WEBVTT - TURNOUT Episode 7: 'Stepping out of your partisan self'

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<v Speaker 1>Oh jamaatral in California. Do you love movies? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>is turnout Volks. The people of this nation have spoken.

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<v Speaker 1>They've delivered us a clear victory, a convincing victory. On Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>November seven, after days of County, Pennsylvania finally tipped the

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<v Speaker 1>scales for the Biden Harris ticket of victory four, We

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<v Speaker 1>the people We've won with the most votes ever cast

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<v Speaker 1>from presidential ticket in the history of the nation, seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four millions. That night in Wilmington, Delaware, the President elect

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<v Speaker 1>and his vice president elect sent out a message of unity.

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<v Speaker 1>You chose hope and unity, decency, science, and yes truth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to put away the harsh rhetoric. Laura the temperature,

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<v Speaker 1>see each other again, listen to each other again. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a refreshing moment. It was also historic. But while

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<v Speaker 1>I may be the first woman in this office, I

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<v Speaker 1>will not be the last. On Sunday, the day after

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<v Speaker 1>those speeches, I woke up feeling like my old self again,

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<v Speaker 1>just forty, I mean, four years older. Here's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>about President Donald Trump. I know him, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>I got to know him during my fifteen years on

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<v Speaker 1>the Today Shows This Is Today with P. D. Curry.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of our job was to promote a reality show

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<v Speaker 1>I had never seen, called The Apprentice. Last night, on

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<v Speaker 1>The Apprentice, I did the unex acted. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>give the fiery a chance to fight for her spot.

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<v Speaker 1>His success, in fact, was partially our responsibility. The Donald,

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<v Speaker 1>as he was known to Manhattan Night's, was very nice

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<v Speaker 1>to me. During those years. He supported my colon cancer

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<v Speaker 1>efforts after my husband died, and I even attended his

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<v Speaker 1>wedding to Milania in two thousand five. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and sixteen and the contest between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton,

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<v Speaker 1>I believed Hillary would have been a far better president,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was disappointed and pretty shocked at the results.

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<v Speaker 1>But Hillary Clinton's gracious concession speech moved me. We have

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<v Speaker 1>seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought.

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<v Speaker 1>But I still believe in America and I always will.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you do, then we must accept this result

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<v Speaker 1>and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be our president. We owe him an open mind

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<v Speaker 1>and the chance to lead. I tried to keep an

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<v Speaker 1>open mind. I prayed that somehow the awesome and humbling

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<v Speaker 1>job of leading our country would bring out the best

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<v Speaker 1>in Donald Trump, that he would rise to the occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead it was the opposite. As Trump's character sank

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<v Speaker 1>lower and lower, we Americans were like the proverbial frog

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<v Speaker 1>in the water. As that water got hotter and hotter.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the course of his presidency, we became slowly accustomed

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<v Speaker 1>to his norm breaking outrages, until it reached a roiling

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<v Speaker 1>boil I recognized that some people appreciated that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>said it like it was, and that he became a

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<v Speaker 1>vessel for their fears and frustrations. But every day he

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to take his bare hands and rip apart the

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<v Speaker 1>gaping wound that already existed in our country, preventing any

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<v Speaker 1>chance of events will healing. The birther who inexplicably promoted

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<v Speaker 1>the false notion that Barack Obama was not a US citizen,

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<v Speaker 1>gave birth to countless conspiracy theories and the nefarious groups

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<v Speaker 1>that trade in them, And he sewed mistrust in our institutions.

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<v Speaker 1>A reality star who locked his supporters into an alternate

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<v Speaker 1>reality and threw away the key. Donald Trump didn't grow

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<v Speaker 1>bigger in the job. He grew smaller. And now it

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<v Speaker 1>really is mourning in America. We have a president and

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<v Speaker 1>vice president who will conduct themselves with dignity, humility, and decency.

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<v Speaker 1>We must restore the soul of America. Our nation is

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<v Speaker 1>shaped by the constant battle between our better angels and

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<v Speaker 1>our darkest impulstals. Now what presidents say in this battle matters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for our better angels revail. They have a

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<v Speaker 1>huge task, of course, making millions of Americans who didn't

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<v Speaker 1>support them feel seen, heard, and cared about. They must

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<v Speaker 1>help them understand that the changing demographics of our country

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<v Speaker 1>isn't something to fear, but to celebrate. And job number

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<v Speaker 1>one is to lead the country out of an out

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<v Speaker 1>of control pandemic that's leaving families grieving over the lives

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<v Speaker 1>and livelihoods lost. I'm an optimist, but I'm not cock eyed.

