WEBVTT - The Full Monty 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.880 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:07.920 woen inum, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:13.000 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef invest start 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.720 changing it with the Bell Cast. Hey, Jamie, I have 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.920 to tell you something. Oh yeah, what what is it? 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:27.200 You know how we will resume touring and doing live shows, 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.040 you know, when it's safe. Yeah, of course. Well I 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:36.960 told everyone that we would be doing them completely nude. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:43.680 Is that okay? No, no, But we have to give 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:46.800 them something that the other podcast hosts don't. We have 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.920 to go the full Monty. I okay, fine, you know what, 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.280 you know what, but only if it's shot from the back. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.360 Only if it's shot from the back, And then yes, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.680 I will do it. Yeah, we will just do our 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.440 shows with our butts facing the audience. Wouldn't be the 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.759 first time, it would be the first time in backtel 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.120 cast history that I wonder what if we just like 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.280 launched into a tour announcement. After that, we're like, so 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.320 does that sound exciting? And guess what, Chicago, We're finally 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:26.000 coming to your city. We're coming to your city. There, 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.319 you know what I in that that scene, I was like, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.280 they should bail on him, they should bail on him. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.520 There's a lot of times where I'm like, you know, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.000 I get why gas is is our is our is 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.959 our he's our protagonist. We're supposed to root for him. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:41.919 But there were a few times where I'm like, guys, 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:50.880 you've crossed several lines and I'm seeing everyone's points very clearly. Yeah, 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.800 he makes some choices. Certain choices were made in gazes, life, 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:01.480 choices were made. Welcome to the Back to Happy Birthday, Caitlin, 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.800 it's your birthday episode. Thank you so much. I'm so 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:10.680 delighted to be doing this movie. This is one of 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:15.320 my favorites. I love the full Monty. It's it's nice 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.799 to be having a birthday, something, something to look forward to, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.720 some happy I feel like it is the is the 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.679 nice thing for I mean, we're we're you know then 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.440 that's very regional, but but here it's you know, these 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.120 birthdays are better than the last birthdays, and that's yes, great. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:38.280 So yeah, this is our podcast, The Bechtel Has, by 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.040 the way, and uh, this is our podcast where we 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.840 examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens using the Bechtel 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.680 Tests simply as a jumping off point, Jamie, is my birthday. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.000 I don't feel like you know saying what the Bechtel 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.840 test is that you do it literally? Fine, Yes, I 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.760 can tell you that. The Bechtel test is a media 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:02.239 matric invented by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.320 Bechdel Wallace test for our purposes, to people of a 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.560 marginalized gender with names have a two line or more 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:14.280 discussion about something other than a man, and we request 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:20.480 going forward that that the conversation be meaningful in the plot, 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.480 that it has some sort of effect on what happens, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:29.240 and it's not just a throwaway exchange. Okay, yes, So 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:35.000 that's the test, and this is the podcast and the 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:41.000 movie again is the full Monty, Jamie, what's your relationship 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:45.040 with this movie? It has to do with you? It's 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.400 literally I had not I'd heard of this movie quite 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.200 a bit. I didn't really know what it was about. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.000 And then a couple of Christmases ago, because we keep 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:59.040 Christmas together and uh and yeah you you you turned 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.920 it on and I have we loved it. There you go. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.160 I'm so glad and it was it was fun too, 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.040 because I mean, I think we want. We like kind 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:08.800 of half watched it on Christmas and I was like, wow, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.160 this is really heartwarming. And then we watched Paddington Too, 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.080 which was all of them were heartwarming. Oh my goodness. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.359 And now it's officially the greatest movie of all time. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.839 I know it's by Citizen paing take that you turned, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.479 you know what. I think that we can now double 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.839 down on never covering Citizen Game because now it's the 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.840 worst movie ever made. I think that's how that works, right, Yeah, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.039 it's a cyclical. It's a cyclical. Once you leave the top, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.400 you have actually been brought down to dead last um. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.280 But yeah, no, My my history of it is you 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.480 showed it to me um over a holiday, and I 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.880 really enjoyed it and it was really interesting to watch 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.600 for podcast purposes. There's so much to talk about. Yes, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.239 what's your history? My mom introduced me to this movie 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.240 when I was in high school. He kept renting and 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.960 raving about it and saying, Caitlin, this is such a 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.920 good movie. I think you'll really like it. And I 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.400 was resistant at first because I was like a thing 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.719 that my mom likes, there's no way it's good or cool. 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:20.000 And then I watched it Finally, I was probably a 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.560 sophomore in high school and I saw it. I think 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.640 she and I watched it together and I loved it, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.200 So my mom was right. Turns out my mom has 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.360 pretty good taste in media at least, and I've loved 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.400 it ever since. I watched this movie several times a year. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:45.359 I've seen it probably like forty times now, but I 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:52.280 haven't watched it through the Bechtel cast lens until until now. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:58.640 Uh there's yeah, there there's I think for indie movie, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.960 there's a hell of a to talk about. Yes, yes, 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.760 there sure is. Should I just dive in to the 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.520 recap and yeah, let's go for it. It's I mean, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.840 it's your birthday. Lead the way, Oh my gosh, I 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:20.120 will guide you. Okay. So we open on a seventies 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.919 era news reel about Sheffield, England, which I learned was 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:29.160 like a real, like an actual like promotional movie made 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.600 about Sheffield. It's like a classic come to our industrial town. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.719 There's things going on here, we swear. It feels kind 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.120 of familiar, and it's you're also like, this is all 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:47.279 lies right, and it is indeed about how Sheffield is 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:52.479 an industrial hot spot with an amazing nightlife and cool 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:58.720 things to do, and also it manufactures steal. Then we 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.400 cut to twenty five years later, the steel mill has closed. 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:08.360 We meet Gas, which is Robert Carlyle and his pal 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:15.480 Dave Mark Addie, who are unemployed steel mill workers. Gaz's 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:23.120 son Nathan is a boy Nivee, and I like, I, um, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.760 this is for for Americans. Uh, watching this movie for 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.840 the first time, You're gonna want to have the subtitles 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.480 on more so than usual because I was like there 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:37.560 was whole I was like, holy knife. Even with the subtitles, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:42.280 there's so much slang, like Yorkshire slang, that you you 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.239 have to do a lot of googling. There is also 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.480 some did you notice this? Um I I watched I 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.880 was watching this on Amazon Prime. Fun Jeff Bezos, but 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.160 I was watching it on Amazon Prime. But there were 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.840 like little phrases that were it seems like they were 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.560 a d ard to be Americanized, but in the subtitles 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.440 they remained English. Yeah, there was like they changed like 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.840 an English credit card to like master card or like 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.280 the little things like that. I was like, oh, they like, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.640 I feel like that's like TBS syndrome or something. When 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.920 it was like oh. When they started syndicating this movie 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.000 in America, they changed things so that it would make 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:25.720 sense to our puny brains, right. But then there's also 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:32.880 large swaths of dialogue where they say something like um, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:37.520 there's now now, which means nothing, or oh, I know 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:42.760 more than some chuffin woman, or um, which is a 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.000 very feminist thing to say, or don't get a benny on. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.880 I never I never cracked that one. What is that? 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.920 I think it just means like it's like kind of 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:58.480 like don't get your panties in a bunch maybe, okay, okay. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:04.160 I did consult my friend Jake. Shout out Jake, who 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.200 lived in Sheffield for a couple of years, and I 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.880 was like, I was like, Jake, tell me, because yeah, 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.320 I think he went to to university their Uni. Yeah. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.960 But he was like, I honestly have not heard a 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.320 lot of this slang. So I don't know if it 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.920 was like nineties era slang that had like kind of 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:23.679 gone out of style by the time you lived there, 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.920 could have been really relegated to like working class slang. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.720 There's a lot of possibilities. My favorite, my favorite turn 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.559 of phrase happens really early in the movie when they're 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.520 walking towards the Chippendale show and Gas is like, what 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.960 is this and Nathan is like, it's them Chippendale efforts, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.080 And it's like, what an interesting way to say that. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.680 I want to start calling all performances efforts. Um. I 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.440 feel like it's a more honest way of referring to 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.920 most performance like like our upcoming live shows, the Bectel 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.920 cast efforts. Yeah, were gonna start calling them our live efforts. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.040 And you know if you don't like them that we 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:06.760 didn't say you're gonna like them. We said it was 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.880 gonna there was gonna be effort put in. Yeah, we 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.800 were gonna try. That's all. That's all we can do. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.520 Oh goodness. Um. Yeah. So there's a lot of very 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.560 specific regional slang in the movie that makes some of 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:26.360 the dialogue a bit difficult to understand for Americans and 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.880 I'm sure other groups. But it's fun, but it's it's 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:35.240 fun to decode. Yes indeed. Okay, So where were we, um, Gaz, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:39.680 Dave and Nathan are all in this steel mill trying 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:44.439 to steal an old girder or like an I I 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.000 what do we like? An ib my guess that would 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.720 have was what I would know that as um, yeah, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.280 that sounds about right, yeah, so that they can like 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.360 sell it for scrap metal because they're unemployed and they 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:01.240 have very little money. Right on the way back home, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:06.160 they pass a working men's club basically like a venue 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:11.360 a strip club where these Chippendale efforts are happening. So 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.800 it's like it's like ladies night at the men's club 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.880 essentially right right, because it's for women only, and Dave's 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:26.040 his wife, Jean is there. Gas and Nathan sneak into 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.200 the club. Jean and her friends come into the restroom. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.480 They overhear Jean talking about how like Dave has given 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.480 up on their relationship, and then someone peas on a 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:42.520 wall deciding very exciting. Then we see Gas and Dave 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.760 at job club, which is like an unemployment office. Um, 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.240 they're trying to get jobs. Their former boss Gerald that's 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:56.840 Tom Wilkinson is there and they're talking about the strip 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:01.480 club and they're making remarks about sort of like how 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.839 they feel obsolete as men, but also like oh, there 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.720 were so many women there and they were paying money 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:13.760 to see men dance around. Then Gas gets noticed that 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.800 he's going to lose joint custody of Nathan if he 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.439 doesn't pay child support, which he can't afford to do. