1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's camera. This budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: to do nothing. Space Forts. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: politics colliding Floomberg Sound On, The Insiders, the Influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The present has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: send him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Heaven Shirley on Bloomberg 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f M h D two. 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: We made it to Friday, Happy Happy Friday. The Trump 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: campaign is in full mode, and we will give you 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: the latest on how they're going after Joe Biden and 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: the media if you don't want to miss this. Plus 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: Tausi gabbers at the Twitter back and forth with Hillary Clinton. 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: Darren Hillary Clinton to get back into the race. But 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: the big story that we're keeping our eye on is, 19 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: of course, that c spot fire with Turkey and Syria. 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: President Trump declaring victory, but will the five or six 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: day ceasefire last? Full analysis on that front and Secretary 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: of State Mike Pompeo talking once again about the growing 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: situation in Syria. Two regulars, two friends of the program 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: to all Stars, Sarah Kim, Republican strategist, attorney and former 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: senior adviser and the Trump administration. And Roger Fisk, Democratic strategist, 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: longtime President Obama, aide and principle of New Day Strategy. Folks, 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,919 Speaker 1: they don't agree on much, but they agree there's nowhere 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: else they'd rather be. On a Friday at five and 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio, What a week, Christine, it's like a voice 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: favor put that in the intro. Christine Barana, our executive producer, 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: said it's going to be the greatest hits today because 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: it was such a crazy week marathon. Nick mulvaney that 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: that press conference yesterday, I don't know this longer what 34 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: was longer the Democratic the pain or Mick Mulvaaney's press conference. 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: This is assuming either of them have actually ended. It's 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: completely there's still prattling on out there, my word so 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: much together. He and the Nats are in the World Series, 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: so there's there's there's all that. It was a week 39 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: they used to have that segment on one of the 40 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: networks where they said the week that was remember that, Um, 41 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: all right, let's start with Syria, because, uh, you know, 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: President Trump was speaking about this. Obviously, the big news 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: is this ceasefire, this five day cease fire that President 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: Trump had gotten Turkey President Erduan to agree to with 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: Syria and with the Kurds. The president, obviously, with that 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: recent decision to withdraw troops from northern Syria prompted swift 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: pushback from not just Democrats, not just Curdish allies, but Republicans. 48 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: But he ended the week with praise from Senator Lindsey Graham, 49 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: one of his most ardent critics of this policy, saying 50 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: that he was hopeful that this ceasefire would would would 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: be positive. So I'll play for you, uh Roger, a 52 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: bit of President Trump talking about h Syria earlier today 53 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: and saying that he's doing a better job than Obama. 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Here he is. There are no shots being fired, and 55 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing a lot of things. 56 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: This is a deal that should have been made fifteen 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago. Over the last number of 58 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: years under the Obama administration, the real numbers over a 59 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: million people were killed we have lost no, not a 60 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: drop of blood. So you're a longtime Obama aid uh 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: and and very familiar obviously with the former Secretary of 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: State Kerry. So when you hear that, and you hear 63 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: the pushback of the Schumer Pelosi meaning ending Rye earlier 64 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: this week, and the President saying that this ceasefire is 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: indicative of his leadership, his ability to get a deal, 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: you say what, Well, first off, thanks so much for 67 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: having me. It's great to be here with Sarah. Um. 68 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: You know, I had one bone of contention with President 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Obama because he always would say, wow, the curds were 70 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: so helpful at Normandy, and I would say, no, sir, 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: you're wrong, No, sir, you're wrong. And finally we have 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: a president that is willing to point out that Curtistan 73 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: did not help in World War Two. I mean, it 74 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: is joking aside it's it's it's it's a week full 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: of tremendous gravity. In many ways, Um, this country, especially 76 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: since World War Two, has a very nasty habit of 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: tossing aside um stateless people who help us in conflicts, 78 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: and specifically, I think of the Mong in the Vietnam 79 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: War who very similar to the curd served as translators 80 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: on the ground, support staff, etcetera. And we're promised citizenship 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: and all the other things that um happened in this 82 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: situation and we're cast aside. And the idea that because 83 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: he's been trying, you know, roughly a message a day 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: throughout the week, that he it even float the idea 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: that the Kurds are quote unquote worse than Isis is 86 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: