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Speaker 2: Episode four to forty five Grace Bowers. Yeah, Grace is awesome,

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Speaker 2: I don't know at times that if you're not someone

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Speaker 2: Her band is Grace Bowers and the Hodgepodge, which sometimes

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Speaker 2: They're all around microphones. She's not singing, she just dominates.

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Speaker 2: It reminded me of Santana. Santana didn't sing. Santana would

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Speaker 2: She should sing. I told her that. I was like,

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Speaker 2: We invited her to play at the Million Dollar Show

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Speaker 2: with us coming up at the Ryman next week, tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and tomorrow. In this world, yeah, yeah, she's gonna complain.

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Speaker 2: People are gonna be blown away. Her favorite guitar player

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Speaker 2: Follow her Grace underscore Bowers here she has Grace Bowers. Grace.

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Speaker 1: I started it during COVID, and I was playing guitar

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Speaker 1: Well, because playing songs is boring playing what other people.

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Speaker 2: When people are celebrating you and you're people are like,

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Speaker 1: Honestly, mostly just very nice people I meet who come

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Speaker 2: How do you know these classic rock artists?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel that your fingers because there's a difference

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Speaker 1: Definitely? With fingerpicking, it's different. Honestly. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: Well, my dad likes what I like to call dad rock,

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Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't he wasn't that cool. It was

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Speaker 5: Softball hated it the only one the sport that she

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Speaker 5: She asked me to get a guitar and I'm like, great,

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Speaker 2: Two final questions and we're kicking you out and you're

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Speaker 2: darkest play. Yeah, was there a conversation that you had

437
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 2: where you're super supportive, but it's also like there are

438
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 2: a lot of weirdos out there. Oh yeah, absolutely.

439
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 5: She didn't get an Instagram account till she was what

440
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 5: fifteen fifteen.

441
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 4: And.

442
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 5: It was under the condition because she had to be public,

443
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 5: and it was under the condition that it was on

444
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,119
Speaker 5: my account and I can see it because there's creepers

445
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 5: out there. So yes, it was a little bit scary,

446
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 5: but she was good about coming to when there was

447
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 5: ever somebody creepy, and now it's like there's so many

448
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 5: of them. We just she just knows to block it

449
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 5: out and not respond.

450
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: And pretty pretty clear headed, mature kid. Yes, yeah, I

451
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: feel I don't know where I feel that way too. Yeah,

452
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: like it's an old soul type thing more than just

453
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: the music she plays. Yeah, it is just it is

454
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: the eye contact, just how she you know, manages herself.

455
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,959
Speaker 2: Last question, and then you were going to kick her

456
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: out like you were kicked out of karate? Were you ever?

457
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: Like that's enough guitar where she was so consumed with

458
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: it still.

459
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 5: Not always loved found something she loved we've encouraged it,

460
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 5: you know, like take I would she was younger, take

461
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 5: her to live shows because every time you go to

462
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 5: a live show, you.

463
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: Come home with new inspiration.

464
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 5: So no, we've always been like I've always been all

465
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 5: in whatever it is. Finding teachers driving her.

466
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: Places, that's awesome. Okay, you have to go back to

467
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: your church. I'm sorry, listen you. Hey, why were you

468
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 2: getting kicked out of play? I heard a rumor you got

469
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 2: kicked out of some stuff. So what was the reason

470
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 2: that you would be removed from a structured organization?

471
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 1: Because I was a little asshole?

472
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 2: When were you, like, were you super competitive or were you?

473
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: No? I was? I was mean and not well behaved.

474
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 2: And what were you acting out because you didn't want

475
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: to do it? Were you? You know, it's not a competitiveness.

476
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: Why do you think you were mean?

477
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: Well? When I was really little, in like kindergarten, I

478
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: had an obsession with tigers, specifically white tigers, and I

479
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: would tell everyone that I was a tiger, and I

480
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: would go so far as to growl and like scratch kids.

481
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: And when you're trying to play soccer, that doesn't.

482
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 2: Really worklay doesn't go oh yeah, yeah, I felt that.