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.760 This is a moment that in a in a very 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.480 different way. But this specific character of Barry, who's like 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.120 the new dad in town, he reminds me so much 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.720 of Neil from the Santa Claus franchise. I was like, Oh, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:44.080 the new dad in town. I know this character. It's 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.360 a very like it's I mean, it's a it's a 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.199 stock character that's existed for a long time, like so 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.400 and so's new significant other and they're like villainized in 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.959 a way that is probably not fair. Uh, but I 0:12:58.280 --> 0:12:59.920 feel like in the nineties it was such a spec 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.920 civic vibe that it was like and also he's got 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.160 a lot of hair, and he's wearing a sweater like 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.560 it was a really specific aesthetic of like, if you 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.679 are the new dad, you are wearing like a knit sweater, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:20.960 a cable knit sweater. This was also carry you Else's 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.239 character in Liar Liar, a big movie of my childhood. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.400 I have never They're like, I just have never seen it. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:34.160 Jim Carrey and Adam Sandler. Cannon is like completely eluded 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.520 me as a youth, probably for the best I think 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.440 I'm better off for it. But but there are you know, 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.160 some some basic uh you know, party talk literacy that 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:48.240 I just can't I can't keep up is liar, liar? Good? Um, 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.720 I have not seen it since I was probably twelve, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.760 so all right, but I don't imagine it holds up 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.319 very well. Reasonable, But I loved it when I was twelve. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.840 Oh what if everything we love when we were twelve? 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.200 Howld up? You know I'd still be watching rent it, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:12.559 you know. Anyways, Anyways, so Gaz argues with his ex 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:17.760 wife Mandy about this soul custody situation, and then he 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:23.120 gets the idea to put on a strip show as 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.720 a way of earning money to pay child support, which 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.520 he pitches to Dave, who is like, um no, this 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.800 doesn't sound like a good idea. Then they come upon Lumper, 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.200 a security guard at the steel mill who they rescue 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:45.680 from a suicide attempt, and they befriend him and they 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.400 all start hanging out and they rope him into this 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.800 strip show. That scene is very I mean, we'll talk 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.680 about it, but that scene is very sweet. Where he's 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.200 where they're like where, it's it's such a I don't know, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.440 it's it's fun watching, like the the way that bonding 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.080 happens in this movie of like where they're all kind 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.840 of yelling at each other still, but they're trying to 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.120 be friends to each other. It's very sweet where they're like, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.120 where are your mates now? And he's like, oh, okay, 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.520 like why are we yelling? But you know, I appreciate 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:22.120 the sentiment. Yeah, And then Gas is still on about 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.360 this strip show. He can't let it go, and Dave 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.680 is kind of warming up to the idea. Nathan is 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.400 very embarrassed by his dad. Well, Nathan just shouldn't be 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.720 around whatever is going on here. That's like my main 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.080 thing with Gas, like the well talk in general, I 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:45.240 don't think that gazes. Ex wife Mandy is demonized really, 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:50.280 which is good because I don't really I very much 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.280 see where she's coming from. Um, it seems like her 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:58.160 son is repeatedly being put in pretty unsafe, irresponsible situations. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:04.720 You're not wrong, Yeah, yeah, So he's there, He, like guys, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.440 is trying to do a strip tease just to like 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.440 see how it goes. He's terrible at it, it's embarrassed, 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.320 he runs away. Yes, It's so it's very funny, and 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.760 they realize that they can't really dance and they don't 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.320 know what they're doing. So they approach their old boss, Gerald, 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.960 who does like ballroom dance, and they asked him to 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.960 join their group. Gerald's whole thing is that he hasn't 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:33.160 told his wife that he's lost his job because he's 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:38.000 too proud um and he eventually agrees to join the group. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.840 Then they hold auditions to add a couple more men 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.720 to their troop. They recruit Horse who's got some good 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:52.960 dance moves, and guy who has a large penis, and 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.520 that's what he has to contribute to the group. What's 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:00.280 the phrase that's like the lunchbox has landed. I'm like, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.760 that's such a fun line of dialogue where I'm like, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.679 out of context of like, this could mean anything, but 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.320 in context, I'm like, I know exactly what he's talking about. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:12.840 Do you remember on my Space when you could have 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:17.400 just like a little like tagline in your profile. That 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.159 was my tagline for the entire time I had my Space, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:25.720 The lunchbox has landed. Oh my god, that is on it? 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.520 That is that holds up. I feel like mine were 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.399 just like bright eyes lyrics. Mine were pretty embarrassing and 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.560 we're like I wish I could write a perfect son 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:44.119 it like embarrassing. Oh goodness, Okay. They then steal a 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:49.280 copy of Flashdance and watch it for inspiration. We gotta 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.240 cover Flashdance on the podcast at some point. By the way, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.440 there's so many levels of things I want to talk 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.760 about with Flash Dance because it's directed by the same 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:03.719 guy who directed Lolita. There's it's an Adrianne. Holy sh it. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.560 I did not know that it was his first big movie. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.560 How wild? How did he? I mean, I haven't watched 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.320 it in a couple of years, but I feel like 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.120 Flashdance is like cool with some feminist themes, and then 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.040 all of a sudden Lolita, like, how did things go 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.920 so wrong? Well, I I I could connect the dots there. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.600 I think I think it's because once he did um 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.600 Fatal Attraction, he was like, oh, I'm just never it. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.119 He made so much money, um, you know, making women 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:42.000 look um horrible that I think he's like, let's just 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.639 roll with this. That's my theory. But also I just 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.440 don't I think he's just kind of mediocre. But Flashdance itself, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.359 I haven't seen it in like ten years, but I 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.520 really liked watching it. I just I associate that movie 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.439 with sweating because you just it makes you want to 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:04.639 get up dance. It's true anyway, so we'll cover it someday. 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.919 In the meantime, they're watching flash Dance. They start putting 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:13.560 together a choreographed routine, which they're all pretty bad at. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.080 Then there's like this training montage. Then they come upon 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.720 a couple of women who they know, and they're like, well, 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.320 what do you guys have to offer that these real 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:28.000 chippendale dancers can't? And Gas is like, well, this lot 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.960 will go all the way the full monty and we're like, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.520 that's the name of the movie. No, And then they 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.000 say it back and forth three different times, and I'm like, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:40.879 it's really satisfying. But also, Gas, you gotta check in 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:46.959 with your friends. It's true, yeah, Gas problematic. But now 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.160 they have no choice but to do full nudity because 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:54.960 it has been announced to those two women who they're like, well, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:59.879 there's such gossips that they'll tell everyone. Also, while the 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.439 this is all happening, um, we learned that most of 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.840 the men have something that they're like insecure about or 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.280 dealing with in their personal lives. For example, Dave is 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:17.360 having body image issues, which is leading to like a 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.040 sexual slump with Gene. He's not sure how to talk 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.440 about it with her. She doesn't know how to bring 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:29.560 it up with him. It's one of those things. Um 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:35.760 Horse is insecure about the size of his penis. Gerald 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.680 gets unexpected erections and he's worried that it'll happen when 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.640 he's on stage during the show. Then they do a 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:48.399 dress rehearsal in the old steel mill in front of 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.719 horses family, which this is one of my favorite scenes 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:56.920 in the movie. It's so funny. The reaction shots are 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:01.840 truly priceless. Yeah, Dave is not there because he's having 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.639 second thoughts. He's gotten a job as a security guard 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.200 at as Does, a same store he shoplifted right Yes. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.960 During the dress rehearsal, they get caught by the Like 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.160 Factory security guard and they get arrested. Because of this, 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.840 Gas can no longer see his son until he like 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:30.679 has a meeting with Like Social Services. Also, Guy and 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:34.639 Lamper had like fled the scene when the security guard 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:39.600 shows up. They run off to Lamper's house where they 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.960 have a little moment with each other. I forgot about 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.440 that why. I don't know if I remember that for 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:50.919 my first feeling, and I was like, oh wow, yeah cute. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.879 Then Gerald's wife finds out that he has been lying 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.160 about being unemployed this whole time, and she kicks him 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:04.960 out of the house. Lamper's mom passes away. Dave's wife 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.199 thinks that he's cheating on her because she finds his 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.760 like stripper thong and stuff. Um, so this is what 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.560 we would call the low point. But Dave is like, no, 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.040 I'm a stripper, but I'm not going to go through 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:19.800 with it because no one would want to see me. 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.320 And she's like, well, you should do it because I 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:27.159 would watch you. So now that's seen made me cry. 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:32.040 It's really they love each other, but they don't know 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:37.440 how to communicate. And then it's time for the big show. 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:42.120 The house is packed, They've sold hundreds of tickets. Oh 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.240 my gosh, it looks not on, like they have a 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.480 venue that is not on like venues that we do 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.680 where you're like it just it's a bar, but large, 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:55.800 it's it's it may be nostalgic for rooms full of 0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.560 people I know, I know. And then Dave shows up 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.000 because he has decided to do the show after all. 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.600 Gas has some last minute second thoughts because there are 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:10.080 men in the audience. But then Nathan is like, come on, Dad, 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:15.080 go strip. Nathan's like, I gave you my only money, 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.120 you have to do it, and Gas is like, oh 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:25.080 yeah right. So he goes out there, they do the show, 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:30.080 they strip, they go the full Monty and then that's 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:36.320 the end of the movie freeze frame, and it's, uh, 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.000 what a treat, and that's the movie. Shall we take 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.320 a break. Let's take a break and we'll be right back. 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:52.520 And we're back, Yes, we are. Um. So, I think 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.800 one of the things that I have always been like 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:01.080 drawn to and attached to with this movie and this 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.800 is something like that. I one of the reasons, like 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.800 I wanted to start this podcast from the jump was 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.840 that I was noticing that so many of my favorite 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:14.120 movies were very like male centered and had male protagonists, 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:19.840 and women were not prominent characters in a lot of 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.359 the movies that I liked, because also that's most of 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:27.720 what's available. But I I still tend to like gravitate 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:32.360 towards stories about men that are like that, like, are 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.520 not about toxic men, I guess or not. I mean, 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:41.320 let's I'll throw one out there Paddington, Paddington's exactly famously 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:49.399 unproblematic um star of the best movie ever made officially 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:56.600 each ship orson Welles, which Citizen Kane very toxic man. 