tremendously insulting and it's not even honest, which for the 87 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: most part, you know, I don't necessarily expect anymore. So 88 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: it's been an insane week. He hasn't portrayed this accurately 89 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: a single time that he's addressed it. It's the classic 90 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: incoherence of him operating in a vacuum, not consulting anyone 91 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: because he alone can fix all this stuff. And again he's, 92 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, the volunteer firefighter who also turns out to 93 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: be the arsonist. Sarah, I see you shaking your head. No, 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: I want to, I want to get your response, but 95 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: I also want to I also want to just alert 96 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: people of what Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had to 97 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: say earlier today, because he had a press conference earlier 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: today with NATO Secretary General Jen Staltenburg. And there were 99 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: some reports that maybe Turkey might have actually broken the 100 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: ceasefire in northern Syria, and he answered that question directly 101 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: head on when he was asked about it. Here's the 102 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: Secretary of State. There was some activity today, but we 103 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: also saw some very positive activity. The big gettings of 104 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: the coordination that we will be required. The reason this 105 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: couldn't happen instantaneously because there was a great deal of 106 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: coordination that had to take place. Well, I would say 107 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: three things. First and foremost, we have to contextualize the 108 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: fact that Syria and Turkey have been an inter nineteen 109 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: conflict since nineteen seventy eight. This is not an issue 110 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: that one administration can fix. Two, if you look at 111 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: what an administration does, we have to really look at 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: President Obama and what he did in two thousand and 113 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: eleven and two thousand and fourteen. My friend Roger, who 114 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: I am so happy is here today. We have great 115 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: intellectual conversations, but the debate here stands that when President 116 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: Obama put a red line out there and you refuse 117 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: to go and enforce it, then you decide a couple 118 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: of months later to actually go into Syria and American 119 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: trips have been there since two thousand and fourteen. It 120 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: feeds into this larger narrative that you cannot place American 121 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: troops in endless wars. It's just not possible. That was 122 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: something you read on and it's it's something that I 123 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: think if you, no matter who's running, and you're actually 124 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: you've heard it from Senator Elizabeth Warren in the debate 125 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: earlier this week when she said she didn't want to 126 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: keep needless troops in the Middle East, and she was 127 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: pushed back on it aggressively by the Biden campaign. But 128 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: let me ask you a follow up, just from from 129 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: your conversations with Republicans, SERI, because you know every Republican 130 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, what do you how is the divide 131 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: being or how what is it like with this open 132 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: disagreement amongst the Republican Party about the way the president 133 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: has handled Syria? How how is that conversation impacting the 134 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: zeitgeist for lack of a better word, in Washington, d C. 135 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: So I would say that when it comes to elected 136 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: Republican officials in Congress right now, it is like you 137 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: go back to December two thousand and fifteen. You're either 138 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: old guard Republican, hawk republican, lose a Republican, inter nicene 139 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: war republican, or you're with the Trump administration, the Trump 140 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: team and this idea that endless wars are not You 141 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: think this has been enough. You're comparing this to December. Yes, 142 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: so you're either with this because he hasn't lost support 143 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: on Impitia, but you're saying this foreign policy is a 144 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: new political red line. It's a new political red line. 145 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: You're either for the United States pulling back out of 146 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: these endless wars. Because let's just ask a basic question, 147 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: irrespective a party, what is success in Syria? What is 148 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: success in Iraq? What is success in Afghanistan? I've read 149 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: all the congressional research reports, all the congressional budget reports. 150 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: Why did we kill, essentially and put in harm's way 151 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of lives and spend one point one 152 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: five trillion dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq? For what? What 153 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: have we gained? It's almost as if Roger we got 154 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: the last question for this segment. It's almost as if 155 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: he's daring the Democrats, daring Joe Biden to say you 156 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: want to argue in your primary to keep troops in Syria, 157 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: go for it. Had that debate is I mean, is 158 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: that is that a potential or there It's tough to 159 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: cover foreign policy through domestic political lens, but I mean 160 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: you can't do it in a vacuum rider. I mean, 161 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: the current occupant is for the most part opaque to me. 162 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't subscribe a strategy or a framework or a 163 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: philosophy to it. I think for the most part, it's 164 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: just kind of ricocheting around grievance and conspiracy, whatever happened 165 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: to have been, you know, discussed on Fox and Friends 166 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: that morning and things like that. I don't think and 167 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: and separate from my little Jabs. I don't think he 168 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: wakes up in the morning with a coherent worldview. It's 169 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: more just situational reactions. And for example, Sariah's points on 170 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: this at some of which I agree with, would be 171 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: more consistent if in the same week he wasn't sending 172 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: or at least announcing that he's sending two thousand troops 173 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: to Saudi Arabia, which essentially pulls the plug at the 174 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,239 Speaker 1: bottom of the bathtub of any of the other principles 175 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: that he lays out for his other actions. He's literally 176 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: willing to pour troops into one Middle East situation and 177 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: then say that he wants to withdraw from another one 178 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: based on some philosophy that I guess is quite circumstantial. 179 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: But at a certain point, don't you need a strategic 180 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: realignment in Middle East? I mean, at this point, you 181 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: you take out a thousand troops in Syria, you put 182 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: two thousand in Saudi Arabia because you understand what China 183 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: and Russia is doing as it writes to Iran. I mean, 184 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: we have to consider the fact that Turkey in points 185 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: less than nineteen percent of their oil from those countries. Alright, 186 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: coming up much more with the pedal political ulcers. I 187 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: don't know who has better, uh like word play? Is 188 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: the Antoine ce right? Another friend of the program, Roger 189 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Roger Fisk all the Way. Download the Bloomberg Sound on 190 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: podcast on Apple, it Tunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or 191 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: by downloading the Bloomberg Business App. You can also find 192 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,239 Speaker 1: us on Radio dot com, I Art Radio, and Spotify 193 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: of Kevin Sirillian. I'm not trying to get in the 194 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: middle of Roger and Antwine. Bloomberg This is Bloomberg Sound 195 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and one oh five 196 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: point seven MHD two of Jevins, a really chief Washington 197 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Happy Friday, folks. 198 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm joined by two regular Sarah Kim, Republican strategist, attorney 199 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: and former senior advisor in the Trump administration, and Roger Fisk, 200 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist and longtime President Obama aid and principle of 201 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: New Day Strategy. Uh. Sarah, you're a Texas politico in 202 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: in addition to being a very savvy Republican operative here 203 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: inside of the Beltway. Rick Perry's out a Secretary of State, 204 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: our very own Jen Jacob scooped and he's named our 205 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: President Trump has named the replacement. What do you make 206 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: of the replacement? UM? I actually think it's really interesting 207 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: that now we have four cabinet secretaries that were former deputies, 208 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: but also for former lobbyist. I think it's quite interesting 209 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: that presidential personnel and the president has made that type 210 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: of decision. I would have picked somebody different. Dan Rulette, 211 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: Just for folks who don't know, I don't I don't 212 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: have anything to say against him. I'm just saying that 213 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: when you're running a reelection campaign, the strategy should be 214 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: to pick somebody who is kind of outside the bubble. 215 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: But if you're looking for an operator and your top 216 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: boss makes all the decisions anyway, you just need people 217 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: who know the department, which is what Dan does. But 218 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: let me say I'm currently and I'm just want to 219 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: catch people in case you're in your car. Andy, he's 220 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: the he's the current Deputy Secretary of Energy. So now 221 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: he's going to be well, he's been nominated by President 222 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: Trump to be the top to replace, to replace Perry. 223 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: He served in the army. Uh you know. He was 224 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: also the staff director for the House Energy and Commerce 225 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: Committee for Republicans, so he's very familiar with Washington, with Congress, military, 226 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: and he's again the number two with the Energy Department. 227 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: So it's not much of a shake up. Yeah, it's 228 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: not much of a shakeup at all. So again, if 229 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: you just need an operator, because Trump makes all the 230 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: decisions anyway, it's really fine. But for my former governor, 231 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: Governor Rick Perry, I have absolutely no idea why he 232 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: quit the best job in politics. The governor of Texas 233 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: has all the glory has all the glory in the loot. 234 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Governor literally does all the work. I thought you were 235 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: going to say. I thought she was gonna say Roger 236 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: that she didn't know why he was stepping down. There's 237 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of questions surrounding Secretary 238 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: Perry's departure, especially the questions as it relates to the 239 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: Ukraine impeachment and his communicate with Rudy Giuliani, the President's 240 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: personal attorney. I want to play for you, Roger, and 241 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: then Sarah, we'll get you and as well. But I 242 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: want to play for you what Secretary Perry outgoing Secretary 243 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Perry said today earlier on Fox News, because yesterday mcmulvaney 244 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: gave this press conference and really said that and really 245 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: he'd like said in Lehman's terms that President Trump withheld 246 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: military aid to Ukraine in an effort to force Kiev 247 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: to investigate the d n C and the election. Then 248 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: d o J released a statement saying that's not what happened. 