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Speaker 1: them something that the other podcast hosts don't. We have

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Speaker 1: to go the full Monty. I okay, fine, you know what,

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Speaker 1: examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens using the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: Tests simply as a jumping off point, Jamie, is my birthday.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like you know saying what the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: Bechdel Wallace test for our purposes, to people of a

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Speaker 1: just very matter of factly, like we're in a working

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00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: class community that it has been you know, like devastated

424
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: in a way that many industrial towns have been um

425
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: particularly in this Like I did a little little history dive.

426
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is like, you know, but

427
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: that happens virtually everywhere, Like everyone knows of a place

428
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: where this I don't know my hometown used to be

429
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: shoe city. If you look at it used to be

430
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: shoe city and guess what, no more shoes Now there's

431
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: there's a loan there's a loan shoe company left in Brockton.

432
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: If you want to, uh, you know, go online too.

433
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: I think it's called foot Joy. Get some shoes from

434
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: foot Joy. It's the last. But there used to be

435
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: five trillions to factories in Brocton. But anyways, this is

436
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: a very common thing in you know, in working class neighborhoods,

437
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: and but you so rarely see working class people centered

438
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: in movies. And it's like watching specifically working class men

439
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: struggle with the pressures of masculinity on like all these

440
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: different levels. It's it's so unique, and it's I don't know,

441
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: like there's places where I'm like, oh, I wish they

442
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: had gone further. I wish that this character had more

443
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: of a complete arc. But I feel like even now

444
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: it's like that I can't really there's there's not many

445
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: movies that do this. I feel like it's there. There

446
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: is like a lot of good examination of like working

447
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: class issues in TV, but I don't think as much

448
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: in in movies. Yeah, I think that is really cool

449
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: and like you said it, um, these men are dealing

450
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: with these pressures of toxic masculinity and acting in ways

451
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: in some cases that were like mmmmm, I wish you

452
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't use that homophobic slur and I wish you wouldn't

453
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: like cat call women who are like walking down the

454
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: street and reading them there for instance. Yeah, so you know,

455
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: they're their products of their environment, certainly. But yeah, I

456
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: think the movie does, especially for like a movie in

457
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: the nineties, does like a pretty good job of exploring

458
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: those standards and those pressures without like you said, being

459
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: very preachy and like bashing you over the head with it.

460
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: It just sort of like it presents the thing. Could

461
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: there have been more commentary maybe, but like any any

462
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: movie could go further. But but it tackles a lot

463
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: but doesn't necessarily go super far with any of it.

464
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: But it's also not like, you know, it's mostly there

465
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: to be a romp, which I appreciate it like it's

466
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: a romp, But they touches on a number of issues

467
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: surrounding toxic masculinity with that with like kind of so seamlessly.

468
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'll take it. I also really appreciate

469
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: it for in the casting of this movie that they

470
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: cast characteristic, They cast like people who look like people

471
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: and not like rigid because I feel like that, you know,

472
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: even sometimes when we do get movies about about everyday people,

473
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: they still look like movie stars who have the highest

474
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: like you know, it's without body shaming movie stars, I guess,

475
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: like you know, it's clear when you have the money

476
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: to look like a movie star versus not, right, And

477
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: I just I always appreciate when like it's a cast

478
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: of of working class everyday people and it isn't like Noah'

479
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: sentenao as like you know what I mean, right, It's like, oh,

480
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: the movie is telling us that this is a working

481
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: class person, but this actor clearly has a personal trainer

482
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: that they spend like an hour or more a day with.

483
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: They clearly spend like I don't know, fifty dollars a

484
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: day on smoothies and like whatever green drinks that French people.

485
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: This is a class war issue, what is? It's just

486
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: like and we're so we're so conditioned to just boop

487
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: through that cognitive dissonance, just like when you watch like

488
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: a whatever, like a teen soap, you're like, oh, yeah,

489
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, teenagers are actually twenty eight years old, Like

490
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: it's just a dissonant thing that exists in culture. But

491
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: but when it actually isn't like that, and you get

492
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: a cast of like people who look like people, you know,

493
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's like we talked about this in

494
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: eighth grade, which is this is maybe way off topic,

495
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: but just like how startling it is when you see uh,

496
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: teenager playing and looking like a teenager because you're so

497
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: used to seeing lady year old as teenagers. Yeah, I

498
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: feel like at thirty five, which I will be in

499
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: a few days on my birthday, I will just be

500
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: aging out of being able to play a teenager. Caitlyn,

501
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you could very much still get cast

502
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: as like she's like she's a senior and I'm so

503
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: scared of her. Thank you so much. Yeah, of course,

504
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I guess should we get into like individual characters and

505
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: sort of like because each character has like a pretty

506
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: specific like subplot that they are something that they're dealing with. Um,

507
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: shall we start with our protagonist, Gas? Let's do it?

508
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh Gas, we need to talk so I mean as

509
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: far as like positives, because there are there are some

510
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: there are Yeah, I really appreciate that you have an

511
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: example of a man who like loves being a dad.

512
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: He loves his son more than anything in the world.

513
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: He will go to great lengths he wants. I think

514
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: he's cool so bad, Yes, And I feel like that's

515
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: not a super common thing in media to see for

516
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: like a blue color, working classman who like loves being

517
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: a dad and who's who is like very attentive to

518
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: his son and who very openly shows affection towards his son.

519
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that he also doesn't sometimes put his

520
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: son in situations that are inappropriate, which he definitely does

521
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, but I like, I'm always just kind

522
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: of struck with um when I when I watched like

523
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: the relationship between Gas and Nathan, And while ultimately is

524
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: this a movie about fathers and sons? It always is, Yes,

525
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: it always is, But I like, don't even mind because

526
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like it works. Yeah, it's it feels earned.

527
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Despite his questionable parenting choices that he makes sometimes, I

528
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: still really love that representation of fatherhood. I agree, Yeah,

529
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's so tricky because it's like, you know,

530
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: it's part of it is like, well, if Gas was

531
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: being a completely responsible parent. The movie probably wouldn't even

532
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: happen the way that yes, because you wouldn't bring your

533
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: underage child to uh like like where you're you're going

534
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: to be completely naked, which is like that feels intuitive.

535
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: Um that said, I mean it's and this isn't too

536
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: excused the behavior, but I do think it's like, especially

537
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: in movies where there are parents, I feel like sometimes

538
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: kids are written not of the plot when it doesn't

539
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: serve the plot. But it is like, you know that

540
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: that's a very normal, especially because we know the financial

541
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: circumstance that that Gas is in that it would make

542
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like can he afford childcare? Of course,

543
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: not like he's going to have to have Nath with

544
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: him wherever he is, And that is like, I don't know.

545
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: One of one of the plot points with with Guys

546
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: that really hit from me is is the custody issue.

547
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: And I kind of I appreciated that the custody issue,

548
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: at least the way I was watching it. And I'm

549
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: always like, if I had goggles on, I don't know,

550
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, but I felt like very often, Um,

551
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: and again I guess to go back to the Santa clause.

