WEBVTT - Part One: The Surprisingly Complicated History of Halloween 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.120 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.000 Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.280 which is a show that I didn't just introduce badly 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.039 and then make Ian our audio engineer cut out the 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.640 entire last two minutes of I have a guest. It's 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:18.079 Jamie Jamie Loftus. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:20.200 Hi Jamie, Hi, Margaret, how are you. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:21.880 I'm doing pretty good. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.760 I liked your first intro, but but I kind of 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.320 liked that. Now it's just sort of just between us. 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.040 It's the secret one. It's just us and Sophie, who's 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.840 the producer. Hi, Sophie, I and that's how you were doing. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.800 But I felt as noted. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.440 I fell on my face right before we started to record, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.800 because I was trying not to be like because I'm a. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.920 Hero, yeah, but my own but my own villain. I 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:56.560 decided long ago that I would never become injured for 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.000 a podcast. It only has to happen once. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.680 It really realize for the podcast, it cannot happen. It 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.240 was for you, two lovely ladies who all thanks. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:08.560 Yeah, so I bleed for you. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:09.160 You're welcome. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:11.440 Did you bleed totally? 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:13.120 Oh? 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.440 You look so you don't look like someone who just 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.080 was bleeding. And I mean that is the highest. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:23.040 Bar there are, Like on Zoom, they do have features 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:24.959 that make you look better looking than you actually are. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.880 That's while what if you were absolutely gushing blood from 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.960 your head and we just couldn't tell. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.240 You'll never know. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.640 Yeah, there's like a threshold where it brings up a 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:41.640 little bar like warning, please call emergency services. And until then. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:49.160 I went bird watching the other day, brag you. Yeah, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.360 you know, I was kind of taking in nature, appreciating 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.840 the world for once. But I was with my friend 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.880 who's a big bird watcher, and he had this bird 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:03.080 watching app that basically runs audio. Wow, it's really cool 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.880 and then you could like hear the birds around you. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:09.800 The exchange there, though, is that you that it sends 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.720 the audio to the autobund society, including whatever conversation you're 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.640 having with your friend while you're on a walk. And 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.880 so my friend do is like, I know, like I 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.800 want to catch up, but like, don't talk shit because 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.160 this is going to the autobun society. I was like, 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.880 this is the most bizarre surveillance technology. And then I 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.839 went horror movie brain and I was like, what if 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:36.720 you killed me right now? And the only evidence the 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.680 autobund society had and they didn't even know because they're like, oh, 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.799 look yet another Canadian goose. You know, not a lot 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.120 of this one. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:52.320 Explain why you listeners can't see this, But Jamie is 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.800 actually translucent. I can see the wall behind her right now. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:59.880 That actually makes a lot of sense. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.480 Yeah, I mean, I was trying to be festive, but. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.960 Yes, well, oh wait, I'm not supposed to tell. First 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.919 I have to finish the rest of the introduction, which 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:16.720 is our audio engineer is Ian Hien Hi Ianan. Our 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.280 theme music was written for us by un woman, and 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.200 you all will be shocked to know that this week, 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.840 of all weeks, we're going to talk about a really 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:31.919 obscure hipster holiday that no one's talking about called Halloween. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:33.000 You ever heard Halloween? 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.000 Oh? Boy? Have I? I was really hoping this would 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.200 be this would be what we're talking about. Yes, I've 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.120 heard of it. But I'm sure there's things I don't know. 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:45.760 I think there'll be things that you don't know, and 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.400 then ironically, there'll be things that we think we know 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.560 that actually we don't know. But I can't say are 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.240 actually wrong, but I can say are less certain than 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.840 everyone says. Because if there's one thing I have learned. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.880 It's that everyone who confidently says they know the history 0:03:59.920 --> 0:04:00.920 of Halloween is lying. 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.320 I love that, and I'm sure that I've done that 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:04.960 at some point. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.280 It's so fun to find. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.800 Seemingly innocuous topics that everyone needs to feel like they 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.280 have a grip on, but they can't tell you why 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.880 they need to feel as if they have a grip 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:25.680 on it. Well, what, kid, when did you learn the truth? 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.920 Contrasted with what did you think that? Were you far 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.720 off from what the truth is now that you know? 