Speaker 1: Right, So I've got some good news and bad news
Speaker 1: for you. The good news is we've got will Caine.
Speaker 1: We had an awesome discussion about a bunch of different
Speaker 1: things life COVID Joe Biden governor to Santis. Is brilliant
Speaker 1: move of sending the illegal immigrants to Martha's vineyard and
Speaker 1: then watching these frauds show themselves to be the frauds
Speaker 1: that they are. So awesome discussion, funny, lively, just really amazing.
Speaker 1: I walked away being like, gosh, that was an awesome interview.
Speaker 1: Awesome interview with Wolcaneo Less. He's a great guys on
Speaker 1: Fox News. You know him. He's a co host of
Speaker 1: Fox and Friends Weekend. Before that he was at ESPN.
Speaker 1: He had a radio show there as well, called The
Speaker 1: Wilcaine Show, which makes sense because his name is wilkane uh.
Speaker 1: And then before that he was also on stun In
Speaker 1: for a little bit of time. God bless him for that, right,
Speaker 1: But takes a lot of courage and also patience to
Speaker 1: be on a network like that. So he's an awesome guy.
Speaker 1: So it was an awesome conversation, amazing, really really like
Speaker 1: one of the best. And then guess what happened. This
Speaker 1: is what the bad news kick said. So somehow we
Speaker 1: had a technical glitch the podcast system that we used
Speaker 1: to record everything. It recorded what he had to say,
Speaker 1: but not what I had to say. Now the good
Speaker 1: news is what he had to say. It was so
Speaker 1: good that we're keeping the interview. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: scrap it. I didn't want to can it. But I
Speaker 1: also wanted to be honest with you, guys. I don't
Speaker 1: want to b su. It's a whole point of this
Speaker 1: freaking podcast is being honest with you and just saying
Speaker 1: it how it is. So that's what happened. So what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do is I mean to give you kind
Speaker 1: of a guided tour. You know, maybe like Disney will
Speaker 1: approach me for some voiceover work after this or something,
Speaker 1: but I'm just kidding. That's not gonna happen. Also, they're
Speaker 1: a terrible company, so I don't really wonder from I mean,
Speaker 1: not like it's gonna happen. But anyway, stay suff But
Speaker 1: so point big is basically just going to try to
Speaker 1: walk you through this interview. It's still good, it's still
Speaker 1: worth listening to. Wilcaine makes amazing points. The guys awesome.
Speaker 1: So here's the interview with Wilcaine. So, Will Caine, I
Speaker 1: appreciate I was on your podcast recently, so I feel
Speaker 1: like we're doing a tag team here. I love it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you were awesome on my podcast last week. I hope
Speaker 1: I can live up to the expectations in the example
Speaker 1: set this week. Oh you, well, we'll see. I was
Speaker 1: telling you on your podcast. What I really appreciate. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's so much cowardice in the media these days,
Speaker 1: and you're not and you always say how you feel,
Speaker 1: and you're always honest about things, and I feel like
Speaker 1: there's just so much self censorship that goes on and
Speaker 1: people are just afraid to say what is true. And
Speaker 1: I think and part of that is because what we
Speaker 1: see with big tech and all the censorship that goes
Speaker 1: on there, which is obviously coming from the White House,
Speaker 1: but we do it to ourself. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of people in the media do it to themselves. I
Speaker 1: feel like, oh yeah, self censorship is the most insidious
Speaker 1: form of censorship, you know. Um, I appreciate that compliment
Speaker 1: that I somehow don't do so or I go forth bravely,
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you I'll tell you maybe where that
Speaker 1: comes from, but also ask you a question on the
Speaker 1: back end. You know, most of my career, Lisa, I
Speaker 1: have been not with an organization like Fox I've been.
Speaker 1: I was at CNN for several years, and then I
Speaker 1: spent five years at ESPN. So I was constantly surrounded
Speaker 1: by people who disagreed with me, and I actually think
Speaker 1: on most of those occasions, my position was actually the
Speaker 1: one that was more mainstream, that was more popular. It
Speaker 1: was just quiet, and I saw so many people sensor
Speaker 1: them spells, particularly at ESPN, because they were worried about
Speaker 1: the backlash on social media or this percepnce they wouldn't
Speaker 1: be liked. I just never worried about that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, this is what I think.
Speaker 1: Can I actually think a lot of people agree with me.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask Will about the point I
Speaker 1: made earlier about the fact that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: cowardice and media. Why is there so much group think?
Speaker 1: Why why are people so afraid to speak their mind today?
Speaker 1: Listen to what he had to say. Yeah, So what
Speaker 1: we're looking at today is this convergence of like people
Speaker 1: are calling it whatever, mass formation psychosis, right, which is
Speaker 1: I think a fancy term for like overwhelming group think.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right. I mean we're looking at a
Speaker 1: massive amount of overwhelming group think, which is supported by
Speaker 1: you know, appeals to authority. Who are you to know?
Speaker 1: How do you know? Are you a doctor? Do you
Speaker 1: work for the CDC? Whatever? It may be, Right, it's
Speaker 1: just all designed to shut down any torp sort of independence.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, it's not it's it's the
Speaker 1: main thing is it's just asking you not to be
Speaker 1: a critical thinker, and that's not something I'm willing to do.
Speaker 1: So Basically, when I do these, I'm always looking up
Speaker 1: information about people, trying to figure out is there anything
Speaker 1: interesting about their background that people might not know. So
Speaker 1: one thing that I discovered when looking up information about
Speaker 1: well one, I didn't know he was an attorney before
Speaker 1: this interview. And then secondly, he actually worked on a
Speaker 1: ranch in Montana after law school. Listen, yeah, both of
Speaker 1: those things are true. I might be more proud of
Speaker 1: one than the other. You know, the ranch experience on
Speaker 1: my resume is a better conversational topic at parties than
Speaker 1: he's going to law school, because everybody goes to law school, right,
Speaker 1: what is that? Um? You know, law schools like this
Speaker 1: default path in life for people who don't know what
Speaker 1: they want to do after college. But I actually, by
Speaker 1: the way, I really loved law school. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I learned more in three years at
Speaker 1: law school than I learned in four years of college.
