1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: It was like this game. This is the Seal brand 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: from y'all hour out heaving with me. Feel want to 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: ask you a question. Let's just keep a real straight 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: shot or no, Jason, I'm gonna get a little bit 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: roughly rough just you want even widow suns and not. 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm here for those who really believed in the American process, 7 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: all of us. You feel straight Shot No Chaser with 8 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: your girls. Tesla figure O on the Black Effect Podcast 9 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: Network network. What's having a straight Shooters? This is Tesla 10 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: and figure Out, host of Straight Shot No Chaser. I 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: am so proud to be a part of the Black 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: Effect Podcast Network because we are actually a network of 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: black podcasters that collaborate and network with each other because 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: we believe in the importance of building the black community, 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: and we are grateful for each and every listener because 16 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: without you, this would not be possible. With that said, 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: let me introduce you to the beautiful and talented host 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: of Holding Court, Ebony Kay Williams. I am so proud 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: of her and how she utilizes her brilliant legal mind 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: to benefit black people. So I wanted to share the 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: love and most importantly, share the knowledge and also be 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: sure to check me out as a guest on her show. 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: You know, like I always say, allies are good, but 24 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: frontline soldiers are better. So, without further ado, enjoyed this 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: episode from my fellow frontline soldier, Holding Court with Ebaney K. Williams. 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm Ebanie K Williams, your attorney at law and your host. 27 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Holding Court, where y'all know what we do. 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: We analyze the very latest and legal headlines that everybody 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: is already talking about. We dig into how the courts 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: impact the culture. We break it down for you straight 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: from Gavel to your news feeds. And this I promise y'all, 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: each and every week they're gonna keep it one right, 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: destining wrongs. That's right, especially in Christmas time every year. 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: Happy holiday, okay, Dustin. I mean, I don't even really 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: know the exact word to describe this. Uh, this particular year, 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: ship show comes top of mind, but I do wanna 37 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: make space for the fact that has also offered a 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: lot of blessing and opportunity. Right, So it's been a 39 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: really interesting Petri dish. I think of the the the 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: the kind of quintessential highs and lows of the human experience. 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: Does that sound does that find itself kind of correct? 42 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: It definitely resonates with me because this has been a 43 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: year of extreme highs and extreme lows, and it's also 44 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: been a very telling year. It really gave us an 45 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to prove ourselves as professionals and our field, prove 46 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: ourselves as just resilient people in this world. Um so 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: it's been a hell of a year, to say the least, 48 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: a hell of a year. I like, that was a 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: hell of a year. And just to run down some 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: of the big kind of key event it is mind 51 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: blowing to just look at it and right right and 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: they're crazy soul. Let's just go through some of this here. 53 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: Starting off, of course, I remember exactly when and where 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: I heard the news. I could not believe it, like 55 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: so many others, Kobe Bryant uh and his beloved daughter 56 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: Gianna killed in that horrific helicopter accident. Yeah, and that 57 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: was pretty much how the year started off in terms 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: of being you know, newsworthy events. So that was in January. 59 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Then I saw in January Trump gets impeached, uh that 60 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: he was absolutely impeached, and uh then in February he 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: was eventually Trump we know was acquitted of it that 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: but he was impeached. Um, that ain't nothing he can 63 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: do about it. Then you are all You are forever 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: stained in the midst in the American record. If he did, 65 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: you call him tainted, Dustin, tainted, painted Trump is tainted 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: now And after the killing of Ahmud Arebury, February also 67 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: uh saw the indictment of Juicy Smalllett also known as 68 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: Jessie Um And that was just the legal case. I 69 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: have to say, Dustin, they kept on giving. I mean, 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been talking about Juicy small Lette 71 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: for two years because there's just always another layer. Uh So, 72 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: then in February of this year, he was indicted from 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: additional charges legally. We also saw Harvey Weinstein, who was 74 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: found guilty um of rape among other charges, and who 75 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: is currently as we speak, still serving his prison sentence 76 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: and literally riding inside. You have you seen him lately? 77 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: He literally looks rotten. But because he is, you know, 78 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: they say, what's inside is always gonna come out. Yeah, 79 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: You're rottenness is shaman Harvey. Fast forward now to March 80 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: the tragic killing I believe what was a murder of 81 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor. Uh, this woman who was an m t U, 82 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: a devoted community member, shot and killed in her own home. Unbelievable. Unbelievable, 83 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: can be safe in your own damn houseeable? Um? And 84 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: of course a lot more have developed in her case, 85 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to which we will cover. Also, March 86 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: was really the beginning of when we started hearing about COVID, right, 87 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: and it was coronavirus and could black people get it? 88 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Remember that ship, um and all of that craziness. And 89 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: then I know that here in New York and other places, 90 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: that staying home order started to roll in and it 91 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: felt so nuts. And I'll be the first to admit 92 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Dustin when they started saying, uh, stay at home and 93 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: shutting down restaurants, I was just like, really, really, and 94 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: here we are. You know, some three hundred thousand uh 95 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: deaths in America alone later from coronavirus. It's very serious. 96 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: It became very real for all of us at that point. 97 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: When she started seeing people actually lose their life, lose 98 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: family and evers from this ship, it became real. And 99 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: so I'm with you, Ebony. I was like, well, why 100 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: do we have to stop living essentially to stop this 101 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: virus from spreading? But we learned very quickly just how 102 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: real it was. So and I mean not for nothing, Dustin. 