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Speaker 1: one fifteen of Native Lampod, where we give you our
Speaker 1: take on all things political and sometimes a little cultural,
Speaker 1: where we tread into trouble. I'm your host for today,
Speaker 1: Andrew Gilliman. Of course, I'm joined by none other than,
Speaker 1: of course, the awesome Angela Rai, the self congratulatory Bacari
Speaker 1: sellers and joining us this week as a co host,
Speaker 1: a living legend. I don't know how he feels about
Speaker 1: that title. Host, entrepreneur, creator, journalist dumb An, the one
Speaker 1: and only. Can I call you Carlton? Welcome to the audience, y'all,
Speaker 1: welcome along with me, mister Don Lemon himself?
Speaker 2: What's up? Don much? Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to be on with you guys and see
Speaker 3: how how much trouble I get into.
Speaker 2: You know, well, you don't.
Speaker 1: Need no Don is your middle name, Carlton?
Speaker 3: No wondering why you were talking about that is not
Speaker 3: don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Speaker 2: What do I want people know? My middle name is Rinaldo.
Speaker 1: Now just from my face back home, So y'all, we're
Speaker 1: going to be getting into Don's story a little bit more,
Speaker 1: a couple of other reasons why he may be in
Speaker 1: the headlines. I don't know, possibly Nicki Minaj, maybe Ku
Speaker 1: Klux Klan act, I don't know. But we'll follow up
Speaker 1: with some questions that we know that you would ask
Speaker 1: if you were with Donna Day. Also today, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a little bit of a take on whether we
Speaker 1: think Congress is getting a little too old, or if
Speaker 1: it's just been old. Then whether or not, I don't know, is.
Speaker 4: It appropriate to protest in church.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that, but before we do, we want to,
Speaker 1: of course, I think, go through what has become a
Speaker 1: favorite with some of our supporters. Thanks to Angela for
Speaker 1: introducing this. It's called for your Situational Awareness FYSA. Because
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of I think news to get
Speaker 1: to and we want to do it quickly, So let's start.
Speaker 1: I want to just focus everybody back on what's probably
Speaker 1: at the top of the headlines and a lot of
Speaker 1: the cable news, and that's Davos. President Donald Trump was
Speaker 1: in Switzerland to talk to global economic leaders about everything
Speaker 1: economic in some political of course, and y'all, if you
Speaker 1: were looking for the worst reels for Trump as a
Speaker 1: representative of America, you need not go any further than
Speaker 1: right here. Let's roll the clip.
Speaker 5: We never asked for anything, and we never got anything.
Speaker 5: We probably won't get anything unless I decide to use
Speaker 5: excessive strength and force where we would be frankly unstoppable.
Speaker 4: But I won't do that.
Speaker 5: Okay, now everyone's saying, oh good, that's probably the biggest
Speaker 5: statement I made because people thought I would use force.
Speaker 5: I don't have to use force. I don't want to
Speaker 5: use force. I won't use force. All the United States
Speaker 5: is asking for is a place called Greenland, where we
Speaker 5: already had it as a trustee, but respectfully returned it
Speaker 5: back to Denmark not long ago after we defeated the Germans,
Speaker 5: the Japanese, the Italians and others in World War Two.
Speaker 5: We gave it back to them. We want it big
Speaker 5: Without us. Right now, you'd all be speaking German and
Speaker 5: little Japanese. Perhaps all we want from Denmark for national
Speaker 5: and international security and to keep our very energetic and
Speaker 5: day injurious potential enemies at bay, is this land on
Speaker 5: which we're going to build the greatest Golden dome ever built.
Speaker 5: We're building a golden dome that's going to just by
Speaker 5: its very nature, going to be defending Canada. Canada gets
Speaker 5: a lot of freevious from us. By the way, they
Speaker 5: should be grateful also, but they're not. I watched your
Speaker 5: Prime minister yesterday. He wasn't so grateful that they should
Speaker 5: be grateful to us. Canada lives because of the United States.
Speaker 5: Remember that mark the next time you make your statements.
Speaker 1: I hope you'll call that last piece where he says
Speaker 1: to Canada, remember you only exist because of us. Remember
Speaker 1: that mark referring to the Prime Minister of Canada.
Speaker 2: If it wasn't for to be speaking German.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that way, I'll give it to the foot,
Speaker 1: to the group down what you got.
Speaker 3: It's painful to watch him, I mean, how insulting for
Speaker 3: our allies to say, if it wasn't for us, you'd
Speaker 3: be speaking German and he's he's just ranting there. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: when is someone going to write a book on his
Speaker 3: cognitive decline because it's obvious that he's something is going
Speaker 3: on because he's just ranting and raving up there. And
Speaker 3: not only did he embarrass himself, but he embarrassed the
Speaker 3: United States. When I was watching that, it made me
Speaker 3: embarrassed to be a United States citizen. Or I shouldn't
Speaker 3: say it, shouldn't say to be a United States citizen.
Speaker 3: I should say for him to be our president. And
Speaker 3: so there are two things. Go ahead, No, they're two
Speaker 3: things to jump off the screen. Just for some context.
Speaker 6: You do know that the the primary language spoken in
Speaker 6: Switzerland is actually German, right, that's.
Speaker 2: First and second is the height of irony.
Speaker 6: The last time we actually purchased an island or piece
Speaker 6: of property from Denmark, does they might know what it was?
Speaker 2: Anybody? No? No, anybody?
Speaker 1: Oh it was an island.
Speaker 2: It's Epstein Island.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Seven in nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 6: The last the last piece of property we actually purchased
Speaker 6: from Dinm was little Saint James Island also known as
Speaker 6: Epstein Island today.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but Cary he also keeps coming up saying
Speaker 3: that we owned it or whatever. We never actually owned it.
Speaker 3: The United States offered to buy Greenland for like one
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars is back in nineteen forty six.
Speaker 2: But the Denmark said no.
Speaker 3: It was difficult to the Danish Kingdom and important to
Speaker 3: the history and national identity. We never really owned Greenland
Speaker 3: at all, so he's not just not really.
Speaker 1: But the part of getting Epstein's Island the rapist Island
Speaker 1: was in nineteen seventeen was the United States trading that
Speaker 1: island for official recognition from the United States government of
Speaker 1: the Danish territory at the time of Greenland. The worst part, y'all,
Speaker 1: I just I'm with you, don around the offensiveness of
Speaker 1: the comments related to World War Two. He talks about
Speaker 1: a great ocean between us. We didn't have to get involved,
Speaker 1: you know, we sort of did it for y'all, and
Speaker 1: we never get anything in return, and really diminishes the
Speaker 1: huge human toll and sacrifice that that took, not only
Speaker 1: on Europeans but also Americans, over four hundred thousand service members,
Speaker 1: men and women who gave their lives faithfully to protect
Speaker 1: the world the globe against these kind of totalitarian leaders
Speaker 1: with very very outdated ideas around who deserves to live,
Speaker 1: who doesn't, who's human, and who isn't. I just thought, overall,
Speaker 1: it was a horrible, horrible offense. Angela. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've got anything on this, because I want to
Speaker 1: make sure we talked to the rest of y'all on
Speaker 1: some of your.
Speaker 7: Age geography, because I know we've got to get through
Speaker 7: these clips quick stage geography. His bud was supposed to
Speaker 7: be sitting down for a fireside chat and instead he
Speaker 7: was at a rant at the podium. So that's the
Speaker 7: only stage geography I have. Y'all hit the rest of it.
Speaker 7: We can go to the name.
Speaker 3: No, you're right, because the interviewer was sitting to the
Speaker 3: side off the station, like, well, that's weird. Why are
Speaker 3: there two chairs a guy sitting in one and he's
Speaker 3: at the podium. But I mean, you're giving fun facts
Speaker 3: right about the last time we acquired land, Bacari do
Speaker 3: do you guys know why he really wants Greenland? It's
Speaker 3: not about security. You guys know why he wants to
Speaker 3: be why he wants.
Speaker 2: It right, tell me he wants to go to go Dome. No,
Speaker 2: he wants his face on Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3: And the folks who are on Mount Rushmore secured their
Speaker 3: legacy and their place, their status to be on Mount
Speaker 3: Rushmore is because they acquired more land and resources, strategic
Speaker 3: land and resources for the United States, and so will
Speaker 3: he wants his big orange face on Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: That is it.
Speaker 3: That's what they're not telling you. They're giving all these
Speaker 3: shiny objects we needed for security. We don't need it
Speaker 3: for security. We already have military assets there, and they
Speaker 3: said we can put as many there as we want
Speaker 3: want to. He wants to acquire more land and resources
Speaker 3: so he can be on Mountain rush More.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 6: One of the things you brought up was his mental acuity,
Speaker 6: and that's something that I've always been talking about, particularly
Speaker 6: with the light that was shown on Joe Biden and Andrew.
Speaker 6: One of the things that we recognized was that he
Speaker 6: was the oldest person to in the history of the
Speaker 6: United States of America ever run for president. And you know,
Speaker 6: there have been rumors about his health, but I think
Speaker 6: his cognitive decline it is quite evident. I want to
Speaker 6: play this clip that I dropped into the group chat
Speaker 6: the other day just so everybody can see what I'm
Speaker 6: talking about.
Speaker 2: And I hope people evaluate this.
Speaker 5: But when I learned her her parents and her father
Speaker 5: in particular, is like I hope he still is, but
Speaker 5: I don't know. Was a tremendous Trump fan. He was
Speaker 5: all for Trump, loved Trump, and uh, you know, it's terrible.
Speaker 5: I was told that by a lot of people. They said, Oh,
Speaker 5: he loves you. He he was, I hoped. I hope
Speaker 5: he still feels that way. Sorry, hard situation, But her
Speaker 5: father was a tremendous and parents were tremendous Trump fans.
Speaker 4: That's so said.
Speaker 5: Just happens.
Speaker 8: It's terrible, not supporters fans, by the way.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, so what we just watched.
Speaker 6: What we just watched was his interview about Renee Good
Speaker 6: after his ice shot her in the face.
Speaker 2: He was, you know, unkilled.
Speaker 6: The reason that I struggle with Donald Trump is because
Speaker 6: he has a heavy dose of narcissism mixed in with
Speaker 6: his psychopathy. And what I posted the other day, don
Speaker 6: and to the group, I mean, I wish that there
Speaker 6: was a New York Times, Wall Street Journal, whatever mainstream
Speaker 6: media source expos a maybe maybe we do it, or
Speaker 6: the Donal Limit Show, or somebody gets four or five
Speaker 6: psychiatrists and somebody tell me what the fuck is wrong
Speaker 6: with him.
Speaker 2: I want some clinicians.
Speaker 6: I want some clinicians to sit back and be able
Speaker 6: to because I don't feel right guessing about people's mental
Speaker 6: health and acuity. But somebody tell me what's wrong with
Speaker 6: him other than just being Oh.
Speaker 1: Well, old people who don't act like that.
Speaker 8: Correct.
Speaker 3: Correct, So we've all had old people in our family
Speaker 3: where we see the moment that you take the car
Speaker 3: keys right, let me they need a nurse.
Speaker 7: Speaking of taking the car keys, we just talked about
Speaker 7: his ice don there's a clip that you wanted to
Speaker 7: get to.
