: I ended up working with Luke like years years later,
Speaker 5: but I had still I'd always remembered the nine o
Speaker 5: two one at nine o two one oh episode that
Speaker 5: I was on, Like everyone was so nice. I was
Speaker 5: a little scared. I was, you know, brand new in
Speaker 5: the biz. I was a little like, oh, these are
Speaker 5: huge stars, oh my god. And everyone was really nice,
Speaker 5: and I just remember having a really good time and
Speaker 5: really nervous, like I was still learning about like hitting
Speaker 5: my mark and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Like I remember working with you because we got to
Speaker 2: work together and you were awesome and really kind. Even
Speaker 2: though I was a series regular, I was always nervous
Speaker 2: because I remember being guests are on other shows and
Speaker 2: people not being kind to me. So I was always
Speaker 2: nervous about people coming on if Yeah, So I even
Speaker 2: got nervous working with guest stars, Like I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I hope they like me.
Speaker 5: You know, It's all so weird, is when you know,
Speaker 5: now I've been on the other side of the camera
Speaker 5: and also been a series regular, and then there's the
Speaker 5: other side of like you know that that guest star
Speaker 5: is now going to go and talk and tell about
Speaker 5: their experience on your show that you're on, and so
Speaker 5: there's also like, oh my god, I hope I treated
Speaker 5: them right, or I hope it went well for them, or.
Speaker 1: You know, I hope I was having a good day
Speaker 1: that day.
Speaker 2: Right, That's never happened on our show, right, Jen. No
Speaker 2: one went on to say anything any guest stars.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. Maybe a couple. But you've
Speaker 1: had such an incredible career, like you're a long hauler,
Speaker 1: like the two of us. What age did you start
Speaker 1: in the business.
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, twenty two. I wasn't like a kid actor.
Speaker 4: I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't an acting class or anything. I fell into
Speaker 5: it when I was like nineteen and I was in
Speaker 5: Chicago and auditioned for a series out in LA with
Speaker 5: Paul Thomas Witt. Do you remember Paul Thomas Witt. They
Speaker 5: did like gold and they did like all of these
Speaker 5: like early like late eighties sitcoms or whatever. So it
Speaker 5: was for a series regular for that and I ended
Speaker 5: up getting it, and I ended up being moved out
Speaker 5: to LA and that's how I got her.
Speaker 4: But that was really like twenty two, twenty two years old.
Speaker 2: Well, nowadays they would call that a late bloomer. I know, right,
Speaker 2: I don't call it that, but right, yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But back then, it was like, you know, to
Speaker 5: get a gig out of Chicago in LA was a
Speaker 5: huge deal. It's not like now where you can, like,
Speaker 5: you know, on the with the Internet, you can cast
Speaker 5: from any different country that you want. It really doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: But back then it was a pretty cool gig to get.
Speaker 1: Are you from Chicago?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Born and raised, Okay, Midwest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh you too?
Speaker 1: And yeah, are you still not anywhere? You'd probably know
Speaker 1: central Illinois? Like, yeah, I didn't go to Chicago ever,
Speaker 1: but you and then you moved out to LA. Are
Speaker 1: you still located in LA? Or is this I'm still
Speaker 1: in LA?
Speaker 3: I tried, so I think you were in New York.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I've never lived worked.
Speaker 2: Well, when this is over, if we can exchange numbers
Speaker 2: or something. Your skin videos are amazing, but all the
Speaker 2: facialists you posted were.
Speaker 3: In New York, and I'm like, shoot, I just need
Speaker 3: a little no.
Speaker 5: Joanna bargains she's in LA. And Kate Summerville's in LA.
Speaker 5: They're actually LA. They're both okay, so we'll talk.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: You were seeing on your body of work, like I
Speaker 1: have just a few things in front of me Vegas vacation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was. That was my first movie, like ever.
Speaker 1: You played Audrey Griswolds.
Speaker 2: So wait, wait, so the first Audrey was also a
Speaker 2: nine of two one zero Dana Baron, Yes, and then
Speaker 2: our friend Juliet Lewis went on, so were you the
Speaker 2: third incarnation of Audrey?