552
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: Of course, mothers seeking custody of their children are often

553
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: portrayed as being unreasonable, as being shrill, as being you know,

554
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: like unfair essentially, as like takeing something. But the way

555
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: that this custody situation is presented, I thought was like

556
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: pretty thought full on both ends, where like, I don't know,

557
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: how did you. I didn't feel like Mandy was really demonized,

558
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: and I understood her frustration and I understood her concern

559
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: like for sure, and then you also see completely why

560
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: like Gas is so frustrated with the situation, and it

561
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: is it's it is like they're being presented with this

562
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: impossible situation by poverty, and it just it and and

563
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: it's presented very like a matter of fact, and I

564
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: mean it makes me sad because it's just like something

565
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: that happens um in in poor families where it's like, yeah,

566
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: I understand why, um why Mandy is like this is

567
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: not a you know, responsible way for my son to

568
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: be spending this time. And then you also were like, well,

569
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Gas can't afford to do much else at this time,

570
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: and does that mean that he should have his son

571
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: taken away from him? And you know, just all this

572
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: ship that they're like really complicated issues that could have

573
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: been really you know, melo dramatically harped upon, that are

574
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: presented in a way that I felt was like empathetic

575
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: and also not I don't know, I don't know, maybe

576
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: it was like too lighthearted, but I thought it was

577
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: pretty well done. And also just like and this is

578
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: like a I guess a through line of this movie

579
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: of like all the all the all the men in

580
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: the full Monty group is that the name of their

581
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: group is it called the full Monty They I don't

582
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: think they gave themselves. Ah no, it's hot metal when

583
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: they're um. When they put up the posters advertising their show,

584
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: they call themselves hot metal. I'm going to get you

585
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: a poster like that for your house. Hot metal. Um.

586
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: But but the way that like and this is and

587
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: and you know, everyone who has read you know, leftist

588
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: theory is going to be like I'm presenting this in

589
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: the most goofy, simplistic way possible, but basically, like all

590
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: these men are dealing with the failure of industry and

591
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: the failure of social safety net and the like, these

592
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: structural failures and because of the effect that toxic masculinity

593
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: has on them. They're interpreting it as personal failures. And

594
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: I think that this affects like almost every man in

595
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: this group, and you see it affect them in different ways.

596
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: But it is like it's so sad and frustrating to

597
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: see for guys that he he is both really doing

598
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: everything he can to like get through and be able

599
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: to keep custody of his son and be able to

600
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: support himself financially, but he's being put in this impossible

601
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: situation and also because of all the messaging that you know,

602
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: everybody gets, is made to feel like he is like

603
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: failed as a provid eider as well. And so it's

604
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, Yeah, it's so it's so complicated,

605
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: but it's not presented like that. I just think it's

606
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: really cool. I don't know. Yeah, I will say that

607
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: when I watched this movie when I was younger, like

608
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, I feel like I did

609
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: maybe think that his ex wife Mandy was kind of

610
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: presented sort of as like your kind of typical like

611
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: mother Shrew character, especially because in every scene she's in,

612
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: she and Gas are arguing over Nathan, but rewatching it

613
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: like through this lens. I fully like, I saw where

614
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: she was coming from, and I was like, well, of

615
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: course she's constantly arguing with him. It's because he's, like again,

616
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: making questionable parental decisions. He's also, I would argue that

617
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily doing everything he can to like no, okay,

618
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: child's moore, because he's also she offers him a job,

619
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: there are jobs available, but there he like kind of

620
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: I think he might see him like certain work to

621
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: be below him because he's also I know, I don't

622
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: want this job. No, I'm not going to be a

623
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: security guy like he. So he's refusing opportunities for work,

624
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: which I found should be frustrating. Yeah, I mean I agree.

625
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: I also felt like he didn't want to work under

626
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: her because he has a lot of I mean, I

627
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: feel like the main thing with Gas for me is

628
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: is the the bringing your kids places your kids shouldn't

629
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: be and misogyny. Um are are two and not the

630
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: only things, but like two big things where like, clearly

631
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: this guy has some issues with women, and it seems

632
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: like he does not want it. Seems like he is

633
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: and I guess, yeah, it's like I'm watching it with

634
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: my goggles on where I'm like, yeah, like it seems

635
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: like he doesn't want to work beneath man D and

636
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: that like that to him is like I would rather

637
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: like hatch a scheme than work beneath someone. But it's

638
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: also like it's I don't know, it's it's such a

639
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: tricky area where it's like, you know, should he be

640
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: forced to take a job that he doesn't want to take?

641
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't seem reasonable either, But he's just like

642
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: everyone's being put in an impossible situation. But yeah, I

643
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: definitely interpreted the like her. I'm also like two fifty

644
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: an hour even like what it was pounds? It was pounds,

645
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: but yeah, like what would that have converted to in

646
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: late nineties money? Yeah, And it's like, yeah, I mean

647
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people who grew up in working class circumstances,

648
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: like their parents to support them, took jobs that they

649
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: did not were not passionate about, and certainly felt were

650
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: below their skill set and below what they wanted to do.

651
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, I don't know, we're not parents

652
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: that said I did. I Yeah, I was also frustrated

653
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: by him, you know, scheme over Garen, Like it's it's

654
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: he's he's a self sabotager, like he's a major self sabotager,

655
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: and that it's like, you know, if if this movie

656
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: took place in the real world and nobody came to

657
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: that show, he would simply lose custody of his son,

658
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: like it would blow up in his face royally, I

659
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: don't know. And then I mean, like you mentioned, he

660
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: does pretty clearly have some issues with misogyny that I

661
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: like to think that he starts to work through after

662
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: this show and that he grotes as a person. But

663
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: there's like that whole scene when they're at the job

664
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: club and he's talking about how, oh, like men are obsolete,

665
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's like a reflection of this

666
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: idea that as soon as women, if there's any kind

667
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: of like women's liberation, men interpret that is like, well, well,

668
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: if if women are are free and have rights and

669
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: can have jobs and stuff, then men won't even need

670
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: to exist, and they feel like very threat from me. Yeah,

671
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: it is so like boomer mentality. Yeah. Yeah, So that's

672
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: like very clearly what guys is talking about in this

673
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: scene to me where he's like, well, gee whiz. And

674
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: then there's also like funny slash bizarre thing where they're

675
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: like talking about that woman who they saw peeing while

676
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: she was standing up and they were like how how

677
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: could that even happen? And then some random guys like

678
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: genetic mutations, they're turning into us, and then they're like, yeah,

679
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: we're going extinct. We're only going to be in like

680
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: a zoo. Again. It's like that sort of thing where

681
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm putting my I'm trying to put

682
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: on goggles and I just don't have access to them.

683
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, how was what was this joke supposed to

684
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: be about when it came out? Because maybe it's like,

685
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: but I thought that that scene was like kind it

686
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: was fun in that I felt like and again maybe

687
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: I'm giving them moving more credit than it deserves, like

688
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: that it was they were supposed to look kind of

689
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: desperate and ridiculous in the way that they were talking

690
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: about women, where it was like, I don't know, like

691
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's not all of but you know, a

692
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: lot of misogyny is like men being insecure about themselves

693
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: and then weaponizing it against someone that they think is

694
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: an easy target. And like the way that they talk

695
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: about women in terms of like women who are working

696
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: while they're not. It's like, well, what a huge insult.

