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Speaker 1: ago were told. Bollinger helped Naja and Peyton move out

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Speaker 1: to death. Left Cannichet. You know when I get aboard

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Speaker 1: And then everything began to unfold. With me special guests

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Speaker 1: like a question for Cheryl McCullum. Good Lord in Heaven, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: But Nancy, this is what's imperative about this case. This

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Speaker 1: is he now? Look at the map? Where could he be?

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Speaker 1: What's the closest area he could get lost in Alan, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the Great Northwest. It could be a lot of places.

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Speaker 1: It could. I'm thinking Washington State. You know, what, did

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Speaker 1: you Cooper, the guy who jumped out of the airplane.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he did that. Maybe he parachuted into the wilderness

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Speaker 1: out there and let the plane fly into the ocean,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of parachuting into the middle of the well.

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Speaker 1: Not no, no, no, no, no. What you do is

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Speaker 1: you said it on autopilot, you jump out of the

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Speaker 1: plane and you pull one of those and you let

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Speaker 1: it slide. We've seen that. Let's let's run him back

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Speaker 1: in for a moment. Cheryl, what's the most likely back

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the road, Cheryl, what's the most

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Speaker 1: likely scenario. He's pulled that ford focus into some wooded

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Speaker 1: area and covered it a little bit, and he has

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Speaker 1: walked away, and he is either using his survival skills

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Speaker 1: and he's at camp site clandestine and he is either

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Speaker 1: going to be fanneled with a single gunshot onto his

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Speaker 1: head or he's gonna be in hiding until they find him.

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Speaker 1: But they will find him, okay. The wife said, it'll

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Speaker 1: be a nice surprise to show up at their new

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Speaker 1: home to celebrate her leaving her teaching job with her husband,

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Speaker 1: only to find him snugged up with a mistress and

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Speaker 1: be gunned down in a triple murder. Cheryl Baker found

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Speaker 1: dead in a wooden shed outside the new farmhouse she bought. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that kills me even more. There she is working, giving

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Speaker 1: him the money to buy this house so he can

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Speaker 1: jump upstairs and have sex with that woman, the poor

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Speaker 1: mistress who didn't know a darn thing, and the little

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Speaker 1: girl in the same house. Ah. You know, teachers don't

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Speaker 1: make anything. I know, I taught at school, Okay, while

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Speaker 1: I was waiting to get in law school. I certainly

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Speaker 1: did Cheryl a little known fact. They don't make anything.

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Speaker 1: And she's working like a dog and giving him the

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Speaker 1: money to support his love Nest. All right, we have

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Speaker 1: learned Baker had driven from their hometown Ogden, Utah, to Caldwell, Idaho,

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Speaker 1: to surprise eyes her husband. Bullinger told his wife he

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Speaker 1: was there working on the property for her to move in,

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Speaker 1: but actually living a second life with his mistress and

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Speaker 1: her daughter. Their bodies found alongside each other in that shed.

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Speaker 1: Friends of the school teachers say she spoke glowingly about

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Speaker 1: moving to Idaho and giving up teaching and going to

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Speaker 1: the countryside. Her plan was to turn the shed into

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Speaker 1: her own art studio. You know what, this man needs

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Speaker 1: death penalty. There's no two ways about it. Yes, what,

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Speaker 1: I think you'll get the death penalty because what you

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Speaker 1: were saying before, I know you remember the All Day murders.

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Speaker 1: He shot them one by one by one, So whoever

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Speaker 1: was in the middle was shot second knew it was coming.

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Speaker 1: Whoever was on the outside was shot last. At me

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Speaker 1: is a mama had to possibly watched her daughter being killed.

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Speaker 1: That means a daughter possibly watched her mother being killed.

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Speaker 1: That's a needle in his arm all day long. Man,

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Speaker 1: you read me like a book, Cheryl. That's exactly what

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about when I was asking those questions.

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Speaker 1: The the methodical shooting of each victim, I said, dragged

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Speaker 1: to the shed. I don't know they were dragged. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he didn't make him walk out there

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Speaker 1: and lay down and shoot him in the head. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what he did, but I know this, you

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Speaker 1: execute a fourteen year old little girl. In my book,

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Speaker 1: you're getting the death penalty. Mm hmmm, mm hmm. And

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Speaker 1: then the wife and the mistress. And I am so

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Speaker 1: not judging the mistress if it ain't a felony, I

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Speaker 1: don't care. I don't know that she knew, don't know

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Speaker 1: that she knew anything was wrong. Both of these women

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Speaker 1: thought they got they grabbed the gold ring, they got

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Speaker 1: the lottery ticket with this dude, and now their funerals.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I'm on the hunt from Mike Bullinger. I

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Speaker 1: want that guy dead or alive. Nancy Gray's Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye, friend,