Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode ninety of The Bobby Cast
Speaker 1: In with Barry Dean. Barry, how are you good? How
Speaker 1: are you? I'm good? I was. I had known a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff you'd written, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: all the stuff you'd write. I never know all this
Speaker 1: stuff until her like deep down dig. But before we
Speaker 1: get into stuff, I didn't know you'd written this song
Speaker 1: here for Ingram Michaelson girls Chase Boys, Like this song
Speaker 1: is jam girls. She's good. She's really good. That song
Speaker 1: is really good. And Mikey and I were talking before
Speaker 1: you came in. I was like, he wrote that song.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, I have this and like to
Speaker 1: my playlist right now. Still, what's nice? Thank you? So
Speaker 1: who'd you write that one? With Trent Dabs and Ingrid Michaelson.
Speaker 1: It was Memorial Day weekend and they called said, Ingrid's
Speaker 1: coming in the right next week, but she wants to
Speaker 1: come in Nashville, come in early, and she writes with
Speaker 1: Trent Dabs a lot and Katie Herzig and just lots
Speaker 1: of great people like that, and um, they said, would
Speaker 1: you write with her on Memorial Day weekend? And uh,
Speaker 1: everybody else was clear and out, and uh, I come
Speaker 1: from you know, a little town working. Yeah, I'm working person,
Speaker 1: so you know, it must be present to win. So
Speaker 1: so I was like, yeah, let's do it. And so
Speaker 1: she was not feeling well and uh so she we
Speaker 1: started a ballad kind of thing and it wasn't really
Speaker 1: going anywhere, and so then I thought, well, let's switch
Speaker 1: it up. And and so Trent had been layering drums
Speaker 1: and logic and and they were flamming from like that,
Speaker 1: and she said, played the piano. They said, you play
Speaker 1: the piano. So I played the button button and then
Speaker 1: she went, but da da data, and so I played
Speaker 1: that and then you know, again she'd hold her stomach.
Speaker 1: I think she was dealing with some esophagal things, you know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, you know, there's no country emergency.
Speaker 1: We can write on Monday or Tuesday. No, we'll do it.
Speaker 1: And so then I would throw lines, and I thought
Speaker 1: she didn't like them because we didn't know each other,
Speaker 1: you know. And there's always a weirdness too when you
Speaker 1: don't know someone and you're being creative. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a super vulnerable place. It takes me a minute to
Speaker 1: get comfortable. Uh and and and so you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know each other at all. She's you know, I'm
Speaker 1: probably the oldest person she's written with in a long time.
Speaker 1: And uh, she's holding her stomach. I'm wanting to take
Speaker 1: her to a clinic and trance just you know. He's
Speaker 1: a worker, you know, he's moving around and and he's
Speaker 1: Mr Energy anyway. And so then, um, so I said, well,
Speaker 1: I had this one thing about how girls chase boys
Speaker 1: chase girls chase boys, and how it just goes around
Speaker 1: and around and around, and I thought she didn't like it,
Speaker 1: and so then I started I kept nervous, you know,
Speaker 1: so I keep throwing titles. Well there's this other thing
Speaker 1: about how all the broken hearts still work and I'm
Speaker 1: still beating and still doing. And then she literally goes,
Speaker 1: you mean like, oh the broken hearts in the world
Speaker 1: still be That's not my good. That has to be
Speaker 1: And then like a sometimes sometimes girls chesse boys chesse girls.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, that is exactly what I mean,
Speaker 1: and thinkingly, who is this woman? And she does that.
Speaker 1: I can't do it, but that right, her voice, her
Speaker 1: voice is like a formula one car. She can go
Speaker 1: real high and then she can go low. She can
Speaker 1: do all these things. And so then there was a
Speaker 1: question of should we put words on it? And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I really I kind of like
Speaker 1: it with no words. I know my job is to
Speaker 1: throw words at you. But on the yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a debate on whether or not to put words there
Speaker 1: instead of it suns at all. I can't listen, you know,
Speaker 1: it's always you can only imagine the actor in your
Speaker 1: favorite role being that actor. So so I can't imagine
Speaker 1: what what would be there now. And well there was
Speaker 1: another argument, which was and this is what took the
Speaker 1: longest time on the song was I thought it was
Speaker 1: the chorus, and then there was a descript you know,
Speaker 1: there was a disagreement because there was a feeling, well, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the chorus, that's the verse, and so we
Speaker 1: wrote a whole another chorus that I don't remember at all.
Speaker 1: It was not the right thing. And so then I said, well,
Speaker 1: can we go the other way? Can we pretend that's
Speaker 1: the chorus and it's the eighties when I was young,
Speaker 1: and we start with a chorus. It's like a Steven
Speaker 1: Tyler thing. I remember Steven Tyler come in and he
Speaker 1: Steven Tyler comes in and goes, hey, man, he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. It was crazy because we were
Speaker 1: sitting there and we're in the studio and they were
Speaker 1: like sweet emotion. They're like, why don't we just start
Speaker 1: with the chorus and he was like sweet and he
Speaker 1: goes People were like what are you doing? And I'm
Speaker 1: like trust me, And that was like, you know, sweet emotions,
Speaker 1: trick is there ain't no trick. Yeah. It was like
Speaker 1: we just went simple with its just simple. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: here it is. This is about you were waiting for.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to you right up front, you
Speaker 1: know so. And again I tell about five minutes ago
Speaker 1: I wrote that song. And that's like, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you. Like the music that I play
Speaker 1: on the radio, some of it are like some of
Speaker 1: it don't. Some of it I'm indifferent about. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it just comes with and if anyone says they like
Speaker 1: it all their line, I agree with that. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you I love this song. Thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just talking. I kind of geeked out a
Speaker 1: little b I was like, man, I'm so grateful for it.
Speaker 1: And it was not Again, I had no idea. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't tell the story, but I will. Uh So we
Speaker 1: wrote a memorial day and so that fall right before
Speaker 1: CMA week, Jinn and I went to Asheville, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: We've never been there as my wife, and so we
Speaker 1: were down there. Be super awkward if it wasn't my wife.
Speaker 1: And uh, we're down there and we'd had dinner and
Speaker 1: we may have been overserved just slightly. We're going to
Speaker 1: where they play pianos and you all sing along this
Speaker 1: weet Caroline, one of those things doing in Wanto Baria.
Speaker 1: And uh so Ingrid calls, which is not a thing
Speaker 1: that happens a lot. And she called and and again
Speaker 1: we didn't know each other. We one day, that's it.
Speaker 1: And then I get this note and she's, uh, can
Speaker 1: we talk? And she said, you know, do you think
Speaker 1: it is it too? I mean, because she does a
Speaker 1: lot of heavy, beautiful balance that are really you know,
Speaker 1: she she's not afraid, and so she was like, is
Speaker 1: it too? She was saying fun, you know, meaning frivolous
Speaker 1: I think. But I was like, well, you're the only
Speaker 1: artist who would worry about being fun, I mean, and uh,
Speaker 1: and she kind of laughed and she goes, well, is
Speaker 1: girls chase boys are okay? Title? And I always say
Speaker 1: that because I may have had some wine at dinner.
Speaker 1: I start texting her like, you know, like Dame's love guys,
Speaker 1: you know, chocos love Chicas. I just I mean, all
Speaker 1: evening as I wonder, she still speaks to me, and
Speaker 1: I'm texting her all these different ways. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you should play it for some
Speaker 1: fans and if they love of it, great, and if
Speaker 1: they don't, we'll write another one. That's what I said.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that it could be on pop
Speaker 1: radio or be a thing at all, but it was
Speaker 1: really wonderful. It opened up a lot of fun doors
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah. Again, I just loved it. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is not my air this is my airplane. Why
Speaker 1: I love it. It's on my airplane list of songs
Speaker 1: I go to Slate. Yeah, that's it. A little voice,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you know, uh, Chris Lindsay and
Speaker 1: Amy Mayo, you know that. And so one time years
Speaker 1: ago this song has never been recorded. Thing. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what was called, but I was writing a song
Speaker 1: with Chris Lindsay and we were over at Amy Land
Speaker 1: and I can't remember the song, but there was this
Speaker 1: part where we're like singing this thing and I didn't
Speaker 1: know what the words were. And this was new to
Speaker 1: me to to just sing whatever I wanted without knowing
Speaker 1: the words. I was really um. I wrote only by
Speaker 1: myself until I signed to a deal in Nashville, So
Speaker 1: I literally used to write at the top of my
Speaker 1: pad when I did co writes make a noise because
Speaker 1: I would sit there trying to think the right answer
Speaker 1: before I said it, and uh and and not being
Speaker 1: willing to dare to suck and just put it out there.
Speaker 1: And it's just hard to get used to that. Um
Speaker 1: and so um. Anyway, I was singing something and I
Speaker 1: went bye baby, bye bye baby. I'm letting you go,
Speaker 1: and it makes no sense. I just sang it in
Speaker 1: a moment, and Amy was just they're bringing coffee or something,
Speaker 1: you know, stopping by to say hi, and she goes, sorry,
Speaker 1: let me make this go away right here. UML no,
Speaker 1: I wish it was. It's my brother. He's really smart,
Speaker 1: and we have this side project we're doing and not musical,
Speaker 1: it's a different deal and he uh, he loves project
Speaker 1: management software and so he'll update the tasks, you know,
Speaker 1: and the percentage that's completed and you know all that.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I don't know how to make it not show
Speaker 1: on my phone, and so it keeps. He's just bing
Speaker 1: bing bing bing bing. I'm like, so stop, it's Christmas.