103 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: I think we we know that the culture really started 104 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: taking the ship serious and the NBA show down, right, 105 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that was it. I mean, I mean, it's 106 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny, but that's when we were like, oh, ship, 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: y'all literally are suspending the entire NBA season. Oh, I 108 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: guess it's real. And that's that's just what it was. 109 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: Electronic fans in the audience and digital fans in the audience. 110 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: Everything is just completely different than what we knew to 111 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: be normal, indeed insane. One of the good fantastic things 112 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: that COVID did bring us well, of course these amazing 113 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: Versus battles right and um after sad. You know, I 114 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: did enjoy the recent one with E forty and um 115 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: too short, short Brother, too Short. I love that Bay 116 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: Area thing. But but for me, I really love the 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: original format of Versus when it was just iPhones, everybody's 118 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: in their own crib on lockdown and not all the 119 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: technical production. Right. Well, what it did was it brought 120 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: it really made us realize that we all were experiencing 121 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: this pandemic and this this chrome quarantine together. Everyone was 122 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: doing it. The celebrities were at home on their phones 123 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: communicating just like we were. Everybody struggling. Uh, Teddy Riley, 124 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 1: you know, Teddy Riley trying to do too much, because 125 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: that's the whole another episode for him. We love Teddy, 126 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: but that was hilarious. Um, but because it was Yeah, 127 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: it was Teddy and baby Face that took them free tries, 128 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: We tries. But listen, I was here for all three, 129 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: so me too. Then, of course, in May, and this 130 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: is really Dustin where the racial reckoning and revolution of 131 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: begin in full form. We already mentioned brother in mad 132 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Oreberry and sister Brianna Taylor being killed in February and March, respectively, 133 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: But in May, the entire world saw George Floyd murdered 134 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: on video when a police officer by the name of 135 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: Derek Chauvin, a murderer, use his me to to to 136 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: sit on this man's neck and snuff the life out 137 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: of him for an entire eight minutes and forty six seconds, 138 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: and it really changed things. And I have to say, Dustin, 139 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: at first, I was a bit I guess what's the 140 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: word m skeptical, right, because it's like ship We've been 141 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: seeing black men and women killed on video for well 142 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: over twenty thirty years, so why is this so different? 143 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: And what a lot of white people said to me 144 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: was that this was different because there was literally no 145 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: argument to be made. Now, this is controversial, but they 146 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: were like, sometimes, when we've seen other black men and 147 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: women killed on on film by cops, Well, had they 148 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: complied or you know what about is m ship starts right? Well, 149 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: what kind of person were they? Well, well, there was 150 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: no fucking Well with George Floyd. It was blatant, blatant. 151 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: This man was no threat. He had already been cuffed, 152 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: put in the backseat of a police car. They took 153 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: him out, they dragged him on the sidewalk. This man 154 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: was a complete docile because he was in a completely 155 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: docile position, and Derek Chauvin chose to take his life anyway. 156 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: That changed things. And another reason that that was such 157 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: a it just resonated all across the world to anyone 158 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: who saw it, was because people were at home, so 159 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: we weren't distracted with the everyday anxieties of life and 160 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: the responsibilities that we have. We actually had a chance 161 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: to sit down and really focus on what we were 162 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: looking at and it sparked outrage all over the world. 163 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: So all over the world. Yeah, I mean people couldn't 164 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: look away. And the reality is dustin when it come 165 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: to issues of race and discrimination and white supremacy. Sad 166 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: but true. If people can look away times even else, 167 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: they will. They will if it doesn't affect people. Sometimes 168 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: they may even have a feeling of it being unfair 169 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: treatment or they may understand it to be such, but 170 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: because it doesn't affect them personally, they just continue moving 171 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: with their lives, and so there's action taken. But this 172 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: was a little bit different for Brother Floyd's case indeed, 173 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: And like you said, it was global. I mean we 174 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: saw protests from South Africa to um France to the UTH. 175 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: Everybody was protesting. Romney had his ass out there. Did 176 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: you see the Wickens they were protesting to everybody, Mormons, 177 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: the Mormons, everything who ain't even got the internet they 178 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: going on. They got that, you know, they got um 179 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: Morse code or some ship let her know what was 180 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: going on. And yeah, and it was it was something 181 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: that the world couldn't look away from it. I think 182 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: even to this day, right we're still feeling residual positive 183 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: impact of that moment um in terms of yeah attention. 184 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: In June, Rayciard Brooks another tragic um police brutality situation. 185 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: Just fucking terrible. This won't stop now. This is interesting. 186 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: Also in June, NASCAR. Now, you know, I grew up 187 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: in Charlotte, North Carolina, which is one of the home 188 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: bases of NASCAR, and I I you know, I served 189 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: a full year as a Hooters girl at the NASCAR Hooters, 190 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: and I can't tell you listen. First of all, those 191 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: chicken wings and those tips were very good. Hey, I'm 192 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: just gonna tell you listen. So whenever you want to 193 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: go for to reminisce and you know I really do 194 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: enjoy that, I'm gonna text you this. This, this hilarious 195 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: picture back up when I was earning my tips at Hooters. Okay, 196 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: gonna blow your mind. Don't don't laugh at my highlights. 