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:03.159 Wait are you suggesting Randolph Hurst was a toxic person? 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.880 I mean, we will never will never have this discussion 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.880 because we're never gonna cover We're never going to cover 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:12.520 this movie. But yes, so I appreciate stories about men 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.680 that are about men who are like not using with 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:17.919 toxic masculinity. And this is one of the things that 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:19.919 drew me to this movie, where I mean, there are 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.560 arguments to be made that like Guys does some like 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:27.760 he does make some questionable choices. But what I always 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.560 found so like interesting and compelling about this movie is 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.359 that one of the major themes that gets explored is 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:39.920 like the movie's exploration of toxic standards of masculinity and 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:45.040 how those standards really affect men in negative ways, whether 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:50.280 they are like beauty standards or the like expectation that 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:54.440 men are supposed to be providers um or whatever it is, 0:25:54.640 --> 0:26:00.920 and how things that we tend to assume only affect women, 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.880 like beauty standards, that is not the case. Like all 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:08.600 these men are are affected by like Western standards of beauty. 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.720 So that's like kind of one of the big things 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.320 for me with this movie. I totally agree. I mean 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.199 I think that, and like what what especially I what 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.639 I like especially about this movie and we will, you know, 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:21.720 go through all the stuff that didn't age as well. 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:25.919 But the my favorite thing in the entire world is 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.760 when which I think this movie does so like effortlessly 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:34.160 for the most part, is like addresses like important issues, 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.240 but not in a way that is like tragedy porn 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.840 or bashing you over the head with it. Like it's 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.320 it's both like presented honestly and realistically, and it's also 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:50.480 just like funny and it I feel like that, I 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.400 don't know, like it's just like the kinds of movies 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.040 that I prefer to watch. And also I think that 0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.760 it's like they were able to access to to wide 0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:05.360 audience by making that choice here, where like I had 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:09.520 no idea how small this movie was versus how successful 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:11.920 it was. It like it was on a three point 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.439 five million dollar budget and it made two hundred fifty 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:20.560 eight million dollars in it's like absurd how successful it was. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.160 And I feel like because it's because of what you're 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:28.359 describing of like the you know, not many movies that 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:31.439 have and you know, there's a ba jillion movies that 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:35.359 have a completely sis male cast um in terms of 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:41.960 central characters, but almost none of them examine the pressures 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.840 of masculinity. And I very much feel like we've talked 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:49.320 about this before, like part of being uh feminist is 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:53.159 examining masculinity and the effects that it has on on 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:57.400 the people it's thrust upon. And also it's it focuses 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.040 on the working class, which is like yet another a 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:04.720 layer that you don't get very much, especially in comedy 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.280 that is like centered around the working class. It's like, 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.840 you know, so often the working class is being punched 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.200 down at. They might appear in comedies as a punchline, 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.040 as a joke, but this is just like it's it's 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.399 just very matter of factly, like we're in a working 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:22.480 class community that it has been you know, like devastated 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.040 in a way that many industrial towns have been um 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.760 particularly in this Like I did a little little history dive. 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:31.800 I was like, oh, this is like, you know, but 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.720 that happens virtually everywhere, Like everyone knows of a place 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.800 where this I don't know my hometown used to be 0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:41.080 shoe city. If you look at it used to be 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:45.480 shoe city and guess what, no more shoes Now there's 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.560 there's a loan there's a loan shoe company left in Brockton. 0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.760 If you want to, uh, you know, go online too. 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.840 I think it's called foot Joy. Get some shoes from 0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.960 foot Joy. It's the last. But there used to be 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:03.200 five trillions to factories in Brocton. But anyways, this is 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:07.080 a very common thing in you know, in working class neighborhoods, 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.280 and but you so rarely see working class people centered 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.080 in movies. And it's like watching specifically working class men 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:20.760 struggle with the pressures of masculinity on like all these 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:25.920 different levels. It's it's so unique, and it's I don't know, 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:27.880 like there's places where I'm like, oh, I wish they 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.880 had gone further. I wish that this character had more 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:33.360 of a complete arc. But I feel like even now 0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.600 it's like that I can't really there's there's not many 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.959 movies that do this. I feel like it's there. There 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.200 is like a lot of good examination of like working 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.320 class issues in TV, but I don't think as much 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:49.240 in in movies. Yeah, I think that is really cool 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.640 and like you said it, um, these men are dealing 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:59.640 with these pressures of toxic masculinity and acting in ways 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.480 in some cases that were like mmmmm, I wish you 0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.840 wouldn't use that homophobic slur and I wish you wouldn't 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:11.479 like cat call women who are like walking down the 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:17.040 street and reading them there for instance. Yeah, so you know, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.320 they're their products of their environment, certainly. But yeah, I 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.880 think the movie does, especially for like a movie in 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:29.000 the nineties, does like a pretty good job of exploring 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:34.640 those standards and those pressures without like you said, being 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.320 very preachy and like bashing you over the head with it. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.400 It just sort of like it presents the thing. Could 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:43.320 there have been more commentary maybe, but like any any 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:47.760 movie could go further. But but it tackles a lot 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:52.320 but doesn't necessarily go super far with any of it. 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.560 But it's also not like, you know, it's mostly there 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.360 to be a romp, which I appreciate it like it's 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:03.240 a romp, But they touches on a number of issues 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:07.120 surrounding toxic masculinity with that with like kind of so seamlessly. 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:10.520 It's like, yeah, I'll take it. I also really appreciate 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.200 it for in the casting of this movie that they 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:16.880 cast characteristic, They cast like people who look like people 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.040 and not like rigid because I feel like that, you know, 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:25.040 even sometimes when we do get movies about about everyday people, 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.400 they still look like movie stars who have the highest 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:34.640 like you know, it's without body shaming movie stars, I guess, 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.520 like you know, it's clear when you have the money 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.880 to look like a movie star versus not, right, And 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:45.000 I just I always appreciate when like it's a cast 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:51.400 of of working class everyday people and it isn't like Noah' 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:56.479 sentenao as like you know what I mean, right, It's like, oh, 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.520 the movie is telling us that this is a working 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:02.120 class person, but this actor clearly has a personal trainer 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.000 that they spend like an hour or more a day with. 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:10.360 They clearly spend like I don't know, fifty dollars a 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:15.520 day on smoothies and like whatever green drinks that French people. 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:19.680 This is a class war issue, what is? It's just 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:23.800 like and we're so we're so conditioned to just boop 0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.840 through that cognitive dissonance, just like when you watch like 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.640 a whatever, like a teen soap, you're like, oh, yeah, 0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.960 you know, teenagers are actually twenty eight years old, Like 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.400 it's just a dissonant thing that exists in culture. But 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:40.680 but when it actually isn't like that, and you get 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:45.320 a cast of like people who look like people, you know, 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:47.400 it's like it's it's like we talked about this in 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.000 eighth grade, which is this is maybe way off topic, 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:54.320 but just like how startling it is when you see uh, 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.239 teenager playing and looking like a teenager because you're so 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:03.360 used to seeing lady year old as teenagers. Yeah, I 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:07.320 feel like at thirty five, which I will be in 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:11.200 a few days on my birthday, I will just be 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:15.200 aging out of being able to play a teenager. Caitlyn, 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.880 I feel like you could very much still get cast 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:23.240 as like she's like she's a senior and I'm so 0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.080 scared of her. Thank you so much. Yeah, of course, 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.280 I guess should we get into like individual characters and 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.360 sort of like because each character has like a pretty 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:40.760 specific like subplot that they are something that they're dealing with. Um, 0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:45.320 shall we start with our protagonist, Gas? Let's do it? 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:51.120 Oh Gas, we need to talk so I mean as 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.320 far as like positives, because there are there are some 0:33:54.720 --> 0:34:01.120 there are Yeah, I really appreciate that you have an 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:07.200 example of a man who like loves being a dad. 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.600 He loves his son more than anything in the world. 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.920 He will go to great lengths he wants. I think 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:18.520 he's cool so bad, Yes, And I feel like that's 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:23.279 not a super common thing in media to see for 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:28.520 like a blue color, working classman who like loves being 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.759 a dad and who's who is like very attentive to 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:37.000 his son and who very openly shows affection towards his son. 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:41.239 That doesn't mean that he also doesn't sometimes put his 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:46.000 son in situations that are inappropriate, which he definitely does 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:50.920 a lot. Yeah, but I like, I'm always just kind 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.160 of struck with um when I when I watched like 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:59.480 the relationship between Gas and Nathan, And while ultimately is 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:04.040 this a movie about fathers and sons? It always is, Yes, 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:08.240 it always is, But I like, don't even mind because 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:12.520 I'm just like it works. Yeah, it's it feels earned. 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:18.120 Despite his questionable parenting choices that he makes sometimes, I 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:23.719 still really love that representation of fatherhood. I agree, Yeah, 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.640 it's it's it's so tricky because it's like, you know, 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.040 it's part of it is like, well, if Gas was 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.919 being a completely responsible parent. The movie probably wouldn't even 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:39.040 happen the way that yes, because you wouldn't bring your 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:44.160 underage child to uh like like where you're you're going 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.399 to be completely naked, which is like that feels intuitive. 