1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio Podcast. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special edition of the most Dramatic 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: podcast ever. I'm Chris Harrison alongside Lauren Zema from her 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas, we woke to the very 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: sad news that legendary Dancing with the Stars judge had 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: Judge Lynn Goodman had passed away at the age of 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: seventy eight. Lynn was just known as a wonderful, kind 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: giving man. Obviously we all loved to have millions did 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: watching Dancing with the Stars all those years. He died 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: in his home, surrounded by his family. He had been 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: battling bone cancer for quite some time and stepped away 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: from the show to spend time back home. But when 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: so much in this day and age is made of 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: people that are divisive, people that are angry, why not 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: do a show about someone that everybody just loved. Lynn 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: was one of those guys that everybody could just rally around. 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: Even when he was being kind of critical of the dancers, 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: you knew it came out of a good place. 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 2: They all respected him one hundred percent, and we wanted 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: to give a couple of those people who worked with 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: him for so long the time to share their memories 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: with him. I think we're also in a day and 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: age where you know, somebody passes and it's kind of 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 2: a quick blip and then it's on to the next 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 2: And you and I were both just so involved with 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: this show. I covered Dancing with the Stars for six 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: seven years with Entertainment Tonight. You saw several bachelor people 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: go on the show, and you'd attended several times, and 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: so we just wanted to reach out to some of 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: our dancer friends and former contestant friends and share some 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: memories of Len and talk about a show that we 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: both loved and a guy who everybody, as you said, 33 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: loved and respected. 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: I remember when the show was being pitched and an 35 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: ABC executive came in our control room and said, we're 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: talking about so By the way, Lynn was also the 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: judge of Strictly Calm Dancing. That is what Dancing with 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: the Stars is. It was a BBC show first, same 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: thing celebrities, you know, dancing with pro dancers. Lynn was 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: on that show and for many years he would go 41 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: back and forth between the BBC show and then come 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: to Hollywood and do Dancing with the Stars. And when 43 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: I remember what it was pitched. I'm like, I don't 44 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: know slabs pro dancers. Clearly I was wrong. And Tony 45 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: Bernielli who was also a judge, He came over from 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: Strictly Come Dancing and they spent many, many years together. 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: But I remember Trista Wrenn. Trista was the first. She 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: was our bachelorette, and she was the first person ever 49 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: voted off Dancing with the Stars. She was, Yes, she 50 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: has the dubious honors. 51 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: So when they was the first elimination of the first season. 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: And they of the show. So when the show started, 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: you know that that started this symbiotic relationship. Obviously we're 54 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: all in the ABC family on primetime and Dancing with 55 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: Air when The Bachelor wasn't on, and so often they 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: used people from our show. Well, it all started with Trista, 57 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: our first bachelorette. But yeah, she had dubious honor. The 58 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: first person in the history of the show ever voted 59 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: off was Trista. 60 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, it also sort of became kind of a controversial 61 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: battle between your shows. I guess I would interview pros 62 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: a lot of the time, would say some of them 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: that they struggled with when Bachelor contestants were on because 64 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: they would have this strong fandom voting for them that 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: wasn't actually watching Dancing with the Stars like the Bachelor Nation, 66 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: fans would vote for the contestants, but they weren't actually watching, 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: which bothered the pros sometimes and it also sort of 68 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: held over contestants head sometimes whether they would be able 69 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: to go be on the show. 70 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Well, like I mean, you remember infamously, you remember Sean 71 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: Loh did so well because he was so beloved. Caitlin Bristow, 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Hannah Brown, those are the people that did so great 73 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: on the show, and they danced really well. Not Sean, 74 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: the ladies did. And he'll be the first to tell you, 75 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: but you're right, I remember you. During the voting, it 76 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: was a lot of well, this is a popularity contest. 77 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: The Bachelor has this built in fandom, and it just 78 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: went to show up about how beloved these people were 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: when they came off The Bachelor of bache Arette at 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: the time. 81 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: But Lenn rose above it all. 82 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: He did well. And to your point, I was on 83 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: the show quite a bit where I would stop by 84 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: and support whoever it was that was dancing at the time, 85 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: and I spent a lot of time with the judges. 86 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: I knew Carrie and Ama very well and got to 87 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: meet Lynn and spend a lot of time with him. 88 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: We'd be at ABC events. Just always such a kind, 89 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: good man, just a gentleman, Always a smile on his face, 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: a twinkle in his eye, always light on his step. 91 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: He looked and carried himself like a dancer, which he, 92 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: by the way, was he in his teens. He was 93 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: a competitive dancer and went on I believe it was 94 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: in his late twenties when he won the British championship. 95 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: He was the best dancer in the UK. So that's 96 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: where it came from. It came from his competitive edge. 97 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: And when he stopped competitive dancing, he's like, I'm done 98 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 1: with that. But obviously he was perfect for this job 99 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: which was created and then came to the States and 100 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars. 101 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: That's something I love about Dancing with the Stars is 102 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: that the judges have always been people with legitimate experience. 