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.200 Okay? So I came into it being like, all right, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.000 I'm going to do a Halloween episode, and I'm going 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.279 to talk about Halloween. I'm gonna talk about Sowin, right, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:44.040 the Celtic holiday that, by most popular imagination and with 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.159 some truth, is the precursor of Halloween. Right, But it's 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:53.919 like not as much, and it's complicated because everything that 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.920 has to do with like, like most of the shit 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.520 that I research, the problem is that there's like not enough, 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.880 like there's not enough information about it. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:03.640 Okay. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.120 The problem with fucking Halloween is that there's too much 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:10.720 information about it, and it's all stated confidently by experts, 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:16.479 and it all disagrees with itself and God, we're just 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:21.240 going to get into it. We're gonna okay, yeah, I'm curious, 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:22.880 where are you coming at with it? 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.599 The closest I got, I mean, I think I have 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:30.200 the general like under I understood it more to be. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.200 I knew that it had had Celtic roots, like I've 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.159 obviously heard it, but that was not something I got into. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.640 I had an uncle, have an uncle he's still with us, 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:47.320 who is a witch. That's how he chooses to identify 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:52.560 because he found the term warlock to be humiliating and gendered, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.159 and so he identifies as which he lives in the Carolinas. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:01.320 And my understanding being oh yeah, oh yeah, because he's 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.799 been on a podcast of mine, Uncle Dennis. Uncle, Oh shit, Uncle, 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.680 he's there if you're gonna talk, So he's like a 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.000 medium and if you're gonna, you know, commune with your dead, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.800 you better do it with my uncle Dennis, who has 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.760 the thickest New England accent on the face of the planet, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.560 where he's like, you're in national in life, you're a 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:23.520 national in death. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:24.440 Whatever. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.760 But his his whole thing was like this is uh, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.600 you know, this is a holiday that is important in 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.440 the pagan like to me as a pagan, and it 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:40.680 was taken from us and turned into corporate bullshit. And 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.120 that was sort of the narrative that I was raised 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.440 in that I'm sure is uh it was. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.080 It seemed to be an emotionally driven thing for him. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.839 But I appreciated his punk rock spirit uh in being 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.039 angry at I forget, like there's a specific you know, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.599 corporate entity that he felt it really take, you know, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.360 spirit has really taken things from us. But I mean, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.560 I love I Unfortunately, I'll take Halloween in any of 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.120 its forms, including the corny corporate sense struggle. I struggle 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.200 with my anti capitalist views this time of year. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.880 I actually think that pretty much all of them have 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:26.280 a legitimate claim the Halloween. Like I think, Well, we'll 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.880 get into it, and I will also say the one 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.320 thing that will definitely come out of this is that 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:34.000 your uncle Dennis is absolutely historically accurate to call himself 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:34.320 a witch. 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.960 Yeah, okay, I'm sure he knows that, and I just 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.240 like I just didn't. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:46.080 I didn't until like when I wrote this script. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.119 Shout out to my witch uncle. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.560 Yeah, you ever heard of a holiday? Well, okay, so 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.160 we're gonna talk about swin Okay, and we're gonna talk 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.720 about Halloween, and we're gonna talk about Lemuria, and we're 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.000 going to talk about all Hallows tied. We're going to 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.320 talk about witch hunts. We're going to talk about folklore. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.880 We're going to talk about why evangelicals hate Halloween and 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.600 are actually wrong in the way that they hate Halloween. Like, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.320 fuck them, they shouldn't get to have nice things. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.600 But like sure, I mean, but I feel bad for 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:20.000 evangelical kids that, like you're like this child deeply wants 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:24.640 to be bluey and yet and yet I'm excited. Yeah, 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.360 because it is. It is an amalgam of like five 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.200 different holidays and concepts. Okay, cool, Yeah, And. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:32.880 Of course we're going to tie it into the enclosure 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.800 of the Commons. Don't worry. I know you were worried 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.600 about whether or not I would tie the lead enclosure 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:37.200 of the Commons. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:37.959 I was losing it. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:42.560 Yeah, But anything that happens in medieval England I can 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.320 tie into that easy. So normally I go back like 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.080 two thousand years to start off, and I go like 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.320 as far back to context, But this time I'm actually 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.440 going to start with a really quick overview of like 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:57.720 where we are now because I only grew up with Halloween, right, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.000 I didn't grow up celebrating All Saints Day, All Souls Day. 