197 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: They were from a box, you know, they were from 198 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: a box that Africa Pride highlighting kids. Um, but interesting 199 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: in love, if you've been to any NASCAR events or races, 200 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: Confederate flags are like, you see literally more Confederate flags 201 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: at a NASCAR event than you do American flag. That's 202 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: just the reality right. So interestingly enough, clearly on the 203 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: heels of the revolution caused by the killing of George Floyd, 204 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: NASCAR bands displays of the Confederate flag shocking. So also, uh, 205 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: the NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace became like an icon right 206 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: of NASCAR finally trying to move into the twenty one 207 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: century and and and rid itself of some of the 208 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: shameful racial prejudices that it is upheld for years. Um. 209 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: So that was an interesting moment with NASCAR. Then you 210 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: had Mississippi, a state that I have argued in front 211 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: of the courts, and the Mississippi state flag had a 212 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: very clear emblem of the Confederate Flag as a part 213 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: of the state flag, Like it just was there. And 214 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, Dustin, that was something that 215 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: when I was in law school, when I was on 216 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: the National MOO court team, that's just a very light 217 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: grade flex um. And we won. I had to do 218 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: so in a courtroom to have that Confederate flag staring 219 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: me right in the face. So for people that think 220 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: these flags or these statues of Confederate white supremacy don't 221 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: mean anything or don't affect they do, you know, it's 222 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm already the only black woman in the courtroom. I'm 223 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: already arguing against you know, uh to a judge panel 224 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: of three old ass white people. And then I literally 225 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: am staring at the Confederate flag out of the peripheral 226 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: of my vision. It's not a good feeling and it's 227 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: not a good look. So very happy that Mississippi has 228 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: finally removed that symbol of hate from its regalia. Um 229 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: Supreme Court uphols l g B t Q protections under 230 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Act, specifically against discrimination in the workplace, 231 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: and that was very, very important, So a lot And 232 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: now we're just in the summer, by the way, we 233 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: only we were only halfway through the year. Through the year, okay, 234 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: July heartbreak, the great John Lewis pass us away. Uh, 235 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: this brother who we all know iconically bloodied and beaten 236 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: on the Selma Bridge, for us to have rights of 237 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: equality and and and just progress. Good trouble, great trouble, 238 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: and um we all mourned to connect a collective world 239 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: more in the John Lewis who lost NBA resumes, but 240 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: they do so in this bubble. So, like we said earlier, 241 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: for a lot of us, we didn't even take coronavirus. 242 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: None of this ship serious. And tell the NBA said 243 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: they were suspending. Wait a damn minute, hold up, now, 244 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: hold up now. Um, so the NBA does resume, much 245 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: to many of our delights, but they do so in 246 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: this bubble. And I have to say now that you 247 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: know the season has included the NBA. Really they did 248 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: the damn thing. That bubble was airtight. They I don't 249 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: think hardly had any cases of coronavirus permeated. And you know, 250 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: they really showed what it could look like when necessary 251 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: to continue one of America and the world's favorite pastimes, 252 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: which is professional basketball. To shout out to the n 253 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: B A Olympics. Of course, we didn't have postponed until 254 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: and then This was also, I know very much so 255 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: directly related to the killing of George Floyd and the 256 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: racial revolution that that has since ensued. The Washington football team, Okay, 257 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: we're not gonna say the raggedy ship that they allowed 258 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: themselves to be called for many many years. I stopped 259 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: saying it years ago because I'm you know, I'm a 260 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: big NFL fan or whatever, but you know, funck fuck 261 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: calling a team uh a name that so clearly and 262 00:15:54,160 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: aggressively derogatory, right, Um, an entire community of people, and 263 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: not just any people, the original habitat excuse me, the 264 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: original inhabitants of this very land in which we reside, 265 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: kidding me, And that was they've been uh asking the 266 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: team to change the name for such a long time now, 267 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't do it. They refused to even entertain 268 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: the conversation. And so, like you said, this was a 269 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: direct result of the uptick invisibility of Black Lives Matter 270 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: movement and just social justice issues in general due to 271 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: George Floyd. So yeah, yeah, and that part, you know, 272 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: thank god, you know that it's sad enough and tragic 273 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: enough that, you know, we lost George Floyd, his family, 274 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: his daughter, his all of that. But um, to see 275 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: that something good is coming out of it, um is 276 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: a good thing. So yes, they are now called the 277 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: Washington Football Team. August more heartbreak in many ways are 278 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: King Chadwick Boseman. And it was really shocking, right Dustin 279 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: if you were member, because we no one knew he 280 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: was sick. Brother was so young and just gone, you know, 281 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: And I think it was again another in the wake 282 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: of this pandemic. Um, it's another reminder of how precious 283 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: life is and and and what I so deeply respect 284 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: about Chadwick. And you know, many many of us watched 285 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: over the weekend, uh my Rainy's black bottom. You know 286 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: that this brother worked until his last day straight through 287 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: a cancer diagnosis and treatment, which all of us, I'm 288 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: sure have relatives or loved ones that have experienced that 289 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: same situation. And so to see his resilience, to see 290 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: him fighting through that and working and not just existing 291 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: but turning into another person who's not sick, if you know, 292 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: as so far as his craft is concerned, it was 293 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: just it's a lot, and it's a lot. And I 294 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: just seen The Five Bloods, which is an excellent spake 295 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: we film. If you've not seen it, check it out 296 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: on Netflix. Right before the announcement, um, the chat had 297 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: passed away. That brother is just brilliant and we were 298 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: blessed to have him for the time that we did. 299 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: Also in August, Jacob Blake, another brother, shot by the 300 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: cops in the back, uh, paralyzed and still recovering as 301 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: we speak. We're gonna follow that case two on Holding Court. 