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Speaker 1: It's nine Gene Onegine with Jenny Garth and Tory Spelling.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Nichols one of the best names in the biz from Nichols.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so great to see. We just saw you

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Speaker 1: on one of the episodes from season six where you

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Speaker 1: are Ray Preuitt's beautiful new girlfriend.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Wendy Stevens, right, yeah, yes, bull bangs.

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Speaker 4: Remember, Yes. I saw the pictures. I looked them up.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, it reminded me of an Instagram

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Speaker 2: post that you had put up saying remembering when you

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Speaker 2: were just a little punk, And I was like, in

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Speaker 2: that character, wow, you felt Donna should be sorry, Donoughy

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Speaker 2: should be happy because Ray is obviously moved on and

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Speaker 2: he's and love and she seems to be a better

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Speaker 2: fit for him. But the two of you, you guys,

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Speaker 2: looked great together.

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Speaker 4: I gotta say, thank you, thanks very much. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: was fun. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember being on the episode that day? Like,

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Speaker 1: do you remember filming that You've worked so many times?

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Speaker 1: This is a crazy question to say, do you remember

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Speaker 1: that one day?

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Speaker 4: I was brand It was brand new for me.

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Speaker 5: So I just moved from Chicago, so coming from Chicago,

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Speaker 5: I think I did. I did an episode of like

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Speaker 5: some TV show that's shot in Canada.

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Speaker 4: Due South.

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Speaker 5: It was called and the director from Due South, Gil

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Speaker 5: was going to direct your that episode.

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Speaker 3: Bill Shelton, Yes, exactly, okay.

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Speaker 5: The next week, so he asked me to come an

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Speaker 5: audition for that, and then that's how I ended up.

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Speaker 2: My soon to be ex husband was on Due South.

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Speaker 2: Dean McDermott.

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Speaker 5: Oh, really amazing the soon to be I understand that

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Speaker 5: I've been there, yes, but yeah, so that's how I

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Speaker 5: ended up so well for me, it was a big

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Speaker 5: It was like.

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Speaker 1: So this was like your second acting job ever, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Like maybe like third or maybe third or fourth, but

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Speaker 5: like brand new, like I've maybe been in a.

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Speaker 4: Life for like a year.

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Speaker 5: So it was really it was like, oh wow, okay, great, amazing.

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Speaker 1: So it was memorable.

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Speaker 2: I like that, or so they talk you'd come back

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Speaker 2: like I couldn't remember. We couldn't remember, Like Jamie was

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Speaker 2: the series regular, right and then he left the show

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Speaker 2: because sadly they wrote him as hardcore woman abuser and

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Speaker 2: couldn't make it come back.

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Speaker 3: Like the female fans were like, what you beat him?

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Speaker 3: Donna push you down? This years or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so then we were saying that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they made him redeemable as best they could, and he

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Speaker 2: had a new song and so that we can't listen

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Speaker 2: to because they will not stream any of the episodes

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Speaker 2: with music.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so we used.

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Speaker 3: Watching one DVD, which he's unfortunate for the fans.

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Speaker 4: I need have to pay music, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there was talk of him like

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Speaker 2: coming back more so, did they talk to you about

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Speaker 2: that character be recurring at one point?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: When I got it, there were like, this is possible recurring,

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Speaker 5: which I was still learning what that even meant.

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Speaker 4: Like I was that brand brand new.

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Speaker 5: But I was I was like cool, great, that'd be amazing,

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Speaker 5: like and it was funny because because I you know,

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Speaker 5: I ended up working with Luke like years years later,

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Speaker 5: but I had still I'd always remembered the nine o

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Speaker 5: two one at nine o two one oh episode that

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Speaker 5: I was on, Like everyone was so nice. I was

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Speaker 5: a little scared. I was, you know, brand new in

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Speaker 5: the biz. I was a little like, oh, these are

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Speaker 5: huge stars, oh my god. And everyone was really nice,

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Speaker 5: and I just remember having a really good time and

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Speaker 5: really nervous, like I was still learning about like hitting

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Speaker 5: my mark and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Like I remember working with you because we got to

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Speaker 2: work together and you were awesome and really kind. Even

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Speaker 2: though I was a series regular, I was always nervous

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Speaker 2: because I remember being guests are on other shows and

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Speaker 2: nervous about people coming on if Yeah, So I even

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Speaker 2: got nervous working with guest stars, Like I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I hope they like me.

