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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky and jooky. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. He's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I ghosted.

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Speaker 3: I not nandas.

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Speaker 4: Plle.

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Speaker 2: Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to you Ghosted

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Speaker 2: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

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Speaker 2: that I like about the paranormal.

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Speaker 3: People.

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Speaker 2: David Dysmalchin. I mean nothing, nothing about this guy is

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Speaker 2: uh is your run of the mill. He's even got

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Speaker 2: just truly the coolest. He was on the pod last

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Speaker 2: year and he just gave us so much deep conversation,

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Speaker 2: amazing storytelling and one of my favorite stories I've heard

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Speaker 2: in a minute.

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Speaker 1: We get on this.

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Speaker 2: Episode today, so just like the last time I had

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Speaker 2: him on, we get all deep. We start talking about

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Speaker 2: a dicktion and what the world means in the universe

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Speaker 2: and just all this stuff. And I'm like, okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not pulling up my silly haunted dolls in my

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Speaker 2: what's this ghost trying to say?

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Speaker 1: Tell me?

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Speaker 2: I just skipped it this time and we just have

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Speaker 2: a nice deep conversation. I hope you enjoy I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: sure you will. He's an amazing actor as well. If

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Speaker 2: you've never seen his work, the guy, He's been a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff and he's very talent. I'm obsessed with him. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with him. Before we get into that, I'll

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Speaker 2: just tell you I am still toward the end of

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Speaker 2: the tour. I got a couple more dates.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing DC Los Angeles back at the Cavern Club,

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Speaker 2: which has finally reopened in Silver Lake. All those dates

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Speaker 2: are raz Hernandez tour dot com. I've been traveling NonStop.

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Speaker 2: We are recording this on one of my little off

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Speaker 2: the time of my life and I'm getting to meet

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Speaker 2: so many of you, and I just I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: all for listening and supporting me and this weird stuff

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 2: It's the second episode with David Dysmalchin.

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Speaker 1: On with the show. Well, yes for it, people.

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Speaker 2: You kept begging me to get him back, and I

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Speaker 2: can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: It's it's happening.

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Speaker 2: He is back. David Dysmulchin.

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Speaker 4: Oh nailed it ross. Your fans must be masochists. They

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Speaker 4: want me back. I really appreciate that though, Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: People were obsd when you were on last time.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Because let me tell you, most of the time these

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Speaker 2: people would get on the show, tell me, oh god,

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Speaker 2: just monsters. They got nothing, they got nothing to say.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where they find these people. But then

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Speaker 2: every once in a while we get a David Dysmulchin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what I want to be for you,

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Speaker 4: Like when you Instacart or you you know, you order

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Speaker 4: groceries from Dave Dismalchen. He has to go run a

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Speaker 4: second car. He's going to bring so much to your doorstep.

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Speaker 4: I want to leave it there for you. Roz, your

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Speaker 4: show is so awesome. You are so awesome. Like my

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Speaker 4: we've been talking about this stuff since we were kids,

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Speaker 4: and it's all the stuff that we still talk about

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Speaker 4: all the time. So when you started to rise from

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Speaker 4: and I go, who the fuck is this person? They

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Speaker 4: really cool. It's nice to be a fan of someone

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Speaker 1: Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, but also you got to follow what

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, now the pressure's on.

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Speaker 2: This is the second don't don't fuck itt up second?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well this could be my empire strikes back. Let's

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Speaker 4: be honest. Sometimes the second installment is even better than

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Speaker 2: I do love your backdrop. You have a fire going.

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Speaker 2: You're so vincent price.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's June in La. Why not have a

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Speaker 4: fire going? Right, That's what I say.

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Speaker 2: You got candles, You've got I see a half moon.

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Speaker 2: I mean you you really are spooky a little bit

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Speaker 2: we're conjuring.

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Speaker 4: Over here, we're manifesting, and we're ritualizing all of the

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Speaker 4: good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I feel like last time you were on, we heard

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Speaker 2: So I feel like we should just just go through it.

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Speaker 4: Let's go, let's do it. Here we go, Well, let's.

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Speaker 1: Start with aliens. Do you believe in it? Do you

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, unquestionably? Do I believe that there is intelligent life

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Speaker 4: It was all happening and processing so quickly, and he's like,

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00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: but yeah, he goes like, there's not a ton of

434
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 4: blues and it's really wonderful. You know, when they contact

435
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 4: you and I'd like to show you more if you

436
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 4: want to come with me. I can take you to

437
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 4: the bat cave.