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to get to this clip, and that
Speaker 3: is in Minneapolis Saint Paul. The lies are breaking through
Speaker 3: with police officers and law enforcement in the area who
Speaker 3: are speaking out because and police chiefs because their off
Speaker 3: duty officers are being harassed and abused by these agents,
Speaker 3: these ICE agents and federal agents that are out in
Speaker 3: the streets play this.
Speaker 9: Recently, as the last two weeks, we as law enforcement
Speaker 9: community have been receiving endless complaints about civil rights violations
Speaker 9: in our streets from US citizens. What we're hearing is
Speaker 9: they're being stopped in traffic stops or on the street
Speaker 9: with no cause and being forced to demand paperwork to
Speaker 9: determine if they are here legally. We started hearing from
Speaker 9: our police officers the same complaints as they fell victim
Speaker 9: to this while off duty. Every one of these individuals
Speaker 9: is a person of color who has had this happen
Speaker 9: to them in Brooklyn Park. One particular officer that shared
Speaker 9: her story with me was stopped as she passed ice
Speaker 9: going down the roadway. When they boxed her in, they
Speaker 9: demanded her paperwork, of which she's a US citizen and
Speaker 9: clearly would not have any paperwork. When she became concerned
Speaker 9: about the rhetoric and the way she was being treated,
Speaker 9: she pulled out her phone in an attempt to record
Speaker 9: the incidant. The phone was knocked out of her hands,
Speaker 9: prevented her from recording it. The officer had their guns
Speaker 9: drawn during this interaction, and after the officer became so concerned,
Speaker 9: they were forced to identify themselves as a Brooklyn Park
Speaker 9: police officer in hopes of slowing the incident and de
Speaker 9: escalating the incident down. The agents then immediately left after
Speaker 9: hearing this, making no other comments, no other apologies, just
Speaker 9: got in their vehicles and left. Many of the chiefs
Speaker 9: standing behind me have similar incidents with their off duty officers.
Speaker 9: If it is happening to our officers, it pains me
Speaker 9: to think how many of our community members are falling
Speaker 9: victim to this every day. It has to stop.
Speaker 3: It has to stop, But it's not going to stop.
Speaker 3: As you saw recently in just the last couple of days,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump standing at the podium in the briefing room
Speaker 3: with pictures of alleged immigrants or undocumented immigrants with alleged
Speaker 3: criminal histories or criminal records, without giving any evidence of that,
Speaker 3: lying saying they're only going after the really bad people,
Speaker 3: the the criminals, undocumented people. We all know that's a lie,
Speaker 3: and everything else is a deflection and a cover up.
Speaker 3: And the reason people are out there protesting in whatever
Speaker 3: venue they're protesting in is because of the unjust nature
Speaker 3: that these ICE agents and federal agents are acting in
Speaker 3: and they know that they're not using due process. They
Speaker 3: I believe it is their edict to not use due
Speaker 3: process and just to beat people up and to ask them,
Speaker 3: you know, for their papers.
Speaker 2: We're in the United States of America.
Speaker 3: There are people being asked for their papers who are
Speaker 3: United States citizens, are just on the basis of their
Speaker 3: accents or what color their skin is. And I'm glad
Speaker 3: that that head of a police department, and there were
Speaker 3: several there that they're out there telling the truth because
Speaker 3: we don't hear that from this administration. And quite frankly,
Speaker 3: you don't really hear it enough. I think in mainstream
Speaker 3: media these there's so much both sizing and just putting
Speaker 3: on these liars who come on every single day and
Speaker 3: say we're going after the bad people. All of these
Speaker 3: criminals were taken out of the country. It is Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's open borders, and it's all bullshit.
Speaker 1: Don be more right. And in fact, let's take a
Speaker 1: look at this clip that the president was in Dabos
Speaker 1: for other reasons but made some other news about the
Speaker 1: state that we're just discussing. Let's roll it.
Speaker 5: The situation in Minnesota reminds us that the West cannot
Speaker 5: mass import foreign cultures which are failed to ever build
Speaker 5: a successful society of their own. I mean, we're taking
Speaker 5: people from Somalia, and Somalia is a failed it's not
Speaker 5: a nation. Got no government, got no police, got no millie,
Speaker 5: got no nothing. And then we have this fake congress
Speaker 5: person who they just reported is worth thirty million dollars.
Speaker 5: You believe is elon Omar talking about the Constitution provides
Speaker 5: me she comes from a country that's not a country,
Speaker 5: and she's telling us.
Speaker 2: How to run America. Not going to get away with
Speaker 2: it much longer.
Speaker 8: Let me tell you elon.
Speaker 1: The other coming he makes about that in reference to
Speaker 1: while he went to Minnesota, as he says, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we've got these people from you know, other cultures, because
Speaker 1: he rails against Europe about their inclusion sort of inclusive
Speaker 1: policies of of immigration, he says, but he says, we've
Speaker 1: been dealing with these boats and getting these pirates from
Speaker 1: stop stealing our ships. The Somalis who we thought were
Speaker 1: low IQ people who happened to uh have a little
Speaker 1: bit more IQs. How can they take these ships? And
Speaker 1: then says about this scandal in Minnesota involving some Somalis
Speaker 1: Somali Americans, that they can't be that low IQ if
Speaker 1: they figured out how to swindle that much money away
Speaker 1: from the United States government. Really offensive rate, just openly racist.
Speaker 1: Ship that he said from that stage, and it surta
Speaker 1: to me, explains why they can act without regard to
Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, sixth Amendment, the Constitution, due process,
Speaker 1: access to attorneys, even picking up Americans, taking them into
Speaker 1: counties a distant from where he picks them up, and
Speaker 1: when they figure that the US citizens leave them to
Speaker 1: themselves to walk in the snow, back to wherever it
Speaker 1: is that they're trying to get back to.
Speaker 7: This is my regular moment to just remind you all
Speaker 7: that the ring leader of the Minnesota fraud's name is
Speaker 7: Amy Bach, a white woman.
Speaker 8: Carry on board.
Speaker 6: Sure, No, I mean at two points that just drive
Speaker 6: me crazy. He's indicative of it. And like every episode,
Speaker 6: I say the same thing, like nothing happens in a vacuum.
Speaker 6: It's the reason that they want to dumb us down.
Speaker 6: It's the anti intellectualism that's overtaking the country because his
Speaker 6: ahistorical ignorance. It's just it's fascinating and baffling at the
Speaker 6: same time.
Speaker 2: I mean, we.
Speaker 6: Pride ourselves on having young people in our communities strive
Speaker 6: to the upper echelons and highest level of educational achievement.
Speaker 6: We want you to have this insatiable desire to learn
Speaker 6: as much as possible, and here we have a president
Speaker 6: who's just dumb as hell. Like it's just it's fascinating
Speaker 6: to see that you can make it to be leader
Speaker 6: of the free world that runs contra to everything that
Speaker 6: we have taught our children to be. It's like we're
Speaker 6: living in upside down times and I think that's really frustrating,
Speaker 6: and I think that's disenchanting for a lot of people.
Speaker 6: The second point I make is just kind of quick.
Speaker 6: He's emboldened by And this goes back to a point
Speaker 6: that Don made about showing your papers. Well, Brett Kavanaugh
Speaker 6: said in the opinion, said that they could do this
Speaker 6: because all you were going to have to do is
Speaker 6: show your papers. It would be a quick traffic stop
Speaker 6: on parapact phrasing his opinion. They would let you go
Speaker 6: and going about your business. But when the court's not
Speaker 6: saying anything, when the legislative branch isn't saying anything, when
Speaker 6: the minority party is trying to figure out what to say,
Speaker 6: it kind of brings everything back to Andrew, which is
Speaker 6: people in this country have to want change. And we
Speaker 6: were quiet when they came from Socialist because we weren't socialists.
Speaker 6: We were quiet when they came for Jews because we
Speaker 6: weren't Jews. And then they came for us and there
Speaker 6: was nobody left to speak for me. And so that's
Speaker 6: where we are.
Speaker 1: Yet, Hey, Don go ahead.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: So I just want to say something real quickly. Bacari.
Speaker 2: I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think there are people who do teach their kids that,
Speaker 3: you know, he's everything that could, He's the opposite of
Speaker 3: what we teach our kids.
Speaker 2: I think that's some of us.
Speaker 3: But some of the folks in which we've discovered over
Speaker 3: the last decade or so, teach their kids that they're
Speaker 3: entitled there, that this world belongs to them, no matter if.
Speaker 2: They achieve or not, that they should be.
Speaker 3: The people who get accepted into universities, that they should
Speaker 3: be the first person to get the jobs, regardless of
Speaker 3: their qualification, and if there are minorities or women who
Speaker 3: are more qualified, somehow, it's become a dei situation, diversity equality.
Speaker 2: That's what the means. I'm sorry, you don't like you. No,
Speaker 2: that's you said it. You're right.
Speaker 3: So, yes, there are some of us and that so
Speaker 3: when you said that, it just reminded me of when
Speaker 3: people say this is not us, this is not America.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, and so uh we do.
Speaker 3: There are some of us who have to teach our
Speaker 3: kids that you have to be an overachiever in order
Speaker 3: to acquire things in the and to get to a
Speaker 3: certain level of professional, professional level and a personal level.
Speaker 3: But there are others who said, this is our land.
Speaker 3: You people should not be here, and that's why we're
Speaker 3: in the situation that we're in right now.
Speaker 4: All of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you moving on to a lighter topics
Speaker 1: really quickly, and that is why is the NCAA football
Speaker 1: championship team so old? I don't really have a problem
Speaker 1: with this, but Angelo apparently did this one.
Speaker 8: Her car is.
Speaker 1: I like it remains undefeated even after playing the University
Speaker 1: of Miami for the national title in Miami, three oh five,
Speaker 1: my birthplace.
Speaker 2: But folks are.
Speaker 1: Wondering if age really is just a number. Turns out
Speaker 1: the who Jews roster is about the same age as
Speaker 1: a NFL team on average, and that's the age of
Speaker 1: about twenty three. So young. I cannot believe. I cannot
Speaker 1: believe which I am? My old coach Kurt Signette is
Speaker 1: Signetti Natti. Yeah, has no time for the haters.
Speaker 2: He had this to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty simple. I win.
Speaker 1: Google me, google me.
Speaker 8: He's it.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 6: The Green Bay PA Packers, at a youngest team on
Speaker 6: average in the NFL, are about twenty five years old.
Speaker 6: They made it to the playoffs this year. The average
Speaker 6: age is about twenty three and some change. For the
Speaker 6: Indiana Hoosiers. I mean that is a very very narrow gap.
Speaker 6: I think it shows you that with nil, with the
Speaker 6: transfer portal, with all these things, football is still football.
Speaker 6: And if you get kids that want to be there,
Speaker 6: if you coach them up the right way, if you
Speaker 6: have somebody with the swag is Kurt Signetti, you have
Speaker 6: the pocket of Mark Cuban, who financed all of this.
Speaker 6: Shout out to Mark Cuban for investing in those young
Speaker 6: men and women and being competitive. The pendulum is switched,
Speaker 6: switched and changed, and now you have fourth and fifth
Speaker 6: year college graduates getting master's degrees, grown men going out there,
Speaker 6: going out there and beating the ass of your Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 6: But shout out to Miami for at least Megan you.
Speaker 6: But Indiana hasn't won anything since we've been born, and
Speaker 6: so shout out to Indiana. Hoo's just for uh, well,
Speaker 6: all of us except Don So shout out to the
Speaker 6: Indiana for their success in the National championship game.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, Butker, since you got the floor, tell
Speaker 1: us what's going on in Texas? In Texas linebacker, Oh Texas.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, that's a horrible toss.