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Speaker 5: You know, It's all so weird, is when you know,

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Speaker 5: now I've been on the other side of the camera

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Speaker 5: other side of like you know that that guest star

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Speaker 5: is now going to go and talk and tell about

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Speaker 5: their experience on your show that you're on, and so

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Speaker 5: there's also like, oh my god, I hope I treated

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Speaker 5: them right, or I hope it went well for them, or.

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Speaker 1: You know, I hope I was having a good day

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Speaker 1: that day.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's never happened on our show, right, Jen. No

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Speaker 2: one went on to say anything any guest stars.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. Maybe a couple. But you've

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Speaker 1: had such an incredible career, like you're a long hauler,

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Speaker 1: like the two of us. What age did you start

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Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, twenty two. I wasn't like a kid actor.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't an acting class or anything. I fell into

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Speaker 5: it when I was like nineteen and I was in

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Speaker 5: Chicago and auditioned for a series out in LA with

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Speaker 5: Paul Thomas Witt. Do you remember Paul Thomas Witt. They

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Speaker 5: did like gold and they did like all of these

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Speaker 5: like early like late eighties sitcoms or whatever. So it

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Speaker 5: was for a series regular for that and I ended

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Speaker 5: up getting it, and I ended up being moved out

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Speaker 5: to LA and that's how I got her.

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Speaker 4: But that was really like twenty two, twenty two years old.

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Speaker 2: Well, nowadays they would call that a late bloomer. I know, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't call it that, but right, yeah, I guess so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But back then, it was like, you know, to

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Speaker 5: get a gig out of Chicago in LA was a

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Speaker 5: huge deal. It's not like now where you can, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, on the with the Internet, you can cast

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Speaker 5: from any different country that you want. It really doesn't matter.

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Speaker 5: But back then it was a pretty cool gig to get.

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Speaker 1: Are you from Chicago?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Born and raised, Okay, Midwest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh you too?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, are you still not anywhere? You'd probably know

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Speaker 1: central Illinois? Like, yeah, I didn't go to Chicago ever,

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Speaker 1: but you and then you moved out to LA. Are

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Speaker 1: you still located in LA? Or is this I'm still

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Speaker 3: I tried, so I think you were in New York.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I've never lived worked.

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Speaker 2: Well, when this is over, if we can exchange numbers

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Speaker 2: or something. Your skin videos are amazing, but all the

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Speaker 2: facialists you posted were.

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Speaker 3: In New York, and I'm like, shoot, I just need

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Speaker 3: a little no.

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Speaker 5: Joanna bargains she's in LA. And Kate Summerville's in LA.

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Speaker 5: They're actually LA. They're both okay, so we'll talk.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You were seeing on your body of work, like I

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Speaker 1: have just a few things in front of me Vegas vacation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was. That was my first movie, like ever.

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Speaker 1: You played Audrey Griswolds.

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Speaker 2: So wait, wait, so the first Audrey was also a

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Speaker 2: nine of two one zero Dana Baron, Yes, and then

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Speaker 2: our friend Juliet Lewis went on, so were you the

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Speaker 2: third incarnation of Audrey?

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Speaker 4: I was, Let's see, wasn't there?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: There was like a years one more.

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Speaker 4: Before me, and I don't know who was in that.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember, but I was like the fourth and

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Speaker 5: I was the first, the one that was like not

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Speaker 5: National Lampoons.

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Speaker 4: It was like a separate one.

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Speaker 3: What I sold the franchise, I guess.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean it was, oh my god, producer blanking

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Speaker 4: Huge Weineberg whatever his name is.

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Speaker 5: He like he represented like the rat Pack back in

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Speaker 2: But you were a Griswolm and that's all that counts,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, that is iconic.

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Speaker 4: It was iconic.

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Speaker 5: And if you picture me, like when I was on

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Speaker 5: your show with the big thick bangs, they're never gonna me.

