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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. ELK

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Speaker 1: season is right around the corner, and I'd be lying

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Speaker 1: to say that this isn't my favorite time of the

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Speaker 1: year to record podcasts because I get to talk about ELK.

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Speaker 1: I got to talk about ELK calls, ELK calling, the strategy,

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Speaker 1: the what works most of the time, what works not

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Speaker 1: very often, what can improve your odds of when you

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Speaker 1: go to make that call that that bowl ends up

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Speaker 1: into archery range or muzzle at range or whatever your

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Speaker 1: your your weapon is. And so I love this time year.

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Speaker 1: I love talking podcasts about ELK. So we're gonna answer

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Speaker 1: I got four listener questions they've showed up in my

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Speaker 1: email over the last week. I've sweaked them a little

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Speaker 1: bit to be better podcast question. Then we're going to

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Speaker 1: just jump into the what and why of ELK calls,

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Speaker 1: ELK vocabulary, and how I think about that basic sounds

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Speaker 1: everye hundred needs to know out in the woods, and

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Speaker 1: maybe sounds that don't really matter, and then going to

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Speaker 1: maybe some more advanced strategies on you know, telling the story,

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Speaker 1: add realism, being able to read the response that you're

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Speaker 1: getting from ELK out there to become more successful and

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Speaker 1: making sure that your next move is maybe the right move,

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Speaker 1: so to jump. In today's Pendleton Whiskey's Question and Answer

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Speaker 1: h question number one, I have an elk showing up

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Speaker 1: on my I have elk showing up on my cameras,

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Speaker 1: but there aren't very many bowls. What is your play?

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Speaker 1: And so this is this is an interesting topic and

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Speaker 1: something that I got wrong more so early and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know my hunting before I knew what I knew. Now,

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Speaker 1: you're just fine. Uh, if you've got cows, you've got

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Speaker 1: you know, calves, maybe maybe a few raghorn bulls. Maybe

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Speaker 1: a few big bulls show up every once in a while,

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Speaker 1: but not very consistently. I wouldn't worry this time of

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Speaker 1: year July and August leading up to September. These big

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Speaker 1: bulls are typically bachelored up. They are in an area

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Speaker 1: with the best food. Typically these cows and calves are

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Speaker 1: in the best food that they can find that provides

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Speaker 1: the security, the betting, all the things they need to

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Speaker 1: rear those calves. So don't get too worried about having

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Speaker 1: you too many bulls on your camera. Now. That said,

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Speaker 1: back in the day, I did a lot of both

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Speaker 1: camera and then you know, boots on the ground scouting.

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Speaker 1: I don't get to do as much of that anymore,

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Speaker 1: but I really liked when I when I had cameras,

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Speaker 1: but then I could go up for a weekend and

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Speaker 1: scout the area out. I can use my binoculars, like

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Speaker 1: are there any bowls in this area? Or are the

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Speaker 1: bulls hanging out in a very very small secluded area.

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Speaker 1: If a bull can get the food that they need,

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Speaker 1: the amount of food, get the water, and then get

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Speaker 1: the security and betting really just to escape from heat

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Speaker 1: this time of year, that bowl isn't going to travel

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Speaker 1: too far. He's going to live in a pretty tight,

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Speaker 1: tight area once they've yeah, you know, migrated back to

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Speaker 1: where their their summer range fall range is. So you're

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Speaker 1: not going to get a lot of bowls on cameras

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Speaker 1: if they're cow and calves. Now, if you're in a

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Speaker 1: of cows and calves, that's more concerning to me because

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Speaker 1: I've been in this scenario multiple times where I've had,

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Speaker 1: you know, the target bowl or the bulls I wanted

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Speaker 1: to kill on camera. And August twentieth to twenty fifth

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Speaker 1: testosterone starts kicking up. These bulls are interested in cows.