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:06.040 But it's a three day holiday in Christianity, especially Catholicism, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.720 called All hallow Tide. Have you ever heard of All 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:10.440 hollow Tide? 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:11.560 No? 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:12.880 No, I had neither. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.200 Yeah, it was like and we both grew up I 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:15.760 know Christian. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:22.680 Yeah, no, yeah, I've heard of its component pieces, which 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.280 is that October thirty first, we have All Hallows Eve, Halloween, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.240 November one, that's All Saints Day, November two is All 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:35.280 Souls Day, and it's the Christian holiday for remembering and 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:42.200 honoring the dead, especially family and ancestors. But the right 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.680 wing evangelicals absolutely fucking hate it for being pagan and strange. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.560 And only forty nine percent of US Evangelical Christians celebrate 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.920 Halloween like quote unquote fully. The rest either don't celebrate 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.800 it at all or they refuse to celebrate the pagan elements. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.720 What is when they say fully, do they mean like 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:10.280 they're not you know, like microdosing like that to me 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.040 is a full Halloween, Like you can do the diet 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.480 version of it, but you know, where's the fun in that. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.760 Yeah, they're not watching song and like them. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.680 Wait, they're not watching every Saw movie back to back, 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.640 no pe breaks allowed. Is that I'm not doing it 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.240 all the way. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.320 I watch horror movies at the time of year, but 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.520 I don't watch like gore porn ones, and so it's 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.280 like very hard. I keep trying to find the ones 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.920 that are like like and people then if they want 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.680 to show me horror movies, they're like, oh, well, someone 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.760 gets they're face peeled off in this one, And I'm like, look, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.559 one face peeled off is okay for me. It's a movie. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.839 If it's called like face Peeler seven, It's like. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.839 Not for me, right, I used to. It's only been 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:00.280 in the past five years that I've really gotten into 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.440 it particularly. I mean I really love the Saw movies. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.840 I think once I once I really locked into the 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:11.079 Jigsaw lore I tried to make. I was writing for 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.640 a cartoon this year and I wrote a character called well, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.760 I didn't name the character, but it's called jug Saw, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.800 which is like big titty Jigsaw. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.559 And I was thinking jug Head is now Saw. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.720 No no, no, no, that you were thinking too hard? 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.679 Yeah, what if Jigsaw had big old Jugs was sort 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.760 of as far as I thought. I do, I do 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.800 like those movies, but I but I also think that, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.200 you know, the holiday. I'm wondering the holiday is like 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.480 inherent conflation with extreme violence, if that actually comes from 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.400 anywhere outside of its association with the concept of death. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.720 I couldn't quite tell you the answer to that, but 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.240 I can. But there will be a lot of really 0:11:54.400 --> 0:12:01.400 horrible shit happening, oh good from the state, Okay, the 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.600 true horror of all history. Okay, at some point, but 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.760 not right now. I really want to get into like 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.440 talking more about the the feminist implications of like gore 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.040 porn movies and why so many women are obsessed with 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.680 them and like obsessed with movies that focus around misog 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.640 just violence and stuff like that, and how it can 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.280 actually be a vehicle for like really interesting things and 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:28.320 like like but that's another time, I guess. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.480 But I mean we could just talk about that on 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.760 the phone, yeah, because okay, great, Yeah, because it's a 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.120 whole like I yeah, I feel like I've not I 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:41.000 know so many people who have had a bizarre journey 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.240 with that in the last like decade, myself included where 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.200 I used to like this time ten years ago, there's 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.640 no way I would. But then I don't know what 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.839 it is about like aging, where you're like, no, I 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.480 do want to see what Jigsaw is going to do 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.000 to this woman's leg? 0:12:58.880 --> 0:12:59.840 Why? 0:12:59.640 --> 0:12:59.800 Why? 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.000 And why is that my politics have not changed, they've 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.200 grown more intensive anything, But I am open to seeing 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.000 what Jigsaw is gonna do with the leg. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:12.319 Right, Okay, there's so much to it, but but yeah, okay, 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.840 so okay. So one of the reasons is really funny 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.520 that the page sorry, the evangelicals refuse to celebrate the 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.760 pagan elements. There's a chance that none is pagan. There's 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.880 a chance that it's like all chriss. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.720 Okay, oh god, the what a bummer? 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:28.040 Oops? 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.320 All christian? Uh. 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.000 I would argue that if you're part of a theological 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.720 tradition that worships a dead guy or pagan and strange anyway, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:41.400 it's fine, true, but like the weird delineation between like, well, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:46.240 I only believe in like one strange supernatural creature who's 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:47.239 kind of three. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:53.960 Yes categories to this ununderstandable being. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.840 Yeah. So okay, that's the current holiday that evangelicals refuse 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.320 to and some of it probably does come from paganism. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:07.040 But it's like it's it's just all messy. Okay, all right, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.760 Now we go thousands of years in the past, instead 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.760 of immediately tracing into Sowen, the Celtic holiday that looks 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.760 like it should be pronounced sam hayne if people are 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:19.040 wondering what word I'm saying, we're instead going to it 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.800 gets the modern date from Swyen and some other stuff, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.520 and we'll talk about that, okay, But I'm gonna draw 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.680 on a different lineage first, because Sowyen isn't the first 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:31.400 place that the Christian holiday drew from. It came from 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:34.960 a holiday called Lemuria. You ever heard of Lemuria? The holiday? 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.240 No, it sounds if you if you asked me what 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.280 is Lamuria, I would say, I don't know. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.200 It sounds like a skin disease. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.160 Yeah, but yeah, no, I don't know what it is. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.160 The most famous Limuria isn't what I'm going to talk 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.680 about today. The most famous Lamuria. And I'm ranking this 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.000 by the one that gets a Wikipedia page, okay without 0:14:58.320 --> 0:14:59.840 one of them is Lamuria, and then one of them 0:14:59.920 --> 0:15:03.040 is Lemuria holiday or whatever you know. Okay, the most 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.400 famous one is a fictional continent it's kind of an 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.120 Atlantis of the Indian Ocean. Ooh, that was all the 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.440 rage in nineteenth century occultism. 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:19.080 Nineteenth century occultism just a bottomless pit of weirdo shit. Okay, okay, 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.360 not surprised to hear, Lo Maria. This is also the 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.840 same time where people are like the Acashic Records, the 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.920 Infinite Library, that's vaguely fascistic, and you're just like, sure, guys. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.400 It exactly, and this thing still the continent still has 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:38.360 weird cultural influences today. Incorrect people claim this continent is 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.360 where humans come from, that the first humans were called Limurians, 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.680 the continent, it's going to all tie together. The continent 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.440 gets its name from lemurs, which are the cute little 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:50.800 animals that look like squirrel monkeys. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.360 Timon, No, that's no way, that's a mere cat. No, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:55.560 Timon's a mere cat. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:56.440 Oh it's okay. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.680 So I only understand things out of Gascar. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:03.480 I couldn't tell you. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:10.640 Oh, they're the little They're like the FBI of Madagascar. Okay, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.600 I understand the FBI. Okay. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.600 I think I was gonna pretend like I just got it, 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:18.240 but they don't. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.840 As I said, I'm like that's maybe a dishonest. They're like, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.600 they're well, if you view the FBI as criminals, the 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.680 lemurs they're always you know, pulling little operations. Oh okay, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:35.360 and they're generally considered to be you know, negative operations. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.760 So that's why I think of them as the FBI. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.200 Okay, see this actually does tie into where they get 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:45.840 their names. But okay, so lemurs. People were like, why 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.320 are there lemur fossils in Madagascar and also the Indian 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.280 subcontinent And they're not technically lemur fossils, but they're like 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.080 close right and not in the land in between the two. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.840 And so the answer the actual answers continental drift. Probably 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.560 I lost a good chunk of my life skimming scholarly 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.040 articles about this before realizing this is like a tangent 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.800 of a tangent of a tangent of my point, uh huh. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.320 But the important thing is it's not there because of 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.359 a mysterious continent that has disappeared. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:14.399 Okay. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.760 The Lemurs they get their name from the Latin lemorez, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:24.400 which is ghosts. It is the Latin for ghosts. Whoa Okay, Lemurs, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:29.639 like the FBI move at night and our spooky and 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:30.119 are scary. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:31.560 Yeah, they're scary to us personally. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:36.199 Yeah, yeah, exactly, much like lemurs have fucked with my 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:45.560 friends and so lemores, the Latin one, right, the Roman one. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.399 If you have them in your house, If you have 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.840 ghosts in your house, what are you gonna do about it? 