697
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: And it's like we we just need to think a

698
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: little bigger, guys, we need to think a little bigger.

699
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: It's not there, it's not them. Um yeah, um, why

700
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: don't we take a quick break and then we'll come

701
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: back for a more discussion and we're back. Is there

702
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: anything else we wanna say regarding Gas? Um? I guess well,

703
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: I think guys, He's just it's for our protagonist. He

704
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: I feel like embodies a lot of toxic mail, Like

705
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: I feel like more so than any other character really

706
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: except for maybe Gerald, But like Gas has a lot

707
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: like he has the misogyny. He makes homophobic comments about

708
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: the Chippendales at first, he you know, fat shames Dave

709
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: at times, like he he is extremely rigid in binary

710
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: in the way that he thinks, which is like we

711
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: can pretty reasonably say product of his environment. But also

712
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: it's like there are men in this same environment that

713
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: seemed to have more open lines and are kind of

714
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: a more productive path. So Gaz isn't my favorite, but um,

715
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: I I respect his journey. I'm glad he didn't lose

716
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: custody of his son. Also, I what do you think

717
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: about Gas taking money from Nath. I feel like that's

718
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: another complicated thing where it's like it has to happen

719
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: plot wise, but like they're had, like especially when he

720
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: could have just worked for Mandy for a couple of

721
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: days and gotten the same amount of money over taking

722
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: it from his son's savings account. I don't know. I

723
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: like especially that young like, I don't know. It's like

724
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: the way money loves within working class families is definitely complicated.

725
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: But I'm like, taking your whatever, ten year old only money, Gas,

726
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: really really I don't like it. He's perhaps also too

727
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: quick to be like, okay, take your money. He doesn't

728
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: push one, but yeah, what I'll say there is that

729
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: I hope he pays it back immediately after doing this

730
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: show with like interest. I feel like he will to,

731
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: like he loves he loves Naith, right, But I'm like, God,

732
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: you're putting Nathan between a rock and a hard place here,

733
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: gash my god. I also think that Nathan will help

734
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: to rid Gas of some of his misogyny. And I

735
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: say this because there's a scene in the very beginning

736
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: where Gus sees a woman rates her on like a

737
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: one to ten scale. Says a bunch of really sexist stuff,

738
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: like he's like, well she's a night maybe even a nine.

739
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: You never can tell until you see their tids um,

740
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: and we're like gas um. And while he's saying this,

741
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: Nathan's like dad, like in a very like testy way.

742
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: And I hope that as Nathan gets older, he sits

743
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: his dad down and says, Dad, you shouldn't be objectifying

744
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: women like that. You should not be valuing a woman

745
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: based on how attractive you perceive her to be, et cetera.

746
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: So I agree, Yeah, I thought that, like nath being

747
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: embarrassed by his dad's misogyny hopefully means that down down

748
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: the road. Also, I'm like, is Nathan their manager now?

749
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: Like what happens now? I don't know. He seems to

750
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: be kind of I mean he's clearly he's an investor,

751
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: that much is for sure. He's an early investor in

752
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: the group. Who knows he's he's wearing many hats. Yeah,

753
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: he's you know, a complex, a complex character. Shout out

754
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: to Nathan. You know what a what a sweetheart, what

755
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: a sweet kid and a pretty good child actor, pretty good. Yeah.

756
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: His name is William Snape, which I was like, huh

757
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 1: that it sounds like a fake name, but right, because

758
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: then you're and you're like, oh wait, I guess Harry

759
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: Potter that name isn't a fake name, which is what

760
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: I always thought when I it's like it sounds like snake,

761
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: So turn out it's a real last name. Well, you know,

762
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: water under the bridge at this point, Um, where where

763
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: shall we? Where shall we go from here? What about Dave? Dave? Okay, Yes,

764
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: I I Dave's journey is unique, and I feel like,

765
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: not just unique in this group, but unique for talking

766
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: about masculinity and body standards at all. Yes, So the

767
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: thing that he is predominantly dealing with in this movie

768
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: is that he feels a lot of shame about being fat,

769
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: probably because his peers constantly fat shame him. Yeah, and

770
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: he's he so mentions. I thought it was like a

771
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: useful context that is like this is something that has

772
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: been his whole life, Like he's been made fun of

773
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: for this and it and and it's like clearly just

774
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: like his body type because he's like, I haven't changed anything,

775
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: It's just who I am. But like people will not

776
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: leave him alone about it. Yeah, and then it's at

777
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: least suggested in the movie that the shame he is

778
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: feeling is manifesting as like this sexual dry spell with

779
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: his wife because he's experiencing impotency issues. He's uh seems

780
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: to be unable to get an erection, uh, and it's

781
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: affecting his sex life with his wife. The fact that

782
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: this is even like talked about at all in a

783
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: movie in the nineties is like kind of groundbreaking. But yeah,

784
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: and I felt as though that was all dealt with

785
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: pretty responsibly. Yeah. Yeah, and I think like in making

786
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: it clear that all of this is happening in response

787
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: to you know, just how others are perceiving his body.

788
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: And it's like that moment at the end with his

789
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: his wife, um, but where it's like I don't know,

790
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, there's so so much about

791
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: that scene that I thought was really sweet and well

792
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: thought out of just you know, she she loves him,

793
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: and she's attracted to him, and she loves his body,

794
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: and just hearing that sometimes is like, I don't know,

795
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like, and this is a generalization,

796
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: but a lot of men, straight men particularly don't always

797
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: know how to like ask for what they need or

798
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: there's like there's on top of like shame attached to

799
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: your body, which you know affects people of all genders,

800
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Like there is like this I don't know if like

801
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: there there's this kind of general like you can't admit weakness,

802
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: you know, you can't discuss shame with your partner when

803
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: it's so clearly like it's one conversation that like totally

804
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: sets him free and like clearly, I mean, it doesn't

805
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: solve the problem right away, but it's it's just so

806
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: so simple and so nice and but but it you

807
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: totally understand why he's going through this journey the way

808
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: he is, because it's just like shame on top of shame,

809
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: on top of shame on top of shame, and it's

810
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: all connected to this like toxicity around men and and

811
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: around the way that people like police each other's bodies totally.

812
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: There are a couple of scenes in the movie where

813
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: they're hanging out at Gerald's house, and one of them,

814
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: Dave is kind of expressing his insecurity about like not

815
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: wanting to show his naked body in front of a

816
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: bunch of people, and Gerald kind of dismisses him and

817
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: says fat David is a feminist issue, and he's like,

818
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: what's that supposed to mean when it's at home? And yeah,

819
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: so like even when he does try to open up

820
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: and talk about it, he's like it's being dismissed. And

821
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: because like Gerald holds this toxic viewpoint of like, well,

822
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: being fat is something that's like only women are concerned about,

823
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: or only women should be concerned about, and like this

824
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: it should you know, it shouldn't affect you, but obviously,

825
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: like body and beauty standards affect everyone who has a body,

826
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: which is everyone. So yeah, so he's not being taken seriously.

