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Speaker 1: the show, and our audience is banded it So if
Speaker 1: we hear us reiterate some questions from earlier, it's because
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Speaker 2: But let's just drunk who this brother is.
Speaker 1: When you when you say lyricists, when you say icon,
Speaker 1: when you say legend, when you say your favorite ghost
Speaker 1: writer's favorite ghost writer, he could dj We're gonna find
Speaker 1: out for real? Is he gonna really put that mic down?
Speaker 1: I made a segment just for him. Because I watched
Speaker 1: him at the Beans Awards. I kept saying, damn, he
Speaker 1: still got it. Every bar he kept saying and I
Speaker 1: kept saying he still got it. So I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, they said, skills is coming. I said,
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Speaker 1: I want to ask this because this has been a very,
Speaker 1: very hot topic on drink Champs.
Speaker 2: It's a Virginia the side. Yo.
Speaker 1: We're talking about this because I mean people from Virginia
Speaker 1: that remind me of East Coast on the way. But
Speaker 1: this is people when I beat in Virginia that remind
Speaker 1: me of some real, real South Okay.
Speaker 4: I say, were right in the middle. Like like I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say the same thing I said before. We right
Speaker 4: in the middle. So it's like we get a little
Speaker 4: bit of the East Coast. I was heavily East Coast influence.
Speaker 4: You could you could tell you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: But we right right there in the middle.
Speaker 3: So and you got all of the HBCUs.
Speaker 4: So most of the people end up going to schools
Speaker 4: and you gotta you know, you have to listen to DJs.
Speaker 3: Had to play a South set.
Speaker 4: They got played in New York set, they got played
Speaker 4: an ATL set, you know what I mean. They got
Speaker 4: played the LA set. So you heard so much music. Historically,
Speaker 4: it was the capitol, Yeah, Confederate it was.
Speaker 2: It was the capital of the claim that ship.
Speaker 4: But it was it was the second biggest I want
Speaker 4: to say, second or third biggest, like where the slaves were,
Speaker 4: Like it was more slaves dead than anyway Turner where
Speaker 4: all that rebellion and all that happened right right down
Speaker 4: in Virginia.
Speaker 2: Now turn was in Virginia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we killed all them white people. Yeah, I've seen
Speaker 4: the movie too. Yeah that was I passed it all
Speaker 4: the time. Yeah, it happened down there right.
Speaker 2: So you being, you know, a liri cool giant.
Speaker 1: We just I say, we witnessed one of the greatest battles.
Speaker 2: I could say up all time. Because let me just
Speaker 2: tell you why.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not I'm not talking about the disrespect.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the bars.
Speaker 1: I'm actually talking about the acknowledgement. Like I don't care
Speaker 1: where I was at, I could have.
Speaker 5: Been in an Indian stretch parlor rightwt yoga, doing sweat
Speaker 5: yoga and drinking drink like people have to drink speak English.
Speaker 1: So as far as to me, it's one of the
Speaker 1: greatest battles. And I know when you're thinking about and
Speaker 1: you're thinking about.
Speaker 2: We had a big part of it. What I mean
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 1: Was like the biggest what I mean like like you
Speaker 1: couldn't go nowhere without people speaking about it.
Speaker 3: Because of the end of this social media specifically.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think Kendrick out maneuvered Drake. I think he thought
Speaker 4: that it was going to be easy. But you gotta
Speaker 4: you gotta think like Drake. I'm gonna say is. I
Speaker 4: won't say was. I would say Drake is on like
Speaker 4: a fifteen fourteen year run. Oh Hove didn't even Hove
Speaker 4: didn't even have that type of run. And I don't
Speaker 4: mean hip hop star, I mean rap pop star, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like he's over there, like he's
Speaker 4: still hip hop. But Drake could sell out O two,
Speaker 4: sell out with like whatever. So but Kendrick, I want
Speaker 4: to say, just out maneuvered him, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like those records were very strategic.
Speaker 1: He kind of did to Drake what Drake and Mill
Speaker 1: went through. Like I believe that at one point Me
Speaker 1: underestimated him, and I believe that at one point Drake
Speaker 1: underestimated him because of the fact that Kendrick wasn't wasn't
Speaker 1: immediately going back in the studio. So so you do
Speaker 1: you think this is the biggest I has down sleeping?
Speaker 2: Okay, we was.
Speaker 3: We was around for jay z n.
Speaker 4: And and and and krs. But the Internet made this one,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, but we didn't. They
Speaker 4: didn't have a It didn't have to be a summer
Speaker 4: jam moment. You know, peace prize on the screen, Oh Shan,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It didn't have to be that.
Speaker 4: But he just outmaneuvered him man.
Speaker 6: Using social media he used as a tool like that
Speaker 6: concert was his summer jam moment, that constant way he
Speaker 6: brung Drake dre out and he was like, imagine he
Speaker 6: himself did his own summer jam moment, right because.
Speaker 2: He did his own summer jam moments. What I'm saying
Speaker 2: that I don't think that was equivalent.
Speaker 6: I think that because you had to go to a
Speaker 6: summer jam, he created it somebody.
Speaker 2: A different way.
Speaker 4: And even even thinking back, you got to think, So
Speaker 4: Kendrick had a concert where he put on like all
Speaker 4: l A artists, everybody in his hood. He had.
Speaker 2: That's the concert.
Speaker 4: Talking about the concert, Drake did that five years prior.
Speaker 2: You got a concert a battle.
Speaker 4: It was all Canadian artists, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like if you wasn't from Canada, you wasn't getting on
Speaker 4: this bill from the whole school to the new School.
Speaker 4: So it's like he did what he had already done,
Speaker 4: but it just it was magnified. And Kendrick was just
Speaker 4: very smart, Like just the small thing is like like
Speaker 4: releasing the songs on YouTube, but taking the monetation off,
Speaker 4: taking the eat so people could p his joints and
Speaker 4: get money off of it.
Speaker 3: They can do the reaction.
Speaker 2: Videos, they could do whatever they want. Yeah, who's doing that?
Speaker 2: So what was he doing? He was?
Speaker 3: He was when he posted his videos.
Speaker 4: He took off the whatever it is to where people
Speaker 4: can't monetize. He let people monetize off of his his.
Speaker 7: Lady copyright free, yeah copyright. He took the copyright off.
Speaker 7: If I'm not mak your money, like go ahead, nigga.
Speaker 7: It was for the people, like he was like, go ahead,
Speaker 7: break your bread. If you get eighty million views on
Speaker 7: your ship. My nigga counted up.
Speaker 6: Like typically if someone does a reaction video, it won't monetize.
Speaker 6: They'll get the views, but it won't monetize for them.
Speaker 6: He's like, go ahead and make your money off of it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: which was strictly for the people. Smart man. He went
Speaker 6: got small part of the way. You're smart man. He
Speaker 6: out maneuvered them.
Speaker 4: I want to say, out bar them and then and
Speaker 4: then he made a bot at the end, like not
Speaker 4: like us. It was just a bot. Like it's about
Speaker 4: you can't be mad at it. It's about I think.
Speaker 1: I see the interview with you in two thoy eighteen
Speaker 1: and they asked you who is who is the new generation?
Speaker 1: And you named the Big Three. Back then you said
Speaker 1: you said.
Speaker 3: I saw it coming. I saw it coming.
Speaker 4: I remember when they was all running together, Wilet, Cuddy, Drake, Kendrake,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Nip was in there, but
Speaker 4: Kendrick Man, he just different man. I went to see
Speaker 4: his concert, his his big step is concert mister Morale,
Speaker 4: and it, like bro it was. It was one of
Speaker 4: the illest concerts I ever I put it top three,
Speaker 4: and I seen Mike and Prince Wow. I put it
Speaker 4: top three. Ken Kendrick showed his last tour. It was insane,
Speaker 4: bro it was and it was like black Art, like
Speaker 4: if you ever get a chance, I think it might
Speaker 4: be still up on one of them streaming networks or whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say the name, but look for it. But
Speaker 3: it's bro.
Speaker 2: I went. I went on a Tuesday.
Speaker 3: I was in v A.
Speaker 4: I went on a Tuesday in Charlotte because the tickets
Speaker 4: was just cheaper, right, So I go to Charlotte, stay
Speaker 4: to night, see the show. I'm blown away. I drive
Speaker 4: back the VA Wednesday and he's in DC Thursday. I
Speaker 4: woke up Wednesday like I might go see this ship again.
Speaker 4: It was that fire like it was. I just and
Speaker 4: I love how he pop out and then he just
Speaker 4: go back home. He just go back inside. You don't
Speaker 4: see him no more until it's time to see him.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, because this is something that
Speaker 1: I was conflicted with, right, And I seen Jada Kiss
Speaker 1: comment on this when j Cole came out right, they
Speaker 1: covede this this this, this is this record and then
Speaker 1: did a concert and almost like he apologized, not almost
Speaker 1: he apologized, and a lot of Battle Rappers was like why,
Speaker 1: like why, But then he said something that was conflicted
Speaker 1: with me because if I'm sorry, sometimes I just got
Speaker 1: to be sorry.
Speaker 2: Right like I don't care.
Speaker 8: What what what? What's what's the criteria of that being?
Speaker 8: And we was like that it ain't sit right with
Speaker 8: my soul. That ship touched me as a man that
Speaker 8: been through older I've been through. That touched me. But
Speaker 8: then the other half of me like, nig fuck, why
Speaker 8: you say sorry? Like so where did you? Where did
Speaker 8: you sit on that?
Speaker 4: When I looked at the video and it was like
Speaker 4: Ja Cole apologized as the Kendrick.
Speaker 3: I looked at the video. I didn't get apology.
Speaker 4: The headline that headline was why he did?
Speaker 2: He got up and he was.
Speaker 4: Like, yo, I did some ship. It wasn't really in
Speaker 4: my heart, you know what I mean? I knew it
Speaker 4: when I did it. I put it out there. I
Speaker 4: was I ain't even really go one hundred because that's
Speaker 4: my man, that's my friend. But I did something that
Speaker 4: was out of my character. And if and if he
Speaker 4: if he wanted to take it on the chain, cool,
Speaker 4: if you want to come.
Speaker 3: Back in and smart up.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: He got that, but I ain't standing on that because
Speaker 4: that ain't how I really feel. And what people got
Speaker 4: to understand is when you got friends in this game,
Speaker 4: it's a little different. Okay, we talked about that last time, like,
Speaker 4: if you're my friend, I'm not gonna do anything publicly
Speaker 4: just for a look to.
Speaker 2: Play you out.
Speaker 4: Like I went through that with one of the wrap ups,
Speaker 4: Like I remember when the Entanglement shit happened. Everybody was like, yo,
Speaker 4: I can't believe he put Will and Jade in the
Speaker 4: wrap up.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's my friend.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna waste a twenty year relationship for a
Speaker 4: punchline for y'all niggas for a song you don't even buy.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4: That's my that's my friend. So I'm going to see
Speaker 4: them at a barbecue. I'm going to see them at
Speaker 4: a birthday party. I'm supposed to put that in the
Speaker 4: wrap up for you. Now, I'm cool, And.
Speaker 2: It might have been like it might have been like.
Speaker 4: Only five people to ask, like, damn, I can't believe
Speaker 4: he put that in there. Everybody was like, yo, the
Speaker 4: Druman's crazy.
Speaker 2: It was dope.
Speaker 4: They ain't even they ain't even miss it. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm not risk in that relationship. And I think Kendrick
Speaker 4: and Cola friends.
Speaker 1: You know, I also said something on Twitter. They fried
Speaker 1: me for it. They fried me for it, and I
Speaker 1: enjoyed every moment. I was like, Yo, Kim, Drake and Drake.
Speaker 1: In a couple of years, we'll squash this and make
Speaker 1: one of the greatest records of hip hop history.
Speaker 4: And it ain't having You know what, I believe it
Speaker 4: or did I delete it?
Speaker 2: Did you believe it? Will you ever deleted it? You
Speaker 2: know why?
Speaker 1: Because you know why. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I got to see Jay and I I's patching it up.
Speaker 1: I got to see Shan and ker rush One going
Speaker 1: toll and do that.
Speaker 4: I got to see that none of them got called
Speaker 4: the pedophile.
Speaker 2: Damn man, got it got pretty skating on this one.
Speaker 4: You gotta hold that. That's that's like and listen.
Speaker 3: I'm.
Speaker 2: Love fit audible. I come from battle rap.
Speaker 4: If I know that your sister got off the py shoe,
Speaker 4: you fuck.
Speaker 2: I'm say I'm puking at the ball.
Speaker 4: My rooms for the battle wrapping when we did it
Speaker 4: was if I'm in front of you and I'm blowing
Speaker 4: you up, and I see you ball your hands up.
Speaker 2: I won because now you want to fight me.
Speaker 3: If I can make you want to fight me with work.
Speaker 2: You already lost. So Jay and Nis, they were businessman.
Speaker 2: I get it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They grew it was it was always tension between them,
Speaker 4: shan and and and Chris.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: Between them, and they squashed it. Squawks be bro, that's
Speaker 1: still beef.
Speaker 4: Last year I was with I was working with mass
Speaker 4: Appeal and Knobs on the fifty m. Anything they did,
Speaker 4: they had it in downtown and they took it to
Speaker 4: l A. I think it's moving around the world. Shout
Speaker 4: to shout to Peter in them. So I'm in there
Speaker 4: with Nas. Clark can't.
Speaker 2: Can you pronounce Peter the last name bitten bitten bender Peter.
Speaker 4: So it's me we in there, and and Nas comes
Speaker 4: in and and I I.
Speaker 3: Have seen I had seen Nas and years.
Speaker 4: So we're sitting there talking and Clark is trying to
Speaker 4: tell me how they want this thing done because they
Speaker 4: called me in because I put things together with whatever.
Speaker 4: So Nas is in there and Clark and Nastart talking
Speaker 4: I'm just a fly on the wall or whatever.
Speaker 3: So they talking.
Speaker 4: And and they start talking about the old days, and
Speaker 4: Clark said something like, yeah, you know, back in the day,
Speaker 4: like because you know, I used to DJ for day
Speaker 4: and day.
Speaker 3: And the Nas look at him.
Speaker 4: Like like like, Clauk, why you say that? Like I
Speaker 4: don't know, like I had to post on my walk about.
Speaker 4: So I started listening to Nas and I started realizing
Speaker 4: how big of a fin himp Hops is.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there and I'm a fly on the wall,
Speaker 4: but I'm dead, but I just watched. I always wanted
Speaker 4: to ask him this question. So I'm looking at him
Speaker 4: and I said, I said, yo, Nah, I said, man,
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you this one question one time.
Speaker 4: He was like what I said, Yo, how was it
Speaker 4: when the bridges over dropped? Like how was it like
Speaker 4: when I tell you his whole and Ralph and Ralph?
Speaker 4: Him and Ralph looked at each other like two queens niggas.
Speaker 4: They looked at each other like So he goes, he
Speaker 4: looks at me with the most serious look in his face.
Speaker 4: NAS looks at me directing goes, he said, skills you
Speaker 4: ever seen a Heroshima bomb? Hit some projects and I
Speaker 4: was like, nah, I was like, it was like dang.
Speaker 4: He looked at Ralph, he was like, my son of
Speaker 4: my line. Rob was like, nah son, it was crazy.
Speaker 4: He was like he said when it dropped, everybody was like, yo,
Speaker 4: they heard about it, but they hadn't heard it.
Speaker 2: So yo, who got the tape? Yo?
Speaker 3: Boy, he got the tape? Hit the barber shop.
Speaker 2: That's worse. And they go to the barber shop and Yo, Bobby,
Speaker 2: what it take? Like?
Speaker 3: Yo, I gave it to l L got the tape.
Speaker 2: He up on the hill.
Speaker 4: So they running around trying to find a tape.
Speaker 2: You know what makes it bad?
Speaker 1: It wasn't just like because you know, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be just between Krris one and and Shan, But for
Speaker 1: some reason, Karris wants to go on the whole birth Yes,
Speaker 1: and he said you didn't hear a peak from a
Speaker 1: place called Queen?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: And boy, when I tell you, that was not the
Speaker 1: best line, right. He created so many killers because we
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we're gonna make more than the peak.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker. You understand I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I told Harris one day he just put his head
Speaker 1: down and I said, damn, I didn't mean it.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean that, but I want you to face reality.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 9: But it wasn't until el Madicus. That's funny, That's exactly
Speaker 9: what told. We didn't get back until me. He said,
Speaker 9: you gotta understand. We used to go to the city
Speaker 9: ninety one hundred deep and just wait for the motherfucker
Speaker 9: to play the bridge. If he played the bridges over that.
Speaker 4: Ship, the party's done and ocle raph when it sounded.
Speaker 2: Like word, I was dead, like I've seen it.
Speaker 4: He's like, yos soon as everything turned the yo, he said, Yo,
Speaker 4: we didn't He said, Yo, we didn't get back until me.
Speaker 4: He said, so you say something about queens you play
Speaker 4: that record? Nah, you got you got an answer for that?
Speaker 4: He said, Yo, we was running up on We running
Speaker 4: up on man line where your man is at.
Speaker 2: He said, Yo. He was crazy.
Speaker 4: He was crazy and it was like that he was
Speaker 4: like I said. I said, I said no, I said,
Speaker 4: what was the time? How much times mad? A little
Speaker 4: bit after that said I said.
Speaker 2: Not, he's right there. He was signed. The cameras know
Speaker 2: that this is way after that record.
Speaker 4: I said, how much time passed between uh South Bronx
Speaker 4: and and Britges over.
Speaker 2: He Uncle Robin was like, yo was like a month?
Speaker 4: He said, yos like a month, and it was how
Speaker 4: long did this thing last? He said, it lasted for years?
Speaker 4: And I know that I never record record And that's
Speaker 4: why I feel like when Queen's Cast came out, y'all
Speaker 4: came out with so much like we're not going back
Speaker 4: there like that, and you know what's crazy, That's what
Speaker 4: record was crazy.
Speaker 1: That's why that you know, the Nots and jay Z
Speaker 1: battle was so you know important, was because we couldn't
Speaker 1: lose that one, Like we couldn't lose that one. And
Speaker 1: you know, my brother like he's my brother. I love
Speaker 1: NOAs like I can hit him right now, will he'll correspond?
Speaker 1: But at first, you know, I know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I e ever revealed this. He didn't think Jay
Speaker 1: was was going at him like people are coming up
Speaker 1: to him like you gotta love the cause little Jewel
Speaker 1: to reed, none of that food was getting fool with
Speaker 1: me and.
Speaker 2: I was like talking about about me and a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people was like, yo, man, it was so I
Speaker 1: think I think that the biggest battle between them was
Speaker 1: between them, like it really didn't have anybody gassing them.
Speaker 1: It's really just them too. But again, you know, I
Speaker 1: want to commend those brothers for going out there giving
Speaker 1: us a great battle and then you know, shaking hands
Speaker 1: on stage. I remember how proud I.
Speaker 2: Was seeing that. I know we're talking about the beasts
Speaker 2: and all that.
Speaker 1: How proud I was seeing Meek Milling and Drake squashed
Speaker 1: it like, letting them get over. But nas and Jay
Speaker 1: was the first stepping stone to that type of thing.
Speaker 1: Grow you Was it Jay Z's B side concerts concert?
Speaker 1: I believe it was, and he brung nads no no, no,
Speaker 1: General Barclays and he came out because I remember Jay
Speaker 1: had on the black.
Speaker 2: And on the green Army coad. Yeah, how much broke? Remember?
Speaker 2: So something else.
Speaker 1: That something else that I was looking at all your
Speaker 1: interviews and you said, people start asking you to subscribe Virginia,
Speaker 1: and you said something, this is your first line. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but you said, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something in the water, right And then before you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, I said, damn, this motherfucking
Speaker 1: the name for reals, for real, Jack.
Speaker 2: You which one is it?
Speaker 4: Listen?
Speaker 3: We always we always said.
Speaker 4: That you know what I'm saying I'm just something in
Speaker 4: the water, but I might have been the first person
Speaker 4: to say it, and.
Speaker 2: Wrest I was the thing locally. I saw that. I
Speaker 2: saw that record you first.
Speaker 4: One fuckers, mother fuckers take my ideas like ship, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But when it's hometown, I don't you ghost writing ideas?
Speaker 2: Too said so, but how did you feel when you
Speaker 2: heard from announced that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was dope man, like I just I
Speaker 4: just spunded his his rap party for his movie.
Speaker 2: He shot the Lego movie.
Speaker 4: No not he got he got another movie clean out,
Speaker 4: like a real, for real like bio pic. It's called Lantis.
Speaker 4: I think it's called Lantis. I hope I didn't give
Speaker 4: it away. And I know I know he's debuting the
Speaker 4: Lego movie at Something in the Water this year.
Speaker 2: It's not so a minute, so I don't know what
Speaker 2: the funk I did you ain't it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't tell the story about doing the voiceover.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean this.
Speaker 1: If there's anybody in the world that can tell me
Speaker 1: to do something without giving me the full story, like
Speaker 1: he's just like yo, I'm doing the animated like I
Speaker 1: didn't put too and two together animated Lego like I
Speaker 1: was just like he was just like yo, so asked
Speaker 1: me questions. It was on the phone, we filmed it.
Speaker 1: We still send it to them. I believe he did
Speaker 1: or I'm not sure, but we and they never they
Speaker 1: never told me it was a Lego Lego movie. So
Speaker 1: so he drops the commercial and people were just.
Speaker 4: Like, yo, man, you tell.
Speaker 2: I don't want to surprised. I'm like I know. I'm
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you can't tell people to find a project just
Speaker 4: because they'll go out and blow it.
Speaker 3: Like it's don't telling Mary.
Speaker 4: Well you knew for all and Chad and high school. No, no, no,
Speaker 4: I met them. I met him at a trip called
Speaker 4: quest concert. Yes, yes, I met him at her at
Speaker 4: a trip called Courst Concert and Pharrell was trying to
Speaker 4: rap for Q Tip and I.
Speaker 2: Can see that. Yeah yeah, both tribe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the biggest Tribe fan in VA. Like, he was
Speaker 4: crazy about trip called Courts and he wanted to rap
Speaker 4: for him. I was just on stage with him rapping
Speaker 4: and the bus was leaving and he was like, damn
Speaker 4: they that's them. And I was like yeah, the bus
Speaker 4: at the turn signal. I was like yeah, and he's
Speaker 4: like yo, I got wrapped for Tippy got hit my beast.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, that's the bus leaving bro like
Speaker 4: about to cry, like you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 4: he like he had missed his shot. And then later
Speaker 4: on he connected with him, and uh, the rest was history.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He's still one of the most influential people in the world,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like I love he man, like.
Speaker 3: I just talked. I sent him. Oh, I sent him
Speaker 3: a picture.
Speaker 4: The other day of of Fife, Rest in Peace Fife
Speaker 4: and Rest in Peace Dave from Daylight at that show,
Speaker 4: oh wow, because because Fife had to know every time,
Speaker 4: you know, fight would go to a city, he would
Speaker 4: wear the jersey or whatever the team was. So he
Speaker 4: had on a Virginia jersey. He had on the Virginia
Speaker 4: sweatshirt at that show.
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you a cliche question. You
Speaker 1: ever thought Virginia would be this popular?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Not no, not not, you know, not not in hindsight,
Speaker 4: because like I said, when I first came out, it
Speaker 4: was it wasn't nobody, you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 4: was just it wasn't even locally was locally, but wasn't
Speaker 4: nobody making no dents, and Teddy was.
Speaker 1: Out, but Teddy was Clanton Harlem a little bit Teddy
Speaker 1: Teddy was.