438
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: So the bat cave.

439
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 4: This is what he says, to the batcave. Now, remember

440
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 4: in Seattle, if you've ever visited, there's an underground city

441
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 4: right below. It begins like right below Kimyer's Square, and

442
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 4: it was where the city used to exist before they

443
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 4: had to elevate it because of whatever you know, geological

444
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 4: or other stuff of a one hundred years ago, pointing to

445
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: like an area down the way that's going to lead

446
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 4: to a place. It's going to lead to a place.

447
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: And you know what, Roz, I just got scared, and

448
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 4: I just I just said, thank you. I don't think

449
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 4: I can go to the bat cave to day goes

450
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 4: It's okay, no worries, whenever you're ready, And he just

451
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 4: saunters back across the square and like gave me a

452
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 4: Charlie Chaplin kind of wave. Didn't dance for a little bit.

453
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 4: I was sitting there contemplating, now, going, am I going

454
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 4: to regret that I didn't go to the back cave?

455
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 4: Should I do it? Should I do it? And then

456
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: he just disappeared and I never saw him again.

457
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to be in Seattle in a couple

458
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: of weeks and I'm gonna go look for this man

459
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: and I'll see what he says about the blues in

460
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: the back cave. This is crazy. So are you ready

461
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: now to know what that means?

462
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 4: Now? It's forty nine absolutely, and you know what's you

463
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 4: know what's what sucks about it, though, is the part

464
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: of me that is curious and as a believer and

465
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 4: wants to believe, want so badly to go and see

466
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 4: whatever the control center of the bat Cave is all about.

467
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 4: Whatever it is that I'm going to be illuminated with

468
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 4: sounds so incredibly fascinating to me. And then at the

469
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 4: same time I go, the pragmatist is like, yeah, what

470
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: if you go and you're just like, you're looking at

471
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: the hovel of a unhoused, unwell person who just has

472
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 4: dangling a bunch of pieces of trash. That is like,

473
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: welcome to the bat cave. And here is so I'm like,

474
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: I'm afraid of seeing the truth. I'm also afraid of

475
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: getting my hopes up and then being disappointed. And that's

476
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 4: been a theme my whole life and it's one of

477
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 4: the things I think that to me is the most

478
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 4: fascinating and scary and unifying, whether people care to admit

479
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: it or not, about why the beyond being the common

480
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 4: denominator for all of us. I mean, eventually, we're all

481
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: going to shed these mortal coils and we're going to

482
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: either just go fade to black, or we're going to

483
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 4: discover something else. We're going to get some kind of

484
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: answer or we're not. But it's like that's the stuff

485
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 4: that I still But right now I would have said, oh, sure,

486
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 4: let's go, because I feel like I can take care

487
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: of myself. I don't think this I got. I listened

488
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 4: to my instincts. I think everyone needs to learn how

489
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 4: to listen to their gut. Sometimes I ignore. It always

490
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 4: gets me in trouble when I ignore my gut. When

491
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: I listen to my gut, when I listen to my

492
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 4: little god voice, I'm safe. And that person in no

493
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: way was flagging any of my cautionary alarms.

494
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: Well maybe there will be another opportunity for you to

495
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: be contacted by this. Did you ever see blue lights, sir? Anything?

496
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: The only other experiences that I had, and a lot

497
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 4: of them were around that time. We're so drug affected

498
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 4: that I don't I don't I don't give them much agency,

499
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 4: and that's that's okay. Some people have had like drug fueled,

500
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 4: incredibly true prophetic experience. I mean, I'll say, you know, forever,

501
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: I'm twenty three years clean and sober. I don't use drugs,

502
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: alcohol or anything to this point other than good old fashioned,

503
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: you know, advilain, whatever my doctor thinks I need. But

504
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: I think that some of the things that I'm like,

505
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: not that they're not that they weren't true or real

506
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: to me at the time, but they're just they're always

507
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: they always have that like asterisk on them, like right,

508
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 4: and I was on a pound of mushrooms or I

509
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 4: was on, you know, a hit of acid. So I

510
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 4: think it's it's the stories when I was fully present

511
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 4: and clear to me are the ones I feel the

512
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 4: most sharing with, like people at large, because then it's

513
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 4: like you can say that I'm mentally, you know, psychotic

514
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: or something, I was having delusions. But other than that,

515
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: these are things that happened without any outside influence on

516
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: my brain.