827
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: And then there's a later scene where they're looking at

828
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: like a porn magazine and um Lumper is like, oh,

829
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: well her tits are too big, and Dave's like, well,

830
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: I hope they're not going to be looking at us

831
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: like that. I hope the women in the audience are

832
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: more understanding comes through and then they're like, well why

833
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: would why would they be judging our bodies? And he's

834
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: just like, well, you know, why not. He's just commented

835
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: on her breast siyes and lumbers, like well it's different

836
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: where blokes, but well I guess I mean, yes, the

837
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: standards of beauty do tend to be a bit harsher

838
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: and more rigid for women, but men and people of

839
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: all genders are subjected to specific and often rigid beauty standards. Yeah.

840
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: I thought that that story, you know, it played out

841
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: pretty well. And it's like and and the fact that

842
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 1: it's like having that conversation with his where his wife, um,

843
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: but having that conversation with her, like and communicating and

844
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: acknowledging where you feel vulnerable, which again not what straight

845
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: men are generally known for. Um is able to like

846
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: kind of unlock this confidence in himself and an acceptance

847
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: and like enjoying being in his own skin. It's so

848
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: simple and so nice, and I just, yeah, I I

849
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. And there's also there's a quote I

850
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: want to pull from friend of the cast, Jenna Schmiding,

851
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: who gave an interview recently that I don't know it

852
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: just timed out well. Watched this movie last night, this

853
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: interview came out this morning. Uh so, Janna says, quote,

854
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, let me actually lead in with the quote.

855
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: Uh In. In Schmiding's estimation, we can only really celebrate

856
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: body positivity when quote we create equity and access for

857
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: fat people in all aspects of our lives. The term

858
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: body positivity, Yes, it is about celebrating our existence and

859
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: celebrating our bodies. But it's nearly impossible to do that

860
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: when every system and structure around us is built and

861
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: created to exclude fat people and to essentially vilify and

862
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: oppress fat individuals and fatness as a concept. We need

863
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: to get to a place where fatness is normalized widely

864
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: and people have access to medical care and all of

865
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: the same social norms that non fat people have access to, unquote,

866
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: which is you know, I don't think that this movie

867
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: goes all the way, but I think that it in

868
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: terms of just even having that discussion in in a

869
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, I I feel like part of

870
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: this movie's strength is that everyone in this group is

871
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: kind of clueless, and they're all kind of like coming

872
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: to most of these issues with like I don't know,

873
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: and like learning from each other through trial and error,

874
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't know. It's it's cool.

875
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: It's as as uncomfortable as it is at times, it's

876
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: cool to watch them work through it. Yeah, because like, yeah,

877
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be super realistic if all of these men

878
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: in were like super woke and like I knew all

879
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: the stuff and just like we're it wouldn't make sense

880
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: in one like it's like I do, I do like

881
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: and I hope that that kind of I would like

882
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: to see. I guess more of that of like people

883
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: learning on the screen and like shedding the ship mentality

884
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: and not coming in a fully formed you know, being,

885
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: because like no one does. And yeah, it's it's just

886
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: like super interesting because it's like, yeah, I mean, guys

887
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: in that group are fucking up in terms of like

888
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: they're dismissing Dave's concerns. They're telling him it's not a thing,

889
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: and then they realize over time that oh, it very

890
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 1: much is a thing, and it's affecting my friend who

891
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: I love. Yeah, Dave does not display as much misogyny

892
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: as Gas does, But there is one part of the

893
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: movie when they're watching Flash Dance and Dave is commenting

894
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: on the main characters welding abilities, so and they're like

895
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: you don't know how to well, yeah, guys, is like,

896
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: what the funk do you know about welding? And Dave says,

897
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: I know more than some chuffing woman, which chuffing I'm

898
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: I'm guessing is like fucking, I don't like, I don't, goddamn,

899
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, correct as if we're wrong. Yeah, yeah,

900
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, so he doesn't think that women can weld

901
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: really really, what Dave is more guilty of is letting

902
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: things slide when other men around him say fucked up stuff,

903
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: because it's like, I mean, Nathan is doing more to

904
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: push up against gazes casual misogyny than Davis, and Nathan's

905
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: like ten, uh so that's not great. Yeah, because it's

906
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: like any time like I feel like and you see

907
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: this like I don't know, like I've I've seen this

908
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: interaction where it's like someone says something really casually fucked

909
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: up and then the other persons like, oh, come on,

910
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: like and then they just never talk about it. That

911
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: is Dave. That that seems like Dave's m O is like, well,

912
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it myself, but I'm never

913
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: going to point out when someone's being you know, bigoted, unfair,

914
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: misogynist at yea, yeah, yeah, shall we talk about Gerald? Yeah,

915
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about Gerald. So his situation is that he

916
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: is ashamed at having lost his job. He cannot be

917
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: the provider anymore. He is unable to admit this to

918
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: his wife because of all the shame he feels um

919
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: which again goes back to that kind of toxic standard

920
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: of masculine city where men are expected to be the

921
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: providers and if they can't do that, then the other

922
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: a failure, they don't know what they're worth is and

923
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So, um, yeah, I thought that was

924
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: a very interesting thing to explore. There are there's like

925
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: at least one scene where even Gazz is like, why

926
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: can't you just tell your wife? And Gerald's like, well,

927
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: it's been six months now, Like how can I tell

928
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: her now? I've let it go on for way too

929
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: long and and part of it is like, also, this

930
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: just not being able to be like open and forthcoming

931
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: to the romantic partner, and it's it's so like and

932
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: it's it seems to be like in Dave and Gerald's case,

933
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: wives that they love very much. It makes me sad.

934
01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: And what I really loved is his wife's response when

935
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: she does find out and I don't I feel like

936
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: you do learn her name, but I he mentioned it

937
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: a few times, but it's the dialogue in this movie

938
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: was so tough for me. And she does have a name,

939
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was off the top of

940
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: my head. Linda I think is her name? That yes, Okay.

941
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: So she finds out because people come into her home

942
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: and start repossessing things. And Gerald comes home while this

943
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: is happening, and she's like, how long has this been

944
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: going on? He's like about six months. And she's like,

945
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: all right, well, you know, I can deal with losing

946
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: the sun bed, the car, whatever, like material possessions. She

947
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: lists off. She's like, I can even deal with the

948
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: shame of everyone watching this, but six months and you

949
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell me your wife. So she's not upset

950
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: about which I think is like a pretty major subversion

951
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: for like the wife character of just like being upset

952
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: about like losing these like luxury items and stuff like that.

953
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't even care about that. I only

954
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: care that you you weren't honest with me, and you

955
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: weren't open with me, and you didn't tell me that

956
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 1: this is something that was happening, especially because like she's

957
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: sort of set up to seem kind of like materialistic

958
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: because she's like, let's go, like, let's spend all this money.