Speaker 1: But but she said, Amy was it was like sometimes
Speaker 1: the music says it for us. And so that person
Speaker 1: who's afraid to face their life or make a change
Speaker 1: or tell somebody what's going on, and and that moment
Speaker 1: she goes, you should trust that moment. Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: even live here yet. I was still coming. I just
Speaker 1: signed and was coming back and forth, and uh, but
Speaker 1: that showed up in that right that day when she went, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought that that is that thing? Is that almost
Speaker 1: like a silence is okay in conversation type thing like
Speaker 1: not not all silence is bad. It's funny too. You
Speaker 1: bring out the vulnerability thing, because I think it's a
Speaker 1: and not just in creative space. We working to creative space,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people working group space where uh
Speaker 1: their problem solving. You're coming up with ideas, you're afraid
Speaker 1: to say something because you're around people that you don't
Speaker 1: know and you don't want to but The thing that
Speaker 1: I've learned about that is everybody else is feeling the
Speaker 1: exact same way that the truth. And so the feeling
Speaker 1: that I have and that you haven't working with somebody
Speaker 1: that if I'm writing comedy or writing music and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've never written with this person before, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to see something stupid, They're probably feel in the
Speaker 1: same way. They probably are. But but man, that's in
Speaker 1: the real not outside our world. That's not a common thought,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think there's a certain element.
Speaker 1: Uh well, I like your your new book. I know
Speaker 1: that it's a winning through losing. Oh yeah, I wrote it.
Speaker 1: I did a Ted talk and I'm writing a book.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's that's a that's an upside down.
Speaker 1: We write and work in an upside down world where
Speaker 1: we get together and we're instantly gonna build a bridge
Speaker 1: and discuss very true personal things. And I spent years
Speaker 1: in a corporate and vine where you know, five years
Speaker 1: in someone will mention, oh, yeah, you know some personal fact.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh yeah, my, well you're facing some crisis
Speaker 1: at home or we're facing some other reality. But that's
Speaker 1: not something you talk about in a in a corporate environment.
Speaker 1: So we're backwards, and it's weird to being in a
Speaker 1: right or being and I gat a creative space where
Speaker 1: you have to get vulnerable. Even for me, like I'll
Speaker 1: say on the radio, like I'm terrible being vulnerable away
Speaker 1: from my job a man in my job, it's I
Speaker 1: can drop all the walls because I have to face successful.
Speaker 1: And you, as a writer, you have to. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's weird you go into somebody you don't know and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, let me tell you're really heart wrenching tail.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm wrestling with in my own life. I
Speaker 1: was talking about therapist today about it give me a
Speaker 1: decorp you know it is. It is kind of a backward,
Speaker 1: but you've done so. I guess we could kind of start.
Speaker 1: Let me just mention before I know what we'll get
Speaker 1: around some of this stuff because I don't always like
Speaker 1: just talking about songs specifically, but uh, you you just
Speaker 1: see you wrote Pontoon one of the stories, and because
Speaker 1: we've actually had the other writers into that, um, Natalie
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you know, you know, back that
Speaker 1: hitch up into the water. But it wasn't hitch, it
Speaker 1: wasn't hit. Eric Passley is the one who made it hitch.
Speaker 1: It was back that other thing. Okay, back that bitch
Speaker 1: in the water. That's the first thing she said. You know,
Speaker 1: looks like come on girls. She was like, we're not
Speaker 1: doing this, come on girl, and she goes I would say,
Speaker 1: back this bitch up into the water and we screamed
Speaker 1: with laughter. Well, pass As, I understand it. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: There is the one who said you should say hitch
Speaker 1: when they need the radio at it to Natalie. So
Speaker 1: Eric is not a writer on the song. He just
Speaker 1: heard it and was like, hey, you should now he
Speaker 1: just said it to me and I didn't know that
Speaker 1: till long after, but he should. Jed Hughes played the
Speaker 1: riff with j Joyce and that's so wonderful. And I
Speaker 1: was watching a little big down at it Jarnity event.
Speaker 1: We did that microphone we did a um, I didn't
Speaker 1: do it. I went to a charity event and uh
Speaker 1: so I live in Nashville, but I used to live
Speaker 1: in Brentwood. Don't know what part of town you live, Well,
Speaker 1: you know Snead Road in Hillsboro, so it's considered Franklin,
Speaker 1: but it's not anywhere. It's really Brentwood. So okay, maybe
Speaker 1: you'll know the house I'm talking about. It down in Brentwood.
Speaker 1: You get off a concorde and for those that are
Speaker 1: all over, just just just follow me on this. There's
Speaker 1: this hum monkous house across from Governor's Club. So I
Speaker 1: used to have a Governor's Club and I would always
Speaker 1: see this huge Monko's house and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like a sound of music kind of house monster.
Speaker 1: So I went to a charity event at this house
Speaker 1: and it's it's a couple of jewelers. They were very nice. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're very sunglasses, very kind gentleman. I didn't get to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time with them because it was
Speaker 1: it was it was a charity event for for an
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's um event, and Kimberly Paisley was there, a mom
Speaker 1: that was Alzheimer's and but we're there and a little
Speaker 1: Big Town was playing and so they it was you know,
Speaker 1: it's as I get to do things now because at
Speaker 1: my job that I normally wouldn't get to do. And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there by a hundred people in the room
Speaker 1: and there you know, playing the song and they come
Speaker 1: out and they start playing pontoon, and all I can
Speaker 1: think about the entire song is that hitch was changed.
Speaker 1: Like that's all I'm telling you, the whole show, the
Speaker 1: whole everything, and that should be like and I was.
Speaker 1: There was an awesome event and a lot of money
Speaker 1: was raised. All I could think it was like they
Speaker 1: changed they change it to hits. That's all I can
Speaker 1: ever think about. Well, it's funny is Natalie will change
Speaker 1: it to hitch button. She'll tell the story about buying
Speaker 1: the pontoon and won't change the word there. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna say that, you may as well
Speaker 1: go and say it all you wrote it when she
Speaker 1: did this show, because she came by it's about a
Speaker 1: few months now. She was talking about how she was
Speaker 1: buying a boat and then the song was playing. The
Speaker 1: guy I was like, I hate this song. She just
Speaker 1: she just said it's just kept from Outho. She wouldn't
Speaker 1: play at it first. You know, we would play these
Speaker 1: shows with me and Luke and Hard would play these
Speaker 1: bluebird things and she wouldn't want to. You know, she
Speaker 1: loves a little big town and everything. But but she
Speaker 1: I think because it was so it's a fun light song.
Speaker 1: Did you think that song again, because the first time
Speaker 1: I heard it, I was like, this song is really goofy.
Speaker 1: I thought, I said, this song is really goofy, And
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know have goofy. It's
Speaker 1: not so goofy now because we know it. It's it's
Speaker 1: like when you you know, uh, that now is normal
Speaker 1: to us because we've heard so many times. So Pontoon
Speaker 1: is not that goofy to me anymore. And a lot
Speaker 1: of it's Jay Joyce's production and Little Big Town, and
Speaker 1: that had been cut a different way, you know, that
Speaker 1: would have been super goofy. Could did you feel when
Speaker 1: you finished writing it it ever had a chance to
Speaker 1: have legs to be anything. I didn't think it would
Speaker 1: do what it did. I thought I thought it might
Speaker 1: get cut. Natalie and Luke were already having singles, you know,
Speaker 1: start to take off and do things, specially Luke, and
Speaker 1: so I thought, I mean, we started it, and it
Speaker 1: was seven months before we finished it because we wrote
Speaker 1: just the first little bit and then stopped and get
Speaker 1: hung on hitch. We're like, we can't figure out what
Speaker 1: comes after seven months. So Natalie and I only had
Speaker 1: the things she had to do and getting our calendars
Speaker 1: back together and all that, and then we got back together.
Speaker 1: It was right around Luke's birthday, so she came over
Speaker 1: and we gave up. If everybody wanted to Luke, you're
Speaker 1: not talking about Luke Bryan, No, I'm sorry. Luke lay
Speaker 1: over here too, That's right. So for Nuke reds Luke Lair, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so and so he. I came home after we wrote
Speaker 1: it and was laughing. I told my wife, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what to make of this thing.
Speaker 1: It's so so funny, but you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but Natalie and Luke have a lot of attention right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe something will happen. Never occurred to me that it
Speaker 1: would be such a big deal for me. It is
Speaker 1: my first number one. That's a thing too, where if
Speaker 1: you're in the room at the time with Natalie and Luke,
Speaker 1: they're having success, they're not writing a lot of songs
Speaker 1: that aren't at least getting looked at. That's right. So
Speaker 1: you know in that room that what you write at
Speaker 1: least is going to get a bigger look than if
Speaker 1: you're writing with a couple of other writers who weren't
Speaker 1: as hot at the night. That's right. Oh yeah, no question.
Speaker 1: And if Luke and Natalie we're here, they'd be horrified
Speaker 1: by this whole conversation. But you and I know it's
Speaker 1: absolutely true. Of course you're in the room with Rodney Claus.
Speaker 1: And there's a pretty good chance to people are gonna
Speaker 1: listen to Rodney Claus to Rodney song. Yeah, they might
Speaker 1: want to take a listen to that. Yeah, and uh
Speaker 1: and I think that's a pretty good deal. It's funny
Speaker 1: to have three people talking about this song because we've
Speaker 1: got three different three of the same stories, but all
Speaker 1: from a different slightly different A. Yeah, we did a
Speaker 1: c M A thing um and they we on tape,
Speaker 1: you know, and they interviewed us over at sound Aporium,
Speaker 1: and when we left, you know, we just nodded. And
Speaker 1: when we left, I said to Natalie and Luke, hey,
Speaker 1: before we go, we know that's not what really happened, right,
Speaker 1: It's like stories before you get pulled in. Here's how
Speaker 1: the bank was robbed. Remember, stick to the story. Here's
Speaker 1: what we did, right, right? Is that what we do?