483
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: Do you ever feel like, all right, that's too much

484
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: guitar and I need to do something else just so

485
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: you can have a bit of fresh perspective or is

486
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: it all when you have freak time, it's you just

487
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: going to town on it.

488
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: There definitely have been sometimes where I've like been in

489
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: a rut where I like pick up a guitar and

490
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like I'm playing the same stuff

491
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: over and over again.

492
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: So then they'll probably like, do you burn out?

493
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: No, I've I've not yet. I haven't experienced that yet.

494
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: But I will take like like maybe a day, like

495
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: I won't touch a.

496
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 2: Guitar purposefully, Yeah, just to almost cleanse the palate.

497
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I don't do very often. But if I

498
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: do it for like longer than three days and I

499
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: go back and I just feel rusty. So I limit

500
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: myself to only one day and then I'll go back

501
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: to it.

502
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: So back to John Osborne for a second. Who you

503
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: guys work together on your music? Right?

504
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

505
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: On the record when you're working with John, because John

506
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: is such a great player, has such a great ear,

507
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: it's so proficient. He plays four minute solos on record

508
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: versions of thing you know he is. He's so good.

509
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: He's also such a good dude who values mental health

510
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: and he if like if our your mom, I'd be like.

511
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: John Osborne is like the guy you want to be

512
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: around as an influence. But when you're with him, like,

513
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: what did you want your sound to be? Because there's

514
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: a difference in being influenced by things and like you said,

515
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: playing things you memorize, what did you want your sound

516
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: to be?

517
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: Well, I came into him and I'm like, think like Funkadelics,

518
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: slan in the Family Stone, and the Meters. I want

519
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: you to mash those all together. I want that and

520
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: the songs that we wrote. We're kind of that style too,

521
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of like funk soul, classic rock. And he totally understood.

522
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: And I've been getting mixes all week and not be

523
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: happier with that.

524
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: That's exciting.

525
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

526
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: And so when you say funk soul, classic rock and

527
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: you say sli in the Family Stone, I think of

528
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: Slying the Family Stone a whole lot of people on

529
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: a stage, all of them being really good individually, Like

530
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: you could pull any of them off and they would

531
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: be just so proficient at keys or or drums or

532
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: just different percussion. Right, but that's that is quite the

533
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: achievement to want to be like that and then feel like, hey,

534
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 2: we kind of accomplished. Where it's heavily influenced by Sly, it's

535
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 2: also so seventies, yeah, very and visual. It's kind of

536
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: your visual vibe to a bit. Yeah, any chance you're

537
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: like an old dude who died in the seventies and

538
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: came back to life as like as like a kid

539
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: and like they like put you in the wrong body

540
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: because when you said signed the family stone, like even

541
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: now your vibe now is that? Has that always been

542
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: like the fashion the era that you liked and felt

543
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: most comfortable?

544
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 6: No?

545
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: Actually, well, when I was again, when I heard Slash

546
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: for the first time, that got me really into hair metal.

547
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: For three or four years it was only hair metal.

548
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: It was like Warrant Rat Motley Crew, like the cheesiest

549
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: stuff you can imagine. I loved it, and so that's

550
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: what I listened to.

551
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: Why why'd you love it so much?

552
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: You think, honestly, because I still love it. I will

553
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: still go back and listen to it. Sometimes I was like,

554
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it's a guilty pleasure because I

555
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: like it and I'm not guilty about it, but it

556
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: was kind of all I knew at the time, Like

557
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: I didn't like, I wasn't around like different kinds of

558
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: music to like, I wasn't exposed to it. Like I

559
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: moved out here and I heard bluegrass for the first

560
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: time because and I had no idea that was even

561
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: like a thing.

562
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: So when you moved here, you already playing guitar, right, yeah,

563
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: So but when you hear bluegrass and it's uh bluegrass,

564
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: is it's very quick, very yeah mandolin. I mean it's

565
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: in you as a musician, even at a young age.

566
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: Some people may go, oh, you heard bluegrass any but

567
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: bluegrass is really complicated.