Speaker 1: And the main thing I learned how to do is
Speaker 1: to organize my thoughts. And um, I don't know. And
Speaker 1: I went to law school University of Texas, and I
Speaker 1: lived in Austin, and it was a damn good time.
Speaker 1: And it's perfectly my style. It's perfectly my style as well,
Speaker 1: at least at UT law, where it's like one test
Speaker 1: per class per semester. You're not gonna be bogged down
Speaker 1: with busy work. That's good for me, you know. So
Speaker 1: I could have a really good time on sixth Street
Speaker 1: or four Street or wherever it was at that night
Speaker 1: in Austin. But for a month at the end of
Speaker 1: the semester, I had to buckle down the library and
Speaker 1: figure out exactly what this whole thing was about. Um.
Speaker 1: But the ranch. Yeah, I lived in Montana. After law
Speaker 1: schoo I moved to Montana. I worked on a ranch.
Speaker 1: We were primarily a hunting outfitter. We had horses and mules,
Speaker 1: and we book trips for hunters that came in, mostly
Speaker 1: from out of state, to go hunt elk or sheep,
Speaker 1: rams um or moose or whatever it may be, mostly
Speaker 1: elk and deer, and it was an awesome experience in
Speaker 1: my life. I mean, one of the you know whatever,
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm done with this life, it will
Speaker 1: be something I look back on and think, what a
Speaker 1: what a year well spent. What's really sad is that
Speaker 1: I was telling him this epics story about how when
Speaker 1: I went to Jackson Hole with a couple of girlfriends,
Speaker 1: we hung out on a ranch U my a friend
Speaker 1: of a friend, knew some guys who owned the ranch.
Speaker 1: We ate elk, we had a camp fire. And then
Speaker 1: also I was telling him about this epic game of
Speaker 1: corn hole that I was playing where it was like hours,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of hours. I think it was
Speaker 1: like maybe three hours, or it was like this epic
Speaker 1: game eventually would And then we got in this whole
Speaker 1: conversation about if we're both competitive or which obviously I yeam.
Speaker 1: I grew up with three brothers, but to listen to
Speaker 1: what he had to say about that I am competitive,
Speaker 1: but there's levels to this. I'll tell you, Like I am.
Speaker 1: I've always thought of myself and I am I'm a
Speaker 1: competitive person. And you know, um, I have two brothers,
Speaker 1: I had a I have a best friend who's been
Speaker 1: my best friend since the age of one. And I
Speaker 1: mean it's like we were always together and really what
Speaker 1: that was was always on the verge of a fight
Speaker 1: because we were so competitive with one another. Um, so
Speaker 1: you kind of wonder where that comes from. My son's
Speaker 1: play soccer now, and like they're they're both competitive. My
Speaker 1: younger one, I've always thought it was like super competitive,
Speaker 1: but then the higher level he gets, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: you know the difference between you and the other boys,
Speaker 1: and like it's not skilled, it's not ability. It's like
Speaker 1: they will not accept any outcome but a win. They
Speaker 1: will cheat. They will play through the game like it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter the coach has to say, Okay, game over.
Speaker 1: They literally will not stop until they win. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find that, buddy. So I think
Speaker 1: of myself as competitive, but there are levels to this.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get will take about the sixty minutes
Speaker 1: interview with Joe Biden. Obviously, it's painful to have to
Speaker 1: sit through any interview listening to Joe Biden, because he's
Speaker 1: an idiot, and he's old and senile, and he's also evil.
Speaker 1: But so I wanted to ask him if he had
Speaker 1: watched that, and I teed up this clip for him,
Speaker 1: and then I asked him if he had watched and
Speaker 1: got his reaction on the club who today think about it?
Speaker 1: It's all personal attacks. It's about motive, it's not about
Speaker 1: I disagree on the on the subject matter. And secondly,
Speaker 1: I think that it's I think it's fair to say
Speaker 1: that we've not had a president like the last president
Speaker 1: who has made all but so personal. I've had six
Speaker 1: Republican senators I promised I'd never say their names and
Speaker 1: I won't come up to me in the last two
Speaker 1: years and said, Joe, I agree with you, but if
Speaker 1: I if I vote this way, it's gonna they're gonna primary,
Speaker 1: gonna lose an election. It didn't used to be that way,
Speaker 1: but it's coming back a little bit. This was the
Speaker 1: vice presidential candidate that said they're gonna put you all
Speaker 1: back in chains. Remember that he I don't know if
Speaker 1: this was when he was vice president of Canada under
Speaker 1: Barack Obama. Met Romney of all people, was running against him,
Speaker 1: and he was speaking to I don't remember which black organization,
Speaker 1: but he you know it on his his fake black accent,
Speaker 1: which is, how how do you get away with that?
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you get away with that? And
Speaker 1: then said they're gonna put you all back in chains.
Speaker 1: Like every everything he has done, let me make three points. One.
Speaker 1: Everything he has done has been to vilify his opponents.
Speaker 1: This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Our patients is
Speaker 1: running out with you. You are actually endangering the lives
Speaker 1: of your neighbors. Were now dealing with semi fascists. We're
Speaker 1: dealing with threats to democracy. Every point he has made,
Speaker 1: every position he has stood firm on, has been to
Speaker 1: vilify his opponent as a person, not an idea or
Speaker 1: a platform. Two. I hate this idea, Like Scott Pelley
Speaker 1: is sitting there talking to him about you know, the
Speaker 1: way it used to be, and and there's this vein
Speaker 1: of acceptability right, And for some reason, democratic policies and
Speaker 1: democratic politicians get to commander what is popularly accepted to
Speaker 1: be the middle. No matter what they do. They're kind
Speaker 1: of in the middle, outside of the ao c s
Speaker 1: of the world right there in the middle. And in
Speaker 1: Republicans who oppose that middle, well, they're radical. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what the sentiments of the country is, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where you pulled people on an issue. He is
Speaker 1: he is the acceptable moderate middle of American politics. How
Speaker 1: is that? Why? Why does he get to hold that space?