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Speaker 1: They will sometimes leave that area by a half mile,

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Speaker 1: for the fall. So that's more concerning to me when

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Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of bulls on camera. I found

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Speaker 1: that that if I really needed and wanted to keep

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Speaker 1: the ground sometime around the end of August in the

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Speaker 1: early September whenever, you know, or prior to your season starting,

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Speaker 1: so you can be on those bowls. No, it's direction

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Speaker 1: they're going, kind of which way they're they're heading, and

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, oversimplify it. But if you lose

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Speaker 1: Kind of a quick funny story, not real funny for

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Speaker 1: me because I didn't end up killing the bowl. But

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: all of July, all of August, I think we spent

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Speaker 1: This was you know, before my understanding of what was

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Speaker 1: the weekend before, like clockwork. Fast forward two years, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of his Phelps game calls becomes more popular, People

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Speaker 1: are sharing more information with me. I get an email

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Speaker 1: from a guy that I now know fairly well with

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Speaker 1: pictures of this bowl, and I asked him, I said, well,

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind, you know, telling me, like where

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Speaker 1: was this bowl killed? You know, it puts a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of knowledge in my bag of tricks,

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Speaker 1: and just so I I understand this, and that bowl

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Speaker 1: did we find this bowl? We never found him, and

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Speaker 1: that was on the third day of season they killed him.

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Speaker 1: September eleventh, No, No, September eleventh was an opener. I

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Speaker 1: believe we'd watch that bowl on September seventh, and so

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Speaker 1: was just one of those things. He gets you thinking

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Speaker 1: that they want to find, and that's where they're going

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Speaker 1: figure out where they end up. Now, we may be

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Speaker 1: over dramatizing this as well, because there are times where

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Speaker 1: They're probably just gonna stay there, But more times than not,

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Speaker 1: the bulls are going to move to go find the cows.

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Speaker 1: Question number two, how often should I expect a bowl

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Speaker 1: it was Pacific northwest Roosevelts. If I got within one

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Speaker 1: the wind was right. I feel that within those parameters,

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Speaker 1: to come into my calls forty to fifty percent of time,

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Speaker 1: But I would say forty to fifty percent of the

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Speaker 1: been times where we sit down for a quick lunch break.

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Speaker 1: not saying it won't. Now that's typically going to be

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Speaker 1: where I'm at and moving. With all of that said,

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Speaker 1: felt the closer you can get to any elk, whether

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Speaker 1: mature satellite bowl, an immature satellite bowl, a spike. The

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Speaker 1: closer you can get, the more often a bowl is

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Speaker 1: going to come into you. Now, it's just by odds, right.

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Speaker 1: If you if you're five hundred yards away from an

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Speaker 1: elk and they go off on any any direction. Let's

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Speaker 1: just say I'm unpersuaded to go a certain direction, the

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Speaker 1: likelihood that that bull walks by you within shooting range

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Speaker 1: is obviously higher the closer you can get. Now, this

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Speaker 1: a higher likelihood that that bowl doesn't need to move

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Speaker 1: kill elk. I use ambush, I use set up in calling.

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Speaker 1: I get in front of elk and try to get

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Speaker 1: him to walk by me. I sneak in on elk

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Speaker 1: when I need to. But typically I'm not just calling.

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Speaker 1: Is getting the wind right, getting close, using the train

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Speaker 1: the east side in the morning, What's what's causing them

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00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: to be there? Or is it just there more elk

429
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: on that side of the unit. Is there maybe some

430
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: private down there, is there something that they like or

431
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: is it up in? You know, why are they there?

432
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: And then you start to hone in on like where's

433
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: your highest density, where are the most of your elk?

434
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: And then you start to move in. You start to

435
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: make your game plans around that rather than than you know,

436
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: the old day is where I would put an X

437
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: on the map, like this is where I think I'm

438
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna kill an elk. Never quite panned out, like starting fresh,

439
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: almost going in blind, figuring out where the elk are

440
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: at that day and then making my plan from there.

441
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: So I'd rather spend time on on on X Google Earth,

442
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: figuring out just a general area and a high point

443
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: and then going from there, rather than figuring out, oh

444
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: this this drainage has good food, you know, good betting,

445
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: good water. I'm gonna go there. So that's how I

446
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: approach that. Now you do want to keep track of

447
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: good food sources. You can change satellite dates on on X.