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.919 Um that said, I mean it's and this isn't too 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.080 excused the behavior, but I do think it's like, especially 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:59.080 in movies where there are parents, I feel like sometimes 0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.400 kids are written not of the plot when it doesn't 0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.480 serve the plot. But it is like, you know that 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:08.440 that's a very normal, especially because we know the financial 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:13.239 circumstance that that Gas is in that it would make 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.840 I mean, it's like can he afford childcare? Of course, 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.000 not like he's going to have to have Nath with 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.359 him wherever he is, And that is like, I don't know. 0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:24.040 One of one of the plot points with with Guys 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:28.160 that really hit from me is is the custody issue. 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.960 And I kind of I appreciated that the custody issue, 0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.080 at least the way I was watching it. And I'm 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:37.520 always like, if I had goggles on, I don't know, 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:42.919 I don't know, you know, but I felt like very often, Um, 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.520 and again I guess to go back to the Santa clause. 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.760 Of course, mothers seeking custody of their children are often 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:56.960 portrayed as being unreasonable, as being shrill, as being you know, 0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:01.480 like unfair essentially, as like takeing something. But the way 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:05.960 that this custody situation is presented, I thought was like 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:11.920 pretty thought full on both ends, where like, I don't know, 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.200 how did you. I didn't feel like Mandy was really demonized, 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.680 and I understood her frustration and I understood her concern 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.120 like for sure, and then you also see completely why 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:26.719 like Gas is so frustrated with the situation, and it 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.960 is it's it is like they're being presented with this 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:36.759 impossible situation by poverty, and it just it and and 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:41.080 it's presented very like a matter of fact, and I 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.200 mean it makes me sad because it's just like something 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:48.640 that happens um in in poor families where it's like, yeah, 0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:52.160 I understand why, um why Mandy is like this is 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.640 not a you know, responsible way for my son to 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.160 be spending this time. And then you also were like, well, 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.719 Gas can't afford to do much else at this time, 0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:05.560 and does that mean that he should have his son 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.000 taken away from him? And you know, just all this 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.480 ship that they're like really complicated issues that could have 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:17.080 been really you know, melo dramatically harped upon, that are 0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.759 presented in a way that I felt was like empathetic 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.279 and also not I don't know, I don't know, maybe 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.560 it was like too lighthearted, but I thought it was 0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.480 pretty well done. And also just like and this is 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.320 like a I guess a through line of this movie 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.759 of like all the all the all the men in 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.359 the full Monty group is that the name of their 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.200 group is it called the full Monty They I don't 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.439 think they gave themselves. Ah no, it's hot metal when 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:48.719 they're um. When they put up the posters advertising their show, 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.480 they call themselves hot metal. I'm going to get you 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:57.560 a poster like that for your house. Hot metal. Um. 0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:00.399 But but the way that like and this is and 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.400 and you know, everyone who has read you know, leftist 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.400 theory is going to be like I'm presenting this in 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:11.239 the most goofy, simplistic way possible, but basically, like all 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.239 these men are dealing with the failure of industry and 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.640 the failure of social safety net and the like, these 0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:23.680 structural failures and because of the effect that toxic masculinity 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:28.560 has on them. They're interpreting it as personal failures. And 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.480 I think that this affects like almost every man in 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:34.800 this group, and you see it affect them in different ways. 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:38.880 But it is like it's so sad and frustrating to 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:42.920 see for guys that he he is both really doing 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:46.160 everything he can to like get through and be able 0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.759 to keep custody of his son and be able to 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.640 support himself financially, but he's being put in this impossible 0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.319 situation and also because of all the messaging that you know, 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.000 everybody gets, is made to feel like he is like 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:03.200 failed as a provid eider as well. And so it's 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.680 it's just I don't know, Yeah, it's so it's so complicated, 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.279 but it's not presented like that. I just think it's 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.239 really cool. I don't know. Yeah, I will say that 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.400 when I watched this movie when I was younger, like 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.840 when I was a teenager, I feel like I did 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:22.640 maybe think that his ex wife Mandy was kind of 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.399 presented sort of as like your kind of typical like 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:32.759 mother Shrew character, especially because in every scene she's in, 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:39.880 she and Gas are arguing over Nathan, but rewatching it 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:44.080 like through this lens. I fully like, I saw where 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.640 she was coming from, and I was like, well, of 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:52.520 course she's constantly arguing with him. It's because he's, like again, 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:57.040 making questionable parental decisions. He's also, I would argue that 0:40:57.040 --> 0:41:00.239 he's not necessarily doing everything he can to like no, okay, 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.760 child's moore, because he's also she offers him a job, 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.480 there are jobs available, but there he like kind of 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.440 I think he might see him like certain work to 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.239 be below him because he's also I know, I don't 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:15.960 want this job. No, I'm not going to be a 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:21.400 security guy like he. So he's refusing opportunities for work, 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:25.520 which I found should be frustrating. Yeah, I mean I agree. 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.560 I also felt like he didn't want to work under 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.279 her because he has a lot of I mean, I 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.560 feel like the main thing with Gas for me is 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:37.040 is the the bringing your kids places your kids shouldn't 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:41.719 be and misogyny. Um are are two and not the 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.880 only things, but like two big things where like, clearly 0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.720 this guy has some issues with women, and it seems 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.920 like he does not want it. Seems like he is 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.200 and I guess, yeah, it's like I'm watching it with 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:58.080 my goggles on where I'm like, yeah, like it seems 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.360 like he doesn't want to work beneath man D and 0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:03.120 that like that to him is like I would rather 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:09.960 like hatch a scheme than work beneath someone. But it's 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:14.040 also like it's I don't know, it's it's such a 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:17.000 tricky area where it's like, you know, should he be 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.479 forced to take a job that he doesn't want to take? 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:23.120 Like that doesn't seem reasonable either, But he's just like 0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:26.480 everyone's being put in an impossible situation. But yeah, I 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:31.360 definitely interpreted the like her. I'm also like two fifty 0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:40.360 an hour even like what it was pounds? It was pounds, 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.279 but yeah, like what would that have converted to in 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.040 late nineties money? Yeah, And it's like, yeah, I mean 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.600 a lot of people who grew up in working class circumstances, 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.839 like their parents to support them, took jobs that they 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.600 did not were not passionate about, and certainly felt were 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.920 below their skill set and below what they wanted to do. 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.880 And sometimes, you know, I don't know, we're not parents 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:06.920 that said I did. I Yeah, I was also frustrated 0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:12.960 by him, you know, scheme over Garen, Like it's it's 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:17.480 he's he's a self sabotager, like he's a major self sabotager, 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:21.040 and that it's like, you know, if if this movie 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:23.279 took place in the real world and nobody came to 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.759 that show, he would simply lose custody of his son, 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.040 like it would blow up in his face royally, I 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:34.439 don't know. And then I mean, like you mentioned, he 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:40.600 does pretty clearly have some issues with misogyny that I 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.000 like to think that he starts to work through after 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.120 this show and that he grotes as a person. But 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.520 there's like that whole scene when they're at the job 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:55.200 club and he's talking about how, oh, like men are obsolete, 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.160 and I feel like that's like a reflection of this 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:03.080 idea that as soon as women, if there's any kind 0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:08.000 of like women's liberation, men interpret that is like, well, well, 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.520 if if women are are free and have rights and 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:15.680 can have jobs and stuff, then men won't even need 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.879 to exist, and they feel like very threat from me. Yeah, 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:24.600 it is so like boomer mentality. Yeah. Yeah, So that's 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:29.520 like very clearly what guys is talking about in this 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.520 scene to me where he's like, well, gee whiz. And 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:36.839 then there's also like funny slash bizarre thing where they're 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.879 like talking about that woman who they saw peeing while 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:44.640 she was standing up and they were like how how 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.920 could that even happen? And then some random guys like 0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.160 genetic mutations, they're turning into us, and then they're like, yeah, 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:55.480 we're going extinct. We're only going to be in like 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:59.200 a zoo. Again. It's like that sort of thing where 0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.600 I'm just like I'm putting my I'm trying to put 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.759 on goggles and I just don't have access to them. 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.000 I'm like, how was what was this joke supposed to 0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:10.120 be about when it came out? Because maybe it's like, 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.360 but I thought that that scene was like kind it 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.080 was fun in that I felt like and again maybe 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.399 I'm giving them moving more credit than it deserves, like 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.799 that it was they were supposed to look kind of 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.360 desperate and ridiculous in the way that they were talking 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:28.520 about women, where it was like, I don't know, like 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.640 it's just it's not all of but you know, a 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.440 lot of misogyny is like men being insecure about themselves 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.320 and then weaponizing it against someone that they think is 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:42.319 an easy target. And like the way that they talk 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:45.920 about women in terms of like women who are working 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.360 while they're not. It's like, well, what a huge insult. 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:51.759 And it's like we we just need to think a 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.520 little bigger, guys, we need to think a little bigger. 0:45:54.640 --> 0:46:00.799 It's not there, it's not them. Um yeah, um, why 0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.000 don't we take a quick break and then we'll come 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:12.960 back for a more discussion and we're back. Is there 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:17.839 anything else we wanna say regarding Gas? Um? I guess well, 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:22.520 I think guys, He's just it's for our protagonist. He 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:27.640 I feel like embodies a lot of toxic mail, Like 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.600 I feel like more so than any other character really 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:35.640 except for maybe Gerald, But like Gas has a lot 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.840 like he has the misogyny. He makes homophobic comments about 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:44.719 the Chippendales at first, he you know, fat shames Dave 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:49.000 at times, like he he is extremely rigid in binary 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.360 in the way that he thinks, which is like we 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:56.040 can pretty reasonably say product of his environment. But also 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.080 it's like there are men in this same environment that 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:01.080 seemed to have more open lines and are kind of 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:07.560 a more productive path. So Gaz isn't my favorite, but um, 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.480 I I respect his journey. I'm glad he didn't lose 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:16.120 custody of his son. Also, I what do you think 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.560 about Gas taking money from Nath. I feel like that's 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.560 another complicated thing where it's like it has to happen 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:28.319 plot wise, but like they're had, like especially when he 0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.520 could have just worked for Mandy for a couple of 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.960 days and gotten the same amount of money over taking 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.520 it from his son's savings account. I don't know. I 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:40.840 like especially that young like, I don't know. It's like 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:47.000 the way money loves within working class families is definitely complicated. 