Speaker 1: And in third, this is tied into that conversation we
Speaker 1: just had. That space is increasingly commondeered by you know,
Speaker 1: radical thought, like what became mass formation psychosis or acceptable
Speaker 1: group think became get your kid vaxed regardless of the
Speaker 1: risk reward ratio or analysis, don't ask questions and just
Speaker 1: accept authority and or now it's whatever, like don't question
Speaker 1: your kid's choice and use and pronouns, or even take
Speaker 1: him to the doctor and begin to start hormone blockers.
Speaker 1: That ground of acceptability is increasingly radical. So I don't
Speaker 1: even understand why we're sitting here today and Joe Biden
Speaker 1: gets to comment on what moderation is another part for
Speaker 1: him Joe Biden's interview, as he said that the pandemic
Speaker 1: is over, which is probably news to the military heroes
Speaker 1: who were kicked out because they didn't want to get
Speaker 1: the vaccine news to people who are still being punished
Speaker 1: and are still fighting for their jobs employees across America
Speaker 1: for a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread for a virus,
Speaker 1: and a pandemic that is allegedly over according to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask, will, has any of this
Speaker 1: ever actually been about a pandemic in the first place? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean I think they've answered their
Speaker 1: question with none. We're approaching a midterm election. It's more
Speaker 1: advantageous to declare victory to declare the pandemic, because over
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, Joe Biden, against all Science, was wearing
Speaker 1: a mask outdoors two weeks ago while getting off his helicopter.
Speaker 1: At the same time, as you point out, there are
Speaker 1: policies in place that people are losing their jobs. Military teachers,
Speaker 1: they're right now losing the jobs because their choice, and
Speaker 1: not what do we do. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: it means to be vaccinated. I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what that means. So, I mean, literally, what does that mean? Um?
Speaker 1: So they they haven't gotten their updated booster, the latest
Speaker 1: issue of the booster. I don't know what. They're losing
Speaker 1: their jobs and he's declaring the pandemic is over. Um,
Speaker 1: that's man, what what a what a you know epidemic?
Speaker 1: He you launched on people's lives of depression and unemployment
Speaker 1: and purposelessness in order to achieve political ends. And I
Speaker 1: pointed out that it's infuriating that no one's being punished,
Speaker 1: that there's no retribution, that the people who have suffered
Speaker 1: so greatly at the hands of people like Dr Fauci,
Speaker 1: When are they going to get what to do go
Speaker 1: to them? When when are they going to get answers?
Speaker 1: And and what are the people who made them suffer
Speaker 1: going to punish? To be punished? You know, the lockdown
Speaker 1: didn't work, The vaccines didn't work. None of the promises
Speaker 1: these people made came to fruition. They were wrong about everything.
Speaker 1: Yet people's lives were destroyed, their businesses were destroyed, people
Speaker 1: killed themselves. We had suicides, overdoses, de layed care. We
Speaker 1: still don't know the full effect of all of these
Speaker 1: policies on people's lives and still suffering right like inflation
Speaker 1: is still out of control because in part because of
Speaker 1: broken supply chains and then because of exorbitant government spending.
Speaker 1: So inflation is still ravaging people's pocket books. People are
Speaker 1: still losing their jobs. And over the long term, UM,
Speaker 1: we will see what the cost was of forcing people
Speaker 1: who did not need to to get vaccinated. We don't
Speaker 1: know the long term effects. We'll find out. We're starting
Speaker 1: to get data, but um, they'll never be an accounting
Speaker 1: to that. You know, if we ever seen it that
Speaker 1: you know, I think you and I talked about this
Speaker 1: last week on the Will Came podcast. But you know,
Speaker 1: Fauci in the nineteen was nine says, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: vaccine for AIDS. I don't know, because we don't know
Speaker 1: what the long term effects are over five years, over
Speaker 1: ten years, over twenty years. He shows none of those
Speaker 1: same concerns over a COVID vaccine. So over five years
Speaker 1: and ten years and twenty years, we'll see that ongoing
Speaker 1: cost as well of these policies. So I love this
Speaker 1: response from Will. I wanted to get his take on
Speaker 1: Governor to Santa's brilliant move by sending the fifty illegal
Speaker 1: immigrants to Martha's Vineyard, which really exploited these frauds for
Speaker 1: the frauds that they are, and these so called sanctuary
Speaker 1: cities not wanting to provide sanctuary. Listen a lesson in compassion.
Speaker 1: My forty four hours with my Venezuelan loves Toyamo. I
Speaker 1: I can't get enough of this story. I mean, this
Speaker 1: story is everything to me. I'm bye bye saying payamo.
Speaker 1: I'm referencing this particular video and it's I love this
Speaker 1: video so much, leads, I hope you've seen it. But
Speaker 1: it's these ladies. It's all in the video. I think
Speaker 1: it's almost all ladies with these ladies. Um. I gathered
Speaker 1: around as the Venezuelan illegal immigrants load up on busses
Speaker 1: to be shipped off of Martha's vineyard, and these ladies
Speaker 1: are in their fashionable hats and their side ponytails and
Speaker 1: given double hand waves and and from the back, one
Speaker 1: of ladies yells tomoh, you know which is Spanish. I
Speaker 1: love you, um, you know, as we invoke the National
Speaker 1: Guard to ship you off of our island. We love you,
Speaker 1: but you got to go. Let's take a quick commercial
Speaker 1: break back with bocane on the other side. So, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw this headline from CNN
Speaker 1: about this forty our visit that the illegal immigrants were
Speaker 1: allowed to have in Martha's vineyard. But this is the headline.
Speaker 1: It says, they enriched US migrants forty four our visit
Speaker 1: leaves indelible mark on Martha's vineyard. Obviously, it's an epic headline, hilarious.