448
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm not in a heavy

449
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 1: populated area because there may be elk there, but I

450
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with the hunters. I'm checking food

451
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: sources like are they turning brown above above a certain line.

452
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm checking rain data like was it a super dry year?

453
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: Was it this a normal year? And the food burns up?

454
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: Like what's the food looking like? Where these elk gonna

455
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: end up. I'm always looking for wallows that are full,

456
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: or water ponds, little ponds, seeps, lakes that run you know,

457
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: into the end of September, and if not, I'm trying

458
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: to find main creeks that those elk can go to

459
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: and get their water because elk are gonna need that

460
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: water during September. And so I'm just paying attention to

461
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: like these things that I know the elk are gonna need.

462
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: But I think one of the biggest mistakes is putting

463
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: all of your eggs into a basket from the computer,

464
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: or putting all your eggs into your basket from when

465
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: you went scouting three weeks ago where you saw a

466
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: bowl and you haven't seen him since. Be flexible, be

467
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: willing to move, and I think you're going to find

468
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: more success. So that's going to wrap it up for

469
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: the Pendleton Whiskey Q and A. Now I'm going to

470
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: jump into some of the conversations. Some of these are

471
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: are a little polarizing. You know, people, we haven't really

472
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: hit on these. I'm always wanted to admit there's a

473
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of ways to do this, and some of the

474
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: people that do it their way have success. I just

475
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: I've been doing this long enough to know and to

476
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, not one to call myself a nerd, but

477
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: I am a nerd. When I was learning the Elk hunt,

478
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: I would spend forty five to sixty days out in

479
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: the woods just listening to elk, watching elk from early

480
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: early pre era all the way to post rat. When

481
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: I was in high school college, just spent a lot

482
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: lot of time taking notes, building a notebook, trying to

483
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: figure this thing out. So when it comes to elk vocabulary,

484
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm a guy. I'm in the business of selling elk calls.

485
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm not in the business of having to create a

486
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: system where this vocabulary, this unknown language. I'm not a linguist,

487
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: and there's no you know, dictionary, thesaurus decoder on what

488
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: Elker's saying and why they're saying it. Now, let me

489
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: give you some information when a couple certain herds shoot.

490
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: I would have been a senior in high school, freshman

491
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: in college, so way back in two thousand and one,

492
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, I just went out every single night.

493
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: It was a forty five minute drive up the river.

494
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: I'd get on my bike, ride about forty five minutes,

495
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: and there were some larger caliber bowls that would just

496
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: multiple would hit a similar clearcut. This area didn't have

497
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: very many clearcuts back then. A lot of good elk

498
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: and I would just watch. And this is where I'm

499
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of a naysayer on on well,

500
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: when an elk says this, that means that, and when

501
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: an elk chuckles, that means this. And when you know

502
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: an elk lipballs and screams, it means this. You know,

503
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: some of my good buddies, Joel Turner, you know he

504
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: talks about you know, bulls calling cows or you know,

505
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: there's all these different sounds. But I literally watched there

506
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: were two herd bowls and probably four or five satellite bowls.

507
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: I just sat and watched them, and there was no

508
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason to the sound that they were making.

509
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: Those bulls. One bowl they'd be feeding, he'd pick his

510
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: head up do a nice clean note bugle, and the

511
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: other one would be over there lipballing and chuckling, but

512
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. The next day you'd go out there,

513
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: you'd watch them in your spotter. Obviously, it's one of

514
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: those things where you could see them biggling before the

515
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: sound would get to you, and you're like, oh, this

516
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: should be him, and he would sound completely different. Now

517
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: he was doing a lip ball with a chuckle, and

518
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: he wasn't rounding his cows up, he wasn't doing anything

519
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: besides feeding along with them. You know, some of them

520
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: would like when they would get a little closer, they

521
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: would scream, and I'm like, all right, well, I'm starting

522
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: to think that this vocabulary has more to do with emotion.