Speaker 6: Andrew, I feel like we in the morning news and
Speaker 6: I'm talking how the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: This ain't my topic?
Speaker 8: No, no, no, it's all good. I will go ahead
Speaker 8: and read this one another football news.
Speaker 7: Houston Texans linebacker as these As Air made a political
Speaker 7: statement that costs nearly twelve thousand dollars in NFL finds.
Speaker 7: The message stopped the genocide in solidarity with the Palestinian people.
Speaker 8: So why was he being.
Speaker 7: Told that he would be taking out the game? He explains,
Speaker 7: that's roller clip.
Speaker 6: Before palace sign and you could person off.
Speaker 4: You know kids that have been amputated. Were you disappointed
Speaker 4: that the league find.
Speaker 6: You for this?
Speaker 4: I knew, you know that that was a fine.
Speaker 10: You know, I understood what I was doing as far
Speaker 10: as like I mean, for example, Steph, he wears the
Speaker 10: I tape, you know, su As, I know him with
Speaker 10: stuff on it, and they always find you. But I
Speaker 10: was told that if I wore that end of the game,
Speaker 10: I would be pulled out the game. So I think
Speaker 10: that was probably the part that I was confused about
Speaker 10: because I understand that.
Speaker 4: It was a fine. Sure, but you know, I ain't
Speaker 4: never seen stepf get pulled.
Speaker 2: Out the game.
Speaker 10: I tape with writing on it in the truth. So
Speaker 10: I mean, at the end of the day, it's bigger than me.
Speaker 10: One of the things that are going on makes people uncomfortable.
Speaker 10: Imagine how those people feel, and I think that's the
Speaker 10: biggest thing. I have no affiliation me, no connection to
Speaker 10: these people, other than the fact that I'm a human being. Right,
Speaker 10: if you have a heart, dear human being, you can
Speaker 10: see what's going on in the world, and you check
Speaker 10: yourself real quick, braking.
Speaker 4: When I'm walking off this field.
Speaker 10: That's the type of stuff that goes through my head
Speaker 10: that I have to check myself when I'm seeing it.
Speaker 4: Crying about football. What it's people who are dying every
Speaker 4: single day.
Speaker 7: Perspective and awareness, Yes, that's it, you know. According to
Speaker 7: Gaza's health Ministry, more than seventy thousand Palestinians have been
Speaker 7: killed since October twenty twenty three. So I thought it
Speaker 7: was important that this young man is trying to raise
Speaker 7: awareness for what is happening still in Gaza to the
Speaker 7: Palestinian people.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, truth telling still comes with great consequence. Apparently,
Speaker 1: even a truth that's been told by nearly every international
Speaker 1: health organization in the world who agrees that genocide is underway. Angela.
Speaker 7: What you have, well, I still have the floor. I
Speaker 7: guess this is what I want to talk about. Don
Speaker 7: Lemon had to read for Nicki Minaj, and so I
Speaker 7: want to talk about that. Nicki Minaj of course calling
Speaker 7: Don Lemon out his name, coming at him, WHI slurs
Speaker 7: after all that's going on, trying to report the facts
Speaker 7: from the ground in Minnesota. She didn't like him being
Speaker 7: in the church. Imagine Nicki Minaj being a bigger Christian
Speaker 7: than TD Jakes. I can't call it, but here's Don's response.
Speaker 7: This is what happened on Marlo Ja King Day, y'all.
Speaker 3: So people have been asking me about responding to Nicki
Speaker 3: Minaj's unhinged, homophobic tweet about me. I usually don't respond
Speaker 3: to this stuff, but let me just say this, Nicki Minaj,
Speaker 3: stop talking about shit for which you know nothing about.
Speaker 2: This is out of your out.
Speaker 3: Of your depth, by the way, and you are a
Speaker 3: homophobic bigot, You don't care about African Americans, and you're
Speaker 3: not an African American.
Speaker 2: From what I know. You are reportedly.
Speaker 3: An undocumented citizen, so you should be deported under Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's rules.
Speaker 8: So Don Lemon, we have you here? I want to
Speaker 8: know what inspired.
Speaker 2: This sweet first? Can we put the tweet first? Because
Speaker 2: Nicki Nicki Nicki.
Speaker 8: Be on that to give her. I don't want to
Speaker 8: put that tweet up.
Speaker 2: I just want to mad so he could he could
Speaker 2: read again. I just wanted to.
Speaker 3: Paraphrase he she said that she called me don c
Speaker 3: sucking lemon. Uh is disgusting. How dare you? I want
Speaker 3: that thug in jail. He would never do that to
Speaker 3: any other religion. Lock him up? Okay, a couple of things.
Speaker 3: Let's let's start. Let's start at the bottom of the page,
Speaker 3: shall we uh? Can we go back to that she said?
Speaker 2: Lock him up now?
Speaker 3: According to the reports, allegedly reportedly Nicki Minaj is came
Speaker 3: she came to this country illegally and she might be undocumented.
Speaker 3: So under her cult leader's rules, Nicki Minaj should be deported.
Speaker 3: I should come over to her house and do what
Speaker 3: they do to other people. Throw her on the ground,
Speaker 3: handcuff her, throw it in the back of a car,
Speaker 3: and deport her. Okay number two, I'm just saying, if she.
Speaker 6: Has let the man burried, let them wrong.
Speaker 3: I want to deportation for black people, for black people
Speaker 3: who disrespect African Americans when she is a visitor in
Speaker 3: our country. Yes, and if she supports the man who
Speaker 3: supports deporting people without due process, then yeah, deport her.
Speaker 3: As he said, that's the law and the rules that
Speaker 3: she believes in. I said what I said, and I'm
Speaker 3: not changing it. He would never do that to any
Speaker 3: other religion. I don't have my book here. I just
Speaker 3: wrote a book on religion that came out and was
Speaker 3: a bestseller. I know more about I've forgotten more about
Speaker 3: religion than Nicki Minaj knows who who calls Psalm twenty
Speaker 3: three Sam's when? And when they ask who is what
Speaker 3: is her favorite Bible versus, she says Sam's twenty three.
Speaker 3: I'm like, she don't know. That's two two Corinthians. Like
Speaker 3: Donald Trump said his favorite thing is I want that
Speaker 3: thug in jail. She must be talking about her husband
Speaker 3: and her brother and reportedly allegedly maybe her father. I
Speaker 3: don't know that's what I hear now. I don't know
Speaker 3: about that one.
Speaker 1: But her husband.
Speaker 3: Her husband is a sex offender who was charged with
Speaker 3: not registering as a sex offender in twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: and had to serve time and pay a fine. I
Speaker 3: believe her brother reportedly allegedly is a pedophile, and so
Speaker 3: people believe that she's doing that because she wants leniency
Speaker 3: or something, and that's why she's cosied up to the
Speaker 3: maga folks. And she is sitting on stage with Erica Kirk.
Speaker 3: How dare you well, how dare you Nicki Minaj? When
Speaker 3: you this is Nicki Minaj is outside of her capacity
Speaker 3: when commenting on anything other than trash or gossip or garbage.
Speaker 3: And then don Sea sucking lemon is disgusting. If she
Speaker 3: wants to know about disgusting, she should go and just
Speaker 3: turn to the man she sleeps in bed with every
Speaker 3: night and uh.
Speaker 2: Ask his being it was actually convicted.
Speaker 3: And if it is disgusting to be on the sex
Speaker 3: offender register, or ask her brother or whatever it is
Speaker 3: her family member.
Speaker 2: Who is a pedophile. If that's disgusting, that's it. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Wow, Well that mic was dropped. This is smoking over here,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 8: And we still got more topics? Will we got?
Speaker 6: Andrew I want to throws back up, like, what when
Speaker 6: do you decide to because this is a good question.
Speaker 6: This is something that we all talk about sometimes, but
Speaker 6: when do you decide to respond on versus? Because you
Speaker 6: get a lot of hate your way, and you have
Speaker 6: gotten a lot of hate for a long period of time,
Speaker 6: and you have evolved in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 6: But when do you when do you decide to respond versus?
Speaker 6: When do you sit back and just let it let
Speaker 6: it chill.
Speaker 2: I sit back and let it chill for a lot.
Speaker 2: But you know I don't have to do that anymore.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of talk about it.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of response that that's in this body
Speaker 3: that I didn't get out when I worked in mainstream
Speaker 3: media for twenty twenty five years. Twenty five years, if
Speaker 3: not more so, I decided because number one is bubbling up.
Speaker 3: Number two, Nicki Minaj is you have to and I
Speaker 3: don't mean I mean this metaphorically. You have to punch
Speaker 3: a bully right in the nose. Right You can't sometimes
Speaker 3: like you and you have to no means no. You
Speaker 3: have to let a bully know that no means no.
Speaker 3: When Donald Trump says I want to annex Greenland, you
Speaker 3: just go no. I said what I said, I'm not
Speaker 3: changing it, and so I think you have to do
Speaker 3: that with Nicki Minaj because she thinks it's funny. And
Speaker 3: also I think it's also important for a journalist support
Speaker 3: to report the hypocrisy and to let people know that
Speaker 3: for those of us with real papers from real universities
Speaker 3: and real degrees, that we studied this and we know
Speaker 3: how to read in ways and sometimes in many different
Speaker 3: languages than people who can put up a tweet that is,
Speaker 3: you know, thirty seconds of something and a picture of
Speaker 3: another thing and they think it's cute. She put up
Speaker 3: a picture of the chucky doll, and I think a
Speaker 3: better something that would better describe the whole situation.
Speaker 2: And who Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 3: Is is a pick me doll that she should have
Speaker 3: put up in that post. Because Nicki Minaj is a
Speaker 3: pick me. She is the definition of what we, especially
Speaker 3: Black people, call a pick me, people who cozy up
Speaker 3: to whiteness because they think that somehow that is going
Speaker 3: to get them somewhere or make them not as black.
Speaker 3: You are not like them, You are one of the
Speaker 3: good ones. She's a pick me. Put a pick me
Speaker 3: doll in there. I choose not to pick her, and
Speaker 3: I think gay people who support her with the homophobic
Speaker 3: thing she said about me and black people as African
Speaker 3: Americans who support her should stop because they are contributing
Speaker 3: to her vileness.
Speaker 7: I think that she's given them access to her Twitter account.
Speaker 7: I'm starting to think that that's not even her tweeting.
Speaker 3: She had to shut down her she had to shut
Speaker 3: down her Instagram because she lost the followers after the
Speaker 3: whole Charlie Kirk thing.
Speaker 2: You know what I didn't think about.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Andrew. I totally forgot about the mansion.
Speaker 3: Did you guys know this thing too? And so I
Speaker 3: did a whole thing on it the other day where
Speaker 3: you have to just let people know about things because
Speaker 3: they think it's cute. She's also involved in a lawsuit
Speaker 3: that she lost because her husband reportedly got into a
Speaker 3: fight with the security guard after the security guard broke
Speaker 3: up a fight reportedly between Nicki Minaj and one of
Speaker 3: her staff members, and her husband reportedly punched the security
Speaker 3: guard in the face. The security guard has a five
Speaker 3: dollars one hundred thousand dollars judgment against them and apparently
Speaker 3: they're not paying it. So they went to court and
Speaker 3: the judge said that they were going to take some
Speaker 3: of her assets, which included the twenty some million dollar mansion.