959
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: I want to go on like a ski trip and

960
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But then she's like, I don't actually

961
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: care about that. I just wanted you to be honest

962
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: with me. I Yeah, I really liked that too, because

963
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: I honestly was like the way that they were setting

964
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: her up where they were like, you know, she's kind

965
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: of this. I mean, they're you know, their vibe is

966
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: like upper middle class assholes. But yeah, it's like that

967
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: that is a cool subversion where it's it's and and

968
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: again it's I feel like, you know, in the same

969
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: way that I'm like, I totally understand why Mandy is

970
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: so frustrated with Gas, you can also see why Linda

971
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: is so hurt by this because and also and and

972
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: and again where both sides of this conflict like they're

973
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: just both prisoners to this like his toxic masculinity that

974
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: he's been taking in his whole life, and it's affecting

975
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 1: everyone so negatively. Oh it makes me and and and

976
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to not feel for Gerald in a way

977
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: to where it's like, yeah, you're being a absolute fool

978
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: about how you're dealing with this. Talk to bottom, talk

979
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: to your wife. But like that concept of yeah, just

980
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: being defined by your ability to provide and and not

981
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: being able to provide connected to just like complete emasculation

982
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: in a way that I'm just I mean, like every movie,

983
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, therapy, therapy would fix, would fix

984
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: a lot of these issues. Um, another movie where all

985
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: of these characters need to be in therapy, including ethan Um. Yes, uh,

986
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I liked that's right. And also just like them,

987
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, Gerald being like, well, you know, she's used

988
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: to a standard of living and I don't want to

989
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: ask her to have to compromise, which I don't know.

990
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: That was just giving me like major O eight recession vibes. Um,

991
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, like he would rather go into debt than

992
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: admit that his financial status has changed, Like he would

993
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: rather sever the most important relationship in his life than

994
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: admit that, you know, a situation out of his control

995
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: is affecting his family. And it's like, come on, man,

996
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: but you also understand where it all comes from, right,

997
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: It's not happening in a vacuum. Gerald. It also makes

998
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: you wonder, how does Linda not know that the factory

999
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: closed down six months ago? Like wouldn't that have been

1000
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: like in the newspaper, wouldn't people be talking about it

1001
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: that I had that question also, but I'm like, maybe

1002
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: he was like just like, oh, I'm working somewhere else

1003
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: dot dot dot think he got a different job. I know.

1004
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: I was just like, I wish that had been clarified

1005
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: because otherwise it just makes her seem like completely oblivious

1006
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, where where were you for the

1007
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: last six months, Linda. Um. The other thing with Gerald

1008
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: is that we learn a bit later on in the

1009
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: movie that he's experiencing a situation where he gets unexpected erections.

1010
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what the medical term for this is,

1011
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: I can't help. And this is something that he like

1012
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: confides in to Dave. But because Dave he's experiencing impotency, Yeah,

1013
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: they're not seeing eye to eye on it. He's like, I,

1014
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: you're talking to the wrong man, right, Um. So he

1015
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: also he kind of dismisses Gerald after Gerald had dismissed

1016
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: Dave for like being insecure about his weight, and then

1017
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: the other members of the group. I guess he confides

1018
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: in them or they find out about it in some

1019
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: way and they're like it's this thing where they're like

1020
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: trying to be supportive because they're like, oh, well, what

1021
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: if like think about boring things and then you like

1022
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: won't get an erection. But then they also tease him

1023
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: about it, and I don't know how to feel about

1024
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: that because I was like, oh, well, they shouldn't be

1025
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: teasing him, but this is how I don't know, Like

1026
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like, that's another through line that this

1027
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: movie touches on, I think, with four different characters where

1028
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: it's like some sort of self definition by if not

1029
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: your penis's size, what your penis is doing in its

1030
01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: spare time, its leisure hours, etcetera. Um, and and it honestly,

1031
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: like I know that it's imperfectly done. I don't feel

1032
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: qualified to get even like incredibly specific with how um,

1033
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: but but I do. Yeah, it's I kind of wonder

1034
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: I for uh, for our listeners that have some insight here.

1035
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: I guess it's like I I viewed the way that

1036
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: not in all situations, but in some situations, it's like

1037
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: these men can only communicate by like sort of making

1038
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: a joke out of everything, and like they clearly it's

1039
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: really hard for them to have a straight discussion because

1040
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: as we see from how all their relationships are, they

1041
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: cannot communicate with anybody until it's like an absolute breaking point,

1042
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: like they their life has to be almost destroyed before

1043
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: they'll communicate, And so I sort of view that as

1044
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: like an extension of that of like they're teasing each

1045
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: other instead of talking about it, but through easy each other,

1046
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: they're trying to talk about it, but it's not really

1047
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: like it's a very imperfect approach, I don't know, being real,

1048
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: real straight guys some of them. And then that might

1049
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: bring us to Lamper and or guy. So Lumper is

1050
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: I think like the third character to join the group.

1051
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: He's the one who they stop like an active suicide

1052
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: attempt um. The aftermath of that is again like a

1053
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: very like they're joking with him about the like the

1054
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: other ways that he could have attempted suicide, yeah, which

1055
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: is which is like, I don't know, I don't hate

1056
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: the way it's written that they trying to talk him down.

1057
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: They also clearly have no idea how to talk about this. Yeah,

1058
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: And then it it ends with him saying like, well,

1059
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't have any friends, and they're like, well, how

1060
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 1: could you tell us that we're not your friends? You know,

1061
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: we just saved your life, and he's like really that

1062
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 1: little smile where he's like oh, oh, I know it's

1063
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: it's it's very sweet. It's very sweet. Yeah. And then

1064
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: and then a little bit later, I don't know if

1065
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: you caught this, but Gas is saying, he's like, yeah,

1066
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: I roped him into the group because this could be

1067
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 1: good therapy for him. Yes, yes, that was very sweet.

1068
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you know, real therapy would be

1069
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: good therapy for him, but um, if that's not available.

1070
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: But we also it's like it it were, you know,

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: in a in a very low income area, it's very

1072
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: likely that that would not be made available on top

1073
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: of the stigma. Although they're in England, so maybe they

1074
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: do have more access to things. I don't really know.

1075
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't really know. English listeners help us out here. Yeah,

1076
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: and then for long or it's revealed that he is

1077
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: gay or queer. He's attracted to men, which guy also is.

1078
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: Because they have that moment when they're like running away

1079
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: from the dress rehearsal and they are like very close

1080
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: and they're face to face and they have their vibing.

1081
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: You're like, let's have three movies of this, right. The

1082
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: only other thing, the only other part of this very

1083
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: minimal storyline is a few scenes later when Lamper's mother

1084
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: has passed away and they're at her funeral, and we

1085
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: see a very tiny glimpse of the two of them

1086
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: holding hands, which then Gas and Dave notice and comment on,

1087
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, they're just kind of surprised and

1088
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: it was unexpected for them. And then Dave says a

1089
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: very like Northern England expression, there's not as queer as folk,

1090
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, which doesn't specifically is not specifically

1091
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: about queer people. It's just means like, there's nothing as

1092
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,520
Speaker 1: strange as people. But then he like kind of realizes

1093
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: the double on tenda of what he said, and then

1094
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: they start laughing. They're cracking up at the funeral. At

1095
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: the funeral, right, So I guess my main thing here

1096
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: is that I just really would have liked to see

1097
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: more of this storyline. It gets so breezed past, and

1098
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: we don't really learn anything about them as a couple

1099
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,560
Speaker 1: except for just the very those two tiny little glimpses.