523
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: That other bowl went from feeding in the middle of

524
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: the pack to the front. As we got closer to

525
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: that other group of elk, that other herd of elk,

526
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: he's getting a little more ticked off. Well, then the

527
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: other bowl would bogle back a little more aggressively. So

528
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: just by observing this group and then observing a lot

529
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: more group of groups of elk. You know, later, I've

530
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: decided that I'm not necessarily going to call based on

531
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: if your feed alongside of a cow do this, or

532
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: when you know, some other hunter rode up on him

533
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: and they bugled and ran off. There was no rounding up,

534
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: There was none of this. They they they didn't beagle

535
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: until they were two minutes into the timber, and then

536
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: he was trying to, you know, bigle maybe let his

537
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: cows know where it was. Those elk are always going

538
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: to be able to let the cows know, like, hey,

539
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm over here. So I'm not saying there isn't something

540
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: to the vocabulary, just from my experience, my observation, my understanding.

541
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: When it comes to vocabulary, I think it's just like

542
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: people and voices, like I can shout at you. We

543
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: can all shout at you. You know, you can have

544
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: you can have somebody that sounds like they've inhaled, you know,

545
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: pound of helium yell at you. Regardless of what their

546
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: voice sounds like. We understand that it's a yell. There's

547
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: some frustration in there. When I yell at you, it's

548
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: the same as when you know, John Doe yells at

549
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: you there, So there's emotion there. Now if I'm talking

550
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: sweet to you and somebody yet, like what I'm getting

551
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: at is, we all have different voices, but the emotion

552
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: still comes out the same. If I yell at you,

553
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: I yell at you. If I'm you know, if I'm frightened,

554
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm frightened. If I'm you know, talking excited, I'm excited.

555
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: There's and I feel that there's no reason why that

556
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: doesn't translate into into elk. You know, vocabulary that sounds

557
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: Everybody sounds different, everybody has a different voice. I've hunted

558
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: enough elk to watch these things in different scenarios where

559
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: it was truly a vocabulary and a certain soundment and

560
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: an eggs thing. It hasn't happened very very often. It

561
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: The elk aren't often right, and the cows often don't

562
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: respond the way that some of these guys say I don't.

563
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sell you a system or of

564
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: a vocabulary. I'm trying to sell you an ELK call

565
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: and then you can decide how you're gonna call. So

566
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: that's where I think I get a little bit of

567
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: ability to get away from a vocabulary. I'm not trying

568
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: to sell this system, this this uh, this language that

569
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: you got to try to decode. I'm not selling you

570
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: an ELK language decoder. I'm selling you an ELK call

571
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: to sound like an ELK to then match their emotions.

572
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I stand on vocabulary. Never

573
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: got too much into it. If you can figure it

574
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: out and it helps you and makes you a more

575
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: confident caller. Great, And this is going to sound really

576
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: pretentious and higher than now, but I've I know what

577
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: success I've had, I know what success these others have had.

578
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: They've had some, but there's no denying that. But by

579
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: playing on emotions, you're going to be just as successful

580
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: every year. And I think you're going to make the

581
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: right call more times than not than trying to figure out,

582
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: well that ELK said this, that's what he's doing. Now

583
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: I need to respond with this. I think you play

584
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: on emotions, you're going to be better off. The what

585
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: and why of ELK calls, let's jump into that briefly,

586
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: explain the cow sounds I think you need to know

587
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: in order to be successful out there, ones you maybe

588
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: don't need to know, and then how to use them,

589
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: what's a purpose of them. So we have just the

590
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: simplest cawmew, really really easy call to make, one that

591
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody in their elk calling journey should

592
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: start with. It's just a cow mew, super easy. Just

593
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: it's cow to cow communication. We've heard a cow do this,

594
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: a cow answer back, or a cow just makes it.

595
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Nothing else responds. It's just the typical sound that a

596
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: cow will make. Now a calf call a little higher pitched,

597
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: typically a more frantic sound. Calf's talk a lot we've

598
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: we've you know, back in the day, we used calf

599
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: calls or a calf call to alert us that there's

600
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: a herd around. Real short, high pitch, high pitch. They

601
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: typically call more often. Next up is a location bugle.

602
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: This is what we call a location bugle. It's a

603
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: two to three high note bugle. Two to three note

604
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: high note bugle. We typically try to keep it fairly short.