Speaker 3: And as we are taping this, I think that either
Speaker 3: happens today that she had to pay it or tomorrow.
Speaker 3: So if you want to know what's behind somebody's pantics,
Speaker 3: that's what you have to close.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Bard, No, I want to go. I know
Speaker 2: you said big on it, bid on it. No, we can.
Speaker 2: Let's go bid on it. Let's go buy.
Speaker 3: Just you know what, let's do it. I can raise
Speaker 3: some funds. You want to do it, Bard, I love
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 2: That'd be funny. Take a picture.
Speaker 1: We got.
Speaker 8: We got big topics.
Speaker 1: Well, we got what what what? What? What's up on
Speaker 1: the on the how jams react to the custom piece.
Speaker 8: We'll talk about cussing later.
Speaker 7: But I think because we don't have Don for much longer,
Speaker 7: we should jump into protesting in church and the allegations
Speaker 7: of charging him with.
Speaker 8: The k K K Actum.
Speaker 7: So let us roll this clip from y'all's Assistant Attorney
Speaker 7: General har Meet Dillon and what she had to say
Speaker 7: about prosecuting Don Lemon and others.
Speaker 11: It's off limits to go into a house of worship
Speaker 11: to do your little protests. Protests can occur on public property,
Speaker 11: protests can occur outside you know, on a sidewalk, certain sidewalks,
Speaker 11: not all sidewalks. And this is like basic what you
Speaker 11: learn in the first year of law school. There's a
Speaker 11: time placed in manner restrictions on the First Amendment write
Speaker 11: a protest, and they were violated here in this case,
Speaker 11: no question about it. The only question is who was involved,
Speaker 11: how many were involved, and how many chargers are going
Speaker 11: to be brought here? Those are the questions.
Speaker 7: So what I think is important here, I just want
Speaker 7: to remind y'all that this all is going down on
Speaker 7: Martin Luther King Day. So your Assistant Attorney General goes
Speaker 7: on a show with this conservative influencer. Earlier in the show,
Speaker 7: talks about potentially prosecuting Don Lemon and others who were
Speaker 7: in the church under the KKK Act, also know as
Speaker 7: the Enforcement Act of eighteen seventy one eighteen seventy one.
Speaker 7: More on that in a second. She later stated that
Speaker 7: individuals could also be charged under the Freedom of Access
Speaker 7: to Clinic Entrances Act. This, I think is a important
Speaker 7: as a backdrop, And we can also pull up the
Speaker 7: tweet nick where the Assistant Attorney General references the FACE Act,
Speaker 7: and there's another from Donald Trump on true social about
Speaker 7: what he thinks should happen to protesters who went into
Speaker 7: this church. So don if you can talk to the
Speaker 7: audience a little bit about why you were in this church,
Speaker 7: whose church it was, and why they thought they saw
Speaker 7: fit to even be there.
Speaker 8: You were there reporting?
Speaker 3: Yes, I was there reporting, And I don't even know
Speaker 3: the name of the church. I don't even know the
Speaker 3: name of the pastor who was there. But I do
Speaker 3: know the name of the pastor who was alleged to
Speaker 3: be and now has been confirmed by the church to
Speaker 3: be like the I forget some sort of coordinating agent
Speaker 3: or something of ICE, a directing agent of ICE.
Speaker 8: In acting field director.
Speaker 3: Acting right David Easterwood, and that he was a pastor
Speaker 3: in the church. And so that group said that they
Speaker 3: went there to protest that I didn't even know what
Speaker 3: the which what you know, what place they were going.
Speaker 3: It was an organization that people said were doing They
Speaker 3: had sent out a flyer and they were a protest group,
Speaker 3: and they had been protesting what was happening in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3: And I was I landed in Minneapolis and said, sure,
Speaker 3: I'll go, I'll follow them. I'll just go chronicle what
Speaker 3: they're doing. And so when I found out it was
Speaker 3: a church, I sat back for a bit and I said,
Speaker 3: let them do their thing.
Speaker 2: Did I know they were going to go in there.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course they're going to go in there,
Speaker 3: that's what they do, or go in there around the church. Well,
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if they were going to go inside
Speaker 3: or go around the church or whatever. I didn't know
Speaker 3: what their actions would be, but I knew that I
Speaker 3: wanted to report on it because that's part of what
Speaker 3: was happening that day. And so when they went into
Speaker 3: the church, I stood there and waited for a bit
Speaker 3: and waited and waited, and I saw other members of
Speaker 3: the press going in, and so I walked in. When
Speaker 3: I saw the when when the unrest happened, I walked
Speaker 3: in and and just started started saying, Hey, look this
Speaker 3: group is over here. It's chaos right there. They're channing this.
Speaker 3: They're parishioners and church members over here who are upset.
Speaker 2: And let me go over.
Speaker 3: And talk to the pastor, pastor, how do you feel
Speaker 3: about this, about this happening in the church. And then
Speaker 3: he did this thing, and I went over to one
Speaker 3: of the some of the parishioners, I said, what do
Speaker 3: you feel about this? If they said they didn't want
Speaker 3: to talk, I said, I understand, and I moved on
Speaker 3: and uh. And then I talked to the afterwards, the
Speaker 3: members of the group that had organized the protest, and
Speaker 3: that was it. I left and then somehow, yes, somehow,
Speaker 3: I became the face of it. I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 3: the face of it. I'm not a protester. And I
Speaker 3: kept saying to them when people would say, why are
Speaker 3: you going you guys, what do you I said, sir,
Speaker 3: I'm not part I'm not one of the protesters.
Speaker 2: I'm just here. I'm a journalist and I'm here reporting
Speaker 2: and that's it. Would you like to say something? And
Speaker 2: then that's it?
Speaker 6: So wow, you know why you're the you know why
Speaker 6: you're the face of it because you are Don Lemon.
Speaker 6: That's one two. The KKK at don't even apply.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that said.
Speaker 3: You can't appear on my show anymore because he's not
Speaker 3: going to be on any KKK members shows.
Speaker 6: It was passed or reconstruction, and the purpose of it
Speaker 6: was to suppress the KKK and protect African Americans. Ironically,
Speaker 6: she's saying she's going to prosecute you using this act.
Speaker 6: It was the reason for it was to protect African
Speaker 6: Americans and ensure their access to due process, access to
Speaker 6: hold office, and access to serve on juries.
Speaker 2: Because what was happening was the KKK.
Speaker 6: They were getting together and they were going out and
Speaker 6: intimidating folk, and they were like, we need to make
Speaker 6: sure we keep this from happening. Nothing that you said,
Speaker 6: the contours the context of what you said falls under
Speaker 6: the KKK Act.
Speaker 2: So that's first.
Speaker 6: Second, nobody should really have an issue with Don Levan
Speaker 6: going in there and covering the movement or covering a protest,
Speaker 6: because journalists cover protests, and I believe you have the
Speaker 6: right to cover it wherever you should or wherever you
Speaker 6: want to. The third thing, though, is where I disagree
Speaker 6: with all of y'all, and that I don't think you
Speaker 6: will believe you should protest in church. I believe that
Speaker 6: to be whole ground. I believe that to be sacricaying,
Speaker 6: and I actually I don't mind people covering a protest.
Speaker 6: My problem is with the protesters, and the reason being
Speaker 6: is because where do you draw the line. It's an
Speaker 6: extremely slippery slope, and one of the houses of worship
Speaker 6: that I find near and dear to my heart is
Speaker 6: Mother Emmanuel Ami. And in January of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 6: when Joe Biden was in there speaking, it was crashed
Speaker 6: by some far left not even far left, but some
Speaker 6: left wing Charleston National protesters. And you know, it was
Speaker 6: just a bunch of older black folks in there trying
Speaker 6: to pray worship and Mother Emmanuel is a sacred place
Speaker 6: for a lot of us. I mean, it just warms
Speaker 6: our spirit a lot of us and we're not trying
Speaker 6: to go to church to have it interrupted by protesters,
Speaker 6: particularly for this or that. And so I just find
Speaker 6: that to be a very slippery slope. If you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: well we can just protest ice, well, who's to keep
Speaker 6: somebody from protesting single payer healthcare or whatever it may be?
Speaker 6: And that, for me, it's a very personal thing. I'm
Speaker 6: not trying tompose it on anybody else. That just crosses
Speaker 6: a line.
Speaker 8: I I don't really agree really quick? Can I.
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 3: I just say one thing and then I'll go, I
Speaker 3: don't disagree with you, but it's not my job. It's
Speaker 3: not my job to judge whether it's appropriate to.
Speaker 2: Cover it.
Speaker 3: And so as a Christian. Yes, it may be uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: and I even say that said that in the report.
Speaker 3: I can understand why people are uncomfortable. Here, look at
Speaker 3: the kid. People are consoling their children or whatever. I
Speaker 3: can understand that. But as a journalist, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I may have to cover in a war zone. I
Speaker 3: may not agree with what our country is doing, but
Speaker 3: it's not my job when I'm covering it to say
Speaker 3: that it's my job to cover it and then let
Speaker 3: the people decide, and then I could talk about whether
Speaker 3: it's appropriate or not in another way. So I actually
Speaker 3: feel very close to similar as you feel about.
Speaker 12: It without the transparent to Our liberation was fomented in
Speaker 12: the church, the meetings that led to bus boycotts, that
Speaker 12: led to table counter protests that led to uh in
Speaker 12: some cases, the admonishment of our skin folk who were
Speaker 12: not our kinfault.
Speaker 1: Correct. The pastors spoke of it, yes, but not all pastors, right,
Speaker 1: do you remember? Letter from Birmingham jail was directed at
Speaker 1: all those religious, super religious, black, white and otherwise pastors
Speaker 1: who said not here Reverend Jackson.
Speaker 6: Reverend Jackson hated King so much in Chicago he changed
Speaker 6: his door, his address correct.
Speaker 2: You're making the point, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know how we I don't know
Speaker 1: how we go from And I'll stop here, Angela, because
Speaker 1: I haven't said much by way of opinion here so far.
Speaker 1: But it is I don't think one her meet Dylan
Speaker 1: ought to be setting up the case for whether or
Speaker 1: not protests and churches is or is not correct. This
Speaker 1: is the same woman who would not allow her division
Speaker 1: of civil rights we're supposed to ensure to our civil liberties,
Speaker 1: in our civil rights within this here country, decided that
Speaker 1: she wasn't going to investigate the officer who killed Missus Good. Now,
Speaker 1: I know that the facts aim to be laid out,
Speaker 1: but the federal government has already said they're not launching
Speaker 1: an investigation against Missus Good's killer. This is the same
Speaker 1: woman who decided to dismiss similarily all of the consent
Speaker 1: decrees that precessed her from the last administration, holding those
Speaker 1: communities accountable who had committed atrocious violations of civil rights
Speaker 1: acts all around the country. She's got no grounds to
Speaker 1: tell us what is and is not appropriate. I'm deeply
Speaker 1: offended by the fact that she even gets to carry
Speaker 1: this title, and certainly that we have to refer to
Speaker 1: her as a Department of Justice deputy, because this department
Speaker 1: is anything but just that's not what they represent, So
Speaker 1: she doesn't get to set up this frame for me.