517
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: But this man, Francis, it's like that.

518
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: It's wild ros that's real.

519
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

520
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: It just means something something, something who knows what. Well,

521
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: let's change topics what about like psychics. Do you ever

522
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: go to them? Have you had any great experiences with them?

523
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: Are you one?

524
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: I'm not myself psychic. I believe that I have a

525
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 4: gift for storytelling. Yeah, I have a natural you know,

526
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: something in me that lends itself to the craft and

527
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: art and love of acting. I think there's certain things

528
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: about being a human that come naturally to me. There

529
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: are many things, frustratingly which don't, which I wish did,

530
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 4: because I feel like they seem like most people just get.

531
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 4: But that's okay. We're each built and constructed completely in

532
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 4: our own unique way. And I think there are people

533
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 4: that have a gift for sensorial perceptive experiences that of

534
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: us don't possess or is so underdeveloped within us that

535
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: it's not at a place where it can you catch

536
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 4: any of the spark. And so I, you know, beyond

537
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 4: what I'm able to see with my own eyes, it's

538
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: you know, I've never seen a human being fly. But

539
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: it's like I believe if someone to me has had

540
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: an experience like psychics, mediums, people with a perception and

541
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: an ability to perceive both time presence, you know, history, experience, imprints, echoes,

542
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: all of that to me is just it's science that

543
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 4: hasn't been scienced yet. It's just stuff that is still

544
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: you know, waiting to be run properly through a scientific method,

545
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: because I believe it's all really true. And I've seen

546
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: a couple of psychics that have been you know, I

547
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: don't think I've ever had an sperience where somebody hasn't

548
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: really given me some wonderful bit of intuitive insight into

549
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: something and awareness of something, and it's usually in their opinions.

550
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 4: They always feel like it's kind of myself showing things

551
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: to myself. I love connecting people with good psychics. I've

552
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: hired a number of them over the years. Like when

553
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: I'll have a gathering at my home, I always like

554
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: to have a tarot reader or you know, somebody that's

555
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: that can do readings, because I've had people I've never

556
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 4: had the experience, but I've had people walk out of

557
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 4: the room with really gifted you know, readers, and they're

558
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: just the look on their face is like Wow, they

559
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 4: just they've something really special just happened. Man, I am

560
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: open to it.

561
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: I haven't necessarily had like that, what like, I haven't

562
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: had that experience.

563
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 4: The Gong moment. Yeah, I haven't had the Gong moment.

564
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: But I've seen it. I've seen people have it. I

565
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: don't know what it is about me, but it hasn't happened. Also,

566
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: sometimes I wonder, I think there's you know, of course,

567
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: there's like real deal people that got some gift, and

568
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: then there's like a bunch of people that are just like,

569
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: who knows.

570
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 4: What, hustlers. Well, the hustlers ruined it for everybody, especially

571
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: during the movement, like the spiritualist movement. There's always going

572
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: to be those who are going to come in and

573
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 4: capitalize on, of course, something beautiful. So let's say cinema,

574
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 4: for example, had true magicians at work. Still does people

575
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: who conjure using the artistry of cinema truly magical, transformative,

576
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: transporting experiences that collectively just penetrate our hearts, minds, and souls.

577
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: And these artists find some way to make these things

578
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: happen and all of us go, oh my god, wow.

579
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: And when all of us go oh my god, wow,

580
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: the way we get to experience these things. We pull

581
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: out our wallets and we show up and we sit

582
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: in these churches of the theaters or on our couches

583
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: and we go on these journeys. Right. So there's, unfortunately,

584
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 4: by the necessity of capitalism, consumerism, all forms of consumptionism,

585
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: a supply and demand scenario where four thousand people standing

586
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: around the one person who's made the thing that is

587
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: really special, beautiful, wonderful, really transformative, really magical. They go,

588
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: oh my god, look how much money that thing made.