Speaker 4: It was rump shaking and then you know you had
Speaker 4: a killing then wrapping his little brother.
Speaker 3: They was hallm you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So they were shoot they shot the video Virginia Beach,
Speaker 4: but we didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't know them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I tell people all the time, I was you know,
Speaker 4: I was the first one. So it's almost like I
Speaker 4: look at rappers now and cat's be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: I put my neighborhood on, I put my city on,
Speaker 4: and when I look back at it, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: put a whole state on because it really wasn't no
Speaker 4: nobody else from Virginia. Usually I was the first person
Speaker 4: you ever heard from of it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like Like, so for me, it's like, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: put a claim in there. I don't want motherfuckers to
Speaker 4: forget that it was me, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 4: And and once they came, I made it successful, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Shout out to Magool because I
Speaker 4: did my thing. And then they started doing they thing.
Speaker 4: I got dropped. You know what I'm saying. I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I was back on the local scene. Then Magoo pulled
Speaker 4: me back in. You know what I'm saying, Like he
Speaker 4: told Tim and Missy like, yo, we gotta get him.
Speaker 4: That nigga pen game is nasty. We gotta get him.
Speaker 4: And the rest was history.
Speaker 1: Now, now I heard you say that you didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a ghost writer, but you've seen Missy pull
Speaker 1: up in.
Speaker 4: The purple Ferrari Lambeau Lambo okay, with purple piping on
Speaker 4: the seats. Nigga still the hell in four Me and
Speaker 4: p Pablo seen that ship at the same time. You
Speaker 4: thought we saw that, you would thought we saw a
Speaker 4: ghost When that car pulled up, it was like niggas
Speaker 4: can have that, you know what I'm saying, Like that,
Speaker 4: She wasn't even it's not artist money, No, okay, she wasn't.
Speaker 4: Silvia was begging her to put the album and she's like,
Speaker 4: I put the album out if you give me a deal,
Speaker 4: like a like a label.
Speaker 2: Just before the group that she was in, No.
Speaker 3: This is after sister.
Speaker 4: But that was what Joe to see and Davante and
Speaker 4: then the swing mob that failed.
Speaker 3: So then they came from Virginia.
Speaker 4: They from They from Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But they was raised. They had Tim, Tim was under them,
Speaker 4: junior wines like d m V. So yeah, all of
Speaker 4: them was around.
Speaker 2: She's the West proper cheese.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, God comes down and calls Nori.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Joe drink chest Man skills man, skills man,
Speaker 1: what up?
Speaker 10: I'm good you good man, while.
Speaker 4: Man, but always love you to bro. You already know always.
Speaker 2: Your happy birthday, brother. I love it you by.
Speaker 1: Recorded drink chest so as to say happy birthday.
Speaker 2: Love love. That's dope. Yeah, jose A good dude.
Speaker 1: He's actually getting the key to the city tomorrow.
Speaker 2: That's dope to New York City. Man, this makes a
Speaker 2: noise and it's his birthday. Damn. What the is I saying?
Speaker 4: He was talking about ghost and not wanting to be
Speaker 4: a Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: God came down from heaven said, mad, we need you
Speaker 1: to save humanity, whether you perform this song or just
Speaker 1: write this song. Would you prefer you perform a song
Speaker 1: or write the song?
Speaker 2: And I could I probably just write it. Okay.
Speaker 1: The God says a song you gonna write to save
Speaker 1: humanity doesn't matter what kind of criteria song. So what
Speaker 1: artists would you you want to say your words? And
Speaker 1: then what producer would you pick it to produce that record?
Speaker 4: Pharrell got to do the beat, God damn the beat.
Speaker 4: The artist, I'll probably say Kendrick right now, I'll probably
Speaker 4: think Kendrick, even though I doubt he need anybody write anything.
Speaker 4: It would be Kendrick with Pharrell and the beat. Last
Speaker 4: time that happened, that was all right. That was a
Speaker 4: anthem We're gonna be all right? Made that oly ship
Speaker 4: that's for around on the hook saying we gonna be
Speaker 4: all right?
Speaker 2: Do you hear me?
Speaker 3: Do you feel me?
Speaker 2: Yo? You wild? I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna act like I did, Like that's
Speaker 4: that's gonna be my mission today.
Speaker 3: I'm an educating on the line of ship.
Speaker 4: Know.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: Because it's something that I heard you say.
Speaker 2: You said.
Speaker 1: They don't give a funk right now. They don't even
Speaker 1: buy albums with credits, so nobody I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know sometimes when I look at a person's song,
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't even see people saying features. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like different, like you ever thought that,
Speaker 1: because you know, when we come from the era where
Speaker 1: when your album dropped, I wanted to know who produced it.
Speaker 2: I want to know who your A n R was.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know where the address was for your
Speaker 1: record label.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know who your management. Who are you thinking?
Speaker 2: Who was your thank you? Your thank you?
Speaker 3: Yet that's how I learned rappers.
Speaker 4: Really heard you say that, like you got the published
Speaker 4: name Clifford Smith Ship that's method, man, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Robert D Like, I know, we used to
Speaker 4: play that game. You just throw out name Clifford Harris Man.
Speaker 4: We're gonna still that game We're going to.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so and right now they say it's just
Speaker 1: it's disposable music, but it's actually disposable everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, songs don't even songs be like two minutes long. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because people's attentions.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So it's like it's like a TikTok era. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: These kids they just want to get it and go
Speaker 4: to the next one, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 4: the songs be so fast and sometimes they catch you.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they not and then sometimes these kids can't even
Speaker 4: perform these songs. Like you see him live and you're like, damn,
Speaker 4: damn that ship. Yeah, I should don't hit this. They
Speaker 4: damn near made it in a vacuum. I don't even
Speaker 4: remember what bro The song ain't even mixed. They just
Speaker 4: uploaded it and it went, it went crazy. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. That's that's the problem. Like I tell,
Speaker 4: I tell these kids a lot, Like I'm like, yo, man, listen,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I know it's I know what you're thinking.
Speaker 4: You're thinking that you're hot because you got dismounting numbers
Speaker 4: on TikTok and you got a million views and da
Speaker 4: da da da. You can fake the views, you can
Speaker 4: fake the followers, you can fake the likes, but you
Speaker 4: can't fake making people care. You can't fake that. So
Speaker 4: if you can, you can have eighty million followers. You
Speaker 4: show up in VA and I and I heard that
Speaker 4: it was only forty people with the show last night.
Speaker 3: I already know what that is.
Speaker 4: Like y'all, y'all faking the funk like on some real shit,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like, you can't fake making
Speaker 4: people care. Man, the records gotta connect if they don't connect,
Speaker 4: keep making records.
Speaker 2: Right, who's the upper couple of artists you listening to me?
Speaker 4: Oh man, it's a couple of cats from from VA
Speaker 4: that I'm checking now.
Speaker 2: It's a cat and they.
Speaker 4: Noah, oh, he do a lot of stuff in this Noah,
Speaker 4: like you know, hey, h dash oh look him up,
Speaker 4: don't don't a couple of cases can Michael Millions. He's
Speaker 4: a good engineer and he's a dope MC radio b
Speaker 4: It was a few casts from my city that have
Speaker 4: have have put their clan. They lyricists, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. They care about bars and and this line connecting.
Speaker 4: It's not just oh I gotta catch you help, it's
Speaker 4: it's it's some people that are still trying to keep
Speaker 4: the lyricism thing alive.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that as an MC.
Speaker 6: Now just wait, do we think that the Kendrick and
Speaker 6: Drake thing is enough to bring back that into the.
Speaker 4: Enough because we already back to the stupid records. But
Speaker 4: but but Kendrick rapped circles like he rapped it was
Speaker 4: and it was so it was so crazy listened to
Speaker 4: him because even when I listened to one record, he
Speaker 4: would change his voice full time.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was listening to four people.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, that's four different money. I'm saying, like, so,
Speaker 4: I don't know if Kendrick and and and the Drakes
Speaker 4: and the j Coles are enough, because you.
Speaker 2: Know, back in the day, we had way more than
Speaker 2: three lyrics. Three.
Speaker 6: You couldn't get a zeal, if you didn't have a
Speaker 6: good bars deal, if you couldn't get a ball.
Speaker 3: They didn't sign this ship.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's a change of climate, man, And
Speaker 4: I'll never be I never discontinue with disrespect a young
Speaker 4: black man that's helping his family get out the hood,
Speaker 4: get his mom a crib, helping us to go to school.
Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of music he made, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. If you did that for your family,
Speaker 4: off of that one little song you did, I got
Speaker 4: love for you, young man. I just hope, God, I
Speaker 4: hope you realize that as you make more music, it's
Speaker 4: more to you than just that.
Speaker 6: Well, it's not the sorry, it's not the creator. I
Speaker 6: don't I don't ever felt the creator or someone that's
Speaker 6: making the music that might do its thing. It's the
Speaker 6: audience that's changed what they like, the appetite of what
Speaker 6: they're into, you know, and it used to be where
Speaker 6: they were more cerebral and then went way far from that.
Speaker 4: I just did a project, maybe like two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I put out a spoken word project, and it's more
Speaker 4: like poetry.
Speaker 3: Like it ain't even I'm.
Speaker 1: Not even rapping what spoken word is poetry?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's it's called the Seven Number Ones. But
Speaker 4: it's it's almost like some of the stuff was so personal.
Speaker 4: I just felt more compelled to just say it than
Speaker 4: to try to wrap it.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I just took another lane and I like to see
Speaker 4: all this grow and try new things, Like because you
Speaker 4: get stagged the man, you don't want to keep doing
Speaker 4: the same shit over and over again. That's why I
Speaker 4: quit the wrap up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody told me sorry, bounced around real quick.
Speaker 1: You know who the real ultimate winner is of Drake
Speaker 1: and Kendrick. You know, they both on the same same label,
Speaker 1: ultimately Republic.
Speaker 2: Universe, the universe.
Speaker 1: Someone that was in the system so me that nothing
Speaker 1: was moving while they was battling, like they put everything
Speaker 1: into my home. I think that I think that with
Speaker 1: l L and Cannabis. I see death Jam go crazy.
Speaker 1: I see Death Jam go crazy. When John and dmxics
Speaker 1: beef and they're on the same label. You think record
Speaker 1: labels benefit, of course.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Let me give them a regular label, a little bit
Speaker 1: of credit, a little bit of credit. I don't think
Speaker 1: they start the beefs, but I think once the beefs start,
Speaker 1: they know how to like answer.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think some of them have been
Speaker 2: instigated by labels.
Speaker 1: Maybe instigated, but I don't think full flex starts.
Speaker 4: A businessman as a businessman, if I start Coke and
Speaker 4: I see how well Coke does, I'm talking about Coca Cola.
Speaker 4: It's only Miami. I'm sorry. I'm a smart businessman. If
Speaker 4: I start Pepsi too, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 4: the what's the old fat guy that died in prison
Speaker 4: that started the Backstreet Boy? He started the Backstreet Boys
Speaker 4: and he made that competition.
Speaker 3: They didn't even know they was on the same.
Speaker 1: They just said from Fore's on boy Nego. They just
Speaker 1: said that Negos got accused of putting out ice cream
Speaker 1: or bababe or whatever. And then he also controlled the
Speaker 1: bootleggers like he was making the bootleg Listen.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 4: That's when you are moving in that type of space.
Speaker 4: It's only right that you think bigger. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like think big man, like stop thinking small.
Speaker 4: Put put your own competition out there. It's crazy. We
Speaker 4: only have no no male groups. I said to my
Speaker 4: other we only had no male singers one when he
Speaker 4: got a group, ain't no new addition, no no, no
Speaker 4: type of boys. Man, we don't even have. We don't
Speaker 4: have none of that. And I feel like every eight
Speaker 4: or nine years, we should it should happen, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, should be a boy group out right
Speaker 4: now killing it outside of one more shot to one more,
Speaker 4: which is one ye from boys the men. He got
Speaker 4: four sons and they killing it. But that's it. I mean,
Speaker 4: groups have gone away completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't body want ship the money more? And that's crazy,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. You think about right now, probably Bro's brothers.
Speaker 4: There's probably three brothers right now that grew up together
Speaker 4: in Tallahassee and they probably can sing their ass off.
Speaker 4: They don't even want to split the money with their brother.
Speaker 4: It's like, will we ever have another wu Tang clan, like, right,
Speaker 4: that's true.
Speaker 2: It maybe what the young the only one?
Speaker 6: Now I think it was maybe what flat flat Bush zombies?
Speaker 6: Then before that our future who odd future? But migos,
Speaker 6: is it not only three?
Speaker 1: And then they ain't even maybe a littlan you just
Speaker 1: stay over there, spit three niggas, come on, man a
Speaker 1: vegan pizza, come on?
Speaker 3: Just who was different?
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of signs we get people
Speaker 4: they don't even want to be clicked up because they
Speaker 4: like I got split it with homie and Homie I
Speaker 4: don't want to do that. So now that's I think
Speaker 4: that's why we get so many songs. But it's just
Speaker 4: like a solo artist.
Speaker 6: You don't think labels also is just they don't want
Speaker 6: to deal with groups anymore either.
Speaker 4: I think, say, bro, if something come across fire and
Speaker 4: it's and it's already blowing up, it would make sense
Speaker 4: for them, like, let me find two singers that could
Speaker 4: just sing like we'll never have another shot today, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like the day's over.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Don't nobody want to share nothing?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you got discovered by Q tip? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, hands down, he said, And yeah I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: here without them. Shout to tryal request getting it ducked
Speaker 4: into the rock and rolls. That's right, yeah, so and
Speaker 4: shout to you know, I leave jerobe.
Speaker 2: Yeatnam Man.
Speaker 4: I definitely I owe a lot to that man, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And I'm very grateful that he
Speaker 4: pulled me out of that tree and he said, spinc
Speaker 4: some balls, you know what I'm saying. I wouldn't have
Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been no Mad Skills without that moment.
Speaker 4: So I'm happy that it happened, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Shout the Q tip, the abstract poetic little sin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's impressions. Yo.
Speaker 1: Can we put up that clip? That's so the group chat,
Speaker 1: the second clip, not the first one from the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then later on because.
Speaker 3: I remember I said I didn't know if I had
Speaker 3: his number.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got check and you was like, YO, make
Speaker 4: that call now you got your number, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't think you're gonna answer.
Speaker 2: You made We thought you thought he had you blocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was not blocked, and he picked up
Speaker 1: y'all kicked it, y'all checked it, chopped it up.
Speaker 2: I believe you said one tear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 2: I tell the dope moment, Now, that was dope. That
Speaker 2: was a dope moment.
Speaker 3: We hadn't talked in like almost ten years.
Speaker 2: That was a dope moment for us.
Speaker 1: But to be honest with you, that was a personal
Speaker 1: moment for you and him. So since the show, you know,
Speaker 1: we're trying to do our more. We check up ship. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened six years ago. I definitely have connected with him.
Speaker 3: We talked. We talked a lot.
Speaker 4: I went up to his crib and we spun like
Speaker 4: a DJ set together, like a you know, four turntables
Speaker 4: too two.
Speaker 2: He went back and forth. He do it.
Speaker 4: He does a stream on his on his platform. And
Speaker 4: I went up there and hung out with him. It
Speaker 4: was just good to see him, man. You know, it's
Speaker 4: that's the homie.
Speaker 2: Man. I love that dude.
Speaker 4: I told the world I filled up. I filled up
Speaker 4: to passpars. I seen the world messing with you as
Speaker 4: he Jeff Man. So it's super dope, super dope dude. Man,
Speaker 4: I love him.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. My brother, let me tell
Speaker 2: you something.
Speaker 1: So I wrote on the jet with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I saw that picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then so I believe it's a dead back
Speaker 1: the way back. It was just being him and I
Speaker 1: didn't want him to ask me about that movement because
Speaker 1: I didn't know if that But what's crazy that this is.
Speaker 2: How you know this man been all over the world.
Speaker 1: His wife opens up like a package or something. She
Speaker 1: had every charger.
Speaker 2: Ever made, all the adapters. That's that's the charger. You
Speaker 2: understood what I said.
Speaker 1: She had Germany, even though they probably the same, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: A different I was like, yo, I was like, cause
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was getting up and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to my seat and get my charger.
Speaker 1: She was like, I got you. I looked at I
Speaker 1: was like, what the fun every day? That's how you
Speaker 1: know of a person just well traveled man.
Speaker 2: What's the favorite place you've been to?
Speaker 4: I'll probably say Australia. Australia was clean. It was the
Speaker 4: cleanest city I ever seen. Couldn't believe clean and clean.
Speaker 2: And diesel kangaroos.
Speaker 4: Yes. Sydney, Sydney, Australia. Thailand. We got beautiful beaches there.
Speaker 4: Place called food cut.
Speaker 2: These are places you performed at Yeah okay.
Speaker 3: And I Love La.
Speaker 4: I got a love a spy in La, so I
Speaker 4: go back and between her A v A. But yeah, man,
Speaker 4: Australia was probably one of the most pretty and kate
Speaker 4: town with with with the mountains and the cliffs.
Speaker 1: You did our show before we give your flowers, but
Speaker 1: we need to give your flowers physically face to face.
Speaker 2: Yes, what that you came before we started? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: well bro, let me tell you something. Skills.
Speaker 1: When we made this show is to give people like you,
Speaker 1: people who staid.
Speaker 2: The test of time, who stood the test of time and.
Speaker 1: Motherfuckers stood on your motherfucking monkey foot and motherfucking did
Speaker 1: what you gotta do, and you dedicated your life to
Speaker 1: hip hop, and hip hop recognizes that we love you,
Speaker 1: we respect you.
Speaker 2: Want to keep.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I saw y'all get somebody else this and
Speaker 4: I was like, damn, I ain't get that before we
Speaker 4: started the traditional Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now this is dope. Man. I'm just gonna go up
Speaker 2: in the studio. This is this is power.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a quick question. Right, this
Speaker 1: is me going through your disciography. Right, you clearly can
Speaker 1: make any type of music right, whether it's even like
Speaker 1: club music, girl music, street music, you know, bar music, whatever.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the fact that because some some
Speaker 1: like like some bars, even me knowing the record, I
Speaker 1: have to go back and be like, oh, ship.
Speaker 2: That's what the fuck he meant? Like And this is
Speaker 2: years later, like and I'm.
Speaker 1: An EMC right and sometimes you go over me right.
Speaker 1: Do you think that was Do you think that was
Speaker 1: a plus for your career or you think that might
Speaker 1: have been one of the parts because you might have
Speaker 1: been the smartest guy in the.
Speaker 2: Place and like the smart kid in the in the
Speaker 2: slow class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean. Resource room Right now,
Speaker 4: I really feel like I've realized once I made that transition, man,
Speaker 4: I realized that people like what I say, they just
Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to hear it coming from me, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So once I.
Speaker 4: Realized that and that light bulb went off, I realized
Speaker 4: that I could write anything and people call you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and ask for things, and sometimes there's
Speaker 4: things that I can't even fathom that I get a
Speaker 4: chance to do. And as much as people like sticking
Speaker 4: to me for this, it was all for the wrap up,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm saying like the wrap Up was
Speaker 4: a creation that.
Speaker 3: Came the wrap Up.
Speaker 4: Okay, it was something that you know, it started and
Speaker 4: people ran with it and did their own versions of it,
Speaker 4: and you know what I'm saying, but that that whole
Speaker 4: thing started on like stretching Bobido. I started did a
Speaker 4: stretch of Bobido freestyle like ninety three. It goes that
Speaker 4: far back, like from just some tying things together, got that,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So that started in ninety three.
Speaker 4: So now we in twenty twenty four, and I almost
Speaker 4: look at it like how many motherfuckers did something in
Speaker 4: ninety three and they could still do it in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four. Jordan can't jump from the file line no more.
Speaker 4: That shit ain't happening. Shack can't post up in the
Speaker 4: paint like he used to. So for me, when those
Speaker 4: calls come, it's because I was able to do that.
Speaker 4: Like even when the whole Rock and Roll Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame shit came in, like I didn't.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if I could do this,
Speaker 3: but it turned into something.
Speaker 4: And once I saw all of those people Iris El
Speaker 4: but Lisa Keys, Chris Rock, Kevin Hart, saying all them
Speaker 4: jay Z lines, and then I saw a blue ivy
Speaker 4: at the end and I was like, I did that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I created that that call came because Yo, we know
Speaker 4: when it comes to this hip hop shit, you the
Speaker 4: dude that could connect them doves. That's how I ended
Speaker 4: up working with NAS and Massive Pill for the and
Speaker 4: the wrap up last year that the BT Awards, like,
Speaker 4: you don't get them calls if you're not.
Speaker 2: Good at what you do.
Speaker 6: And I'd imagine in answering to what you're asking that
Speaker 6: if you're a top tier lyricist, it's easier to come
Speaker 6: down from that creatively than to be to have no
Speaker 6: lyrical ability and try to scale up.
Speaker 4: Right, what I'm saying, like that jay Z shit. I
Speaker 4: did that jay Z rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: shit in nine days.
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 4: Like that that that happened fast, like Questlove call curated.
Speaker 2: I wrote it? Okay wow?
Speaker 4: Right? So so Questlove called because jay Z's getting inducted
Speaker 4: into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and you
Speaker 4: can't put an artist up there and let them do
Speaker 4: allow me to reintroduce myself. That shit is corny, So
Speaker 4: they have to figure out a way to tribute jay Z,
Speaker 4: so jay Z will come because jay Z's like, I'm
Speaker 4: not gone, and they're like, yo, it's the rock and
Speaker 4: Roll Hall of Fame, like you you have to go,
Speaker 4: and you know, Hope He's like, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: Gotta do shit's with him and got inducted. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: So that that video montage that played with all the celebrities.
Speaker 3: I wrote that word for word.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, so quest Love calls and it was weird
Speaker 4: because I was in a barber shop and he's like, yo,
Speaker 4: when when did you stop listening to jay Z? I
Speaker 4: was like what He's like, when did you stop listening
Speaker 4: to Hop? I was like, I said, what's the context
Speaker 4: of the question. He said, I remember you saying back
Speaker 4: in the day, like you used to you could hear
Speaker 4: a jay Z song one time and quote the balls.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, back he was.
Speaker 4: He was I used to love when Hope would get
Speaker 4: mad at niggas, like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: when he was mad at Jimmy, was mad that he
Speaker 4: was a different guy.
Speaker 3: He really talked and ship.
Speaker 4: So I said, maybe, like I said, the last thing
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed was maybe four four four.
Speaker 3: It was super dope.
Speaker 4: He was like, Okay, cool, I need you to do
Speaker 4: your thing, your wrap up stretching my beetle things, but
Speaker 4: I need you to do it with all of the
Speaker 4: Quinn Central jay Z lines. And I'm like, I said, okay,
Speaker 4: that's that's gonna be fine. He said, IM about to
Speaker 4: pisch the Beyond. I'm about to piss the idea to Beyonce.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, that'll be dope, he said, but
Speaker 4: I need it in nine days. And I'm like, y'
Speaker 4: I don't know if I could pull that off. So
Speaker 4: he's like, well, you might not have to. She might
Speaker 4: say no. So I'm I'm gonna hit you back, so
Speaker 4: he hits me back. He's like, Beyonce says she'll do it,
Speaker 4: but she don't want to do it byself. She wants
Speaker 4: other artists to save Jay's lines. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: that should be fire.
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah.
Speaker 4: So you're on the clock and I'm like, fun, so
Speaker 4: I'm listening to I'm listening to Dots affects, hole fucking
Speaker 4: can I get open? Stick your finger in the dyke
Speaker 4: and all like all of these I start there and
Speaker 4: I'm all the way up to four four four, so
Speaker 4: all of the quintessential lines.