Speaker 4: I was, Let's see, wasn't there?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: There was like a years one more.
Speaker 4: Before me, and I don't know who was in that.
Speaker 5: I don't remember, but I was like the fourth and
Speaker 5: I was the first, the one that was like not
Speaker 5: National Lampoons.
Speaker 4: It was like a separate one.
Speaker 3: What I sold the franchise, I guess.
Speaker 5: So, I mean it was, oh my god, producer blanking
Speaker 5: on his name, but he was a huge.
Speaker 4: Huge Weineberg whatever his name is.
Speaker 5: He like he represented like the rat Pack back in
Speaker 5: the day, so he was mister Vegas and so they
Speaker 5: allowed him to do it because okay for Vegas, like
Speaker 5: he used to wrap elvis and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But you were a Griswolm and that's all that counts,
Speaker 2: because yeah, that is iconic.
Speaker 4: It was iconic.
Speaker 5: And if you picture me, like when I was on
Speaker 5: your show with the big thick bangs, they're never gonna me.
Speaker 5: Like to me, Audrey Griswold was like the all American,
Speaker 5: you know, a little bit girl, and I didn't think
Speaker 5: I looked like that. And I think I auditioned for
Speaker 5: three months for that role. Wow, yeah, forever and then
Speaker 5: ended up like getting it, like wow, And that was
Speaker 5: the first time I was like I really got to
Speaker 5: hit my mark and like the first time of anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, working, you're working with Chevy Chase. I'd be totally
Speaker 1: stressed too. I love him.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was. It was really nice.
Speaker 1: Oh good, wait, you're also you were also what did
Speaker 1: you play on Can't Hardly Wait? Which?
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, so there was.
Speaker 5: I mean it was this small. It was like maybe
Speaker 5: I was in maybe four or five days. So you
Speaker 5: remember the giant scene with our with like the rock
Speaker 5: guy on the stage and Jennifer Love Hewitt's there and everyone,
Speaker 5: like everyone.
Speaker 3: The most she remembers it her ex husband was.
Speaker 1: The party scene.
Speaker 4: Yes, the party scene.
Speaker 5: Girl that doesn't get to go in the closet and
Speaker 5: make out with him?
Speaker 1: And she said, you wait, who did you want to
Speaker 1: make out with?
Speaker 4: I think it was the geeky guy. Who was that?
Speaker 4: It was the geeky guy Seth Green? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 1: My gosh, that's one of my favorite movies. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love that movie too.
Speaker 1: You've just been on everything I was Friends, Charmed Boy, Me,
Speaker 1: twirl screen too, Like, I'm just like.
Speaker 2: What the highest rated Charmed episode ever?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Yes, really, maybe told us.
Speaker 4: It was. It was quite the outfit. It was quite
Speaker 4: the office.
Speaker 3: Wait, who did you play I should know this show, but.
Speaker 5: Fuller, this girlfriend from the past. The past she's like evil,
Speaker 5: but in present times she is nice, and like the
Speaker 5: evil and the nice come together. And it was like,
Speaker 5: I'm challenging Heather Macomb's character and all of that fun stuff.
Speaker 4: But it was fun. It was a fun role. It
Speaker 4: was a fun role.
Speaker 3: It was just one episode.
Speaker 5: I think it was just one episode. I was supposed
Speaker 5: to be, you know, recurring, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: You had many episodes on Riverdale.
Speaker 5: With Yeah, I mean that I was a series regular.
Speaker 1: First, well, tell us about that experience, Like, did you
Speaker 1: work closely with Luke or in?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was I mean, you guys know it was Luke.
Speaker 4: Luke.
Speaker 5: First of all, he's a total pro, like seasoned season
Speaker 5: season pro, so generous, like so generous, always wanted to
Speaker 5: make the scene better, Like he's not the kind of
Speaker 5: actor to phone it in at all.
Speaker 4: She so could at that level of.
Speaker 5: His career, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Not at all? We worked closely together.
Speaker 5: I mean I was sort of he was like the
Speaker 5: lost love of my life that got to we never
Speaker 5: got together, and I mean we worked really hard to
Speaker 5: make that sort of relationship a big, major, major thing
Speaker 5: and real and like based in reality and not caricature,
Speaker 5: and really talked with the writers and like, hey, can
Speaker 5: we draw this out?