Speaker 1: CNN is trying to make it seem like, you know,
Speaker 1: these people were nice, home made diskin So I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys saw this CNN headline, but it
Speaker 1: says this they enriched US migrants forty four hour visit
Speaker 1: leaves indelible mark on Martha's vineyard. It starts off saying,
Speaker 1: after sharing hugs interior goodbyes with roughly fifty migrants who
Speaker 1: had arrived unexpectedly by playing on this affluent vacation island,
Speaker 1: the volunteers who sheltered them at an Episcopal church carried
Speaker 1: out tables and chairs, packed food onto trucks, and folded
Speaker 1: portable cots. So it continues to go in painting all
Speaker 1: the people in Martha's vineyard with a great light, despite
Speaker 1: the fact that they literally said they're a sanctuary city
Speaker 1: and then shipped these people right off to the military
Speaker 1: base and got rid of them as fast as they could.
Speaker 1: So I thought this headline was epic and hilarious, so
Speaker 1: obviously how to ask them about it? It's just so
Speaker 1: amazing they can teach us all a lesson in compassion?
Speaker 1: Can the rich denizens of Martha's Vineyard? Hey, and this
Speaker 1: this thing is so layered in deep and I think
Speaker 1: Tuckers did an amazing job last week laying this out.
Speaker 1: But in the end, we want to mock them, and
Speaker 1: we should mock them because they're shallow frauds, their virtues
Speaker 1: signaling frauds. However, they're not wrong to ship the Venezuelan
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants off of Martha's Vineyard at the end of
Speaker 1: their forty four hour stay. Um, they're not wrong to
Speaker 1: say this is our community and this is the vision
Speaker 1: of our community. The problem is, why do they not
Speaker 1: extend that same right and privilege to America. Why do
Speaker 1: they not extend that same right and privileged to Brownsville
Speaker 1: and Del Rio and Del Passo. We don't have the services,
Speaker 1: we don't have the infrastructure Martha's Vineyard. Yeah, well neither
Speaker 1: does Del Rio. And just because Del Rio is more
Speaker 1: middle class or Del Rio is. Oh my gosh, are
Speaker 1: we revealing some racism here? Del Rio is n Latino itself.
Speaker 1: It's more acceptable for you to ship them back to Texas,
Speaker 1: you know. I guess in in the days of Marie
Speaker 1: and try And it was let them eat cake in
Speaker 1: two in the days of Martha's Vineyards, just let them
Speaker 1: live in El Passo, I don't. I just let America
Speaker 1: have the same rights that you do in Martha's vineyard.
Speaker 1: Governor Rhonda Santas is obviously the best I have a
Speaker 1: florid in, so I'm biased, but he is America's governor,
Speaker 1: so I just asked him what he thought more broadly
Speaker 1: about this brilliant move from governor to Santas. Really well played.
Speaker 1: He didn't just send them to a rich clave. He
Speaker 1: sent them to a rich enclave that's literally surrounded by water,
Speaker 1: so it has its own version of a border wall.
Speaker 1: It has an off season where of the homes remain vacant,
Speaker 1: so you don't really have a housing crisis east for
Speaker 1: the winter. These Venezuelans could have wintered on Martha's vineyard. Um,
Speaker 1: but okay, genius, and I'm a big fan as well
Speaker 1: of Martha's fingered, I mean Rhonda santis Um and never
Speaker 1: been to Martha's feard um. But we have to solve
Speaker 1: this problem, okay, And so he's done a great job
Speaker 1: of spotlighting the issue of exhibiting the hypocrisies. But we
Speaker 1: also have to ask our own Republican politicians to do
Speaker 1: everything in their own power to solve this problem. And
Speaker 1: that leads us to a conversation which just happened on
Speaker 1: Fox and Friends this weekend. We had the Lieutenant Governor
Speaker 1: Texas Stan Patrick on. And you know, there's a school
Speaker 1: of thought out there that these states and these governors
Speaker 1: can declare under constitutional authority on invasion, and if that's
Speaker 1: the case, they can remove illegal immigrants not across state
Speaker 1: lines to the likes of New York, Chicago, DC, or
Speaker 1: Martha's vineyard, but they can remove them back to their
Speaker 1: place of origin, back to Mexico. Now, it would it
Speaker 1: would domino a whole host of problems, Lisa, a constitutional crisis,
Speaker 1: maybe even federal law enforcement and local law enforcement squaring
Speaker 1: off against one another. But if we're serious about solving
Speaker 1: this issue, and we know that the Biden administration, Democrats
Speaker 1: will not, they will not solve it. Thus, you know, handcuffing.
Speaker 1: What we can do federally, we're gonna have to ask
Speaker 1: our state politicians to do everything under their power. So
Speaker 1: we've got people coming in from around the world because
Speaker 1: we have an open border, So why wouldn't they We're
Speaker 1: not even a sovereign nation anymore. We have no idea
Speaker 1: who we're letting in. We brought a bunch of Afghans
Speaker 1: into that we didn't thoroughly a vent. So how what
Speaker 1: risks to a terror threat are we as a country?
Speaker 1: And also if you saw the article and brape Art recently,
Speaker 1: apparently Maduro and Venezuela is letting out prisoners and having
Speaker 1: them come to the United States. Well, we've already seen
Speaker 1: that for sure. We've already seen increased in criminal activity,
Speaker 1: and that's terrifying. I saw that article as well, where
Speaker 1: Maduro's emptying the prisons and saying head north, um, and
Speaker 1: we've seen Venezuelans can make their way into the country,
Speaker 1: as can everybody, as could you know, terrorists from Iran.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a wide open border. It's not
Speaker 1: hard to cross, and then it's not hard to stay.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the latest numbers on how many known terrorists,
Speaker 1: people on the terror watch list have been encountered. I
Speaker 1: think it's fifty sixty somewhere in that range in the
Speaker 1: last fiscal year. And so we know this is a
Speaker 1: massive threat to our security um and clearly Madurou intends
Speaker 1: to make it a bigger threat. It's inevitable to your question,
Speaker 1: it is inevitable at some point that we will have
Speaker 1: a terrorist attack because of the the lack of enforcement
Speaker 1: of our southern border. And now, of course there's criminal
Speaker 1: investigations that are being launched into what governor to Santists did.