605
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: And this is kind of that Marco polo. This is

606
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: the Marco side of that game. I'm just trying to

607
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: get a simple high note bugle that travels well, cuts

608
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: the wind, is relatively short, so then I can listen

609
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: just to get a response to get the game started.

610
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: So this is what my typical location bugle sounds like.

611
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: I pitch simple, short, thump it off at the end,

612
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: try to get it to reach as many elk as possible.

613
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna go on to a challenge bigle, and

614
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: this is where I think that the terminology gets real loose.

615
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: This is what I make my challenge beagle. So this

616
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: is the bugle. I've moved in close. I think I'm

617
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: within one hundred yards of a herd bowl. Ideally I'm closer,

618
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: But this is the bugle I'm gonna start with to

619
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: challenge him for his cows. I'm gonnadd some voice in

620
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of growl in the middle, and I'm

621
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: typically gonna grunt off of the end of it. That's

622
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: the bugle I do challenge him. Hopefully, if I've did

623
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: all my work right, I've got close enough, got the

624
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: wind right, That'll be the last sound I need to

625
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: make prior to that bowl coming in. You know, from

626
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: one hundred yards away, that bowl is gonna have you

627
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: pinpoint and know exactly what tree you're standing under and

628
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: be able to track you down. Now, yeah, that's kind

629
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: of it. I kind of added the grunts and you know,

630
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: and there's chuckles on the end. But that's the that's

631
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: really all you need to know to be a successful hunter. Now,

632
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: there are times and there are hunts. You know, the

633
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: old Hule Cogan hunt in Wyoming. I got in a

634
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: stand off with a bowl for over two minutes, and

635
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: he kind of knew something wasn't right. He maybe heard us,

636
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, the grass moving as we were getting the position,

637
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: and he barked at me. And so a bark is

638
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: I will agree that there. I've had this happen enough

639
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: that a bark an elk will typically bark when they've

640
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: seen or heard something that they don't expect to be there.

641
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: And it's kind of a come show yourself type of

642
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: a call. Like some it's not right, I can't smell you,

643
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: but I seen or heard something I don't like. And

644
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: in this case, I was able to bark back at

645
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: this bowl to get him to come out in the open.

646
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: I basically said no, you come show yourself, and he

647
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: walked out and I was able to make a great

648
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: shot on that bowl. But a bark is just kind

649
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: of a blast of air. We add some voice then,

650
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: so both bowls and cows will bark at you, and

651
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: you I feel like you need to be able to

652
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: do that back. Now there are lipball bugles where you

653
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: sputter your lips. Those can be used. I like to

654
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: use mimicry a lot, which I'm gonna get into here

655
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: in a little bit. I like to use mimicry to call.

656
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: So whatever that bowl I'm trying to call on this doing,

657
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it right back. And so if he's

658
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, lipball and he's got that sputter going, I

659
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: like to be able to match that. And and uh

660
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: so you know lipballs, estross buzzes, you know, an estross buzz,

661
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: a lipball bugle. These things are calls that we use

662
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: on the stage but can have their purpose out in

663
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: the field. And by being a good caller, it gives

664
00:34:53,160 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: you those tools. So we generate the the estress buzz

665
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: by by you know, kind of vibrating in your throat.

666
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: You know, you got some get get your vocal cords going.

667
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: And then on the lip ball, we're sput on our

668
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: lips really really tight as we begle through the tube.

669
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: There's all these other calls that you can you know,

670
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: lost cow, you know, a screen bugles, all these other things.

671
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: They can be effective, and by being a good caller

672
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: you can match those out in the woods. But I

673
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: think having a cou mew, a calf call, location bogle,

674
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: and the challenge bugle, you're going to be ninety nine

675
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: percent of the way there this fall. So get practicing.