Speaker 2: I will not lose.
Speaker 3: It's about to go down like all of those lines.
Speaker 4: So so he starts hitting me, and once I got
Speaker 4: the piece together, now it's the double entendre of.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna say the lines?
Speaker 4: So Beyonce is gonna say, what's better than one billionaire?
Speaker 2: Two? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like Dave Chappelle was gonna say, they say words are weapons,
Speaker 4: so when you shoot meets you death in less than
Speaker 4: eight seconds. So then the impart was David let Himan
Speaker 4: says David. They tell David Letniman, you gonna say I
Speaker 4: keep one eye open like CBS. And he's like that
Speaker 4: that's y'all want me to say that. Why that's not
Speaker 4: even a cool line. And they're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: If you say I keep one eye open like CBS,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be the coolest line of the whole ship.
Speaker 4: So Jay Jay is at the Rock and Roll Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame thing.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you just j not this is going on? No, okay,
Speaker 2: so this is no clue.
Speaker 3: He has no clue. So Jay goes to the Rock
Speaker 3: and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: They do the thing and he just he's sitting there
Speaker 4: with Jay brann all him and this montage just comes
Speaker 4: up and.
Speaker 3: It starts with Beyonce.
Speaker 4: So they got the camera hole and they got the
Speaker 4: camera and thing, this is in the this is where
Speaker 4: the Cavaliers players. Thirty thousand people in there. So you're
Speaker 4: watching it live Cleveland.
Speaker 2: So boom.
Speaker 3: So they running through the lines and he got this
Speaker 3: look on his face like.
Speaker 4: Wow, and it's you know what I mean, it's Samuel Jackson,
Speaker 4: it's Tyler Perry.
Speaker 2: It's every it's black Hollywood.
Speaker 4: And they all saying my words, my words inspired by
Speaker 4: Jay Z right.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that one too, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So they get to they get to the end.
Speaker 4: They get to the end and Blue Ibby pops up
Speaker 4: and she says, congratts s Carter ghost writer for the
Speaker 4: right price, and you know, and it's like it's.
Speaker 3: A curse word in that.
Speaker 2: So Jay is looking like.
Speaker 4: Yours my child on the Jobo truck and then she
Speaker 4: says the line she says about we he made jo
Speaker 4: hits tighter yo. So he stops and he like looks
Speaker 4: like damn, they got me. So he does his speech
Speaker 4: and I'm in the crib I'm in VA. I'm at
Speaker 4: the crib. I don't see this happen live. I just
Speaker 4: it's in a little splits of beasts or whatever. So
Speaker 4: I wake up and it's like two in the morning
Speaker 4: and I got a text from quest Love. He was like,
Speaker 4: I said, how did it go? He said, Yo, he
Speaker 4: loved it. It was crazy. Jay tweets, he tweeted, and
Speaker 4: he don't really have a use tweeter like that. He tweeted, Yo,
Speaker 4: whoever made that video package? I'm a cry in the car.
Speaker 4: That was amazing. So I'm I'm like, damn, that's that's ill.
Speaker 4: So then I get a text from quest Love and
Speaker 4: he's like, yo, Jay about to hit you. So I'm like, yea,
Speaker 4: all right whatever, Like that's just right. So I go
Speaker 4: to sleep. It's two thirty in the morning. I go
Speaker 4: to sleep. I wake up in the morning. I got
Speaker 4: a text from Hole and I'm looking at it and
Speaker 4: I'm just like.
Speaker 2: Damn, what does it saying?
Speaker 4: I can't really tell you that. I mean like, like, yo,
Speaker 4: you did an amazing job. Like you did an amazing.
Speaker 6: It's like I can't tell you look at it.
Speaker 2: But I'm.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying y'all. But it's the top joint.
Speaker 4: But I'm waking up to text you hold and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's how And I'm like, Yo, this is crazy, man
Speaker 4: like for Hole to say, Yo, what you did was brilliant,
Speaker 4: man Like amazing, you know what I'm saying, Like to.
Speaker 2: I'm fred.
Speaker 4: I can even hear the laugh, right, you know, you
Speaker 4: don't get from Hole every day.
Speaker 1: By the way he writes bars and texts. He's still
Speaker 1: writing bars.
Speaker 4: So man, so you know, for me to have that moment,
Speaker 4: and you know, rock and roll halls fame, that's forever.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Every year around his birthday they post that video, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, and I just be sitting back
Speaker 4: like the proud father in the room, like yeah, I
Speaker 4: did that. And it says a lot that you got
Speaker 4: to call like a fucking superhero.
Speaker 1: We need this right, like quest loved the King of
Speaker 1: like ordination, because it's it's almost like, if you want
Speaker 1: to if you want hip hop, if you.
Speaker 4: Want to congratulate, to celebrate hip hop, and you wanted
Speaker 4: to be done right, it's only a few people you're
Speaker 4: gonna be able to call.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little less than for you, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, how did I think about it.
Speaker 2: Especially with proper historical context? Ouse, who else you expect
Speaker 2: enough that you think that could do this?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, black thought could Okay, I thought.
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is like you're making it
Speaker 1: makes sense and didn't have the crowd participate.
Speaker 2: Like what you did at BT Awards was like.
Speaker 1: So fucking I know, I'm bouncing around, but it was
Speaker 1: so brilliant because you were showing love to the to
Speaker 1: the to the to the old school, but you was
Speaker 1: even showing the new school people that was dead that
Speaker 1: they actually subconstoantly knew this.
Speaker 2: Like I was watching this ship by the way there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were there.
Speaker 1: We were there, so so we were watching the old
Speaker 1: school people feel appreciated, but we were watching the new
Speaker 1: school people.
Speaker 2: Feel a part of it.
Speaker 1: I bridge the bridge in that gap like that, And
Speaker 1: I was like wow, and you you was I say
Speaker 1: this behind your backs, got to say it to your
Speaker 1: front face. You were so brilliant of using the lines
Speaker 1: that was like so so like like because you heard
Speaker 1: this in your mom's house university, they knew the hip
Speaker 1: even if they didn't know it, even if they never
Speaker 1: heard that record live or heard that record. If you
Speaker 1: say somebody that's grown up in hip hop, you have
Speaker 1: to Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that was that whole fifty fifty if year hip
Speaker 4: hop wrap up. I didn't even want to do that
Speaker 4: ship like when they called me. When when Jesse Collins
Speaker 4: called me.
Speaker 2: That's the guy that produces BT, he.
Speaker 4: Produces all of the awards shows. He called me and
Speaker 4: he was like yo. When he pitched it, He's like,
Speaker 4: I got an idea I want to pitch to you.
Speaker 3: I was like, what's up.
Speaker 4: He was like, I was thinking about a fifty year
Speaker 4: hip hop wrap up on the BET Awards and I
Speaker 4: was thinking maybe you could write it. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I could do that and he was like yeah, okay, cool.
Speaker 4: So let me know who your people is and I
Speaker 4: could make the connection.
Speaker 3: Da da da da.
Speaker 4: I was like, well, who who's in it? He was
Speaker 4: like it's for the BET Awards. I said yeah, but like,
Speaker 4: who's gonna who's in it? He was like, I was
Speaker 4: thinking you was in. I was like, I'll do it
Speaker 4: for you. I heard what you say. He was like yeah,
Speaker 4: he said, but it can't be no longer than two minutes.
Speaker 4: He said, I know. I know, asking for you to
Speaker 4: wrap up fifty years hip Hop in two minutes. I
Speaker 4: know you're gonna miss some shit. It's cool, but can
Speaker 4: you do it in two minutes? I was like yeah,
Speaker 4: I said, who, who's gonna say it? I'm still nice?
Speaker 4: I was right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was like, so you could knock it down, send
Speaker 3: me a draft.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get you with Adam Blackstone and then we're
Speaker 4: gonna rehearse and then we're gonna shoot the awards on
Speaker 4: the twenty fifth. So I go, who's gonna say it?
Speaker 4: He was like you, I said, say what he said
Speaker 4: the rapper I said on BT. He was like yeah,
Speaker 4: I said live. He was like, yeah, we the was
Speaker 4: is live and you remember it this minute it was
Speaker 4: Remember it was a writer strike, so it wasn't no
Speaker 4: writer right, but they but if they if they didn't
Speaker 4: do the show, they would have missed the fiftieth year
Speaker 4: hip Hop.
Speaker 3: So he's like, I was thinking, you can do it.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I said, well, yo, I had I had a gig
Speaker 4: with out of town, but let me call him and
Speaker 4: tell him I'm gonna have to cancel and I call
Speaker 4: you back. Let me just let me cancel this gig.
Speaker 4: He was like, all right, cool, hit me back this myself.
Speaker 4: I hang the phone up. I look at my man said,
Speaker 4: I'm not doing that shit. He was like, what do
Speaker 4: you mean? I said, Bro, I'm not getting on BT
Speaker 4: and doing no fifty year wrap up.
Speaker 2: He said, who else they gonna get to do it?
Speaker 1: Skill, I ain't gonna lot who's your man name? Let's
Speaker 1: pick him up money DJ Money exactly if I was
Speaker 1: in the car with you when you got that call,
Speaker 1: that's exactly how I.
Speaker 4: Show so much time the story goes. So he says,
Speaker 4: I said, bro, I can't do that. He was like why,
Speaker 4: I said, Bro, do you understand I've done the rap
Speaker 4: up for twenty years. Do you know what it's gonna
Speaker 4: look like if I get on TV and fuck up
Speaker 4: the wrap up?
Speaker 3: And he was like, you're not gonna fuck that shit up?
Speaker 3: I said, Bro, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't be boring like that.
Speaker 4: I just right. I ain't even I gotta do a
Speaker 4: red car. I'm not doing that shit. He's like, Nah,
Speaker 4: you gotta do it, Son, you gotta do it. So
Speaker 4: they talked me into it. I go to LA, I
Speaker 4: wrote it. I wrote a small piece and I did
Speaker 4: it over the instrumental for Maybag Music right, just as
Speaker 4: a skeleton, like this is what I wanted to sound like.
Speaker 4: I want the band to play some crazy strings. I
Speaker 4: wanted to sound ill that we're gonna I get there.
Speaker 4: They got the shoot on the on the Jumbo on
Speaker 4: the tail, the teleprompt. I ain't never fucking looked at
Speaker 4: a teleprompt. I'm rehearsing this ship. I'm reading the words
Speaker 4: the lady on the teleprompt that got the ship all back.
Speaker 4: But she got DJ cool flash after.
Speaker 2: The hand bottle.
Speaker 4: Like I'm spastic because I'm like, this ain't right, like so,
Speaker 4: but you know, oh, you get two minutes to rehearse,
Speaker 4: then we gotta go on to I'm like, y'all, bro,
Speaker 4: I'm not doing this ship. I'm telling about whole I
Speaker 4: got my whole squad, and I'm like, bro, I'm not
Speaker 4: doing this shit. I'm not going on TV and fucking
Speaker 4: up the round. I'm gonna be a mean bro. They
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna be playing for the rest of my life.
Speaker 4: They're like, nah, you got it, you got it. I
Speaker 4: go back to rehearsal the next day. She got the
Speaker 4: names right, but I still don't. I still don't like it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, so, how's the big play like? Your
Speaker 4: skills ain't no band? I said, what you mean? Shout
Speaker 4: added black song? He said, Yo, it's just tracks.
Speaker 2: I said, well, Yo, what the fuck the nigga's over
Speaker 2: there with God.
Speaker 4: Last for He said, Oh, that's for Bust the tribute
Speaker 4: they doing, I said, I said, but it's not real.
Speaker 4: It's just the track. I said, Bro, you want me
Speaker 4: to do it over Mayback music? He was like, nigga,
Speaker 4: you got beef from Rick Rosses. I said, Bro, I
Speaker 4: fuck y'all was gonna play something live? He said, skills,
Speaker 4: It ain't no band, he said, trust me, just do
Speaker 4: it over the track. I'm like, if I do it
Speaker 4: over the track, then that means I gotta spit it.
Speaker 4: It's got to be on tempo. If I fuck up
Speaker 4: the beat, keep going with me. How far off from
Speaker 4: the show two days out?
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm walking around in my head.
Speaker 4: Just what I was saying, these balls over and over
Speaker 4: because I can't funk up on TV show day come.
Speaker 3: You know how they do.
Speaker 4: They keep They get you there at ten in the morning,
Speaker 4: they keep you there all fucking day. Then the show comes,
Speaker 4: they start whole skills, You're gonna take you to your
Speaker 4: see I ain't even a no award showing years. I
Speaker 4: see I see you on the red car. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: this is it's lit. I get there. I'm watching everybody
Speaker 4: else'll farm, d nice and see light. They're doing all
Speaker 4: the little tributes on the stage, kicking priest, everybody killing it.
Speaker 2: But they doing songs.
Speaker 4: I basically got two minutes acapella at the BT war.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I go back to the trailer. I got the track on.
Speaker 4: I'm walking around. I'm trying to remember the ship. Blah
Speaker 4: blahh holy this bitch on the teleprompter, don't fuck it up.
Speaker 2: Skills are ready for you, mad, skills are ready. I'm like,
Speaker 2: fuck all right.
Speaker 3: I throw my fitt on, my drippings on.
Speaker 2: I go out there.
Speaker 4: I walk over and Patty Lavelle standing next to me,
Speaker 4: which was last time I said she was shooting the
Speaker 4: day you got. I'm watching Patti LaBelle. Patty LeBell goes
Speaker 4: before me. I believe she did a Tina Turner tribute.
Speaker 4: Patti LaBelle goes on stage, starts singing Tina Turner and
Speaker 4: forgets the words.
Speaker 2: I look at Twitter they dragging Patty LaBelle. I'm like,
Speaker 2: but you think they're gonna.
Speaker 4: Because when we at home and we watch a tribute,
Speaker 4: the first thing you think is when somebody fuck up,
Speaker 4: they we'll be like this, this is a call so
Speaker 4: and so to do that, he would have nailed there,
Speaker 4: and like, Yo, how Patty up there sucking up the
Speaker 4: words to get Patty out of here?
Speaker 3: They should have called letisy.
Speaker 2: They should have.
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there like, yo, skills, you up. They
Speaker 4: put me on the fucking joint. I'm sitting in the
Speaker 4: middle of the stage and you know how the awards are.
Speaker 4: We need everybody to their seats in one minute, motherfucker. Still, Yo,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call you fan.
Speaker 2: Noise, don't around, don't don't hit my arm.
Speaker 4: Brother all this ship we're live in thirty minutes. I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there like saying the words back and forth, back
Speaker 4: and forth. All right, and we're on in China. They
Speaker 4: do the countdown. You hear MC light, go ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 4: introducing mad Skills.
Speaker 2: I walk out.
Speaker 4: The fucking music starts playing and I look right in
Speaker 4: front of.
Speaker 2: Me and it's Buster Rhyme sitting right there with his family.
Speaker 1: And Bust they got the lifetime.
Speaker 4: So Buster is sitting there with his whole family. You
Speaker 4: can't the dudeon Dragon. I say the first line of
Speaker 4: the song a y'all was born in seventy three, not
Speaker 4: even she would realize what she would grow up to be.
Speaker 4: Buster goes facts, you know, and I just look at
Speaker 4: Buster and I just started saying the rest. It was
Speaker 4: almost like when we were in a cipher you spend
Speaker 4: with me, I said the whole shout out to Bust
Speaker 4: the rhymes. He probably don't even know how much he
Speaker 4: helped me that day because I.
Speaker 2: Ain't even looking at it. Tell Aprodum.
Speaker 4: I just I had somebody that was hip hop, h
Speaker 4: my lifeline, and I said it and I spitted the
Speaker 4: bus And when I got to the last line, you
Speaker 4: never thought that hip hop and bus was like take
Speaker 4: it this farm shot bus man.
Speaker 1: Because you know, I want to I'm gonna say skills
Speaker 1: you know, were a big of BT real quick because
Speaker 1: for the past couple of years, like them me even
Speaker 1: having you like to know that you you to curate
Speaker 1: that section and the Awards show, like their ward show,
Speaker 1: I've been going I'm not a war show guy, because
Speaker 1: I got a d D. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I move around too much, you know, from the
Speaker 1: resource room, special education, which up, y'all, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So you know I haven't I haven't been good,
Speaker 1: but I've been going these last years, and not only
Speaker 1: have they made me feel welcome, they got the getting
Speaker 1: it would say, I would say they ninety eight. Of
Speaker 1: course on the award show is always gonna be hiccups.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be an artist that wants yellow peanuts,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and.
Speaker 2: Purple grenades. You know what I'm saying, Little peanuts and
Speaker 2: purple grenades. Yeah, you know how that ship is. So
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But they've been doing it and I wanted to big
Speaker 1: up you know, the whole bet staff man being professional
Speaker 1: and in that whole statu Yeah Jesse, Yeah, yeah, Jesse's doing.
Speaker 2: His thing and moving on.
Speaker 1: But you just picked him up. But I want a
Speaker 1: big mom because I spoke to him this morning. It's
Speaker 1: crazy because for years since recently, back then on Violator,
Speaker 1: we would both be late night guys like him, stay
Speaker 1: at the studio late, you know. Now I'm on early
Speaker 1: in the morning person like I'm up and me a
Speaker 1: bus I only speak the bus from five to seven
Speaker 1: in the morning, right and he's going in I'm waking up.
Speaker 1: So we've been missing each other. So the other day
Speaker 1: I just called them and I was just like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: and I was like, don't change the subject.
Speaker 2: And he was like, what do you mean. I was like,
Speaker 2: don't change this stuff.
Speaker 1: I know how you you reflect, you turn it back
Speaker 1: on me and I don't want the props right now.
Speaker 2: I want to just talk to you. And he was like,
Speaker 2: what's up.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I don't think there's no other
Speaker 1: artists doing it at the level that you're doing it
Speaker 1: for this long. He's selling our shows every fucking night.
Speaker 1: And I say, in your outfice looks like he's twenty
Speaker 1: fifty nine, Like he's not. He's in a few he passed,
Speaker 1: he passed me. He's on some different shit Like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, I'm just proud
Speaker 1: of him and it's my friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you gotta love it. Man.
Speaker 3: To watch where he come from.
Speaker 4: In the trophy stipulations that bust and been through, he
Speaker 4: still got the same squad, still scratch it to a
Speaker 4: still split you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They still mash it energy, not even more.
Speaker 4: One of the best performers and lyricists artists in this.
Speaker 3: Game, man like I love where he coming.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's inspirational to watch artists from from our
Speaker 4: from our era still flourishing. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like I get, I get a lot of flak for
Speaker 4: for saying this, but I still believe it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying Like I always said.
Speaker 4: It, and it's probably more relevant now today than it
Speaker 4: is when I was saying it. I've been saying this
Speaker 4: five ten years. There is no rapper bigger, more famous,
Speaker 4: got the best hip hop catalog, can wake up in
Speaker 4: the morning and do everything that he want to do,
Speaker 4: and go to bed at night and do everything he
Speaker 4: did that day and never changed who he was and is.
Speaker 2: As a person. And that's Snoop Doggie dog hands down.
Speaker 4: There is no rapper yo, bigger, more famous than got
Speaker 4: a better catabu than Snoop.
Speaker 1: Let me just say something, because I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say this other than basketball volleyball. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've watched the handball, break dances, break
Speaker 1: fucked me up.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't just don't take the one chick for.
Speaker 6: Don't break dances, break break your legs back two of
Speaker 6: them from Florida.
Speaker 2: So let me just tell you something.
Speaker 1: I've never wanted to watch the Olympics in my life
Speaker 1: ever because of Sue Snoop.
Speaker 2: He was still being Snoop. He cripped walk with the
Speaker 2: motherfucker DRNK. That was hard. That was hard.
Speaker 1: I was like, I almost didn't I almost didn't want
Speaker 1: him to grip walk. But by the way, it was
Speaker 1: a white person crip walll yo. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know what to say. He did it, but he
Speaker 1: represented hip hop so good, like he didn't have to burn,
Speaker 1: he didn't have to drink like you knew he was
Speaker 1: really his eyes were still on Snoop's eyes.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He represented America, but in the circle of America that's us.
Speaker 6: He did such a great job, every incredible jocket.
Speaker 2: When he watched the hurdles and the people with hurdles
Speaker 2: and they just like like, I'm like, oh, I was
Speaker 2: yo o.
Speaker 4: Other rapper yes yea from five years old to eighty
Speaker 4: five years old. That person doosed everybody for that age
Speaker 4: and still in between knows exactly who he is. Yes,
Speaker 4: you don't see him and go yo, Man, dude, look
Speaker 4: like Snoop dog You see him and go yo, that's
Speaker 4: Snoop Dog Like from a from a murder Case to
Speaker 4: the Olympics to America's.
Speaker 1: Is that the name album? From a murder Case to
Speaker 1: the Olympics? Bro, that's all. I don't know of no
Speaker 1: rapper in the world that could do that.
Speaker 4: And in his catalog and people always say, oh skills,
Speaker 4: now you that that that that that no Limited album
Speaker 4: was trash skills. Snoop don't got the best catalog and
Speaker 4: hip hop. I'm like, bro, when I say catalog, I
Speaker 4: say songs that people know you for a song that
Speaker 4: you are on and you're performing in your show.
Speaker 3: That's a part of your catalog.
Speaker 4: Snoop got so many records that you forget that he's
Speaker 4: on that transcend him sid hip hop. I saw Snoop
Speaker 4: Dogg in Amsterdam. This might have been twenty ten, twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: He came out on stage. Willie Nelson had a show
Speaker 4: the next day. Snoop got a show this night. I
Speaker 4: come to watch Snoop Snoop come on stage at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 4: This motherfucker performed forty five minutes. The first forty five
Speaker 4: minutes was just guest appearances, and they was all hits.
Speaker 3: I'm talking P I M P.
Speaker 4: You forget he on that he was gonna fuck them
Speaker 4: up and niggas because he was doing that.
Speaker 2: By the time this.
Speaker 4: Mother wugan did forty five minutes of guest appearances. By
Speaker 4: the time Midnight hit the first Snoop Dogg song he did,
Speaker 4: he was like, dude, superfly, I said, matn Snooper, you
Speaker 4: ain't even did none of.
Speaker 3: Your shit, hummy, and all your years dud do juice.
Speaker 4: I was like, I didn't realize he had that many songs,
Speaker 4: like Snoop has so many And here's another clincher, all
Speaker 4: of the hits they all got his name in them.
Speaker 4: So you on stage, are you going You don't even
Speaker 4: realize that you're going Snoop or Snoop dom Snoop, Like, bro,
Speaker 4: he got so many records that you forget he owned Snoop.
Speaker 2: Let be like, oh, he'll.
Speaker 3: Had no hiss. He he had no recess.
Speaker 2: I'm like yo. His last hit was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: He was on fucking I'm living my best life.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna how many records he own.
Speaker 1: I forgot that.
Speaker 4: Nobody got more nobody ll I love you whole second
Speaker 4: second close. But Snoop got the best hip hop kalog ever.
Speaker 4: Because you don't think that he's on these records. The
Speaker 4: last thing that you think about when you hit one, two,
Speaker 4: three into the folk.
Speaker 3: You don't even know, you don't even don't register you.
Speaker 2: That's not even his song.
Speaker 4: That's Doctor Dre's song. When Snoop come on saves and go,
Speaker 4: that's not even his song. He got so many, bro,
Speaker 4: he got too many records. Man, Like, that's the one
Speaker 4: person I ain't met yet that I want to meet
Speaker 4: because I'm like, never met Snoop in my life.