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:53.600 Call a lemur? 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.680 Basically, Yeah, you have to wait till early May for 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.200 the feast days of Lamur. Yeah, which was May ninth, eleventh, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.720 and thirteenth. I don't know if it had to like 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.240 only be odd days or if they were like we 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.080 need a break between our feasts or what. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.040 Okay, yeah, you sort of need a day to let 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:11.960 it course through. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.040 Yeah, I like that. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.760 I liked maybe it was just pooh days, like all right, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.840 we're on one day and then we got to really 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:21.920 just pooh the next day. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.159 Yeah. But then, yeah, that's pretty much almost certainly what happened. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.320 There's only one guy whoever wrote about Le Maria. His 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.000 name was Ovid, and he wrote about it a long 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.880 ass time ago, so he actually knew a bit about 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.640 what he was talking about. So we have one account 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:38.320 of Lo Maurria. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:44.560 Okay, are we talking like the ancient poet? 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:45.119 Yeah? 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:49.880 Yeah, oh okay, okay, Yeah. 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:54.280 So possibly even more apocor foolish. There was a holiday 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:59.679 called Ramia, which was the celebration of Remus, the brother 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.960 of Romulus, who yeah, like. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.520 The way that Rome started titty sucker guys. 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:11.520 Yeah, yeah, since Rome's founding myth as two brothers got 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.800 into a pointless fucking argument and one killed the other 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.800 and now here we are, which makes sense for Rome 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:22.639 and basically all of European civilization that's descended from it. Yeah, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.320 so there might have been a celebration called Ramuria, which 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.560 was like after they're like, hey, like remember me, bro, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.000 you know, don't let people forget me. Like the ghost 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.840 came back and was like, there must be a holiday 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:35.199 for me. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.480 I mean that kind of endears me to him, honestly, 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.520 because you're like, I guess if you could, you would 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:44.119 want to, right. 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.719 Yeah. I spent about three hours trying to figure out 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.560 if there's symbolism between Romulus versus u Rimus in terms 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:53.640 of like something that I could like tie it into 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.920 some other shit. They both were probably just dicks who 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:57.920 fucking killed each other. 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.879 Yeah, just brother things. You're like, this happens in litters 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.200 of kittens all the time. 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.760 Yeah, exactly exactly. I was like, well, is it like 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.840 a Cane and Abel thing? And then I found out 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.960 that there's just a fuck ton of stories from the 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.480 ye oldie times that. 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.560 Like so wild, Like sorry, can finish your that. 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.840 Oh, just there's so many fratricide stories in like every 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.760 part of everything that we have written down from a 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:25.639 long ast time ago. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.359 There's just like so much of history that you're like 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.400 that you it just boils down to like two then 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.760 there were these two guys, and you're like, what, I 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.480 hate that that has impact on my life right now 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:43.639 that there once there was two guys. Honestly, I learned it. 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:48.720 I saw this gigantic painting last weekend of the Crucifixion. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.720 Uh huh lungs. It was while I was bird watching. 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.080 I came across this large paint just in the middle 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.719 of the field. Yeah. You know, it may have been 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:03.120 a vision, You've had a christ like vision, but it 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:07.680 was I was at this at Forest Lawn Cemetery birdwatching 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.000 and they have this huge crucifixion painting for whatever reason, 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.480 and I learned about the two guys that Jesus got 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:16.480 crucified with. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.359 Yeah, they're thieves right to God. 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:20.480 Just two guys. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:21.760 I didn't know about these two guys. 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:23.399 I didn't pay attention in Sunday school. 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.040 But there are two guys. Yeah, the good thief and 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.000 the unrepentant thief. And their name's Rhyme, which is hilarious, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.720 dismis and guestus. And you're like, and there's just a 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:40.600 whole exhibit on these two other guys. Anyways, I oppose once. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:41.680 There was two culture. 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.119 Yeah, it's a lot of history that people care about. 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:51.640 Anyways, Well, you know what else people care about. They 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:57.679 care about buying objects instead of finding them in a field. 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.320 Although if you work hard enough at it, I'm sure 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.359 you could find any of the things that are about 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:07.199