Speaker 4: Can we do this?
Speaker 5: And and Luke actually, I we'd gotten to Vancouver and
Speaker 5: I had my daughter with me. She was eight years
Speaker 5: old at the time, you know, and so we're in
Speaker 5: Vancouver for the first time really, and he took me
Speaker 5: and her and he's like, let me show you about
Speaker 5: the boats. I mean, do you know the boats in
Speaker 5: Granville and you could take the boats over to Grande Island.
Speaker 5: I'll meet you guys there. I'll get you on the boat.
Speaker 5: I'll make sure you're set, and like he was like,
Speaker 5: you don't have to do that, and he was he
Speaker 5: was just That's who.
Speaker 4: Luke was.
Speaker 5: He was always trying to He took all the younger kids,
Speaker 5: like you guys are like this. So when we were
Speaker 5: doing this meaning of the pilot of Riverdale, right and
Speaker 5: all the kids meaning like kJ and Lily and Cammy
Speaker 5: and everyone are like down in the road right below us,
Speaker 5: and me and Luke are sitting back and we're watching
Speaker 5: we're watching the screening and we're watching them. And Luke
Speaker 5: leans over to me and he's like, this reminds me
Speaker 5: nine or two aer He's like, but this time they're
Speaker 5: going to work and he's like, mush, kids, mush, make
Speaker 5: me mush.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was huge for him.
Speaker 2: And I've met several of the youngsters on that show
Speaker 2: and they all have the same story that you know,
Speaker 2: they were, they were new, and he took them under
Speaker 2: his wing and really really wanted to prop them up
Speaker 2: and support them. And yeah, it was beautiful. I got
Speaker 2: to say I was a huge fan of Riverdale, like
Speaker 2: my kids and I watched it and they were super psyched.
Speaker 2: They were like, oh my god, this show we want.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, my friend Luke's and and they
Speaker 2: got it super like badass kick out.
Speaker 3: Of him calling and being like, hey, it's uncle Luke
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh my god, it is Himm You're right,
Speaker 3: And that was everything for them.
Speaker 2: As obsessed with the show as I was, I sadly
Speaker 2: when he passed, I honestly couldn't watch it again.
Speaker 3: And that's just that was a personal choice.
Speaker 4: It was it was hard.
Speaker 5: It was really hard, and the funeral was really hard,
Speaker 5: and it was rough. It was my dad had just
Speaker 5: passed like maybe three weeks prior, and I'd just gotten
Speaker 5: back on set and then that happened, and I mean
Speaker 5: we all just, I mean the whole place shut down.
Speaker 5: We're all just bawling, and the kids were bawling, and
Speaker 5: it was just, you know, Luke can't go into a
Speaker 5: Luke can't go into a room or a job without like.
Speaker 4: Filling that space.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and with not only who he is and the
Speaker 5: size of the being that Luke is, but then also
Speaker 5: his care factor for every single person in the room
Speaker 5: and for the script and for the story and and
Speaker 5: just always had the big picture, not just his role,
Speaker 5: do you know what I mean, like just the whole
Speaker 5: story and where it could go and how it could
Speaker 5: go and how it could be great.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean, you guys know.
Speaker 2: We were in Vancouver at the same time, because you
Speaker 2: guys filled Vancouver and we were doing BH nine O
Speaker 2: two one oh. And we know that Shannon went and
Speaker 2: did the funeral. Yeah, while she was filling with us,
Speaker 2: she went back and forth.
Speaker 5: I actually worked with Shannon. I did a movie years
Speaker 5: later called Friends Till the End on MTV, but it
Speaker 5: was Shannon. I think I played her best friend at
Speaker 5: the time. It was a fun, fun little mtwo.
Speaker 1: Did what happened to your friendship in the movie? I'm
Speaker 1: so curious.
Speaker 4: It's a great question. We're friends till the end. They
Speaker 4: like her and this other like Chucky.
Speaker 5: It became like her best friend or something, and it
Speaker 5: was kind of like all about Eve, kind of weird.
Speaker 4: Story like that.