568
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: It's insane. I can't play a lick of bluegrass.

569
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: When you would hear bluegrass, would that inspire you to

570
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 2: try to get better in a certain way or was

571
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: it like, Man, I don't know, I don't know what

572
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: how to bluegrass influence you because it's so hard.

573
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: Well, there is a banjo sitting in my room because

574
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to learn how to play

575
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: the banjo after sitting a bluegrass station then and didn't

576
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: really work out.

577
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: You can get the fake one, the ganjo six stringer.

578
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what I should have gotten.

579
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, some of my friends play that. They're like,

580
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: I'll play a banjo, and I'm like wow, they're like,

581
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: not really his six strings, it's just a fake banjo.

582
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: Do you get a lot of people sending you free

583
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: guitars now?

584
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 4: Oh?

585
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine I.

586
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: Have too many guitars at this point. Yeah.

587
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: I would imagine everybody wants you to play their guitar

588
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: on social media or something, but then not give you

589
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: money to actually be the endorsery, just send you the guitars.

590
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I'm okay with that.

591
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take free guitars any day.

592
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: You'll take them, but you may not get on Instagram

593
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: and play them.

594
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: Correct.

595
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite? What's your favorite guitar? My

596
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: sixty one is g Now, when you say sixty one,

597
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: that's nineteen sixty one. How we have we have old Bronco,

598
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: this from before I was born. We've changed out a

599
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: lot of the parts in a sixty one SG. I

600
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm talking about things I don't know now.

601
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: Is it all except for the string? Is it original parts?

602
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: For the most part on mine?

603
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: It is? Yeah, I haven't changed anything about it since, like, oh,

604
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to people like like people will tell

605
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: me like, oh, it needs a new bridge, it needs

606
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: to be refretted, and like it still sounds okay, I'm

607
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: not gonna. I don't want to change it.

608
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: Do you travel with it?

609
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: I do, but I'm gonna Gibson is gonna make like

610
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna like scan it and make a replica of

611
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: it to bring.

612
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: Out to festivals and yeah, something that precious.

613
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't want to be traveling with.

614
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: It, especially if it's been around since the sixties. It's

615
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: not like a lot of bumpings and gonna be good

616
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: for it.

617
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

618
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

619
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: And if you're flying, I mean you don't ever check

620
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: your guitars, right never Yeah. You see what they do

621
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: with luggage, right, Like they just they're just throwing stuff.

622
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: So you carried on and and Southwest is always really good.

623
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: About Yeah, Southwest has been good.

624
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 2: Anybody ever wrote your guitar you have a bad experience

625
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: with try not.

626
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Yet, not yet, not to jinx it. But I do

627
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: get some dirty looks every now and then.

628
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: Could you take up a whole.

629
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: One like the flights like filled up and I come

630
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: on with a big old guitar.

631
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Do people recognize you if you're just wearing your hair

632
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: curly more than if you're wearing a hat or you

633
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: have as a very distinct look.

634
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I never wear a hat. I think

635
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: I look goofy in hats. So I do get recognized

636
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: quite a bit, because again, I think I'm kind of

637
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: hard to miss.

638
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: And do they say you're a grace or do some

639
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: people go, I know you from somewhere, Oh, you're the

640
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: person that played guitar on my whatever it is, you know,

641
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: they see it on any formal places. Does that ever

642
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: happen where they just can't quite place you and they

643
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: realize here's the girl that plays guitar.

644
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens all the time.

645
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you get a lot of older

646
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: and men especially who are like, ah, you're just a girl. Yeah,

647
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: until you show them what the freak is up?

648
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Absolutely. I just talked to CBS about this.

649
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: It's like a whole segment on like the stigma of

650
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: being a girl playing guitar, And I told him the story.

651
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: It happened at Americana fests down here, and I was like,

652
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: setting up my guitar and the sound guy comes up

653
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: to me and was like, you know, you have to

654
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: plug your guitar into the amp to get sound out

655
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 1: of it.