302 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: In one. We also saw in September the passing of 303 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: the iconic Ruth Bede Ginsberg, uh second woman to ever 304 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: sit on the Supreme Court, and just a beacon for 305 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: rights and equality for all, for women, for black folks, 306 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: for l g B t Q community members, for the handicapped. 307 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if you were a marginalized person and discriminated 308 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: and discriminated against, Ruth Betta Ginsburg made life a little 309 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: bit better for you. Unfortunately, October also saw the confirmation 310 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: of Amy Coney Barrett. Every time I think about that, 311 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: I just get mad and want to cuss. I mean, 312 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: you should anybody. Uh. Lots of folks from the Trump administration, 313 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: including Trump himself, all tested positive for COVID and our 314 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: otober um and and A shining bright spot in the 315 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: month of October, of course, was the debut of with 316 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: Ebdie Kay Williams. And I just had such a blast 317 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: doing this with you, my dear friend. I love it, 318 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: so thankful for this opportunity, love it, love you. Could 319 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: go on for a whole episode, but we got to 320 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: keep this thing moving. Yeah, we're almost at the end here, 321 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: November another you know, maybe we started to shoot off 322 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: now that I'm looking at it, in order started the 323 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: good news for I've got that good. Yeah, And then 324 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: we got some more where former Vice President Joe Biden 325 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: became president elect Joe Biden along with Kamala Harris as 326 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: his vice presidential uh partner and my damn VP and 327 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: also m v P can't wait to see it, so 328 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: happy it happened. We had to wait on that victory 329 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: and it was well worth the weight, well worth the weight, 330 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: so very happy about that. Absolutely. And then this month, 331 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: of course, we're in now Decem bur as we conclude 332 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: this hell of a year, as you coined it so appropriately, 333 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: we are finally seeing the first of the COVID vaccines 334 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: being distributed, um as they should, first to healthcare workers 335 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: and physicians and nurses and all of those that are 336 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: in contact and who risked their very lives to this disease. Uh. 337 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: And next up, you know will likely be frontline workers 338 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: and the elderly community. So and and good for that. 339 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: In COVID, I mean it is just really you know, 340 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: I recover from a mild, moderate case earlier this year, 341 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: thank god, but it's nothing to play with, and so 342 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: many people didn't recover dustin and I know it, I mean, uh, 343 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: in the US alone, I'm one of eighteen million people 344 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: that contracted COVID, and of those eighteen million, over three 345 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen thousand did not make it, did not 346 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: make it died as a result of COVID nineteen. Globally, 347 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: seventy six million people across the world have contracted COVID 348 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: at this At this point, two million passed away unbelievable 349 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: complications of COVID nineteen. It's real, y'all. Gives you chiose 350 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: to think about it. If you're concerned about the vaccine, UH, 351 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: please check out the last episode of the season. For 352 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: Revolte Black News, I interviewed two esteemed black physicians, one woman, 353 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: one man, and the woman who I mean, she's just 354 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: absolutely a hero. She participated in the Maderna trial because 355 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: her own father UH died of COVID nineteen earlier this year, 356 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: and so she wanted to really be able to attest 357 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: to the power of the vaccine. And she speaks nothing 358 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: but praise of the vaccine. I asked her and the 359 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: black Mail doctor flat out yes or fucking no, Black 360 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: people safe to take this vaccine, and they both overwhelmingly 361 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: affirmed the safety for us. Specifically, I can't wait to 362 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: pull my sleeve up. Give me the vaccine. I'm sick. 363 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: This ain't living and i am sick of it. I'm 364 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: ready to see my family without risk getting their health. 365 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: Give me the shot, and I'm over here trying to 366 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: see who got it, because you know us know somebody 367 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: got that hook up. That's the real plug. Now, if 368 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: you got to look up on the vaccines, you really plug. 369 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: That's the plug of the year, right um. Listen, indeed, 370 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: so listen, We're gonna take a quick break, and then 371 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: when we come back, of course, we're gonna get into 372 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: this week's docket. We're gonna talk about, uh, some really 373 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: disturbing news concerning the late Great Kobe Bryant and what 374 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: Vanessa Briant is facing via lawsuit from her own damn mama. 375 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: So stay with us, Welcome back to Holding Court, y'all. So, 376 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant passing at the top of the year, you know, 377 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: really let us know what kind of year twenty was 378 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: about to be, right, And to further, let us know 379 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: a hell of a year. Kobe's widow, Vanessa Bryant, she 380 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: can't even finish the complete year morning her husband without 381 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: her damn mama suing her for I mean right, it's 382 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: already I'm holding back on holding court today because I 383 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: got some choice words for her mama, tam being okay, 384 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: her mama doing too damn much. Her mother is literally 385 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: suing Vanessa trying to get five million dollars allegedly a 386 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: house and a Mercedes suv damn mama specific with it too, 387 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: She like, don't give me, you know, it's ridiculous. Why 388 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: is she suing Vanessa Bryant? Um unbelievable. She is claiming 389 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: that Kobe Bryant, prior to his passing, promised her that 390 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: he would take care of her for the rest of 391 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: her life, and in the lawsuit, she is specifically claiming 392 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: that she was a nanny and worked as an