249 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: I didn't say there is quick pro quo, but it 250 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: felt very rushed and it felt like he was but 251 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know, and I mean, it just it felt 252 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: like it was a contract with everything that every other 253 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: administration official was saying. So here's what Secretary Perry said 254 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: earlier today on Box News. There was no quid pro 255 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: quo in the sense of what those folks out there 256 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: would like for it to be, that we're going to 257 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: give you this money unless you go investigate Joe Biden 258 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,359 Speaker 1: and his son. I never heard that said anywhere anytime 259 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: in any conversation. You know, it's funny when these phrases 260 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: get you know, hammered home so often. I mean, the 261 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: obedience of the Trump organization is such that you could 262 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: have a document or or recording of one of these 263 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: characters saying, now here's the quid pro quo, and then 264 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: they would still get up the next day and the 265 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Callie mckcaylee mcininnis and the Jim Jordan's of the world 266 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: would be like, there was no quid pro quol even 267 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: though they said quid pro quoil. So it's it's much 268 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: more a meme. It's much more something that they like 269 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: to repeat than it has any kind of operational relationship 270 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: with reality. This is why the Trump voters, and I 271 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: think the larger audience in general, are so frustrated with 272 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: Washington d C. If a political official associated with President 273 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Trump doesn't answer a reporter's question precisely, then they're lit 274 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: up for all the nuances. But Adam Shift can go 275 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: on record four hundred times and say that there was 276 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: legit evidence of collusion between President Trump and Russia four 277 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: hundred times, and he doesn't get lit up at all. 278 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: I think this is the problem. It actually takes you 279 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: longer to check out your groceries at Whole Foods, which 280 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: I call whole paycheck then it does to read the transcript. 281 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: To read the transcript of the whistleblower complaint, and what 282 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: you find is that there was nothing even remotely close 283 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: to President Trump and the Ukrainian president saying that it 284 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: just isn't there. Look at it's it's Unfortunately, I'd rather 285 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: not have heard you say that, because if I if 286 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: i'm if I'm dangling two million dollars over you, right, 287 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't have to say you do this and you 288 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: get the two hundred million dollars. If I say something like, wow, 289 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: I would be really nice if someone would cut my lawn, 290 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: and then you just I mean, it doesn't have to 291 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: be spelled out this way. And as as you probably 292 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: know because I believe your laure uh. The intent uh 293 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: is enough for a for a high crime. The the 294 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: the desire, the appetite that designs to achieve something like that, 295 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: which I think are roughly borne out by the texts 296 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: amongst the diplomats and stuff. So are you ever going 297 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: to find a recording that says quid pro quote? No? 298 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: But the data points, which are now up into the 299 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: upper single digits, there's eight and nine and ten people 300 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: that are chiming in on this. I think that the 301 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: no quid pro quote thing is a sinking ship, and 302 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: it's already significantly diminished from where it was four or 303 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: five days ago. As a talking point, I wouldn't even 304 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: be repeating it if I was on your side of 305 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: the aisle. If we're going to talk about money and intent, 306 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about the fact that Hunter Biden flew on 307 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: a plane with his dad to China and got one 308 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: point five billion dollars after his dad took a photo 309 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: with the investor. That's money, that's intent, all right. So 310 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: what we're let's do that, well we're having illustrated here 311 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: right now is obviously there's the impeachment inquiries still very 312 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: much in the political sphere. Uh, and even despite Sari 313 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: and I'm really fascinating about which said earlier, about this 314 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: new political redline that the Trump administration has drawn on 315 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: foreign policy because it doesn't exist in the Republican Party 316 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: on impeachment. And in fact, at that point, here's Congressman 317 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, a Republican from Ohio, one of the founding 318 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: members of the Freedom Caucus, the ultra conservative Freedom Caucus, 319 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: speaking and criticizing the House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff. 320 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jim Jordan's They should be concerned 321 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: Adam shift won't let members in the room. They should 322 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: be concerned that Adam Schiff won't release the transcripts. They 323 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: should be concerned that next week he's got multiple depositions 324 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: scheduled on the same day. How am I supposed to 325 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: be in two places one time and and and ask 326 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: witnesses questions and see what goes on in these interviews. 