676
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: We got a month and those are really the only

677
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: calls I need to use, you know, every fall. How

678
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: do I change my calling strategies based at where we

679
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: are at in the rut. So being a guy that

680
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: goes out and likes the target herd bulls, I feel

681
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: early in the rut, you know, August twenty fifth to

682
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: September second or third, I may be more heavy on

683
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: the cow calls. Those herd bulls, they're checking on cows,

684
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: kind of seeing what's around. They let the satellite bulls

685
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: actually put the herds together and for the most part,

686
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: and so you start to see a progression of size

687
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: of bowls with that herd. You might go through a

688
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: phase where there's what we would call a raghorn and

689
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the satellite bowl shows up,

690
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, mature satellite bowl, and then the herd bowl

691
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: will finally show up and take over that herd. So

692
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: these bulls during that pre rut time are running around

693
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: checking on cows, trying to figure out if any of

694
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: them are ready to come into estrus. So in that time,

695
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: I feel like bugling isn't necessarily going to be as effective. Now.

696
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: It can work, and it has worked, but I rely

697
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more heavily on my cow calling. You know,

698
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: if I've got a tag that starts early, same thing

699
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: with late. If I'm August first to August fifth, excuse me,

700
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: October first to October fifteenth, kind of the tail end

701
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: of the rut, and a lot of areas I will

702
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: can go back to a little bit more cal calling. Now,

703
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: I will locate more with a bugle in the post

704
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: raft than I will in the preret because those bowls

705
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: are still a little more active. They'll they'll typically give

706
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: you a response. And then in the middle, you know,

707
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: September fifth through the September thirtieth, like everything's on the table.

708
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: I feel at that point cow calls bugles. Whatever system

709
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: I need to run, I'm able to. Now here's where

710
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: we get into the vocabulary. We talk about telling the story,

711
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: which we all can agree you can't tell a story

712
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: with out of vocabulary, but telling a story with your calls.

713
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: This is where you play a temperature and I will

714
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: create scenarios, my herd bowl scenario. If I can get

715
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: with one hundred yards, I'll typically do a couple of

716
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: cawmeos or a little bit longer drawn out cameos, and

717
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: then I'll challenge biegle right on top. So I'm painting

718
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: the picture that one of your cows got a little

719
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: bit far away when she was feeding, or she bedded

720
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: a little bit far away, and there's a bull a

721
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: herd bowl right on top of her, ready to take

722
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: care of her. That is what I feel by painting

723
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: that picture. Uh, you know the the bob ross of

724
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: elk calling. I've painted a picture that says, hey, you're

725
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: gonna lose your cow or I'm gonna breed her over here,

726
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to elicit that response from him.

727
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm calling I And this is where

728
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: people may think I'm crazy, Like I I get pretty

729
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: into it, like what if I'm an elk making this

730
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: elk call right here? Like what am I doing? Why

731
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: am I right here? So if I'm a hot cow

732
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: ready to be bred, whether it's a satellite bowl coming in,

733
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to do. Like why would it

734
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: would a cow come to him? Would a cow be

735
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: comfortable here? Like do I've got the ability to move,

736
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred yards towards him, which I may

737
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: want to use up during this call in? Like what

738
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: would a hot cow ready to be bred sound like?

739
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: Would should be more urgent? Would she be more frantic?

740
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: You know, I don't call like a small bull of

741
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: because I feel like even the smallest bulls out there

742
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: once they can, you know, muster up a bugle aside

743
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: from a spike, Like I'm never calling as big as

744
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: some of these smaller bowls, but you know, you could

745
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: be a small bowl challenging a bigger one. You know,

746
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: are you am I going in there like, hey, this

747
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: is a big satellite bowl, you know? Or's this a

748
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: big satellite bowl that has maybe just a couple of cows.

749
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I might go in like a little bowl, just like, hey,

750
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to check things out. You know, it

751
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: can not elicit a response, and then in that telling

752
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: the story we need to add realism. So I I

753
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: am a huge proponent you know I sell calls. I

754
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: don't sell sticks, so but you need to use a

755
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: stick while you're out there all cutting create natural sounds.

756
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: You're breaking branches, you're raking trees. If I'm by water,

757
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: I might splash water. You know, we've all we've all

758
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: seen the elk run out into a wallow or a

759
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: pond and splash around or when they when they get

760
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: to it, like just create natural, realistic sounds. So we're

761
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: telling the story and we're adding realism to these calls.