Speaker 5: And I was more like than going, hey, you shouldn't
Speaker 5: be that and there's something off about this and blah
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah. But I also for at the time,
Speaker 5: there were all these rumors and she was fantastic. She
Speaker 5: was also good, great work quick bro like no drama,
Speaker 5: was great.
Speaker 1: But you know what, those are the stories we hear
Speaker 1: the most. But yeah, you know that bullsh stuff that
Speaker 1: the tabloids and people were talking about was just not
Speaker 1: Yeah she was. They just love to do that to her.
Speaker 3: Marisol. What year was that.
Speaker 5: Friends till the end? I think it was maybe I
Speaker 5: want to say, like ninety I think like ninety eight,
Speaker 5: ninety nine maybe.
Speaker 2: Okay, So did you do that before you did Charmed?
Speaker 2: And was she still uncharmed when you did Charmed?
Speaker 4: It's a great question.
Speaker 5: I think she was still uncharmed when I did Charmed. Okay,
Speaker 5: but I don't think I worked with her yet.
Speaker 2: This just just wild your connection back to nine o
Speaker 2: two one zero and everybody, it's like insane.
Speaker 4: You know, well you guys.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's so many people that were on your show,
Speaker 5: and even Brian. I worked with Brian years later on
Speaker 5: it on a series I did called Resurrection Boulevard. He did.
Speaker 5: I think it was second or third season. He came
Speaker 5: on like the whole season.
Speaker 4: Wow? Or did we ever work together? Come on, I
Speaker 4: know plenty of time that happened, that something we can
Speaker 4: do together.
Speaker 1: You are so talented. You have a podcast to tell
Speaker 1: us about it.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called the Marathon Nichols Podcast, mainly so that
Speaker 5: people could find it, you know, but it's it's gonna
Speaker 5: this is gonna take a dark turn, so I'll try
Speaker 5: and keep it as light as possible. But I have
Speaker 5: been working in the field of human trafficking since I
Speaker 5: mean for over decade now, and I have my own
Speaker 5: nonprofit called Foundation for Slavery Free World.
Speaker 4: And I ended up.
Speaker 5: Through relationships, relationships, relationships, going undercover and using my acting
Speaker 5: skills over the last decade in different states, in different
Speaker 5: countries around the world. To help put bad guys away
Speaker 5: and help get women and children out.
Speaker 4: And so I formed a podcast, Thanks, and.
Speaker 5: I formed a podcast to help get the word out
Speaker 5: and invite invited like not only all the guys that
Speaker 5: I've gone under cover with and different ones, but also
Speaker 5: different law enforcement, different actors in the field, actors in
Speaker 5: a different definition of the work actor.
Speaker 4: We've had the head of.
Speaker 5: Meta on like literally Antikenny Davis, who does all the
Speaker 5: global safety for Facebook and Instagram and all that she's
Speaker 5: been on. And the whole idea is because I had
Speaker 5: this audience of essentially teenagers and women because of Riverdale,
Speaker 5: to go spread the word like, Hey, these are the
Speaker 5: things you need to look out for. This is what's
Speaker 5: going on in your own backyard. This is what the
Speaker 5: bad guys look like, this is the tools that they use.
Speaker 5: This is how you can protect yourself, your friends, your family.
Speaker 5: And that's essentially what the podcast is. It's all of
Speaker 5: those subjects that are essentially encompassing women and children, Like
Speaker 5: I also have women on there, like a wonderful woman
Speaker 5: who has an organization for.
Speaker 4: Foster care kids.
Speaker 5: And so if you think about foster care kids, a
Speaker 5: kid goes into foster care and then they get used
Speaker 5: to the family and they're so happy. And then the
Speaker 5: mom or dad gets out of jail or whatever the
Speaker 5: situation is. Sometimes it's not so fine, and they say
Speaker 5: they want the kid back, and the kid may not
Speaker 5: want to go or the kid wants to go back.
Speaker 5: But so she formed an organization that has lawyers just
Speaker 5: for the children, pro bono, just for the law speak
Speaker 5: for the kids and help them in court.
Speaker 4: And so we also have.