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:51.840 But I'm like, taking your whatever, ten year old only money, Gas, 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:58.080 really really I don't like it. He's perhaps also too 0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:03.520 quick to be like, okay, take your money. He doesn't 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:08.239 push one, but yeah, what I'll say there is that 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:12.359 I hope he pays it back immediately after doing this 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:16.799 show with like interest. I feel like he will to, 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:21.600 like he loves he loves Naith, right, But I'm like, God, 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.799 you're putting Nathan between a rock and a hard place here, 0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:31.240 gash my god. I also think that Nathan will help 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.880 to rid Gas of some of his misogyny. And I 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:38.000 say this because there's a scene in the very beginning 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:42.920 where Gus sees a woman rates her on like a 0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.840 one to ten scale. Says a bunch of really sexist stuff, 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:49.560 like he's like, well she's a night maybe even a nine. 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.239 You never can tell until you see their tids um, 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:56.399 and we're like gas um. And while he's saying this, 0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.920 Nathan's like dad, like in a very like testy way. 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:06.480 And I hope that as Nathan gets older, he sits 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:10.480 his dad down and says, Dad, you shouldn't be objectifying 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.360 women like that. You should not be valuing a woman 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:19.240 based on how attractive you perceive her to be, et cetera. 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:23.320 So I agree, Yeah, I thought that, like nath being 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.920 embarrassed by his dad's misogyny hopefully means that down down 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.399 the road. Also, I'm like, is Nathan their manager now? 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.840 Like what happens now? I don't know. He seems to 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:37.440 be kind of I mean he's clearly he's an investor, 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.160 that much is for sure. He's an early investor in 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:45.200 the group. Who knows he's he's wearing many hats. Yeah, 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.960 he's you know, a complex, a complex character. Shout out 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:51.799 to Nathan. You know what a what a sweetheart, what 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:56.000 a sweet kid and a pretty good child actor, pretty good. Yeah. 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:59.600 His name is William Snape, which I was like, huh 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.439 that it sounds like a fake name, but right, because 0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:05.280 then you're and you're like, oh wait, I guess Harry 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.480 Potter that name isn't a fake name, which is what 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.880 I always thought when I it's like it sounds like snake, 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:17.799 So turn out it's a real last name. Well, you know, 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:22.879 water under the bridge at this point, Um, where where 0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:29.439 shall we? Where shall we go from here? What about Dave? Dave? Okay, Yes, 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.880 I I Dave's journey is unique, and I feel like, 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:37.600 not just unique in this group, but unique for talking 0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:44.279 about masculinity and body standards at all. Yes, So the 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:48.320 thing that he is predominantly dealing with in this movie 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:53.800 is that he feels a lot of shame about being fat, 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:59.200 probably because his peers constantly fat shame him. Yeah, and 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.920 he's he so mentions. I thought it was like a 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.439 useful context that is like this is something that has 0:51:04.719 --> 0:51:07.799 been his whole life, Like he's been made fun of 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:10.319 for this and it and and it's like clearly just 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:14.360 like his body type because he's like, I haven't changed anything, 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:16.960 It's just who I am. But like people will not 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:21.480 leave him alone about it. Yeah, and then it's at 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.440 least suggested in the movie that the shame he is 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:30.759 feeling is manifesting as like this sexual dry spell with 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:37.080 his wife because he's experiencing impotency issues. He's uh seems 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.680 to be unable to get an erection, uh, and it's 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:44.319 affecting his sex life with his wife. The fact that 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:48.920 this is even like talked about at all in a 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:54.399 movie in the nineties is like kind of groundbreaking. But yeah, 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:58.480 and I felt as though that was all dealt with 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:03.520 pretty responsibly. Yeah. Yeah, and I think like in making 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.800 it clear that all of this is happening in response 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:11.880 to you know, just how others are perceiving his body. 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:15.760 And it's like that moment at the end with his 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:20.920 his wife, um, but where it's like I don't know, 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.040 I don't know. I mean, there's so so much about 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:25.319 that scene that I thought was really sweet and well 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:29.319 thought out of just you know, she she loves him, 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.240 and she's attracted to him, and she loves his body, 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:36.520 and just hearing that sometimes is like, I don't know, 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.200 it's like I feel like, and this is a generalization, 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:44.000 but a lot of men, straight men particularly don't always 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:47.799 know how to like ask for what they need or 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.120 there's like there's on top of like shame attached to 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.240 your body, which you know affects people of all genders, 0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:57.160 Like there is like this I don't know if like 0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:01.200 there there's this kind of general like you can't admit weakness, 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:06.839 you know, you can't discuss shame with your partner when 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:11.200 it's so clearly like it's one conversation that like totally 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:15.160 sets him free and like clearly, I mean, it doesn't 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:18.680 solve the problem right away, but it's it's just so 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:22.600 so simple and so nice and but but it you 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.879 totally understand why he's going through this journey the way 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:27.640 he is, because it's just like shame on top of shame, 0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:29.359 on top of shame on top of shame, and it's 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:35.200 all connected to this like toxicity around men and and 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:40.120 around the way that people like police each other's bodies totally. 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.480 There are a couple of scenes in the movie where 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:46.799 they're hanging out at Gerald's house, and one of them, 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:51.480 Dave is kind of expressing his insecurity about like not 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:55.239 wanting to show his naked body in front of a 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:59.120 bunch of people, and Gerald kind of dismisses him and 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.759 says fat David is a feminist issue, and he's like, 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.680 what's that supposed to mean when it's at home? And yeah, 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:09.799 so like even when he does try to open up 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:14.000 and talk about it, he's like it's being dismissed. And 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:20.439 because like Gerald holds this toxic viewpoint of like, well, 0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:25.560 being fat is something that's like only women are concerned about, 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.239 or only women should be concerned about, and like this 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:31.560 it should you know, it shouldn't affect you, but obviously, 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:36.240 like body and beauty standards affect everyone who has a body, 0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:41.960 which is everyone. So yeah, so he's not being taken seriously. 0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:48.640 And then there's a later scene where they're looking at 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:53.960 like a porn magazine and um Lumper is like, oh, 0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:57.520 well her tits are too big, and Dave's like, well, 0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:59.719 I hope they're not going to be looking at us 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:02.719 like that. I hope the women in the audience are 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:09.960 more understanding comes through and then they're like, well why 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:14.719 would why would they be judging our bodies? And he's 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.920 just like, well, you know, why not. He's just commented 0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:21.720 on her breast siyes and lumbers, like well it's different 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:26.319 where blokes, but well I guess I mean, yes, the 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.480 standards of beauty do tend to be a bit harsher 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:33.080 and more rigid for women, but men and people of 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:39.640 all genders are subjected to specific and often rigid beauty standards. Yeah. 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:43.200 I thought that that story, you know, it played out 0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:46.040 pretty well. And it's like and and the fact that 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:50.280 it's like having that conversation with his where his wife, um, 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:55.160 but having that conversation with her, like and communicating and 0:55:55.280 --> 0:56:02.280 acknowledging where you feel vulnerable, which again not what straight 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:06.960 men are generally known for. Um is able to like 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:12.520 kind of unlock this confidence in himself and an acceptance 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:16.200 and like enjoying being in his own skin. It's so 0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:21.560 simple and so nice, and I just, yeah, I I 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:25.160 really enjoyed it. And there's also there's a quote I 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:29.239 want to pull from friend of the cast, Jenna Schmiding, 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:33.120 who gave an interview recently that I don't know it 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:35.040 just timed out well. Watched this movie last night, this 0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:39.680 interview came out this morning. Uh so, Janna says, quote, 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:42.360 Oh sorry, let me actually lead in with the quote. 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:46.800 Uh In. In Schmiding's estimation, we can only really celebrate 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:51.400 body positivity when quote we create equity and access for 0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:53.960 fat people in all aspects of our lives. The term 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:57.400 body positivity, Yes, it is about celebrating our existence and 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.680 celebrating our bodies. But it's nearly impossible to do that 0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:03.920 when every system and structure around us is built and 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:07.480 created to exclude fat people and to essentially vilify and 0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:11.680 oppress fat individuals and fatness as a concept. We need 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:13.800 to get to a place where fatness is normalized widely 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.000 and people have access to medical care and all of 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:21.680 the same social norms that non fat people have access to, unquote, 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.440 which is you know, I don't think that this movie 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.600 goes all the way, but I think that it in 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:34.080 terms of just even having that discussion in in a 0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:36.400 kind of I mean, I I feel like part of 0:57:36.400 --> 0:57:39.080 this movie's strength is that everyone in this group is 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:42.640 kind of clueless, and they're all kind of like coming 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:45.760 to most of these issues with like I don't know, 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:49.560 and like learning from each other through trial and error, 0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:52.560 and it's just like, I don't know. It's it's cool. 