unpaid 393 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: assistant to Kobe and Vanessa for um, you know, many 394 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: many years. Vanessa on Instagram totally disputes this. Vanessa says, 395 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of bullshit. Vanessa's says it is she 396 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: has been to stay at home mother her entire you know, 397 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: the entirety of her children's life, and that her and 398 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: her late husband Kobe were their primary caretakers and all 399 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: her mama did was just like any other grandma would do. 400 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: Occasionally babysit your own damn grandkids. Um. And as far 401 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: as being an assistant that was unpaid and working eighteen 402 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: hour days, Vanessa calls complete bullshit on that, uh and 403 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: says nothing of the sort ever transpired. And I do too. 404 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: This shows you how money can change things, sometimes for 405 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: the worst. And I just have nothing nice to say 406 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: about Vanessa Bryant's mother. I'm gonna tell you what's what's 407 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: going on with her mama, because we've seen this and 408 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: other family dynamics, and we've always heard I've always I 409 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: don't know about you, Dustin, but I've always heard that 410 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: the relationship between Vanessa and her mother in particular was 411 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: extremely fucked up. Yeah, it was very contentious because obviously, 412 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: don't think she's gonna get anything out of this lawsuit 413 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: is figured don't either. She's throwing at the wall to 414 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: see if it sticks. But you're willing to risk just 415 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: severing the relationships with your living grandchildren that are left. 416 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: You know your daughter are there. Here's the other thing. 417 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: Let's just for the um sake of of Devil's Advocacy 418 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: say Vanessa's mom was working and said nanny an assistant 419 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: for all those years with no guess what. From a 420 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: legal standpoint, whatever contractual terms, whatever rate you felt you 421 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: should have been paid as both a nanny and business 422 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: associate or assistant had to should have been pre established. 423 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: You should have had Kobe when he was alive and 424 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: Vanessa in tur into an agreement with you that says, mom, 425 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna have you work as a as a nanny 426 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: and assistant to our things. We're gonna pay you said whatever, 427 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: fifty five hundred an hour, whatever it is. So this 428 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: is a lesson for anybody listening. Dustin. If you think 429 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: you're in a quote unspoken agreement or some bullshit studios 430 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: a favor, speak up, get it on the four corners 431 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: of the document. It's extremely difficult to try to collect 432 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: on oral contracts sularly handshake business. Not impossible, but very difficult, 433 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: especially when said person that executed the verbal agreement it's deceased. 434 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: Come on now, O can't, like I said, after watching 435 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: your daughter experience a loss, a tragic loss, the way 436 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: Vanessa did. There's just the fact that her mother is 437 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: even willing to get all of this started is just 438 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: beyond me. Next on the docket, we are going to 439 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: dig in deep to the latest legal news concerning Michael Jackson. 440 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: His estate was victorious just this week in a lawsuit 441 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: against the documentary Remember Leaving Neverland that was on HBO. 442 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's estate sued HBO got here the quick facts. 443 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: HBO premiered a documentary called Leaving Neverland actually was two parts. 444 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: I did not watch it. Did you watch it? And 445 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: I have definite reasons for choosing not to watch it, 446 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: Okay for depending that, Yeah, but depend on it. We're 447 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: gonna talk about it. Uh that debut this excuse me 448 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: last March March of twenty nineteen. Now, the documentary tells 449 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: a very complicated and depending on who you ask, conflicting 450 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: story from two men who have allegations that they were 451 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: molested by Michael as children. Of course, the documentary is 452 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: called Neverland, Uh, Leaving Neverland because that was the name 453 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: of Michael's home, the Neverland Ranch. Bla blah blah blah blah. 454 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: We all know the story. Okay, fast forward the estate. 455 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's estate sued because and I did watch this, 456 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: and if you haven't seen it, you're missing a pure 457 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: entertainment delight. Honey. Michael Jackson's dangerous tour in Budapest in 458 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: HBO aritant as a concert special. Honey, go on YouTube 459 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: and get your fucking life. I will. I actually can't 460 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: wait to do that. Michael here all that ship. Anyways, 461 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: I digress, um uh In that agreement Michael and his 462 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: company had with HBO, included in it was a non 463 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: disparaging clause. Very common. I've actually noticed this. I'm not 464 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: sure if you have, Dustin, but recently, all of the 465 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: deals I've been signing, they all include one, you know, 466 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: and on both sides, you know, to protect both parties. 467 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: So that in that cause Michael was not supposed to 468 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: ever disparage HBO, and in turn HBO was to never 469 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: disparage Michael Jackson. Makes sense, makes sense, very common. Well, 470 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: Michael's estate is claiming that some twenty seven years later, 471 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: because of the debut of this leaving Neverland ranch, which 472 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: clearly is uh, you know, very derogatory around and and 473 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: and and and same, right, is an effort to defame 474 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: the legacy of Michael Jackson, whether right or on that 475 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: part is true. Right, Yes, the Jackson's state is saying, 476 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: that's a breach of our agreement. That's a breach of contract. 