327 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: How is that fair in in any way whatsoever. So 328 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: that's what they should be They should be concerned about 329 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: Adam Schiff met with his staff, met with the whistle bolder. 330 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Be coren't even probably complaint. Uh, this is what I 331 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: This is what I don't get, Roger. Why wouldn't you 332 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: want these hearings public, well, our investigations public. I mean 333 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: the word salad games that are being played, when in fact, 334 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: this is pretty easy right there. There's a single sentence 335 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: in the Constitution that lays out the fact that the 336 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: House has the power to impeach. There's absolutely no language 337 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: about how that goes about. Now we're the House roughly 338 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: has the indictment kind of component of this, and then 339 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: the Senate has the trial. So when there's all the 340 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: bed wedding about, we don't get to question witnesses and 341 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: all these things. That is willful ignorance about the process 342 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: because the trial will happen. And Jim Jordan's and the 343 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: Devin nunez Is and the Mark Meadows of the world. 344 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Blind obedience in grown men to me is very unseemly, 345 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: and it really for the most part, hasn't worked out 346 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: well in history. These guys would literally go to a 347 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: ceremony at the White House where the President was signing 348 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: legislation that would eliminate their districts, and these spineless characters 349 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: would actually ask for the pen as a souvenir their 350 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: obedience is so complete and it's troubling to me. I 351 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: find myself and I'll end here. You know, I've spent 352 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: a lot of my adult life campaigning against Republicans, but 353 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: at the same time, now I and recently I find 354 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: myself advocating for a more robust Republican Party, Like where 355 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: is the fiscal discipline, where is the patriotism, where is 356 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: the family values? It's all being thrown out the window 357 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: for this cult that worships a guy who's given more 358 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: money to Pelosi, Schumer and Hillary than me. I would, honestly, 359 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: if I was Jim Jordan Devon Noon, as any member 360 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party in the House, I would go 361 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: get a manicure. I would get a massage. Why would 362 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: you even try to legitimize something that is de legitimate. 363 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: If you read the transcript of the quote unquote alleged 364 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: whistle blower, which was hearsay, it's broken up into three trunches. 365 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: It will take you longer to scroll through your Amazon 366 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: order than to actually read it. And what it happens 367 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: is when the President was talking about the fact that 368 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: United States will always support Ukraine. That everything to do 369 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: with the fact that Angela Merkel In Emmanuel Macron refused 370 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: to continue to enforce EU sanctions against Russia for illegally 371 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: annexing Crimea. And when you look at the second part 372 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: of it, when it talks about Rudy Giuliani, it's talking 373 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: about the fact that Ukraine was brought into the Muller Report, 374 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: into the Mullarvan investigation, but the democratically controlled House continues 375 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: to refuse to accept the fact that there was no collusion. 376 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: And the third chant of it, when we talk more 377 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: about Rudy Giuliani going over there, it's just because their friends. 378 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: They were a part of each other's lives since nine eleven. 379 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: That's what the transcript says. So honestly, they should just 380 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: go and we're not going to change you guys are 381 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: going to change each other's minds. And it's Friday, and 382 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful day. And I just kind of say, 383 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: the Nats are in the World series. Did you guys 384 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: see this headline about Bryce Harper? Oh so good? That 385 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: burn is so good? Actually, Okay, so you wish the 386 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: Gnats well, I guess, and I guess the Nats fans 387 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: here in town rightfully so are by Felicia, take your 388 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars three and thirty million dollars actually coming up. 389 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: We're not We'll talk a little bit more baseball, but 390 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: Panels days. Sarah Kim, Roger Fiske, I'm I'm a Philly 391 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: fan through and through, but I mean you gotta give 392 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: credit where credits give go nuts. 