Speaker 1: I reject that, but I just want us to keep
Speaker 1: in mind and consider what if this were different day
Speaker 1: in time, And quite frankly, it feels like maybe similar
Speaker 1: day in time, but a different day in time, say
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight, fifty four, nineteen sixty sixty three, at
Speaker 1: a different part of the country, would we be clamoring
Speaker 1: for our church spaces to be the places in which
Speaker 1: we not only organize, but also go to protests, to
Speaker 1: let our voices be heard, to fight amongst each other,
Speaker 1: before we then descend out into the streets with a
Speaker 1: unified voice and message to move our communities forward the history.
Speaker 1: Now with none of that, I'm not being selective about
Speaker 1: the fact that there are some places where you have
Speaker 1: to go. Paula White here in Florida, how you going
Speaker 1: to hold up the Gospel of Christ on Sunday and
Speaker 1: then on Monday you are treading barbs against our communities,
Speaker 1: all of our communities as you pretend to be pastoral
Speaker 1: moral advisor to President Trump. It just doesn't sink.
Speaker 2: So I listen.
Speaker 6: My point is, I agree with, as we oftentimes find ourselves,
Speaker 6: about seventy five percent of what you said. I agree
Speaker 6: with the offensive nature of the Associate Attorney General. I
Speaker 6: think she's out of her depth. I don't think she
Speaker 6: deserves her job all of those things. I think that
Speaker 6: her interpretation of the KKK Act is like somebody just
Speaker 6: told her that before she went on air, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: it's just flatly wrong. But again, we're going back to
Speaker 6: the point that they can be mediocre and still achieve
Speaker 6: these high levels of power. We covered that a little
Speaker 6: bit earlier. But I think that you are highlighting and
Speaker 6: conflating two issues, like, yes, the church was the central
Speaker 6: meeting point. Yes, the church was a point of organization. Yes,
Speaker 6: the church was a place where you could go out
Speaker 6: and articulate from the well of the pulpit. Nobody does
Speaker 6: that better right now than Rafael Warnot. Right Ebenezer, a
Speaker 6: Baptist church. Rafael Warnot goes up there and he talks
Speaker 6: about the scripture. Equates that to making sure that we
Speaker 6: understand Sunday is not the only day that we do this,
Speaker 6: making sure that we're out there doing God's work Monday
Speaker 6: through Saturday, basically relying on the Scripture as a blueprint.
Speaker 2: I agree with all of that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying in protesting to the treads on.
Speaker 2: Us, right, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: But but what bothers me though, is in that house
Speaker 6: of worship, a place where we were stripped of everything
Speaker 6: that we had when we came here except faith, where
Speaker 6: we hold it to be sacricanct, where we hold it
Speaker 6: to be a place of home. And yes we can
Speaker 6: argue in bicker, because black folks bicker and arguing the
Speaker 6: church more than anywhere else.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, though, is.
Speaker 6: For an outside body, because that's what a protest is,
Speaker 6: to come in, to come into our church and your body,
Speaker 6: to come come come into our home, regardless of what
Speaker 6: it may be, and to protest somebody.
Speaker 2: That's what can we get to behind why you feel that?
Speaker 8: I really want to chime in here because I think
Speaker 8: that there's go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, I was just going to say.
Speaker 6: The why is that I don't feel like we have
Speaker 6: many spaces that are our own. I don't feel that
Speaker 6: we have spaces that we can have a certain level
Speaker 6: of peace. I don't feel like there are spaces where
Speaker 6: you can go in and rest in your thoughts, in
Speaker 6: your faith, in your worship. I mean, I go sit
Speaker 6: at Potter's house and be up there crying in that moment.
Speaker 6: The last thing I want somebody to do is comeing
Speaker 6: in and protest because I don't like Bernie Sanders, like
Speaker 6: that is for me something that I find to be
Speaker 6: mine and my Lord, and I want to have that time.
Speaker 6: And I just I ain't protesting in nobody's church.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: I'm just going to tell you this, Like there's a
Speaker 7: difference between fascism faith and black liberation theology. And so
Speaker 7: I think that the main thing that we're we're conflating
Speaker 7: here now is that all places of worship are made equal.
Speaker 7: I want to remind the audience that the purpose of
Speaker 7: this particular protest is because David Easterwood, who is a
Speaker 7: pastor at City's Church, is the field director, the acting
Speaker 7: field director for Saint Paul, the Ice for Ice in
Speaker 7: Saint Paul, renee Good was killed. The protest was because
Speaker 7: renee Good was killed or that man's leadership.
Speaker 8: And so it would be one thing if they were
Speaker 8: protesting scripture.
Speaker 7: It would be one thing if they were protesting the
Speaker 7: fact that they didn't like this particular path because they
Speaker 7: don't like what he preached about last Sunday. It would
Speaker 7: be another thing as well, Bakari, if people went to
Speaker 7: Mother Emmanuel to protest the fact that Dylan Rufe.
Speaker 8: Didn't get a big enough cheeseburger.
Speaker 7: On the other side of killing the parishioners at Bible study,
Speaker 7: what we're talking about are people who are protesting because
Speaker 7: their lives are at risk.
Speaker 8: What we're talking about is people who took on the
Speaker 8: mantle of Jesus.
Speaker 7: In Matthew twenty one, verses twelve and thirteen when he
Speaker 7: flipped the tables over. We're talking about protesting Pharisees and Sadducees,
Speaker 7: not gentiles who don't know any better. We're talking about
Speaker 7: protesting people who act under the color of law, people
Speaker 7: who were acting under fake moral authority. Not what is
Speaker 7: biblically true, Not what is loving your neighbor as yourself,
Speaker 7: Not what is feeding the poor, not what is taking
Speaker 7: care of the migrants, Not what is taking care of
Speaker 7: people who are.
Speaker 8: In prison, incarcerated and being done wrong. Clothing the naked.
Speaker 7: They took a naked man outside of his house, fresh
Speaker 7: out of the shop, hour with this ice.
Speaker 8: So I think that we've got to differentiate between.
Speaker 2: But how do you differentiate how how do you my pointing.
Speaker 8: It's immoral protesting? What is it moral under the color
Speaker 8: of the cloth.
Speaker 6: But I mean, you we just had a protest. We
Speaker 6: had a protested mother emanual. It wasn't about a cheeseburger.
Speaker 6: We had these cars came in and Joe Biden is,
Speaker 6: why do you.
Speaker 2: Think of church's off limits? Why is it?
Speaker 3: Why is that off limits? Do we deem religion to
Speaker 3: be off limits? Because that's problematic too, because you ever know,
Speaker 3: I don't think religion because God said so, And then
Speaker 3: you go, I don't think that.
Speaker 2: Religion is off said so for slavery.
Speaker 6: I mean I think I think I don't think religion
Speaker 6: is off limits. I mean, in fact, I think that
Speaker 6: religion as a vessel for protest. I mean, I just
Speaker 6: took my kids out to see the Buddhist monks that
Speaker 6: are traveling from Houston, Texas. They're walking twenty three hundred miles,
Speaker 6: and I just you know, it's not my religion, it's
Speaker 6: not my faith, but I wanted my kids to be
Speaker 6: able to be a part of that movement. See things
Speaker 6: they got a chance to meet the monks, meet a local,
Speaker 6: the little dog. But my point is this, we're we're
Speaker 6: setting this arbitrary red line, or this arbitrary line that
Speaker 6: houses of worship, and that that is what that is
Speaker 6: what bothers me. I mean houses of worship.
Speaker 1: You you established the red line. I don't believe there
Speaker 1: is a line.
Speaker 2: No, that's but no, no, no.
Speaker 6: But I'm responding to Angela because Angela. Angela was dictating
Speaker 6: that all churches are not created equal, which although I agree,
Speaker 6: although trust me, I do agree with who is who
Speaker 6: is the arbiter of that line?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 2: My line is very clear.
Speaker 8: Means I think it's God. I think it's God, and
Speaker 8: it's the guy in me.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: Look, I understand how you feel as a Christian, as
Speaker 3: a as a practicing Christian. I understand how you feel
Speaker 3: about that. But I would also have to ask you
Speaker 3: about what if there were people whose children had been
Speaker 3: abused by priests. Would you not want them to go
Speaker 3: into a Catholic church and say that man abused my child,
Speaker 3: that man sexually sulted mynd nine or ten or seven whatever?
Speaker 3: Would it be like, Oh, you can't tell your truth
Speaker 3: because you just can't go into a church.
Speaker 6: No, I mean I think you can go Like I
Speaker 6: think that if you have a child who is a
Speaker 6: victim of child sex abuse, like in your example, and
Speaker 6: you are someone who stands up and says, in that spirit,
Speaker 6: it comes over you and you tell and you speak
Speaker 6: your truth in that moment, right, that is what the
Speaker 6: church is for. If you're speaking your truth, that is
Speaker 6: what the church is for. Organ But hold on, hold on.
Speaker 6: And he was also talking about a member of that
Speaker 6: church or somebody who had a relationship with that church.
Speaker 2: Relevantly, what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: What I'm talking about is creating an outside entity that
Speaker 6: has no affiliation with the church at all and protesting
Speaker 6: that church or inside that church.
Speaker 3: I mean, what if it's a group of people who
Speaker 3: are protesting against child's sex abuse and some of the
Speaker 3: child sex abuses are in that church.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, I think that we can go down
Speaker 6: this path and have the have these exceptions, and I
Speaker 6: think that there are places.
Speaker 8: In times perceptions, there are places in tops.
Speaker 2: Well, we start trying, we're trying to create more exceptions too.
Speaker 6: But my my biggest, my biggest, my biggest problem, my
Speaker 6: biggest problem is that we're we are saying that this
Speaker 6: is okay, this is this is okay because this is
Speaker 6: an issue that drives us. This is okay because we're
Speaker 6: all four of us are completely outraged by the behavior
Speaker 6: of Ice. That is a similarity, and that is a
Speaker 6: message that all of us convey today. Ice is fucking
Speaker 6: up and destroying people's neighborhoods.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 6: However, when Andrew gillim or Bacari Sellers or Angela r
Speaker 6: speak at the next church and we are rolling through
Speaker 6: talking about the pain and the fight for Black liberation,
Speaker 6: and then you have a group of Moms for liberty,
Speaker 6: have no affiliation with that church, come in the church
Speaker 6: and say.
Speaker 2: You niggas are bad for society.
Speaker 1: If they want life, if they wanted to shoot their
Speaker 1: shot in that way, come on right. Because because the
Speaker 1: environment will curate its own experience and make the choice,
Speaker 1: we don't get to be selective about what issue necessitates protests.
Speaker 1: I think church as a venue. I think whatever it is,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, because people don't generally just randomly show
Speaker 1: up in churches to protest for no reason. Usually people
Speaker 1: are engineered by something that has occurred. There is usually
Speaker 1: a connection and that provides the moral clarity for the
Speaker 1: people who are part of that protest to be in
Speaker 1: that place at that time. I just think in today's society,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly for our community, it's been that way
Speaker 1: since jump in this country. But in today's society, uh,
Speaker 1: where churches, particularly white evangelical churches, are organizing politics, organizing
Speaker 1: centers of politics. I don't understand how we then draw
Speaker 1: the line. But you said twice, and it's can use
Speaker 1: a church to organize a protest, you just can't execute
Speaker 1: one thing.
Speaker 2: You've said this twice.
Speaker 6: Can you name me throughout history using your civil rights
Speaker 6: direct line and metaphor, can you name me an organized
Speaker 6: protest that black folks have had in opposition inside of
Speaker 6: the house of worship?