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<v Speaker 1>We may never agree on everything, but I'm looking forward to,

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<v Speaker 1>as Joe Biden said, lowering the temperature of our national

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<v Speaker 1>thermostat and seeing each other as human beings, not bumper

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<v Speaker 1>stickers or lawn signs. Maybe then we can get back

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<v Speaker 1>to work and start making progress on some enormous problems

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<v Speaker 1>that won't just go away on their own. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump to succeed, and I gave him a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>For all those who voted for him, please do the

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<v Speaker 1>same for the incoming administration. So keep an open mind

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe, just maybe we can all work together. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take a short break when we come back, let's

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<v Speaker 1>see how our democracy is doing. Now that the election

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<v Speaker 1>is almost in our rear. Freeme mirror, So I present state,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>this unprecedented pandemic election is technically behind us, we thought

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be helpful to get a temperature read on our democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Elections were far better than some of the worst case scenarios.

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<v Speaker 1>To do that, we brought back Jesse Littlewood of Common

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<v Speaker 1>Cause and it still had some challenges for voters that

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<v Speaker 1>we think could be improved because democracy works best when

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<v Speaker 1>more people participate, and we think that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of reforms in the elections to build on, but democracy

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<v Speaker 1>needs to keep pushing forward to have a democracy that

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<v Speaker 1>truly works for everyone. During the early voting period and

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<v Speaker 1>on election Day, Common Cause was out there and across

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<v Speaker 1>the country keeping an eye on democracy at work. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Election Protection Coalition that Common Cause is proud to

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the leaders of not Only is deployed

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<v Speaker 1>people in the field into over forty states helping to

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<v Speaker 1>monitor the poll in places. Um you know, many of

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<v Speaker 1>our volunteers were in a car or on a bicycle

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<v Speaker 1>sort of traveling between a couple of polling places to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that the election was running smoothly. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>our partners, the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights under law

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<v Speaker 1>Man the eight six six are about hotline which received

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a record number of calls, and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily because there was a record number of problems, but

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<v Speaker 1>there were people who learned that there was a resource

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<v Speaker 1>for them to answer their question, to find out where

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<v Speaker 1>they're polling place, was to understand what kind of ID

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<v Speaker 1>they needed, and they were able to get their questions

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<v Speaker 1>answered and actually participate. Now that data is actually really

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<v Speaker 1>vital to be able to make a plan to change

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<v Speaker 1>any of the problems that did crop up on election day.

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<v Speaker 1>So that data, the data that comes from our field volunteers,

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<v Speaker 1>the data that we found from our social media monitoring program,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to turn that into uh usable actionable insights

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<v Speaker 1>for state legislatures and other decision makers to see where

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<v Speaker 1>there were systemic problems and be able to address those

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<v Speaker 1>on their state level. In this country, we administer elections

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<v Speaker 1>on a state by state level, sometimes county by county,

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<v Speaker 1>and so being able to actually be a source of

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<v Speaker 1>information and to help advocate for voters of any party

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<v Speaker 1>to participate and get over some of these hurdles is

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<v Speaker 1>something we're gonna do. You know. I think one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I found really remarkable was in our social media

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<v Speaker 1>monitoring program. You know, we set that program up to

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<v Speaker 1>not only look for the disinformation that is attacking voters,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, telling people the wrong ways to vote or

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<v Speaker 1>telling them that their vote doesn't count, or trying to

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<v Speaker 1>undercut their belief in the integrity of the system. We

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<v Speaker 1>also set that system up because we know many voters

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the hotline number or don't know who to

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<v Speaker 1>call if they have a problem. And we found just

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<v Speaker 1>a remarkable number of instances of voters tweeting out that

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<v Speaker 1>they had a problem, that they were told they had

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<v Speaker 1>to use a pro national ballot, or that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a long line at their polling place, or they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be found in the voter rules. And we were able

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<v Speaker 1>to connect with those voters because we have this network

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<v Speaker 1>of volunteers and tell them, Okay, you can actually get