Speaker 6: Two times alumni and I take you Snoop, I tell
Speaker 6: I tell Fuzzy told me he hit me.
Speaker 2: I got the text to prove.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, I'm gonna come and see you
Speaker 1: at the Olympics. But I didn't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: he was talking about back then.
Speaker 2: We know now.
Speaker 1: I thought he was hot, and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this nigga is hosting the fucking Olympics.
Speaker 2: One of the.
Speaker 4: American listen and he never changes who he is. That's
Speaker 4: the best part. He doesn't compromise himself. Doesn't compromise. You
Speaker 4: know what you get when you book Snoop? Love that dude?
Speaker 2: Who's your favorite rapper? Rock him? I can see that.
Speaker 4: My whole DNA is rock Him and Kane.
Speaker 2: Your top five in no particular order, no particular order.
Speaker 3: Five is black.
Speaker 4: Thought, Okay, number ice Cube, you don't like Ice. Number
Speaker 4: three is whole, just not as much as you. Number
Speaker 4: two is Kane. Number one is rock Him. Because I'm
Speaker 4: the type of person I can't put people in front
Speaker 4: of the person that they influenced, hole in front of Cain.
Speaker 2: But you can't. But you didn't put Snoop in there.
Speaker 4: Nah, Snoop famous, I said famous in catalog, no disrespect.
Speaker 4: I've never I ain't heard Snoop say a line in
Speaker 4: a few years and I'll be like, oh.
Speaker 2: That's a hard ball.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just Snoopy doing what he do, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? And when he when he stopped
Speaker 4: focusing on trying to be the best m C and
Speaker 4: started focusing on making songs that people remember and being memorable,
Speaker 4: Drake taught him that he went into a different space
Speaker 4: but rock Him and Kane are my whole d n A.
Speaker 2: You realize rock Him didn't curse, Yes.
Speaker 3: He did, he did one.
Speaker 6: Somebody said, Mahogan mahogany, right, yeah, someone said, y'all, y'all
Speaker 6: lie into the people is.
Speaker 4: Such a dope record. I don't remember that the r
Speaker 4: missed the show. That's the only time I ever heard.
Speaker 2: Him curse your manicure on point.
Speaker 4: That's never just shut like I feel like every it's
Speaker 4: like a haircut.
Speaker 3: He got two hands. I got to take my hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's been shot. QUI quick time?
Speaker 4: You got it? Well, listen, what's going on with these shots?
Speaker 4: Who's doing?
Speaker 2: What? Sonny?
Speaker 1: Gonna drink from me?
Speaker 2: You got a ring? All right, Sonny? Come in? You
Speaker 2: want to drive? You? Yeah? He driving?
Speaker 4: Okay, You're gonna have to take some shots. You can
Speaker 4: make a small shot.
Speaker 3: We can say water shot, not water shot.
Speaker 2: Say small shots.
Speaker 3: Unless you want Sonny to drink for you. Who's sunny
Speaker 3: can drink?
Speaker 2: Money means you right here drink?
Speaker 3: Come on, Sonny.
Speaker 4: I'm doing the first one of them too, But I
Speaker 4: have one shot with me at least. Of course I've
Speaker 4: been drinking. Of course, I don't know this was sober
Speaker 4: Champs today.
Speaker 1: Have a shot.
Speaker 2: But I guess you felt what you're looking to see
Speaker 2: what you missed? No, no, no, this quick time is live,
Speaker 2: this is this is all we played this last you
Speaker 2: know the rules.
Speaker 3: I don't think we.
Speaker 2: Didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't get this and I didn't.
Speaker 2: So then you orders have some drinks here because you
Speaker 2: might not drink. It's up to you.
Speaker 6: Come on, Okay, So we're gonna give you two choices.
Speaker 6: If you pick one, you don't drink. Nobody drinks. If
Speaker 6: I pick one, nobody drinks. Nobody drinks.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: If you say both or neither the PC answer, we
Speaker 4: all drink. So if I say that, if I say
Speaker 4: the PC answer, we all got to drink.
Speaker 2: We all do that now we've.
Speaker 4: Been doing it, started this ship after I'll do like
Speaker 4: the flowers and this number when I was here and.
Speaker 3: I did give me, give me five rappers that have
Speaker 3: never been your.
Speaker 2: Top five, y'all niggas, they got me a quick time?
Speaker 2: You ready this one? Wait?
Speaker 4: One more?
Speaker 2: One more thing?
Speaker 4: Anybody that we mentioned this is all positive story, any
Speaker 4: story with them, just let's bring it up.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. I bet I see where y'all
Speaker 2: going with this.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's the Colombian and the Dominican over there.
Speaker 6: Let's give him some small I don't have to be
Speaker 6: crazy because it's a long game.
Speaker 2: Karras or m share.
Speaker 4: KRS any story with cars. I do remember a time
Speaker 4: when uh he had a song and everybody in my
Speaker 4: neighborhood I had, I think the non fact that was
Speaker 4: I was popping a little bit. Everybody was like, yo,
Speaker 4: KRS got a song. He this ship out and I
Speaker 4: was like, what are you talking about? They was like,
Speaker 4: no kr Res got song. It's crazy, And I'm like
Speaker 4: what what He's like, Nah, he dissed you.
Speaker 2: You gotta go at him.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm not rapping against no krres one
Speaker 4: way I'm talking about So that I finally hear the
Speaker 4: song and I think it was MC's act like they
Speaker 4: don't know and he said he said, MCS can only
Speaker 4: better with punchline rhymes or something.
Speaker 3: He was like, that's the problem.
Speaker 4: You have no skills like and I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't see talking about me. And I remember, I remember
Speaker 4: there was this one thing that he said back in
Speaker 4: the day. He was like, Yo, if you're in the
Speaker 4: top ten or you I got already already got enough
Speaker 4: for you. So I was like, all right, I gotta
Speaker 4: write him around for Chris, and I wrote, I'm young,
Speaker 4: I'm like twenty two twenties.
Speaker 3: I wrote around and did Jersey.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this rhyn?
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: In case I came, because you know, Chris don't give
Speaker 4: a fucks. Back in those days, I might have saw Chris.
Speaker 4: He'd been like I was absolutely talking about. But I
Speaker 4: would hope that Chris will will see me say that
Speaker 4: and say I taught him well because I had a ball.
Speaker 4: I had some balls to him too, like he had
Speaker 4: everybody else. We need to ask him if that bar
Speaker 4: was was about you?
Speaker 2: The okay? Big L or Big punt hm hmm rest Yeah.
Speaker 4: I used to get a lot of Big L comparisons
Speaker 4: when I first because.
Speaker 3: We both had that nasally.
Speaker 4: But but hearing Big L back in the stretching Barbido days,
Speaker 4: when I would hear Big L and I started, it
Speaker 4: was two.
Speaker 2: It was a couple of rappers.
Speaker 4: That I knew they we were similar and it was
Speaker 4: common and it was Big L. But Big L had
Speaker 4: a rhyme pattern that I was like, if I'm a
Speaker 4: round I can't do that. I can't do what he's
Speaker 4: doing because Big L would do y'all, I'm a wild
Speaker 4: child with the wild style. Your guns go boom boom,
Speaker 4: my guns go pile pole from haul them up to
Speaker 4: like he would always do double syllables and then and
Speaker 4: so I was like, I can't ever rap like that.
Speaker 2: I already got a voice that sounds like him. Boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the voice he was Common was heavier to the line.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So if something happened and you to put it in
Speaker 4: a ball, coming already got it in a record by
Speaker 4: the time you say it in the sight of like
Speaker 4: all you biting Common see, like damn this nigga. But
Speaker 4: he was on Relativity, so Common Records singles was coming
Speaker 4: out of Crazy. But they were saying this in his
Speaker 4: first album when he was doing that that that's certain
Speaker 4: that flow that he had changed afterwards. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 4: every time I heard Big L. He used to run
Speaker 4: that that that pattern back and forth. But pun was
Speaker 4: one of my favorites, the way he would put words together.
Speaker 2: So I would have to say big punt l l
Speaker 2: O cannabis h y'all for realigas questions?
Speaker 4: All right, I Love, I love L. I saw I
Speaker 4: saw L one time back in the day at this
Speaker 4: club in DC called Love Nightclub. Sounds like L belong
Speaker 4: there violated days, you know what I'm saying. L was
Speaker 4: killing him, you know, and he was. I saw him
Speaker 4: going up the steps and and you know, just after
Speaker 4: the this after the second run running. So I don't
Speaker 4: really want to run and I don't want to speak
Speaker 4: to none of my heroes because running all fucking dirty,
Speaker 4: which is a classic hip hop Oh I have I
Speaker 4: have an extension for that run that run story tell.
Speaker 4: So I see L coming up the steps and L says,
Speaker 4: I said, Yo, what's up?
Speaker 2: Man? My name Mask.
Speaker 3: He's like, I know you all beat? Yo, you dope, man,
Speaker 3: you dope.
Speaker 4: You still't put it up.
Speaker 3: You don't put it on enough records.
Speaker 2: Beat. And I was like, I'm all fucking rocks, Like
Speaker 2: what do you want me to do? Like you want
Speaker 2: me to make him put my shit? He was like, yo, yo,
Speaker 2: put some more records out. Beat. I was like, damn
Speaker 2: some records, you know what I mean. Like the fact
Speaker 2: that he knew it.
Speaker 4: Was like, so yeah, I'll have to say ll he
Speaker 4: did cannabis dirty.
Speaker 2: But one thing I want to.
Speaker 6: Say about Cannabis is that we can't we can't say that. Like,
Speaker 6: I think people forget how it was that moment that
Speaker 6: Cannabis had when he came out on the mixtapes, on
Speaker 6: the Clue mixtapes, Oh insane, like the bars that he had,
Speaker 6: Like everybody was going crazy over cannabis, and I think
Speaker 6: what happened between him and LL kind of people forgot
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 3: He just caught a bad one.
Speaker 1: Ll L.
Speaker 4: LL is probably and this is just from me viewing
Speaker 4: him from then till now. LL is probably the most
Speaker 4: competitive rapper in the fucking world. Like he he seems
Speaker 4: like one of those people. He likes to compete, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I'll never forget when I heard
Speaker 4: the who Shot Your Record? And I remember seeing the
Speaker 4: video and Keith Murray was in the beginning with it
Speaker 4: was all black and white, and then they had box
Speaker 4: in the video and then LL came out. LL was like,
Speaker 4: your female rappers can get it too.
Speaker 3: I was like, damn what Foxy dude, Like, Yo, that's just.
Speaker 2: Like damn LLL.
Speaker 4: He still seems very competitive, which I guess that's you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's what drives him, and that's dope, dope, he
Speaker 4: still has. Wish I could have had that career like
Speaker 4: that career is amazing. To do what he did and
Speaker 4: to see what he's still doing. Yeah, man, I saw
Speaker 4: the love of doing that ship with the roots and
Speaker 4: amazing show. And he was doing all this shit. He
Speaker 4: was doing our songs, all walking with a panther. Now
Speaker 4: he wearing bell bottoms. Let that man do what he
Speaker 4: let listen from Queens, y'all got y'all the best borrow
Speaker 4: for the rappers.
Speaker 2: Man, that's my hero, Okay. I mean we know that
Speaker 2: Kendrick or Drake Kendrick. We already did that. Cuba coming.
Speaker 3: Coming hm hmm.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't tell him that story. Well, please tell us.
Speaker 6: It's just us, right, No, I'll tell you. I tell
Speaker 6: you because I never told this before. So I'm all raucous, right.
Speaker 6: And I did this record call so Far, So Good,
Speaker 6: and I'm in Philly. I'm in Philly and somebody called this.
Speaker 6: This is in two thousands. Somebody called a studio phone.
Speaker 6: They call it stupid phone studio. My manager goes, Yo,
Speaker 6: it's a dude on the phone, and they say they
Speaker 6: want to talk to you about clearing a song.
Speaker 4: I was like, who is it. He's a guy named
Speaker 4: Derek Dudley. He say, man, it's common I was like,
Speaker 4: common common sense. He's like yeah, like oh shit, I'll
Speaker 4: get on the phone. Comic gets me on the phone.
Speaker 4: I'm like, he's like, yo, what's up. I'm like, what's up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: He was like, Yo, so listen, I got this record man.
Speaker 4: And I think he was on Giffing or whatever he
Speaker 4: was on. He's like, and we shooting a video today.
Speaker 4: He was like, but if I don't get all these
Speaker 4: samples clear, they not They not going there's no budget,
Speaker 4: they're not going through with it. I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: why you need me. He's like, I Premo sampled your voice.
Speaker 4: And I was like, what record is that he likes.
Speaker 4: It's a record called the Game and I was like,
Speaker 4: huh he said the line to me. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, that is me. He's like, yeah, Premot, scratch
Speaker 4: you into the hook, like, yo, where you at?
Speaker 3: You near a fax machine?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Can I get this clid like today? And I was
Speaker 4: like yeah. Like he was like, yo, if you ever
Speaker 4: need anything.
Speaker 3: Let me know.
Speaker 4: And I was like, actually, I'm all raucous. I'm you know,
Speaker 4: I'm still trying to get there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like I would love a verse And he was like
Speaker 4: all right, cool, yeah I got you. So I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, Bet said, we're gonna fact you over the paperwork.
Speaker 4: I said, all right, bet. My manager goes, who's my
Speaker 4: cousin at? He said, what do you say? I said,
Speaker 4: they want me to clear this record. My manager goes,
Speaker 4: WHOA get that ship in right, because I know how
Speaker 4: it is when it's your turn. Niggas disappeared. I was
Speaker 4: like what I said, maybe in the real billboard hip
Speaker 4: hop where it's raucous and common. Bro like we this
Speaker 4: ain't death Jam and Electra like your kids say right,
Speaker 4: we come from the same car.
Speaker 2: He like skills. Get that ship in.
Speaker 4: Right, said Bro. But he needs the video he needed
Speaker 4: clean today. He was like, I'm telling you, get to
Speaker 4: get the paperwork. I said, no, I'm not gonna. I
Speaker 4: called quest Love Yo is comic good?
Speaker 2: Is he good? Good?
Speaker 3: I called you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I called black though. He's like, yeah, yeah, good Bro.
Speaker 4: I said, all right, man, they fashion over I signed
Speaker 4: and send it back my record time. I can't find
Speaker 4: this right and Rashid I love you. I never told
Speaker 4: him this. I can't find him. The labels like, yo,
Speaker 4: this is the first single, this is dope. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: I got a Common com and gonna do.
Speaker 3: A verse on his perfect They like, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I remember I went to a lock show.
Speaker 2: Locks was NVA and I was telling styles and stop.
Speaker 4: I remember Style saying, yo, beloved, if sh it is
Speaker 4: up on you all the sun, the game is done.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I can't find this thing. And
Speaker 4: this Common was heavy on his acting ship right, So
Speaker 4: we get we get ready shoot, I hit Tyler Qui.
Speaker 4: I said, Yo, I need a verse. Tyl Lip does
Speaker 4: the verse. He on Rockers too. He's like, y'all got you,
Speaker 4: So we get me shoot the video.
Speaker 2: Common. Common kept going to.
Speaker 4: Different studios and they was trying to run you not
Speaker 4: used to run the budget up. So they're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: we need you know, we need chun king for eight hours.
Speaker 3: We need a full budget.
Speaker 4: Ain't no Rockers Like yeah, nah, we got twenty five
Speaker 4: hundred dollars. You got four hours in in Caught.
Speaker 3: It's not about to be.
Speaker 4: He finally cuts the verse and I'm like, damn, this
Speaker 4: ship is done. He killed DA six months later though,
Speaker 4: so my ship been delayed. I've been waiting on this verse.
Speaker 4: Chris Robinson's gonna shoot the video for me. Who's doing
Speaker 4: all his videos? But Chris Robinson's a little brother. Chris
Speaker 4: Robinson was like, skills, your video budget is so cheap.
Speaker 3: I can't put my name on.
Speaker 4: Rosin Rokys ain't spending no brand like that. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do the video, but I'm gonna sign it off on
Speaker 4: my little my.
Speaker 2: Little robot Films.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, right boom, Chris shoot, heren't shoot the video,
Speaker 4: probably send me the treatment. Crazy I hit. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to find coming. I just I just want you to
Speaker 4: be in a video. I can't find a nigga again.
Speaker 4: We we nine months late.
Speaker 6: But you never got to hold him, so it's not
Speaker 6: like you don't know if he's thisssing you.
Speaker 3: But then here it comes it.
Speaker 4: Ass, here's the ship I got over, But here's the ship.
Speaker 4: He's in Budapest or some shit, shooting a movie, right,
Speaker 4: I think it was that movie with Angelina Joe Lee
Speaker 4: or whatever where they were shoot. They used to remember
Speaker 4: him shooting. They was doing the guns and the bullet
Speaker 4: remember that. I get him on the phone. I said, yo, man,
Speaker 4: like this is my first and I'm really I'm really adamant.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I watched your career. I watched how
Speaker 4: You Move like we come from the same cloth. Like
Speaker 4: it's my video. It's the first single, and and this
Speaker 4: nigga tells me. This nigga says, yeah, I'm not I'm
Speaker 4: not really trying to do no videos right now. I said, bro,
Speaker 4: But Chris Rabbinson is shooting it. He just shot nine of.
Speaker 2: Your Laste that's the remember the Text to five video.
Speaker 3: He shot all his videos.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, Chris Rapbinson is shooting and he just
Speaker 4: tells me no, like blatantly, like nah, I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to shoot no video with you, And I'm like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck is this? Months later, he do a movie
Speaker 4: in a movie come out with Queen La Teeth just right.
Speaker 2: Remember he was the leading man.
Speaker 4: See I Love You. But this is the story. I
Speaker 4: got this on dreams, not to keep it a bean,
Speaker 4: and they promoted the movie. But they doing it like
Speaker 4: like grassroots. They at theaters like yo, Queen Latifa is
Speaker 4: at low sixteen and communists.
Speaker 3: I was with Jazzy Jeff.
Speaker 4: We was at the Palms in Las Vegas and Rashi
Speaker 4: is downstairs Common. That's he's downstairs with the little table
Speaker 4: out front and people coming to see the movie. And
Speaker 4: Jeff like, Yo, let's go downstairs and check out Common
Speaker 4: and Latifa movie.
Speaker 3: I always see that ship.
Speaker 4: Jeff going on, don't know okay, petty game my full
Speaker 4: I go downstairs. Common is downstairs chilling, and I see
Speaker 4: him and I'm looking at him like you you low
Speaker 4: key kind of just jerked me, like you call me.
Speaker 4: You called me one day and you needed something right
Speaker 4: there and I got it off for you. And then
Speaker 4: when it's time for.
Speaker 2: Me, you ain't.
Speaker 4: You ain't return to favor like yo, you I never
Speaker 4: think you would be foul. Like That's how I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: I see him, Hey, peace, Peace, how's the brother man?
Speaker 2: Peace?
Speaker 3: Peace King?
Speaker 2: I'm like peace. I feel like Lawrence f Fast. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: piece is not gonna say this, ain't And I want
Speaker 2: to say it to him so bad.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, how's the brother man?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 3: Love love, you know it's all that.
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there going I'm really like I'm tight.
Speaker 2: I'm tight.
Speaker 4: The Jeff looking at me like, yo, what's up skills energy. Oh,
Speaker 4: we gonna watch the movie the whole I'm hating fuck
Speaker 4: this movie.
Speaker 3: We watched the movie.
Speaker 4: We watched the movie, We come back out, coming's still outside, Oh, Jesse.
Speaker 2: Jeff skills off piece piece, what y'all.
Speaker 3: Think of the movie? I'm like.
Speaker 4: Jeff was like, yo, it was dope. Man, told him,
Speaker 4: finally get to see you in the lead. Man, you
Speaker 4: don't He looked at me, and I don't. He probably
Speaker 4: don't even remember this. He was like, old skills man,
Speaker 4: what you think of a movie? I was like, yo,
Speaker 4: latif killed that ship. So I hold this grunge for years.
Speaker 2: He don't know this.
Speaker 4: He probably looking back like he probably gonna see this,
Speaker 4: like damn, I didn't do that video. And then like
Speaker 4: maybe like a couple of weeks ago, I was at
Speaker 4: the roof the Rooster did the Hollywood Ball and it
Speaker 4: was like the thing.
Speaker 3: They did in for the grads. It was Avery Jumble Brothers.
Speaker 4: And he came out and me and me and Rochie,
Speaker 4: me and com on stage doing E. P M. D
Speaker 4: versus going back and forth. So he probably don't you he't.
Speaker 4: I never told him this, but I was tight about
Speaker 4: that ship for years.
Speaker 2: But I had to let it go. But I was
Speaker 2: light go back to what what Style? So you again?
Speaker 4: Because I was just like I told Styles about the
Speaker 4: whole ship, you know, and it was, you know, it's
Speaker 4: the paperwork.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So Styles was like, yo, I'm not even smoking a
Speaker 4: blading like you're like, yo, skills and ship fucked up
Speaker 4: on y'all? You know this ship?
Speaker 1: What what do you mean by like the.
Speaker 2: Like, we don't be fucking with you?
Speaker 4: Hilarious like and.
Speaker 2: Every time I was seeing it was peace peace, How
Speaker 2: is the brother? And I'm like, I want to understand.
Speaker 3: Shut out the.
Speaker 2: You got a big holdo, holdo, holdo.
Speaker 1: So it was it was let me ask you this
Speaker 1: this before you keep going on. I can't believe is
Speaker 1: that word backpack, wrap up, derogatory?
Speaker 4: Hey man, I told you before. I think it's only
Speaker 4: two kinds of music. I think it's good music and
Speaker 4: bad music, you know what I'm saying. So they gonna
Speaker 4: categorize it regardless, and people gonna use things and they're gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, try to keep us in a box. But
Speaker 4: you know, right, I started, like bro, I started as
Speaker 4: a rapper.
Speaker 2: I've done. I'm a writer now I've done so.
Speaker 4: I did a movie since I've been going, like since
Speaker 4: I was here last like, and it was funny because
Speaker 4: y'all had rap Man on here right. I look at Supercell.
Speaker 4: I'm watching super Cell, just just watch it. Watched the
Speaker 4: first episode. I was like, damn, this shit is dope.
Speaker 4: I kept seeing created and written by rap Man. I
Speaker 4: was like, where the fuck do I know that name
Speaker 4: rap Man? So I know that name Rapman. Watched the
Speaker 4: whole series. I'm like, dag, I can't with season two.
Speaker 4: I come out tomorrow.
Speaker 2: This shit is crazy. Where the fuck do I know
Speaker 2: that name rap Man from? I went to his page.
Speaker 2: I looked at it. I was like, damn, whose son
Speaker 2: face sitting there? One day?
Speaker 3: I'm looking and.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh shit, I remember him. He used to
Speaker 4: do wrap ups in the UK. He started in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty twelve. He did wrap ups uptil like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: I used to see him all the time. I DMM
Speaker 4: when I go yo. I watched the show. I loved it.
Speaker 4: I knew, I knew your face you used to do.
Speaker 4: Then you used to do wrap ups back and he
Speaker 4: was like skills, bro, oh my yo took your shit.
Speaker 2: I was like, I knew I knew you.
Speaker 3: And he was like, oh, bro, man, I took your
Speaker 3: whole shit.
Speaker 4: I used to do a rap bulls Day and I
Speaker 4: was like, yo, I'm so crazy. So then I told him,
Speaker 4: I said, bro, to go from writing wrap ups to
Speaker 4: writing movies. I look at people like you, I look
Speaker 4: at people like Cube, I look at Queen Latifa.
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying. I've done a film
Speaker 3: since then.