589
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: I don't really know how to do that thing. I

590
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: don't really understand how movies. I don't really care about

591
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: the magic of movies. But hell fuck, I can get

592
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 4: a bunch of rich people to give us money. We're

593
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: going to build a studio here, and we're going to

594
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: churn out as much as we possibly can to get

595
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: as many people in those seats and get as many

596
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 4: popcorn bucket salts. We can make as much money as

597
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: we possibly can so that we can get rich. And

598
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: people been doing that since they saw, Oh my god,

599
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 4: there's a real gifted healer. This person is incredible. They're

600
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: able to connect with the other side, with the future,

601
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: with the past. Wow, imagine how much money we could

602
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 4: get out of people if we died that. So thankfully,

603
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: people like Harry Houdini and others went around busting a

604
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: bunch of the byes ors. But I still believe at

605
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: the seed of that, at the heart of that, there

606
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: are those gifted ones walking around, and I think it's

607
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: undiscovered science have some to tap into something else. The

608
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 4: hucksters they ruin everything for everybody. I mean, you get it.

609
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: Car Like how many people like see something you're doing

610
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: and they go, oh, I want to do that, I

611
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: can do that, and they just want to jump on it.

612
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 4: Do they see a desire to connect with people? Do

613
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 4: they see a desire to like share stories and maybe

614
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 4: you know, get inside people, make them look at things

615
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: a little differently, like what you're doing. Or do they

616
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 4: go I wonder how much rostery this gets when they

617
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 4: you know, when there's an ad on there, we should

618
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: do a podcast about this. It's like it's crazy. That's

619
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 4: my little rant. Sorry everybody, I went on a little tirade.

620
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: No, I'm totally with yeah, some of them.

621
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: I think some of the people that try to be

622
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: a psychic, I think they're just really good at improv.

623
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: They know how to just sort of yes and and

624
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: pick up on Oh that person just got sad when

625
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: I when I said, does the color yellow mean anything?

626
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: To you, Oh, let's go with that, let's keep moving.

627
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: You know what, if you watch Late Night with the Devil,

628
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: there's a great example in the beginning of the film

629
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: when our psychic you know, is trying to do what's

630
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: basically a BS reading with somebody and then something real

631
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: starts to happen. And I love that moment in the

632
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 4: film because I was like, oh, that's so good. But

633
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: look at what's his name? Darren? You know, he can

634
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: get in a room and he can say that he

635
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: can read people have the crying, convincing them he's talking

636
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: to their grandma. And then he turns around and he goes,

637
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: that was all bullshit. This is how I was able

638
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: to get them there. This is how I was able

639
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: to use deduction and improv, you know, saying yes, who Darren, Oh,

640
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 4: come on help me? The guy who's he also does

641
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 4: he He had that really fascinating documentary called The Push

642
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 4: on Netflix a few years ago. Did you see that?

643
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: No?

644
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: It will blow your flipping lid ras. So Darren. I

645
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 4: want to say his name is Darren Anthony, but that's

646
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Speaker 4: not it. It's Darren I'm looking at, not Darren Cross. It's

647
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: not Darren Anthony, Darren Brown.

648
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Speaker 1: Darren Brown.

649
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Speaker 4: So Darren Brown. He did that. He had this hypothesis

650
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 4: that you know, group think and the pressure of the group.

651
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: His theory was that the power and pressure of a

652
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: large group dynamic against an individual can get a human

653
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 4: being to do anything, including to commit murder. And he

654
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: goes to prove this theory by giving himself one hour

655
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 4: with a person who doesn't know that they're being filmed

656
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: in an entirely set up scenario with a group dynamic,

657
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 4: which this person just thinks they're going to a party,

658
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: and within one hour he's His theory was that he

659
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: could take any person and get them to commit murder.

660
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 4: You've got to watch that. It's called the push.

661
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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to say that that sounds right.

662
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 4: But he also does a thing where he'll go with

663
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: it with like, let's say there's a psychic doing their

664
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Speaker 4: their like a show or readings where they're in front

665
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 4: of a crowd, and they go, is there's someone out

666
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: here with you know, a jay is significant? They pull

667
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: that person down and they do their thing with him.

668
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: He does that and then he goes, this is how

669
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: I did it, this, this, this, this, this right?

670
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: Are you a reincarnation person.

671
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 4: I'm an honestly roz, I'm an everything person except for

672
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: punishing God. That's the one that I've that I've made

673
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: peace with letting go. That was I was raised with

674
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 4: this idea that there's this like punishing Creator that we

675
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: have to stay in good graces with all the time

676
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: or else we're going to be abandoned. Because that's a

677
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: term that means a lot to me and my therapeutic

678
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 4: work as an adult, abandonment fears and anxieties, and I

679
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: think the earliest attachment I had to a loving, you know,

680
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: creator figure was also you know, shadowed by this idea

681
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: that if I didn't live up to their expectations or

682
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 4: if I didn't choose to do things a certain way,

683
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: it was you know, abandonment into punishment. So that's the

684
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: only thing I've been consciously, psychically, spiritually, and psychologically working

685
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: to untether myself from the potential of aliens, reincarnation, levitation,

686
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: mind melding. Everything is on the table. And so when

687
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 4: everything goes back to Josh, Josh said to me many

688
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 4: years ago, oh my gosh, this book changed my life.