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<v Speaker 1>your problem solved. You can call eight six six r

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<v Speaker 1>vote Um. If you're being told to use a provisional ballot,

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<v Speaker 1>you should talk to the sire vote volunteer or your

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<v Speaker 1>administrator and find out why, because maybe you're just in

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong polling place and if you go to a

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<v Speaker 1>different polling place, you won't have to vote provisionally. So

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<v Speaker 1>we we saw a lot of folks use these social

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<v Speaker 1>media tools to kind of throw up a flare and

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<v Speaker 1>ask for help, and because we had this network of volunteers,

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<v Speaker 1>we were able to do a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>search and rescue mission. We found those folks and we

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<v Speaker 1>were able to get them that information. And because social

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<v Speaker 1>media is a publishing platform, other people saw that too,

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<v Speaker 1>when they saw their friends ask for help and that

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<v Speaker 1>a resource was there. I think that's important on an

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<v Speaker 1>individual level, but also, and I be a little cheesy here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's also important on kind of a societal democratic

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<v Speaker 1>participation level. There's so much happening right now in especially

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<v Speaker 1>on social media that is a competing it's a partisan warfare.

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<v Speaker 1>It's two parties attacking each other, either about policies or

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<v Speaker 1>about the election process. And to see that there was individuals, voters,

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<v Speaker 1>people just like them saying we're here to help you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what party you're part of, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care who you're voting for. You have a right to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here to help you. I think that actually matters,

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<v Speaker 1>to push back on the way that, you know, politics

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<v Speaker 1>right now is kind of a blood sport and a

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<v Speaker 1>winner take all contests, and instead we were able to

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<v Speaker 1>have democracy and action of voters helping voters, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stepping outside of our own partisan bubble and saying there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be problems that people have. I don't really care

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<v Speaker 1>where or you know, what party they are, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to step in and try and help them. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that goes to the process of rebuilding

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<v Speaker 1>a stronger civic fabric in this country. Jeff he says,

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<v Speaker 1>big picture, there are two major takeaways from election. Number

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<v Speaker 1>one takeaway from me is that when you give people

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities to vote on a day other than the first

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday in November, they will take you up on the

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<v Speaker 1>offer and it will make your first day in November

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<v Speaker 1>election day run much smoother. Expanding early vote, expanding vote

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<v Speaker 1>by mail, those are huge benefits not just to voters

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<v Speaker 1>but to the people who need to administer the elections

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<v Speaker 1>because it reduces the volume that you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>through on that day. I also think that voters are

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<v Speaker 1>getting the message pretty clearly that UM their vote matters

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<v Speaker 1>when you see that the margin of victory and some

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<v Speaker 1>of these contests is really really narrow. Now, Common Cause

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<v Speaker 1>is not a big proponent of the electoral college. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>we support the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact because the

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<v Speaker 1>way the electoral College works UM is a real voter

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<v Speaker 1>depression in terms of making folks feel like their vote

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't actually out in the presidential contest in many states,

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<v Speaker 1>but as we saw, there are some very close races

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<v Speaker 1>and some of these key battleground states, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it sends a message clearly to the voters that every

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<v Speaker 1>vote does matter, and the narrow margin of victory means

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<v Speaker 1>how important is for everyone to turn out and make

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<v Speaker 1>their voice hurt in our democracy when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to podcast. I believe that we had a

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<v Speaker 1>higher turnout than almost at any other point in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the electorate. Again, here's Jesse Littlewood of Common Cause,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is like a testament to the great work

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<v Speaker 1>of elections workers, as well as the changes that we

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<v Speaker 1>made to the election systems in response to the coronavirus pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>which could have crashed our turnout and instead it actually

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<v Speaker 1>increased it from the last four years, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable success story. Now, there were very real problems that

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<v Speaker 1>happened to individuals over the course of election day. There's

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<v Speaker 1>far too many barriers to be able to exercise your vote,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to people of color and low

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<v Speaker 1>income communities, or people with disabilities, or other folks like

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<v Speaker 1>students who still have a lot of barriers in their

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<v Speaker 1>way in order to be able to vote, but we

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<v Speaker 1>saw no large scale meltdown of the election process, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that has a lot to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the changes that we made in the process

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<v Speaker 1>included expanding the vote by mail system to far more

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<v Speaker 1>voters than ever before. And it also the number of

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<v Speaker 1>early days that voters could participate meant that a very

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<v Speaker 1>large portion of the votes were already in before or

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<v Speaker 1>the singular election day on the first Tuesday in November.