477 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: That is a breach of the anti defamation clause that 478 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: HBO willingly agreed to in nine two when they wanted 479 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: to do business and get money with Michael Jackson. See 480 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: see what's happening here. Okay, So HBO says, well, no, 481 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: that was a long time ago. We feel like we 482 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: satisfy enough of that anti defamation uh agreement, and so 483 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: thus this lawsuit is frivolous and we don't want to 484 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: take it to arbitration because also also in that HBO 485 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson agreement was an agreement to have any dispute arbitrated. Okay, 486 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: another common legal clause. And most all contracts, most all contracts, 487 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, if if you end up in a lawsuit 488 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: with your age and your manager or network, that almost 489 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: all of them are gonna require before you go to litigation, 490 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: go to arbitration. Okay, HBO is trying to get out 491 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: of arbitration. Well, first the trial court said not on 492 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: my watch. And now the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, 493 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: which consists of three judges, unanimously all three of them 494 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: agreed not on their watch either, HBO. Yeah, HBO, Listen, 495 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: we're not saying that this lawsuit has merit. And I 496 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: want to be clear here, the court is not making 497 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: an assessment of the merit of h of the Jackson 498 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: families claim of HBO's breach of contract around the anti 499 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: defamation clause. They're not speaking to that. But what they 500 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: are speaking to is it might have some merit and 501 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: the arbitrator should be the decider of that. So take 502 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: your ask to arbitration. That's what the Ninth Circuit said. Yeah, 503 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: so we're gonna do occasionally on Holding Court. We're gonna 504 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: do a mail bag. I totally I would love that. 505 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: Let's do that. What else we're gonna do is we 506 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: gonna take another quick break. Okay, welcome back to Holding Court, 507 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: where we're gonna take questions from the culture and from 508 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: our listeners and from our jurors and give y'all a 509 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: little legal teeth as we say. Uh, And I just 510 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: wanna let y'all know. Of course, y'all know what we 511 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: do here on Holding Court. We keep it a buck, 512 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: we keep it a hundred. A lot of this is informational, 513 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: A lot of it's also fun. Right, We hope y'all 514 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: have it fun. So if you find yourself in similar 515 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: situations in real life to some of the things we 516 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: talk about here on Holding Court. Uh. This this podcast 517 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: great as it is, and we think it's fucking great. 518 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: It's not a substitute for an actual attorney, right, this 519 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: is this is not a substitute for you getting actual 520 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: legal advice and the jurisdiction in which you you reside. 521 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: I greatly encourage that A lot of the feedback that 522 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: we get complimenting the show and what we do on 523 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: the show is from other attorneys, which makes me and 524 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: Dustin really happy and pros. But make sure y'all you 525 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: avail yourself to actual legal counsel if you find yourself 526 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: in a legal predicament. Okay, UM, fantastic. So with that, 527 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna go to this mail back question. And I 528 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: texted this to you because I wanted you to sit 529 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: on it. Dust and I got from our friends over 530 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: at Hollywood Unlocked. It was a full screen question that 531 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: they asked about a week ago. And this is the question, 532 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: is it okay to date other people while you're still 533 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: married but separated from your partner. I'm gonna approach the 534 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: answer in two ways. The first is going to be 535 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: from a legal perspective, and then I'm going to speak 536 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: from personal experience. But before I get to that, before 537 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: Auntie speaks, Dosta, I just want to know your top 538 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: love of thoughts. What do you think when I say 539 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: to you, Dustin, is it okay to date other people 540 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: while you are married but separated from your partner? Uh? 541 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: Just speaking morally, okay, and my own personal moral code. 542 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: If I were separated and actively seeking a divorce, yes, 543 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: because I would be done with that situation, and so 544 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: I would be doing everything to legally sever myself from 545 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: any ties to that person, to my ex. So I 546 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: don't wrong with it, but I'm deathly interested to know 547 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: from a legal perspective what's okay and what's not what's not? 548 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: So that well, I ain't married, but if I got 549 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: married so that I could protect hopefully, just tell me 550 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: I love you that this is so good. This is 551 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: so good. Okay. So let me start with the legality, 552 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't even think that there's 553 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: a legal component to this question. They only see the 554 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: moral part. And before I went to law school and 555 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: took the bar exam action that that would have been 556 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: my thinking too. So here's a quick story y'all know, 557 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: I went to law school in New Orleans, shout out 558 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: to Loyola College of Law. But I took the bar 559 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: in North Carolina because after Hurricane Katrina, which happened during 560 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: my second year of law school, life in New Orleans 561 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: was just a lot yeah different, Yeah, So I decided 562 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: to go back to North Carolina. So I'm studying for 563 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: the bar exam and taking a barbary course and we 564 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: get to the family law section. Because on the bar 565 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: it's like nine segments or some ship. It's a long 566 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: time ago. I took this it back in two thousand 567 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: and seven. But you know, you have to get tested 568 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: and be competent in each section of law, and family 569 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: laws is one of them. So I'm studying North Carolina 570 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: family law and I find that there is this thing 571 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: a legal entity, um illegal rather not entity, a legal 572 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: concept known as alienation of affections alien nation of of affections. 573 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: So I'll get to this part in the bar review 574 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: justin and I'm like, I'm asking my my North Carolina 575 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: bread uh colleagues, what the hell is this? They said, 576 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: oh chow. I said, Actually, I was like, is this real? 577 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: They're like, girl, absolutely, it is let me tell you 578 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: what it is. Alienation of affections is a common law tort, 579 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: which is like a civil wrong. It's it's a civil lawsuit. 580 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm talking about where you can sue if you are 581 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: the spouse, right, you're married, you can sue the person 582 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: that your spouse is having relations with ship Okay, let 583 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: me yeah, and let me tell you the reasoning, okay, 584 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: because a lot of this comes from you know, a 585 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: place of you know, what's the rationale there? Right, It's 586 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: to say that if you can prove that your marriage 587 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: had some kind of love between the partners, that that 588 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: love was inflicted upon, uh impeded upon, affected by a 589 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: third party, and that that third party knew about or 590 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: otherwise was malicious and contributing the loss of the love 591 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: you had with your spouse, you can sue their asses. 