103 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: You know, It's not like when Ellen DeGeneres was member, 104 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: when she was brought on to judge American Idol, right, 105 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: and everybody's like, why is this half right? But you know, 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: Lenn had an incredible pedigree, and I think I read 107 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: in one of the obituaries written about him this really 108 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: sweet quote. He said something like, you know, I'm just 109 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 2: a guy who got lucky. He was always very humble 110 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: as well that he became this dancer, But in terms 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: of this fame and becoming this judge and being on television, 112 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 2: he just viewed that he got lucky. 113 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: He did an interview and he said, I want this 114 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: to be my obituary. He said, you can write it, 115 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: he said, and this is the quote you were talking about. 116 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: He was a dance teacher from Dartford who got lucky. 117 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 1: Because that's just about the truth of it. The self 118 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: deprecation clearly in that, but it doesn't tell the story 119 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: of how beloved he was. And so Elsie and I thought, 120 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: let's do a show just for a good man that 121 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: left a big impression on millions of people as we 122 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: watched him for the better part of two decades. And 123 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: as Lauren said, we're going to talk to some former 124 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: professional dancers, a couple of the celebrities who danced on 125 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: the show, and just hear their stories, the people that 126 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: were in the trenches with them day in and day out, 127 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: and so Lenn Goodman, this show is for you. Lindsay 128 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: Arnold became a professional dancer on season sixteen of Dancing 129 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: with the Stars. At the time, I remember when she 130 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: came in. If I'm not mistaken, it was about the 131 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: same time Whitney came in. 132 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: Yes, we've all started the same season. 133 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: I remember meeting both of you at an ABC event. 134 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: You were the second youngest dancer and Dance with the 135 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: Star's history. Obviously you heard the story about Lenn passing away, 136 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: and I know he was someone near and dear to you, 137 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: as he was to everybody in that Dancing with the 138 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: Stars family. Can you shed some light on who he was, 139 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: what he meant? 140 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, I think the outpouring of love that 141 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: we've seen has just really just paid tribute to him 142 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 3: as a person. But I don't think there's enough that 143 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: we could possibly say or do to like truly capture 144 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: how incredible this man was. I was somebody who had 145 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: watched Dancing with the Stars from season one, started out 146 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: as a die hard fan, like twelve year old me 147 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: sitting on my couch every single week, and Len was 148 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: always there, like he was a part of the show 149 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: from the beginning, and truly. The best way I can 150 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: discreim is he was the heart of the show, Like 151 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: he really really was. So it was so cool for 152 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: me because coming from a position of being a fan 153 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: watching these judges and watching Len in particular, and then 154 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: getting to be a part of the show and getting 155 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: to interact with him, I have to say, honestly, and 156 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: I think everybody would probably say the same thing, like 157 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: Len gives off this really like mean, like he gave 158 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: off this I'm a grumpy man vibe. But it was 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: the coolest thing ever to have that switch from like 160 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: feeling that and being like, oh, I'm so nervous to 161 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: meet Len, to literally be the most welcoming, warm, kind 162 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: person I had ever met in my life. It was 163 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 3: the coolest shift, Like, and it was that first season. 164 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: I saw it right away, Like it didn't take a 165 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: long time for me to see this incredible man that 166 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: he was. It was pretty instantaneous where I'm like, no, 167 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: he is a kind human and he says it like 168 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: it is, which is what made the show so incredible. 169 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: He never held back and he wasn't going to sugarcoat things, 170 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: and that's why I think people respected about him so much. 171 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: Lin's it seemed to me, And actually I should share 172 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: one thing about Len was he really didn't do the 173 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: press lines much because he usually was like flying back 174 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: to England. And I don't know how much you hung 175 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: out with him off stage, you know, in between when 176 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: the cameras were actually rolling. But was he that same 177 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: person or it seemed to me always like he would 178 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: be the type who'd probably come up to you after 179 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: the cameras stopped rolling and still give you that same feedback, 180 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: and that he was genuine through and through and he 181 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: would even be tough on you behind the scenes a 182 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: little bit, but in a good way. 183 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: That is exactly it. It's that there was nothing like 184 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: him putting on a show. What you saw from Len, 185 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 3: no matter when it was is what was truly him. 186 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 3: And I think that was so special about him is 187 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: he was authentic to his core. And it's true he 188 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: would not come off stage and be like sorry I 189 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: had to say that. No he said something, it's because 190 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: he meant it, he felt it, he stood behind it, 191 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: and we all really respected that because we're like, that's 192 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: your opinion, that is what your job is. 193 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: Not to take anything. It all away from Carrie An 194 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: and Bruno who were lovely in their own right and 195 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: added their own little thumbprint to the show. But when 196 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: you're standing there as a dancer with your celebrity partner 197 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: and you're awaiting the judge's words, how much weight and 198 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: what did it mean when Len spoke? 