656
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, see, that's when you challenge him to a duel, right,

657
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: then get a guitar, wise guy, and then you do.

658
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: You're a little clunky with the first you're like man,

659
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: and then he's like, oh, I got her, and then

660
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: you just shred him. I bet you there are people's face,

661
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: like if you're at a festival and they're not familiar

662
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: with you and you start playing, I bet there's a

663
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: lot of confusion because again, you're a teenage girl playing

664
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: traditionally an instrument that older men have played, and it's

665
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: and rock music itself right now, it's not as if

666
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: it's the most popular, which is why it makes it

667
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: so much cooler that you're doing it. It's not the

668
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: most popular format, which like hip hop is, is massive

669
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: right now. So when you see a young female doing

670
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: something that isn't the trendiest it's super trendy, then it's

671
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: super cool. And do you find people are surprised when

672
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: they're like, well look at that, Oh wow, she's just

673
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: a kid.

674
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I get a lot of comments like you're

675
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: only seventeen or like whatever age I was at at

676
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: the time the video was posted. It happens all the time.

677
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: When did you get your driver's license?

678
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: Uh?

679
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: A year ago?

680
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: You got it when you turned sixteen?

681
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, not right when I turned sixteen. I was a

682
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: little late.

683
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: But it's weird now because some and I have a

684
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: nephew who's your age, and he didn't even want to

685
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: get a license.

686
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: I told him, yeah, I've heard that from a lot

687
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: of people. I was like, my generation isn't as motivated.

688
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: You may have to get to a gig though, like

689
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: you may have to go to work. Yeah, a bit different.

690
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: And he was like, why do I I can uber

691
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: or I was like no, no, no, I'll buy you a car.

692
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: I'll tell him, like I said, if you whatever money

693
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: you get, I'll go times three that many money growing up.

694
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 2: So I want to help like my nephew and fa

695
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, I appreciate that, but I'm good,

696
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: I'll take it exactly. It's like when I was sixteen,

697
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to do it. How many nights a

698
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: week do you play in front of people, regardless of

699
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: what it is. If it's a you know, you're going

700
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: to to a club or a bar, or you're playing

701
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: a big show. How many nights what you think you

702
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: get in front of people?

703
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: Well, for a while, I was doing it what felt

704
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: like almost every night of the week. But I've been

705
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: trying to kind of scale it back now that I've

706
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: got my own band and kind of make it a

707
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: little more special when I do play in Nashville, So

708
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm not like out every single night, but a lot,

709
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: a lot.

710
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 6: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

711
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 6: Bobby cast.

712
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: When well, before I go out on tour and tell jokes,

713
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: I will try to find a couple of places to

714
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: go and sometimes I'll just go to the Bluebird and

715
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: I won't announce it, and I'll play some comedy stuff

716
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: just to see if it works. Yeah, you know, to

717
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: do very small shows, and like the big comedians will

718
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: go and they'll play little clubs and places just to

719
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: work material and so, which was leading to that, And

720
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: you may not do that as much anymore. Do you

721
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: ever feel like you need to go out and play

722
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: some stuff, even if it's for like eleven people in

723
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: a small place, just to kind of kind of get

724
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: your bearings back or at this point are you just

725
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: rated to fire on all cylinders.

726
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing that tonight actually.

727
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: Really yeah, and this won't be on and so that

728
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: what you're doing tonight will already have happened probably a

729
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: week ago.

730
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I still like post like, hey,

731
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to be here because I don't like playing

732
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: the empty rooms. But it is a really small room.

733
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: So like, even if we like pack it out like

734
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: one hundred hundred and fifty people.

735
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: Max, what's the energy like for a packed two hundred

736
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: room or a middle middlely filled two thousand person room.

737
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: It's I I would rather play a small dive bar

738
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: that is absolutely packed than a large venue that's halfway field. Like,

739
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: I'll take the small venue.

740
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: Anything because of the energy and because of the rabbit.