1100
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: It's freustra and it's so it's so seven and unfortunately

1101
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of like best case scenario where the fact that

1102
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: they are interested in each other and that they like

1103
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,520
Speaker 1: seemed to be at the beginning of our relation sationship

1104
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: um is presented in a very you know, pretty matter

1105
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: of fact way, but it's so brief, and it's like,

1106
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: you know that if this were hederal relationship, that it

1107
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: would all of a sudden take over the entire plot

1108
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: in the way that had hedteral relationships that you barely

1109
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: know anything about consume the plot entirely in in many movies, it's,

1110
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of going for scraps here. I

1111
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: do appreciate that it passed queer coding, and you know,

1112
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: explicitly we're like, these are these are queer characters, but

1113
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know of like I feel like,

1114
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: of all the issues that are like reference, but only

1115
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: like in a very surface, scratchy sort of way. This

1116
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: this was one of the big ones. But that said,

1117
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: what is there? I think it's very sweet and I'm

1118
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for them, ing for them too, But yeah,

1119
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: the movie spends more screen time on Dave and Gaz's

1120
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: reaction to learning this information than it does on the

1121
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: relationship itself, which I guess like and again, this is

1122
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: extremely bare minimum for them to for Gaz to have

1123
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: said homophobic things prior to that, but generally seemed to

1124
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: be accepting of this relationship is like again bare minimum,

1125
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: but this is yeah, I mean, it does seem like

1126
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 1: this whole movie to an extent, is a journey of

1127
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: bare minimum acceptance narratives where it's like, oh, I'm not

1128
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: going to mock my friend's body anymore. I'm not going

1129
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: to make casually homophobic comments about whomever, Like I'm not

1130
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: going to assume the worst in and like objectify every

1131
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: woman who walks into my path, like it's like the

1132
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: bar is on the floor. But yeah, I mean, but

1133
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: you're totally right, is like harping on the reaction versus

1134
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: like there's just there's room there was And I'm not

1135
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: even asking for, you know, this relationship to take over

1136
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: the movie. That wouldn't make sense. But it's like, can

1137
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: we have a scene with the two of them? Can

1138
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: we have a scene with the two of them? Especially

1139
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: because according to our favorite scholarly journal Wikipedia, the original

1140
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: cut of the movie came in under ninety minutes, so

1141
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: they went back and re shot, like shot some new scenes,

1142
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: like new scenes were like written into the movie. For example,

1143
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: the the scene where they're like doing an exercise montage

1144
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: and then they're like playing soccer that was shot later.

1145
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: Well that makes sense and really long, and I didn't

1146
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: know why I was there. It's unnecessary. And if you notice,

1147
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: Robert Carlyle is not in that scene, those scenes because

1148
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: he was like filming other stuff, because this was after

1149
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: like principal photography on this movie and he wasn't available,

1150
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: so double frustrating. So there was like there was room,

1151
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: explicitly room for this relationship to be explored further, and

1152
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: the choice was simply made to not annoying. I don't like. Wow,

1153
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: now that I know that, I'm triple annoyed. Yeah, but

1154
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: I like what's there. But but it's barely there. It's

1155
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: barely there, and it's you know, I kind of added

1156
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: in towards the end, and then you see a referenced

1157
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: in two scenes and then it's you know, we we

1158
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: spend and I'm not even saying it's a bad thing

1159
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: that we spend a lot of time with Dave and

1160
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: his wife, and we spend a lot of time with

1161
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: Gas and Mandy, but it's like, let's uh spread the

1162
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: love around movie, come on. And then the final character

1163
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: is horse to discuss, so the thing that he is

1164
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: dealing with is that he is insecure about his penis size,

1165
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: which again is another just sort of byproduct of the

1166
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: patriarchal society that we live in, this toxic standard of masculinity.

1167
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: We talked about this on a recent episode on be

1168
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: Dazzled of All movies about society's obsession with penis size

1169
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:18,440
Speaker 1: and penis function. I suppose the idea is obsessed with penises,

1170
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: and it's like, um, we as a society must grow

1171
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: up on this. Really it's hurting people, it is, yeah,

1172
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: because there's this idea that, you know, you should measure

1173
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: a person's masculinity based on how big their penises and

1174
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: how it works. And it's like, it's very common still

1175
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: today to shame a person for having a small penis,

1176
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: or shame someone who's experiencing impotency or premature ejaculation, or

1177
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: any number of things. And four different characters in this

1178
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: movie their subplot or at least part of their subplot

1179
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: has something to do with something relating to their penis,

1180
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: which I feel like for the most part, this movie

1181
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: handles pretty well, like the just that it gets explored

1182
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: at all that these men feel this pressure to have

1183
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: a penis that like aligns with society's expectations, and they

1184
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: sentence feel the best sentence I've ever said. Um, you know,

1185
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: it starts to explore these, like, you know, toxic standards,

1186
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: and granted it doesn't dive very far into them. I

1187
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: think where the movie kind of fails here is that

1188
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: the character Guy, who I would argue we know the

1189
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: least about of all of these people. Yeah, all we

1190
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: know is that he is the lunchbox and that he

1191
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: readd Gerald La. I think that's all we know. And

1192
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: he gets brought into the group strictly based on the

1193
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: fact that he has a large penis, so they are

1194
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: valuing him. They think that he has something to bring

1195
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: to the table based on his penis size, and they're

1196
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: not doing that in a vacuum. But that said, like

1197
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a it's a loaded decision, yes,

1198
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: And then I'm kind of curious about Horse being the character,

1199
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: so he's insecure about what he perceives to be his

1200
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: small penis. Um He's also the only black character, and

1201
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: because there is a popular stereotype that black men have

1202
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 1: large penises, which of course is a very toxic stereotype

1203
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: because it's historically been used to over sexualized black men

1204
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: and to accuse them of being sexually aggressive. So the

1205
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: movie subverts this stereotype, and it also kind of makes

1206
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: me wonder, like, do as horse feel the pressure to

1207
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: have a bigger penis based on this stereotype? And it

1208
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: barely requires saying, but all of these stereotypes are completely

1209
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 1: erroneous and there and they're also you know, in Horses

1210
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: clearly having an effect on his self esteem based on

1211
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: these complete lies that are being you know, forced upon him.

1212
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: And it's kind of made a joke of in this movie,

1213
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: not in a way that I feel like it's aggressively

1214
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: punching down, but I do think that there was like

1215
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,719
Speaker 1: a little more room just in the way that there

1216
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: is more room to explore his character in general, there

1217
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: was more room to kind of directly interrogate that stereotype,

1218
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, where it's like referenced, but it's almost referenced

1219
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: as a given, rather than making it clear that it's

1220
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: like and this is total bullshit, you know, right, there's

1221
01:20:53,920 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: nothing there's like no explicit indication that that is what's

1222
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: being referenced. It's just sort of like the movie just

1223
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: sort of treats that is like this is probably common knowledge,

1224
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: the very wink wink way of addressing it. Yeah, you

1225
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: know in a movie that I think that does a

1226
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: lot well. That is like a stereotype that is referenced

1227
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: without being interrogated or explored in anyway. And it just

1228
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: feels like a kind of a clearly missed opportunity for sure.