199 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: Oh, that was everything, And like you said, it's like 200 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: no disrespect to the other judges, but Len was like 201 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: you cared so much about Len's opinion and it was 202 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: a universal thing, like we all felt it. And I 203 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: think it's just because of that authenticity that we knew 204 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: was there, Like we knew that what he said was 205 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: what he felt, and like we knew it was coming 206 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: from a place of like, Okay, whatever Len says, I've 207 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: got to listen to that. And it's true. It's true 208 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: for the good and the bad. If Lenn said something bad, 209 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: it hits you a little bit harder than the others. 210 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: And when he said something really good, you were like 211 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: even that much more stoked. And I love that, like 212 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: him getting a ten from Len became this thing that 213 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: like was such a prized possession. 214 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: It meant so much, the ten from Lenn. 215 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: It literally was like prize. And it's funny because I 216 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: feel like, as pros, we would kind of have to 217 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 3: explain that to our celebs because the celebs come in, 218 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: they're like a ten from Anyone's fine, We're like, yes, yes, 219 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 3: but yeah, the ten from Len. Because I feel like, 220 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: here's the thing. I feel like Len was one of 221 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: the most known judges to kind of talk to the 222 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: pros as well, to get after the pros if there 223 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: wasn't enough content, and kind of I feel like he 224 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: was the first one to kind of start not like 225 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: like discouraging the pros, but in a way like he 226 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: would be hard on us and it was good because 227 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: we needed it and we needed to hear that. So 228 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: it's like when we got that positive feedback from him, 229 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: I feel like it was also like he was giving 230 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: us a pat on the back, which felt really really good. 231 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: How did he balance that with you, Lindsey? Or maybe 232 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: was it hard in the beginning though, because you and 233 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: Whitney were so young. I mean, you're not even you know, 234 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: full grown, experienced adult professional dancers on stage at that point, 235 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: but you're up there getting the feedback from Len along 236 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: with everybody else. 237 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a little bit scary. I 238 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: think too, because when Whitney and I joined the show. 239 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: I feel like it started kind of shifting from being 240 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: just strict ballroom, Like all you saw was ballroom. There 241 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: was never any other styles or anything kind of incorporated. 242 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: And because we were cross trained, we did bring a 243 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: little bit of that, like we'd do a chow job, 244 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: but maybe we'd throw a little hip hop section in there, 245 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: and you know, Len hasn't always loved that, so but 246 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: it was cool because here's the thing, there was such 247 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: a respect between Len and the pros, Like we knew 248 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: what he liked to see, and we knew if we 249 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: were going to go a little different that he probably 250 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: was wasn't going to be on board with it. And 251 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: I feel like he always just paid so much respect 252 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: to the pros for our work, but then at the 253 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: same time was like, this is what I like and 254 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 3: you know that, and if you're gonna choose not to 255 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: do it, then I'm going to comment on it. So 256 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: it was like this mutual respect. But I feel like 257 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: it definitely shook things up when things started shifting a 258 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 3: little bit. 259 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: To echo off what LZ was just saying, Lens was, 260 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: was he a bit of a father figure? He was 261 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: probably a bit of a father figure over the entire franchise, 262 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: but to you and Whitney, maybe in a very real 263 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: way because you were so young, did he have that 264 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: effect on you? Did he kind of take you under 265 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: his wing of like helping you along as you were 266 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: so young starting on this show. 267 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: I think the guidance that Len gave from behind the 268 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: table for me personally, I mean, he can't speak for everybody, 269 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: but for me personally was such a very It was 270 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: a driving force for the way that I became as 271 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: a choreographer, as a teacher, because, like I said, I 272 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: came into the show, I had a lot of different 273 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: style experience, and I wanted to be individual, Like I 274 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: wanted to bring a new flavor, something different that everybody 275 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: hadn't seen. But the same time, I feel like Len 276 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: really guided me and helped me make sure I was 277 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: keeping the integrity of the show and maintaining what the 278 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: show is all about, but then also like bringing my 279 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: own flair, and I love that he encouraged but also 280 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: like kept us in line. I think that was I 281 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: think it's very important. I think it's the reason that 282 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 3: the show has done as well as it has because 283 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: he really helped keep the integrity of the show. 284 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: Well, you've spoken him so well. Uh, Lin's even in 285 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: just these few minutes. And I got to ask you though, 286 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: and I have to thank you because I was just 287 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: looking at your Instagram story before you came on here. 288 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: You're not like heading to the hospital in a minute, 289 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: are you, because. 290 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: I just I mean, we hope not, but it could. 291 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: My du date is. 292 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,119 Speaker 3: Next Friday, so I'm like, we could go at any point. 293 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: Which is exciting. 294 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: Okay, let's do it. 295 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: Let's make it happen. 296 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: You're pregnant with baby number two. And I felt back 297 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: as I messaged you, can you please come do this 298 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: tribute to Len? And then I was looking at your 299 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: Instagram stories and You're like, I'm on one cent of 300 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: your time. 301 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: You're literally sitting here in labor technically who he's talking 302 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: to you right? 