Speaker 3: You know, we people have to integrate churches and integrating
Speaker 3: black people, innovating churches and going in I am the churches.
Speaker 2: That's a form of protest.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about large scale I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: large scale movement, march on Washington type stuff. That's what
Speaker 1: I have been a part of congregations where people have
Speaker 1: come in and protested, including I've seen in my community
Speaker 1: people who have come in and protested the pastor who
Speaker 1: is sleeping with uh uh, this.
Speaker 2: This person's history. I'm not about.
Speaker 1: You to curate you're trying to This.
Speaker 7: Is also inner churches, because then the inn church beef
Speaker 7: is that they are not abiding. We literally have someone
Speaker 7: who is the pastor of the church.
Speaker 2: Facilitating go ahead. I'm sure.
Speaker 7: Well, all I'm saying is this, let me just reference
Speaker 7: the law. Because you reference Kkkact, we know that was
Speaker 7: created under reconstruction. But also this Assistant Attorney General references
Speaker 7: the freedom of access to clinic entrances active nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 7: You know the sponsor was the late Ted Kennedy. The
Speaker 7: reason I'm bringing this up is as a compromise, places
Speaker 7: of worship were integrated into this particular legislation. But this
Speaker 7: was really about people who are defacing clinics where people
Speaker 7: were getting abortions. Now they say specifically in this bill
Speaker 7: that there's nothing in here that should be taking away
Speaker 7: activities protected by free speech or free exercise clauses the
Speaker 7: First Amendment, and I think that it is very important
Speaker 7: that we decipher between the two. We can feel disrespected,
Speaker 7: we can feel afraid, we can feel concerned that people
Speaker 7: are in places that we normally deem sacred, but which
Speaker 7: should be more sacred than anything else else in this
Speaker 7: life in this country, is life itself.
Speaker 8: And this woman's life was taken from her.
Speaker 7: So these pro life people at this city's church, and
Speaker 7: they're acting Ice director, who is also their pastor, should
Speaker 7: have to make a statement, should have to be clear
Speaker 7: about where they stand in this. Donald Trump is even saying, well,
Speaker 7: Ice has made some mistakes. He's being very cavalier about it,
Speaker 7: but at least he's even acknowledged that they've made mistakes.
Speaker 7: This pastor's not doing that, and I thntion our folks
Speaker 7: have every right to demand that he says something, if
Speaker 7: nothing else, an apology to her family.
Speaker 1: Angel I just I agree with you. I simply just
Speaker 1: want to align myself with I am issue agnostic about
Speaker 1: what the protests may be or may be about. I
Speaker 1: understand that there are many of us who hold in
Speaker 1: our hearts, our churches sacrasanc. There are people who also
Speaker 1: hold their traffic time, the streets that they go on
Speaker 1: to get from and to work sacri sank and do
Speaker 1: not believe you should be able to come into the
Speaker 1: intersection and disrupt that protest is fine, So long as
Speaker 1: it doesn't disrupt me. But the meaning of protest, the
Speaker 1: very essence of why we do it, is to shake
Speaker 1: you out of your normal to do something so drastic,
Speaker 1: so different, so capturing, and quite frankly out of place,
Speaker 1: for the moment that I hold your attention, so that
Speaker 1: you get to hear what it is that I have
Speaker 1: to say. Again, I think, obviously, I consider my church
Speaker 1: base sacred, my prayer time sacred, o my home sacred,
Speaker 1: and so many other things, and there are laws around.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 1: But protest, by its essence, at its depth, at its
Speaker 1: very meaning, is to frankly, to cause you to say
Speaker 1: a man or ouch, And more of us will likely
Speaker 1: say ouch, because it is happening out of our comfort zone.
Speaker 1: And that is the point.
Speaker 3: I agree with her, whether I agree with her or
Speaker 3: you agree with it, and I am torn. I have
Speaker 3: mixed feelings about it. I still believe that my role
Speaker 3: as a journalist, not as a protester, is protected under
Speaker 3: the First Amendment, and it be chronicled, should be chronicled, because.
Speaker 2: Then you don't know what.
Speaker 3: Imagine if there were no journalists there and it was
Speaker 3: not chronicled, and if it was not recorded, they could
Speaker 3: have made things up about what the protesters did. The
Speaker 3: protesters could have made things up about and now you
Speaker 3: see it all on camera. And that is the role
Speaker 3: of a journalist.
Speaker 1: So anyway, and we need you, We need you in
Speaker 1: the first Amendment also needs you, and we also need Congress, but.
Speaker 2: Do they need to be We also need Jesus. But
Speaker 2: I was just I think we all four of us
Speaker 2: will agree.
Speaker 6: You walk up and protesting the black church, your experience,
Speaker 6: to use term will be curated.
Speaker 1: That's now.
Speaker 8: Outside of the protest.
Speaker 2: But put some flyers on the cars. Don't come up here.
Speaker 2: That's what I said.
Speaker 1: If you feel a real froggy, you want to leap, Okay,
Speaker 1: you go ahead.
Speaker 3: When you walk into the church, there's a big sign
Speaker 3: on the door that says, don't start.
Speaker 13: None who cares about truth and.
Speaker 4: The loss more than saying it.
Speaker 7: So according to NBC News, twenty four members of Congress
Speaker 7: are eighty four or older, and more than half of
Speaker 7: them are running for reelection.
Speaker 8: But Kari and I got.
Speaker 7: Into a heated discussion about this just briefly, and so
Speaker 7: I was like, well, you know, we should run that
Speaker 7: thing back into the show. So I want to talk
Speaker 7: very quickly about the aging of our Congress and whether
Speaker 7: or not age is nothing but a number or if
Speaker 7: it's all the numbers. Clearly we see the impact of
Speaker 7: age on Donald Trump's presidency. People talked about it quite
Speaker 7: a bit with Joe Biden's presidency. Don I got to
Speaker 7: hear from you, what do you think about the age
Speaker 7: of our Congress.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't want to seem like I'm straddling the
Speaker 3: fence here, but I think you need a combination of both.
Speaker 3: I think that I think there's time for some people
Speaker 3: to just say, you know, there comes a time we
Speaker 3: have to say so long, like Carol Burnett said so
Speaker 3: And I think we have to make room for young
Speaker 3: people with pressure ideas, because that's how if you ever
Speaker 3: hang around a young person like my social media team
Speaker 3: keeps me young and they have great ideas. And a
Speaker 3: lot of the folks who are the old folks don't
Speaker 3: understand where the world is going AI, you know, streaming
Speaker 3: computers and all of that. But I believe there is
Speaker 3: one thing that older people have that we can't buy,
Speaker 3: and that's wisdom. And I think we have to respect
Speaker 3: that wisdom. And also you have to respect experience because
Speaker 3: there are things that people with experience, they've gone through
Speaker 3: one hundred times before, and they know how to deal
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: They know how to deal with.
Speaker 3: Pressure and pain and grief and all of those things
Speaker 3: that one of the younger souls may not be able
Speaker 3: to deal with as well. So I think you need both.
Speaker 3: You need the old one, you know, each one, teach one.
Speaker 3: I think you need some of the older folks to
Speaker 3: do that and some of the younger folks to come in.
Speaker 3: But I do believe that we need more young people.
Speaker 3: They are younger voices, pressure ideas.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 8: I hear that, Bakari. So you want to get rid
Speaker 8: of all the old people? So what you got?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean I'm somewhat with donnad. First of all, every
Speaker 6: eighty year old, all eighty year olds aren't equal. I
Speaker 6: think we all know that, right. I think that we
Speaker 6: see that in our own lives. You have these eighty
Speaker 6: year olds.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: I was looking at the other day Llkuj's mama, right.
Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all saw that picture. He was
Speaker 6: celebrating a birthday, I believe, and she was. I mean,
Speaker 6: they said, I don't want to guess the age, but
Speaker 6: she was she was up there, right, but she looked amazing,
Speaker 6: like she looked like she had to be fifty years old.
Speaker 6: So every eighty year old is not equal. And we're
Speaker 6: we're not talking about casting folk aside. There are two
Speaker 6: issues that I have, particularly with black leadership in the
Speaker 6: aging One both in our church. We've been church heavy
Speaker 6: in this program, but both in our church and our
Speaker 6: civic organizations as well as our politics. We don't create
Speaker 6: succession plans. We don't have any idea who or what
Speaker 6: we're looking for in the next upcoming leader, which means
Speaker 6: that when something has happens to our aging leaders, when
Speaker 6: they fall a brick a hip, when they have a
Speaker 6: heart attack, when it's a tragedy that strikes, whatever it
Speaker 6: may be, we're just sitting out here. Just the John
Speaker 6: Conyer's district is probably one of the better examples, right, Michigan. Detroit,
Speaker 6: Michigan has no black the city of Detroit one of
Speaker 6: the blackest, I think it is the blackest major city
Speaker 6: in the United States of America. Has no black representative
Speaker 6: in the United States Congress, not a one. Right, and
Speaker 6: you begin to see those things. The other thing is,
Speaker 6: and this is when Angela really gets mad at me
Speaker 6: because I think that we need a job fair, but
Speaker 6: these neighbors, like I think we need a job fair
Speaker 6: for black elected officials in particular, because when white boys
Speaker 6: get to a certain age, they cash out, they go
Speaker 6: to think things.
Speaker 2: They go to SaaS.
Speaker 6: Maybe he please just I know he's Senator SaaS is
Speaker 6: somebody who actually asked the question. Although I disagree with
Speaker 6: him politically, he asked a question what can I do
Speaker 6: for my country, not what can my country do for me?
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you all saw his post
Speaker 6: recently that he is what can UF pay for next?
Speaker 6: He's in stage four cancer and he doesn't have that
Speaker 6: much longer left to live. So I just wanted to
Speaker 6: uh kind of throw that throw throw that out there
Speaker 6: as a random aside. But you know, you have these
Speaker 6: individuals who go to these college campuses like SaaS at
Speaker 6: UF or whatever it is, and a lot of times
Speaker 6: black folk in elected office don't have a landing spot.
Speaker 2: We talk about that all the time. We don't have
Speaker 2: a landing spot.
Speaker 6: And so when I think I think about the age
Speaker 6: in Congress, it's like one we don't have a succession plan.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying get rid of all the old folks,
Speaker 6: everybody above the eighties shouldn't run. Jim Cloudburn lasts at
Speaker 6: me all the time because he says, every time I
Speaker 6: shake his hand, I check his pulse, right, he says.
Speaker 2: Macary, I'm only taking one cholesterol pill. I'm in good shape. Right.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 6: Everybody's not created equal, but we need a succession plan
Speaker 6: and we need to make sure that our they have
Speaker 6: a great landing spot that like the white boys do,
Speaker 6: so they can actually go out and create wealth for
Speaker 6: their families and reap the benefits of their service.
Speaker 7: This is this is one thing that I think and
Speaker 7: Andrew want you to weigh in here too. But there's
Speaker 7: one area in particular that I want you to address.