592 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: And let me tell you where this is applicable, because 593 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: it's not everywhere anymore. It used to be widespread, of course. 594 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: If if this sounds an equated it maybe is. But 595 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: I'm personally but I'm here for it. If listen, you 596 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: can sue if you of in North Carolina, which is 597 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: where I told you I was practicing, Mississippi Hawaii, New Mexico, 598 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: South Dakota, or of course Utah. You know Utah. That list. Um, 599 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: you can fucking sue the third party in your marriage, 600 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: the person having a relationship or other um familiarity with 601 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: your spouse, for alienation of of affection. And here's the kicker, 602 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: Dustin Ross, sex not required. What yep? Let me tell 603 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: you this part. Now, this is wild right. I couldn't 604 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: believe it when I was standing for the bar and 605 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: found out. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. It is not 606 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: necessary to show that the defendants set out to destroy 607 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: the marriage, but only that he or she intentionally engaged 608 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: in acts that would foreseeably impact the marriage. Let me 609 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: talk about my personal anecdote as to why I do 610 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: not personally date separated men. I don't give a damn 611 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: how long you've been separated. I don't care where you 612 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: and your wife lives. She could live in a whole 613 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: another country. I've seen it. Um, I don't date separated people. 614 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: To me, Dustin Ross, there but two relationship status, married 615 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: and single. And if you're not married, you're single. And 616 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: that's it. So long ago, when little Ebony was a 617 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: law student, young, bright eyed bushy tailed naive. Um, I 618 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: fell in love with a classmate of mine and he 619 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: was going through a divorce. Now this was very salacious, 620 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: this um. This guy, who's a good guy still I 621 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: still do this day. I think he's a wonderful person. 622 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: Just who child, hot mess of a situation. He and 623 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: his then wife came to law school together. They were 624 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: a very cute couple, okay, and we everybody knew they 625 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: were married. And in law school, we're in sections, and 626 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: you spend all your time with your section. Your section 627 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: propably has a hundred other law students in it. So 628 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: this young man and his wife for a two separate sections. 629 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: He was in my section, which is why we became friends. 630 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: Dust and baby. This couple had just got married right 631 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: before law school, gone on a beautiful honeymoon que que 632 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: que que que Q. He bought her a car for 633 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: their wedding gift, which was cute, and they would ride 634 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 1: to school every day and say, a car together, cute child. 635 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: This woman starts having an affair with another guy in 636 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: her section. The whole law school knew about it. Why well, 637 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: because they made no bones about hiding it. At some point, 638 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: the woman was driving to school with the new man 639 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: in the car to husband bought kid you not. I 640 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: kid you not. It was terrible. We all felt so 641 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: bad for our section mate and really embraced him and 642 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: started going out with him and hanging out with him 643 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: because he was obviously this is embarrassing, this is depressing. 644 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: This is heartbreaking that your new wife launching her new relationship, 645 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: her affair in front of your face and the entire 646 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: school's face. It was a mess. It was like child raggedy. 647 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: So me and the guy, we had a really close 648 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: friendship and we were and he, you know, we would 649 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: study together and we were both you know, exceptional students. 650 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: So that worked out well. And next thing, you know, 651 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: you know, one thing leads to another and we fall 652 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: in love. And oh I skipped the part said woman 653 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: like three months into the marriage and three months into 654 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: her affair moved out. So they're no longer living together. 655 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: My classmate, he said, he went home one day it 656 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: was a you haul in front of his house. Okay, 657 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: sad piece. Fast forward, so now me and my classmate 658 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: are in love. We're happy. You know. I felt really 659 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: happy to be able to bring him some joy, and 660 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: he bought a lot of joy. In my life. And honey, 661 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: we dated for seven eight months. I mean, we completed 662 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: the year together. We both did great. We were, you know, 663 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: excited about our second year of law school. We were 664 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: looking at apartments to rent together literally because we were 665 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: gonna move in together. Like I just knew I was 666 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: gonna marry this guy. And you know he you know, 667 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: we talked not a lot about me till we were young, 668 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: but you know, just like a life together, you know, 669 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: very much, so going there. Literally we're looking, we're looking 670 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: at Lisa's together. We were all of this, all of this, 671 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: and then one day he stopped taking my calls. Okay, 672 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: you're not. I couldn't reach him for literally two weeks. 673 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: I was devastated. I was more heartbroken then than I've 674 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: ever been to this day, to this day. And I've 675 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: been divorced, you know. Uh, I recently went through some 676 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: things with my partner. You know more about that on 677 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York. But um, to this day, Dustin, 678 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm not even even suggercoating or I'm just putting it 679 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: out on the table. The most devastating heartbreak up ever 680 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: suffered in my thirties seven years was those two weeks 681 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 1: when this man that I just knew I was gonna 682 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: spend my life with would not even pick up my call. 683 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: And when I finally saw him again, it was two 684 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: weeks later. We were we'd resumed school. I was devastated, 685 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: but I had to go to class and I saw 686 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: this man hand in hand with his wedding band back 687 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: on with his wife. Damn, Ebony, I'm so sorry, I 688 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: get where Where is the motherfucker? Now? Listen? Listen, listen. 