303 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: So but it's worth it. 304 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 5: It is. 305 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 3: When I heard you were doing this for Lin, I'm like, 306 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: of course, like I I can't like of course, of 307 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: course he was so special to me, to everybody. I mean, 308 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: it means so much that you're doing this too, So 309 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: I'm glad I could be a part of it. 310 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: Well, before I let you go have a baby, do 311 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: you have a goodbye story before before we leave you 312 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: that just kind of encapsulates Len. Something you remember, something 313 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: that you'll always remember. 314 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: I'll never forget this because it was one of my 315 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: worst moments on the show and also one of my best. 316 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: This was season twenty two. My partner was yan Ye Morris. 317 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: It was the semi finals, very important week. Me and 318 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: wan Yer had like a really really great dance, like 319 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: probably one of his strongest dances. We were put last 320 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: in the show, like everything was set up for us 321 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: to be like good, and we had some props in 322 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: this dance and I dropped my prop and wan Ye, 323 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: my partner, slipped on the prop that I dropped, okay, 324 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: and then messed up like the entire rest of the routine, 325 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: and it was my fault. And I've never cried or 326 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: lost it, but I lost it. I was just a mess. 327 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: And funny enough, that same night they did the they 328 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: haven't done this in a while, but they paired the 329 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: judges with a couple of couples and like had them 330 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: to a dance together, and it was me and juan 331 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: Ye Morris, and then it was Val and ginger Z. 332 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: We did a dance and Len was our judge, and 333 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: he actually danced with us, and we had to do 334 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: that shortly after I had just had this full debacle, 335 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: and I remember that I am like in tears, just 336 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: like feeling so miserable. Len walks out. He had like 337 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: a ruffel shirt on, and part of the dance was 338 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: we did like some shimmies with him, and we're backstage practicing, 339 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: and I just had this like surreal moment that I'll 340 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: literally never forget, looking at Len, looking at where we were, 341 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: realizing that I'm dancing with this legend, this person that 342 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: I grew up watching admiring, and now get to work alongside. 343 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: I'm shimmying with him on national television. Like there's literally 344 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: nothing that could get me down in that moment, and 345 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: it was so cool because I needed it and just 346 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: his energy like that was also a really cool time 347 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: for me because it went from that was I think 348 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: my first experience with Len, where it went from like 349 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: we're we have this kind of like student teacher situation 350 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: till we were working together. We quographed the dance together 351 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: and then taught the celebrities together, and it was just 352 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: such a special moment and I'll never forget because it 353 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: was literally one of my worst nights on Dance with 354 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: the Stars, and then he made it one of my 355 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 3: most memorable things that I will literally never forget. 356 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: Clearly a man that left an impression on you, as 357 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: he did millions of other people. Lindsay Arnold, thank you 358 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: so much. Danced for a decade, ten years on Dancing 359 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: with the Stars. Hard to believe, yes, and even harder 360 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: to believe that she's sitting there in labor right now. 361 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: And let me just say, God, bless you on a healthy, happy, 362 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: beautiful baby. 363 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 364 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: That means so much to me. 365 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. We love you, Lenz. Could we 366 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: see you back on the show where I actually haven't 367 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: talked to you in a while, or are you like 368 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: busy at home with babies now? 369 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: So I don't really know. I really like people ask 370 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: all the time, and like I've not closed the door 371 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: at all, Like I definitely have not. I've never said like, 372 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: oh I'm done forever. And when I had the conversation 373 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: with the show, it was really just like timing. It's 374 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 3: just gonna have to be a timing thing. 375 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: So we'll see. 376 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: I'm sure that two kids is going to rock my 377 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: world even more than one, so we will see how 378 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: those things. 379 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 5: First. 380 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: Let's just let's take care of the baby this week out, then. 381 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 3: We'll assess how things are. 382 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: So many congrats and thank you for talking to us, 383 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll see in person soon. 384 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 3: Thanks Linz, guys, Thank you guys, have a good day. 385 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: Joining us. 386 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 5: Now. 387 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: Another professional dancer, Emma Slater, who kind of came to 388 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: the show maybe a little bit differently. She was part 389 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: of the troupe, uh, you know, the ensemble that would 390 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: dance in the show, and then out of that was 391 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: picked to be one of the professional dancers and has 392 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: gone on to have an amazing career on Dance with 393 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: the Stars. So, Imma, just first of all, the sad 394 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: news about lenn and what he meant to you. 395 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was so heartbreaking to me. Len is like 396 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 6: a grandfather and he's been in my life since I 397 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 6: was about twelve or thirteen. We're both from England and 398 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 6: I grew up in the competitive world and Len is 399 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 6: actually a very very very well respected judge from England. 400 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 6: He grew up he's like the legend of ballroom and 401 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 6: so he would judge a lot of the competitions that 402 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 6: I was at so overall, losing him, someone who has 403 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 6: been a part of my life throughout many different facets 404 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 6: of it, was really shocking. I was not expecting that. 405 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 6: I didn't know he was as sick as he was, 406 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 6: and I hope he wasn't in pain, but yeah, it 407 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 6: was a real shock yesterday. 