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.919 It's as as uncomfortable as it is at times, it's 0:57:55.960 --> 0:58:01.800 cool to watch them work through it. Yeah, because like, yeah, 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:06.200 it wouldn't be super realistic if all of these men 0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:12.520 in were like super woke and like I knew all 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:14.919 the stuff and just like we're it wouldn't make sense 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:18.720 in one like it's like I do, I do like 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:21.120 and I hope that that kind of I would like 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:23.560 to see. I guess more of that of like people 0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:30.400 learning on the screen and like shedding the ship mentality 0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:34.760 and not coming in a fully formed you know, being, 0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:39.040 because like no one does. And yeah, it's it's just 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:42.360 like super interesting because it's like, yeah, I mean, guys 0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:45.080 in that group are fucking up in terms of like 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.600 they're dismissing Dave's concerns. They're telling him it's not a thing, 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:52.600 and then they realize over time that oh, it very 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:56.439 much is a thing, and it's affecting my friend who 0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:02.960 I love. Yeah, Dave does not display as much misogyny 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.800 as Gas does, But there is one part of the 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:10.000 movie when they're watching Flash Dance and Dave is commenting 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:15.000 on the main characters welding abilities, so and they're like 0:59:15.280 --> 0:59:18.040 you don't know how to well, yeah, guys, is like, 0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.400 what the funk do you know about welding? And Dave says, 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:26.000 I know more than some chuffing woman, which chuffing I'm 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:29.919 I'm guessing is like fucking, I don't like, I don't, goddamn, 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:35.200 I don't. Yeah, correct as if we're wrong. Yeah, yeah, 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:40.920 you know, so he doesn't think that women can weld 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:44.840 really really, what Dave is more guilty of is letting 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:48.400 things slide when other men around him say fucked up stuff, 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:52.120 because it's like, I mean, Nathan is doing more to 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:58.480 push up against gazes casual misogyny than Davis, and Nathan's 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:03.240 like ten, uh so that's not great. Yeah, because it's 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:05.439 like any time like I feel like and you see 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:08.200 this like I don't know, like I've I've seen this 1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:13.720 interaction where it's like someone says something really casually fucked 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.080 up and then the other persons like, oh, come on, 1:00:16.840 --> 1:00:20.920 like and then they just never talk about it. That 1:00:21.080 --> 1:00:25.000 is Dave. That that seems like Dave's m O is like, well, 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:26.680 I'm not going to say it myself, but I'm never 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:30.480 going to point out when someone's being you know, bigoted, unfair, 1:00:30.800 --> 1:00:37.600 misogynist at yea, yeah, yeah, shall we talk about Gerald? Yeah, 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:42.560 let's talk about Gerald. So his situation is that he 1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:47.240 is ashamed at having lost his job. He cannot be 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:51.680 the provider anymore. He is unable to admit this to 1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:56.480 his wife because of all the shame he feels um 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:59.360 which again goes back to that kind of toxic standard 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.840 of masculine city where men are expected to be the 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:09.800 providers and if they can't do that, then the other 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:14.200 a failure, they don't know what they're worth is and 1:01:14.240 --> 1:01:16.720 stuff like that. So, um, yeah, I thought that was 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:21.120 a very interesting thing to explore. There are there's like 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:24.320 at least one scene where even Gazz is like, why 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:28.480 can't you just tell your wife? And Gerald's like, well, 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:31.200 it's been six months now, Like how can I tell 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:33.560 her now? I've let it go on for way too 1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:37.040 long and and part of it is like, also, this 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:41.400 just not being able to be like open and forthcoming 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:47.120 to the romantic partner, and it's it's so like and 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:50.600 it's it seems to be like in Dave and Gerald's case, 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:54.520 wives that they love very much. It makes me sad. 1:01:55.120 --> 1:02:00.200 And what I really loved is his wife's response when 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:03.520 she does find out and I don't I feel like 1:02:03.600 --> 1:02:06.800 you do learn her name, but I he mentioned it 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:09.360 a few times, but it's the dialogue in this movie 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:12.000 was so tough for me. And she does have a name, 1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:13.760 I don't remember what it was off the top of 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:16.920 my head. Linda I think is her name? That yes, Okay. 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:20.680 So she finds out because people come into her home 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:25.800 and start repossessing things. And Gerald comes home while this 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:28.240 is happening, and she's like, how long has this been 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:30.920 going on? He's like about six months. And she's like, 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:33.840 all right, well, you know, I can deal with losing 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:37.640 the sun bed, the car, whatever, like material possessions. She 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:40.440 lists off. She's like, I can even deal with the 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:44.120 shame of everyone watching this, but six months and you 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:47.800 couldn't even tell me your wife. So she's not upset 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:50.200 about which I think is like a pretty major subversion 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:55.200 for like the wife character of just like being upset 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:59.080 about like losing these like luxury items and stuff like that. 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:02.040 She's like, I don't even care about that. I only 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:05.240 care that you you weren't honest with me, and you 1:03:05.280 --> 1:03:07.280 weren't open with me, and you didn't tell me that 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:10.919 this is something that was happening, especially because like she's 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:14.360 sort of set up to seem kind of like materialistic 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:18.080 because she's like, let's go, like, let's spend all this money. 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:21.000 I want to go on like a ski trip and 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:23.080 stuff like that. But then she's like, I don't actually 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:27.160 care about that. I just wanted you to be honest 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:30.720 with me. I Yeah, I really liked that too, because 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.000 I honestly was like the way that they were setting 1:03:33.000 --> 1:03:35.400 her up where they were like, you know, she's kind 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:38.480 of this. I mean, they're you know, their vibe is 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:43.320 like upper middle class assholes. But yeah, it's like that 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:46.960 that is a cool subversion where it's it's and and 1:03:47.000 --> 1:03:50.440 again it's I feel like, you know, in the same 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:53.600 way that I'm like, I totally understand why Mandy is 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:57.600 so frustrated with Gas, you can also see why Linda 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:01.360 is so hurt by this because and also and and 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:06.160 and again where both sides of this conflict like they're 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:10.560 just both prisoners to this like his toxic masculinity that 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:12.760 he's been taking in his whole life, and it's affecting 1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:17.919 everyone so negatively. Oh it makes me and and and 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:20.760 it's hard to not feel for Gerald in a way 1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:24.880 to where it's like, yeah, you're being a absolute fool 1:04:25.280 --> 1:04:28.880 about how you're dealing with this. Talk to bottom, talk 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:33.120 to your wife. But like that concept of yeah, just 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:38.600 being defined by your ability to provide and and not 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:43.680 being able to provide connected to just like complete emasculation 1:04:44.480 --> 1:04:47.600 in a way that I'm just I mean, like every movie, 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:51.640 I'm like, you know, therapy, therapy would fix, would fix 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:55.400 a lot of these issues. Um, another movie where all 1:04:55.440 --> 1:05:03.800 of these characters need to be in therapy, including ethan Um. Yes, uh, 1:05:03.800 --> 1:05:07.960 but yeah, I liked that's right. And also just like them, 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:11.760 you know, Gerald being like, well, you know, she's used 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:14.320 to a standard of living and I don't want to 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:17.600 ask her to have to compromise, which I don't know. 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:24.320 That was just giving me like major O eight recession vibes. Um, 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:27.040 you know, like he would rather go into debt than 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:32.120 admit that his financial status has changed, Like he would 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:35.440 rather sever the most important relationship in his life than 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:39.200 admit that, you know, a situation out of his control 1:05:40.320 --> 1:05:43.920 is affecting his family. And it's like, come on, man, 1:05:44.080 --> 1:05:46.919 but you also understand where it all comes from, right, 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:51.480 It's not happening in a vacuum. Gerald. It also makes 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:56.720 you wonder, how does Linda not know that the factory 1:05:56.920 --> 1:05:59.880 closed down six months ago? Like wouldn't that have been 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:04.400 like in the newspaper, wouldn't people be talking about it 1:06:04.800 --> 1:06:08.080 that I had that question also, but I'm like, maybe 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:10.800 he was like just like, oh, I'm working somewhere else 1:06:11.000 --> 1:06:15.760 dot dot dot think he got a different job. I know. 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:17.560 I was just like, I wish that had been clarified 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:21.200 because otherwise it just makes her seem like completely oblivious 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:24.760 because I'm like, well, where where were you for the 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:30.120 last six months, Linda. Um. The other thing with Gerald 1:06:30.440 --> 1:06:33.040 is that we learn a bit later on in the 1:06:33.080 --> 1:06:40.240 movie that he's experiencing a situation where he gets unexpected erections. 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:42.400 I don't know what the medical term for this is, 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:47.040 I can't help. And this is something that he like 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:54.280 confides in to Dave. But because Dave he's experiencing impotency, Yeah, 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:56.480 they're not seeing eye to eye on it. He's like, I, 1:06:56.760 --> 1:07:00.400 you're talking to the wrong man, right, Um. So he 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:04.960 also he kind of dismisses Gerald after Gerald had dismissed 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:09.400 Dave for like being insecure about his weight, and then 1:07:09.440 --> 1:07:13.120 the other members of the group. I guess he confides 1:07:13.360 --> 1:07:15.480 in them or they find out about it in some 1:07:15.520 --> 1:07:18.480 way and they're like it's this thing where they're like 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:21.280 trying to be supportive because they're like, oh, well, what 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:23.640 if like think about boring things and then you like 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:26.200 won't get an erection. But then they also tease him 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:29.080 about it, and I don't know how to feel about 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:31.640 that because I was like, oh, well, they shouldn't be 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:34.960 teasing him, but this is how I don't know, Like 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:40.440 I mean, that's like, that's another through line that this 1:07:40.480 --> 1:07:44.880 movie touches on, I think, with four different characters where 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:49.000 it's like some sort of self definition by if not 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:53.440 your penis's size, what your penis is doing in its 1:07:53.680 --> 1:08:02.000 spare time, its leisure hours, etcetera. Um, and and it honestly, 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:06.360 like I know that it's imperfectly done. I don't feel 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:12.840 qualified to get even like incredibly specific with how um, 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:16.639 but but I do. Yeah, it's I kind of wonder 1:08:16.760 --> 1:08:22.000 I for uh, for our listeners that have some insight here. 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:24.439 I guess it's like I I viewed the way that 1:08:24.680 --> 1:08:27.040 not in all situations, but in some situations, it's like 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:32.439 these men can only communicate by like sort of making 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:36.240 a joke out of everything, and like they clearly it's 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:39.559 really hard for them to have a straight discussion because 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:42.439 as we see from how all their relationships are, they 1:08:42.520 --> 1:08:49.040 cannot communicate with anybody until it's like an absolute breaking point, 1:08:49.080 --> 1:08:51.280 like they their life has to be almost destroyed before 1:08:51.280 --> 1:08:54.040 they'll communicate, And so I sort of view that as 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:57.240 like an extension of that of like they're teasing each 1:08:57.280 --> 1:09:00.599 other instead of talking about it, but through easy each other, 1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:03.040 they're trying to talk about it, but it's not really 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:08.519 like it's a very imperfect approach, I don't know, being real, 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:14.880 real straight guys some of them. And then that might 1:09:14.920 --> 1:09:22.439 bring us to Lamper and or guy. So Lumper is 1:09:22.560 --> 1:09:25.400 I think like the third character to join the group. 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:31.320 He's the one who they stop like an active suicide 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:36.160 attempt um. The aftermath of that is again like a 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:39.599 very like they're joking with him about the like the 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:45.519 other ways that he could have attempted suicide, yeah, which 1:09:45.600 --> 1:09:48.360 is which is like, I don't know, I don't hate 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:50.880 the way it's written that they trying to talk him down. 1:09:51.040 --> 1:09:55.400 They also clearly have no idea how to talk about this. Yeah, 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:58.400 And then it it ends with him saying like, well, 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:01.240 I don't have any friends, and they're like, well, how 1:10:01.280 --> 1:10:04.720 could you tell us that we're not your friends? You know, 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:08.040 we just saved your life, and he's like really that 1:10:08.160 --> 1:10:12.560 little smile where he's like oh, oh, I know it's 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:15.960 it's it's very sweet. It's very sweet. Yeah. And then 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:17.880 and then a little bit later, I don't know if 1:10:17.880 --> 1:10:22.479 you caught this, but Gas is saying, he's like, yeah, 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:26.160 I roped him into the group because this could be 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:31.560 good therapy for him. Yes, yes, that was very sweet. 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:34.800 And it's like, well, you know, real therapy would be 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:39.280 good therapy for him, but um, if that's not available. 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:41.519 But we also it's like it it were, you know, 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.439 in a in a very low income area, it's very 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:47.160 likely that that would not be made available on top 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:50.960 of the stigma. Although they're in England, so maybe they 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:53.080 do have more access to things. I don't really know. 1:10:53.560 --> 1:10:57.880 I don't really know. English listeners help us out here. Yeah, 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:03.439 and then for long or it's revealed that he is 1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:09.160 gay or queer. He's attracted to men, which guy also is. 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:15.360 Because they have that moment when they're like running away 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:20.679 from the dress rehearsal and they are like very close 1:11:20.800 --> 1:11:24.120 and they're face to face and they have their vibing. 