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A Republican strategist 402 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: democratic strategist, respectively. Do you guys see this Mark Zuckerberg, 403 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg. He's the five. Here's the headline. The 404 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: headline in the New York Times Defiant, Zuckerberg says Facebook 405 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: will not police political speech. So he spoke to Fox 406 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: News and an exclusive interview, and he says, quote, I 407 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of data that suggests that there's 408 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: negative impact. He goes on to say, quote, California is 409 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: an overwhelmingly left leaning place. That's where the headquarters. If 410 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: you look at the political donations from the tech companies, 411 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: that's nine plus percent of them go towards Democratic candidates. 412 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: So I understand why people would ask the question of 413 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: our my idea is getting a fair shake. And all 414 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: that I can say on this is that this is 415 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: something I care deeply about. I want to make sure 416 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: we can be a platform for all ideas. He goes 417 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: on to say that that he believes in free speech. Sarah, 418 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: you're you're rolling your eyes here. I mean Facebook Isa 419 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: had him emoji, My emoji would be my eyes rolling 420 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: out because I couldn't care less what Mike Mark Zuckerberg wants. 421 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: And I think Facebook is going to be irrelevant because 422 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: you know what, at the end of the day, he 423 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: is the second richest person in the world, and he 424 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: collects social media data without disclosures, and so I am 425 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: just going to delete Facebook along with an entire generation 426 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: who no longer believe Facebook is relevant. I mean, it's 427 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: part of a larger trend of of tech companies, regardless 428 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: of of the platform. Roger really just waking up to 429 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: the nonpartisan agreement here, it's bipartisan that that something has 430 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: to be done in terms of regulations to reign these 431 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: folks in, whether whether you're picking them for freedom of 432 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: speech or for Russia ads or whatever. I mean, I 433 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: somewhat get his posture, which is, I think the same 434 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: posture that virtually any CEO has to take, which is 435 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: like we're not giving an inch, right, Like you pretty 436 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: much have to go out and say that I'm not 437 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: saying that in the long run that that's a smart strategy. 438 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: I think it was Senator Durban actually when when Zuckerberg 439 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: went in front of UM maybe the Commerce Committee, and 440 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: Senator Durban's first question is like, so, Mr Zuckerberg, what 441 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: hotel you staying at in d C? And and Zuckerberg 442 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to tell you, And he's like, 443 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: but your platform tells. But what you know what I'm saying, 444 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: So like, it's it's interesting, you know, to pull back 445 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: for a second. Culturally, it's very interesting to see someone 446 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: of his success from the Silicon Valley world come up 447 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 1: against the behemoth of the federal government. It's a very 448 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: interesting kind of cultural clash in a lot of ways. 449 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: But sooner or later, I think, you know, the Supreme 450 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: Court draws a line in speech with um what's called 451 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: criminal syndicalism. It's Brandenburg versus Ohio. You can tell me 452 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: if I'm right on this. But the differences is to 453 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: say Rogers an idiot, and I hope he dies. But 454 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: but but but then if you say, Roger walks his 455 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: dog every morning at eight am, and we should all 456 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: get together and yeah, sorry, no, no, no, I'm just saying. 457 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: I'm just saying because it really I just want to 458 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: keep it focused on this right. But some some speech, 459 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: there is a case to be made for some speech 460 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: being put under a microscope and dealt with. So And 461 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: it's interesting because Zuckerberg was spoke at Georgetown University earlier 462 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: this week and and to your point, I mean to 463 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: both of your point, I don't think you guys think 464 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: you agree with you, we're not. And and he said, 465 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: quote I'm reading from the speech that he gave it 466 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: George down quote. We don't fact check political ads. We 467 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: don't do this to help politicians, but because we don't 468 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: do this to help politicians, but because we think people 469 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: should be able to say for themselves what politicians are saying. 470 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: End quote. For that same reason, if content is newsworthy, 471 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: we also won't take it down, even if it otherwise 472 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: would conflict with some of our standards. End quote. I just, 473 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: I I know, it's just I don't under I guess, 474 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: I guess I don't want to have an opinion. But 475 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: if I if I was interviewing Mark Zuckerberg, I would ask, okay, well, well, 476 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean, if if you're driving down the interstate in 477 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: Iowa ahead of the ahead of the Iowa Caucus, and 478 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: there is a billboard for Joe Biden, for Donald Trump, 479 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: for Tulsey Gabbard, it says paid for by the campaign 480 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: or paid for by this superpack. It should say paid 481 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: for by Russia or paid for by a for a 482 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: hostile foreign power. If it was on that billboard, they 483 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: would have to because there's laws in place that say 484 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: disclosure for advertisements that have to be there. Ditto for 485 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: newspaper ads, Ditto for other ads. Why isn't that the 486 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: same disclosure for Facebook? That would be my question to 487 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Mark Stuckerberg. Coming up, What's on the Panel's Radar? Download 488 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg 489 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You 490 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: can also find me on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio, 491 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: and Spotify. Fascinating though, fascinating week for Mark Stuckerberg. I'm 492 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg nine. You're listening to 493 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Sirel on Bloomberg one and 494 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: one Old five point seven f M h D two. 495 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, folks. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for 496 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. It's time now for What's 497 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: on the Panel's Radar with Seray Kim, republican strategist, attorney 498 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: and former senior advisor and the Trump administration. And Roger Fiske, 499 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist, longtime President Obama aid and principle of Good 500 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: Day Strategy. I just want to put a period on 501 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: what we were talking about early year with social media, 502 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: and I did just a quick research and the broadband search, 503 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: dot net and medium. Dot Com did a social media 504 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: survey UH in two thousand and nineteen, how much time 505 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: do people spend on social media? In two thousand and nineteen, 506 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: roughly forty five cent of the world's population used social media, 507 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: with an average Are you ready for this? This is 508 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: so depressing. Sorry, that's opinion two hours and twenty three 509 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: minutes per day. I would have thought it was more. 510 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: Really see, I've been as as you know, so, I mean, 511 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: we've talked about this offline. I've I've been really on 512 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: like a social media break because I just I just 513 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: it's too much. I'm aware obviously, you know, with the 514 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: president sweets and whatnot, but it's just been too much, 515 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm taking a breather from it, 516 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: um just for now and just focusing on the reporting. 517 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: But it's really remarkable. As you have Mark Zuckerberg speaking 518 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: at Georgetown up on Capitol Hill talking to Fox News. 519 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just something very quick and creepy. One 520 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: of the hold on, one of the executives of one 521 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: of the big tech companies, was asked, who is your 522 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: biggest competitor? And you know what his answer was, sleep, 523 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: I like that we both side were just like, what's 524 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: on your radar? No, that's that's crazy, because it is 525 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, I always say to people, what is the 526 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: first thing you do when you wake up in the morning, 527 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: And for a while, I'm gonna be really honest, for 528 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: a while it was I would check Instagram, and I 529 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want that to be the 530 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: first thing I do. But I opened my eyes. There 531 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 1: are there are a million other things I would rather 532 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: do first than check, you know, even just give yourself 533 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. Oh, I mean, I do other things 534 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: in the morning for but it's like, it's it's bizarre. 535 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm trying to break that habit. Okay, what's 536 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: on your radar? Roger? Enough about me? That's too much, Kevin. 537 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: I won't. I won't. I won't. So I always think 538 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: of the story that doesn't get told. And a couple 539 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: of years ago, um one of the national narratives was 540 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: basically the death of journalism, right, and so for good 541 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: or for bad, Um, the current occupant of the White 542 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: House has been has brought about a renaissance in journalism 543 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: and television and subscriptions and things like that. So one 544 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: of the things that I've been thinking about is like, 545 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: how are people planning for the day, either in a 546 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: year or so or five years when that this particular 547 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: episode is over. And we go back to that idea 548 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: that all these major newspapers are are failing in that 549 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: viewership and things like that are plummeting. But so it's 550 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: it used to be a big part of the national conversation. 551 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: Now it's basically gone away because there's this renaissance in journalism, 552 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: but that that's waiting for all the all these big 553 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: publications and things like that when whenever this day is over. 554 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: So it'd be interesting to be previous some of the 555 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: planning because they've bought themselves another five or ten years 556 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: of shelf life. Interesting. I actually, you know, look, I 557 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: I as Sarah, you know, uh. This talking about the 558 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: media is that's something I like to do because I 559 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: think there are enough reporters that do it, uh, and 560 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: some who do it well most to do not um. 561 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: But what I'll say is I think that there's always 562 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: going to be an appetite for folks to understand what's 563 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: going on in Washington, d C. That's my two cents. 