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<v Speaker 1>And because of that, that reduced some of the administrative

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<v Speaker 1>challenges that we've seen in the past. High turnout is

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<v Speaker 1>good news, but Jesse says there were still those familiar

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<v Speaker 1>barriers to the ballot. The thing I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is erase the challenges that some people still have

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<v Speaker 1>and being able to exercise their right to vote. And

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<v Speaker 1>those challenges don't happen just on election day. They come

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<v Speaker 1>through restrictive laws like strict voter ID laws that we

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<v Speaker 1>know disenfranchise individuals, particularly voters of color, more so than others.

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<v Speaker 1>Those barriers still exist, right and the challenges of removing

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<v Speaker 1>people unduly from the voter rolls when they haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>active in the most recent elections, these challenges are still there,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet despite that democracy one people overcame those barriers.

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<v Speaker 1>More people participated as a voter in this election than

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<v Speaker 1>in previous periods, and that was because of the in

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<v Speaker 1>trist in participating in the democracy and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>elections workers really stood up to the challenge and we're

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<v Speaker 1>able to do more um in terms of actually administering

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<v Speaker 1>this election. Despite not having the resources that they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to have to be able to fully administer it in

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<v Speaker 1>the challenges that we had, they did a lot with

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<v Speaker 1>what they were able to do, so I would call

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly a qualified success. I wouldn't say that it

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<v Speaker 1>was perfect because democracy is a process, it is not

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<v Speaker 1>a destination, and we are still need to eliminate any

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<v Speaker 1>of the barriers two people participating in our democracy, of

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<v Speaker 1>which there's there still exists far too many. This election

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<v Speaker 1>also brought to the surface new potential obstructions to voting

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<v Speaker 1>that organizations like Common Cause are watching and plant to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>While we were expecting a large amount of disinformation about

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<v Speaker 1>the elections, I think I was still surprised by the volume,

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<v Speaker 1>the consistency, and the sort of ferocity of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think while we have seen it increase, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>year over year. I am concerned that specifically around the

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<v Speaker 1>disinformation about the participation in democracy will continue to be

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<v Speaker 1>just like a tactic used by partisans in order to

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<v Speaker 1>secure victory for their preferred candidate. UH whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>that becomes really part of the party and the campaign

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<v Speaker 1>apparatus remains to be seen. We know that there were

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<v Speaker 1>a number of legal challenges filed by the Trump campaign

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<v Speaker 1>and the Republican National Committee about certain types of reforms

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<v Speaker 1>that were made to do expansion of the voting process,

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<v Speaker 1>including the vote by mail system and early voting drop

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<v Speaker 1>boxes and how many are allowed per county. That kind

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<v Speaker 1>of legal push to restrict reforms that could give more

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<v Speaker 1>people access to voting, I think is really troubling and

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<v Speaker 1>something that will be really important to pay attention to

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. While it appears that President Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>lost reelection, Republicans across the country did not fare that badly,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it is going to be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 1>how the Republican National Committee and the Republican Party decides

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<v Speaker 1>to steer their course when it comes to deciding what

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<v Speaker 1>are the kinds of voting reforms they they want to encourage.

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<v Speaker 1>We're kind of voting reforms they want to discourage. What

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<v Speaker 1>is troubling about that is that, by and large, states

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<v Speaker 1>and the elections administrators in those states have a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good idea, especially when they're are in dialogue with voter

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<v Speaker 1>protection groups, what voters need to be successful and to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to participate and to see it become a

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<v Speaker 1>key campaign tactic to try and change the rules of

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<v Speaker 1>the system. I don't think that is beneficial to voters

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<v Speaker 1>or to our democracy. So we're gonna watch dog that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of process UM in the future, as we continue

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<v Speaker 1>to look at how polling places are deployed and other

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of reform UM, we'd like to see a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the kind of reforms that clearly increased turnout remain

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<v Speaker 1>in place. UM. As we voters are now starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get experienced with more vote by mail options, those are

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<v Speaker 1>positive reforms that will help more voters turn out. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like to see what can be done to ensure

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<v Speaker 1>that those are permanent reforms that are available to more