Speaker 4: It's a documentary, but still I'm like, bro, to watch
Speaker 4: y'all do.
Speaker 2: That and and and.
Speaker 4: And rise up like that the skies, The sky's the
Speaker 4: limit for all of us. Man, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like hip hop is global. Shout the rat man man.
Speaker 2: And if you.
Speaker 3: What the episode as.
Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, dmx X because you know I had I
Speaker 4: had to X story before we was here, when X passed,
Speaker 4: when me and X was at the KFC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all remember when I.
Speaker 4: Was here last and uh we I went to the
Speaker 4: airport and DMX was at the airport and the flight
Speaker 4: to New York got delayed and my baby moms came
Speaker 4: back around and picked us both up and we went
Speaker 4: to get some chicken at KFC, and we walked into
Speaker 4: the KFC and the girls looking at us like, oh ship,
Speaker 4: I know these two niggas and she looking to X
Speaker 4: them say nothing. She's like, oh shit, I knew. And
Speaker 4: then DMX she's like, can I help y'all?
Speaker 2: Where you are?
Speaker 4: DMX is the information line. Let me get an a
Speaker 4: piece no skin. She's like, what, don't shit on my ship?
Speaker 4: And it's before boneless like any of that shit.
Speaker 2: This is ninety eight.
Speaker 4: So he I've never seen nobody ordered chicken with no skin.
Speaker 3: He got it, he ate it.
Speaker 4: We went back to the airport like five. We fly
Speaker 4: to JFK and it's it's a small plane, sixteen people
Speaker 4: in me and DMX in first class and he's telling
Speaker 4: me the whole premise of Belly because he about to
Speaker 4: go shoot it.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, I got smoothie.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying he box for me and ship you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, nah, it's gonna be crazy. And I'm sitting
Speaker 4: there like, yo, this nigga is wilding like and it's
Speaker 4: me DMX and like twelve white business and everybody hears
Speaker 4: the story. It's a small store, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? He come home. He go to Jamaica, shit,
Speaker 2: right did he come back? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But it's gonna be crazy like hype shot like a movie,
Speaker 4: and I'm saying, they're like, yo, can you bring it down?
Speaker 4: It feels a look you know you're not like yo,
Speaker 4: you gotta relax. But there was no telling X to relax.
Speaker 4: He was, he was how he was everywhere he went.
Speaker 4: Rest in peace to the dog Man. Messed that dude.
Speaker 2: As well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, used I used to drink wine and from not like.
Speaker 3: That sounds like.
Speaker 2: Trill quest of Brand Nubian. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Tribe, it's gonna have to be tribe, even though I
Speaker 4: love I love what Brand Nubia did in the beginning.
Speaker 4: Puba was one of my favorite rappers of all, but
Speaker 4: tribe tribe was it for me? Like when I saw
Speaker 4: trial called Quests, I saw myself. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They were the native tongues, that whole thing. They was
Speaker 4: the gateway too. You could still be yourself. I ain't
Speaker 4: got to be against the rapper. I ain't got to
Speaker 4: be from the hood, I ain't got to be try
Speaker 4: to be super sexy. I could just be that so
Speaker 4: trib man that first time.
Speaker 1: Oh you do what you fucked me up. I always
Speaker 1: kind of attributed that to my era, to phar real,
Speaker 1: but I'm forgetting for well.
Speaker 4: Got that from yeah, absolutely got it from Jungle Brothers. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: we gotta go further back. Yeah, try change my life.
Speaker 4: Like I literally, I literally have a T shirt that
Speaker 4: says that, and when I wear it, it's literally true.
Speaker 2: Like they really changed my life.
Speaker 1: I never told you like you know from Queen's I
Speaker 1: looked up to them so much and when I met wife,
Speaker 1: I tell the story because I took his line when
Speaker 1: me said, both know this and bo't know that?
Speaker 2: Do know Jack? And I was like, no, we know
Speaker 2: this and don't we know that?
Speaker 1: No? Gad wow, because no he buked that. Why you've
Speaker 1: seeing me like instead of me like like.
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm getting you back.
Speaker 4: I was like, what that sounds like he was?
Speaker 2: He was like, I don't know which line I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take on yourself. Just shoot you know he's something I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get you back. And I was like, hey, but.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm like I'm trying to he was.
Speaker 1: He was competitive, like he said, he didn't care like
Speaker 1: he he looked at everything like a sport.
Speaker 2: He looked at everything like a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like when I say a game, not playing around,
Speaker 1: I mean like like like like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, and I'm Nas or jay z mm hm, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't pick one of that.
Speaker 4: So then he finally take a shot. I got a
Speaker 4: text from home in my phone. I did work with
Speaker 4: Nas last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you gotta recod Nas on timbolin, right. He
Speaker 1: watched me, oh shot like.
Speaker 2: You got a drinking there. Yeah, it's not in here, Okay, Jamie, Okay, he.
Speaker 6: Says he'll take whatever whatever y'all he wants my mohuna
Speaker 6: here gilt small shall I'll tell I'll take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Nas watched me on that on that song, but I
Speaker 4: just damn he really put me in the fucking dirts.
Speaker 2: What really came this?
Speaker 3: I came back to the studio.
Speaker 4: Tim played that be and I'm thinking they gonna play
Speaker 4: my So imagine coming back into the studio and you
Speaker 4: think you don't even know nobody's been in the room.
Speaker 3: You just come record. I come back in the studio.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking Jimmy Douglas then mixed it this this the
Speaker 4: clean crystal clean version. B.
Speaker 3: Come on, I hear splashyt.
Speaker 4: Dudes of gas I use ice jingle off my chest
Speaker 4: because my cast improved. Nice knuckle game. Ship to way
Speaker 4: of bucking change. I want the doe, fuck the fame,
Speaker 4: already made history. Y'all can have that. That ain't ship
Speaker 4: to me. I was like, God Jesus, like it was
Speaker 4: the way Nas floated on that. I wanted to say,
Speaker 4: take me off, but I was like, I got a
Speaker 4: song with no only nigga from Virginia got a song.
Speaker 2: With naves at the time, so I had to take it.
Speaker 2: But let me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, now you take it again and we ain't see you.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen. Oh that's not that bad. I love
Speaker 2: this one. By the way.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know they make that in
Speaker 1: a tub and Kindle makes that with his feet. Just
Speaker 1: so you know I'm just playing.
Speaker 2: I just played as a joke. N W. A Republican man,
Speaker 2: I wanted that one.
Speaker 4: Hm hm.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: Chuck D.
Speaker 3: Remember I told your teaching to college.
Speaker 4: Chuck D was one of the people that wrote a
Speaker 4: letter to the dean tell them to hire me. I
Speaker 4: still got the letter framed. You asked him to do that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he did it, and crazy about the letter looked
Speaker 4: like graffiti hand wrote it. It looked like graffiti. It
Speaker 4: wasn't a type letter signed Chuck the public Enemy. He
Speaker 4: wrote it like graffiti to the crazy.
Speaker 3: But in w A.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna say this, and I mean this because
Speaker 4: I don't think it's ever been a group that when
Speaker 4: they came in, they changed everything and the ship was
Speaker 4: never the same. Gangster rap came in and the ship
Speaker 4: never left since in w A. So I would have
Speaker 4: to say n w A is the most influential hip
Speaker 4: hop group of all time.
Speaker 2: So it's in w A. See me. I think they're
Speaker 2: both influential in the opposite.
Speaker 4: Ways of the coast. Like they're my two favorite groups forever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just know when when when niggas, When niggas realized
Speaker 4: that they could rap about their hood and talk some
Speaker 4: gangster shit, they never stopped, right, It never stopped. And
Speaker 4: the nw A hit the pond and that ripple and
Speaker 4: that motherfucker still going in twenty twenty five. And I
Speaker 4: think the next iteration of that change was Master p Yep.
Speaker 2: I think that changed a lot after you.
Speaker 1: It definitely did, definitely for good Okay, Cold Crush or
Speaker 1: the Fearest.
Speaker 4: Five I gotta go with. I gotta go with Cold
Speaker 4: Crush because Kaz was kaz was. Kas was a problem.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: Listen, I listened to them old tapes. Kas was a
Speaker 4: problem man.
Speaker 3: So it was mail shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, and you want to talk about you want
Speaker 4: to talk about changing the game.
Speaker 3: After the message the game changed?
Speaker 4: Yes, fat Nobody, nobody knew that they could rap about
Speaker 4: what was going on in the neighborhood for real until
Speaker 4: that happened. I sat down with Master G from the
Speaker 4: sugar Hill Get and I asked him, I say, Yo,
Speaker 4: when you rapped, everybody rapped the same way. They would say,
Speaker 4: a long ass sentence with a word that rhymed.
Speaker 2: At the end.
Speaker 4: I got some some some some someth to some some some
Speaker 4: something to talk. I had some some something and some
Speaker 4: some something watching it play basketball. That was how everybody rapped.
Speaker 4: And he was like, right, I said, who the fuck
Speaker 4: changed it?
Speaker 3: Because?
Speaker 4: Man, And he's but but here's the thing, because the
Speaker 4: first time I heard it was running them right. That's
Speaker 4: when I recognized. But melly mail came first. But I
Speaker 4: didn't realize, for.
Speaker 1: Lack of a better term, melly mail and was first
Speaker 1: because that I think it sounded like a pauset Mellie
Speaker 1: mil came first.
Speaker 6: Even though sugar Hill represent like Jack Kas, but everybody
Speaker 6: thought that they had to rap the exact same way.
Speaker 4: And then Mel and them came in and shortened it
Speaker 4: so that phrasing wasn't that long sentence with the word
Speaker 4: at the end no more a child is born, no
Speaker 4: state of mind lying to the waves of mankind. It
Speaker 4: was way more words rhyming in the change. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: once it changed, it never went the front back.
Speaker 2: W A did that? Nas? Did that?
Speaker 4: You had started changing that? Nobody rapped like that? Since
Speaker 4: you hear nigga rap like that, like, oh that's that
Speaker 4: old school floor. Then they got me eighty rapping like that.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like it's not the same.
Speaker 4: But so I would have to say, Mel, you know
Speaker 4: what now furious for our co crest.
Speaker 2: I can't choose. Okay, I can't choose. I can't take
Speaker 2: you like to drink. So you got whatever? What?
Speaker 4: Okay, Biggie or tupac rest in pieces of both rest
Speaker 4: and piece both you better both?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I met Pocket and elevated Jack the Rapper. Did we
Speaker 4: talk about this last time? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I met Big.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Stay with the elevator, because I've heard elevator stories
Speaker 4: with Tupac and they were always something crazy going on.
Speaker 4: He was in the elevator, jack the rap, he was
Speaker 4: coming downstairs. He had the call kann I vests on
Speaker 4: with the with the bandana. Was there a beef about
Speaker 4: the papa that was? That was the ship when Luke
Speaker 4: and them got the beefing with Death Row Pop going
Speaker 4: on Death Row Yet the Towers and Compton record. They
Speaker 4: threw that down in the in the in the in
Speaker 4: the Marriott, Mark Keith and I remember getting off the
Speaker 4: elevators crazy.
Speaker 3: I remember getting off the elevator and.
Speaker 4: I saw Russell Simmons and mc search right, and my
Speaker 4: man was like, damn, that was fucking that was Tupac.
Speaker 4: And I wasn't a Tupac fan.
Speaker 2: It's a digital underground. Yeah, so he's not involved in
Speaker 2: that beef.
Speaker 3: He wasn't involved in that.
Speaker 4: Biggie I was on the same label was Junior Mafia, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Big Beat, Atlantic Beat with Reef Shot my man Reef
Speaker 4: Daddy Reef, Yeah, me and Reefed in my whole first album.
Speaker 4: I remember going to I remember I stayed. I stayed
Speaker 4: two blocks up from Unique Studios, right, so you walk
Speaker 4: past Quad, you go down, Unique was dead. I was
Speaker 4: living there with Yeah, I was living there. I lived
Speaker 4: in a place in Big Beat moved me to New
Speaker 4: York so I could do the album because it won't
Speaker 4: those studios in Virginia like that, but because it was
Speaker 4: cheaper than for me to come to New York.
Speaker 3: I lived on.
Speaker 4: I lived somewhere in New York where you had no
Speaker 4: business living. I lived in like forty ninth six radio
Speaker 4: city apartments.
Speaker 3: I neet.
Speaker 4: I had a little maid that used to come marry
Speaker 4: every fucking every week.
Speaker 1: But I remember going into Quad.
Speaker 2: I wasn't what you said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was living New York.
Speaker 4: I used to get on the end of the you know,
Speaker 4: go down to rock and soul, get records or whatever.
Speaker 4: I remember going in the Quad when they gave Biggie
Speaker 4: the deal, Biggie and under Deal and me and the artifacts.
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, it's about to be a rap
Speaker 4: yeah because yeah, yeah, don my soul. That was. That's
Speaker 4: the first record I was ever I love this remix
Speaker 4: is one of the to the studio big in there
Speaker 4: uh sees and I think it was Reef, I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Reef introduced me to him to him and un I
Speaker 4: can't remember. It was reef for somebody from the label Entertainment. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I he said, yo, this this this mads kills
Speaker 4: and saying he knew on Big Beat. I said, what's
Speaker 4: up man? I was supposed to game pound and he
Speaker 4: was smart money. He said, damn dude. Them Tams is leaning,
Speaker 4: and he looked like I had on Tims but they
Speaker 4: wasn't fresh.
Speaker 10: Like but I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't
Speaker 10: even know.
Speaker 4: This, nigga, I can't do that with Tims.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, you got what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I really look like I work construction.
Speaker 2: I bring up like yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: So he was like and he didn't even He looked
Speaker 4: once and he was like, damn dude, them Tims is
Speaker 4: lean and Seas falls out. I'm like, yo, and was like, oh,
Speaker 4: so so we do he gets he he has he
Speaker 4: has my beat. Clark can't plays in the beef for
Speaker 4: Move your Body and he wants to beat, but Clark
Speaker 4: has already told me who wants big Okay, So Clark
Speaker 4: is like, you can't have that. That's Mad skills be
Speaker 4: and he like, who he on your he's on Big Beat,
Speaker 4: he's Kim and the label. Man, he was like, and
Speaker 4: the other one that's that's for Jay. He's like, man,
Speaker 4: you get this nigga everything talking about Jay and then
Speaker 4: Jayson and Clark goes, well, Jay is my artist, your
Speaker 4: Puffy's artist. He was like, man, but this joint is Clark.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, this man, come on. He was like, nah,
Speaker 4: man A promised that the mask kills. So he like,
Speaker 4: all right, whatever, we do the song. And I just
Speaker 4: I'm like, remember, I don't know no hooks. I don't
Speaker 4: know who the hook is. So I just lay three verses.
Speaker 4: Clark like, yeah, we're gonna put a hook.
Speaker 1: In Heredy and I take everybody.
Speaker 4: I sampled Big and Havoc from an old Mob deep record,
Speaker 4: So Clark biggie, here's the record and has to clear
Speaker 4: period because it has moved it.
Speaker 2: Everybody move your body and.
Speaker 3: He like, yo, you owe me, Clock, you owe me?
Speaker 4: And Clock like yeah, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 4: And I think that was I think the next record
Speaker 4: he hooked him up on was Brooklyn's finest.
Speaker 3: But and I didn't find this out until twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm talking to Clock on my podcast and
Speaker 4: he just goes, yeah, I can't tell you about that
Speaker 4: time big one and we I said, Yo, what.
Speaker 2: He could have had said, Yo, why you record? Yeah?
Speaker 4: He was like, yo, he said, because that was your record.
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna give him your record. And I was like,
Speaker 4: but we didn't know what was gonna happen. And how Clock,
Speaker 4: I mean, how big was gonna turn to the greatest
Speaker 4: fire Clock was like, yo, you know me, I'm loyal
Speaker 4: like and I was just like that, that's dope, Clark,
Speaker 4: big up, that's my old g I gotta get it.
Speaker 3: Biggie almost had my ship.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious. All right.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say they both are important to the culture.
Speaker 4: But anytime you say them two names, the first thing
Speaker 4: that popping into my head is the fucking battle. I
Speaker 4: never thought I would see today. And I love Killer,
Speaker 4: I love I love Jim, I love the lots. I
Speaker 4: never thought i'd see today with Jada without cam cam
Speaker 4: mm hmmm, because he was more entertaining, he was more funny,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And when I.
Speaker 3: So, when I looked at that.
Speaker 4: Battle, what I realized was that shot technician too, because
Speaker 4: that battle would not be the same. Yeah. Yeah, when
Speaker 4: I realized from that that the locks of brothers loyal,
Speaker 4: they friends, they brotherhood. They've done a million shows together,
Speaker 4: so for them to get together of her that night
Speaker 4: was light work because they've done that a million times.
Speaker 4: Dipset got together that night for that. They probably hadn't
Speaker 4: really spoke too tough before that, so I know, as
Speaker 4: outside of looking in, it was a it had to
Speaker 4: be a cold day and haul them the next day.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you the truth. You know, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, they all my brothers. I love them both,
Speaker 1: but I was kind of kind of being nosy. And
Speaker 1: I remember the day before I just called them all
Speaker 1: and I remember, you know, Jim being one place, Cam
Speaker 1: being another place, and I don't think you els actually answered,
Speaker 1: but I remember me calling kiss and then hanging up
Speaker 1: and then calling Styles and they're like, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: right here, and I'm like, oh, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they were together, like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So and they were.
Speaker 1: They were they were like planning, it was rehearsing. So
Speaker 1: I think that that was the difference.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think. Let me let me go on the limit.
Speaker 1: Say, I don't think the Locks is overall better group
Speaker 1: than this said at all.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think either all.
Speaker 1: I think that night it was about who who had
Speaker 1: the better performance, who had the better.
Speaker 4: Focus, and that was them. I loved it as a
Speaker 4: fan of hip hop. It was such a beautiful night.
Speaker 4: It was and you know, to see that, to see
Speaker 4: them popping ship and getting hippy with each other, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, not violating, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you can tell they had talked before they like just
Speaker 4: don't say nothing crazy about like you don't say this nigga.
Speaker 2: But I knew.
Speaker 4: I knew from the beginning when when when Cam came
Speaker 4: out and said, Yo, y'all niggas gotta go first, y'all
Speaker 4: not home. You're not home, nigga, we at home. Y'all
Speaker 4: not home, and like reminding niggas like, Yo, these niggas
Speaker 4: is from because bro, they're not from the city, like nigga,
Speaker 4: we at home. And then Jaden looked at that nigga
Speaker 4: and said, Yo, hey, Kim, you.
Speaker 2: Live in Miami. I knew then, but man, it was
Speaker 2: crazy in the show when he said that was a.
Speaker 4: Beautiful battle man and hip hop won that night, So
Speaker 4: I would have to say the locks.
Speaker 1: Okay, rough riders a Rockefeller mm.
Speaker 4: Hmm, damn Yo, I'm gonna say, hey day, I have
Speaker 4: to say Rockefeller because I was such a fan of
Speaker 4: them together, Dame Biggs and Jay and what they created.
Speaker 4: It let them showing us black millionaires and businessmen, even.
Speaker 2: Though it didn't end up the way.
Speaker 4: Every time I hear it's a record by Rel called
Speaker 4: Love Love for Free, And every time Jay come on
Speaker 4: that record and the chords come on, you hear jay
Speaker 4: Z go, this is Rockefeller for live, This is Rockefeller
Speaker 4: for live. I still think about, damn what what that
Speaker 4: could have been?
Speaker 2: It would have been for life. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave that subject alone. I knew you was
Speaker 2: gonna stay away. Yeah, it's like whoa.
Speaker 1: Or stay away from that one.
Speaker 2: Clue or flex.
Speaker 4: Clue is a Flex is a.
Speaker 3: Better party d J?
Speaker 4: I would say, then clue for me, I've been to
Speaker 4: a clue party.
Speaker 2: It was cool.
Speaker 4: I've been in flex wite flex trying to mash it.
Speaker 4: Definitely different kinds of different kinds of DJ. As far
Speaker 4: as influential, they both Flex is super influential in New
Speaker 4: York City and across the world. Clue, the mixtapes that
Speaker 4: that was.
Speaker 2: Our lifeline for years, showed me the money part one
Speaker 2: and Columa not all that ship. They both controlled, one
Speaker 2: controlled this.
Speaker 4: Ye, yes, they both had different different they was getting
Speaker 4: money in different ways, but it was all under music
Speaker 4: and I it's still versions on Clue songs, Clue tapes
Speaker 4: that I still haven't heard to this day. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: say Clue. I'm gonna say Clue.
Speaker 1: I think Clue is the greatest mixtape DJ of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think Funk Flex is the greatest radio D
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: Flex made me miss flights before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like when Flex they pull over, I pull over,
Speaker 1: you pull over New York.
Speaker 2: City, I'll be like word.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't even understand that this is an act
Speaker 1: or if it's an act or not.
Speaker 3: I just do you really want that?
Speaker 4: I only got I think I only got one Flex
Speaker 4: bomb in my life.
Speaker 2: And now I did, uh literally one no. No, he
Speaker 2: hit a couple.
Speaker 4: I read, I redid the slick Rick record, Lick the balls,
Speaker 4: licked the ball. He loved it and and and dropped
Speaker 4: it and put the bombs on it and I just
Speaker 4: remember having that feeling like damn, like we we we
Speaker 4: in the city and fucking fledged dropping bombs.
Speaker 2: I knew what it felt like, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying only once though.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Kanye or just Blaze obviously producer wise.
Speaker 2: Hm hmm, it could be anything.
Speaker 4: Remember I would say, I would say just Blaze because
Speaker 4: he's a nicer.
Speaker 2: Person that's.
Speaker 1: Got a story.
Speaker 3: Kanye's story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is pig polo Kanye. Yeah, okay, he
Speaker 4: lived a whole woke in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: I'm on Racers.
Speaker 4: There was a dude name Howie McDuffie, Okumber, how we
Speaker 4: make w fat Boy used to talk all slow, yo, kid,
Speaker 4: I could take you up the hind ninety seven yo.
Speaker 4: I'm like, You're like, I'm gonna take you over to
Speaker 4: this dude named Kanye you do beats for? He like
Speaker 4: he about to be the new high tech. I remember
Speaker 4: him saying that we go over to his crib and
Speaker 4: he got the the It was a rolling vs. Sixteen eighty,
Speaker 4: remember though. So he playing me these beats and I'm
Speaker 4: listening to the beast because I got a deal. My
Speaker 4: album's coming out on Racers. I got a budget, so
Speaker 4: Kanye trying to get on. He played me a few beats.
Speaker 4: He burned him to a CD. And I'm leaving and
Speaker 4: I'm about to get the train and go back to Virginia.
Speaker 4: And he writes down his number and his name or whatever,
Speaker 4: and he's handed me the CD for the beasts. I
Speaker 4: took him right in like twelve. So he's handing me
Speaker 4: to CD. I put my hand up and he did
Speaker 4: like this. He was like, hey, can I just explain
Speaker 4: one thing to you before you take these beats? I
Speaker 4: was like yeah. He was like, if you don't like
Speaker 4: the beats, you don't want to use them, don't put
Speaker 4: my ship on no mixtape, don't leave my beats.
Speaker 2: That's how e B. I was like this.
Speaker 4: He's like, yo, that's how you ain't the You ain't
Speaker 4: the only person that got these beats all over the place.