Speaker 1: It's like the movie like say the number back out loud,
Speaker 1: say this real loud. So okay, okay, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of that. There's a lot of that. And sometimes you'll
Speaker 1: think something and then it's not who, um, pontoon? Whose
Speaker 1: idea was that? You remember? Like the initial idea? Well,
Speaker 1: I thought that the Natalie said it. Natalie said the
Speaker 1: word pontoon and um and Luke and I heard it
Speaker 1: fly across the room and I started googling instantly pontoons
Speaker 1: song and just to see, you know what it said.
Speaker 1: And uh, and there weren't any other pontoon. So like
Speaker 1: that's the thing, right, You have to make sure sometimes
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing if it's like I love you,
Speaker 1: but if it's something that I mean, the nineties happened,
Speaker 1: So pontoon seemed like, I mean, there's a watermelon crawl,
Speaker 1: so there may be a pontoon out there, you know,
Speaker 1: and I want to know about it. And uh. And again,
Speaker 1: when I'm in a room with somebody like Natalie, who's
Speaker 1: so talented and Luke, who is so good at what
Speaker 1: he does, I don't want to waste that day, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to waste any day actually, and so um,
Speaker 1: so I just googled it and then I looked at
Speaker 1: Luke and we're clear and he started playing that groove.
Speaker 1: And now did Natalie have it in mind before she
Speaker 1: came in. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. She was
Speaker 1: telling another story about their song called Fine Tune, which
Speaker 1: is on Mirando's fourth record, and Um, somebody had misheard
Speaker 1: the title and said, oh, what's that song pontoon? And
Speaker 1: so anyway, however it happened, we started it, and then
Speaker 1: about seven months later we finally finished it. They played
Speaker 1: it for Dirks and he didn't like it, and they
Speaker 1: played it for um Kicks Brooks Brooks and done it
Speaker 1: just parted ways and so Kicks and a nice email
Speaker 1: saying he thought it was hilarious, but he would not
Speaker 1: record it. And then that was really the end. And
Speaker 1: then when Creative Nation started, which is Beth and Luke
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm over there. Um, first week, first meeting
Speaker 1: Bets at her kitchen table, she goes, I'm going over
Speaker 1: to play songs for Jason for a little big town
Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna play there their manager and um,
Speaker 1: and she goes, how do you feel about pontoon? I
Speaker 1: was like, that's a great idea, and so that was
Speaker 1: what she played. And then after that it was real
Speaker 1: that's really Jason in a little big town and j
Speaker 1: Joyce and Jed Hughes on the lick, and I mean
Speaker 1: we were a pretty amazed where it went. I get that.
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Speaker 1: I mean there's so much and it's like what interests
Speaker 1: to me are not even like the because you have
Speaker 1: the other number ones too, But some of these songs,
Speaker 1: like I'm such a big Brothers fan, like I've known
Speaker 1: those guys so right this way, so let me tell
Speaker 1: you my brother's story, because I'm sure you have a
Speaker 1: wonderful story too, like by when it comes to people
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Speaker 1: co host Now and so and Lucy Silva's is very
Speaker 1: very close. If you don't love use Silva, you came
Speaker 1: to my friend, this is me. We're calling Lucy or no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: We have before, Yeah, we have before. So I was
Speaker 1: at a um what they call a morning show boot camp. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they have these and they asked me, They said, hey,
Speaker 1: will you come in and speak at a morning show
Speaker 1: boot camp? But so what it is. It's a bunch
Speaker 1: of radio people and like nerds like myself, And in
Speaker 1: my younger days, I would have given a finger to
Speaker 1: go to this, but they didn't have any money something
Speaker 1: They've never paid for me to go, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: afford it. But it was at the point of my
Speaker 1: career where they were like, hey, would you come speak
Speaker 1: Because I had built my own syndication company, and you know,
Speaker 1: I had risked a lot and I had some fortunate
Speaker 1: things happened because of the risk, and so I'll go
Speaker 1: up and give my story. And after I finished, they
Speaker 1: were like, Hey, these two new guys are gonna come
Speaker 1: and play. Nobody's ever heard of them. They're gonna come
Speaker 1: play for all the radio people. And I'm like, all right, cool, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: and these two two guys, one you know, kind of
Speaker 1: weirdly bearded dude and it's deep, I don't know, some
Speaker 1: other some other other dude to talk, you know, talk
Speaker 1: like this brother's Osmore came up and they just an
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar. One when used the guitar and they came
Speaker 1: up and they dipping, and I was like, these guys
Speaker 1: are good, and like nobody cared because I was paying
Speaker 1: attention because it wasn't the right environment. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: they weren't good, because obviously they are, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: the right environment and they just wanted to get him
Speaker 1: a front of radio people. And it wasn't even country.
Speaker 1: It was like pcent country people, you know, thty percent
Speaker 1: pop u hot a c. It was just everyone and
Speaker 1: nobody cared. And I remember going, man, those guys are good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're good there there. I love him. And my son
Speaker 1: is my wife, and she was she loves his voice,
Speaker 1: TJ's voice. And I knew John first because he was
Speaker 1: kind of he was around first, he was around in
Speaker 1: a band, but I really knew him through Lucy because
Speaker 1: I met Lucy. I think she said that I was
Speaker 1: one of the first people she met in that Villain
Speaker 1: I know, I introduced her to Buzzby and several other people,
Speaker 1: and and then she and John were trying to figure
Speaker 1: out if they were going to date, and then they
Speaker 1: were and and so so then through them I met
Speaker 1: t J and the John John and Charlie Worsham were
Speaker 1: in the same band for a while and no one
Speaker 1: could figure out what to do with that. Just think
Speaker 1: about that too, and it's like the Christapleton's and the
Speaker 1: John Singleton's and then just like wait, you didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do with that. It was almost too good
Speaker 1: for people to understand. It confuses them a little bit,
Speaker 1: like whoa this I don't know what this is. It's
Speaker 1: too good. It's like it's like too fireworks that was
Speaker 1: happening at the same time, So you don't know what
Speaker 1: You don't want to look at both of them, so
Speaker 1: you just lower your head. Yeah, which is wild. So
Speaker 1: you wrote wrong with with these fellas on one chord.
Speaker 1: It's one chord all the way through. They're they're doing
Speaker 1: because they're so musical, they're doing different things over it
Speaker 1: in inversions. But basically you could strongly maybe I'd like
Speaker 1: to play like D I got or whatever they time
Speaker 1: the root chord is they maybe in D sharper, But
Speaker 1: if you play an open D through that or whatever
Speaker 1: the one chord is, you can play it through the
Speaker 1: whole song. You would never know you could use words there.
Speaker 1: Should have put words there. What are you thinking that
Speaker 1: would have taken it on up? Yeah? Dang. So that
Speaker 1: was not a number one, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: their introduction. It helped them get to that. They'd had
Speaker 1: one single before that didn't do well. What was the
Speaker 1: song before that? I can't remember. I was trying to
Speaker 1: think of it as afraid you was gonna ask you, Well,
Speaker 1: you were right. Rom was really the first one that
Speaker 1: where they were like actually getting some real like oh
Speaker 1: there may be something to these guys. And and even then,
Speaker 1: I mean it's taken even at my fault was just
Speaker 1: hit ten. That's it. And they are so good, they're
Speaker 1: winning all the awards and there there critically crushing. It's
Speaker 1: like Marin for ex Apple, she doesn't have a number
Speaker 1: one that you know, my church is not number one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about that? It doesn't matter. That's true of old
Speaker 1: rock and roll, you know, like oh yeah, was like
Speaker 1: didn't have a number one. I could be rolling about
Speaker 1: which one did, but there's like they didn't have a
Speaker 1: number one till freaking armageddon. I don't want to miss
Speaker 1: a thing. You're talking about rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So, yes,
Speaker 1: there's this thing right where Yes and so and and
Speaker 1: Brothers are in that thing. Now. Yeah, they're good. Everybody
Speaker 1: loves them. They're winning all the awards. When they got
Speaker 1: on the bus, it was in California. The theater off
Speaker 1: the crumbled in, and they were like, we're not letting
Speaker 1: this show going for those who are listening and don't
Speaker 1: know the story. So Brother's rocks hard. I mean they're
Speaker 1: a rock and roll band and they play country songs.
Speaker 1: They're rock and roll band the plays country songs. So
Speaker 1: they're they're playing in this theater in California and the
Speaker 1: roof crumbles in, and they have stopped the show because
Speaker 1: of all the safety hazards. So they go and they're like,
Speaker 1: everybody go outside, and they get on top of their
Speaker 1: tour bus and they play their show on their tour
Speaker 1: bus on the roof of their tour bus. I called
Speaker 1: him and and they're probably take because it was like
Speaker 1: four in the morning where they were because they were
Speaker 1: West coast, because I had to get him on the
Speaker 1: air and talk about this, and I was like, John,
Speaker 1: this is the most rock and roll thing I've seen
Speaker 1: it like the past ten years. First of all the
Speaker 1: roof and then having kind of the wherewithal to go.