762
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: And also in adding realism, I take it is what

763
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: the woods are doing at that point is real per cliche,

764
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: easy to say, you know, Captain obvious, whatever you want

765
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: to call me. But let's say there's a herd across

766
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: the canyon and the cows are all mewing, and the

767
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: bull's bugle and following them. In that case, adding realism,

768
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: I can also start to throw in a lot of

769
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: different cal calls, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can

770
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: just throw all these different cal calls because that's what's

771
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: happening on a landscape. And then a bull can bugle.

772
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: Now you may not be in a spot to call

773
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: him in right there, but let's say it takes you

774
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes to move I wouldn't hesitate to

775
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: then still be that hurt of elk. When I move in,

776
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: You're just adding realism, and you may buying yourself time

777
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: to get a little bit closer to that bowl. But

778
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: in the meantime you can have a buddy stay back

779
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: and add that realism. So I just don't want to

780
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: be the odd one out on the landscape in my

781
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: elk calling, Like why is there a elk you know,

782
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: quote unquote, Why am I up at the top of

783
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: this ridge hammering out bugles when none of these other

784
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: ridges around me have the same thing going on. Now

785
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: I may go up there and beigle wants see if

786
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: I get a response, no response, move on, try a

787
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: different tactic, but be realistic and fit into the landscape

788
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: with with your calls is huge, And then I'm gonna

789
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: close this whole thing up with you know, kind of

790
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: piggybacks on vocabulary, kind of piggybacks on how I call.

791
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: I then need to read the response, and this is

792
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: where I think the magic happens in elk calling. You

793
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: need to pay attention to how the bull's answering, where

794
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: the bull's moving as you're trying to call to him,

795
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: where do they want to go? If you can read

796
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: the responses to how they respond, where they're responding from

797
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: the intensity and how they respond, Are there any other

798
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: elk in the group responding, You're gonna be way better off,

799
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: you know? Is he bugling back immediately after my call?

800
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: Is he waiting a minute? Does he really seem to

801
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: need five minutes between beagles? Can I turn the temperature

802
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: up on him? Or is he cutting me off? Like? Then,

803
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: now I know I'm dealing with the bull that's very aggressive.

804
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm very frustrated to even hear my bugle. This is

805
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: what's going to establish that mood and help you decide

806
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: your next move and and reading, like reading the response,

807
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: how I should respond. If I'm moving in to get

808
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: set up on a bowl and he's hammered off bugles

809
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: the entire time, I'm going to assume that ball is

810
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: pretty active and I can go right to it. Now,

811
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: let's say I've heard a bowl bugle once or twice,

812
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: I think I know where they're at, and I'm moving

813
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: in and he doesn't bugle the whole entire time. I

814
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: always kind of feel like I've got a bull that's

815
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: not really fired up. I may go in and use

816
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, cow calls and start does he answer that?

817
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: And then I might have to turn the intensity up

818
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: to to you know, some chuckles, and then I may

819
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: end up having to rake a tree. And then I

820
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: may go to a challenge bugle like what does it

821
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: take to get this bull to go? And I'm reading

822
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: those responses every time, I'm trying to read the response

823
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 1: like is he moving farther away? So by by doing

824
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: all of that, by reading a response, I think is

825
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: the magic in that. And you're trying to read that

826
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: demeanor of that bowl he responds, how he reacts, and

827
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: you're making your best judgment on how to continue. But no,

828
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: elks is right around the corner. I'm excited. It's my

829
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: favorite time of the year. You know, bulls are gonna

830
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: start biggling here. We're we're shoot, we're probably twenty days away.

831
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: We'll start hearing bulls. Biegeler around here and falls quickly approaching.

832
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: But don't get so hung up on being the best caller.

833
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: Don't get hung up on half of to know what

834
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: the elks say, know the what and why of elk calls,

835
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: know how to add realism, tell a story with your calls,

836
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: be able to read the response and then be confident

837
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: enough in those four or five sounds like helm you

838
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: the calf, call, the location bugle, the challenge bugle, and

839
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be real. You know you're gonna

840
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: be real well off out there in the fall this year. Kat,

841
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: thank you all enough, thanks for tuning into cutting the distance,

842
00:43:51,600 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: and good luck to all yelk hunters out there this fall.