741
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: If they're in a packed place, they had there was

742
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: intention on getting there. Yeah right, what's the last show

743
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: you've been to I've been to as a fan where

744
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: you didn't go where they were like this is grace,

745
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: were like I'm just gonna get tickets. I'm gonna get

746
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: a ticket and go to the show. Oh now you

747
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: want your mom? Now, All of a sudden, Mom she's

748
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: calling you back in.

749
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, was it music cares?

750
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's cool. Yeah but did

751
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: you did you end up getting up and playing at

752
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: all music heres?

753
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: No?

754
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, but that's good. That's what That's what

755
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm asking, like, when did you just go? And they

756
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: weren't like, they weren't like great, get up because music

757
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: care is cool because it's a lot of really good

758
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: people that they're playing on stage that night. Who did

759
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: you see? Who were you blown away by? There?

760
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Bruce Springsteen got up? That was pretty insane.

761
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird what you appreciate. Yeah, I just don't.

762
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: Unlike the younger generation of country artists that are like

763
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: twenty four or twenty five, I feel like that's even

764
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: lost on them. And the fact that you're not coming

765
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: from a family that's beating over there with vinyl going

766
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: you must love Bruce Springsteen, Yet you still found it

767
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: and you're still passionate about it. I'm convinced there's a

768
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: little old man living and you who died, and he's

769
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: like pulling the strings and you're like, I am great,

770
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: and you still enjoy you still enjoy just playing the guitar.

771
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite thing to do.

772
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: Do you get lost sometimes in a good way if

773
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: you're just up playing, where you're just able to remove

774
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: all thought because that's where you're supposed to be.

775
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every single time.

776
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: Favorite guitar solo you've ever learned of someone else's ooh

777
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: that when you finished it, you were like, that's cool.

778
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: I know that one.

779
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: Sweet Little Angel by BB King it was like the

780
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: first blue solo. It was actually it was the first

781
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: like blue song I had ever heard. Was a Sweet

782
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Little Angel, And I remember I used to I learned

783
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: every single look from it. I've probably forgotten most of

784
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: them now, but this was back when I still didn't

785
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: know the panatomic scale, and I would like play these

786
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: licks in front of people, like to pretend like I

787
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: did know it.

788
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 2: Did you add a phase a BB King phase where

789
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: you know I started off with like I found my

790
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: through like the you know, Blueberry Hill and you know

791
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: the thriller's gone.

792
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

793
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: Did you do that or did you just go into

794
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: like the B side stuff where like only the greats

795
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: get to get to live? Did you like the singles

796
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: the songs that I liked too?

797
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of honestly, like like before

798
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: b B. King, like I got into Mississippi, John Hurt

799
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: and like Fred McDowell, Elmore James, Yeah, and.

800
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: I see you'd lost me. It's you're so cool that

801
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to even connect here because I'm like,

802
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of BB King, but it

803
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: was always like BB King's greatest hit. Huh where you're

804
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: listening to like people that influenced him and even his

805
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: music that you mentioned, I don't even know. And to me,

806
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 2: it's just how in the world did you get there?

807
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: Like what about you? What was in you know, we're

808
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: all attracted to different things, some of us nature, some

809
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: of us sports or competition, But to you is music

810
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: and a music that most people your age don't fall

811
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: in love with unless they are influenced heavily by someone

812
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: saying you must fall in love with it, which is

813
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: really freaking cool. Like you have the power to like

814
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: change music back in that direction, trying to yeah, because

815
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: you know you're you're not trying to be them, but

816
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: you also respect what they were able to do and

817
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: to be young and just like a kid. Are you

818
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: ever a kid? Do you ever feel like a kid?

819
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I'm still a teenager, so you can separate,

820
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: you can't can't escape that.

821
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: Nineteen years old playing the shows I saw you're playing

822
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: with Laney. Yeah on the CBS the New Year's Show.

823
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeh.

824
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: Make you nervous to play National TV live? Or is

825
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: that just what you're meant to do? That specific show

826
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: I recorded? I used to host it too. Yeah, they

827
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: recorded a lot of arts. Do they record yours ahead

828
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: of time? Or did you do that one?