689
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: It's called Many Lives, Many Masters. I was doing this

690
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: show last year called murder Bock, which I'm very proud of.

691
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: Everybody go watch it right now. It's on Apple and

692
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: Noma Doomsueney, who is my co star on the show,

693
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 4: and she plays the leader of our group who my

694
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 4: character's in love with. We would have these wonderful deep

695
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: conversations and we were talking about like philosophical beliefs, religious beliefs.

696
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: She said, Oh, my gosh, many lives, many masters. I

697
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 4: read this book and she was like the third person

698
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 4: within a week that brought it up. So I read

699
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: it because I was like, I got to read this.

700
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: Josh gave it to me. I never finished it, and

701
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 4: I got to read it, and it really it made

702
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 4: me think a lot about you know, is reincarnation a

703
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 4: part of our lives? Is it a part of my life?

704
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, But could it be a part of

705
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: other people's lives? For sure? Does it have to be

706
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: a part of everyone's lives? I don't prescribe to that.

707
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 4: The only thing I think that happens to all of

708
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: us is we're born and we die, right, That's the

709
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: only thing that happens to all of us. Everything else

710
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 4: is like I could be so illuminated and elevated by

711
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: the teachings of the Qur'an, the bodies of Vata, you

712
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 4: name it, like the Bible. I don't know what I

713
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: could be totally moved into where I'm meant to be

714
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 4: in my alignment with what I'm on my journey to

715
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 4: do as a fall straight on atheist. That stuff, I

716
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: think is so specific to the individual.

717
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think like maybe all of it is true.

718
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: Like you kind of pick on Earth which one is

719
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: for you, and then that works for you in terms

720
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: of like Heaven and everything. It's like, yeah, you go

721
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: to whichever one you believe in.

722
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: I would like to think that we pick. I think

723
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: sometimes a lot of people are not given a choice right,

724
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 4: and that makes me sad because I do want people

725
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: to have an opportunity I want to give, like for

726
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 4: my children. You know, I was raised in a very

727
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: specific faith, with a very specific dogma, with a very

728
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 4: specific way that you raise children, what you teach them,

729
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: how you raise them to have the same beliefs as you.

730
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: To me, beliefs like the value and importance of kindness,

731
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 4: of acceptance, of independence, independent thinking, of self resilience. Those

732
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: are the things that I would like to raise them,

733
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 4: to teach them. But when they asked me about my

734
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: thoughts on God, my thoughts on you know, who is Jesus?

735
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 4: I like sharing with them information without indoctrinating them into

736
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: my own beliefs, because I love the idea of them

737
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: coming to a belief system, because it's the path that

738
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: their soul's journey is on. I didn't get that choice

739
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: as a kid, because I was told this is what

740
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: we do. You believe this or you are you know,

741
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: you're abandoned and punished eternally. And I go, oh, my god,

742
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 4: what about the millions of Hindus or Buddhists or the

743
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: Jewish people or this, that and the other. So it's like, well,

744
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: they're all going to hell? And I couldn't. I couldn't.

745
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: It hurts so much. It still hurts to think about that,

746
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: you know, it hurts a lot. And so people who

747
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 4: adamantly feel that they need to raise a child with

748
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: a certain belief, it's like they're doing it because they

749
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 4: think they're doing what's best for the child. What I

750
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: believe is best for my children, raising them to be kind, independent,

751
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: self reliant people who can love and accept themselves. And

752
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: then hopefully. What the way that my spiritual practice involves prayer.

753
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: I do pray to my higher power, and I believe

754
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 4: in God, and I believe in the power of meditation

755
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 4: and mindfulness and mantra ing and magic service as an

756
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 4: act of removal from self pity, which is, you know,

757
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: often tied to my own suffering. Boy, we just went

758
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: all over the place. Sorry, ros, look at me. It's

759
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: the coffee.

760
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: No, it's great. What about cryptids?