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Speaker 5: Like to me, Audrey Griswold was like the all American,

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Speaker 5: three months for that role. Wow, yeah, forever and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, working, you're working with Chevy Chase. I'd be totally

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Speaker 4: Yeah he was. It was really nice.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, wait, you're also you were also what did

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Speaker 1: you play on Can't Hardly Wait? Which?

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Speaker 4: Oh, okay, so there was.

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Speaker 5: I mean it was this small. It was like maybe

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Speaker 5: I was in maybe four or five days. So you

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Speaker 5: remember the giant scene with our with like the rock

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Speaker 3: The most she remembers it her ex husband was.

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Speaker 1: The party scene.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the party scene.

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Speaker 5: Girl that doesn't get to go in the closet and

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Speaker 1: And she said, you wait, who did you want to

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Speaker 4: I think it was the geeky guy. Who was that?

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Speaker 4: It was the geeky guy Seth Green? Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: My gosh, that's one of my favorite movies. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love that movie too.

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Speaker 1: You've just been on everything I was Friends, Charmed Boy, Me,

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Speaker 1: twirl screen too, Like, I'm just like.

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Speaker 2: What the highest rated Charmed episode ever?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Yes, really, maybe told us.

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Speaker 4: It was. It was quite the outfit. It was quite

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Speaker 4: the office.

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Speaker 3: Wait, who did you play I should know this show, but.

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Speaker 5: Fuller, this girlfriend from the past. The past she's like evil,

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Speaker 5: but in present times she is nice, and like the

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Speaker 5: evil and the nice come together. And it was like,

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Speaker 5: I'm challenging Heather Macomb's character and all of that fun stuff.

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Speaker 4: But it was fun. It was a fun role. It

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Speaker 4: was a fun role.

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Speaker 3: It was just one episode.

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Speaker 5: I think it was just one episode. I was supposed

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Speaker 5: to be, you know, recurring, but it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: You had many episodes on Riverdale.

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Speaker 5: With Yeah, I mean that I was a series regular.

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Speaker 1: First, well, tell us about that experience, Like, did you

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Speaker 1: work closely with Luke or in?

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Speaker 1: It's fascinat that world that you're talking about, and I'm

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Speaker 5: So when all of this so, Marie Claire, the magazine

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Speaker 4: And then they did this seven page spread.

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Speaker 3: Of how that goes, Yeah, I will just exactly. Is

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Speaker 4: Called Somebody's Daughter? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting really impressive work, Like thanks aside from

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. It's really into it. Just you're

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Speaker 1: What do you tell people? Like what are the signs?

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Speaker 1: Like what do we need to know? Yeah, what are

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Speaker 1: the top what our daughters need to know?

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Speaker 5: They essentially it's no longer it's very rare the white

451
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Speaker 5: van that comes and grabs the kids off the street

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Speaker 5: or whatever.

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Speaker 4: It's very rarely that.

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Speaker 5: It's more you know, if you heard the term grooming,

455
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Speaker 5: but it's more of that.

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Speaker 3: No, wait, explain grooming.

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Speaker 5: Grooming is like slowly getting someone used to the idea

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Speaker 5: of doing something that.

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Speaker 4: They normally would not do.

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Speaker 5: Right, Like, you can use it in the sense of

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Speaker 5: like try not to be so dark and how to

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Speaker 5: explain it without being too dark. But when a kid

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Speaker 5: is under the hold of a really bad actor or

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Speaker 5: trafficker or whoever, in order to get that kid used

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Speaker 5: to doing things that they normally would never do, they

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Speaker 5: might show them porn, they might show them things that

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Speaker 5: they normally wouldn't see. And that's grooming them. That's getting

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Speaker 5: them used to going see this is a good thing.

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Speaker 5: See dead da da da da da da.

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Speaker 1: In essence, getting the kid to trust them.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly, and getting them to sort of let go

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Speaker 5: of their own values and morals and things that they

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Speaker 5: would normally have as their reality.

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Speaker 4: And changing something else.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So online with let's say twelve year old,

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Speaker 5: fourteen years fifteen year old or whatever, they just reach

477
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Speaker 5: out through chat rooms because everyone's used to chat rooms

478
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Speaker 5: and dms and that and the other, and they have

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Speaker 5: a thousand fake accounts and it's literally you know, the

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Speaker 5: guy with a thousand fake accounts in the basement with

481
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Speaker 5: a ton of computers and just all day long calling

482
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Speaker 5: the internet to try and find someone who will chat

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Speaker 5: with them and talk with them.