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:28.360 You're like, let's have three movies of this, right. The 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:32.800 only other thing, the only other part of this very 1:11:32.840 --> 1:11:37.880 minimal storyline is a few scenes later when Lamper's mother 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:40.600 has passed away and they're at her funeral, and we 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:42.880 see a very tiny glimpse of the two of them 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:50.400 holding hands, which then Gas and Dave notice and comment on, 1:11:51.320 --> 1:11:55.519 and it's, you know, they're just kind of surprised and 1:11:55.680 --> 1:11:59.640 it was unexpected for them. And then Dave says a 1:11:59.760 --> 1:12:05.719 very like Northern England expression, there's not as queer as folk, 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:08.920 and I was like, which doesn't specifically is not specifically 1:12:08.960 --> 1:12:11.840 about queer people. It's just means like, there's nothing as 1:12:11.840 --> 1:12:14.520 strange as people. But then he like kind of realizes 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:17.120 the double on tenda of what he said, and then 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:20.040 they start laughing. They're cracking up at the funeral. At 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:23.280 the funeral, right, So I guess my main thing here 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:27.360 is that I just really would have liked to see 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:32.439 more of this storyline. It gets so breezed past, and 1:12:32.600 --> 1:12:38.679 we don't really learn anything about them as a couple 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:43.560 except for just the very those two tiny little glimpses. 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:50.680 It's freustra and it's so it's so seven and unfortunately 1:12:50.720 --> 1:12:55.160 kind of like best case scenario where the fact that 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:58.200 they are interested in each other and that they like 1:12:58.280 --> 1:13:00.520 seemed to be at the beginning of our relation sationship 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:04.400 um is presented in a very you know, pretty matter 1:13:04.439 --> 1:13:07.720 of fact way, but it's so brief, and it's like, 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:12.600 you know that if this were hederal relationship, that it 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:15.280 would all of a sudden take over the entire plot 1:13:15.680 --> 1:13:19.679 in the way that had hedteral relationships that you barely 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:25.679 know anything about consume the plot entirely in in many movies, it's, 1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:28.000 you know, we're kind of going for scraps here. I 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:33.000 do appreciate that it passed queer coding, and you know, 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:36.240 explicitly we're like, these are these are queer characters, but 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:40.080 it's like, I don't know of like I feel like, 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:43.160 of all the issues that are like reference, but only 1:13:43.280 --> 1:13:47.120 like in a very surface, scratchy sort of way. This 1:13:47.120 --> 1:13:50.880 this was one of the big ones. But that said, 1:13:50.880 --> 1:13:55.479 what is there? I think it's very sweet and I'm 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:58.559 I'm rooting for them, ing for them too, But yeah, 1:13:58.640 --> 1:14:04.120 the movie spends more screen time on Dave and Gaz's 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:07.120 reaction to learning this information than it does on the 1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:11.080 relationship itself, which I guess like and again, this is 1:14:11.120 --> 1:14:15.080 extremely bare minimum for them to for Gaz to have 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:19.760 said homophobic things prior to that, but generally seemed to 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:25.360 be accepting of this relationship is like again bare minimum, 1:14:25.520 --> 1:14:27.840 but this is yeah, I mean, it does seem like 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:30.200 this whole movie to an extent, is a journey of 1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:35.800 bare minimum acceptance narratives where it's like, oh, I'm not 1:14:35.880 --> 1:14:38.800 going to mock my friend's body anymore. I'm not going 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:43.880 to make casually homophobic comments about whomever, Like I'm not 1:14:43.960 --> 1:14:48.920 going to assume the worst in and like objectify every 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:51.040 woman who walks into my path, like it's like the 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:54.519 bar is on the floor. But yeah, I mean, but 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:59.040 you're totally right, is like harping on the reaction versus 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:01.439 like there's just there's room there was And I'm not 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:04.280 even asking for, you know, this relationship to take over 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:07.160 the movie. That wouldn't make sense. But it's like, can 1:15:07.240 --> 1:15:10.040 we have a scene with the two of them? Can 1:15:10.120 --> 1:15:13.240 we have a scene with the two of them? Especially 1:15:13.280 --> 1:15:19.240 because according to our favorite scholarly journal Wikipedia, the original 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:23.360 cut of the movie came in under ninety minutes, so 1:15:23.400 --> 1:15:26.679 they went back and re shot, like shot some new scenes, 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:29.679 like new scenes were like written into the movie. For example, 1:15:29.800 --> 1:15:33.000 the the scene where they're like doing an exercise montage 1:15:33.040 --> 1:15:36.080 and then they're like playing soccer that was shot later. 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:38.519 Well that makes sense and really long, and I didn't 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:43.000 know why I was there. It's unnecessary. And if you notice, 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:47.639 Robert Carlyle is not in that scene, those scenes because 1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:51.000 he was like filming other stuff, because this was after 1:15:51.120 --> 1:15:54.200 like principal photography on this movie and he wasn't available, 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:57.280 so double frustrating. So there was like there was room, 1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:02.120 explicitly room for this relationship to be explored further, and 1:16:02.160 --> 1:16:06.599 the choice was simply made to not annoying. I don't like. Wow, 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:11.360 now that I know that, I'm triple annoyed. Yeah, but 1:16:12.120 --> 1:16:15.519 I like what's there. But but it's barely there. It's 1:16:15.560 --> 1:16:17.920 barely there, and it's you know, I kind of added 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.719 in towards the end, and then you see a referenced 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:25.000 in two scenes and then it's you know, we we 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:26.960 spend and I'm not even saying it's a bad thing 1:16:26.960 --> 1:16:29.160 that we spend a lot of time with Dave and 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:31.120 his wife, and we spend a lot of time with 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:34.439 Gas and Mandy, but it's like, let's uh spread the 1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:39.320 love around movie, come on. And then the final character 1:16:39.760 --> 1:16:44.320 is horse to discuss, so the thing that he is 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:49.320 dealing with is that he is insecure about his penis size, 1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:54.080 which again is another just sort of byproduct of the 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:58.880 patriarchal society that we live in, this toxic standard of masculinity. 1:16:59.280 --> 1:17:03.880 We talked about this on a recent episode on be 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:11.679 Dazzled of All movies about society's obsession with penis size 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:18.440 and penis function. I suppose the idea is obsessed with penises, 1:17:18.560 --> 1:17:23.920 and it's like, um, we as a society must grow 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:28.439 up on this. Really it's hurting people, it is, yeah, 1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:32.479 because there's this idea that, you know, you should measure 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:36.840 a person's masculinity based on how big their penises and 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:40.920 how it works. And it's like, it's very common still 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:45.120 today to shame a person for having a small penis, 1:17:45.280 --> 1:17:51.160 or shame someone who's experiencing impotency or premature ejaculation, or 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:54.720 any number of things. And four different characters in this 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:58.200 movie their subplot or at least part of their subplot 1:17:58.320 --> 1:18:02.320 has something to do with something relating to their penis, 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:06.200 which I feel like for the most part, this movie 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:10.800 handles pretty well, like the just that it gets explored 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:13.880 at all that these men feel this pressure to have 1:18:14.960 --> 1:18:20.639 a penis that like aligns with society's expectations, and they 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:29.160 sentence feel the best sentence I've ever said. Um, you know, 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:32.760 it starts to explore these, like, you know, toxic standards, 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:38.240 and granted it doesn't dive very far into them. I 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:42.040 think where the movie kind of fails here is that 1:18:42.400 --> 1:18:44.840 the character Guy, who I would argue we know the 1:18:44.920 --> 1:18:48.360 least about of all of these people. Yeah, all we 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:52.639 know is that he is the lunchbox and that he 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:58.120 readd Gerald La. I think that's all we know. And 1:18:58.280 --> 1:19:02.000 he gets brought into the group strictly based on the 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:05.639 fact that he has a large penis, so they are 1:19:05.800 --> 1:19:08.040 valuing him. They think that he has something to bring 1:19:08.040 --> 1:19:11.880 to the table based on his penis size, and they're 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:14.599 not doing that in a vacuum. But that said, like 1:19:14.680 --> 1:19:19.160 it's you know, it's a it's a loaded decision, yes, 1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:26.240 And then I'm kind of curious about Horse being the character, 1:19:27.400 --> 1:19:31.360 so he's insecure about what he perceives to be his 1:19:31.439 --> 1:19:36.160 small penis. Um He's also the only black character, and 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:40.840 because there is a popular stereotype that black men have 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:45.560 large penises, which of course is a very toxic stereotype 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:49.280 because it's historically been used to over sexualized black men 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:54.400 and to accuse them of being sexually aggressive. So the 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:58.400 movie subverts this stereotype, and it also kind of makes 1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:02.559 me wonder, like, do as horse feel the pressure to 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:07.800 have a bigger penis based on this stereotype? And it 1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:13.519 barely requires saying, but all of these stereotypes are completely 1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:16.719 erroneous and there and they're also you know, in Horses 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:20.519 clearly having an effect on his self esteem based on 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:24.559 these complete lies that are being you know, forced upon him. 1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:27.400 And it's kind of made a joke of in this movie, 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:29.800 not in a way that I feel like it's aggressively 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:32.000 punching down, but I do think that there was like 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:35.719 a little more room just in the way that there 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:39.040 is more room to explore his character in general, there 1:20:39.120 --> 1:20:44.200 was more room to kind of directly interrogate that stereotype, 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:47.120 you know, where it's like referenced, but it's almost referenced 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:49.760 as a given, rather than making it clear that it's 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:53.840 like and this is total bullshit, you know, right, there's 1:20:53.920 --> 1:21:00.000 nothing there's like no explicit indication that that is what's 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:03.880 being referenced. It's just sort of like the movie just 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:06.920 sort of treats that is like this is probably common knowledge, 1:21:07.040 --> 1:21:10.680 the very wink wink way of addressing it. Yeah, you 1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:12.800 know in a movie that I think that does a 1:21:12.840 --> 1:21:16.200 lot well. That is like a stereotype that is referenced 1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:20.200 without being interrogated or explored in anyway. And it just 1:21:20.240 --> 1:21:24.960 feels like a kind of a clearly missed opportunity for sure. 1:21:25.280 --> 1:21:28.080 But because of how this story is set up, there's 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:31.639 no one but white guys around to talk to um. 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:34.240 The fact that we are having this conversation at all 1:21:34.280 --> 1:21:37.760 about like, the ambiguity of it makes it clear that 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:40.960 the topic was not you know, made clear enough or 1:21:41.160 --> 1:21:48.200 adequately explored. And it's yeah, I it's I. I really 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:52.720 like Horses character. And but he's you know, he's the 1:21:52.760 --> 1:21:55.080 only person of color in this group at all. He's 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:57.559 certainly the only black man in this group. We see 1:21:57.680 --> 1:22:01.440 his family in that really funny scene where like horses 1:22:01.600 --> 1:22:05.560 Horses feel like they really um, they're they're very supportive 1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:09.559 of his endeavors. And they show up and we don't 1:22:09.560 --> 1:22:11.240 get to talk to them, we don't get to know 1:22:11.280 --> 1:22:13.479 who they are, Like they're the only black women in 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:15.439 the movie, and they don't say anything, and we don't 1:22:15.479 --> 1:22:18.000 know who they are, and it's like I feel like 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.680 this this is a really We've talked about this a 1:22:21.680 --> 1:22:25.080 bazillion times, particularly with nineties movies, but it is a 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:30.240 you know, very a persistent trope of you know, the 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:34.440 only person of color, you don't know that much about 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:38.479 their background or their home life, like in the way 1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:40.960 that and and and I get that it's like, you know, 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:47.200 we we don't see the lunchboxes home life. Uh, but 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:51.719 but I do think that that it's like again because 1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:55.680 we fully know that there are there is room to 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:58.920 build out each and every one of these characters we've 1:22:58.960 --> 1:23:02.160 got the time, I think it's it's like it kind 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:06.040 of sticks out that horses um home life, and his 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:10.160 character isn't more fully fleshed out, and we don't get 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:14.519 to explore it more. I was like really disappointed, not 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:18.720 surprised with the fact that our only black character, we 1:23:18.960 --> 1:23:22.240 we he has an arc. He you know, it's not 1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:25.839 like he has no story. He definitely does. And it's 1:23:25.880 --> 1:23:28.479 you know, comparable to the stories that the other men 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:30.800 are going through, where he's like you know, going you know, 1:23:30.880 --> 1:23:35.080 navigating this um these toxic expectations and coming out on 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:39.440 the other side more confident and more satisfied with himself, 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:42.439 but you don't get the whole aspect of it, which 1:23:42.479 --> 1:23:45.960 I think you get for every character except for Horse 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:50.920 and what is his actual name? Guy? Literally his name 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:52.679 is Guy, which is why I keep I'm like, because 1:23:52.680 --> 1:23:55.040 I keep wanted to say that guy, but because his 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:58.599 name is Guy. Um, Horse and Guy, you don't get 1:23:58.640 --> 1:24:03.479 that background. And I just feel like it would be 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:06.400 you know, it would benefit both of those characters, but 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:12.000 particularly Hoarse, to to more fully explore what their background is, 1:24:12.000 --> 1:24:14.720 where they're coming from. You know. It's like that the 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:18.920 four men we have the home lives of four white guys, 1:24:19.280 --> 1:24:24.200 you know, no problem. Um. So it feels it feels pointed, 1:24:24.760 --> 1:24:28.880 and it feels just like his characters, you know, under 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:32.080 underwritten in a way that you know, for me, I'm like, 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:36.040 it doesn't it makes no sense. Um. And Also, Paul 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:39.160 Barber is such a fun character actor, and I just 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:42.760 would have liked to like see him more like he's 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:47.439 just he's just fun. He's so funny. This movie is 1:24:47.439 --> 1:24:52.880 so funny. It is, I know. So it's yeah, I mean, 1:24:52.920 --> 1:24:55.640 and and I wish I wish that that that his 1:24:55.680 --> 1:24:58.519 story was just more fully explored because the fact that 1:24:58.520 --> 1:25:03.280 we have this little to talk about, like, well, yeah, yeah, 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:08.759 it's telling. Yes. Do you you have any other thoughts 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:13.920 about the film? Um, I don't really think so. I 1:25:13.960 --> 1:25:17.360 think just in terms of, um, you know, it's I 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:21.120 guess it will not really uh shock anybody to know 1:25:21.280 --> 1:25:25.000 that it's all you know, white men talk to bottom. 