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<v Speaker 1>voters in the future elections. It's great that we saw

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<v Speaker 1>more Republicans, Independence, and Democrats participate in this election than

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<v Speaker 1>any other. That's the bottom line of what a good

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<v Speaker 1>democracy looks like is when there is a robust contest

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<v Speaker 1>between competing ideas and the body politic decides to make

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<v Speaker 1>their voice heard in what that outcome is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But my hope, and this may be something of rose

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<v Speaker 1>colored glasses, but my hope is that it's also people

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<v Speaker 1>determining for themselves that it's important to be an active

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<v Speaker 1>citizen right and to actually decide for themselves that what

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna do is they're going to participate in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways, one of the most important ways, not

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<v Speaker 1>the only way, but one of the ways of making

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<v Speaker 1>their voice heard in shaping the future and the decisions

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<v Speaker 1>of our country. And that means deciding to vote. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that everyone, regardless of your political belief, decides

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<v Speaker 1>that that is something you will continue to do throughout

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<v Speaker 1>future elections. And as for President Trump, so far refusal

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<v Speaker 1>to concede, Jesse says, the fact is the process continues,

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<v Speaker 1>whether a losing candidate wants it to or not. The

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<v Speaker 1>will of the people decides. The votes were cast, the

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<v Speaker 1>votes are counted, the process moves forward, and those are

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<v Speaker 1>that's who is the next person elected as president or

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<v Speaker 1>in any other office. So in some sense, it's immaterial.

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<v Speaker 1>The president's decision to not concede the election is immaterial

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<v Speaker 1>to the progress of our electoral system. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>way it should be, because it's not up to the

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<v Speaker 1>person in the office to decide what the process is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up to the voters in our democracy and the

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<v Speaker 1>process that's laid out through our laws. But Jesse says

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<v Speaker 1>the president's continued rhetoric is crossing a lie that we've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen before. It is corrosive to our democratic process

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<v Speaker 1>and participation by voters in future elections. When a losing

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<v Speaker 1>candidate doesn't concede the election, that's just the reality because

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<v Speaker 1>then it makes individuals potentially not trust the results of

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<v Speaker 1>the system or the way that the system is set

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<v Speaker 1>up and operates. I don't think that they get well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the way that the process plays out. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is really disappointing, and I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>dispiriting from someone my perspective of someone who wants to

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<v Speaker 1>see a robust democracy not only in but in all

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<v Speaker 1>future elections. To see um, that kind of response coming

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<v Speaker 1>from someone who you know is going to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>leave kicking and screaming instead of reflecting on the process

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<v Speaker 1>played out, and that the if the voters have spoken,

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<v Speaker 1>there the will that they're going to accept. When I

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<v Speaker 1>think about the fact that many top Republicans, although some

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<v Speaker 1>have congratulated, you know, and said we congratulate President elect Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>many have not, I think it's again it ultimately it's

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<v Speaker 1>immaterial to the results of the election, which will play

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<v Speaker 1>out based off of the will of the people, the

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<v Speaker 1>votes that are counted, and the process that goes forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is really disappointing and it is potentially

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<v Speaker 1>a source of additional conflict among voters and our country

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<v Speaker 1>when at the result of a tension filled, highly partisan,

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<v Speaker 1>really intense election that they are unwilling to quickly move

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<v Speaker 1>the country forward when the result is very clear those

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<v Speaker 1>Republican elected officials were elected through a democratic process just

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<v Speaker 1>like the kind we had days ago that clearly has

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in many races being called. I wish that they would, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, take the opportunity to stand up for the process,

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<v Speaker 1>even if the candidate that they preferred wasn't the victor,

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<v Speaker 1>and put their country over their party. Jesse reiterates that

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<v Speaker 1>there was plenty of hope in the election process. I

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<v Speaker 1>am really just floored by the response of election workers

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<v Speaker 1>poll workers. Uh, you know, we had a whole wave

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<v Speaker 1>of young people applying to be poll workers, so that

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<v Speaker 1>poll workers who are historically older were able to not

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<v Speaker 1>be at risk of potential coronavirus. Uh. You know at

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<v Speaker 1>the polling place, we saw more volunteers in the election

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<v Speaker 1>protection program than we've seen in any other cycle that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been involved in. They're just to me, it felt

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<v Speaker 1>like there was a wave of civic participation, not just