761
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: So growing up in the Midwest, you know you deeply

762
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 4: want the bog creatures because the ozarks, like the ozark Howler,

763
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 4: was something I was raised with. They're not far from

764
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 4: where I grew up. Which one is that ozark Howler.

765
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 4: It's like a it's like a banshee ish kind of

766
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 4: hairy creature that is like half something, half monkey half

767
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: We don't know existing out in the wilds of the

768
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: because the ozarks are just like they go on. If

769
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: you go from Arkansas all the way up through Missouri,

770
00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 4: it's just there's so much like unseen wild and wilderness,

771
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: and it's gorgeous and it's haunting and it's scary, and

772
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: the energy is really intense. I want to believe in Bigfoot.

773
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 4: I'm doing something right now actually that involves a cryptid.

774
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: I'm currently in the midst of production on a Holiday

775
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: of Horrors special with the Boulets, and I really wanted

776
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: to get to explore like some cryptid stuff with it.

777
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 4: And fortunately for me, my creative and other many things

778
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: partner Leah and her friend Jenny had written a piece

779
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 4: that really spoke to me. So, oh god, yeah, And

780
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: I would like some time for someone to write a book,

781
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: if you're out there and you've got the time, the energy,

782
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 4: the bandwidth and the passion for this, to do the

783
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 4: research and write a book about all the stuff that

784
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: people reported about that everyone said was lore or mythology

785
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: and eventually we proved was actually a real I know,

786
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff exists in the sea where

787
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: for hundreds of years they would describe this you know,

788
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: sea monster and it ultimately ended up being you know,

789
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 4: the narwhal or whatever. But it would be really cool

790
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: to have somebody be able to say, sure, we don't

791
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: have enough scientific evidence to irrefutably prove the presence of

792
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 4: X cryptid, but don't forget for a very long time

793
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 4: we didn't have the scientific proof to unquestionably verify the

794
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 4: existence of watch a watch and now we all just

795
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: think of that as like, oh, that's that's a thing, right.

796
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: Have you encountered synchronistic things, you know, like, have you

797
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 2: ever encountered things in life where you're like, this is

798
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: too yeah, this is too yeah. I mean, I guess,

799
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 2: I guess. Francis is sort of one of those things

800
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: where you go, how would you know that?

801
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 4: Here's what's tricky for me, And I really want to

802
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: present a trigger warning for anyone out there who has

803
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: struggled with bipolar, borderline personality, other you know, mental health issues, schizophrenia.

804
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: I am an individual who can sit here today and

805
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 4: tell you I've deeply struggled and continue to live with,

806
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 4: you know, psychiatric disorders and am in full treatment and

807
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: will probably be for life because it's a journey. And

808
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 4: thankfully I'm at a place now where most of my

809
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: days are cogent. I still struggle a lot, and I

810
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 4: still feel alone a lot, and it's why I'm grateful

811
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 4: to do stuff like talk to you and then have

812
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 4: a really small network of private, close friends and allies

813
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: on the journey, professionals and otherwise. This is all to

814
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 4: say there have been moments in my life where I've

815
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 4: been in the midst of a manic episode. And if

816
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: anyone out there is listening has experienced that, they know

817
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 4: how terrifying that can be, because what it feels like,

818
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 4: what it feels like in that space is that everything

819
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 4: is suddenly synchronized and coordinated in a way that isolates you,

820
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 4: as if this whole experience is suddenly a manipulation or

821
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 4: something around you, like there's a sign you're driving past

822
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 4: that says something, as somebody's on the radio saying another thing,

823
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: as you're having a thought about this anxiety that you're feeling.

824
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: And I've had moments like that that were not in

825
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: a place of wellness, that were so hard to process

826
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: and so hard to not completely come unwound over and

827
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 4: feel like I'm crazy. So with that and with the work,

828
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 4: I will also say, in conjunction with that, there have

829
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: afe hundred percent been moments in my life where the Universe, God,

830
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: my intuition, whatever you want to call it, maybe the

831
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: golden thread, all in alignment, an instinct about something said

832
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: to either with the positive, take this risk. There's a

833
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: little sign of hope, here's a little sign of encouragement.

834
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 4: Look at that as a beautiful sign of yourself being

835
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 4: open to the possibility of the yes and it really happening,

836
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 4: and that feeling so empowering. It's very different than the other.