408 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: Can you give a little more light on that, because 409 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: we all know Lyn over here in the States is 410 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and clearly he was strictly come 411 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: dancing with the BBC also though very visible, but maybe 412 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: talk about what a legend he was in dance. You've again, 413 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: he's been judging your competition since you were a little girl. 414 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: And he is the name, and he has a dance company, 415 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: he has a dance school in England, so his name 416 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: still carries on. 417 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's still good. 418 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 6: I mean he is as ballroom, as tight laced as 419 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 6: they come. He would turn up to these competitions which 420 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 6: were held every Sunday in England and everybody came, and 421 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 6: he would come and look so smart and dapper, always 422 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 6: in a suit. I remember I saw him in jeans 423 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 6: for the first time at Dancing with the Stars and 424 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 6: he was just backstage and he had a white t 425 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 6: shirt on and jeans, and I've never seen him outside 426 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 6: of a shirt or in any of the pants other 427 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 6: than trowser pants like soup pounds. So from me, it 428 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 6: was quite a shock, like I've never seen him so relaxed, 429 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 6: and he was talking about golf. 430 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 4: Actually he loved golf. But way back in England. 431 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 6: When he adjudicating, he was the Lend that you saw 432 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 6: on screen, only you didn't get to know how you know, 433 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 6: playful and wise and grumpy he was because he would 434 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 6: just be standing there with a pen and paper and 435 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 6: God bless him, he always marked me really well. So 436 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 6: I remember my parents would take me to every competition 437 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 6: where they knew he was a judge because they knew, oh, 438 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 6: Lens on the panel, he'll mark her into the finals. 439 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 6: So we would drive like sometimes four hours every Sunday 440 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 6: just to go to a competition where he was and 441 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 6: I might, honestly, I might even have got his autograph 442 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 6: when I was maybe twelve or thirteen because he was 443 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 6: such a legend. That was just the thing to do, 444 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 6: is you looked up to the people that were extremely 445 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 6: respected and wise in the field, and definitely Lend was 446 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 6: one of them. 447 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: Emma, I feel like you have a unique story then, 448 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: because most people say he critiques so harshly. What was 449 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: that connection that you had that he would mark you? 450 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 6: Well, I know, and well you know when I came 451 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 6: into the whole Dancing with the Stars realm and became 452 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 6: judged on national TV by him, he was the judge 453 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 6: that I absolutely generated the most I don't want to 454 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 6: say the word fear, but I was the most anxious 455 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 6: about Len's comment because he had judged me from such 456 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 6: a young age, and and so I really hung onto 457 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 6: his every word because he was an actual judge to me. 458 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 6: He wasn't just a TV judge. He used to do 459 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 6: that throughout my whole childhood and my whole adolescence. So 460 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 6: it was quite a shock to see him in this space. 461 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 6: It was almost like, oh, I couldn't get away from 462 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 6: like the actual judges of my childhood. But I actually 463 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 6: I managed to tell him that. So last season, obviously 464 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 6: he made this announcement or the show made the announcement 465 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 6: that Len was retiring. Absolute shocked to me. I was, 466 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 6: I'm very I'm such a sensitive person. I was balling 467 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 6: my eyes out. And then we went to it wasn't 468 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 6: a commercial break, but the set was changing, so I 469 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 6: had a few moments to go down to the judge's 470 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 6: table and grab his hands and say, hey, I can't 471 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 6: believe that you're retiring. 472 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 4: You've been part of my life for so long. 473 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 6: And I gave him a hug and I told him, 474 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 6: you know, remember when you would judge me when I 475 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 6: was a kid, and you were always the best to 476 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 6: me and so sweet. And somebody called it on camera, 477 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 6: and so I actually have that video last season of 478 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 6: me having this moment. And then I walked off and 479 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 6: I got all tiary and now I'm so grateful for 480 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 6: that and that I had those few short minutes with him, 481 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 6: because I mean, I guess time is precious, and I 482 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 6: just didn't know that he wouldn't be here for me 483 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 6: to say it to him anymore. 484 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: Good lesson, good lesson, And you talk to him. 485 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: And when was the last time he got an a 486 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: talk to him? Emma? 487 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: It was last season. 488 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 6: It was around about maybe a week after that was 489 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 6: the finals, and I congratulated and told him what an 490 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 6: amazing legacy he has in the show, and just congratulated 491 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 6: him for being a part of the show and. 492 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: Told him to told him to play golf. 493 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 6: He absolutely loved golf, so we would talk about that 494 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 6: quite a bit. Actually, I have no interest in golf whatsoever, 495 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 6: but I just knew that he would just talk about 496 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 6: it at the time and he would love it and 497 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 6: sort of like light up. So told him to do 498 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 6: all that and that I would be seeing him soon, 499 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 6: which course isn't going to happen, but he's always going 500 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 6: to be with us. 501 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad you have that moment. 502 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. 503 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 6: I really, looking back on it, it's made me think, God, 504 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 6: I got to take more of those moments with more people. 