Speaker 4: So if you don't want to, if you don't want
Speaker 4: to use them, cool, Just I don't want to look
Speaker 4: up and you want a new WOOTI woo. And I
Speaker 4: was like all right, cool. I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: I got you, bro, Like no doubt, you know. I
Speaker 4: respect he was. So he hands me to see He's
Speaker 4: like no, but I'm serious. And I was like, all right, man,
Speaker 4: I heard you. I'm not young, I'm not a four
Speaker 4: year old. You don't got to explain something twice. So
Speaker 4: we at the door, backpacks on about the walk out, like.
Speaker 2: Utiful. It's the third time.
Speaker 4: The third time, so I'm like, all right, man, And
Speaker 4: it's in a little clear case or whatever. So he
Speaker 4: hands it back over and he was like, he said, yo,
Speaker 4: I'm for real man. He pulls it back again. Howie
Speaker 4: McDuffie goes this, he pulls it back. I said, yo,
Speaker 4: I heard you. But to the point I'm like, YOA,
Speaker 4: I really don't, don't. I don't want to shit, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like the fuck like so between Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was that's my Kanye story.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 4: He was crazy back then. He was a little weird
Speaker 4: though back then. So did you ever get to use
Speaker 4: the beat? No?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I was gonna take I had one and I did
Speaker 4: like one, and I remember me and Howie used to
Speaker 4: play it a lot, and I was gonna go to
Speaker 4: I was me doing this.
Speaker 2: He told me not to do.
Speaker 4: I was gonna said he was going to go to
Speaker 4: high ninety seven and I was gonna wrap over it
Speaker 4: on Case Slate Ship, but I wrapped over something else
Speaker 4: because Casey was probably rest in Peace. Case Slave Case
Speaker 4: was probably the first DJ in New York to just
Speaker 4: totally fucking disrespected me, like.
Speaker 2: Like shipped it on me. And I was just like, wow,
Speaker 2: what you mean? I was?
Speaker 3: I remember it was now. I ain't say this last
Speaker 3: time it was.
Speaker 4: It was a video shoot for Styles had a song
Speaker 4: on Rackers with Pharaohmont Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 4: Called my Life? My Life? We was all in the
Speaker 4: video m O P Fox Rest in Peace five record.
Speaker 3: She was in the video.
Speaker 2: Were all at the video shoot.
Speaker 3: I go to the VIDEOSO.
Speaker 4: I go get a pizza, the uh taking steal in
Speaker 4: there everybody in the video. I go gets and piecea
Speaker 4: I'm walking back across the street and I want to
Speaker 4: say it's graph.
Speaker 3: I want to say Graph was out there.
Speaker 4: It might have been Papoos and it's Case Slay and
Speaker 4: this the drama was the hottest in the world. So
Speaker 4: I just me being me, I say, yo, man, like
Speaker 4: I can I said, yo slack?
Speaker 2: He like what up?
Speaker 3: I said, Yo?
Speaker 4: How can I get on the drama hour? And he
Speaker 4: ain't even look at me. This nigga said you gotta
Speaker 4: be nice, and he looked over there. I'm like, my man,
Speaker 4: my man, look at me like I'm from Vijay. We
Speaker 4: used to niggas disrespecting us, but you're not gonna do
Speaker 4: it for too long. So I'm like, I said, you're
Speaker 4: saying I ain't nice. He's like, now, I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: get on the drama, you gotta be nice. Still ain't
Speaker 4: looking at me. I go to Rucus the next day.
Speaker 4: I say, hey, nigga, I don't give a fuck. How
Speaker 4: y'all pull it off. I gotta get on the drama,
Speaker 4: our hot nice seven. I don't tell me when and when.
Speaker 4: I don't even funck how you do it? So how
Speaker 4: we McDuff he finest, finest slay Like Yo, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: come up there with the roucous all. I'm gonna bring
Speaker 4: fha roah, I'm gonna bring modest. I'ma bring quality. Had
Speaker 4: a new rapper the d Oe or whatever, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna bring mass skills. They're all gonna freestyle on your
Speaker 4: shoulder slay like, all right, bring them up because it's
Speaker 4: just guest on the show. And I think this pharaoh,
Speaker 4: I think Parrol had a ba bather. Simon says, get
Speaker 4: the fuck right. I come up that bitch with a vengeance.
Speaker 4: I'm pissed. I don't even I think Most showed up
Speaker 4: Pharaoh didn't. They still let us come, So I go
Speaker 4: up there. This was this fifty cent had just dropped
Speaker 4: in the club. His going around. Most did his verse
Speaker 4: for Beef, the same he spit on the Sapel Show.
Speaker 2: Come to me.
Speaker 4: I said, Yo, throw the throw that throw that fifty
Speaker 4: shit on and they threw the fifty beat on and
Speaker 4: I blacked the funk out.
Speaker 3: Like spas and he goes.
Speaker 4: I get to the end of the I think I
Speaker 4: did sick like I was sick before Big Daddy Kane
Speaker 4: was doing this. I was sick when biz Mark he
Speaker 4: was a cute baby like I was doing all these
Speaker 4: I was sick when Bobby Brown was fucking dancing for shiit.
Speaker 4: I was doing all this shit. And he gets to
Speaker 4: the end of the free side and then he I
Speaker 4: guess the board op or whatever. I think his name
Speaker 4: was Malaki, and I heard he said a A A Malaka.
Speaker 4: He was like, yo, that that might be the hottest
Speaker 4: freestyle nigga ever. Split up here be like, yo, that
Speaker 4: shit was crazy, and I just looked at the nig
Speaker 4: and I was I just walked out, like I want
Speaker 4: to say. It's still on YouTube somewhere like look up
Speaker 4: Mad Skilled Skills, Case Slade Drama. I blacked out, like
Speaker 4: I lost it. But it was a good moment. But yeah,
Speaker 4: Case Slade lit a whole fire in me. So appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Rest and peace. As many of y'all know, Drink Chance
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Speaker 2: W U t D Primo, Pete Rock.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm those are both my guys, man, So you're
Speaker 4: taking a shot.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, that's a good dream promote pre You know
Speaker 2: what Promo sampled me. You didn't get the diverse.
Speaker 4: I ain't get diverse in common either, but Primo sampled
Speaker 4: me a couple of times on the game and he
Speaker 4: sampled me on a j Rue song. So I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go with promo. I still want to wrap over promo
Speaker 4: be that's like my you haven't I have? I never
Speaker 4: wrapped over promo be what.
Speaker 2: You got one MI one one m C and one
Speaker 2: rock Damn?
Speaker 4: I got song with Pete Rock Damn and that com
Speaker 4: Pete Rock album is though inspired fire Let the album
Speaker 4: tim Berlander Pharrell, We're not doing that, Yeah we are.
Speaker 3: Come on, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2: You know drinking that I don't. I don't know that
Speaker 2: you got I'm not doing drinking actually, like that damn
Speaker 2: ship for Rall.
Speaker 4: And Damn Timbo that's a hard one.
Speaker 2: Chris Brown is Trey songs.
Speaker 4: Now, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2: I guess you guys, by the way, that's just what
Speaker 2: are y'all doing? The mean man?
Speaker 4: Come on, come on man, yeah, how I'm on Pitt
Speaker 4: Virginia Artist.
Speaker 2: What happened? You did that?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 2: What then are you doing on my music?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 2: You drink and drunk?
Speaker 6: Come on first, Booge you almost broke my record and
Speaker 6: what they yeah.
Speaker 2: Stuff anxiety exact. I was like this boot you record
Speaker 2: for so long?
Speaker 1: So he's doing in the middle one like talking my
Speaker 1: stream in so bout you grabs this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like this is not funny. And he's
Speaker 2: like this what is he said?
Speaker 1: Inctal property and he was taking the mind go to
Speaker 1: the cloud, cloud cloud, and then like you know.
Speaker 2: What, I'm like, he's saying that physical boy.
Speaker 1: Space because he's saying in the world's record.
Speaker 2: You know that's what I was gonna be, like health records,
Speaker 2: just like you.
Speaker 4: But that's right, that's my pay fast blessing.
Speaker 2: Okay, held on, where's the next one?
Speaker 3: And you trained Chris y'all?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's the missy or Eve missy Okay, you
Speaker 4: mean it. He's let us on dog Pound. First of all,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be the clips. That's family. But I had
Speaker 4: do have not even a story, but I do remember
Speaker 4: you probably don't. Most people probably don't remember this when
Speaker 4: we but we were talking about when I thought Kris.
Speaker 2: One just this.
Speaker 4: So at the beginning of New York, New York, when
Speaker 4: the song comes on and you start hearing the fading,
Speaker 4: you start hearing we don't even and they start talking
Speaker 4: New York Yo, b yo, be your word of mother son,
Speaker 4: and then you hear niggas say, yo, I got mad
Speaker 4: skills son like right in the beginning, just talking about
Speaker 4: but I knew, I knew they was trying. They was.
Speaker 3: I knew it was they was this. There was there
Speaker 3: was no question.
Speaker 4: But I always remember that, like, damn, like that isn't
Speaker 4: corrupt say my name and the song. I should have said,
Speaker 4: it's so low though, but if you go back and listen,
Speaker 4: you can hear it and ship.
Speaker 1: I was so mad when Poked and mentioned us missed
Speaker 1: it was all record.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, bro, I was like, I mean
Speaker 2: he didn't even say he mentioned us at Oh. Like
Speaker 2: I was like, did you gonna do a remix or something?
Speaker 2: I was like, I wanted to.
Speaker 6: What a crazy time man? Okay, here we at m
Speaker 6: O per mob deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah I wanted to ask that one. It took too long,
Speaker 2: but I got an m O P story. Please.
Speaker 4: They did a show in v A at this club
Speaker 4: called Flavors and it was them I want to say,
Speaker 4: original original gun Clappers o GC and it was Jay Rue.
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers wasn't feeling Jay Rope.
Speaker 4: They were scammaging. They was tossing it up on the
Speaker 4: stage or whatever, and it was it was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're not really hit that.
Speaker 2: Where is this against them? Sin Virginia.
Speaker 1: This is he had come clean? Yeah you want the
Speaker 1: front J's dope. Though it was back there, it was early.
Speaker 2: I don't even think the record had caught on before
Speaker 2: the record was in.
Speaker 4: Ce comes out, they do their thing, and the mop
Speaker 4: come on stage. I'll never forget it. Them niggas had
Speaker 4: a slew of people with and Fame got on the
Speaker 4: mic and was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: We from New York. You know what I'm saying, Browns
Speaker 4: whatever he was saying, mash our posse. You know, we're
Speaker 4: about to do a couple of songs. We're gonna fucking rap.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. We're gonna play some joints.
Speaker 4: We're gonna get it off here. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let yall niggas know now, any of y'all
Speaker 4: niggas throw some ship up here, I'm gonna punch y'all
Speaker 4: niggas in the face, and my man right here gonna
Speaker 4: jump off the stage. My man' here gonna jump off
Speaker 4: the stage and kick all your niggas in the face.
Speaker 3: Breach birth style word.
Speaker 4: The mother's son played my ship and the b came
Speaker 4: on and everybody just stood there, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: these niggas like literally like they literally came on stage
Speaker 4: and scared the audience into not doing anything while they
Speaker 4: fucking rapped. And I mean they gonna bought some all
Speaker 4: call and niggas knew that song it and nobody's gonna.
Speaker 10: They were so scared the.
Speaker 4: Crowd wouldn't even say the hook. I watched it happen.
Speaker 4: I swing past the hotel because my DJ was dropping
Speaker 4: off his equipment or whatever. They all in front of
Speaker 4: this rinking because it's a college town. It ain't no
Speaker 4: five star hotels in this town. It's in Petersburg, So
Speaker 4: they stand in front of the hotel and I didn't
Speaker 4: even know they knew who I was.
Speaker 2: So I'm dropping my men off. I give him PAM
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Just hear fame go.
Speaker 2: And your man scared. I'm like, shit, this nigga know
Speaker 2: my name. I'm like, what's up? You're with a wei
Speaker 2: that I was like, I was smoked.
Speaker 3: I'll find you something. I don't smoke, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But I was like I remember saying like yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I'll get your I send my man over here, so
Speaker 4: I sent my DJ to go talk to him.
Speaker 2: I think they hooked him up with the plug that night.
Speaker 2: But I just.
Speaker 4: Remember how scared they had everybody in that club.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: But it's slipped all day in Virginia. Man, they came
Speaker 4: down there and scared the audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next one.
Speaker 4: Teddy Riley or Q tip Q tip come on man.
Speaker 4: But he said that quickly. Two money styles.
Speaker 3: But everything.
Speaker 4: It's funny because every time I when I see Teddy, right,
Speaker 4: he don't even call me mask. He's just called me Virginia.
Speaker 4: Every time I see he say what Virginia? He don't
Speaker 4: even say my name Virginia. We got to say we
Speaker 4: got the same lawyer. But yeah, it's q tip all day.
Speaker 4: And y'all already know why. Okay, loyalty or respect? How
Speaker 4: about trust? He threw a third one in there, because
Speaker 4: I feel like this. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 4: trust is I'd rather be trusted than love because I
Speaker 4: feel like if I trust you, I'll go through anything
Speaker 4: with you. If I trust you, the love gonna be
Speaker 4: there regardless if I trust you. So for me, outside
Speaker 4: of loyalty and respect, even though you didn't ask, I
Speaker 4: would say trust. But if I had to pick one,
Speaker 4: I would say the loyalty because if I got the loyalty,
Speaker 4: the respect will come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so many they write they write in the same
Speaker 3: vein you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. So yeah, I would say loyalty. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now you said you had a we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna recap the run DMC story. He has a follow
Speaker 1: up to it.
Speaker 3: Follow up.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: So so you remember the first time I was on
Speaker 4: hen and I said, here's the quick version. I said,
Speaker 4: run them run from run dem see played me three
Speaker 4: times in my life. Up my hand out, you'll give
Speaker 4: him a pair of niggas, pat me on the.
Speaker 3: Back, walked off.
Speaker 4: I told y'all this story how many years ago, and
Speaker 4: it goes viral. It's the biggest moment from my drink
Speaker 4: tam Mad Skills tried to beat up Red Run. Everybody
Speaker 4: seen it. It was an aggressive story in your past
Speaker 4: because y'all called me at the end of drink Champs and.
Speaker 3: Let me tell y'all what y'all did.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you. Let me explain something to you.
Speaker 4: This is what y'all did to me last time. Because
Speaker 4: I'm smarter now. I came here last time. The show's
Speaker 4: called Drink Champs. It is what it is. I get it.
Speaker 4: I'm a lightweight. I counted how many shots I took
Speaker 4: on drink. It was eleven fucking shots.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you something?
Speaker 4: You know, when we recounted you come in on drinks chants,
Speaker 4: We're like, we don't think he drank.
Speaker 2: And let me shot.
Speaker 4: Ask God, now, I don't think he drinks. Disrespectful ship.
Speaker 4: This is the most disrespectful thing and Noy ever did
Speaker 4: to me. I did all of those drinks. I say,
Speaker 4: I'm saving his story for the book. Noy says, no, no,
Speaker 4: you got I tell the story ruin your book.
Speaker 2: That's what we do.
Speaker 3: I tell the story. Story goes viral.
Speaker 4: The next week, I watched Drink Champs and Cam is
Speaker 4: on here. First time, Killer Cam I think was on here,
Speaker 4: and y'all said.
Speaker 2: Y'all make some noise, Killer Cam hale them all that.
Speaker 4: Shit, y'all off of caim a drink and that nigga says, yeah,
Speaker 4: I ain't drinking, and I go the fucking drinks always
Speaker 4: so boom. Anyway, I go off of the rails and
Speaker 4: tell the story about how I was gonna beat up
Speaker 4: Run from Run DMC. I actually find the video of
Speaker 4: and Run violated me at the concerts show show.
Speaker 3: It's on my gram.
Speaker 4: I dubbed the video up after when he said, Yo,
Speaker 4: and man, he ain't no photographer. He working that nigga
Speaker 4: like he he. I didn't see the video, okay, So
Speaker 4: the moment was viral from when I said I was
Speaker 4: gonna jump on then the video everybody I can't Skills
Speaker 4: got received. This really happened fast forward, the moment dies down.
Speaker 4: Whatever I'm in v A, it's my birthday. I'm out
Speaker 4: with my family getting something to eat.
Speaker 2: Chill now. It might have been like a Tuesday or so.
Speaker 11: Charlie matcoor Charlie mac calls care punt Charlie mack from
Speaker 11: Philly because Charlie mack han talked to Jazzy Jeff and said, Yo,
Speaker 11: I seen an interview with this nigga Skills talking about
Speaker 11: he was gonna beat up Run.
Speaker 2: Is wrong with this nigga? Yo, Yo, you don't talk
Speaker 2: about our legends like that. I'm not doing that. Baby,
Speaker 2: You're not, Charlie, so we're not Jeff.
Speaker 4: Jeff Skills got tightened up and if Jeff tells Charlie,
Speaker 4: who he's known since he was six six seven fifteen.
Speaker 4: He said, Charlie, I was with Skills that night, and.
Speaker 3: It was warranted what he said.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 3: If if Skills would have took off, he.
Speaker 4: Kind of had, Charlie, he had, he had legs.
Speaker 2: He got wild, disrespected. No, no, baby, I don't make
Speaker 2: this right. And make this right.
Speaker 3: It's my birthday. I'm with my family.
Speaker 4: My phone rings, it's Charlie Meg. I'm thinking he called
Speaker 4: me to tell me happy birthday or tell me, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe you know, Will might.
Speaker 2: Want to start working on some music or something. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: where you at?
Speaker 4: I said, I'm out eating with my family. Yo, step outside. Hey,
Speaker 4: Nigga just said him with my family? He ain't me Skills.
Speaker 4: This is me, baby, I said, Charlie, I know who
Speaker 4: it is. Since Charlie Mag, I'm with my family. Were
Speaker 4: right in the middle, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I know that the cake is coming in a minute
Speaker 4: with the happy birthday on everybody.
Speaker 2: Like Charlie.
Speaker 4: He like, step outside where you are? I said, I'm
Speaker 4: with my family? Step outside, I said. Charlie said, Skills,
Speaker 4: do I ever ask you for anything? I said no, well,
Speaker 4: can you do me this one? Favorite step outside for
Speaker 4: a second.
Speaker 3: I can't hear it.
Speaker 4: I can't hear you his why it's busy In that,
Speaker 4: I said, I walk outside. I tell my family, I
Speaker 4: step outside by myself, outside in front of this restaurant. Hello,
Speaker 4: I said hello. I hear somebody say, is this mad skills?
Speaker 4: I said, oh shit. As soon as he said this,
Speaker 4: I was like, this is run. He says, is am
Speaker 4: I speaking to mad skills? I automatically turned back into
Speaker 4: the thirteen year old kid. I said, yes, sir. He said,
Speaker 4: first of all, I want to apologize to you. I
Speaker 4: said no, no, no, no no. I said no, no, no, you know,
Speaker 4: I said, run. You don't have to rev you don't
Speaker 4: have to do He said, no, no, no, I do. I
Speaker 4: do have to do this. He said, let me do this.
Speaker 4: I said, okay. He said, I want to apologize to
Speaker 4: you for how I treated you when I met you
Speaker 4: when you were thirteen, when I met you again, and then.
Speaker 2: The last time that I saw you.
Speaker 4: Well, he said it on the show he went, he
Speaker 4: went chronicle with so he said. I said, I said,
Speaker 4: I said, yo, man like. He said, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: He said, it's not cool. It wasn't cool then, it's
Speaker 4: not cool now. He said, I just want to apologize
Speaker 4: to you because I didn't know who.
Speaker 2: I didn't not.
Speaker 4: I did not that you have to be somebody to
Speaker 4: be treated a certain way, but I was another person.
Speaker 4: Then I want to apologize to you now. And I said, oh, man,
Speaker 4: I said, run, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 4: Also, I'm sitting here and I'm looking at I have
Speaker 4: your hat right here. I said, right ware. He said,
Speaker 4: I haven't right here. He said, I'm old school. I
Speaker 4: got a pen and I got some paper. So if
Speaker 4: you tell me your address, I'm going to send this
Speaker 4: to you FedEx and it will be to you next
Speaker 4: two days.
Speaker 3: I spit my address right, he says. He said. And
Speaker 3: I heard it's your birthday today.
Speaker 4: I said yeah. He said, happy birthday. I said, wow,
Speaker 4: thank you. He said, that's all love. He said, Charle,
Speaker 4: He said, I heard this story. It was moving around
Speaker 4: a couple of people told me about it, and I was, like,
Speaker 4: I asked, he said, I asked some people.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 4: I thought to myself, who knows everybody? Charlie mc knows everybody.
Speaker 4: So I called him and I said, do you know
Speaker 4: a guy named Mad Skills, and Charlie said, that's my guy.
Speaker 4: Is I need. I need his phone number and his address.
Speaker 4: Charlie said, I call him right now. So they called
Speaker 4: me and it just happened. It happen for my birthday.
Speaker 4: I give him the address. Charlie says, look, do me
Speaker 4: a favor. When you get the box, don't open it.
Speaker 4: FaceTime me when you about to open it. I said,
Speaker 4: all right, cool box comes in two days. I facetimed
Speaker 4: Charlie Matt. I got the box in front of me.
Speaker 4: I got a camera. I got it because I got
Speaker 4: I got a camera here because I got I gotta
Speaker 4: get that moment. Yes, face time. Charlie Mack picks on
Speaker 4: the phone. Chart Mac says, Yo, you got it. I
Speaker 4: said yeah, he said, hold on. He clicks over. Two
Speaker 4: faces pop up on my phone. Charlie back on the
Speaker 4: top box, Red.
Speaker 2: Run on the bottom.
Speaker 3: Red Run goes, Yo, you got the hat. I said yeah.
Speaker 4: Charlie said, open up the box, baby, open that shit up.
Speaker 4: Charlie going hand. I opened up the box. It's a
Speaker 4: note in it. It says too too mask. I can't
Speaker 4: remember what it says. Paraphraser two Mad skills, enjoy your birthday.
Speaker 4: Here's your hat. Keep doing great things.
Speaker 2: Rev. Run.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the box, run goes. Charlie goes. He said, now,
Speaker 4: he said, that's not a new hat. That's the hat
Speaker 4: that I won before. That's that's not I didn't just
Speaker 4: get you a hat. That's one out of my collection.
Speaker 4: So that's one of the prize ones. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my, I said, run, thank you so much. He said,
Speaker 4: how is it how you feel? I said, yo, I
Speaker 4: feel like a thirteen year old kid again. Man, I'm
Speaker 4: wilding right now. Charlie says, yo, put the hat on.
Speaker 4: I take I take the phone, put it on and
Speaker 4: put it on the thing. I take the hat. I
Speaker 4: start putting the hat on. When I start putting the
Speaker 4: hat on, Charlie, Matt goes, run run right right right, Run,
Speaker 4: starts going.
Speaker 2: I'm like, so I put the hat on.
Speaker 4: Charlie said, cross the alls, b boy, staff, crossed the moms.
Speaker 4: I crossed my arms and look at Buffy and they're
Speaker 4: like yeah. I'm like, yo, this is so.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's how.
Speaker 4: And I posted that on my Gram and it was
Speaker 4: two thousand comments, people being like, oh, this is this.
Speaker 4: I love when hip hop connects and the story ended
Speaker 4: up well, and that's side the story. And I got
Speaker 4: the hat and I got a shoe signed from DMC.
Speaker 4: So I got the hat from running and the shoe
Speaker 4: a shelter in my studio from both of them.
Speaker 2: That's dope. So happy for that.
Speaker 1: Story, bro, He's like, yo, man, we're so happy because
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing, you know, to document our history,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it's one thing to keep making it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what we're doing. We're documenting it
Speaker 1: and you know, making it and documenting it. And for
Speaker 1: us to have anything to do with that, that's pretty
Speaker 1: pretty man.