837
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: And I wish I was more educated or able to

838
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: speak on these things in a way other than to

839
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: say I believe I've had both experiences and it's really

840
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 4: important for me and distilling, especially when things go wrong

841
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 4: where I get a synchronicity series of things makes me

842
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 4: feel like I'm oh gosh, I'm being punished or oh

843
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: my gosh, this is terrifying me, and then I have

844
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: to really breathe and relax and go. Sometimes coincidences do happen.

845
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 4: That's the law of chaos, that's the law of mathematics.

846
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 4: Sometimes my brain is looking for things when what it

847
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: needs to be doing is just being present. That's a

848
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 4: long answer to that question.

849
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 2: But sometimes like you can be present and it's like, wait,

850
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: why did that happen?

851
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 4: What did that mean? Yeah? I know, I know? What

852
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: does it mean?

853
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: Do you put any extra thought into like deja vous?

854
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: Do you go way this is? I remember I've already

855
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: thought this, or I don't.

856
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: Know, Yeah, is it past? Life. Is it inter dimensional something?

857
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: Is it a wave? I've often wondered, is that like

858
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 4: just an echo or a wave of like have we

859
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 4: done this and now we're trying to do it again

860
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 4: and do it a little better?

861
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, my second chance?

862
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 4: Is this a little just a blip? Can the brain blip? Yeah?

863
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: I don't know. What do you think it is when

864
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 4: you get through jogu.

865
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: I think that you get like you get like a

866
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: little peak. Like I think that's why I think all

867
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: this stuff is. I don't want to actually know the

868
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: answers to anything. I just think it's fun to talk

869
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: about when we get like a little peak sometimes at

870
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: the other realm, where like I don't know, God or

871
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: whoever it is, is like, oh shit, they were't supposed

872
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: to see that. Like, you know, It's kind of like

873
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: when you get like when a company accidentally leaks a

874
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: new product or something. Oh delete, So then you just

875
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: like get like a little peak of it, and then

876
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: when it actually happens, then you go, oh.

877
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: Good, this this was supposed to happen.

878
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: This is how I interpret it. I go, oh, this

879
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: was supposed to happen because I thought about this already.

880
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 2: So I'm in the right place where I'm supposed to be.

881
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: This was kind of a plan the whole time for

882
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: me to end up here or to experience whatever this

883
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: thing is.

884
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

885
00:49:59,239 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: I love that.

886
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: Who knows?

887
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 4: Who knows?

888
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: Wait, how long have we been doing this? Fifty two minutes?

889
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: How does this happen?

890
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: You know? So the part three, which is always either

891
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 4: the whole thing goes down in flames or if you

892
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: become historic, because in my opinion, now I've been literally

893
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: flapping my gums for fifty one minutes. I think I

894
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 4: gave you one minute to talk in the last hour.

895
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 2: Who cares these people hear about hear me talk with

896
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: my ideas way too much?

897
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 4: But like, I feel like part two we brought the groceries.

898
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: I can't get over the Francis story.

899
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: Were you planning to tell that?

900
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't planning anything. When I come on with you,

901
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 4: I don't plan anything. I just go be as open

902
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 4: as you feel safe being today, and I felt safe

903
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 4: being open with you. You know.

904
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: I heard people talk about this being present stuff for

905
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: a while long time, and I was always like, yeah,

906
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, And I don't know because

907
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sober too, and I don't know if

908
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: like that was part of it too, was just like

909
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: not wanting to be pron I don't know, but I

910
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: would say the last like year or so, I have

911
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: gotten to this point where I am so obsessed with like,

912
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: I'm not going to prepare anything. I'm just going to

913
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: show up and whatever comes my way. Let's ride the way, baby,

914
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: And wow, it's been a fun way to live.

915
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: I look at the so many things I look at

916
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 4: through the lens of being an actor. The thing that

917
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: I really strive to do is do my homework, be prepared,

918
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 4: prepare my if it's dialect, physical work, character, backstory, all

919
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: of that. I think the preparation is very, very very important.

920
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 4: Make sure my lines are memorized, make sure I'm ready

921
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: to go. But what I don't want to do is

922
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 4: prepare the way I'm going to do something right, because

923
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 4: then I lose the ability to be present and to

924
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: experience the thing through that, and I learned that a

925
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: lot watching working with Alexander Skarsgard on Murder Bot. Not

926
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: only was a joy because I just got to look

927
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: at his incredible face and body every day, Sorry Alexander,

928
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: but it was also because every take was a new thing.