Speaker 1: You have some clown in Texas, some local sheriff there
Speaker 1: launching a chronal investigation into what governor to Santist did.
Speaker 1: You've got people like Gavin news Some calling for the
Speaker 1: FEDS to investigate. But I guess it wasn't human trafficking
Speaker 1: when it wasn't kidnapping when Joe Biden was loading these
Speaker 1: people up on planes and dropping them off in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night in Florida. I guess it wasn't
Speaker 1: kidnapping when Laurie Lightfoot put them on busses and sent
Speaker 1: them to the next neighborhood over. But it is when
Speaker 1: Governor run de Santis does it well, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: exactly right. An if they go after de Santis, then
Speaker 1: you have to go over there after the Republican governor
Speaker 1: Massachusetts who used the National Guard right to ship them
Speaker 1: from Martha's Vineyard to Cape cod wouldn't that be human
Speaker 1: trafficking for kidnapping or as you pointed out Lori lightfoot
Speaker 1: moving a llegal immigrants from one neighbor into another. Or
Speaker 1: the Democratic mayor of El Passo who sent something like
Speaker 1: fifty buses to to New York and d C in Chicago.
Speaker 1: This is what that reveals. Though it's also like they
Speaker 1: don't even focus on Greg Abbott. Actually they're focused only
Speaker 1: on Rhonda Santis, which just shows again it's all about
Speaker 1: politics taking him down because he's clearly the outside of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the front runner for the Republican nominee for president.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if if that weren't the motivation, they
Speaker 1: would focus more on Greg Abbott, but they're not because
Speaker 1: it's about politics. You know, there's another thing, there's another
Speaker 1: part of this that nobody really wants to talk about.
Speaker 1: Um talk about I guess bring brave to have a conversation.
Speaker 1: No one's willing to talk about. But um, it's not
Speaker 1: just a threat to our national security, it's a threat.
Speaker 1: It's an existential threat to the United States of America.
Speaker 1: In this way, you have unfettered flow of people from
Speaker 1: across the world who we extend all empathy and understanding
Speaker 1: to their personal plight, bring with them the culture of
Speaker 1: where they come from where they come. And there's a
Speaker 1: new book coming out. I just saw this about this. Um,
Speaker 1: I forget it. I'm forgetting the name of the book
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. It comes out in November.
Speaker 1: But the premises that generations of of immigration reveal that
Speaker 1: people retain their culture of origin as opposed to assimilation
Speaker 1: and adoption of the culture of their new home. Okay,
Speaker 1: so America's a melting pot or whatever. We are by design,
Speaker 1: and the idea behind that is that we take the
Speaker 1: best of all cultures from immigrants, and then we are
Speaker 1: the sorting mechanism that makes the super strong culture by
Speaker 1: taking the best of everybody. But that is from the
Speaker 1: from its inception, that has been a calculation that we've
Speaker 1: had immigration quotas, we have a legal process all of
Speaker 1: that because yes, we want to we have a limited
Speaker 1: set of resources, and we can only accommodate so many
Speaker 1: at one time. But also because and people, this is
Speaker 1: what people don't want to accept. There is an American culture.
Speaker 1: We have a culture, a work ethic um, a Judeo
Speaker 1: Christian culture. We have all kinds of cultural traits embedded
Speaker 1: into what it means to be an American risk tolerance, entrepreneurialism,
Speaker 1: and that has led us to being the dominant culture
Speaker 1: on the planet. It's the one that puts man on
Speaker 1: the moon. And and that culture deserves to be not
Speaker 1: just respected, but to be retained. And when you have
Speaker 1: unfettered illegal immigration to megan encounters in this fiscal year,
Speaker 1: and that's again known encounters, what you do is you
Speaker 1: fundamentally change the culture of America. And somehow that's that's
Speaker 1: come off as that comes off as xenophobic or jingoistic
Speaker 1: or forbid racist, you know, the ultimate cudgel to shut
Speaker 1: down this conversation. But every culture is allowed to have
Speaker 1: pride in its own, its own way of life. Everyone
Speaker 1: is the French, you know, the Irish, um, the Jamaican culture.
Speaker 1: Everyone is allowed to have that conversation except for America, Like,
Speaker 1: we don't have a culture. And if we do. It's
Speaker 1: somehow supremacist or or wrong. We have a culture and
Speaker 1: we have to retain it. It happens to be the
Speaker 1: most successful culture on the planet. I wanted to play
Speaker 1: this clip from the interview. I did that. Hopefully you
Speaker 1: guys listened to with Maximo of theres about communism being
Speaker 1: in America. So I asked, well, I played the clip
Speaker 1: for will and then I wanted to hear what he
Speaker 1: had to think of. You know, how do you how
Speaker 1: do you see this? Shouldn't we listen to these people
Speaker 1: like Maximo who escaped communist Cuba, when he's warning us
Speaker 1: that communism is here and it has infiltrated all our institutions.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't we listen? We have a dictatorship and it's right
Speaker 1: now our eyes and people don't realize what is happening.
Speaker 1: Wake up, America. I'm telling you this because I saw
Speaker 1: it with my eyes. I saw how people are getting
Speaker 1: murdered just simply because they didn't smile at the regime.
Speaker 1: I saw how people get accused of being contract revolutionary.