829
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: No? It was love and it was in front of

830
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen thousand people. That's crazy, which is

831
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: the biggest crowd I've ever played for. And the entire

832
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: time I was like waiting for myself to get nervous

833
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: because I usually do in front of that many people,

834
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: and I never did. I don't know why.

835
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: I just well, I never got nervous. Why Hodgepodge.

836
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: Because people used to book me and I didn't have

837
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: a band, so I would have to I still had

838
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: to put a show together, so I would just like

839
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: ask a bunch of local musicians that I knew of

840
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: to like basically be band for one show and then

841
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: that was it. So it was literally a hodgepodg So

842
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: that's what I called it, and then eventually I found

843
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: like people that it worked with and that like aren't

844
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: an actual band now, but I like the name, so

845
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: I didn't change it.

846
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: And you can just trade them out too.

847
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: Cares exactly.

848
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they get a little mouthy out can go hodgepodge.

849
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: Everybody gets replaced. When you look at videos of your

850
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: favorite guitar players or guitar players that you just kind

851
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: of like, but you see stylistically what they do is

852
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: so different and distinct and you're like, wow, that is example.

853
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: Maybe I can example it better, they can ask it.

854
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 2: But Eddie van Halen plays in a way that nobody

855
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: else plays, right. You know his tone, you know his style.

856
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: Even Brad Paisley, you know when his finger it's just different.

857
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: You can tell it's Brad. With John Mayer, you can.

858
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: You know.

859
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm such a fan. Who was it to you that

860
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: you saw and you were like, wow, that is so

861
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: distinct and original on how they play the guitar.

862
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him live, but definitely Derek Trucks like

863
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: he was like the first like slide guitar player I'd

864
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: ever heard of, and I was watching a video of

865
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: him when he was like thirteen opening for the Alman

866
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: Brothers and took the most beautiful solo I've ever heard

867
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: and just blew me away.

868
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: I saw Tedesky Trucks play and you know them to

869
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: and it was maybe I don't know that I underestimated

870
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: how good a guitar player he was, but oh, it's unreal.

871
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: It's unreal. I watch Johnny Lane play when he was young,

872
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: but before he cut his hair, you know, and that

873
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 2: was cool because he was a young, long haired kid

874
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: blues player. Yeah, And that was super cool because that

875
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: he was doing a bit of you know, he wasn't

876
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: trying to put on anything other than what he was.

877
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: It was just cool that he was a kid and

878
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: that's what he was drawn to. Do you meet any

879
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: other not I won't say Reddick, but do you meet

880
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: any other like young blues influenced or you know, rhythm

881
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: and blues guitar influence young generation people that sometimes you

882
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: guys just get together and play.

883
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not.

884
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: I can't imagine who the young I can't imagine you

885
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: the youngest everywhere you go on you play, No.

886
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: But I usually am. But I haven't really met a

887
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: lot of kids my age or younger like playing the

888
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: music that I do. But there's definitely a lot of

889
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: them online and they're just killing it.

890
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: I would assume you're influencing a bunch of kids to

891
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 2: learn to play.

892
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: I hope so.

893
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: And you get videos going, hey, look I'm.

894
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: I do actually sometimes like someone's like someone's parents will

895
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: message me like I just got my daughter a guitar

896
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: because of you. That's cool and it makes my holding

897
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: when I get messages like that.

898
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Who do you want to meet that you haven't Slash

899
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: still haven't met him yet.

900
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: I have not met him yet.

901
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be cool. I met Lenny Kravitz and

902
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: you met You met Lenny Kravits.

903
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

904
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: How long ago did you meet him?

905
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago? Maybe a month now?

906
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: Were you a Leny Kravitz fan before you met him?

907
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: He was one of the first concerts I ever went to. Really,

908
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: and then we've been following each other on Instagram for

909
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: years now and he recognized me like right away with

910
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: it was awesome.

911
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: Isn't he like the chillest dude?

912
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: He was so nice.