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<v Speaker 1>in voting, but in putting democrat see into action and

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<v Speaker 1>stepping out of your partisan self and into a democratic

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<v Speaker 1>self and helping to build a stronger civic society and

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<v Speaker 1>a civic fabric where we encourage in each other, even

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't agree on all the issues, encourage each

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<v Speaker 1>other to participate. And speaking of strong civic participation, before

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<v Speaker 1>we go today, there's someone else we wanted to check

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<v Speaker 1>in with. I continued up until October, registerring, going to

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<v Speaker 1>the parole facilities, the state parole facilities. You may remember

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<v Speaker 1>in that Scott, the volunteer for the League of Women Voters.

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<v Speaker 1>She helps register return citizens in New Jersey for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time in a hundred and seventy six years when

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<v Speaker 1>the law the law it went in effect March seventeenth

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<v Speaker 1>that those on parole O privation could vote. She's featured

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<v Speaker 1>in episode two of this series. I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure they were all registering well. Of course, she's also

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<v Speaker 1>a long time poll worker. I'm what they call a

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<v Speaker 1>permanent worker. And what we what we had to do

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<v Speaker 1>is we had to go before we could the election day,

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<v Speaker 1>you had to go to a refresher course, and they

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<v Speaker 1>had set up quite a few of them in different areas.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went to the refresher course. And what they

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<v Speaker 1>do was they combine those like myself who have been

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<v Speaker 1>pro worker for years, senior pro workers, and also all

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<v Speaker 1>the new ones. And they had like old hundred new ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were various ages, but mostly younger because the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of pro workers are seniors, because most people don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to take off the day, even though we're paid

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred dollars for the day, but a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to be there five fifteen in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>because the law says you must have the voting machines

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<v Speaker 1>ready by six am, so you have to get there

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<v Speaker 1>early enough to set up the machine, do the paperwork,

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<v Speaker 1>all that you have to do so that if someone

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<v Speaker 1>comes in at six am, you have to have that

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<v Speaker 1>ready to vote, got machooting ready for them, and then

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<v Speaker 1>eight o'clock is the last time. So it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>very long day and a lot of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have children, whatnot. From five fifteen the morning to

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<v Speaker 1>eight to night. How could you do it? But for

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<v Speaker 1>for college students, for other people, they've been begging for

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<v Speaker 1>some time to try to get a younger audience, a

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<v Speaker 1>younger participants in so that we would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>accommodate because as more and more of the sears retire

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, they pass, or they're not able to anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not enough people to replace them. And that's already

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<v Speaker 1>looking beyond and the changes in her state that she

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<v Speaker 1>hopes will continue to expand voting access. Yes, there's still

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<v Speaker 1>things that need to be changed and need to be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, worked long and whatnot, but hopefully we will

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<v Speaker 1>continue to see change. And what I know that they're

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<v Speaker 1>working on in New Jersey, but you know, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the priority of course compared to COVID, but those

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<v Speaker 1>who are incarcerated in New Jersey, they want to eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>that as a barrier because two states Maine in Vermont

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<v Speaker 1>never had it, so if you're incarcerated parolea probation you

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<v Speaker 1>could always vote. And they were hoping that New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>would have been the third, but it didn't get the

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<v Speaker 1>support that it needed, so I didn't do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>she is already organizing to help more return citizens register

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<v Speaker 1>for future elections. I was asked by the assistant director

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<v Speaker 1>of the State Parole Board, Okay, to please return to

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<v Speaker 1>the facilities where I had registered people on parolea probation,

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<v Speaker 1>and he added more to it. He gave me. He

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<v Speaker 1>emailed me. He asked me to visit this facility and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, I'm sorry, I don't know where it's.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the address. I don't know of this place.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, oh, so he sent it to me and

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<v Speaker 1>on it about six more places. So right now in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey there's over eighty three thousand people off roll

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<v Speaker 1>A probation and if we only registered three thousand, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people we missed. Huh. So hopefully going

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<v Speaker 1>back to these facilities, I've I've emailed all the people

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<v Speaker 1>who said they wanted to help me. I've emailed them all,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm waiting for them to respond because I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to do it the first of December to go start

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<v Speaker 1>visiting facility that Thank you and that for all your

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<v Speaker 1>hard work. That does it For this week's episode of Turnout,

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