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:29.800 In terms of production, I guess if it's actually there. 1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:33.960 There there is a female composer and Dudley who was 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:37.800 nominated for an Academy Award for the score, which is 1:25:37.840 --> 1:25:41.719 interesting because I I feel like it's a jukebox movie, 1:25:41.840 --> 1:25:44.599 but she got dominated for her score, which I don't remember. 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:47.639 There is Yeah, it's a lot of um the soundtrack. Well, 1:25:47.640 --> 1:25:51.120 first of all, the soundtrack is incredible. Um, there is 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:54.639 some original score that is really good. And I believe, 1:25:55.080 --> 1:25:59.639 if I'm not mistaken, she won the Academy Award. Did 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:04.440 she win for it? Yeah? One for Best Original Musical 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:08.680 or Comedy Score. Weight Okay, I think this is a 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:11.920 different category that I'm not sure actually still exists anymore 1:26:11.960 --> 1:26:15.120 for the Academy Awards. I'm not sure, but either way, 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:18.679 shout out and Dudley. Shout out and Dudley. So there 1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:21.880 there was you know, a win there, but like, this 1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:24.040 movie was just I don't know, I think it's like, 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:28.760 ultimately it speaks to like this movie is taking a 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:33.479 really funny, interesting way of exploring really commonly explored topics 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:36.880 that clearly people wanted to see discussed in a movie. 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:42.439 Because it was so ridiculously successful. Um, it was the 1:26:42.560 --> 1:26:48.600 highest grossing film in the UK until it was outperformed 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:55.439 by Titanic Feels Good, which, like, so it would have 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:57.760 only been the highest grossing movie in the UK for 1:26:57.800 --> 1:27:02.800 a few months because Titanic came out a few months later. Look, 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:07.920 I hope they enjoyed their brief but significant rain over 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:11.080 the UK box office. It's such a fun movie, Like 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:15.200 it's Yeah, if you haven't seen this movie, you really 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:18.800 do yourself a favor. It's a blast. Yeah, it really is. 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:20.760 And it's about I mean, we didn't talk too much 1:27:20.760 --> 1:27:26.280 about this, but like any movie that's about like that 1:27:26.439 --> 1:27:30.320 explores and I don't know, well, we've talked about some 1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:34.000 of the ways in which these friendships are maybe not 1:27:34.439 --> 1:27:37.479 the most healthy, but I think for the most part, 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:42.440 especially oh By, like it's the friends, the male friendships 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:47.000 that are being explored in this movie are just really sweet, 1:27:47.160 --> 1:27:50.040 and I really like them and they clearly need it. 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:52.040 It's I do think that this is like a great 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:57.280 example of like the realism is it's you know, no 1:27:57.360 --> 1:28:00.280 one is in the space of what a couple weeks 1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:04.160 going to go from being entrenched in thirty five years 1:28:04.160 --> 1:28:08.160 of toxic masculinity to being like, now all my male 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:11.760 friends and I are talking about our insecurities every day, Like, 1:28:12.720 --> 1:28:15.200 but you see the seeds of it, you see and 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:16.920 it is I mean we've talked, yeah, like we've talked 1:28:16.920 --> 1:28:19.240 about this on the show before of just like not 1:28:19.320 --> 1:28:23.240 really an emphasis on like healthy friendships between men. It's 1:28:23.320 --> 1:28:28.080 just not something that's emphasized in I mean in society, 1:28:28.080 --> 1:28:31.360 but also in movies When and and and you see 1:28:31.400 --> 1:28:35.280 kind of the repercussions of that through like repression and 1:28:35.360 --> 1:28:39.760 pushing stuff down and not communicating how you're feeling. And 1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:43.160 then you see, you know, like through their friendships, they 1:28:43.400 --> 1:28:47.160 start to feel some relief, they start to see other perspectives, 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:50.480 They start to realize they're not alone in their insecurities 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:53.920 and their worries that they thought were just so unique 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:58.679 to them. It's beautiful, It's really this movie is really nice. 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:03.120 I like it's much they helped set each other free 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:06.880 because they learned to be more open and honest. I 1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:09.720 love when the boys set each other free. It's so 1:29:10.160 --> 1:29:13.800 there's this is you know, we're we're We're not in 1:29:13.840 --> 1:29:18.240 the business of endorsing entirely where I'm not in the 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:21.360 business of endorsing seven or six six or seven men 1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:25.240 on a poster ordinarily. But this movie really is an 1:29:25.240 --> 1:29:28.479 exception to the rule. It's true, it's great. Does it 1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:31.120 pass the Bechdel t I do not believe. So they're 1:29:31.200 --> 1:29:35.240 only scene where women interact with each other is that 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:38.799 bathroom scene towards the beginning, Jean and her two friends. 1:29:39.400 --> 1:29:43.840 They either talk about Dave or this guy named Frank. 1:29:44.240 --> 1:29:47.519 Most of the time there's like a couple of stray 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:50.400 exchanges that like technically would pass, except that we don't 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:53.280 learn the friends names. I do not believe, and they're 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:57.760 also not characters who ever show up again. So I 1:29:57.800 --> 1:30:01.960 would say that that's not a pass as far as 1:30:01.960 --> 1:30:05.040 our nipple scale, and which we rate the movie on 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:08.559 a scale of zero to five nipples based on an 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:12.759 examination of intersectional feminism. So while this is a story 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:18.720 that centers men and where women are like the side 1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:24.240 like his wife characters or his ex wife characters. Um. 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:29.760 Even so, because this is a movie that by and 1:30:29.880 --> 1:30:35.280 large explores what toxic standards of masculinity due to men, 1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:42.679 how they affect men negatively, and how the men are 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:45.680 once they sort of start to set them like to 1:30:46.760 --> 1:30:50.760 try to cast those standards aside and like set themselves 1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:57.960 free of those standards, do they become happier and more successful? Um? 1:30:58.000 --> 1:31:00.800 And people are celebrating them to like at that at 1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:03.599 the end. I don't think we mentioned this yet, but yeah, 1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:08.639 like at the end to like see the boys all 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:11.759 like comfortable in their own bodies and their whole families 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:18.400 are like, yes, my confident family member, Like is it, oh, 1:31:18.760 --> 1:31:21.479 you know, if you put yourself in the position of 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:23.960 like looking at I don't know. I'm like, what I 1:31:24.000 --> 1:31:25.800 want to see my dad in this kind of show. No, 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:32.320 but I appreciate the sentiment. Horses family, I think they're 1:31:32.360 --> 1:31:35.880 they're right at the end, they're there. I imagine they're 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:39.559 covering their eyes whenever, or they're just like not looking 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:45.200 horses direction. Also, Nathan is there. Nathan probably really just 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:49.440 shouldn't be there around for most of this movie. Um. 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:54.960 But but with all that in mind. Um. It's a 1:31:55.000 --> 1:31:58.719 story about men who are products of their environment, who 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:03.720 feel emasculated because of the circumstances and because of this 1:32:03.800 --> 1:32:07.599 patriarchal society that they live in, that start to learn 1:32:08.240 --> 1:32:13.880 to embrace other standards and to embrace healthier options. So 1:32:13.960 --> 1:32:18.280 because of that, I'm going to give this movie this 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:22.240 is too high. Okay, I'm gonna give it three nibbles. 1:32:22.680 --> 1:32:26.519 I was going to do that as well. And it's 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.400 your birthday, so it's my birthday, and I love this movie, 1:32:29.479 --> 1:32:31.799 so I can do whatever I want. Damn good movie. 1:32:32.320 --> 1:32:37.400 It's so good. It's so funny, I really And while 1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:42.040 the characters do say some aggressive things that are homophobic 1:32:42.160 --> 1:32:46.120 and misogynist, I feel like there's a difference between the 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:49.760 characters being that way and the movie also subscribing to 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:54.400 that ideology where a lot of movies, especially from this era, 1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:57.439 the jokes that are being made by the movie are 1:32:57.520 --> 1:33:00.479 like punching down. I don't feel like the movie is 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:03.439 doing this. The movie isn't menching down. I care that 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:05.840 they're supposed to look ridiculous when they say these things, 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:10.120 and and and wrong, I hope, but at least that's 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:13.080 how I view it. And especially because so much of 1:33:13.120 --> 1:33:18.519 comedy from this era, and most of like comedy movies 1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:22.599 from every decade, we're so reliant on punching down and 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:28.599 making jokes that were homophobic, racist, sexist, transphobic, ablest, you 1:33:28.680 --> 1:33:33.360 name it. This movie avoids that for the most part, 1:33:34.080 --> 1:33:39.639 and I appreciate that. So, yeah, three nipples. I'll give 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:45.479 one to horses family. Hell yeah, I will give one 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:50.479 too Mandy, who I have more of an appreciation for 1:33:50.600 --> 1:33:54.320 than I did as a younger person. And I'll give 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:58.400 one nipple to the woman who peas on the wall 1:33:58.920 --> 1:34:04.680 while standing up incredible. Yeah, I'll also go with with 1:34:04.840 --> 1:34:08.560 a three here. I think that it is a very 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:15.760 rare movie that is able to acknowledge toxic masculinity without 1:34:15.840 --> 1:34:20.479 endorsing it like that is such a difficult line to toe, 1:34:20.640 --> 1:34:25.800 and I feel like it ordinarily fails pretty spectacularly. But 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:28.720 it doesn't hear like I like you're like you were 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:32.719 saying it is, I feel like that you understand. It's 1:34:32.760 --> 1:34:37.040 interesting to see very flawed male characters presented with empathy 1:34:37.120 --> 1:34:42.360 but also not endorsing what their behaviors and clearly demonstrating 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:44.720 through the plot and through their arts and through how 1:34:44.760 --> 1:34:50.280 their behaviors affect their relationships, that this is not the 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:56.080 way to live. I just I it's so well written. 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:59.200 It blows my mind. I was like, how did man, 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:02.240 you know you hand it? You gotta hand it to 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:05.120 them every once in a while. Um. I mean, I 1:35:05.439 --> 1:35:08.040 do think that the two characters that you neglect to 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:13.120 um create a meaningful home life and backstory. For being 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:17.040 your only black protagonist and one of your only queer 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:20.760 characters is uh, perhaps let's say, a bit glaring when 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:23.080 we are definitely focusing on the home lives of the 1:35:23.120 --> 1:35:28.080 straight white guys. No problem. That is just very and 1:35:28.760 --> 1:35:33.320 um annoying, especially because we know there's room for it. Um. However, 1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:35.880 I just think it is. It is a very well 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:42.000 crafted story about men working through their ship and also 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:46.680 working through their ship together you know, and it and 1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:50.200 learning to communicate with each other, with their partners with 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:53.560 you know, and and and how learning how to communicate. 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:57.799 Even though it does not lift them out of poverty, 1:35:57.880 --> 1:36:00.479 even though it does not solve the systemic problems, it 1:36:00.520 --> 1:36:04.880 does give them more peace and it gives and it's like, 1:36:05.600 --> 1:36:08.160 I don't know, I like I like when stories and 1:36:08.280 --> 1:36:12.200 just in general and people ask themselves like, are you know, 1:36:12.760 --> 1:36:16.040 I don't know. It's it's it doesn't end perfectly. You 1:36:16.120 --> 1:36:19.000 know that this one show isn't going to lift them 1:36:19.040 --> 1:36:23.280 all out of solve Solving Industrial unless it does. But like, 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:26.960 you know, there, there is there, all are all these 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:30.280 things out of their control, and there are these things 1:36:30.280 --> 1:36:32.759 that are within their control, and it's they're just parsing 1:36:32.800 --> 1:36:35.639 that out throughout the movie and it's just it's really 1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:42.920 cool to watch. Yes, Happy birthday, Thank you. I love 1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:46.760 you so much. I've got your gift and I'm not 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:48.400 going to show. I was like, I'm not gonna give 1:36:48.400 --> 1:36:50.200 it to you on camera. That would be very you know, 1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:54.840 we need to have our interior life. But um, but 1:36:54.920 --> 1:36:58.000 happy birthday. You're the best. Thank you, Thank you. I 1:36:58.040 --> 1:37:03.719 love you, Jamie, I love you too well everyone, and 1:37:03.600 --> 1:37:09.360 a and a happy birthday to you all. Um. You 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:12.280 know the stuff. By now follow us on social media. 1:37:12.439 --> 1:37:16.560 Hey for my birthday. Here's what you can do, listeners, 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:24.040 give us a five star nipple rating on Apple Podcasts 1:37:24.160 --> 1:37:28.080 or wherever you are able to rate podcasts. It's a 1:37:28.240 --> 1:37:30.360 nice thing to do. If you like the show. If 1:37:30.360 --> 1:37:33.720 you don't like the show, keep it to yourself. It 1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:36.040 would it would be such a nice birthday gift if 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:41.280 you gave me five nipples. Um, if you've got five dollars, 1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:47.080 you can put that toward a Matreon subscription, always an 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:50.800 option that. 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