913
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was so nice to me too, and he

914
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: just didn't have to be you know. It wasn't a

915
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: place where the guy had to put any effort into

916
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: being kind, but he was like so chill. And he's

917
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: had different seasons sonically, you know, from when he started

918
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: and it was like, you know, are you going to

919
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: go my way? Which is that opening guitar like da

920
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: like really one of the most famous opening guitar, like

921
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: of like from my life and to the stuff like

922
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: it ain't over till it's over. And then he comes

923
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: back and he does an American woman. He's been able

924
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: to kind of make his thing. He's changed it, but

925
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: he's always been distinct and it's always been him. And

926
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: then that's like an artist that I think is super

927
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: cool to look up to because I never felt like

928
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: he was compromising. Yeah, and I think that's really big

929
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: for an artist who's made. He probably could have just

930
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: kept doing the same thing and been successful, but he's

931
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: been able to change, you know, over time. Do you

932
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: feel yourself at times modifying because you're getting a little

933
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: more mature, You're like, well let me try some new

934
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 2: sound here.

935
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely every day, I feel like especially since,

936
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: like like I said earlier, like I still have so

937
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: much practicing and learning to do, Like I'm always figuring

938
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: out new stuff and my sounds changing.

939
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: How many pedals do you play if it's a full show?

940
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: How many pedals down below you?

941
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: Ooh? I think four or five right now? I like

942
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: to keep it more stripped back. But because before that,

943
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: I was like, no pedals, that all straight into the amp.

944
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: And when you're sitting in with people and you don't

945
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: know what am they're gonna have on stage, that doesn't

946
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: that's not a good idea. So it doesn't always work out.

947
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: So I got a pedal word that originally just had

948
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: three pedals on it, and it keeps growing because I

949
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: keep buying more. It's becoming a problem. So I'm gonna

950
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: try to keep it at five for now.

951
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what you do is really cool, And that's

952
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: the super vague way of just it's just it's just

953
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: really cool, like who you are, your style, why you

954
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: learned it? Because why did you learn it? I have

955
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 2: no idea. Again, you didn't grow up in a house

956
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: with a music museum. And I think it's really cool.

957
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a big fan, and so I'm super pumped

958
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: that you came over and I got to meet you.

959
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: And you know, I fought like whenever you post a

960
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: new video, and you're playing guitar. And my wife knows

961
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: when I'm watching a guitar video of you, because she's like,

962
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: you're watching Grace play guitar. Yeah, yeah, I don't know you.

963
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm like, yeah, yeah, so I am. And

964
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: this is a town of giants where there's a lot

965
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: of great people, and there's a lot of great guitar players.

966
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: John is a friend of mine. Charlie Warsham is a

967
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: really great guitar player, urban good friend of mine. But

968
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: in a in the land of giants, like you still

969
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: have found your way to be really tall at only

970
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: nineteen years old. Seventeen, that's right. Oh, I'm making you

971
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: older and we sit here, that's right. Well do you

972
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: drive like a rock and roll Do you drive like

973
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: a sixty eight Barracuda or anything like that? Oh?

974
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: I wish I have a I do have a really

975
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: cool jeep out front.

976
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Though, Oh that's not na. That's a little too trendy

977
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: and new. We need to fix that. We need to

978
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: get around like a beat her Mike. We and I'm

979
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: not sure what your deal is. I do a big

980
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: show with the Ryman once a year for Saint Jude,

981
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: which is the hospital. I was in the hospital lot

982
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: as a kid, and so we work with them directly.

983
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: We've been able to like twenty seven million dollars or

984
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: something for the kids there. And Keith's played it before,

985
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: John him and TJ played it before. If you're in

986
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: town April third, it's already it's already sold out. But

987
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: you are, you've played the Rymen, you play Rymand I

988
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: have yet. Yeah, you should come and play a song

989
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: or two with us. I would It can be. I

990
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: don't know if you're don't commit now, because you could

991
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: just say yes, and I was a home with the idiot.

992
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: I had to say something no, I don't want that

993
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: to be what it is. But April third, we're playing

994
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: in this year. It's like Sam Hunt, it's Ben Recked

995
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: or Matt Carney. It's a lot of people. I'm gonna

996
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: don't want to get I'll miss people. But I would

997
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: love for you to come.