Speaker 1: You know what, how can we make this work? This
Speaker 1: about a show for our fans, and we're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: and even just the science of it. Let's get higher
Speaker 1: than are not just play it on the stairs or
Speaker 1: on the street. Let's get up where everybody can still see.
Speaker 1: There were so many levels where I was like, their
Speaker 1: next level. I love them, I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: t J pretty much tell you what he thinks. Uh,
Speaker 1: for sure, we'll tell you what he thinks. And the
Speaker 1: more he drinks, the more things that that's right. I
Speaker 1: get to write with him, I think. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what'll be on the new record, but they
Speaker 1: let me write with him some more. So it was
Speaker 1: really good. I love We had a David Neil cut
Speaker 1: together and you know that kind of thing, and they
Speaker 1: had John and t J on there, but not not
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, I mean, uh, because John is ferocious.
Speaker 1: When I I don't know which song it was at
Speaker 1: this point. Was it twenty one summer or was it?
Speaker 1: But we played a seven minute guitar solo on the record,
Speaker 1: Stay a little longer, Stay a little longer. That's by
Speaker 1: the way he played it was I believe a seven
Speaker 1: minute guitar solo, I know. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: somebody's crushing this thing. And I talked and that was John,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, you play this thing like
Speaker 1: I used my hand. And we were at dinner one
Speaker 1: night and I was talking to him about just guitar.
Speaker 1: And because John does not look like a nerd now,
Speaker 1: he looks like the opposite of a nerd, you know.
Speaker 1: He looks like a cool guy who's almost too cool
Speaker 1: that you're intimidated to go talk to because because he's
Speaker 1: in Denom and he's got this big beer and he's like,
Speaker 1: this guy does not give Yeah, And he was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was the biggest nerd. And I just said in
Speaker 1: my room and we just played guitar all the time
Speaker 1: because I was such a nerd. Yeah, And what a
Speaker 1: way to transform. When I was younger, I had a
Speaker 1: little poster from a magazine. It was a Yamaha and
Speaker 1: I think but I can't remember, may have been Gibson,
Speaker 1: but it said, well, it showed a guy going on
Speaker 1: stage and said, well, others party, do you practice? Now
Speaker 1: it's your turn to play. And I've never thought of
Speaker 1: that when until I saw that, at thought, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. You think of prints same deal? You know
Speaker 1: John mayor to May like he would just go in
Speaker 1: his room. Now there's there's a gift. But I think
Speaker 1: we all have some sort of gift, and it's do
Speaker 1: we take and do we fine tune that gift? And
Speaker 1: how hard do we find tune that gift? Because dear,
Speaker 1: I'm asset in a room and just read books. I was,
Speaker 1: I mean, I got to crabby out of me my
Speaker 1: whole life. Not not anymore. I'm I'm beating people up now.
Speaker 1: But that's what I did. I went to my room
Speaker 1: and read books and wrote. Always said, if I look
Speaker 1: like this in high school, it would have been a
Speaker 1: completely different trajectory. I think I was the last human
Speaker 1: in the eighties to get their growth spurts. So my
Speaker 1: high school I look like, you know, the kid from
Speaker 1: Wonder Years or Doogie Howser my whole time. And so
Speaker 1: you know, it's just funny because now you know, I'll say, well,
Speaker 1: you know when you kind of feel pushed around and
Speaker 1: people kind of look at me because you know, if
Speaker 1: you can't see me, but I'm fat and older guy
Speaker 1: and gray beard and you're not that old. But but
Speaker 1: back then it's not if you're listening like Google, I'm
Speaker 1: a thousand years old Google. Very deep, are you? Thank you? Though?
Speaker 1: Very nice for sweet So anyway, and so I can
Speaker 1: see why you do this. You're so flattering, you're yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like what you're from. You're from your a Kansas boy
Speaker 1: right right, born Oklahoma and raised in Pittsburgh, Kansas. Kind
Speaker 1: of your Joplin, Missouri right there in the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's because in Arkansas, that's where we we go up
Speaker 1: and you go up in that area like jop on
Speaker 1: the Did you watch Ozark at all? Yes? I did
Speaker 1: remind you at home at all? Yeah? Man, it reminded
Speaker 1: me of home. Yeah, and like the real like and
Speaker 1: I say it like I grew up And some people
Speaker 1: don't like the term, but I grew up really white trash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand. And I just say that so people can
Speaker 1: relate to it with I having to explain my circumstance
Speaker 1: and so I've watched the show, I've related more to
Speaker 1: the people that lived there that we're dealing with the
Speaker 1: issues than I did the main caracter. Absolutely I understood him.
Speaker 1: I understood the people that lived there and have these
Speaker 1: few options. Yeah, my options what and and none of
Speaker 1: them are good? None of them are It's like we
Speaker 1: we have only a few options and none of them
Speaker 1: are good. Which option are we going to take? Well,
Speaker 1: I say that I'm wired up for the apocalypse, not
Speaker 1: but if you give me the choice between ice cream
Speaker 1: or pie, you can melt me down. Two good things.
Speaker 1: I can't handle that, two bad things, no problem. I
Speaker 1: can do that all day. And I think that's part
Speaker 1: of that upbringing. You know, you come up tough, and
Speaker 1: you come up not tough, like I'm definitely yeah, we
Speaker 1: know we know to move and get away. But I
Speaker 1: mean more more like, you don't have a lot of things.
Speaker 1: You you stand out because you don't have the nikes
Speaker 1: or the whatever's, you know what I mean? That was
Speaker 1: how I was, you know, I mean, you know, my
Speaker 1: mom made my clothes when I was a little you know,
Speaker 1: I mean that kind of a thing. I was lucky
Speaker 1: that I had that, you know, I mean, but it
Speaker 1: was a different deal, you know, and then my kids
Speaker 1: know it's weird, isn't weird because I don't have any kids,
Speaker 1: and so but i'd like to have kids, and I
Speaker 1: like you grew up with very little, very little, very
Speaker 1: very little. But I think, and you know, when I'm
Speaker 1: running the second book now, and a big part of
Speaker 1: it is a lot of what I don't even like
Speaker 1: to say endured, a lot of what I learned, nice word,
Speaker 1: from being five to twenty two has made me so
Speaker 1: strong that today I'll knock it down like I am.
Speaker 1: It may look tough for a second, it may be
Speaker 1: a daunting task for a minute, but that this is
Speaker 1: nothing like that that I learned like and and I
Speaker 1: can do things and I have learned from it. So
Speaker 1: for me, like if I have kids, like I almost
Speaker 1: feel like they won't get to there's this guilt, like
Speaker 1: if I bring a kid in like I do pretty
Speaker 1: well now, Like I'm a single guy. I got a
Speaker 1: great job, I got a national radio show, so there's
Speaker 1: already a I don't even have kids, and I feel
Speaker 1: guilty that I have kids. So you gotta have that too.
Speaker 1: Now you have some success, how do you teach your
Speaker 1: kids to not be jerks. Yeah, well they unfortunately they
Speaker 1: take after their mother. But I think that's a great point.
Speaker 1: We were just back visiting in Kansas, not for Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: but over the summer, and I had him go over
Speaker 1: and you know, do stuff with my dad and sweep
Speaker 1: the warehouse floor and do the different thing. Do they
Speaker 1: get it or is it like a field trip to them?
Speaker 1: I think it's a field trip for them. But the
Speaker 1: other thing I would say is they pick up from
Speaker 1: me and Gin what matters to us. And it's interesting,
Speaker 1: but they I think they notice that what we respect
Speaker 1: and what we don't respect. I respect people that work hard.
Speaker 1: I respect people that are kind to other people. And
Speaker 1: Jennifer especially feels like you should be involved and help
Speaker 1: other people, and they seem to be doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm watching Luke Laird's little boys are younger than mine,
Speaker 1: and so you know, they're already acting like their dad
Speaker 1: and their moms. So you're like, they'll probably pick it
Speaker 1: up from you. I mean, for me, what I wasn't
Speaker 1: prepared for was dealing with good you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wired up, and I think you are too,
Speaker 1: probably just from I've read your book and and and
Speaker 1: so it sounds to me like you're kind of like similar.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the same, but wired up for
Speaker 1: the long haul, you know, like I will show up.
Speaker 1: I will be there. It's what I know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the only thing that I consistently have is that I
Speaker 1: will show up every time we try to take vacations now,
Speaker 1: which is something we never for did, girl, I never
Speaker 1: my my parents would take us on these business trips.
Speaker 1: My dad had to go to with it where you
Speaker 1: would show his products, you know, at the show, and
Speaker 1: he would say, from the interstate, you see those buildings
Speaker 1: over there, that's downtown Dallas, somewhere down over there is
Speaker 1: where John Kennedy was shot, and that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: how we saw That's how we saw Dewlie Plaza or
Speaker 1: those kinds of things that he was. He was trying
Speaker 1: to show it, but he was. You know, my mother
Speaker 1: when he were raised in rural Oklahoma. My dad, my
Speaker 1: grandfather was a sharecropper, so they were they were culturally
Speaker 1: shifting from where they had been. You know. So the
Speaker 1: thing about you too, is that like you're a grinder,
Speaker 1: Like not on grinder, but you're a grinder in that.