929
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 4: He never rehashed if we nailed something on a certain arc,

930
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 4: a certain line, a certain moment the take before, unless

931
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: the director specifically said, oh, can we get that again

932
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: from this angle, which he would do perfectly. Every take

933
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 4: was a brand new experience every fucking take. That to

934
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: me is courage. That to me is wow. I want

935
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 4: to show up every day like that, Like I have

936
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 4: my due diligence, I do my parameditation, I go to

937
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: my you know, meetings, I you know, do certain things

938
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: that are part of my mental health routine. But then

939
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: I want to just be present and not and plan everything.

940
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: Well.

941
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: I keep thinking of my life like I enjoy it

942
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: being like structured improv like uh Reno nine to one

943
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 2: one or Curb your Enthusiasm. It's like we know where

944
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: each scene, what certain things you have to.

945
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 3: Hit on in life.

946
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 2: Okay, I do know I need to like exercise at

947
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: this point or whatever.

948
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: Everything else.

949
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: You just like whatever comes your way, you listen, you respond,

950
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: you know who knows where it'll lead you.

951
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: Yep.

952
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: So what's all the stuff you want us to to see?

953
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 4: Okay, listen. So there's a beautiful movie that's from Mike

954
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 4: Flanagan called The Life of Chuck so cool. It's a

955
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 4: beautiful film. It's based on the Stephen King story and

956
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 4: I have a wonderful opportunity in it to chew on

957
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 4: some of Mike's incredible dialogue. And then murder Bot is

958
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: currently on Apple. It is a series that is so wonderful,

959
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 4: based on a book, a series of books by Martha

960
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 4: Wells called the murder Bot Diaries. Alexander scars Guard plays

961
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: a sec unit, this you know, non binary sum of flesh,

962
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 4: some machines, security unit, this construct that has become conscious,

963
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: and I'm part of the little team of scientists that

964
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: it is meant to secure and keep safe on this planet.

965
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 4: And it's a really wonderful show that pushes a lot

966
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 4: of incredible boundaries and it's still very funny, very light,

967
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 4: very human. I love it. It's got, oh my gosh everything,

968
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 4: it's got thrupples, it's got a matriarchal leadership, it's got

969
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: Alexander's scars Guard, it's got me being an annoying ass.

970
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: And then, you know, I write a lot. I'm very

971
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: proud of the work of being able to achieve it,

972
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 4: especially in the comic book space. So if you get

973
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 4: a chance, check out my Creature Commando series at DC.

974
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 4: I've got a series called Nights Versus Samurai at Image.

975
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 4: Some really exciting new books coming. We're going to announce

976
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 4: a comic con and then be sure to stay tuned

977
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 4: for the lay Brothers Holiday of Horror special that I'll

978
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: be starring in and helping create with them.

979
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: So great, Honestly, the easiest thing you could ever do.

980
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: I swear to god, if you just told like a theater,

981
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: can I just have like an hour and a half

982
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: and then you just start telling stories, or if you

983
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: just had the audience be like, tell us one about this,

984
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it would be so successful. You're such

985
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: a good storyteller. Thank you, ros I'm very impressed. I'm

986
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: very pleased by this episode.

987
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time.

988
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: Thank you, my fiend, my amazing raws. Well, that's the thing. Now,

989
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 4: it's happening, and I'm.

990
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: Trying to get invited to one of these tarot reading

991
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: haunted doll parties that you have.

992
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 4: You got it, You're there the next one that I throw.

993
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: Put me on the list.

994
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 4: You're on the list. You are on the.

995
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: List, all right. Well, that's it.

996
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 4: That's it. Thanks Ron, Thank you so much to David.

997
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, he's good.

998
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: He's real good at ghosted that's for sure. Hopefully we

999
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: can get him to come back on another time. Thanks

1000
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 2: for listening. I love you all, both living and dead.

1001
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 2: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1002
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: haunt me came back. This has been an exactly right production.

1003
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Speaker 2: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

1004
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you,

1005
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: so email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

1006
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: You can send a DM or voice message to the

1007
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: show's instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

1008
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 2: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: Roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez.

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

1011
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

1012
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

1013
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by

1014
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky

1015
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: Vanessa Lilac, photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced

1016
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: by the chilling Karen Kilgareff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark,

1017
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: and the frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen to Ghosted by Roz

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Speaker 2: get your podcasts.