1229
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: But because of how this story is set up, there's

1230
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: no one but white guys around to talk to um.

1231
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: The fact that we are having this conversation at all

1232
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: about like, the ambiguity of it makes it clear that

1233
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: the topic was not you know, made clear enough or

1234
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: adequately explored. And it's yeah, I it's I. I really

1235
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: like Horses character. And but he's you know, he's the

1236
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: only person of color in this group at all. He's

1237
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: certainly the only black man in this group. We see

1238
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:01,440
Speaker 1: his family in that really funny scene where like horses

1239
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:05,560
Speaker 1: Horses feel like they really um, they're they're very supportive

1240
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: of his endeavors. And they show up and we don't

1241
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: get to talk to them, we don't get to know

1242
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: who they are, Like they're the only black women in

1243
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: the movie, and they don't say anything, and we don't

1244
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: know who they are, and it's like I feel like

1245
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: this this is a really We've talked about this a

1246
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: bazillion times, particularly with nineties movies, but it is a

1247
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, very a persistent trope of you know, the

1248
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:34,440
Speaker 1: only person of color, you don't know that much about

1249
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: their background or their home life, like in the way

1250
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: that and and and I get that it's like, you know,

1251
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 1: we we don't see the lunchboxes home life. Uh, but

1252
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 1: but I do think that that it's like again because

1253
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: we fully know that there are there is room to

1254
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: build out each and every one of these characters we've

1255
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: got the time, I think it's it's like it kind

1256
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: of sticks out that horses um home life, and his

1257
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: character isn't more fully fleshed out, and we don't get

1258
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: to explore it more. I was like really disappointed, not

1259
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: surprised with the fact that our only black character, we

1260
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: we he has an arc. He you know, it's not

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01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 1: like he has no story. He definitely does. And it's

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01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, comparable to the stories that the other men

1263
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: are going through, where he's like you know, going you know,

1264
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: navigating this um these toxic expectations and coming out on

1265
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,440
Speaker 1: the other side more confident and more satisfied with himself,

1266
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: but you don't get the whole aspect of it, which

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01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: I think you get for every character except for Horse

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01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: and what is his actual name? Guy? Literally his name

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01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 1: is Guy, which is why I keep I'm like, because

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01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: I keep wanted to say that guy, but because his

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01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: name is Guy. Um, Horse and Guy, you don't get

1272
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: that background. And I just feel like it would be

1273
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, it would benefit both of those characters, but

1274
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: particularly Hoarse, to to more fully explore what their background is,

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01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: where they're coming from. You know. It's like that the

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01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: four men we have the home lives of four white guys,

1277
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, no problem. Um. So it feels it feels pointed,

1278
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: and it feels just like his characters, you know, under

1279
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: underwritten in a way that you know, for me, I'm like,

1280
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't it makes no sense. Um. And Also, Paul

1281
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: Barber is such a fun character actor, and I just

1282
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: would have liked to like see him more like he's

1283
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: just he's just fun. He's so funny. This movie is

1284
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: so funny. It is, I know. So it's yeah, I mean,

1285
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 1: and and I wish I wish that that that his

1286
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: story was just more fully explored because the fact that

1287
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: we have this little to talk about, like, well, yeah, yeah,

1288
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 1: it's telling. Yes. Do you you have any other thoughts

1289
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: about the film? Um, I don't really think so. I

1290
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: think just in terms of, um, you know, it's I

1291
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: guess it will not really uh shock anybody to know

1292
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: that it's all you know, white men talk to bottom.

1293
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: In terms of production, I guess if it's actually there.

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01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: There there is a female composer and Dudley who was

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01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: nominated for an Academy Award for the score, which is

1296
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 1: interesting because I I feel like it's a jukebox movie,

1297
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: but she got dominated for her score, which I don't remember.

1298
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: There is Yeah, it's a lot of um the soundtrack. Well,

1299
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: first of all, the soundtrack is incredible. Um, there is

1300
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: some original score that is really good. And I believe,

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01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, she won the Academy Award. Did

1302
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:04,440
Speaker 1: she win for it? Yeah? One for Best Original Musical

1303
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: or Comedy Score. Weight Okay, I think this is a

1304
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: different category that I'm not sure actually still exists anymore

1305
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: for the Academy Awards. I'm not sure, but either way,

1306
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: shout out and Dudley. Shout out and Dudley. So there

1307
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: there was you know, a win there, but like, this

1308
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: movie was just I don't know, I think it's like,

1309
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: ultimately it speaks to like this movie is taking a

1310
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: really funny, interesting way of exploring really commonly explored topics

1311
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: that clearly people wanted to see discussed in a movie.

1312
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: Because it was so ridiculously successful. Um, it was the

1313
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 1: highest grossing film in the UK until it was outperformed

1314
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: by Titanic Feels Good, which, like, so it would have

1315
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: only been the highest grossing movie in the UK for

1316
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: a few months because Titanic came out a few months later. Look,

1317
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: I hope they enjoyed their brief but significant rain over

1318
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: the UK box office. It's such a fun movie, Like

1319
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: it's Yeah, if you haven't seen this movie, you really

1320
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 1: do yourself a favor. It's a blast. Yeah, it really is.

1321
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: And it's about I mean, we didn't talk too much

1322
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: about this, but like any movie that's about like that

1323
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: explores and I don't know, well, we've talked about some

1324
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: of the ways in which these friendships are maybe not

1325
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: the most healthy, but I think for the most part,

1326
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:42,440
Speaker 1: especially oh By, like it's the friends, the male friendships

1327
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: that are being explored in this movie are just really sweet,

1328
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: and I really like them and they clearly need it.

1329
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: It's I do think that this is like a great

1330
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: example of like the realism is it's you know, no

1331
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: one is in the space of what a couple weeks

1332
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: going to go from being entrenched in thirty five years

1333
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: of toxic masculinity to being like, now all my male

1334
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: friends and I are talking about our insecurities every day, Like,

1335
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: but you see the seeds of it, you see and

1336
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: it is I mean we've talked, yeah, like we've talked

1337
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: about this on the show before of just like not

1338
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: really an emphasis on like healthy friendships between men. It's

1339
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: just not something that's emphasized in I mean in society,

1340
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: but also in movies When and and and you see

1341
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: kind of the repercussions of that through like repression and

1342
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: pushing stuff down and not communicating how you're feeling. And

1343
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: then you see, you know, like through their friendships, they

1344
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: start to feel some relief, they start to see other perspectives,

1345
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,480
Speaker 1: They start to realize they're not alone in their insecurities

1346
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: and their worries that they thought were just so unique

1347
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: to them. It's beautiful, It's really this movie is really nice.

1348
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I like it's much they helped set each other free

1349
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: because they learned to be more open and honest. I

1350
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 1: love when the boys set each other free. It's so

1351
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: there's this is you know, we're we're We're not in

1352
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: the business of endorsing entirely where I'm not in the

1353
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: business of endorsing seven or six six or seven men

1354
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: on a poster ordinarily. But this movie really is an

1355
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: exception to the rule. It's true, it's great. Does it

1356
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel t I do not believe. So they're

1357
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: only scene where women interact with each other is that

1358
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,799
Speaker 1: bathroom scene towards the beginning, Jean and her two friends.