Speaker 1: It took you a minute. Oh yeah, because yeah, you
Speaker 1: moved to California first, right, I write songs out there.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah, you've really Yeah, that's right. When I
Speaker 1: was young, eighteen years old, I've been out there. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, at eighteen, we're almost like we
Speaker 1: have got the whole world ahead of it. Who cares
Speaker 1: if we fail, let's just go. But you go, And
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't work out. So you went to
Speaker 1: you went to write like, you know, top four whatever,
Speaker 1: Top forty was at the time at the time, pretty soft,
Speaker 1: but it was yeah, the eighties pop, you know. And
Speaker 1: I was kind of like the worst, like Rick Astley,
Speaker 1: without the credibility and importance. And so I went out
Speaker 1: there and I was doing that thing and and you know,
Speaker 1: really I ran out of brave. I don't have a
Speaker 1: bad story about l A. I got in with the
Speaker 1: top guy at A and M and the time, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just kept hustling and then there was just a
Speaker 1: moment of Thanksgiving. It was Barney's Beanery. I was by myself.
Speaker 1: I had a little brother back home, and uh, and
Speaker 1: I grew up in a very religious conservative religious environment,
Speaker 1: so pursuing pop music in the late eighties was seen
Speaker 1: as the wide way to destruction. So it had created
Speaker 1: a big rift in the family for me to do this.
Speaker 1: So they were like, what are you doing? Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a period of time back then. I'm I
Speaker 1: think we're through that. But where people would uh, you know,
Speaker 1: there was Christian music, which was not like it is now.
Speaker 1: It was more like a there was some good Christian
Speaker 1: music and but but it was like, there's a secular
Speaker 1: band that big, here's the Christian version of it, and um,
Speaker 1: and I went towards the pop side, and because that's
Speaker 1: where the door opened. It really, that's what it came
Speaker 1: down to. Did you get close at all? Did you
Speaker 1: feel like that? I got pretty I mean I got
Speaker 1: closer than I should have because I was, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I did some songs I played them for there was
Speaker 1: a guy at the Capital, and there was a guy
Speaker 1: at A and M and and the A and M
Speaker 1: guy was like, do three or four more and come back.
Speaker 1: They didn't pay for him, but they and so then
Speaker 1: I went and did those. But that was when I
Speaker 1: kind of ran out of I just ran out of brave,
Speaker 1: you know, And I saw, I went back home, sold
Speaker 1: all the gear, and in retrospect, I kind of went
Speaker 1: into the darkness a little bit, just kind of I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but I just sort of whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad signed me. He said, if you're going to
Speaker 1: live back here for a while, you're going to go
Speaker 1: to college. I said, picked him. He picked my major,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was it was great to
Speaker 1: let me come back and printing management. Printing management, he said,
Speaker 1: because they're always going to be people who need to
Speaker 1: print checks, which made sense and whatever that was or
Speaker 1: nine and uh so I did those classes and I
Speaker 1: took music classes. You know Jennifer Shot that wrote this
Speaker 1: town still talks about you with Natalie. She's from my hometown.
Speaker 1: My wife and Jennifer Shot cheerleader together. And her father
Speaker 1: was my saxophone instructor from eighth grade until college and
Speaker 1: through college and um so, and I didn't graduate. You know,
Speaker 1: I was never I just was lost. I really was
Speaker 1: just lost. Then I started working at the company and
Speaker 1: and helped grow that and um and there was a
Speaker 1: Christian singer, young lady. Now we're in the nineties and
Speaker 1: I'm helping run that company and doing software and video
Speaker 1: and things like that. And a friend of mine said, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's this one singer in this Christian worship group. You
Speaker 1: should go here. I had a I had a video studio,
Speaker 1: we had animation studios and suits. We had all that
Speaker 1: for this education company. And UM, part of that, I
Speaker 1: would buy little bits of gear that I never could afford.
Speaker 1: You know, the nineties had happened Nirvana, so everybody was
Speaker 1: selling off their drum machines and synths. Well those were
Speaker 1: things I couldn't have afforded back then. So you know,
Speaker 1: i'd buy a land drum and I'd buy a synth.
Speaker 1: And I had a little room. And so I went
Speaker 1: and heard this young lady and and um, so I
Speaker 1: helped with her independent record. Her name was Jennifer Napp
Speaker 1: and uh and so she had an album called wishing Well,
Speaker 1: which became an album called Kansas and it did really well.
Speaker 1: But she didn't know I wrote. I just sort of
Speaker 1: let him use my studio and came in and helped
Speaker 1: mix the indie record and then um, somewhere in there, um,
Speaker 1: we were in town on business. So I came to
Speaker 1: Nashville and I gotten married, and we went to the
Speaker 1: Blue Bird that was amazing. I've never been around. That
Speaker 1: kind of helped me locate my soul again. And then
Speaker 1: we went home and I got called to meet with
Speaker 1: another education company. Maybe it wasn't really headhunting, but it
Speaker 1: was that kind of a scenario. And I told Jennifer
Speaker 1: about it, and we've only been married a year and
Speaker 1: a half, and she said, well, if if that's your passion,
Speaker 1: you know, we should do that. And I laughed and
Speaker 1: she was what And I was like, um um, I
Speaker 1: think it was thirty five. I'm not sure passions. How
Speaker 1: we should do this. You know, I got a good
Speaker 1: job in a small town. I need to be thankful
Speaker 1: for that, you know. And so she kept pushing me,
Speaker 1: what what is it that you wanted to do? What
Speaker 1: did you And I never talked about going to l
Speaker 1: A and I mean she knew generally I had done
Speaker 1: some music. But finally we had a conversation and I said,
Speaker 1: what I really wanted to do was be a songwriter
Speaker 1: and work in the studios. I don't really think I
Speaker 1: had the artistics the artist stick like an artists personality
Speaker 1: on the stage and uh, but I wanted to work
Speaker 1: in that field and and write songs. I love to
Speaker 1: write songs. Now, I didn't think this was a goal
Speaker 1: to pursue. I was just admitting that that had been
Speaker 1: the goal. And um, it may have been a week,
Speaker 1: it could have been two or three weeks. She came
Speaker 1: in and she said, well, you take me on a
Speaker 1: cruise for our second anniversary. And I suggest, ma'amouil, and
Speaker 1: she goes, this is the one and Nashville Songwriters Are Association.
Speaker 1: They had done. They did a song cruise. It was
Speaker 1: like Hugh Prestwood and and uh Ralph Murphy and Steve
Speaker 1: Seskin and a bunch of a bunch of pro writers
Speaker 1: Craig Wiseman, and they would in the morning, while you're
Speaker 1: having breakfast, they would talk about songwriting and then you'd
Speaker 1: go snorkel, rerecord, scooter or whatever you'd normally do on
Speaker 1: your cruise. And so that's what we did. We and
Speaker 1: I sat in the back and took notes. I couldn't
Speaker 1: play the guitar yet, Um I played piano and I'd
Speaker 1: already heard you weren't supposed to do that, So I
Speaker 1: just sat in the back and took notes. Everybody else,
Speaker 1: you know, was kind of the person at the party
Speaker 1: that pulls out their guitar and play songs. I wasn't
Speaker 1: that guy. And so the last day Wiseman and Prestwood
Speaker 1: came over and said, you know, we can't really tell
Speaker 1: whether you are good or you suck, but you're the
Speaker 1: only one who hasn't tried to play as a song.
Speaker 1: And so I played him a song and they said
Speaker 1: you should come to town next month and start coming
Speaker 1: back and forth. And by the way, Wiseman doesn't remember
Speaker 1: this at all, but it was life changing for me.
Speaker 1: So that just does to the kind of impact I
Speaker 1: make when I meet someone. And but I started coming
Speaker 1: back and forth, taking guitar lessons from Ellen Britain here
Speaker 1: in town and going home and practicing and and uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We did that for a while how long,
Speaker 1: probably a year maybe two, And then I got signed
Speaker 1: all this. Okay, let's back here. You married her something
Speaker 1: from from your town, and you brought her here and
Speaker 1: she was the instrumental and you getting here. Yes, I
Speaker 1: was married once before, um, when I was very young.
Speaker 1: When I came back um, and when I was very young,
Speaker 1: I'm married. We had a little boy, and then I
Speaker 1: ended up being a single parent raising him full time,
Speaker 1: and and uh, of course my parents were trying to
Speaker 1: help with that too, because I was working, so my
Speaker 1: mom was helping. And so I kind of assumed I'd
Speaker 1: just be single and raise Alex and that's what we do.
Speaker 1: And and um then I met Jin and uh and
Speaker 1: so she really, I mean strangely, she really changed my life. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's weird because normally you hear like the
Speaker 1: spouse is like, that's crazy. You've got a good job,
Speaker 1: we've got benefits, you're gonna risk it all go do this.
Speaker 1: I was the guy saying that this is crazy. And
Speaker 1: then we had a well I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know this, but I have a daughter as well, and
Speaker 1: she has special needs. So right in the middle, right
Speaker 1: as we were preparing to do all that signing the
Speaker 1: deal and stuff, you know, we have this baby born
Speaker 1: sixteen weeks early and all that kind of stuff. And uh,
Speaker 1: for me, it was like, Okay, we're done. We got
Speaker 1: a good job, small town, we're locking this down. And
Speaker 1: for Jennifer it was not that way. For her, it
Speaker 1: was we're gonna need to be in a town with
Speaker 1: a children's hospital. Alex needs a better high school. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love my hometown. It's our hometown. But you know,
Speaker 1: Alex was not you know, a football alignment. He was
Speaker 1: a I mean, he was the kid that could quiz
Speaker 1: out of Algebra one and two in sixth grade, That's who.