Speaker 1: It's just because they said something against the revolution is
Speaker 1: happening here. These guys are telling you that we're the
Speaker 1: enemy because we are against freedom just because we don't
Speaker 1: agree with their policies, their stupid policies. By the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we should listen as well. You know, I've
Speaker 1: always had this, I've had this debate internally, Lisa, and
Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with friends, like how much of
Speaker 1: what's happening in America is coordinated? So you say, I
Speaker 1: think we're being overtaken with communism, And then I say, Okay,
Speaker 1: how many of the people that are driving this cultural
Speaker 1: and administrative and governmental shift in our country um overtly
Speaker 1: by into Marxism have read the Communist Manifesto, are truly
Speaker 1: adherents to communism? And I don't know the answer to
Speaker 1: that question. I think that there's sort of an autopilot
Speaker 1: of American culture and American governance. The in governance that
Speaker 1: autopilot is the administrative state. I think it scares me
Speaker 1: more than any particular politician, you know, it even scares
Speaker 1: me more than any particular political party. It's what remains
Speaker 1: when elections are won and lost. It's the FBI, the
Speaker 1: d o J, It's that level of bureaucracy in every organization,
Speaker 1: the CDC, the n i H. That really is the
Speaker 1: culture of American governance. They they drive us in one direction,
Speaker 1: and it's always in the direction of self empowerment, self justification,
Speaker 1: self empowerment um. And then I think culturally, we have
Speaker 1: found ourselves popular culture in a place where people are
Speaker 1: more entitled, um, you know, more victimized, less responsible, and
Speaker 1: that lends itself to sort of this cultural communism. If
Speaker 1: you have one group of people that have self justification
Speaker 1: for power, and you have another group of people who
Speaker 1: want to aggregate their own responsibility, you have a perfect
Speaker 1: cocktail for a society that resembles communism, whether or not
Speaker 1: it's there overtly or not. And so I think you
Speaker 1: end up in the same place. To answer my internal
Speaker 1: debate like is it a coordinated campaign? And by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not a coordinated campaign, because when
Speaker 1: I see government in big tech collude to censor, where
Speaker 1: I see the role of the communist Chinese Party at
Speaker 1: every levels of American society, I think there are definitely
Speaker 1: elements of coordination, but I'm not sure there's one particular
Speaker 1: ideology or one particular man behind the curtain. I'm more
Speaker 1: concerned that our entire machine is on autopilot in this
Speaker 1: direction that resembles communism. Robert Colly with the Trafalgar Group
Speaker 1: has been bringing attention to this new group of voters
Speaker 1: called submerged voters, of people who aren't putting stickers in
Speaker 1: their cars, signs of their yards, posting their opinions online,
Speaker 1: or even answering polls, and that this election is going
Speaker 1: to be a hard one to capture because of all this.
Speaker 1: So how does Will think the mid term elections are
Speaker 1: going to go down? I think Republicans are still gonna win.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win strongly in November, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that polls show that the whole thing is tightening up.
Speaker 1: And I guess most people attribute that tightening up to
Speaker 1: the Dobbs decision and to the focus on Donald Trump
Speaker 1: as opposed to inflation and rising crime and illegal immigration.
Speaker 1: But I still think despite all that, Republicans are gonna
Speaker 1: win and win big in November. Well, people tell the truth.
Speaker 1: Are people afraid? Have they been Has has the conversation
Speaker 1: been painted as you're either, you know, in this mainstream
Speaker 1: school of thought with lends itself to democratic politics, or
Speaker 1: you're a semi fascist and so have they accepted that's
Speaker 1: the paradigm. They have to be quiet, um, so they're
Speaker 1: not painted as a semi fascist. Maybe I think people
Speaker 1: have I think people there's still a dominant that there's
Speaker 1: still a dominant narrative that where we started this conversation.
Speaker 1: It allows the Scott Pelly's of the world to pretend
Speaker 1: that Joe Biden is in that dominant you know, channel
Speaker 1: of the river. Um, what's Here's what I would ask you,
Speaker 1: what's extreme about current Republicanism That what's extreme about Trump is? Um,
Speaker 1: what's extreme about the new Right? I think that's an
Speaker 1: interesting question because I can't think of a single thing,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Biden's gonna say they're semi fascist or
Speaker 1: threats to democracy. I would like to know, because then
Speaker 1: if I look at what the Republican Party has done
Speaker 1: under the influence of Donald Trump, I think it's moderated,
Speaker 1: like moderated greatly. It's positioned back towards the center on
Speaker 1: free trade, less libertarian, you know, far far you know,
Speaker 1: spectrum thought on unfettered free trade. Rising tide lifts all
Speaker 1: boats now more, a greater concern for populism in the
Speaker 1: middle class and the jobs of the middle class. Obviously,
Speaker 1: when it comes to China, understanding that that's not a
Speaker 1: free trade game. So moving moving. I think on gay marriage,
Speaker 1: for example, I don't know where it stands today, but
Speaker 1: over the last ten years certainly moderated. Donald Trump was
Speaker 1: pretty moderate on that. So I just keep like, immigration, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that wasn't an extreme position to say,
Speaker 1: well we ought to have borders and enforce those borders.
Speaker 1: That didn't used to be extreme. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what's actually extreme that's being described as extreme.
Speaker 1: If you want to say election denial, if that's what
Speaker 1: the answer ends up being, well, when you're fed, you know,
Speaker 1: five years worth of fake stories, you get to the
Speaker 1: into the book and you're like, should I believe the
Speaker 1: last chapter two? You know, I just don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what is extreme. Um, it seems like it's
Speaker 1: actually more independent, moderate than it's ever been before. Will
Speaker 1: came to Fox and Friends. He worked at ESPN, and
Speaker 1: he was probably, you know, one of the low conservative
Speaker 1: voices at the network. What was that like? Well, I
Speaker 1: loved it, actually, Um, I mean was it all great?
Speaker 1: But I know, you know, so I remember when Fox
Speaker 1: News was founded, there was this quote is by George
Speaker 1: will who I don't think likes Fox News now. But
Speaker 1: George will Um said Roger Ails found a wonderful niche
Speaker 1: when he founded Fox News half of America, which is
Speaker 1: a wonderful nite right. I was sitting there at ESPN, going,
Speaker 1: so let me get this straight. You guys are all
Speaker 1: adopting these radical positions and opinions and in saying them
Speaker 1: as though the country agrees with you on this, and
Speaker 1: you're just gonna let me have all the rest of it,
Speaker 1: Like by myself, I get to say say things and
Speaker 1: rational things and have this lane by myself. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is amazing. Um. But I mean, look at least
Speaker 1: I like debating people who disagree with me. I like
Speaker 1: hearing their points of view. I like having a relationships
Speaker 1: that are not strictly defined by politics. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't require that all of my personal relationships share
Speaker 1: my political opinions. And sports was a great a great
Speaker 1: vehicle from which people could come together and have a relationship. So,
Speaker 1: in other words, you know, whoever it may be, you
Speaker 1: know Marcus Spears he played for the Cowboys for a
Speaker 1: while and he was a commentary to ESPN I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very clear he disagrees with me on almost everything.