Speaker 2: And you hitting me up about it, man, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: makes something to happen, man, But it happened, yeah man,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 1: So you and Jeffer's cool, your every one is cool. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, cool ship.
Speaker 6: But I want to ask you, because I really do
Speaker 6: love this record that you did with the Artifacts. Can
Speaker 6: you tell me I was all whack could tell me
Speaker 6: a story about this record? And you know ri ip
Speaker 6: ta one, Yes, I love the Artifacts. Tell me about
Speaker 6: this record I signed, I got, I got signed to
Speaker 6: Big Beat.
Speaker 4: Uh. I want to say right after the New Music
Speaker 4: Seminar when I battled Supernatural because it was like I
Speaker 4: had sent out demos, but my tape is just sitting
Speaker 4: in offices and sitting there, Tommy Boys sitting there loud.
Speaker 4: Nobody checked it. I do this seminar battle and everybody
Speaker 4: I sent the tape to its all in the same room.
Speaker 3: Reef Eclipse Search from Wild Pitch.
Speaker 4: Everybody's in the same room because this is the DJ
Speaker 4: battle in the MC battles battle. I do the song.
Speaker 4: I mean, I do the battle, and then the next Monday,
Speaker 4: it's like a bidding wark. They like everybody trying to
Speaker 4: sign this kid mad skills. I don't sign yet. I
Speaker 4: go back and forth. Q Tip takes me to stretch
Speaker 4: them by bido. I do another freestyle that goes up,
Speaker 4: and Reef got me like a.
Speaker 3: Chain and face his budget. I had a big ass budget.
Speaker 4: That's how I was able to get Q Tip, Clark Kent,
Speaker 4: all these people and the artifacts. Reef was like, I
Speaker 4: want you to I got a song. I mean easy
Speaker 4: LP did that remix. Shout Easop he did that remix,
Speaker 4: and Easyop did that remix. Yeah, I hey little brother,
Speaker 4: yeah second bro. I did not look deeply into this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, w don't you read it upside down?
Speaker 2: No, bro, he got it right. So I did this song,
Speaker 2: and I remember when it came out.
Speaker 4: I remember buying a Coscess single and I saw my name,
Speaker 4: you know, my name and the credits and featuring the
Speaker 4: my government name you know for the ass cat be
Speaker 4: at mine whatever, and I was like, damn, Like, so
Speaker 4: the Artifacts was the first people to actually let me
Speaker 4: get on because they could have said no, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like I don't know about dude, like
Speaker 4: he ain't even he from Jersey hometown, Like you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, But they let me get on, and
Speaker 4: and I'm.
Speaker 6: Forever grateful to him for that. It's a great record, man,
Speaker 6: it was a super amazing record. I wish you had
Speaker 6: did a video for it. We didn't get a chance to.
Speaker 6: It was on the table for a minute, but then
Speaker 6: we didn't do it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was that was reefing and the Artifacts
Speaker 4: is showing love like he's the new kid.
Speaker 3: Let's let's get a verse on the new kid.
Speaker 1: I heard you say on I Forget with an interview.
Speaker 1: You said you made one girl record, right and and
Speaker 1: he said the reaction you got for it. You said
Speaker 1: you wish we would have been I wish I told
Speaker 1: you that was record.
Speaker 3: It's a record called for Real. It's called for Real.
Speaker 2: He don't own me.
Speaker 4: Bank did that song and Bank already had the hook
Speaker 4: and everything. Somebody else was singing and.
Speaker 2: I heard it not hen on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, And that was probably the only that
Speaker 4: was probably one of the first records that I was like,
Speaker 4: I've seen how I reacted with women, and you know.
Speaker 3: I was like, damn.
Speaker 4: I really looked at LL different after that, Like damn,
Speaker 4: because as a DJ, like you know, as a DJ,
Speaker 4: we play for the women in the party because we
Speaker 4: know the dudes come in regardless. If it's women, there's
Speaker 4: gonna be it's gonna be girl, it's gonna be, they
Speaker 4: gonna be there. So I just wish that I had
Speaker 4: started earlier. But but those types of records are very
Speaker 4: you know, keen to to people's successes because you can
Speaker 4: always perform those records like I just dropped the record
Speaker 4: maybe like I will dropped the video for a record
Speaker 4: maybe like a month ago, called the Golden Girls, where
Speaker 4: I name every female that's ever been mentioned in a
Speaker 4: rap song.
Speaker 2: So Benita Applebaum.
Speaker 4: Jane Davett, Veronica of Veronica. Damn, I ain't put super well,
Speaker 4: I said, I said from the golden era.
Speaker 3: So he's the end of the going there.
Speaker 4: So the funny part is, so I shoot, I get
Speaker 4: a new camera and I'm just at the studio and
Speaker 4: I came with the idea. I was like that this
Speaker 4: might be dope. It was fifty years of hip hop.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, I might this might be dope
Speaker 4: to just shoot a little videos on ig whatever whatever.
Speaker 4: I shoot the video edited myself and throwing all of
Speaker 4: the clips of all of the girls, and the ship
Speaker 4: goes up and people are like, Yo, this record is
Speaker 4: so dope and so fresh man, this is this is
Speaker 4: what hip hop needs this. I'm like, yo, this record
Speaker 4: is twelve years old. They don't even know I just
Speaker 4: shot a video for it now because I got a
Speaker 4: new camera. But it's like the record old as hell,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But it still resonates with people.
Speaker 4: So you know, when you make things like that, man,
Speaker 4: you gotta pay attention to your audience and what's missing
Speaker 4: in the marketplace too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it was just it was just one of the things.
Speaker 3: It was a dope. I dis I just did it.
Speaker 2: If you had a chance to do it all over,
Speaker 2: would you? Oh?
Speaker 4: If I had, If I had a chance to do
Speaker 4: it all over, my first record would have been Beanita, Benita, Benita.
Speaker 6: I would have started with a girl looking So it's okay,
Speaker 6: so celeborate on that. This mad skills? What would this
Speaker 6: mad skills? Tell this mad skills? Great question, Go for
Speaker 6: the bitches. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have interfered with him because his path was
Speaker 4: his path, and I wouldn't have been I wouldn't have
Speaker 4: been seasoned or smart enough to handle all of this
Speaker 4: ship that might have came out way then. I was
Speaker 4: so bit barring up. I was ready to rap against anybody.
Speaker 4: I thought, if you had the best bars, you would
Speaker 4: be the best rapper, not the best selling rapper.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Did selling matter to you?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Did did how many copies you sold?
Speaker 6: Because I mean the era we were in in that timeframe,
Speaker 6: that didn't really.
Speaker 2: Yeah it didn't really matter. But maybe at the major
Speaker 2: when you were signed, Yeah, maybe you were.
Speaker 4: I might Yeah I didn't, you know, I gotta let
Speaker 4: go or whatever. I didn't sell him enough.
Speaker 2: But that was right.
Speaker 4: But when the Jiggy Erea came in, so crush crush
Speaker 4: on you came out and get money, and it was
Speaker 4: over fit anybody with it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, just just the shiny suit.
Speaker 4: Era, you know, and everything that went back boy yeah,
Speaker 4: bad boy in the ninety six coming into ninety seven
Speaker 4: before Biggie passed away.
Speaker 1: It was Oh, I hated them everybody on that side.
Speaker 2: I had on army fatigues at that time. I had
Speaker 2: a straight army. They got a shiny suits. You still
Speaker 2: got it? What you can still rap? No, I don't
Speaker 2: really rap.
Speaker 3: I knew he was trying to.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: No, I spit every now and then, but I just
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna I'm only gonna wrap if Nori raps
Speaker 4: ain't rapping hook no.
Speaker 1: So but that's that's something I forgot to ask you
Speaker 1: on quick Time.
Speaker 2: It's line rapping on DJ. You say something, J what
Speaker 2: I what?
Speaker 4: I lost the passion that I lost and rap and
Speaker 4: I found in DJ did a little bit not really crazy.
Speaker 2: So you found on this passion afterwards? Yeah? Was it
Speaker 2: pre pandemic though, or pandemic. It's pre pandemic and.
Speaker 1: Your passion of getting in the booth, your passion from
Speaker 1: getting in the booth, and that's when you started the DJ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that one memes in the truth?
Speaker 4: I just did a show back at in Va my last,
Speaker 4: my last hip hop show, and I really had fun.
Speaker 4: And I had wrapped them records in years, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I had a whole I had a.
Speaker 6: Whole festival like show crazy. I was shot congret that
Speaker 6: many people show, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I brought out Freeway. Freeway pulled up, Tylip Quality
Speaker 4: pulled up, you know what I'm saying. My man Rahem
Speaker 4: DeVaughn pulled up. I had my homies, Butcher Brown, they
Speaker 4: played with me and it was a dope show.
Speaker 3: And I hadn't spit.
Speaker 4: I hadn't spent some of them songs in fifteen years,
Speaker 4: twelve years, and I had a ball at That show
Speaker 4: was a good So if the bag right, I probably
Speaker 4: hop back.
Speaker 3: Out and do a show. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But that was my last show in Virginia and I
Speaker 4: went out with a bang. That ship was nutty like
Speaker 4: it was. It shut the city down. The city is
Speaker 4: still on me, texting me daily. Like, yeah, we have
Speaker 4: to do a festival next year, like you.
Speaker 2: Have to your last show.
Speaker 4: It was my last as a rap, as a rapper,
Speaker 4: no man, you yeah.
Speaker 2: I am. I say that all the time to though right.
Speaker 4: Now you you do, you see it all the time
Speaker 4: every year, the last one, last show you did?
Speaker 3: How long ago when you did the show?
Speaker 2: Then? I can't that's DJ right, that was.
Speaker 1: Last summer or two summers ago.
Speaker 3: I think you did something hip hop, you did something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's before.
Speaker 1: That was twenty twenty lover and lovers in Friends, Lovers
Speaker 1: in French. That was in between that, and that was
Speaker 1: clearly for a bag. I didn't want to perform, like
Speaker 1: you know, there's certain time you want to perform.
Speaker 2: You know. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 1: I heard you mentioned a nod factor earlier and I
Speaker 1: had this, that's one of my notes on a nod factor.
Speaker 1: You said you're like a black president because you ain't
Speaker 1: seeing you and I did the actually we actually hold.
Speaker 2: On, hold on, hold on two war question when.
Speaker 1: You wrote that, was having a black president that far out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Nor right?
Speaker 4: So you got to understand the song I heard before
Speaker 4: that was pop and even though we ain't, we ain't
Speaker 4: ready for a black president, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like you heard that before whole Poxmaker came first. That
Speaker 4: was something I would I could never foresee. But that's
Speaker 4: one of the punchlines that I'm so glad that's changed now.
Speaker 3: That got changed.
Speaker 4: Not like it's not like I can say, yo, you
Speaker 4: go to the hood, can still kill the niggas. That's
Speaker 4: that's still happen. But I'm glad that I can. Like
Speaker 4: when I wraped that song, now I gotta change.
Speaker 2: The line that was wrong we had we had. You're
Speaker 2: glad that was wrong.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that was wrong.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that's wrong now and hopefully, you know, we'll
Speaker 4: be able to change that again this year.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because it's like a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of but I look at it, listen to rap
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was so cool back then.
Speaker 2: Trump It's like.
Speaker 4: Yo, do you ever do you ever listen to any
Speaker 4: of your old balls or punch size and just cringe.
Speaker 2: Yes all the time? Right, Yes, it's horrible, Yo, I
Speaker 2: was a horrible person.
Speaker 4: I heard something I said the other day and it
Speaker 4: was in a freestyle of something and I said, uh,
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, yeah, y'all rappers. All y'all rappers, my sons,
Speaker 4: get out the way. Disrespect popping. You're gonna get popped
Speaker 4: like Marvin Gay.
Speaker 6: And I was like, I was like, I can't believe
Speaker 6: I said that because it was the shock value, right, but.
Speaker 1: Because now you're the oh you get crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, Like I.
Speaker 4: Hear, I hear ball man the grandpa and you right now, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're like we talked last time and yo.
Speaker 2: My daughter was like, yo, what what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Don't you have class somewhere?
Speaker 2: Are you doing this?
Speaker 12: And I'm like, ah, this cringe worthy lines. Man, I'm
Speaker 12: not gonna lie this. I know one man is getting
Speaker 12: old or im old.
Speaker 2: I'm we old bro time and stuff to day.
Speaker 1: And they just thought, I don't want to say the
Speaker 1: girl's artist's name.
Speaker 2: And they just like and.
Speaker 3: I'm just listening like offended, I'm old.
Speaker 2: Did I thought about it? I was like, that's probably
Speaker 2: how they felt. What I'm talking about technics and shoot
Speaker 2: off the block. You were somewhere to you like you.
Speaker 4: Were somewhere saying now you like me getting head on
Speaker 4: the highway. It's like you hear it, you like, yo,
Speaker 4: She wasn't crashing it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I couldn't fight it.
Speaker 1: It was the lyrics were so vulgar, and by the way,
Speaker 1: it was just like but I get it, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get I'm who my parents. I get that, I
Speaker 1: get that part like I get that. But I was
Speaker 1: just like, wow, this is what's happening now. And as
Speaker 1: I'm saying it, I'm like.
Speaker 2: You sound just like the old folks, like I.
Speaker 1: Cannot I cannot identify with some of the ship, like
Speaker 1: I cannot identify with drill music because I don't know.
Speaker 6: Like, but wait, but I don't think it's fair, and
Speaker 6: this is probably the old person in me. I don't
Speaker 6: think it's fair to say the similarities in that because
Speaker 6: people actually are killing themselves, raving about it, dancing on graves,
Speaker 6: social media all about it, like it's a very big.
Speaker 2: As the Chicks right now, Light No More No.
Speaker 4: And the crazy part is, I never think that any
Speaker 4: generation is going to like the music of the generation
Speaker 4: after it. But not liking it and disrespecting yourself as well,
Speaker 4: all that's that's literally a whole other level. But the
Speaker 4: only reason we had a connection was because we were
Speaker 4: sampling our parents' music. So when we said we would say, Yo,
Speaker 4: it's this new song, big Poppama, you gotta hear it,
Speaker 4: like the ain't nothing but the Izi brothers. Boy, I
Speaker 4: ain't doing nothing new. So we had that connection. What
Speaker 4: these kids got smarter. They're like, oh, I gotta get it.
Speaker 4: I gotta get round fifty.
Speaker 2: Percent of my shit.
Speaker 4: Hell now, hey, hey, whoop woop, make that beat on
Speaker 4: the on the thing from scratch. I don't give fuck,
Speaker 4: don't sample nothing. I want to own one hundred percent
Speaker 4: of this if it goes up and once a.
Speaker 6: Death stamp them my fart, let's make that right.
Speaker 4: So it's like they they they got business smarter from
Speaker 4: not from not taking.
Speaker 2: They absolutely did.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like so because they still
Speaker 4: got paid before. But now they're like, nah, we're just
Speaker 4: gonna make this shit from scratch and we're gonna go up.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't I don't like it, but it
Speaker 4: ain't for me. Like I told you before. It's like
Speaker 4: it's like my son got the car. Now it's his car,
Speaker 4: go fuck it up, damn.
Speaker 2: But fucking it up could be very detrimental. It can't be.
Speaker 4: Don't kill yourself in it. Don't drink and dry. Don't
Speaker 4: drink it, just drink Champs. I got to loosen up
Speaker 4: on the new music because I was just like, sometimes
Speaker 4: sometimes I don't mind. I love the era of music
Speaker 4: that we came from. We listen, I tell my man,
Speaker 4: my man. My man said this to me, and he
Speaker 4: was like, yo, think about how far we came. Like
Speaker 4: if you were if you are a person that break
Speaker 4: danced on cardboard and you uploaded your song to the
Speaker 4: internet and you posted your picture on Instagram, look at
Speaker 4: what you lived through hip hop wise, that's a lot lucky,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like we we see at
Speaker 4: nine eleven in between now carry a boombox, yeah, oh
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, and its ye. We saw the m P
Speaker 4: three players, like we've seen a lot in our dad.
Speaker 4: So we just gotta be thankful that we had it
Speaker 4: when we had it. Now it's this and now we
Speaker 4: get why the older people say, well I love my era, yes,
Speaker 4: because they're like, well, this is my ever in my day.
Speaker 2: I never thought I was gonna do that.
Speaker 4: Listen, bro, I've said to myself and and my man
Speaker 4: said it to me.
Speaker 3: He was like, he said, when you start talking about.
Speaker 4: These stories, when you are older, you gonna sound crazy
Speaker 4: as fucking Forrest Gump, he said, because it don't even
Speaker 4: sound real.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't imagine talking to.
Speaker 4: My grandson and saying, yeah, you know, I used to
Speaker 4: put out a song every year and people used to
Speaker 4: wait for that one song every year. Yeah, shut up,
Speaker 4: grandpa be lying now. And one time I did a
Speaker 4: song for I wrote a whole piece for and they
Speaker 4: put it in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: for a rapping Ain't jay Z.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up?
Speaker 2: You said?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 2: I did I And they put me.
Speaker 4: On BT one time and I just did a whole
Speaker 4: piece about the whole thing of hip hop.
Speaker 2: Know the fuck yo?
Speaker 4: Stop lying, granddaddy, like that don't even sound It doesn't
Speaker 4: sound real.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then I got into a beef with with Shack
Speaker 4: and I was beefing with these that it doesn't sound real.
Speaker 4: We've seen a lot of ship, bro a lot of
Speaker 4: ship We covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 6: Let me tell you two things that my kids say
Speaker 6: to me. One I'm not proud of. One I am
Speaker 6: proud of. We walk in the in the grocery store
Speaker 6: and we walked past the beer and liquor and my
Speaker 6: son says, daddy's work.
Speaker 2: Not proud of that, not proud of that. I could
Speaker 2: have kept that. No, no, but it's real. It's real, real.
Speaker 6: Then, but every time he sees a boombox or vinyl
Speaker 6: or breakdance, daddy's work.
Speaker 2: Daddy's work. That problem. That's dope.
Speaker 4: Okay, she said, So don't do half of that's work, please.
Speaker 2: Smokes. Now.
Speaker 1: One of the craziest dopest records ever made ever slept
Speaker 1: on is Extra Abstract Skills.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is that record.
Speaker 1: Is so so dope, and I listened to it recently
Speaker 1: and I'm just like this, I wish like that. That's
Speaker 1: one of the phenomenal records. Like, what was you thinking
Speaker 1: coming up with that?
Speaker 4: I had. I wanted to get beats from Large Professor
Speaker 4: to me and Reef we would go out the flushing.
Speaker 2: And you got to the hook as well, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we would go.
Speaker 4: Out the Flushing and I wanted to have Large Offessor
Speaker 4: on the record. He already did a song called that
Speaker 4: we had called Skills in ninety five, but I fucked
Speaker 4: up because on the Tribe album, Uh, Large Professor had
Speaker 4: told Q Tip never say the year in the song
Speaker 4: because you date the song right, so I needed another song.
Speaker 4: I want a Q tip on the album. He was
Speaker 4: coming back and forth to the studio and Paul shout, shout,
Speaker 4: Paul large pro he I would spend so much money
Speaker 4: with him because he would just buy records and then
Speaker 4: just come to the studio and listen to him.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't have to beat loaded up in that spat.
Speaker 4: He would just come to the studio and sit down
Speaker 4: and make you listen.
Speaker 2: To all of and you had to pay for what
Speaker 2: that studio time.
Speaker 4: And we in there unique, we was in was in
Speaker 4: the city, in the city.
Speaker 3: So he's sitting there.
Speaker 4: Put the record on just and you just keep hearing
Speaker 4: the needles skipping through joints.
Speaker 2: And I can't. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't tell his nigga how to make a beat.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, you said, you never working with promo, No, no,
Speaker 4: just sitting there, just sitting there, boom boom boom. And
Speaker 4: then you hear a little something and he'll loop it
Speaker 4: up his doors and I'm like, damn, that's kind of funky.
Speaker 2: That might be dope. He'll race it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, Paul, you race that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nah nah. So that wasn't it worth the mother son. Word, Yo,
Speaker 4: you're gonna like this next one? Baby, Paul wor it up.
Speaker 4: He's just talking and so I'm in there like, yo,
Speaker 4: we've been to get six al of them should already
Speaker 4: fifteen hundred dollars. And he like, yo, word yo some
Speaker 4: mad humphy son.
Speaker 2: Yo. Yo. We don't order yo, we order it.
Speaker 4: Yo?
Speaker 2: What we doing?
Speaker 4: Engineer like, yeah, I might give me a I might
Speaker 4: get a plate new song. So yeah, worry, let's order
Speaker 4: from there. Word the mother son. And I'm like, make
Speaker 4: this fucking beat.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: So he finally gets me a beat.
Speaker 2: Say this is the South talking to the North. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I finally get to beat.
Speaker 4: He likes it, and I tell Q Tip I said, yo,
Speaker 4: Paul got this this crazy joint. He's like where it
Speaker 4: is like that.
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: He's like, I gotta get yo, I gotta here. I
Speaker 2: gotta hear that Joey.
Speaker 4: So I played for him, like for whord this is
Speaker 4: crazy and I'm like, you want how born?
Speaker 3: And he was like I got some and he come by.
Speaker 3: He take it.
Speaker 2: He takes time, but he come by the studio.
Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there and I'm like, yo, I got
Speaker 4: a song with a large professor and cutes it on
Speaker 4: my album. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: in my monm, I'm like, yo, I'm.
Speaker 2: Out of here, this is gone.
Speaker 3: This is this hip hop's finest.
Speaker 2: So we do this, we do the song.
Speaker 4: It current turns out dope, and I just I still
Speaker 4: bug out of the fact that I think sometimes I
Speaker 4: just take it for granted, like yeah, yeah, I did that,
Speaker 4: But I'm like, yeah, that that's.
Speaker 2: One of the ones.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like it was a good record,
Speaker 4: And I still I still thank Paul to this day
Speaker 4: because that time that it took for him to find
Speaker 4: that loop and put them drums on, get it right
Speaker 4: and made it a classic.
Speaker 6: So and do you not think that those records in
Speaker 6: that record, the whole album went as far as you
Speaker 6: thought it was gonna go.
Speaker 4: When they asked me what I wanted to accomplish with
Speaker 4: that album, I said, I want to I.
Speaker 2: Want people to know my name and I want them
Speaker 2: to know where I'm from.
Speaker 4: If I was thinking smart, I would have said I
Speaker 4: want to sell more than thriller, and then they would
Speaker 4: have known my name and where I was from. Regardless
Speaker 4: but I look back at some of this stuff I did,
Speaker 4: and it's hard for me to process that I did it.
Speaker 4: Like you might catch me on a humble day, like
Speaker 4: for the most part, I'm super humble and like I'm
Speaker 4: usually humble when I'm not rapping, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I just found just through pytherapy. I just found out
Speaker 4: in the last years some change that I got impost syndrome.
Speaker 4: It's like when when a person refuses to accept their
Speaker 4: flowers or all of them, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 4: so for me, I'm very I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I try to, you know what I mean, But I
Speaker 4: can't change people's memories.
Speaker 2: Like people come up to me, people perceive me right
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 3: Never I never.
Speaker 4: I never want to walk around like I got a
Speaker 4: big head, like like life humble me early I felt
Speaker 4: like so. But for me, it's it's like people in
Speaker 4: my life now like no, no, you have to accept
Speaker 4: that you have done some amazing things and.
Speaker 2: It's okay to say that you've.