Speaker 1: And he liked that it was great at it. And
Speaker 1: so I'm looking at that going. You know, at least
Speaker 1: I was angry enough as a kid that I could
Speaker 1: sort of smileth the enough that I could survive. But
Speaker 1: this kid's brilliant and kind. Maybe he needs a different
Speaker 1: educational opportunity than I had, you know. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: there's greatness that comes from loving your environment but also
Speaker 1: knowing how it was hard and shaped you. But there
Speaker 1: is another side that goes I'm not sure every kid
Speaker 1: needs to be put through that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I understand what you're saying, Do I
Speaker 1: know what you mean? Not yet? Well, I think you'd
Speaker 1: be I've read your book. I think you'ld be a
Speaker 1: great dad. I mean, but I'm not in charge of
Speaker 1: the scoring of dads. But but you know, you've got
Speaker 1: the heart for it. You you're you want to do
Speaker 1: well and it is amazing how you know. But I
Speaker 1: just anyway, that's how I got into this was going
Speaker 1: back and forth. And then even after I signed my deal,
Speaker 1: even after the first song was on the radio, UM,
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe maybe it's too big a jump
Speaker 1: because everybody at here so great, you know, these raw
Speaker 1: talent people, you know, And what was the first song
Speaker 1: was on the radio for you God's Will with Martina McBride.
Speaker 1: It feel like, man, my song is on the radio,
Speaker 1: Like like, what in the world, I was punt of
Speaker 1: checks cover. You make any money from the song? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that album sold couple of million copies and that that
Speaker 1: song got to number sixteen, and um, but for me,
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was also a songwriting lesson
Speaker 1: because you know I I wrote by myself, as I said,
Speaker 1: And so Reba cut a song of mine that I
Speaker 1: wrote by myself. It was called Moving Alida Moviela. It
Speaker 1: was the hardest thing. The nurses son, old woman crying,
Speaker 1: but he saw the love of his life. She don't
Speaker 1: know where she is, but she knows this isn't home.
Speaker 1: Loud is a hard, hard road, still get you. It's
Speaker 1: amazing that she did it. Um And again, I this
Speaker 1: shares a lot of the themes of a lot of
Speaker 1: the songs I've had recorded are that. I didn't think
Speaker 1: anyone would record them. Um. In this case, it's it
Speaker 1: was so personal and so sad. It wasn't even supposed
Speaker 1: to have been played for the publisher. My friend Byron
Speaker 1: burned my schedule a CD that you when you first
Speaker 1: signed a deal, they listened to all your songs. He
Speaker 1: just saw it in the folder and drug it over.
Speaker 1: So they called me from Nashville. I'm still in Kansas
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, well there's a song on here
Speaker 1: about an old woman. It's about halfway done. I had
Speaker 1: a verse in a chorus and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. It's called moving Alita or something. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that wasn't so sorry. That was not
Speaker 1: supposed to be on there. And they started. Chris Oglesby
Speaker 1: started let he goes, that's the only one I like.
Speaker 1: I was like ouch, and he was like, no, seriously,
Speaker 1: you need to do I mean it was a CD
Speaker 1: responding of things like that. One told you to like
Speaker 1: something but you like, but you hated the rest. I
Speaker 1: saw the Grammy special that was on sixty years of
Speaker 1: the Gramms. Do you see that Stevie Wonder is on there?
Speaker 1: And they say they're talking about how many times he's
Speaker 1: sung on the Grammys in twenties. Sometimes but he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been good to me, and I wanted. He's an
Speaker 1: older guy. He's like, but I've never one song of
Speaker 1: the year. That's my goal. I'm gonna try to win
Speaker 1: song of the Year. He's won twenty five Grammys. There
Speaker 1: was a period of four years in the seventies where
Speaker 1: he one album of the year three out of four years,
Speaker 1: different albums, and but all he can think about is
Speaker 1: I never one song of the year. And it probably
Speaker 1: haunts the crap you can tell you can You don't
Speaker 1: get to that without having that in you, good or bad.
Speaker 1: That's the little engine that that's what pushes. It's those
Speaker 1: little things that burn you, burn you. Yeah that's true, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's right. So anyway, we moved to Nashville
Speaker 1: after God's Will and uh, but but I went after Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was after that was on the radio, and I
Speaker 1: was gonna say about the writing was so I wrote
Speaker 1: Moving Alita, and I didn't think they should finish it,
Speaker 1: you know, should record it, a demo it, But they
Speaker 1: had me demo it and then um Reba heard it
Speaker 1: and recorded it and I'm super great full. And that
Speaker 1: song then opened the door for Tom Douglas and I
Speaker 1: had to write. I had met him, we'd had coffee once,
Speaker 1: but I would I'd never ask anybody to write, because
Speaker 1: I always felt like that was pretty presumptive, and I
Speaker 1: still do for me and uh but um we wrote,
Speaker 1: and it was all morning. I was throwing every kind
Speaker 1: of clever thought that I thought was country. And then
Speaker 1: he took me to lunch, which you know is the
Speaker 1: sign for you have failed. And so we went to
Speaker 1: lunch and then we went we came back. He goes,
Speaker 1: let's go in for a few more minutes. Is there
Speaker 1: anything else you've been thinking about? I said, well, this
Speaker 1: is not commercial, but I have this idea. And I
Speaker 1: talked about this a song called God's Will. I wrote
Speaker 1: these things in my journal and blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: he goes, could I see it? And I just tore
Speaker 1: the pages out of my journal and spread them on
Speaker 1: the piano. And that's how he wrote that song. And
Speaker 1: and that was a big life lesson for me as
Speaker 1: a writer, because all of a sudden, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is for me. I'm gonna have to put
Speaker 1: myself out there to do this, To take your journal
Speaker 1: and just put it out there, that's about as vulnerable
Speaker 1: as you'd be. Yeah, And so I thought, Okay, well
Speaker 1: that's what this is gonna be. That's gonna be hard,
Speaker 1: and uh, because I was pretty locked up. And I
Speaker 1: know I seem like a free spirit, bohemian kind of guy,
Speaker 1: but I was very locked up and um. But so
Speaker 1: that was the beginning of that journey. And so now
Speaker 1: that's really I do keep all my notes and my
Speaker 1: scribbles and my journals and and and it's worked the
Speaker 1: other way to where like when we wrote with Katherine McPhee,
Speaker 1: you know, after a day or so together, the next
Speaker 1: day she sat down and opened her journal and we
Speaker 1: read it together. And so I've been really kind of
Speaker 1: blessed that artists kind of no, I'm not I'm on
Speaker 1: your team. You know, I'm here to help you know,
Speaker 1: So what I'm always some of these songs, you know,
Speaker 1: weren't massive like radio hits, but that I enjoy. So
Speaker 1: I know you, Steve More, you guys are both creative.
Speaker 1: Steve I was just with him, we were doing vocal.
Speaker 1: One of the nicest guys. He's the best guy and
Speaker 1: Gracie his wife, like they're just they're good people, right,
Speaker 1: and so you guys are being so and all the ground.
Speaker 1: That's a guy who they haven't figured out what to
Speaker 1: do with yet when they and when they do, that's
Speaker 1: his trouble because he's that good. He's got fans, he's
Speaker 1: got you know, he's got the work ethic, he's it's great.
Speaker 1: We wrote that it's Luke Blaird and Thomas Rhett and
Speaker 1: I wrote that it's been pretty cool bag he's he's
Speaker 1: a good guy. And then my co host like, all right,
Speaker 1: he was wating my COEs like best friends. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: yeah complain. So let's see. I mean, you have massive heads.
Speaker 1: I always tend to go away. The song like day
Speaker 1: Drinking for a little big time, This is a monster.
Speaker 1: Number one was this. This is the first song on
Speaker 1: that album, right, like this is the Yeah, Pontoon was
Speaker 1: the first single off the one before it, and this
Speaker 1: was the first one off. Man, how easy is that
Speaker 1: when you get the first single both times? That's good.
Speaker 1: That's grateful, you know that. And we there's no waiting
Speaker 1: around like it's gonna be a single, Like when you
Speaker 1: get the first single off both Records. We wrote this
Speaker 1: maybe a year before the album came out. We we
Speaker 1: we thought, oh, we'll write with them and then we'll
Speaker 1: write some more with them. That's the only time I
Speaker 1: wrote with him for that record, and that song I
Speaker 1: had to sit there for a year, you know. Did
Speaker 1: you feel like as it was sitting there that there
Speaker 1: was something to it or as as it in there,
Speaker 1: the longer agoes the more just kind of was worried.
Speaker 1: I really was worried. I mean, they have so many
Speaker 1: great songs, but but they kept saying that's what they
Speaker 1: were gonna do, and and I think they cut it
Speaker 1: a few times to get it, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the demo, it's very similar to the demo, I mean,
Speaker 1: which is rare normally j Joyce changes it drastically, certainly
Speaker 1: made it cooler, but it's very close to the demo.