Speaker 1: But at the time I was there, that didn't stop
Speaker 1: us from then transitioning into like guy talk and sports
Speaker 1: talk and have a great time and have a great relation.
Speaker 1: I think life should be like that. I think politics
Speaker 1: should only be part of who you are. UM and
Speaker 1: I got to have those conversations on a consistent basis. Now,
Speaker 1: I will tell you there are I'm sure you know this,
Speaker 1: the left, the the people that have the opinions of
Speaker 1: those on the left don't agree with what I just said.
Speaker 1: They do not think that I can have my opinions
Speaker 1: and remain a good person, right, And therefore you can't
Speaker 1: socialize with Will. You can't be around Will. And there
Speaker 1: was some of that at ESPN, like I would walk
Speaker 1: the hallways and I and I don't want to be unfair.
Speaker 1: I made some guesses at the time about who might
Speaker 1: harbor those thoughts, but I certainly felt it to some degree,
Speaker 1: like there was some sentiment there of like there's that guy,
Speaker 1: you know. But for the people that I would confin,
Speaker 1: you know, interact with face to face, I loved it.
Speaker 1: I love the opportunity on first taken debate Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith and whatever else. Um. Yeah, for the most part,
Speaker 1: I loved it quick break back with Wilcane. So I've
Speaker 1: been finding myself having a hard time with big around Democrats,
Speaker 1: a big accepting of Democrats. I've never used to be
Speaker 1: like this. This really only happened recently, in part because
Speaker 1: I just don't know how anyone can listen to Joe
Speaker 1: Biden label seventy million people patriotic Americans as enemies of
Speaker 1: the state. I mean, if you're a Democrat and you
Speaker 1: have family members or friends who are Trump supporters, how
Speaker 1: how can you still support this guy? How can you
Speaker 1: sit by and sit back and think that what's going
Speaker 1: on in the country is okay. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: get Will's take about you know, what do you what
Speaker 1: do you think of that? Are you know, are you
Speaker 1: having trouble with this or how do you reconcile it?
Speaker 1: Or how do you you know, how do you kind
Speaker 1: of take a break from all this? You know, I
Speaker 1: lived in New York for fifteen years. I'm back in Texas,
Speaker 1: where I was born and raised, and I love so
Speaker 1: many of my New York friends. I think almost not
Speaker 1: all of them, but the vast majority of them disagreed
Speaker 1: with me. Um. One of the things that you have
Speaker 1: to like it's it's tough because I do think there
Speaker 1: is a sentiment within liberalism of personal judgment. And so
Speaker 1: you sit there and you go, well, how you're always
Speaker 1: assuming the worst of me? How can we be friends?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like I kind of feel like,
Speaker 1: are you questioning whatever your current thing is? Phobic of something?
Speaker 1: You know, racist, homophobic, transphobic or whatever. It's like there's
Speaker 1: this undercurrent sometimes of like you know, you're not saying
Speaker 1: it out loud, but I feel like you're privately judging.
Speaker 1: And that's not that sucks, Like always be around to
Speaker 1: feel like you know someone's not trusting who you are.
Speaker 1: They just happen to disagree with you. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: my friends all did that, but I do think that's
Speaker 1: a common thing and in that type of even to
Speaker 1: live in that type of place. And then you add
Speaker 1: on top of it this whole thing about your own
Speaker 1: personal health choices, right, and it becomes pretty untenable. But
Speaker 1: I do want to try my best. I want to
Speaker 1: always have friends. I just I don't want that to
Speaker 1: be my primary sorting mechanism for my friendships. I just
Speaker 1: I don't want that to be if if I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want politics. It's very important to me, like
Speaker 1: especially culturally, like who are we? Who are Americans? What's
Speaker 1: it mean to be a man? I'm raising two sons.
Speaker 1: All of these things very important to me. I don't
Speaker 1: want that to become personally for me. Well you have
Speaker 1: to vote this way or if you vote that way,
Speaker 1: then I can't explore those other aspects of you in
Speaker 1: what it means to be friends and share values. So
Speaker 1: it's telling well this story about how when I was
Speaker 1: in New York, I went to this restaurant outside and
Speaker 1: I wasn't wearing a mask because I'm not a crazy
Speaker 1: person and masks don't work, and they certainly don't work outside,
Speaker 1: nor is COVID really spread outside. So I walked up
Speaker 1: to this restaurant not wearing a mask. The hostess said
Speaker 1: you have to wear your mask, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: these people eating outside aren't wearing masks. And she was like,
Speaker 1: well there was either eating, to which I responded, you know,
Speaker 1: just so we're clear, you know that COVID like doesn't
Speaker 1: differentiate between oh you're eating you're a cool but you're
Speaker 1: standing I'm gonna get you. And I finally like, war
Speaker 1: I just because she was asking me, like please, it's
Speaker 1: my job, so I didn't want to, you know, get
Speaker 1: her in trouble or whatever. So I finally put off.