Speaker 5: Stories like that, but it's just it's that whole subject.
Speaker 5: So that's my podcast.
Speaker 1: It's fascinat that world that you're talking about, and I'm
Speaker 1: so intrigued. I want to know more about your undercover experiences.
Speaker 1: I've got to listen to your podcast now for sure.
Speaker 2: And speaking of your undercover experiences, correct me if I'm wrong, please,
Speaker 2: are you developing a scripted show?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So when all of this so, Marie Claire, the magazine
Speaker 5: Marie Claire, came and followed me for a weekend in
Speaker 5: Michigan on some opsite did with the sheriff out there
Speaker 5: that I still actually work with.
Speaker 4: And then they did this seven page spread.
Speaker 5: About the whole thing, and that went everywhere and everyone
Speaker 5: was like blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, Sony ended
Speaker 5: up buying my life rights at the time, and I
Speaker 5: wanted to create a TV show that was because what
Speaker 5: a better way to spread the word on this if
Speaker 5: you can do it through fiction and you can do
Speaker 5: it through stories stuff. So we developed that and then
Speaker 5: lo and behold it's turned Now it's turned into a
Speaker 5: film and I'm still with my same producer from Sony,
Speaker 5: and I think Lifetime is doing it. We're supposed to
Speaker 5: start shooting in March. But until we start shooting, you know, and.
Speaker 3: Of how that goes, Yeah, I will just exactly. Is
Speaker 3: there a working title so far.
Speaker 4: Called Somebody's Daughter? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting really impressive work, Like thanks aside from
Speaker 1: just all the experience and the joy you've brought to
Speaker 1: everybody through your acting roles over the years, Like this
Speaker 1: is the next level changing lives and it's very inspirational.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. It's really into it. Just you're
Speaker 5: meeting all the guys and meeting everyone, and it was like, well, hey,
Speaker 5: can you can you.
Speaker 4: Go to Caever?
Speaker 1: I have to ask you though, knowing what you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a young daughter.
Speaker 3: I do sixteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sixteen.
Speaker 1: I thought it was eight and.
Speaker 3: I got one six year old. Y they're trying.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I don't have a library of
Speaker 1: knowledge about the things that you have. Yeah, all this darkness,
Speaker 1: and I am terrified to let my kids out the door.
Speaker 5: It's one of the main reasons, was like, look, this
Speaker 5: is the world, so the only we're never going to
Speaker 5: like keep them home and keep them fully off the
Speaker 5: internet or fully off of this. So for me it
Speaker 5: was like, look, I'm just going to give her as
Speaker 5: much data as I can without overwhelming her. So she
Speaker 5: knows what to look for, and she does for the
Speaker 5: most part, Like for sure online she's helped her friends
Speaker 5: Like she's like, that's that's the bad guys.
Speaker 1: What do you tell people? Like what are the signs?
Speaker 1: Like what do we need to know? Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: the top what our daughters need to know?
Speaker 5: They essentially it's no longer it's very rare the white
Speaker 5: van that comes and grabs the kids off the street
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's very rarely that.
Speaker 5: It's more you know, if you heard the term grooming,
Speaker 5: but it's more of that.
Speaker 3: No, wait, explain grooming.
Speaker 5: Grooming is like slowly getting someone used to the idea
Speaker 5: of doing something that.
Speaker 4: They normally would not do.
Speaker 5: Right, Like, you can use it in the sense of
Speaker 5: like try not to be so dark and how to
Speaker 5: explain it without being too dark. But when a kid
Speaker 5: is under the hold of a really bad actor or
Speaker 5: trafficker or whoever, in order to get that kid used
Speaker 5: to doing things that they normally would never do, they
Speaker 5: might show them porn, they might show them things that
Speaker 5: they normally wouldn't see. And that's grooming them. That's getting
Speaker 5: them used to going see this is a good thing.
Speaker 5: See dead da da da da da da.
Speaker 1: In essence, getting the kid to trust them.
Speaker 5: Right exactly, and getting them to sort of let go
Speaker 5: of their own values and morals and things that they
Speaker 5: would normally have as their reality.