Speaker 7: Bacari has been controversial, particularly on the Hill. There are
Speaker 7: members of Congress, especially our older ones, people who are
Speaker 7: my mentors, like father figures to me, mother figures to me,
Speaker 7: who have taken great issue with the fact that they
Speaker 7: were told that you wanted to run against Congressman Clyburn
Speaker 7: and you were ready to take him out us form
Speaker 7: of an intern So I would like for you to
Speaker 7: address this once and for all.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've always told people, I've always told people, and
Speaker 6: I tell Congressman that, first of all, I don't address
Speaker 6: I don't address everything, like That's one of the questions
Speaker 6: I asked Don earlier in the show, Like I don't
Speaker 6: address everything because everything don't need to be addressed. And
Speaker 6: if people around Congressman Cliburn want to tell him I'm
Speaker 6: running against him, so what I mean, you kind of
Speaker 6: listen when you can pick up the phone and call me,
Speaker 6: that's that's fine. I've never made any steps to run
Speaker 6: against Congressman Clyburn. If I've been critical of something he's
Speaker 6: done in the media, ask me, I will like anybody else.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think we have that relationship, we have
Speaker 6: that respect for each other. He and I have a
Speaker 6: great relationship. But I've told him many times I have
Speaker 6: no intentions of running against Jim Cliver. I mean, I
Speaker 6: don't have I don't, I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 6: do that. I don't feel that to be good for
Speaker 6: black folk in any in any way shape form, for
Speaker 6: this district and somebody who served and who brought stuff back,
Speaker 6: you know, it is what it is now.
Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to pass that seat
Speaker 2: down to X y Z. But I don't.
Speaker 6: I have a great deal of respect for Jim Clavern
Speaker 6: and his family, and I've never that was something.
Speaker 2: The funny part about.
Speaker 6: That is that that's so dc that it's like decently
Speaker 6: irrelevant to anybody in the sixth Congressional District, decently irrelevant
Speaker 6: to anybody in South Carolina, because everybody down here knows,
Speaker 6: and no one in here is like, but car go
Speaker 6: run against Jim, And I'm not telling people I am.
Speaker 7: Well, I wanted to clear that up because I think
Speaker 7: that's important in the context for this particular topic. Andrew,
Speaker 7: you're a former young elected official, developed young elected officials
Speaker 7: network through people for the American way, and I think
Speaker 7: it's so important that we're building a bench, but we're
Speaker 7: also not throwing away our elders. There is no succession
Speaker 7: plan for a lot of the members of Congress, particularly
Speaker 7: the black members. It's the most money that many of
Speaker 7: them have ever made in their lives to say you
Speaker 7: need to leave here. The question is and do what
Speaker 7: you know. And also, Congressman Waters has more energy than
Speaker 7: some of the thirty and forty year old members of Congress.
Speaker 7: So I do think it's very dumb to say, oh,
Speaker 7: if you're over this age because the third oldest Congress
Speaker 7: in history, you should have to automatically step down. Who
Speaker 7: has the ability, the wherewithal, the knowledge to fight against
Speaker 7: this type of authority is here in regime.
Speaker 8: Who was closer to.
Speaker 7: Jim Crow and knows what happens and how to combat
Speaker 7: when segregationist policies are front and center.
Speaker 8: We should not be thrown away all of our elders.
Speaker 7: And we certainly now, if you're not doing nothing, I
Speaker 7: don't care what age you are, you should be run against.
Speaker 8: That's completely different.
Speaker 7: But I think this blanket idea that if you're older
Speaker 7: you automatically need to be tossed aside is just bad.
Speaker 6: But let's also say this, and I'm gonna call a
Speaker 6: name out and people whatever, take it how you wish.
Speaker 6: But I love Eleanor Holmes Norton with a passion. She's
Speaker 6: done so much for DC. She does not need to
Speaker 6: run for reelection.
Speaker 8: I mean agreed.
Speaker 6: I mean, there are there are certain people who we
Speaker 6: know who we see with our eyes like I mean,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's I guess it's people now look at
Speaker 6: it as like a Joe Biden test, right, that just
Speaker 6: don't need to be running for office again, and we
Speaker 6: need to be confident like Chuck Grassley doesn't need to
Speaker 6: be running for office again from the great state of Iowa.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is not a this is not a
Speaker 6: democratic problem. This is a problem I believe across the electorate.
Speaker 6: And I I think people give me more grief because
Speaker 6: I'm not afraid to like, we deal with these the
Speaker 6: three of us. We deal with these people consistently all
Speaker 6: the time. They're friends, many of them are friends. If
Speaker 6: they're not friends with us, they've been friends with our parents, right,
Speaker 6: So we have to be willing to hold them accountable.
Speaker 2: I think I don't. I don't find that to be
Speaker 2: out of the out of the ballpark.
Speaker 1: I agree on on on the on many of the points. One,
Speaker 1: there's really ever a retirement land. There's really ever a
Speaker 1: place to go when you when you leave a place
Speaker 1: like that. And let's just be honest, once you've been
Speaker 1: in a position to have that will, that kind of
Speaker 1: influence over the lives of people, it's very hard to
Speaker 1: find a place where you feel like your best and
Speaker 1: highest talents are being called upon and are utilized. And
Speaker 1: people don't want to be put out in the pasture
Speaker 1: when they're not ready for pasture. And so I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of leaving you know, people's term limits, what
Speaker 1: your opinion and aging out, you know, force retirement. D Look,
Speaker 1: if you are on a ballot that already exists, the
Speaker 1: voters are the arbiters of whether or not you get
Speaker 1: a term or you get your limit, and they you
Speaker 1: have to trust them to decide that for themselves. And
Speaker 1: they've been able to do that even against long term
Speaker 1: institutional names. Voters have gone out and shot you know,
Speaker 1: the system by turning you know, those kinds of people
Speaker 1: out or re electing them and saying go back and
Speaker 1: keep up the fight. I will say this as well,
Speaker 1: because you laid out some of my early credentials with
Speaker 1: development of young leaders and and and the young Lative
Speaker 1: Officials network is one of the things that it showed
Speaker 1: me as well. And I wasn't planning for this, but
Speaker 1: it showed me also who absolutely should.
Speaker 2: Not ever be in office again.
Speaker 1: And if I had a chance to put you out,
Speaker 1: I'd do it right now right. It's similar to this
Speaker 1: whole thing about all old people aren't created equal, all
Speaker 1: young people are not created equal, with equal talents, equal
Speaker 1: moral compass equal uh vision uh equal uh, philosophical development
Speaker 1: around what you believe that you know. The presidential Remember
Speaker 1: we talked a little while back about Gavin Newsom, and
Speaker 1: I don't have any I don't know him well. I
Speaker 1: think he helped with the fundraiser when I was running
Speaker 1: for governor and we met uh a few times. But
Speaker 1: my biggest issue is I feel like he's sort of
Speaker 1: sort of rediscovering a new version of himself politically that
Speaker 1: doesn't feel very connected to philosophical beliefs, but rather sort
Speaker 1: of you know this whole brow thing, right, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't get I don't know what it leads to. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I know that young white men are
Speaker 1: being attracted to the Republican Party and lure to them,
Speaker 1: and are lured by things like people who go to
Speaker 1: the gym and who have muscles, and who have pretty
Speaker 1: wives and girlfriends, and you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But is that what we're emulating? Like what is the derivative?
Speaker 1: What does that lead to? Because when you're president of
Speaker 1: the United States and you are quite virtually the most
Speaker 1: powerful person in the world, I really don't want you
Speaker 1: there figuring out whether or not your philosophical belief system
Speaker 1: exist or whether you have to invent it based off
Speaker 1: of either who's around you, the last person in the room,
Speaker 1: or how good person looks. And I'm not assigning those
Speaker 1: motives to him. I'm simply saying I don't really care
Speaker 1: as much about the age as much as I care
Speaker 1: about people being at home in themselves. Like I can
Speaker 1: say no very clearly. I'm so much more clear, and
Speaker 1: life has taught me some things that I didn't know
Speaker 1: when I first got in. I wasn't bad as an elected.
Speaker 2: When I first got in.
Speaker 1: I was extremely I felt energetic and curious and innovative,
Speaker 1: but also very pollyannish and am not always clear about
Speaker 1: why somebody was in front of me, what they were
Speaker 1: asking for, who was on the come up on the
Speaker 1: other end. So I just think that there are things
Speaker 1: that season you over time that ultimately will yield a
Speaker 1: better product for the people who put you there on
Speaker 1: their behalfs. So develop yourself first, develop your lifelosophical thinking
Speaker 1: and belief system, Develop your own moral compass, Develop where
Speaker 1: the red line to is that I will not go beyond,
Speaker 1: and then we can talk about you running.
Speaker 8: And then don't be afraid to evolve while you're in
Speaker 8: you should you know.
Speaker 6: You shouldn't it from somewhere You're right, I mean Andrews,
Speaker 6: and Andrew, that last portion of that uh soliloquy was
Speaker 6: just superb like it was. It was brilliant because I
Speaker 6: echo that sentiment all the time about because people come
Speaker 6: up to you that, like young people especially, I want
Speaker 6: to run for office.
Speaker 2: I want to run for office.
Speaker 6: I'm like dog, spend some time with yourself, like figure out.
Speaker 6: The other thing is we go into office broke, which
Speaker 6: leads to a lot of other persons about that. I
Speaker 6: mean that, you know, we we go into office thinking it.
Speaker 1: Could lead to a lot of our problems if the
Speaker 1: money is the value and you haven't thought about how
Speaker 1: you cover your Maslow's hierarchy of.
Speaker 7: Needs, and if you think that you might because my
Speaker 7: joys can do things that y'all came in office, Let's be.
Speaker 8: Clear about that.
Speaker 6: And I do think that I do think that Andrew,
Speaker 6: you and I and Angela to Angela as well are
Speaker 6: somewhat to blame because a lot of people see running
Speaker 6: for office as this kind of springboard to platforming themselves
Speaker 6: on TV or other things.
Speaker 2: Celebrity and you know the celebrity, the celebrity and politics thing.
Speaker 6: When I ran for office in two thousand and six,
Speaker 6: much like when you ran for office first, that wasn't
Speaker 6: a part of its celebrity and politics. Yeah, the celebrity
Speaker 6: and politics didn't really come along until you have Barack Obama,
Speaker 6: when people beganify and you had that intersection of politics, culture, sport,
Speaker 6: and entertainment. Right, that's when people were like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: you can go out and I mean you got political
Speaker 6: groupies now right. I mean it's just a fascinating type
Speaker 6: of of of a profession and it should.
Speaker 1: Be oh, of course, because you are the angel right
Speaker 1: the but but Caari building off that, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: Go to commercial after that.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I was just you're the thing that happens.
Speaker 1: I should to drop the mic.
Speaker 2: Sorry she felt anyway.
Speaker 1: But but is that there are those who we know
Speaker 1: are in the field who make it look easy, that
Speaker 1: that the way you experienced them, it seems so effortless.
Speaker 1: You actually convince yourself that there is no effort, that
Speaker 1: that that there's nothing that came before that amazing experience
Speaker 1: that you had with them. That you also feel like
Speaker 1: you can replicate like, oh, I think I can do that, right,
Speaker 1: But you know what there is more what what was that?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: This uld to be this commercial? Uh? And Alicia Key said,
Speaker 1: my overnight success has been decades in the making. So
Speaker 1: we see the highlight reel and think, oh, well, you
Speaker 1: know if I get getting that, and then I'm no,
Speaker 1: this has been building, this has been happening, this has
Speaker 1: been coming the whole hour. We're the same age, and
Speaker 1: I want to want and be what did what have
Speaker 1: you done? What has made you ready for the moment?