505 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like he was I mean I even 506 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: in covering the show, I was saying earlier he didn't 507 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 2: always do the press line. I think he did. He 508 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: keep a little bit of that private boundary even though 509 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: you guys still felt quite close to him. 510 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, even backstage, it's almost like you didn't know whether 511 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 6: you could go up to him because he did like 512 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 6: to take that line and sometimes you would. Sometimes he 513 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 6: would absolutely drill you on the dance floor. You'd be 514 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 6: standing there getting a comment. And I remember with James 515 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 6: Van der Beeek he said, tooty fruity, what a booty 516 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 6: and then and then afterwards you would want to go 517 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 6: and approach him and be like, oh, thank you for 518 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 6: your comments, or like that was that was such a 519 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 6: funny remark. Like you would always talk about tea or 520 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 6: prune Drew's or something quite essentially British, but you would 521 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 6: never know if you were able to come up to 522 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 6: him and talk to him, because he did like to 523 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 6: keep a separation. He loved being in his trailer, he 524 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 6: loved having his teas, and you know you did okay, 525 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 6: but sometimes he would sometimes he'd be like, love what 526 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 6: you did, and then you felt it, you. 527 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: Know, Well, can I ask you, I'm having known him 528 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: so long, what did you take from him about teaching? What? 529 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: What has? What did you learn from him that you've 530 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: brought into the way that you teach, the way that 531 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: you teach your partners, the way that you convey what 532 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: dances to somebody? 533 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 6: I think, I mean, Lenny's a person of fundamentals and 534 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 6: he really knows the rule book. So whenever things would 535 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 6: get a little bit crazy in the dances, he would 536 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 6: tell you to keep it in line, and he would 537 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 6: keep you in check and he would be like, don't 538 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 6: be rolling around on the floor, don't be crazy. All 539 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 6: these what wafty arm movements. He was a classic man 540 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 6: who really liked the simple elements and really appreciated the 541 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 6: quintessential beauty of his craft. And so I knew if 542 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 6: I wanted to please Len, I would choreograph it very traditionally, 543 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 6: and I would put a lot of the recognizable steps 544 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 6: in that I knew he loved and that I knew 545 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 6: were part of the boring world. And if I wanted to, like, 546 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 6: you know, make him grumpy, then just don't do any 547 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 6: of that and just do. 548 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 4: Your own thing. But you would hear it. You would 549 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 4: hear about it I get from him. 550 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 6: I really took the tradition is good, and I will 551 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 6: keep I will honor that and keep that for him. 552 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: Oh I like that. That's a good line right there. 553 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: Tradition is good, and you'll keep that. 554 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 6: There's definitely going to be something that I will do 555 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 6: in the future that will be dedicated to him, for sure. 556 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: And I think even taking the time. What's funny is 557 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: you're not too far from us. You're in Austin, but 558 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: you're only here briefly, so we're still doing this on zoom. 559 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: What are you doing down here? Are you meeting a cowboy. 560 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: What's going on? Can we set you up with a 561 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 2: nice Texas cowboy? 562 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 4: Oh, a Texas cowboy would be lovely. 563 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 6: I've not had the pleasure of meeting on the Texas 564 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 6: Cowboys so far in Austin, but I'm going to see 565 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 6: James van Derbeek and we were just talking about him 566 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 6: on the season, and actually our Fonso is going to 567 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 6: be here too, so we're actually having a mini reunion. 568 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 6: It was planned before the tragic news of Land, but 569 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 6: it will be actually quite nice to be amongst people 570 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 6: that can kind of celebrate and honor him. 571 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 4: So I'm just here visiting my friends for a couple 572 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 4: of days. 573 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: Well, Emma, thank you so much for the time. Truly 574 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it in your thoughts of Land and your perspective, 575 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: because you have a perspective nobody has, which is knowing 576 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: him virtually your entire life. So appreciate it. 577 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and thank you for honoring him. 578 00:26:53,359 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 4: I love that you guys are great. 579 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: It was great talking to a couple of the professional 580 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: dancers to get their perspective and their reverence of Len 581 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: and what he meant. But I wanted to talk to 582 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: a couple of the celebrities, and there are plenty that 583 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: came out of the Bachelor Bachelorette world, and one of 584 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: them joins me now from his home in Iowa. I 585 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: believe he's in Iowa right now. Chris Soles was our 586 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: bachelor and then he was, of course on Dancing with 587 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: the Stars. His dancing partner was Whitney Carson. I believe 588 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: it was season twenty of Dancing with the Stars. You 589 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: were on how you doing, Bud. 590 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 5: I'm well, Chris, how are you doing? Great? 591 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 7: Man? 592 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate you spending some time to talk about a 593 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: man that meant so much to everybody. And I wanted 594 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: to get a couple of celebrity perspectives on this. What 595 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: did Lynn mean to you guys as celebrity dancers? What 596 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: was his imp act? 597 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 7: You know? 598 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 8: The first time I met Lynn was outside a hotel 599 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 8: I think it's Orlando and in West Hollywood, and that 600 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 8: was when I just got He asked me the bachelor. 601 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 5: He had no idea who. 602 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 8: I was, and I knew who he was, and I 603 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 8: sat down next to him and I just told him 604 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 8: what I was going through. And I said, yeah, they 605 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 8: just asked me to be a bachelor, and whatever and. 606 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 5: He said, well, you know what that means. 607 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 8: I means you're probably gonna be in I'm Dancing with 608 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 8: the Stars like no now a chance in hell. And uh, yeah, 609 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 8: that was that was my first time meeting Lynn. And 610 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 8: then you know his impact on me. It was incredible 611 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 8: just to have a ton of respect for him. And 612 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 8: he brought a presence to that show that was you know, 613 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 8: brought a legitimacy to that show, which was remarkable, and 614 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 8: and uh and uh, just just a brilliant guy. 615 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: Obviously, the professional dancers talked about the reverence they had 616 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: and trying to get a good score and a good 617 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: word from Lend. But you're saying that the celebrities felt 618 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: that as well, even though that wasn't your world. 