Speaker 1: But I was like, but just so we're clear, we
Speaker 1: know that this is all b s. And I was
Speaker 1: also telling a story about another dude in my building
Speaker 1: who always yells at everyone who doesn't wear a mask,
Speaker 1: which is most people that live here because we live
Speaker 1: in Florida, and again, we're not crazy, we're free. And
Speaker 1: this guy is always yelling at everyone. So I just
Speaker 1: turned him one day and I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: do you believe in the efficacy of masks? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: of course I do. That's why I wear one, to
Speaker 1: which I responded, then you should be fine. Leave us alone,
Speaker 1: little victory. Um. You know, I will say, we're see,
Speaker 1: we're It'll be interesting now that Joe Biden said the
Speaker 1: pandemic is over, but we're clearly like this is the
Speaker 1: end of the zombie movie and there's not many zombies
Speaker 1: left on the street, like they're people are waking up,
Speaker 1: or at least they're going back to some extent to
Speaker 1: their normal life. But because I travel so much at
Speaker 1: the airports or on the airplane or on the streets
Speaker 1: of New York, there are still people right walking around
Speaker 1: outside with with masks on. And one, the one that
Speaker 1: always blows my mind is with like cloth masks on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened to you? Like that? You didn't
Speaker 1: like every step of the way, you didn't get the
Speaker 1: memos right, so you're liking, You're like, in April, what
Speaker 1: are you doing with that cloth mask on? But what
Speaker 1: I'm really shocked by is sometimes it kind of feels
Speaker 1: often they're young, they're healthy, Like I've seen some, for example,
Speaker 1: some dudes that clearly work out and you're in good shape,
Speaker 1: and you're in your thirties maybe early thirties, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why are you wearing that mask? Like what now? And
Speaker 1: sometimes I think to myself, maybe to have a really
Speaker 1: serious health condition I'm not aware of. But more likely
Speaker 1: than not, where they are unhealthy at this point is
Speaker 1: in their minds. And so you're looking at the back
Speaker 1: to what we're some about earlier, like the cost of
Speaker 1: all of this nonsense. You're look at a lot of
Speaker 1: people who have really poisoned and lost their minds. So
Speaker 1: my mom always tells me that you don't always have
Speaker 1: to say everything you think, yet I still do it.
Speaker 1: But I was telling Will about that, and then I
Speaker 1: just also asked him, you know, he's a father, what's
Speaker 1: your favorite thing about being a dad? Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: answer that question, but I think that uh So, I'm
Speaker 1: a big believer that your greatest strength is your greatest weakness, right,
Speaker 1: So you just said that for yourself and your career,
Speaker 1: Like you you don't have to say every thought that
Speaker 1: comes to your mind, right, So it's it's your strength,
Speaker 1: it's also your weakness, right, So, like, I think every
Speaker 1: part of our personalities can be explained that way. So
Speaker 1: probably the same with fatherhood for me. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I love the process of helping these two
Speaker 1: young boys become men, Like I just love it, like
Speaker 1: and that's a little selfish because it's like, well, you're
Speaker 1: your favorite part of father That is like joy sticking
Speaker 1: them by teaching them lessons, giving them sermons, which I
Speaker 1: do way too much, Lisa, way too much, and I
Speaker 1: focus way too much on sports, not because I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna be professional athletes or Division one athletes or
Speaker 1: collegiate athletes, but because it's the perfect metaphor and vehicle
Speaker 1: to help them travel the path of what it is
Speaker 1: to be a man. And I just love it. This
Speaker 1: this one of my sons, and he had a great weekend.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's cool. I'm a little hesitant
Speaker 1: to share family stuff. I don't know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what the right amount is.
Speaker 1: But one of my sons had had a great weekend.
Speaker 1: He asked a girl to homecoming and he went to
Speaker 1: her house. He went to her house and you know,
Speaker 1: and he had to It's almost that now they do
Speaker 1: at least like a marriage proposal. It's insane, at least
Speaker 1: in Texas. You know, it's insane. Um. And he had
Speaker 1: a great sports weekend where just kind of like he
Speaker 1: woke up in so many ways and he saw the
Speaker 1: field and he played amazing. And um, I don't care
Speaker 1: if he's the best player on the field. I don't
Speaker 1: care in the end if you start, so I don't
Speaker 1: care what team he's on. But to see him like
Speaker 1: become what I know he can become is just my
Speaker 1: favorite part of fatherhood and I love being with them
Speaker 1: on that process, like going to I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: practice tonight. That's what I'm gonna do. Because I'm in
Speaker 1: New York every weekend. I don't get to see games,
Speaker 1: but I'll go to practice and we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: on the way home and then, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's my favorite thing. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: in and it's better than anything, to be honest, just
Speaker 1: better than professional sports. Not just the best thing about
Speaker 1: father for me, it's the best thing about life right now,
Speaker 1: which you know, I should probably put some other priorities
Speaker 1: above that. It's so fulfilling and it's just so important.
Speaker 1: It's fulfilling on an individual level and so important on
Speaker 1: a societal level. I don't know, I mean I need
Speaker 1: to work on I mean, I'll be open with you.
Speaker 1: You know, I could be more attemptive than and um devoted,
Speaker 1: not devote, I'm devoted, but doting, um husband. I could
Speaker 1: definitely be better at that. You know, I could definitely
Speaker 1: work on my relationship with God, which is a path
Speaker 1: that I mean, I've openly talked about this, like you know,
Speaker 1: I would never pretend to be a person who has
Speaker 1: the ability to sermonize to other people because I'm I'm
Speaker 1: working on it myself, right, but there are things that
Speaker 1: I should give more focus to. But the parenting thing,
Speaker 1: like and not again, not that I'm doing it. I'm
Speaker 1: not batting a thousand on this thing well below, but
Speaker 1: I certainly love every opportunity at the at the plate
Speaker 1: of parenting. And of course, to Will's point, you know,
Speaker 1: we can all work on things that we could do better.
Speaker 1: I was joking around with him that, you know, I
Speaker 1: could do like an hour long confessional podcast about the
Speaker 1: things I need to work on in my life and
Speaker 1: how to be a better person and all of that.
Speaker 1: But uh, and then we said goodbye, as one does
Speaker 1: when they end of podcasts. Thank you, Lisa. That's that's
Speaker 1: I'm so blumed that you guys didn't get it here.
Speaker 1: The live discussion and the back and forth between us,
Speaker 1: it was so much fun. He's such a great guy.
Speaker 1: But you know, life happens, things happen, and technology it
Speaker 1: can suck sometimes, so it is what it is. But
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for listening, and we'll
Speaker 1: have it back on in a couple of months from now,
Speaker 1: and hopefully no technical glitches then, so you can kind
Speaker 1: of get the full interview. But until then Monday on Thursday,
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