564 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: But I do think that that that there that there 565 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: ought to be a period of self reflection, especially with 566 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: how we use all the different tools in the arsenal 567 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: as it relates to things like social media, for how 568 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: we as an industry do it. That's my soapbox, and 569 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: get off my soapbox. Sorry, Sarah, go what's on your radar? 570 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: Shut me up? No, no, don't shut up. No. I 571 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: think that's actually a very profound statement. The only thing 572 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: that I would say is, like each of the states, 573 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: the first estate, second to state, third estate, fourth the state. 574 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: As they continue to cycle themselves, there'll be another cycle. 575 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: So I think it will be totally fine, which I 576 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: agree with you. But to be even more profound, can 577 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: we just talk about the fact that the national panda 578 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: Babe is leaving the United States and we will not 579 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: get another panda. So the Chinese in the United States 580 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: have an agreement where every four years we get a 581 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: fresh panda because when they're four years old, they go 582 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: back home to fade away into heaven um. But normally 583 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: we get a fresh panda. China trade war because the 584 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: Chinese realized how desperate we are to have a big, 585 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: fat thing that does nothing but eat all day. So 586 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: this is this is really directly language its link to it. 587 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: China was like, we're not gonna give you one. It's 588 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: it's amazing, all right. So I wanted to talk a 589 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: little bit about twenty, but mine is actually also of 590 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: relating to US China trade tensions because there has been 591 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: so much news this week. But as you all know, 592 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this NBA Hong Kong story and and 593 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: Lebron James is wrapped up in it, and he made 594 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: comments on earlier this week when asked about whether the 595 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: general manager of the Houston Rockets ought to have tweeted 596 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: out support for Hong Kong, which launched this entire back 597 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: and forth between the US and China, and the NBA 598 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: has a big imprint in China and China canceled deals. 599 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: Lebron James says, quote, yes, we do have freedom of speech, 600 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: but at times there are ramifications for the negative that 601 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: can happen when you're not thinking about others, when you 602 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: only think about yourself. So many people could have been harmed, 603 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: not only financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually. James continued, quote, 604 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: so just be careful what we tweet and what we 605 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: say and what we do even though yes, we do 606 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: have freedom of speech. I was very surprised to hear 607 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: this coming from from Lebron James. South Park dunked him, 608 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: uh and just really criticized him for those comments. Lawmakers 609 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: have come out against him. ESPN has been doing such 610 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: incredible reporting on this, especially for someone who I think 611 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: we can agree it's been pretty careful and delivered about 612 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,239 Speaker 1: building his public face image off the court. I mean, 613 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: it comes off as a major stomach So so this 614 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: is what's crazy, is is Lebron James. They were on 615 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: a plane. They were departing for for Shanghai to go play. 616 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: So when when when the general manager of the Houston 617 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: Rockets tweeted this tweet. They didn't have WiFi, so they 618 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: were like over the Pacific Ocean, presumably on a plane. 619 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: So they land in Shanghai as all of this is happening. 620 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: They get to their hotel. This is according to ESPN, 621 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: this article is amazing. They land at the Ritz Carlton 622 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: where they're staying, and they were expecting to have all 623 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: of these receptions and whatnot, and all of that was canceled. 624 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: That's right. So I would say two things. You know, 625 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: how much of a sports fan. I am right won 626 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: the Financial Element eight hundred million Chinese no longer can 627 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: watch the NBA and that's what he was talking about, 628 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: financials and to King Lebron. This happened in a week. 629 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: We have thirteen months until November. Goodness, gracious, who knows 630 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: what's going to happen this This story is truly remarkable. 631 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: Um So that's what's on my radar. We didn't even 632 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: get to talk about Hillary Clinton going after Tulsey Gabber, 633 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: but she gave an interview to David Pluff in which she, 634 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much just says that Russia's candidate is 635 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: is Tulsea Cabird. I'll leave that there. Have a great weekend, everybody. 636 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. I'll be back on Monday. Thank you 637 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: to Seray Kim and Roger Fist. Always a great show 638 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: with YouTube. Download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, 639 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 640 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Radio dot com, I 641 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. I am Kevin surreally no more soapboau. 642 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: I promise you're listening to Bloomberg