689 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: It all ended, Um, it all ended in a dramatic fashion, 690 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: because how the hell else could this crazy story is? Um. 691 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: They actually did end up eventually getting divorced, but it 692 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: was like three or four years later, um, and it 693 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,720 Speaker 1: was just a mess. The point of the story, Untie, 694 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: is telling y'all this crazy, heartbreaking and bear a thing 695 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: on some level story because I want you all to 696 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: know this, despite his intentions, and I do actually believe 697 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: his intentions were pure at the time, I really do. 698 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: I was in it, right, I'm not. I would I 699 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: would tell you if I thought he was all you know, 700 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: he might play No. I think at the time he 701 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: was really in it. But when you are married, there 702 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: is always the distinct possibility. In fact, now that I 703 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: have been married, I can speak to this better. Dustin. 704 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: When you are married, there is a presumption really of 705 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,959 Speaker 1: reconciliation until you are divorced. Because even when you're separated 706 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: and you think you're getting a divorce and you think 707 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: you're ready to move on, the kind of basic tenets 708 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: of marriage tell you that if there is any possible 709 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: way to save this union, you should. You should. You 710 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: should try, whether it's therapy, prayer, both, retreat, whatever is possible. 711 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: You know, the law tells us this. Most people's religious 712 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: beliefs tell us this. So I don't even thought him 713 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: after now you know, I was mad as hell and 714 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: all that ship. But but now that I've grown up, 715 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: I've been married myself. No, don't play with married people's marriage. 716 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: And you might not think you are right because this 717 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: person has come to you as a single individual. They're 718 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: saying I'm separated. They're saying I don't even live with 719 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: my wife. They're saying she live in Singapore. M Hm, 720 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: he's married. He's married. He may not think of himself 721 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: as married, he might not be caring himself as married. 722 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: He's fucking married, And tell him the divorce paper is filed, 723 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: the eight is dry, the judge has signed off, and 724 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: the file Clark has stamped that ship. He's married. He's married. 725 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 1: He's married, oh man, And so yeah, So that's that's 726 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: it for me, Dustin, and ever since then, even my 727 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: my my last serious relationship I was in, he was divorced. 728 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: I make no apologies when I tell. And he was 729 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: an attorney, and I was. I said, I'm actually gonna 730 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: go in and need to see the filing m And 731 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: I did, and he pulled it up for me, and 732 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: I said, and I've looked for certain things. Okay, what's yeah, 733 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: what's the date? What's five stamp? Don't play with me. 734 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: I personally, I'm not judging anyone who does, you know, 735 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: because I do. I agree with you, Dustin that if 736 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: someone is separated and purporting themselves to be so, I 737 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: don't think it's morally wrong to date them. But for me, 738 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: because of my experience dating a separated man and the 739 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 1: devastation I endured when he reconciled with his wife, as 740 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: as frankly he was supposed to do you know what 741 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, according to the are of the law, according 742 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 1: to moral code, I mean, unless it's like abuse or 743 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: something like that, which was right. It's infidelity, which sadly 744 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: happens if he if he saw a path to save 745 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: his Mary touch, what was that actually is what he 746 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: was supposed to do. I was a casualty and uh 747 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: and I learned from me what was a valuable lesson. 748 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree with you, then, Ebony, the paperwork 749 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: got to be dry otherwise I want no parts. I 750 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: don't want no parts. I'm not trying to get sued 751 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: in North Carolina or New Mexico. Yeah. For I love 752 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: it for alien a nobody's affli affection and also you know, 753 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,879 Speaker 1: in a more more you know, pragmatic level and personal level. 754 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: I don't want my heartbroken. Thank you for being so 755 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: candid and honest about this stuff, because people will be 756 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: able to pull those kind of gems from your stories 757 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,240 Speaker 1: personal stories and save themselves. So that's it for today's 758 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,959 Speaker 1: episode of Holding Court. Thank y'all so much, jurors for listening. 759 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: We really do love y'all. We appreciate when y'all comment 760 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 1: and life and give us recommendations. 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We come 768 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,800 Speaker 1: to you from Upity Productions and association with Darcy Media. 769 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: We're presented by the Black Effect Network from our heart 770 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: radio and audio services of course provided by one of 771 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: One Productions. Check them out at one of One Productions 772 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,440 Speaker 1: dot com. Y'all make sure you come back join us January. 773 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: Rechord's gonna be back in session. And in the meantime, 774 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: stay safe, keep your mask on, socially distance, enjoy some 775 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: holiday cheer, keep the faith and always do what ductor 776 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: Ross read those terms and conditions. Happy holiday. Jong The 777 00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: admitted a ship. This might be me finish get it. 778 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 1: I know you tease me. Got me for the leasy, 779 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: only for the easier seitching for the men, get the 780 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,799 Speaker 1: way be treat just why you and us? You've got 781 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: no venice leaving? Why you always leave? No? You want 782 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: everything You're at it. We got an e Maine. You 783 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: got your lamb about you now must the same abody 784 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: still have any They save us a despasal. Is it 785 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 1: better for me lefting all this side of my head? 786 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: You know when you're ready. I just want to know. 787 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: We used to treat that, We used to feel bad, 788 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: treat used to just hun We used to fruit truth 789 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: else for stretch Ti p.