619 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 8: I think everyone respected that. I mean, when you go 620 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 8: into that world, you ark shut. He wanted to be 621 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 8: professional and and I don't know, I guess that's where 622 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 8: my heart was. 623 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 5: And and and you. 624 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 8: Couldn't you couldn't really argue with his his presence and 625 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 8: his background. He was the real deal, you know, and 626 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 8: and there was he wasn't in it to say say 627 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 8: things that were anything but the truth. 628 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: And when he seemed to, he seemed to appreciate. Uh, 629 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: and I remember you you you know, you and I 630 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: talked about this, if you're going to do it. He 631 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: appreciated when celebrities put their heart and soul into it 632 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: and actually went for it. He knew you weren't professional, 633 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: he knew you guys weren't great, but he really seemed 634 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: to appreciate your effort and your love of dance and 635 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: your love of all of that was dancing with the stars. 636 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: That seemed to be what resonated with me towards the 637 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: celebrities and and you in particular, because you did. You 638 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: were kind of the country guy. It's like, oh, he's 639 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: not really going to do this, but you did, like 640 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: you really sold out for that and you went for 641 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: it with all your heart as you typically do with 642 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: everything you do. Was that something that you felt from Lend. 643 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know hund percent. 644 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 8: I respect any person in any profession that that really, 645 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 8: as you know, has their heart in it, and he 646 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 8: had his heart in that profession. There was no question, 647 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 8: as do I with you know, whether it's farming or 648 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 8: what our experience together on the show on the batch, 649 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 8: are you're there, enter or you're out? Not those kind 650 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 8: of things resonate. You know, when you see somebody that 651 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 8: you just can't deny, that doesn't matter what you say. 652 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 5: Words are words are just options. When you when you 653 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 5: see somebody. 654 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 8: That has you just know, you just know, no, no 655 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 8: fool fool bullshit, you just know. And that was Len 656 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 8: and he was a good man. You just could tell. 657 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 8: And it's a loss to see him go. 658 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hey, Bud, I appreciate it. It's good to 659 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: see you again. And uh, I appreciate you pulling off 660 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: on the side of the road to share a few 661 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: words and thoughts and memories of uh Lynn goodman. I 662 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: appreciate it. And uh, you're good in life. Life treating 663 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: you well. 664 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 8: In Iowa, we are planting corn and uh just doing 665 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 8: God's work over here and one day at a time. 666 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, doing well. How are you? 667 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing wonderful. 668 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 5: Thank you. 669 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: Family is good, everybody's healthy and and uh that's that's 670 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: all right. And uh so I appreciate it. Was it 671 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: was good to see you at Well's wedding and I 672 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: miss seeing you and hopefully our pasti across again soon. 673 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 8: Likewise, like thanks for having me on. 674 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: Good to see you, man, Hi brother, take care. He 675 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: was our Bachelor, and then he appeared on season ten 676 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: of Dancing with the Stars joining me. Now, Jake, Pavelka, Jake, 677 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: it has been a while, my friend, How are you 678 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: doing it? 679 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 7: Sure? Has Chris doing really well? I missed you. 680 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 4: How's everything going really good? 681 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're uh, you know, reconvening under these circumstances. 682 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: But I wanted to get, you know, your perspective on 683 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: a guy that we all loved and adored, Lynn Goodman, 684 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: who passed away, and hearing the perspective of the celebrities, 685 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: I think is interesting because he was so revered as 686 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: this godfather and this you know, huge, huge all star 687 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: of dancing. So the professionals loved and adored him and 688 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: admired him. But I'm wondering, what did you think of 689 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: Lynn when you met him or heard of him as 690 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: a judge on Dancing? 691 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 7: Well, you know my takeaway from dancing as far as 692 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 7: you know, it's been been many, many years, but he 693 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 7: you know, Bruno Tagnoli is really funny carry in and 694 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 7: Abba is just a huge character with a huge personality, 695 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 7: brings a lot of the show. Lynn. Lynn was the 696 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 7: you know, the the cutting edge professional and he cared 697 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 7: about everybody. Uh, you know, he genuinely, no matter what 698 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 7: your skill level, gave you advice at your current level 699 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 7: to because he wanted to see you succeed. And I 700 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 7: think he was always disappointed, you know, when when somebody 701 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 7: just wasn't quite going to get it, or when somebody 702 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 7: had a breakthrough, and that's you know, that's that's the 703 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 7: most memorable takeaway. Something funny though, when when we were 704 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 7: shooting the show in twenty ten, they keep everybody at 705 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 7: the you know, at the same apartment complex there in 706 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 7: Los Angeles, real close to maybe s Television City. And 707 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 7: I don't know how old Linn was at the time, 708 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 7: but yeah, he wore a bright speedo by the pool. 709 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 7: You'd see him down there frequently getting some son. 710 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: A side of Lynn you didn't necessarily need to see 711 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: or or want to. 712 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 7: But you know what, that's okay because he was just 713 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 7: as happy as a lark by the pool, didn't care 714 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 7: what anybody thought. Such a great guy. I'm so sad 715 