Speaker 1: And we again, you know, Troy had the title and
Speaker 1: when he said it, I kind of gave him the
Speaker 1: head no, like no, maybe not, and they were like,
Speaker 1: we love it. I was like, okay, you like it,
Speaker 1: and she whistled. She was on vocal. She was trying
Speaker 1: to give herself vocal rest in during the week, you know,
Speaker 1: and so she did it, and I thought she wanted
Speaker 1: whistling in the song, so I swung the mic around
Speaker 1: and we all whistled like crazy people. And later she
Speaker 1: was like, I was just trying to show you that
Speaker 1: melody that Troy had played, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so I'm working on my listening skills, but are they
Speaker 1: not so good? So how about this one here? Michael
Speaker 1: Ray think at less. Uh, well that's Thomas Rhett and
Speaker 1: Jimmy Robbins, John Knight and myself wrote it on the bus. Um,
Speaker 1: Thomas Thomas's bus as the first of his number one
Speaker 1: was climbing and so he wasn't there yet. Um and
Speaker 1: um wait so as Thomas is going on is afraid
Speaker 1: that first number one but he's paying for three riders
Speaker 1: on the road with them. Um. He just led us right,
Speaker 1: We're all on one bus and we all just sort
Speaker 1: of crammed in there. John Knight wasn't there. John and
Speaker 1: Jimmy had the It started the little riff and the
Speaker 1: title and then um, then me and Thomas jumped ontr
Speaker 1: We jumped on it and and trs on, I have
Speaker 1: other songs with you. The Suitcase is another one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think we were in Uh, I feel like
Speaker 1: we were in Ohio, maybe in Columbus, Ohio when we
Speaker 1: wrote that, And so did you? Was it like, Okay,
Speaker 1: where's it gonna go? When you wrote it? Was it
Speaker 1: a tr song? We thought? So. We knew he was trying.
Speaker 1: They were trying to get him to get some sexy numbers,
Speaker 1: and so we thought of sexy number number take back
Speaker 1: everything I said about you being young, your sexy numbers. All, hey,
Speaker 1: let's do some sexy numbers. And three. Last night I
Speaker 1: was watching that Burt Burns bang thing and the guy goes,
Speaker 1: it was so funky. It was so funky. That's like
Speaker 1: I know exactly what I just sounded like. And uh,
Speaker 1: he was like ninety. It was so funky. But we
Speaker 1: wrote it and then he didn't cut it. So I thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's probably it. Four years to the week from when
Speaker 1: we wrote it. It went number one. Four years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's set there. The craziest song can last that long.
Speaker 1: It's still be cool. I couldn't believe it. Well, Michael
Speaker 1: was happy, and all your songs are great like years later,
Speaker 1: He's just it's like wine. Not all my songs like enough.
Speaker 1: That's what I wrote. Mostly balanced the first few years,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's what I you know how it
Speaker 1: is when whatever got you in the game, so to speak,
Speaker 1: just I think subconsciously reinforcement wise, you're like, well, that
Speaker 1: must be the thing, you know, Like you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to go to Barbra Streissan and say this song not
Speaker 1: the note. I mean, she's going to do the big note.
Speaker 1: And that's what bought the house. And so I was
Speaker 1: really you know, I was killing a lot of people
Speaker 1: in my songs and it was a high body count,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like a nineties rap album, and um,
Speaker 1: but we did. That's why I did. I wrote a
Speaker 1: lot of songs and then and then if I would
Speaker 1: write a fun song, we would turn it in. They'd
Speaker 1: be like, why are you doing that. You don't write
Speaker 1: the fun songs. You write the heavy songs. The pain magnet,
Speaker 1: you know. They would say stuff like that. So okay,
Speaker 1: and then Pontoon hit and then people would show him go,
Speaker 1: I just see like a summer song. It's just like
Speaker 1: a fun song. Quicker get put into these little categories
Speaker 1: just attic and you're like, well, okay, I guess I
Speaker 1: am the you know, the least fun guy in Nashville.
Speaker 1: I should write the summer songs. That's funny. So you know,
Speaker 1: I just, I mean, I pretty much have your whole
Speaker 1: catalog here. That's not all good. You're right, You're right
Speaker 1: some of them. I'm just You're like, you don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about you being nice. But like this song here,
Speaker 1: I love I love when it was on maren Z
Speaker 1: because I'm maren Z Pete business Like. I listened to
Speaker 1: that EP and that record so much. I can't even
Speaker 1: as the person who talks on the radio, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what the singles were from a record anymore,
Speaker 1: because you just because I love the whole album so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that wasn't a single, was it? Okay, it wasn't love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's great, And you wrote that with her before she
Speaker 1: was Marion Morris, which was Mary Morris. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: and Natalie I know called her. I didn't call her,
Speaker 1: but I met her and it hurt her, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, that's just right because she's just magic.
Speaker 1: And and we wrote a lot of great songs, but
Speaker 1: its a lot of heavy songs and then a lot
Speaker 1: of fun songs. It was one about the summer that
Speaker 1: was fun. And but that one, you know, I feel like,
Speaker 1: and you did this on the morning, that you make
Speaker 1: it fun, you make it easy, get everybody comfortable, because
Speaker 1: it'll it'll go a lot better if everybody's as safe
Speaker 1: as you can make it, you know. And and and
Speaker 1: that's how we try to do our our rights, you know,
Speaker 1: as to try to get everybody loose and everybody knowing
Speaker 1: how you can. You can be wrong, you can make
Speaker 1: a mistake if you want to play the shaker or
Speaker 1: the guitar and you're not a guitar player, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Let's just have a good time. And and then invariable
Speaker 1: when you start start doing that, somebody will say it'll
Speaker 1: it'll fly through the room and you'll see it, you know.
Speaker 1: And and that's a case where you know, she made
Speaker 1: some comment about like drunk girls drunk cry, and we
Speaker 1: were like, yes, And she may have had that as
Speaker 1: a title, but it didn't she didn't present it in
Speaker 1: a formal way, and we just chased it, you know,
Speaker 1: And it was fun. I remember her downstairs doing vocals
Speaker 1: on the work tape, and I would say, because she's
Speaker 1: such a good singer, and she works so hard, and
Speaker 1: and I always wanted her to get to laugh, have
Speaker 1: more fun, and so I would be like, now, sing
Speaker 1: it like your best friend in high school, now singing
Speaker 1: it like you know, we're the girl that was always mean?
Speaker 1: Do you do you never understand why? Sing it like
Speaker 1: her now? And we would just and she would change
Speaker 1: her voice. It was amazing. And then we played a
Speaker 1: show in London, a little one like not like she's
Speaker 1: played the big stage over there, but we were just
Speaker 1: doing a bluebird comes to see to see and and
Speaker 1: she really, you know, we almost did it, but we did.
Speaker 1: I've never played it out with her, but it'd be
Speaker 1: fun to hear her do it live. You know a
Speaker 1: song that wasn't a number one that if you would
Speaker 1: have asked me how to bet it was? Is this
Speaker 1: one from McGraw sing like that's the laster. It's some
Speaker 1: songs are lasters even though they didn't hit number one.
Speaker 1: This is the last awesome thing, like me and you
Speaker 1: where'd that one end up? You know? Three went to
Speaker 1: number one? Not that I was watching? How fresh? How frustrated?
Speaker 1: Is there a big difference in getting paid for a
Speaker 1: three and a one? Not really different than a seven
Speaker 1: and one? Yes? There is? Where is kind of that
Speaker 1: five threshold. Always stay in the top five pays about
Speaker 1: the same. But but but then it's different, you know,
Speaker 1: after that, what do you have? Because I'm fasting because
Speaker 1: and then again I have friends who are songimes and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bring up it on there. They tell
Speaker 1: me how much number one it gets paid, right, so
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, you split it out by the time
Speaker 1: you the difference between I think a little Less, which
Speaker 1: is the number one, and Girls Chase Boys, which is
Speaker 1: in a different format is getting played all which which
Speaker 1: song did you make more money off of? Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. I'm gonna a probably Girls Chase Boys
Speaker 1: because it did cross It didn't go into the top
Speaker 1: twenty on top forty, but because it crossed the top forty,
Speaker 1: if it had just stayed on Adults or Hottie See,
Speaker 1: it would not make as much as a country song.
Speaker 1: But but it crossed over and and it played on
Speaker 1: Hottie Sea up into the top two or three, and
Speaker 1: so it did really well there. And it's only a
Speaker 1: three way, so that has a huge factor. Day drinking
Speaker 1: is a a five way? I think, No, no, a
Speaker 1: four way. Let me count. I mean, when you get
Speaker 1: that many people. It's a five way five people drink
Speaker 1: because it how many of little bit to day drinking.
Speaker 1: Everybody but Kimberly, I remember telling the story she was
Speaker 1: was she like cooking another room or something, or she
Speaker 1: had like a TV show and she did that she
Speaker 1: was doing. Maybe that's that's the I think she had
Speaker 1: a thing for that. And you know, I've with with Luke,
Speaker 1: Troy and I've written with the whole band, which is
Speaker 1: that's a leg stick, you know thing I like when
Speaker 1: we write with the Osborne boys, Troy and I will
Speaker 1: we'll write with them. It's a four way and it's
Speaker 1: really worth it because Troy so guitar, he's great, Troy
Speaker 1: vergess Is, you know, he's just a pro. But but
Speaker 1: he can shift over with John and inspire John and
Speaker 1: I can work with t J and then we can
Speaker 1: grow it all together. But so, yeah, speaking of you
Speaker 1: n tr right together? Didn't didn't tr right this year? Yeah? Afore?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Joe, Joe, Joe dip it. Luke
Speaker 1: talked about it. I heard part of his podcast, but
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it all. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He was Luke Laird and me and Thomas Rhett, and
Speaker 1: we spent all This happens a lot, you know, the
Speaker 1: first several years I was here. You know, you'd show
Speaker 1: up and I'd sit down with you and we would
Speaker 1: come up with a title, and we would outline the song,
Speaker 1: and then we would write it, and we would spend
Speaker 1: all days staring at the ceiling ing and there'd be
Speaker 1: a lot of that behavior. And I'm not against that,
Speaker 1: but Luke, I think, is the master of kind of going, look,
Speaker 1: we're recording everything we're doing. If you and I are
Speaker 1: working on something and all of a sudden we have
Speaker 1: another idea that we both go and look at. Just
Speaker 1: save what you have and chase it, it's okay. And um,
Speaker 1: so we'd spend all day on a very serious idea,
Speaker 1: much like diamond rings, We've spent all day on some
Speaker 1: other thing. And about that three o'clock time, UM, we
Speaker 1: kind of had that feeling like none of us really
Speaker 1: knows what we want to do with this song. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure we're in love with this song. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to say it, but everybody kind of feels like, I
Speaker 1: think we've wasted our day. And but then we didn't leave.