Speaker 3: Done it, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like I get people coming to me like yo, my
Speaker 4: first hip hop show was you Man Use. The first
Speaker 4: thing that I saw from the hood on Rap City. Bro,
Speaker 4: when I saw you, I knew I could make it,
Speaker 4: and dah da da da, and I'd be like, like,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I don't want to don't
Speaker 4: put me up there because because the ain't nowhere to
Speaker 4: go but down from there.
Speaker 3: So for me, it's a weird place to be in.
Speaker 4: And sometimes I talk my ship, Like earlier today, I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, nigga, I put a whole state on
Speaker 4: by myself.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's a fact. That's not I'm not bragging, that's just
Speaker 2: what I did, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I teeter from from from that point.
Speaker 2: Which is every artist is going to teeter on that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think. So you don't everything.
Speaker 4: I want to get too big head, because the thing
Speaker 4: is that ego is what is driving that.
Speaker 2: Yes, And what I believe is that ego.
Speaker 6: Is necessary artistry yeah, and creativity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You cannot be creative without ego, right, because the ego
Speaker 6: is what gives you the confidence to say I'm going
Speaker 6: to create this and then give it to the world, right,
Speaker 6: And once you put it in the world, once you
Speaker 6: put it out there, it's the public's perception.
Speaker 4: You can't once you can't. You can't take it back
Speaker 4: once it's out there. Yeah, so somebody say, yo, man,
Speaker 4: that ship was trash. You just gotta eat it right.
Speaker 1: You can't get back.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You can't.
Speaker 4: And it's like like when Ratman was on here, he
Speaker 4: was like, I read all all the messages, bro, read
Speaker 4: them all, Like I can't, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I remember talking to Charlotte Man. I remember telling h
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know how to fuck. I
Speaker 4: don't know how to fuck. You even look at your
Speaker 4: social media and Charloamann was like, skills, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't read my comments.
Speaker 4: Like what you mean? He said, I haven't read my
Speaker 4: comments in like five years, Bro, I don't read comments.
Speaker 4: He's you know, when you open Instagram and you see
Speaker 4: the one that's at the top and in the one
Speaker 4: that's at the bottle, he's, I see those, but I
Speaker 4: don't open my comments.
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn.
Speaker 4: I was like, you would have to not do that
Speaker 4: in order to live in that space. Because you talk
Speaker 4: every day and you people giving you their opinion every day.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's like he's like, I don't read that ship.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Damn, that's a good tactic.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't. You shouldn't read them. You shouldn't. If there's
Speaker 2: something you could do over, what would you do over? Mmm?
Speaker 4: I don't know if I do. I don't know if
Speaker 4: I would do anything. Oh, I think I would do
Speaker 4: it just the way I did it. If I could,
Speaker 4: I probably would started taking writing seriously earlier, just writing.
Speaker 3: Songs period before missing pulled.
Speaker 4: Up and the skill of you being able to write. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, I probably would have
Speaker 4: did that. What about you?
Speaker 2: If I could do over? If you could do something over, I.
Speaker 1: Would try to sell out much faster.
Speaker 3: Wow, Jesus Christmas, what about you?
Speaker 4: I would have started trying to do everything I was
Speaker 4: doing today.
Speaker 2: Earlier in high school.
Speaker 6: Like I started at the end of my senior year,
Speaker 6: and I felt like I had an advantage then.
Speaker 2: But I would have even started earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let me let me let me pederate my answer,
Speaker 1: because I do mean that, but I mean it in
Speaker 1: this way. I wish I would have knew that this
Speaker 1: was not love, this was or more about business, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I was like like like
Speaker 1: until I met pun I was all my features love
Speaker 1: for free. I didn't I didn't know people were talking
Speaker 1: people like and I was like, hey, my dad man,
Speaker 1: especially when you had that's fifteen grand And I remember
Speaker 1: me and pun of me. She was just and even
Speaker 1: then I was doing it getting bread, but it was
Speaker 1: still love like I was still I remember, I say
Speaker 1: this real quick. I showed up to a video and
Speaker 1: it was my video and I got paid and this
Speaker 1: was cool. Ray Kwan got paid and then showed up
Speaker 1: to the video and then Ray Kwan one of another
Speaker 1: paper for the video and and I remember her label
Speaker 1: like oh ship man like Ray Kwana is a bad person.
Speaker 2: They're like nor is a good person? Like so cool cool.
Speaker 1: Ray Kwang got paid. And when it came back time
Speaker 1: for Maya to do my record, guess.
Speaker 3: What she was with?
Speaker 1: Common was together, but I remember it was a guy
Speaker 1: named Hakeem Islam or Hawk Islam Islam that was in
Speaker 1: charge of her project. And I came to him and
Speaker 1: this is the guy who thanked me for for being
Speaker 1: on time at the video but showing up for wearing
Speaker 1: the clothes that they asked Ray We're none of the.
Speaker 2: Clothes that day asked for. I did all that I did.
Speaker 1: I was under the sparks, sparkles, I did all the
Speaker 1: dump ship that I wasn't supposed to do as an
Speaker 1: established artist when I was trying to form a relationship.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, when it came time, we went to
Speaker 1: see him and he was like, yeah, we're not going
Speaker 1: to go in this direction.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, oh, okay, that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, okay, wait to tell Maya his face,
Speaker 1: because I almost guarantee you she doesn't notice.
Speaker 2: Right. She says she's down to be on here, take
Speaker 2: vegan shots whatever she comes liquor with her. Let's look
Speaker 2: up the execution. This okay rock Raider.
Speaker 4: He scratched on my first album.
Speaker 2: He was on this album, he.
Speaker 4: Was on He's on All in It, and he's cutting
Speaker 4: on another record.
Speaker 3: And that's when I knew.
Speaker 4: When somebody is so good, it's hard for them to
Speaker 4: do something very simple.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 4: So imagine telling Steph, y'all just want you to just
Speaker 4: lay the ball up right here.
Speaker 2: Carry Yeah. I love how you call everybody the first name.
Speaker 2: He goes crazy with the names, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I shoot from way, I shoot from outside
Speaker 4: the gym.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, but just I just want you to
Speaker 2: lay it up. That's all you want.
Speaker 4: So I had Rock Raided in the studio and I'm
Speaker 4: telling him to do I'll say, He's like, how you
Speaker 4: want to scratched us?
Speaker 2: I wanted to liked.
Speaker 3: He like, that's ridiculous, and I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Just god, cop God, you.
Speaker 4: Could have done that yourself. I wasn't, but you know,
Speaker 4: Rock Raider, you know what I'm saying. I want him
Speaker 4: on a joint. So the tape run and they're like,
Speaker 4: I won, dude, and I'm like, no, that's not it,
Speaker 4: and he like, I thought you wanted God, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: That's what I want you to do. He like, that's it.
Speaker 4: You might run it back three times over God, this God.
Speaker 4: And in my mind, I'm going, he's so good he
Speaker 4: can't Dodd. I'm like, yo, you you gotta called one
Speaker 4: of your homies in here. Because he ended up doing it,
Speaker 4: but it took so long because and in my mind,
Speaker 4: I'm like, why you just can't do the Sumple ship
Speaker 4: and he like, that's what I do when I was ten.
Speaker 4: But to his defense, yeah, to his defense, he was
Speaker 4: so advanced. He saw and you're asking him dumb himself down.
Speaker 4: That represents him too, right, right, So when I when
Speaker 4: I hopped on the song with the executions, they was
Speaker 4: on loud and he reached back out and he asked him,
Speaker 4: He's like, your skills you working on the execution the album?
Speaker 2: Can I get a verse? I was like, of course,
Speaker 2: And the first thing that popped he tell you I want?
Speaker 4: He was like, yo, dude, you and the first thing
Speaker 4: I popped on mouth like yo, I should come in
Speaker 4: this jong and wrap like boning on the ship. I
Speaker 4: should come in here.
Speaker 2: And right like bone.
Speaker 3: Thus.
Speaker 4: I know they want some hip hop spinish ship, but
Speaker 4: I should come in here and fucking do triple syllables
Speaker 4: and ship because because you know what I mean I want.
Speaker 4: It was just like an inside joke with him. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the execution is man's like for the dopest DJs, but ever.
Speaker 2: Sing in my life. They changed the game, them and
Speaker 2: the beat junkies. You know what I'm saying. Everybody and
Speaker 2: the allies from Miami the same way.
Speaker 1: You have a story about Common, right, and could you
Speaker 1: not I don't know if you're on Common sat down
Speaker 1: and spoke about it recently.
Speaker 2: No, we haven't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love them, but I held the grudge phone.
Speaker 1: But this is what I'm trying to say is Commember
Speaker 1: probably sit down and be like his mind was so
Speaker 1: he probably won't even remember that, right. Is there anybody
Speaker 1: in this world that has a story about you like that?
Speaker 2: Man? You just somebody?
Speaker 1: Yeah, every one of us, just one person by mistake, accident.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing I take it. So I remember one.
Speaker 4: I remember one girl telling me. She was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't even remember me. I gave I gave you,
Speaker 4: I spit some balls and you told me I just
Speaker 4: need to stop rapping. And I was like, but that's
Speaker 4: kind of sound like a little bit say that.
Speaker 3: I would never say that to a person. It's another dude.
Speaker 2: This guy said that guy.
Speaker 4: There's another dude. There was another dude. It was on Instagram,
Speaker 4: so he says, he says it was I think I
Speaker 4: might have posted somebody. It was big birthday and I
Speaker 4: put up the big story. But when he said, damn,
Speaker 4: do your tims leaning and he said, yeah, I remember
Speaker 4: being backstage at a club in Norfolk and you was
Speaker 4: behind Julir mafia and the story sounded like right, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, you ain't fighting in the hood. I
Speaker 4: was probably rolling with them with money, alling them like yeah,
Speaker 4: you got to the back door and they closed the
Speaker 4: back door and they ain't let you in and you
Speaker 4: were standing back some about the mad skills.
Speaker 2: I was like, I would never.
Speaker 4: Say no shit like that, like you had me up
Speaker 4: until the end. No you said that shit. You said
Speaker 4: that shit, gee, And I was like, I don't remember
Speaker 4: saying that. Bro, Like so like, how you something with Rapp?
Speaker 4: And he was like, Yo, why is it always the
Speaker 4: negative comment and we always run to It could be
Speaker 4: one hundred people telling you great, your dangy change my life,
Speaker 4: and it's that one. But it's like we have to
Speaker 4: overcome that negativity because this is what I realized about
Speaker 4: social media. These motherfuckers. They don't care if they wrong
Speaker 4: or they right. They just want to get attention. I
Speaker 4: don't have that bone in my body because I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm still really outside, So I can't go on my
Speaker 4: podcasts and just say yo, she trash her whole song trash.
Speaker 4: If I ever saw her, yo, I probably just mush
Speaker 4: in her face.
Speaker 2: She trash.
Speaker 4: Because I might be somewhere DJing and the nigga might
Speaker 4: come and say Yo, what you say about my niece.
Speaker 2: You can't Joe button niggas. You're saying, I.
Speaker 4: Can't do that, you know what I'm saying. So because
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm still really outside. So for me, it's
Speaker 4: like I realized that they not they don't want to
Speaker 4: be right or they don't want to be wrong. They
Speaker 4: just want to get attention so that it's put there
Speaker 4: to get a reaction. So people get online and say
Speaker 4: the most outland of ship.
Speaker 3: Just because they go, Yo, look I got this.
Speaker 4: I got like eighty I got eighty thousand likes off
Speaker 4: it's crazy ass coming like, but sometimes people remember, sometimes
Speaker 4: it's started to be butts.
Speaker 2: This is crazy shit.
Speaker 1: This is the reason why I when I post, I post,
Speaker 1: and I basically get the fuck out of the gotcha,
Speaker 1: I get out of there. You drop on tweets, I drive,
Speaker 1: I do drop like I do draw tweets.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: I might stay on the ground for a little because
Speaker 1: it's something that my cleaning.
Speaker 2: Lady taught me. You're clearly, let's hear this something that
Speaker 2: she taught me. For years, I would's roaches and then
Speaker 2: this I'm gonna be back later blunts. Right, this is
Speaker 2: all related like a bigger you say, I come back
Speaker 2: to you later.
Speaker 1: But for years she would come into my astray and
Speaker 1: if if it's these bunchs that you come back to later,
Speaker 1: she would throw them, sister fuck away.
Speaker 2: She's a good clean And then I would be like, yo,
Speaker 2: you can't tell.
Speaker 1: And then I started to think about it, and it's like,
Speaker 1: how could she tell? This is good blunts? Is two
Speaker 1: or three good blunts and a world full of fucking track,
Speaker 1: She's supposed to throw the ship out.
Speaker 2: That's what I feel about social media.
Speaker 1: It's like, even though I might be the good blunt,
Speaker 1: I'm standing in the fucking food full of astrays.
Speaker 2: So that's so profound.
Speaker 1: Pound I clean, like like like I swear to God
Speaker 1: because I'm like, yo, because I swear, I'm gonna embarrass myself.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping there with y'all. I've been smoking hash much lately,
Speaker 1: and I've been smoking diamonds.
Speaker 2: You know, it is bad expensive. So when I put
Speaker 2: this ship out, is she doing the way I went in?
Speaker 2: The garbage? It's the brand new you know.
Speaker 1: She had just took out the bag, but literally just
Speaker 1: that garbage. And I went in and I picked the
Speaker 1: two or three that was good out, And then I
Speaker 1: looked at my wife is.
Speaker 4: Looking at me, and she's like, why you're digging in
Speaker 4: the She's like, you look like George from Seinfeld, Like
Speaker 4: what are you doing in the fucking garbage?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't even explain, like these months
Speaker 1: are like a.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars and that, and I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, not gonna make sense, and I'm like and
Speaker 1: then I'm saying, yo, but that's the cleaning, like like
Speaker 1: she shouldn't have she should have known she's and look,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how can she knows what's good and
Speaker 1: what's bad? It's all it's in a That's that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about social media. It's like, how could you
Speaker 1: find out who the fuck is the good of? It's
Speaker 1: all in the fucking bad, full of fucking as that
Speaker 1: should be dumped out.
Speaker 3: But it's also true.
Speaker 4: Also a too that we got to use because it's
Speaker 4: you can't the one thing we can't change and run
Speaker 4: from his technology.
Speaker 3: So I love the.
Speaker 4: Fact that you could have an idea today and sell
Speaker 4: it to everybody to fuck with you tomorrow. You could say, yo, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 4: y'all saw that ship I did Saturday. You're talking about
Speaker 4: your bottles if I threw them up up or somebody saying, yo,
Speaker 4: Noiri's performing in Connecticut tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You can be like, no, I'm not that bag ain't come.
Speaker 4: So nobody's gonna go to that show because they, like
Speaker 4: Norry said it on his page from him, he's not
Speaker 4: scheduled to perform at that.
Speaker 3: I like how you can like that. I like you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I like you, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something. Whenever I want to
Speaker 1: feel humble, you go home, I go to say something
Speaker 1: to Ship just just so they can just attack me,
Speaker 1: and I'd like, ah, like like.
Speaker 4: I feel I feel like I feel like at some
Speaker 4: point I might do like some sort of experiment where
Speaker 4: I just start saying the craziest ship just to see
Speaker 4: how oh yes.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, you know what I mean. Yes, and you'll
Speaker 1: create a whole nother audience. Yeah, just for this to see.
Speaker 4: And when it happens, you look at you all gonna
Speaker 4: read the tweet and like skills probably doing that thing
Speaker 4: he said, you know, because there's no way you believe
Speaker 4: what he just said, right, Your son is why and
Speaker 4: it's gonna get to a point where you're gonna be like,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If he sucking.
Speaker 2: I got to yo. You know you're wild right now.
Speaker 2: You know it's like thinking about how many people were.
Speaker 4: Even thinking to say that, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 4: it's a crazy space, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: This is a two part question. One.
Speaker 1: I heard you say that you could be You could
Speaker 1: be great. You just can't be the best if someone
Speaker 1: goes right for you, right. I also wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you because in this new day and age, when I
Speaker 1: watch these young kids perform, I don't see.
Speaker 2: The perform on the beat. I see them perform with
Speaker 2: the vocals. Yes, can they consider their self real?
Speaker 1: See if you're performing with the talking about the whole
Speaker 1: show with the vocals on it is that considered?
Speaker 2: And so it's a two part question.
Speaker 1: So performing if you're rhyming with the vocals, and can
Speaker 1: you ever be considered a goat if you had.
Speaker 3: Someone goes right, you can't be considered a goat.
Speaker 4: You can't if you if somebody wrote for you, Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: You can still be considered one of the best.
Speaker 4: You could be one of the best, but you can't
Speaker 4: be the got okay, they had to come from you.
Speaker 4: The analogy of performing over vocals, I think that shit
Speaker 4: started when people started just going to clubs. But it
Speaker 4: wasn't a performance. It was just yo, so and sow
Speaker 4: them over there, got a section we just on so
Speaker 4: is that tonight? And their sound systems and they will go,
Speaker 4: they will go. And you didn't get paid to perform.
Speaker 4: You just got paid to be there. So the promoter
Speaker 4: might try to sneak this. You might try to throw
Speaker 4: something in, Yo, We're gonna throw on your joint.
Speaker 3: If you want to say something to the people.
Speaker 4: They hoping you're gonna do your song, and they're like, nah,
Speaker 4: ain't he't paid for the performance money, Like you just
Speaker 4: getting boom boom boom. So you got a DJ there,
Speaker 4: he just gonna play your He don't got the TV track,
Speaker 4: he don't got the instrumental.
Speaker 3: That ain't your DJ. So you throwing the record.
Speaker 4: And that that's the way you can move in different
Speaker 4: cities without having a DJ. So if the DJ at
Speaker 4: the club just play your record and you wrap over it,
Speaker 4: you don't got pay for that plane ticket, you don't
Speaker 4: got pay for.
Speaker 1: That hotel room. Yeah, but I think you're talking about
Speaker 1: our day. I'm thinking about right now. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: these cats now. But right now you got a hard drive,
Speaker 1: you got you got that in your phone, you got
Speaker 1: your instrumental.
Speaker 2: Look, okay, I don't even think they make instrumentals.
Speaker 6: Hold on, guys, and some of them, I don't know
Speaker 6: that someone whose man artist. A side of that is
Speaker 6: having artists perform at terrible venues that had terrible sound systems,
Speaker 6: where the mics were horrible, and some of these younger
Speaker 6: artists was like, I'm not gonna go through that again.
Speaker 6: I'd rather relate my my my record with my vocals
Speaker 6: and I'll just try to do the best I can
Speaker 6: over it. And it became I'm not going to chance
Speaker 6: having bad mics and bad sound systems.
Speaker 4: That's gonna sound like monitors. If the if the sound
Speaker 4: in the club is trash, the hit record ain't gonna
Speaker 4: hit Dreams of Nightmas ain't gonna hit the same way
Speaker 4: speakers and hear trash period because the audience is blaming
Speaker 4: the artist, right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. You know, really really really really
Speaker 1: really really taught us that was Compona Noriega were on
Speaker 1: the worldwide tour. There's certain records that they didn't make
Speaker 1: instrumentals far back then, right, so.
Speaker 2: We didn't have time, We didn't know. We went to Europe,
Speaker 2: we do an hour and a half show.
Speaker 1: We go go because we only do like thirty forty
Speaker 1: minutes in America. So we think it like, we toy
Speaker 1: it down. We get off the stage, they're like, how
Speaker 1: do you like the show? They're like the vocals, man, yeah.
Speaker 2: We like what.
Speaker 1: We just get y'all extra twenty five minutes and it
Speaker 1: was like they didn't care. It's like yo, but you
Speaker 1: guys wrapped over the vocals and we're.
Speaker 2: Like, why am I coming to see you? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And this was this was only like records like that
Speaker 1: that we didn't have have, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, So like like super super Underground B B side,
Speaker 1: Super C side, I don't even know if that's the thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I'm like.
Speaker 4: When you left the studio, any engineer that has a
Speaker 4: right frame of mind is going to give you the
Speaker 4: main song, the clean version of TV tracks, instrumental, the
Speaker 4: TV track, and the Hoka fucking peal.
Speaker 3: You supposed to have all that.
Speaker 4: When you lead a studio anywhere for every record, but
Speaker 4: every most engineers on only doing it for what did
Speaker 4: you say the single was?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's where that's coming.
Speaker 4: But you should have it for every record, and that's
Speaker 4: just about being prepared. But these kids they don't you know,
Speaker 4: they don't care about that.
Speaker 2: No, do you think it's ever gonna change? Hell? No,
Speaker 2: we stuck, stuck. Yeah, we fun. I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: take a shot to that.
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me let me have you ever seen
Speaker 1: the movie Idiocracy?
Speaker 2: Okay? Hold up, man, we didn't even.
Speaker 1: I suggest you see that movie Idiocracy because that's what
Speaker 1: we're stuck Nori.
Speaker 2: Yo? Man? So's anything else you have to say.
Speaker 3: To h anything I missed? I got movie out?
Speaker 2: You check the movie? Okay, where's the movie?
Speaker 4: I was on YouTube with streaming. I did a movie
Speaker 4: called Mad Skills in the nineties. Girl brunch about that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I saw.
Speaker 2: I saw.
Speaker 4: When I saw a rap man on here, I was
Speaker 4: super inspired because I was like, damn, like the nigga
Speaker 4: went from right wrap.
Speaker 2: Ups, the right movies, the TV shows.
Speaker 4: So but I already have mine, but I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 4: dive more into film. Still teaching, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know, still writing, doing a lot of TV sync work,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So yeah, you know, having
Speaker 4: fun with it. Is it ever a chance for you
Speaker 4: as you to wrap up together?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Nah, beef, It's just no, no, no, there's no beef.
Speaker 2: I got you know, I got love for him. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I never ever, we never even met.
Speaker 2: It's crazy part that's funny. We talked. We talked in
Speaker 2: the d M one time. So funny, dude.
Speaker 4: So I can you know you're here wild, funny nag,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like my stance on him
Speaker 4: now from what it was before, this is definitely like
Speaker 4: it's crazy. Like when I stopped, when I stopped doing
Speaker 4: the wrap up, when I look at all of the
Speaker 4: ship that I did in that time since I've been
Speaker 4: here last, it's like, I don't even miss the song.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I did the jay Z Rock and Roll of Fame BT,
Speaker 4: I did a festival in my city. I didn't did
Speaker 4: a film, you know what I'm saying. Like I did
Speaker 4: so much in that time, so I don't miss I
Speaker 4: don't miss it at all, even though people still hit
Speaker 4: me up about it.
Speaker 2: I don't miss it at all. Do you have a
Speaker 2: favorite wrap up? You did the first one?
Speaker 4: The first one, Yeah, that was the inaugural one. Man.
Speaker 4: I remember I listened to it, maybe not too long
Speaker 4: ago when I was like, uh, I got to the
Speaker 4: point where I was like I said, I said, Snoop,
Speaker 4: stop smoking in though Michael Jackson put his baby out
Speaker 4: the window. And it's like they because it's like they
Speaker 4: time capsules.
Speaker 3: Man. You go back and listen to them and they
Speaker 3: tell you so much.
Speaker 4: And when I think about all of the people that
Speaker 4: you know, have you know, borrowed that concept, like like
Speaker 4: you know, we talked about rap man and I just
Speaker 4: hit Nate Burroson today. He used to do an NFL
Speaker 4: wrap up you on Good Morning America. Now you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, like we talked about before, so
Speaker 4: many franchises and just people just just doing their own
Speaker 4: version of it. So I'm glad I started something that
Speaker 4: people love, and now it's just time to keep keep
Speaker 4: starting new traditions.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, for sure, We'll
Speaker 2: continue to do your thing.
Speaker 1: Man, hope everybody's right.
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