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean you had to have been elected before,
Speaker 1: but you bet I'd be able to tell me something
Speaker 1: about something that gives you the siffing spine that this
Speaker 1: is the work that you should be doing for others.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you should definitely go in intern for the person
Speaker 1: who is holding the seat that you think belonged to
Speaker 1: you or some other thing.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But I think there is an impression sometimes that there
Speaker 1: are those who make the thing look sort of effortless,
Speaker 1: that people think you can get it and then be
Speaker 1: effortless as well, And that just means unprepared, not ready
Speaker 1: for the moment. You're call flat footed at the first crisis,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So no, the Overnight story
Speaker 1: has been decades in the making.
Speaker 7: I want to just point out that you always make
Speaker 7: everything look so effortless. And for another one who makes
Speaker 7: things look effortless, Don who joined us today, he had
Speaker 7: to step out because he got legal stuff to deal
Speaker 7: with thanks to your crazy administration.
Speaker 8: But we're going to effortlessly. Now go to our CTAs
Speaker 8: where Don will rejoin us.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows.
Speaker 3: My call to action is to like and subscribe to
Speaker 3: the Donal Livan Show on YouTube, uh, on Twitch, on
Speaker 3: a substack on Instagram and all of the platforms, because
Speaker 3: this is the time, all the things, and it's very
Speaker 3: important that you support us because I'd believe that independent
Speaker 3: journalists are doing doing the work out here, boots on
Speaker 3: the ground, and I'm very happy to be in this
Speaker 3: space and sharing it with people like Joy Read, like
Speaker 3: Jim Acosta, like Georgia fort in Minnesota, and others who
Speaker 3: are out here like Roland Martin, Angela, Andrew.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Bacar. You kind of a hybrid,
Speaker 2: so I'm halfway proud of you. I'm kidding you know.
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of you to.
Speaker 4: Take it.
Speaker 2: I will take it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like and subscribe to the Donovan Show on YouTube, stack, twitch,
Speaker 3: everywhere you get your streaming.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 8: We're you're killing it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Oh to vote for me, vote for me for the
Speaker 3: four NAACP Image Awards that I was nominated for.
Speaker 8: So he's in our category. If he's in our category,
Speaker 8: vote for U.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, give them your second.
Speaker 3: I love you guys, and you I'm sure you love me,
Speaker 3: but you want people to vote for you, right, and
Speaker 3: I want people to vote for me.
Speaker 7: So but if you win in the tape, it'll be
Speaker 7: for our page. But yes, keep going. You can vote
Speaker 7: for him another three categories.
Speaker 6: Before I hop into my CTA's, I wanted to make
Speaker 6: sure I made two very very quick announcements. The first
Speaker 6: is that my sub stack is launching. It has launched.
Speaker 2: Check it out.
Speaker 6: Shout out to my team, Brian Fitz, shout out to
Speaker 6: Jerry Loho. It has written material for me. You can
Speaker 6: find everything from seeing in appearances, speaking in current speaking engagements,
Speaker 6: Native lampod, all of those things. Oh and my second
Speaker 6: announcement ties right into the Native lamp pod. Because every
Speaker 6: other Monday beginning on January twenty sixth, we're gonna kick
Speaker 6: off my solo pod, which is just going to be
Speaker 6: a little bit of time I spend with you, kind
Speaker 6: of live ish, I guess. I don't know talk to
Speaker 6: the producers about that, but we'll be talking about sports, entertainment, politics, culture,
Speaker 6: all the things that you want us to cover. And
Speaker 6: I think that's important to note right before I get
Speaker 6: into my call to action. My my call to action
Speaker 6: is very simple. I always tell people, particularly young people,
Speaker 6: that the most important currency in this country, in the
Speaker 6: world that you have the then you should cultivate more
Speaker 6: than money, is relationships. And my relationship with Don Lemon
Speaker 6: has been something that has been amazing from a very
Speaker 6: long period of time, from when Caputo called me boy
Speaker 6: uh during the commercial break of the Don Lemon Show,
Speaker 6: uh too, when he he was just like.
Speaker 2: Breathe that was Matt slap. I didn't mean computo match slap.
Speaker 2: You're right, And do you know who is on show? Mark?
Speaker 6: I was thinking about the other I was thinking about
Speaker 6: the other computo in my head, not Mark, but the
Speaker 6: other one.
Speaker 2: But it was Matt slap. But yeah, I know he was.
Speaker 2: I know he was never on the show again. But
Speaker 2: you you meant so much to us.
Speaker 6: And I don't think I think that, you know, for
Speaker 6: a long period of time, for a long period of time,
Speaker 6: you got uh somewhat deserving le an interesting reception from
Speaker 6: black folks. But over the past, over the past decade,
Speaker 6: it was the thing in Missouri for me. But over
Speaker 6: the past decade, I don't think I wasn't lying. I
Speaker 6: don't let me finished. I don't think that people realize
Speaker 6: how much you have helped bring black voices onto TV.
Speaker 6: Giving myself an opportunity, Angela Rian opportunity, Andrew gilliam an opportunity,
Speaker 6: Simone Sander's an opportunity. Because the way it works is
Speaker 6: the white folk at these networks they go to black
Speaker 6: folk that they know and say, are they gonna be good?
Speaker 6: Is it okay? And you put us on your show.
Speaker 6: You let us have that freedom, You let us be
Speaker 6: able to get our thoughts out. And so my call
Speaker 6: to action is to say, build relationships, value relationships, and
Speaker 6: also give people their flowers while they're living.
Speaker 2: And so thank you. Don I know you're getting up
Speaker 2: there in age, so I just wanted to say thank you.
Speaker 8: It's some distressing well, Andrew, my call to action.
Speaker 7: As you all can probably imagine, my Seahawks are still
Speaker 7: in the NFL playoffs and so I just want to
Speaker 7: drop this song, real quick call to action to support
Speaker 7: the Hawks.
Speaker 1: My born three one two three, and I'm not gonna have.
Speaker 8: A licensing issues. My friend dras song.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I about to say.
Speaker 8: To the dark side, boy my mentality.
Speaker 2: Can we say mos we mean miss welcome to the
Speaker 2: dark side. When you see that blue and green.
Speaker 14: No, it's my tie, depending every blade of grass when
Speaker 14: we couldn't lie and seattle when it's ringing.
Speaker 3: And we outside, yeah, we outside of everybody.
Speaker 2: Outside, whole shitty going up like a sun. Times you're hungry,
Speaker 2: we can provide.
Speaker 4: Some beef up front and pancakes from my own line.
Speaker 2: And Murphy is that?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 6: I got a big cat, but they allergic to the
Speaker 6: beat on the West Coast sometimes.
Speaker 4: You do something.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's enough, all right, Andrew?
Speaker 8: What's your call as you're such a hater just because
Speaker 8: you don't have no.
Speaker 2: You we had the Carolina Panthers, right, we are all
Speaker 2: lemon heads. I love it, you like it, y'all.
Speaker 1: Mine is quick and easy. I just this weekend, of course,
Speaker 1: spend the time with my kids, and one of them
Speaker 1: asked me, Daddy, are we such and such and such,
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I know I am, but you
Speaker 1: will one day get to decide for yourself what you
Speaker 1: are and what you believe, what you believe in, and
Speaker 1: whether you support a thing or you don't. You know,
Speaker 1: I just encourage you to, you know, really stay honest
Speaker 1: with how you feel, and don't let your friends around you,
Speaker 1: you know, try to tell you to believe or to
Speaker 1: do a thing just because they're doing it. And I
Speaker 1: guess what that reminded me of is just the the
Speaker 1: significant importance of helping our children to very honestly think
Speaker 1: for themselves. There are things, obviously at certain ages you
Speaker 1: have to be directive about. And then I think there
Speaker 1: are things and moments that just happen through the course
Speaker 1: of your exchange with your kids at dinner or in
Speaker 1: the day, over the weekends, at night, whatever that might
Speaker 1: cause us to possibly, instead of taking the parent assertive,
Speaker 1: this is the this, and this is that to coach
Speaker 1: them through ways to sort of think and develop for
Speaker 1: themselves some critical thinking skills that you know, I think
Speaker 1: might be the best gift that we can give to
Speaker 1: our children is in this world where everybody seems like
Speaker 1: sheep following one, you know, the leader, because it's the leader.
Speaker 1: We need some people who are willing to say, well,
Speaker 1: that's not what I think, that's not what I believe, uh,
Speaker 1: and to feel comfortable in doing that without going along
Speaker 1: to get along.
Speaker 8: That's good.
Speaker 1: That's it, y'all. So you've got our directives, our admonishments,
Speaker 1: our assignments. If you will, we want to put an
Speaker 1: assignment out for you, which is keep those videos, questions,
Speaker 1: comments thoughts coming our direction, because if I'm not mistaken, y'all,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking on our mini pod about questions
Speaker 1: that we've gotten over the last couple of weeks that
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to and we want to make sure
Speaker 1: we get to those. So stay tuned for that. Don
Speaker 1: As always, it's always been a pleasure because we've always
Speaker 1: been on your platforms coming and you know you asking
Speaker 1: all the questions, and I thought you were doing that
Speaker 1: a little bit here, like, well, let me get to
Speaker 1: the substance of that in the what what makes you
Speaker 1: feel this way? I felt that because you're a journalist
Speaker 1: and truth that at heart and you do a damn
Speaker 1: good job at it. We're so fortunate to have you
Speaker 1: with us on nail lampid. I hope you enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: because we enjoyed you.
Speaker 3: I love being here. You guys know that you are
Speaker 3: my brothers and sisters. Angela you you know how I
Speaker 3: feel about you. Bacari, Come on, I love your wife
Speaker 3: more than Ellen is mine. That most people most people do,
Speaker 3: but I do have to say that I really do
Speaker 3: miss you, Andrew, and I still have one. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you ever if you remember this, just to
Speaker 3: show how kind you are. We were sitting on the
Speaker 3: set in Washington, DC covering something, some craziness that happened.
Speaker 2: It's probably a Trump thing, I don't know. And you
Speaker 2: had on this beautiful bracelet and I said, man, I
Speaker 2: really liked that bracelet. What is it? And you said
Speaker 2: that it was bullets? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: And you gave me that bracelet and I do still
Speaker 3: have it to hollowed out bullets, and I still have
Speaker 3: that and I will never That just showed me just
Speaker 3: what a generous heart that you have.
Speaker 2: And so he had two of them. I said, I
Speaker 2: like it, and you're like, you can have it and
Speaker 2: I was like, thank you. He got him for free.
Speaker 2: He had two of them, so.
Speaker 1: Bullocks for life. Check it out in Miami. Uh, and
Speaker 1: you'll learn all about it. Don I do remember that,
Speaker 1: I remember it well. We asked some other conversations too.
Speaker 1: We won't just mention those here though. No.
Speaker 7: Well, I am so grateful that you came on, Don,
Speaker 7: and we are, you know, rooting for you absolutely and
Speaker 7: Bakari and I'm signing him up even though he can
Speaker 7: be a little greedy. We are here as pro bono
Speaker 7: council for you if you need support on this non.
Speaker 6: Already I already called him. I don't know what pro
Speaker 6: bono means, but I already called him.
Speaker 2: He said, you know, I got you, and I said
Speaker 2: pro bono and he goes, what language is that? I'm glad?
Speaker 1: Oh lord, I thank you.
Speaker 2: Continued success. Okay, welcome home, welcome home, come home, Thank you,
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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