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Speaker 4: And that fits the profile of.

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Speaker 5: Someone who's insecure vulnerable, usually from either a bad family

486
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Speaker 5: or they think it's a bad family environment. You know,

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Speaker 5: like they might post like schow my parents or something

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Speaker 5: like that, and that's like, oh great, I can go

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Speaker 5: in there.

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Speaker 4: They're looking for that.

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Speaker 5: Or let's say or let's say it's something like I

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Speaker 5: don't know, let's say it's out You're at a mall

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Speaker 5: or something and there's a there's like a bunch of girls,

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Speaker 5: and the trafficker who looks like a normal guy will

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Speaker 5: look like a completely normal guy or woman.

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Speaker 3: Young. I just want to ask twenty can.

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Speaker 5: Be twenties, thirties, like yeah, Michael ooh you're beautiful. And

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Speaker 5: let's say that all the other teenage girls are like ew,

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Speaker 5: and the one is like that's the one.

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Speaker 3: That they'll they know the traffickers and they know.

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Speaker 5: They're going after the vulnerable population, vulnerable children, vulnerable women,

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Speaker 5: and that's that's like it's just the reality now, it

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Speaker 5: just is. And it's it's not only women, it's also men.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's not only men, it's also women. And

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Speaker 5: they look like normal people, which makes you want to scream.

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Speaker 4: But they don't. They don't look like.

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Speaker 5: What you would think they would look like, or whatever's

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Speaker 5: in your mind, or the men that show up to

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Speaker 5: buy the trafficked girl for half an hour or an hour.

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Speaker 4: They're normal people.

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Speaker 5: Their husbands, their wives, or teachers, they're they're bankers, they're

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Speaker 5: normal everyday people.

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Speaker 2: I have an ignorant question, just because you're really like

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Speaker 2: informing us at this point, and this is very useful.

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Speaker 3: Do they ever traffic young boys?

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Speaker 4: Of course?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so in America most of the boys are runaways

518
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Speaker 5: boys and girls. But there's a there's a saying that

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Speaker 5: foster care is a pipeline to trafficking usually for girls,

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Speaker 5: and a pipeline to prison for the boys. And then

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Speaker 5: if you're a runaway boy, forget it. I mean a

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Speaker 5: runaway boy or girl, you're within three four days you're

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Speaker 5: picked up. And yeah, and the foster care kids are

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Speaker 5: very easy. And runaway kids are easy because there's no

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Speaker 5: parent there looking out for that kid or the missing

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Speaker 5: or any of that. There's no system and there's no

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Speaker 5: family system there.

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Speaker 1: You know, before we let you go, I want to

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Speaker 1: know what is the signal the healthiess. Yeah, the signal,

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Speaker 1: like I've heard, I've seen and heard through my daughters,

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Speaker 1: there's like.

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Speaker 5: It's like this, that's the help signal flashing it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So if you see like the thumb goes in, that's

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Speaker 5: if you nail are or someone and they're they're going

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Speaker 5: like this, they're signaling for help, but they can't yell help,

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Speaker 5: they can't anything. And one last thing is if you

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Speaker 5: do have kids out there, I've taught my you know,

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Speaker 5: you teach your kids to be polite, polite, polite, polite,

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Speaker 5: except if someone's doing something or trying to grab you.

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Speaker 5: And then I drilled it into my daughter, especially when

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Speaker 5: she was younger, to scream your freaking head off, kick,

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Speaker 5: scream bite everything. And if they tell you they're going

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Speaker 5: to hurt you or hurt me, they're lying. Scream bite

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Speaker 5: and they will run.

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Speaker 1: I love this topic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like.

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Speaker 1: People should. There's so much we should know about this.

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Speaker 1: We should continue this conversation. But thank you for talking

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Speaker 1: about acting and all all the things, the fun things

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Speaker 1: we were talking about, but you're you're really making a

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Speaker 1: difference out there, and it's so inspiring.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Thanks for having me