Speaker 4: And changing something else.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So online with let's say twelve year old,
Speaker 5: fourteen years fifteen year old or whatever, they just reach
Speaker 5: out through chat rooms because everyone's used to chat rooms
Speaker 5: and dms and that and the other, and they have
Speaker 5: a thousand fake accounts and it's literally you know, the
Speaker 5: guy with a thousand fake accounts in the basement with
Speaker 5: a ton of computers and just all day long calling
Speaker 5: the internet to try and find someone who will chat
Speaker 5: with them and talk with them.
Speaker 4: And that fits the profile of.
Speaker 5: Someone who's insecure vulnerable, usually from either a bad family
Speaker 5: or they think it's a bad family environment. You know,
Speaker 5: like they might post like schow my parents or something
Speaker 5: like that, and that's like, oh great, I can go
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 4: They're looking for that.
Speaker 5: Or let's say or let's say it's something like I
Speaker 5: don't know, let's say it's out You're at a mall
Speaker 5: or something and there's a there's like a bunch of girls,
Speaker 5: and the trafficker who looks like a normal guy will
Speaker 5: look like a completely normal guy or woman.
Speaker 3: Young. I just want to ask twenty can.
Speaker 5: Be twenties, thirties, like yeah, Michael ooh you're beautiful. And
Speaker 5: let's say that all the other teenage girls are like ew,
Speaker 5: and the one is like that's the one.
Speaker 3: That they'll they know the traffickers and they know.
Speaker 5: They're going after the vulnerable population, vulnerable children, vulnerable women,
Speaker 5: and that's that's like it's just the reality now, it
Speaker 5: just is. And it's it's not only women, it's also men.
Speaker 5: I mean it's not only men, it's also women. And
Speaker 5: they look like normal people, which makes you want to scream.
Speaker 4: But they don't. They don't look like.
Speaker 5: What you would think they would look like, or whatever's
Speaker 5: in your mind, or the men that show up to
Speaker 5: buy the trafficked girl for half an hour or an hour.
Speaker 4: They're normal people.
Speaker 5: Their husbands, their wives, or teachers, they're they're bankers, they're
Speaker 5: normal everyday people.
Speaker 2: I have an ignorant question, just because you're really like
Speaker 2: informing us at this point, and this is very useful.
Speaker 3: Do they ever traffic young boys?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so in America most of the boys are runaways
Speaker 5: boys and girls. But there's a there's a saying that
Speaker 5: foster care is a pipeline to trafficking usually for girls,
Speaker 5: and a pipeline to prison for the boys. And then
Speaker 5: if you're a runaway boy, forget it. I mean a
Speaker 5: runaway boy or girl, you're within three four days you're
Speaker 5: picked up. And yeah, and the foster care kids are
Speaker 5: very easy. And runaway kids are easy because there's no
Speaker 5: parent there looking out for that kid or the missing
Speaker 5: or any of that. There's no system and there's no
Speaker 5: family system there.
Speaker 1: You know, before we let you go, I want to
Speaker 1: know what is the signal the healthiess. Yeah, the signal,
Speaker 1: like I've heard, I've seen and heard through my daughters,
Speaker 1: there's like.
Speaker 5: It's like this, that's the help signal flashing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So if you see like the thumb goes in, that's
Speaker 5: if you nail are or someone and they're they're going
Speaker 5: like this, they're signaling for help, but they can't yell help,
Speaker 5: they can't anything. And one last thing is if you
Speaker 5: do have kids out there, I've taught my you know,
Speaker 5: you teach your kids to be polite, polite, polite, polite,
Speaker 5: except if someone's doing something or trying to grab you.
Speaker 5: And then I drilled it into my daughter, especially when
Speaker 5: she was younger, to scream your freaking head off, kick,
Speaker 5: scream bite everything. And if they tell you they're going
Speaker 5: to hurt you or hurt me, they're lying. Scream bite
Speaker 5: and they will run.
Speaker 1: I love this topic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: People should. There's so much we should know about this.
Speaker 1: We should continue this conversation. But thank you for talking
Speaker 1: about acting and all all the things, the fun things
Speaker 1: we were talking about, but you're you're really making a
Speaker 1: difference out there, and it's so inspiring.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Thanks for having me