1359
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: They either talk about Dave or this guy named Frank.

1360
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: Most of the time there's like a couple of stray

1361
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: exchanges that like technically would pass, except that we don't

1362
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: learn the friends names. I do not believe, and they're

1363
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: also not characters who ever show up again. So I

1364
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: would say that that's not a pass as far as

1365
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: our nipple scale, and which we rate the movie on

1366
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: a scale of zero to five nipples based on an

1367
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,759
Speaker 1: examination of intersectional feminism. So while this is a story

1368
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: that centers men and where women are like the side

1369
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 1: like his wife characters or his ex wife characters. Um.

1370
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: Even so, because this is a movie that by and

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01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: large explores what toxic standards of masculinity due to men,

1372
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:42,679
Speaker 1: how they affect men negatively, and how the men are

1373
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: once they sort of start to set them like to

1374
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: try to cast those standards aside and like set themselves

1375
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: free of those standards, do they become happier and more successful? Um?

1376
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: And people are celebrating them to like at that at

1377
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: the end. I don't think we mentioned this yet, but yeah,

1378
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: like at the end to like see the boys all

1379
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 1: like comfortable in their own bodies and their whole families

1380
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: are like, yes, my confident family member, Like is it, oh,

1381
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: you know, if you put yourself in the position of

1382
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: like looking at I don't know. I'm like, what I

1383
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: want to see my dad in this kind of show. No,

1384
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: but I appreciate the sentiment. Horses family, I think they're

1385
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: they're right at the end, they're there. I imagine they're

1386
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: covering their eyes whenever, or they're just like not looking

1387
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: horses direction. Also, Nathan is there. Nathan probably really just

1388
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't be there around for most of this movie. Um.

1389
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: But but with all that in mind. Um. It's a

1390
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 1: story about men who are products of their environment, who

1391
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: feel emasculated because of the circumstances and because of this

1392
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: patriarchal society that they live in, that start to learn

1393
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: to embrace other standards and to embrace healthier options. So

1394
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm going to give this movie this

1395
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: is too high. Okay, I'm gonna give it three nibbles.

1396
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: I was going to do that as well. And it's

1397
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: your birthday, so it's my birthday, and I love this movie,

1398
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:31,799
Speaker 1: so I can do whatever I want. Damn good movie.

1399
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: It's so good. It's so funny, I really And while

1400
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: the characters do say some aggressive things that are homophobic

1401
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: and misogynist, I feel like there's a difference between the

1402
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: characters being that way and the movie also subscribing to

1403
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: that ideology where a lot of movies, especially from this era,

1404
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: the jokes that are being made by the movie are

1405
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: like punching down. I don't feel like the movie is

1406
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: doing this. The movie isn't menching down. I care that

1407
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: they're supposed to look ridiculous when they say these things,

1408
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: and and and wrong, I hope, but at least that's

1409
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 1: how I view it. And especially because so much of

1410
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: comedy from this era, and most of like comedy movies

1411
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 1: from every decade, we're so reliant on punching down and

1412
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: making jokes that were homophobic, racist, sexist, transphobic, ablest, you

1413
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: name it. This movie avoids that for the most part,

1414
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. So, yeah, three nipples. I'll give

1415
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 1: one to horses family. Hell yeah, I will give one

1416
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: too Mandy, who I have more of an appreciation for

1417
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: than I did as a younger person. And I'll give

1418
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: one nipple to the woman who peas on the wall

1419
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 1: while standing up incredible. Yeah, I'll also go with with

1420
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:08,560
Speaker 1: a three here. I think that it is a very

1421
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: rare movie that is able to acknowledge toxic masculinity without

1422
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: endorsing it like that is such a difficult line to toe,

1423
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: and I feel like it ordinarily fails pretty spectacularly. But

1424
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't hear like I like you're like you were

1425
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 1: saying it is, I feel like that you understand. It's

1426
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: interesting to see very flawed male characters presented with empathy

1427
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: but also not endorsing what their behaviors and clearly demonstrating

1428
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 1: through the plot and through their arts and through how

1429
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: their behaviors affect their relationships, that this is not the

1430
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: way to live. I just I it's so well written.

1431
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: It blows my mind. I was like, how did man,

1432
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: you know you hand it? You gotta hand it to

1433
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 1: them every once in a while. Um. I mean, I

1434
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: do think that the two characters that you neglect to

1435
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: um create a meaningful home life and backstory. For being

1436
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: your only black protagonist and one of your only queer

1437
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: characters is uh, perhaps let's say, a bit glaring when

1438
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: we are definitely focusing on the home lives of the

1439
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: straight white guys. No problem. That is just very and

1440
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: um annoying, especially because we know there's room for it. Um. However,

1441
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 1: I just think it is. It is a very well

1442
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: crafted story about men working through their ship and also

1443
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 1: working through their ship together you know, and it and

1444
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: learning to communicate with each other, with their partners with

1445
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, and and and how learning how to communicate.

1446
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 1: Even though it does not lift them out of poverty,

1447
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: even though it does not solve the systemic problems, it

1448
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: does give them more peace and it gives and it's like,

1449
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I like I like when stories and

1450
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: just in general and people ask themselves like, are you know,

1451
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's it doesn't end perfectly. You

1452
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: know that this one show isn't going to lift them

1453
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: all out of solve Solving Industrial unless it does. But like,

1454
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, there, there is there, all are all these

1455
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: things out of their control, and there are these things

1456
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,759
Speaker 1: that are within their control, and it's they're just parsing

1457
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: that out throughout the movie and it's just it's really

1458
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: cool to watch. Yes, Happy birthday, Thank you. I love

1459
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: you so much. I've got your gift and I'm not

1460
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: going to show. I was like, I'm not gonna give

1461
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 1: it to you on camera. That would be very you know,

1462
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: we need to have our interior life. But um, but

1463
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: happy birthday. You're the best. Thank you, Thank you. I

1464
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:03,719
Speaker 1: love you, Jamie, I love you too well everyone, and

1465
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: a and a happy birthday to you all. Um. You

1466
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: know the stuff. By now follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: Hey for my birthday. Here's what you can do, listeners,

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Speaker 1: give us a five star nipple rating on Apple Podcasts

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Speaker 1: or wherever you are able to rate podcasts. It's a

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Speaker 1: nice thing to do. If you like the show. If

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Speaker 1: you don't like the show, keep it to yourself. It

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Speaker 1: would it would be such a nice birthday gift if

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Speaker 1: you gave me five nipples. Um, if you've got five dollars,

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Speaker 1: you can put that toward a Matreon subscription, always an

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Speaker 1: option that. There's also merch at t public dot com,

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Speaker 1: slash the Bechtel Cast and um yeah, Jamie. Now it's

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Speaker 1: time for us to prepare for our live show in

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Speaker 1: which you'll see her. I don't know when it is,

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Speaker 1: and you might see your butts. Bye bye bye