998
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love that.

999
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: And well, my band's all session players, Like I'm so bad,

1000
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: I have to get all session play great session players

1001
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: to make up for the fact. And so you can

1002
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: tell us what you want to play. Usually people come

1003
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: out and if you want to do an original song.

1004
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: If yours great, we'll learn it. Usually people do an

1005
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: original song or they and they do a cover. You

1006
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: can do whatever you want. You just let us know.

1007
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: I would love for you to come because I'm such

1008
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: a big fan and it'd be really cool to me

1009
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: to for me to have you out there.

1010
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be awesome.

1011
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: You're not committing now, mom, she's not committing now. Look

1012
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: at the calendar April third, and it's like a Wednesday.

1013
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: That's why we do it. It's a Wednesday, Morgan. Yes,

1014
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: if we do it midweek because I'm on the road

1015
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 2: a lot, and every artist is on the road. That's

1016
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: when you pay the bills. Have you already start thinking

1017
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: about moving out?

1018
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: Well, if I was making enough money to do so,

1019
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: I would be.

1020
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: Like when I was seventeen, I'd ready to go school.

1021
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: You can teach school at this point, you know, are

1022
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 2: you a junior or senior? Officially? Okay, so this year

1023
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: then next year, but the open road, that's school, you know.

1024
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: I see.

1025
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean.

1026
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: That sounds like an hour too much. I get her

1027
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: on the get Hey, let's just make some music, you know,

1028
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: give the earth what they demand. Uh, let me know

1029
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: when in the next few days. I'd love for you

1030
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: to come play the show with us. And I'm a

1031
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: big fan. Uh, it's awesome. You're awesome stage and I

1032
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: have to tell you that because like, I'm cooler because

1033
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: I'm doing this interview and Mom, thank you for coming

1034
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: and thanks for sitting Hey, thanks for sitting in with

1035
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: the band for a few minutes too. Yeah, and letting us. Uh,

1036
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: so you're just thinking about Grace. You can follow her

1037
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: Grace Underscore Boers on Instagram and on TikTok Grace Underscore

1038
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: Bowers one. You couldn't get the name on TikTok without

1039
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: the one on it. No, somebody has it.

1040
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: Someone took graces.

1041
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: Okay, do they use it or do they Just somebody

1042
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: squatted my name and I wouldn't buy it from him,

1043
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: so just say no, no, I haven't checked yet. I'm

1044
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: about to leave it to me. Leave it to me,

1045
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: and then I know. You recorded your album, the debut

1046
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: album with John like is producing it. But when is when?

1047
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 2: When does that happen where anybody gets to hear anything.

1048
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: Well, we're hoping to have the whole thing out sometime

1049
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: during the summer.

1050
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: But what about like a song or something, and.

1051
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: Then we'll put out a single, hopefully in April.

1052
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1053
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: There will be another single after that, which we don't

1054
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: have a date for yet.

1055
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: Do you know which one already?

1056
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. The first single is going to be a song

1057
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: called tell Me Why You Do That? That I actually

1058
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: co wrote with John and Lucy.

1059
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: Oh, Lucy's awesome too. Lucy's the greatest len I want

1060
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: to say it awesome. I like Lucy better than John.

1061
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: Lucy went on the road. I went, well, I know

1062
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: that book. Lucy went on the road with me for

1063
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: a while too. Lucy is awesome. Does she play keys?

1064
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: When you wrote? Did she said to the keys? She

1065
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: she did. I like Lucy two times as much as John. Well,

1066
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: we're very excited. Let us know when it's out. We

1067
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: would love to promote it and just be a big

1068
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: part of it. And it's been great to meet you.

1069
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: Grace Underscore Bours. You guys follow her and that's it. Grace. Thanks,

1070
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: that was awesome. Thanks for hopping into that was fun. Yeah,

1071
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 2: that was awesome. Thanks for listening to a Bobby cast production.