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 7: to learn that he's passed away. 716 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think everybody's sentiment is the same 717 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: of you know, one of the dancers we talked to 718 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: earlier just kind of summed it up as he was 719 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 1: the heart of the show, kind of this father's figure 720 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: and earning his respect, earning his words meant a lot 721 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: to you. 722 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 7: Guys, It really did, because Lynn was you know, I mean, 723 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 7: most of the people that are on Dancing with the Stars, 724 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 7: including the professionals, you know, they're they're entertainers. Lynn Lynn 725 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 7: is a dancer and a teacher, instructor, a very effective instructor, 726 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 7: because you know, one of the big things on that show. 727 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 7: One of the things that I kind of struggled with 728 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,240 Speaker 7: a little bit is just because you were a crazy 729 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 7: dancer and just do some incredible things with your body 730 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 7: on a dance floor does not mean that you can 731 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 7: explain that to somebody. You know, how to do what 732 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 7: you're doing and when, and Lynn just had that muscle 733 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 7: that he could flex in that he could he could 734 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 7: see what you're doing, you see what you're doing wrong, 735 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 7: and give you very technical details in a very short 736 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 7: amount of time while you're standing there, and not make 737 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 7: you feel judged. You know you were being judged, but 738 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 7: he just had a very delicate way of putting it. 739 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 7: And that's so appreciated because everybody on there, most people 740 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 7: can't dance right unless you're Nicole Scherzinger. But most people 741 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 7: go on there that can't dance and got two lefts 742 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 7: to trying to learn it. They're doing it in front 743 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 7: of America, and it can be it's nerve wracking, and 744 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 7: he just really understood that. 745 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 5: Yeah. 746 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it goes back to he was a 747 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: very well renowned a judic cater over in Europe and England, 748 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: and so he was used to dealing with kids and 749 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: talking to people that are just learning and so uh 750 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: he he it's good to hear he had this way 751 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: about him and just an amazing man, and it's it's 752 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: good to hear the perspective of people that were going 753 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: through the process of what what he meant to, even 754 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: the celebrities on the show. It's very cool. 755 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, absolutely that that's very very well well uh 756 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 7: well stated. 757 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, just your your lasting impression 758 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: of Len what you will remember about him forever, you 759 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: know what. 760 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 7: Uh So they didn't capture this on camera, but Chelsea 761 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 7: Iwer my partner and I and it was it was 762 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 7: towards the semifinals. I mean he was episode six or 763 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 7: seven out of the ten. We had a wardrobe malfunction 764 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 7: and nobody saw it except Lynn, And then afterwards he said, Chris, 765 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 7: what happened was, uh, it was a It was a 766 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 7: move where I was, you know, on my knees and 767 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 7: I was spinning Chelsea real fast twice and she moves her, 768 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 7: you know, spins around twice in my arms, and somehow 769 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 7: my hand got mixed up with her wardrobe and went 770 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 7: right into the front of her fold, and I got it. 771 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 7: Bless her heart, you know, it is what it is. 772 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 7: Nobody saw it. America didn't say anything when it aired. 773 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 7: She Chelsea and I thought we were the only two 774 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 7: that actually knew that that happened. Lynn came up after 775 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 7: the show and said, what did you think about that? 776 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 7: He said, I saw what exactly what happened. You guys 777 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 7: gonna start dating right. 778 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: That's a great guy, a great guy, and I appreciate 779 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: you taking the time to share your perspective. It's been 780 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 1: a while and hopefully we won't wait so long before 781 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: we catch up again. 782 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 7: My friend, Yes, sir, I'd love that, all. 783 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 1: Right, Jake Pavelka appreciate. 784 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 7: It, you bet, Take care, Chris, thank you, My. 785 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: Thanks to the professional dancers. Lindsay Arnold Imma Slater and 786 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: celebrity dancers Chris Sols Jake Pavelka for their perspective and 787 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: their words for Lynn Goodman, who we lost this week. 788 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: We remember him through their words as this adjudicator, this judge, 789 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: this celebrity, and he was a celebrity in the world 790 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: of dance and was huge and the BBC was huge 791 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: on ABC with Dancing with the Stars and did an 792 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: amazing job and touched millions and millions of lives, as 793 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: Lendsay Arnold said, shaped her life and Emma Slater from 794 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: the age of twelve shaped her life. But I think 795 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: if he were here, he would agree that the greatest 796 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: job he ever held was that of husband, father and grandfather. 797 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: And I said this earlier, but to repeat it because 798 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: it is such a Lynn Goodman thing to say. The 799 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: obituary that he had written for himself was he was 800 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: a dance teacher from Dartford who got lucky. Because that's 801 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: just about the truth of it. Well, Len, with all 802 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: due respect, I know those are your words, but you 803 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: were so much more than that. You made such a 804 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: bigger impact than that. And people often say at a 805 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: funeral and at times like this, what is legacy legacy 806 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: is that lasting impression the lives you change when you 807 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: were long gone, and that Lynn Goodman was not luck. 808 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: That was all you. So thank you for a life 809 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: well lived and for all that you gave us for 810 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: this many years. And I appreciate you the listener indulging 811 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: Lauren and I for doing this special episode today for 812 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: Lynn Goodman. Truly appreciate it. And we will talk to 813 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: you next time because we have a lot more to 814 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: talk about. Thanks for listening. 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