Speaker 1: So we wrote diamond rings. Well, the same thing happened here.
Speaker 1: We've been working on a real serious song about something
Speaker 1: God and country music or something like that. And it's
Speaker 1: like three o'clock and Thomas is a worker. Again you
Speaker 1: talk about a guy who just goes, and so Luke
Speaker 1: called but loop and um, Thomas just started kind of
Speaker 1: singing along, and I was so, I said, did you
Speaker 1: say nineteen nine? And Luke had on a flannel with
Speaker 1: a T shirt that had Tracy Lawrence on it face shirt.
Speaker 1: He goes, Tracy Lawrence nine four like that, and I
Speaker 1: said guns and Roses or Nevada nine. And so then
Speaker 1: Thomas redos. My dad was out on the radio and
Speaker 1: in and so we were like, what would that be,
Speaker 1: n Mark Chestnut, Joe Diffy, and one of those guys
Speaker 1: went Joe Joe Diffy, and then the other one was like,
Speaker 1: let me see a Diffy and I'm like, well, the
Speaker 1: real Joe Diffy, please stand up. And we're just laughing,
Speaker 1: having fun, joking around, and we're like, throw something down,
Speaker 1: you know. We started writing, and he threw down a verse,
Speaker 1: and then we had had with the little chorus. Second
Speaker 1: verse obviously didn't take very long, and and then it
Speaker 1: was kind of the end of the day. Luke went
Speaker 1: to a thing. I put some bass on it, mixed
Speaker 1: it out, sent it to tr that and t R
Speaker 1: sends it to his dad. His dad plays it for
Speaker 1: Joe Diffy. And that was a Friday. And so on Monday,
Speaker 1: we're in the studio Luke and I demoing songs and
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, I gotta leave it lunchtime. I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to go up to ask app and play songs for
Speaker 1: for Jason Alden and Michael Knox. And they had only invited,
Speaker 1: you know, just a few brand name you know writers
Speaker 1: up there and um. So he laughed, and when he
Speaker 1: came back, he goes, he won't believe it. I was
Speaker 1: like what. He goes, they like Joe Diffy and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait minute, Joe Diffy like from Friday. He
Speaker 1: was like, well, I went in and they said they
Speaker 1: need something different tempo, something with a loop on it.
Speaker 1: It's kind of different. And I thought, because I had
Speaker 1: by that point, I probably had eighteen Aldane holds. I've
Speaker 1: been hammering away because I saw Aldane's voice and the
Speaker 1: way he is. I saw it as a way to
Speaker 1: have Southern lit you know, in the countryside. So I
Speaker 1: was sending all these I was being as important as
Speaker 1: I possibly could, and um, I'm sending it over there
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait a minute, what And he was like,
Speaker 1: I played it just a little work tape and they
Speaker 1: were like, play it again. I played it again. They
Speaker 1: were like, I think I'm gonna cut that. Play it again.
Speaker 1: He played it three times in that room and I
Speaker 1: was like, there's no way. And then they did and
Speaker 1: they rocked it out and everything. So so the guy
Speaker 1: who wrote God's Will is known for pontoon In It's
Speaker 1: a little different in that and Drug Girls Don't Cry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to know my my favorite of all your songs? Yes,
Speaker 1: I know, you do. I do, of course I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. It's a little tune near and dear to
Speaker 1: my heart. Oh no, this could be bad. No, it's
Speaker 1: not bad at all. A little song you wrote here
Speaker 1: we go by the way. Yeah. Lindsay was one of
Speaker 1: the ones. Two. They were like, it's like because Lindsay
Speaker 1: I did it for a long time. Yes, and it
Speaker 1: was still very close and she was like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: love Barry Dean. She was like, some people come in
Speaker 1: and it's a warm up. It's like, hey, let's see,
Speaker 1: we'll just talk about music for a second until we
Speaker 1: kind of get the feel and you know, some of
Speaker 1: them go and you talk. But she was like, Barry comes,
Speaker 1: it's over. Like you guys, you're the same, You're just
Speaker 1: the same. You're gonna love. And she was like, by
Speaker 1: the way, he I think you heard you Luke Laird
Speaker 1: and maybe someone who else write. I think it's the
Speaker 1: three of us. Yeah, no, Lindsay, I don't like drum,
Speaker 1: but no, she's not on that. Is that a female?
Speaker 1: It has to be a female. It can't just be
Speaker 1: you and Luke throw No, because I'm embarrassing, I should
Speaker 1: know off top of my head. It's okay. It only
Speaker 1: went to like, so, no, that's not the way it was.
Speaker 1: Lindsay's gonna kill me. She wrote this song. I guess
Speaker 1: what she said, you wrote it? Huh? How about that? Anyway,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite song. That's nice, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: And you know, we we we hoped it would get
Speaker 1: cut and then it didn't on the first round, and
Speaker 1: then she went back in and cut it and we
Speaker 1: were really happy about that, and it got a raw
Speaker 1: deal that that's a got a really raw deal. Well,
Speaker 1: you're champion a lot of people, and we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I mean, because we're cheering for the artist. We're excited.
Speaker 1: Then no, I don't know, like zero, there was nothing,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, that's such a catchy, fun song.
Speaker 1: He thought. That's all he needed to see was her
Speaker 1: smiling and how incredible she is, and that's gonna work
Speaker 1: a regular We sucked. I mean, it's bad and I
Speaker 1: said it on there, and then again they I think
Speaker 1: they've now kind of found what she is and it's like,
Speaker 1: let her go be her instead of trying to make
Speaker 1: her this little pop printed but she's not. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: she's from Calgary, Canada. What you like the country party
Speaker 1: Canada with like some rock and roll guitar and let
Speaker 1: her do her thing. But at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like, let's put her in a soda shop
Speaker 1: and and fluff her hair and whatever. They anytime it's winking,
Speaker 1: I have trouble with it, like pretending, you know, wink wink,
Speaker 1: look at us here we are who we are now
Speaker 1: she says wonderful things about she'll probably hear this because
Speaker 1: I won't tell her about it. And he's wonderful and pissed.
Speaker 1: I didn't know she wrote this song. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking enough. Shut she did, alright, shut me Up,
Speaker 1: which was one of the song that's the confusing. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see, I don't know if I have anything any
Speaker 1: other song. Did you have you seen the Do you
Speaker 1: watch wrestling at all? It's a kid not that much.
Speaker 1: You know that now, And you know Luke Lair, I
Speaker 1: know you guys wonded over that. And did he tell
Speaker 1: you what I got in for when when I had
Speaker 1: my first number one, which was Pontoon. He was his
Speaker 1: tenth number one, and he's one of my is my
Speaker 1: best friend and h so he loves whole Kogan issue.
Speaker 1: Now it's the only time I've ever seen him nervous.
Speaker 1: Was gonna when he met hall Count and Terry and
Speaker 1: we were down in Key West, and but I arranged
Speaker 1: for for his Christmas present. You know, Hulk got the
Speaker 1: first belt and then he had one mate and eighty
Speaker 1: five and then that was stolen and never has been found,
Speaker 1: and then he had a new one from eight six
Speaker 1: to ninety three. I didn't know all this stuff. I
Speaker 1: just thought I'm gonna get him a Hulk belt, that'll
Speaker 1: be great. Well, it's harder than you think. And then
Speaker 1: I had to do the research because I deep dive
Speaker 1: on weird things and and so the next thing I know,
Speaker 1: I'm hiring Reggie, the King of Belts, who made all
Speaker 1: the belts for those for those guys, and saying I
Speaker 1: want one made just like Hulks eighty five. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to say Songwriter of the Year because that year
Speaker 1: he was a b M I and I want to
Speaker 1: list instead of the bouts, I want to list the
Speaker 1: ten number ones in their years. So I think it's
Speaker 1: the only time I've ever actually impressed Luke Lair. He
Speaker 1: stuck his hand in, he felt around in the president
Speaker 1: he could tell it was about then he pulled it
Speaker 1: out and then he was really surprised and very heavy.
Speaker 1: We should arrange for you to check it out. I
Speaker 1: mean it probably weighs thirty pounds. That's funny that Luke.
Speaker 1: Luke's interesting because he came in and I was like,
Speaker 1: and and again I've got to look a little more
Speaker 1: since this, but I was like, it was miserable and
Speaker 1: he and he wasn't. And I had to reach out
Speaker 1: to Bed to be like, hey, did Luke hate everything
Speaker 1: that just happened. It's like, no, we're a fantastic time. Well,
Speaker 1: you're always I don't hear you always saying well I was,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have come up and talked to you. Well,
Speaker 1: we would be the same, would never talked. I would
Speaker 1: never have to end you. Guys would always be like
Speaker 1: we would be the same way with you. You know
Speaker 1: that because because it's we just it's that until you do,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, if
Speaker 1: I were to see look now mud hug his neck,
Speaker 1: I would go up. And but at the time, I
Speaker 1: was like, this guy hates my guts and he has nothing.
Speaker 1: And I was so just with Luke. I was I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, like you like I love him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves it. Oh, Like I was just I could
Speaker 1: have done a whole you know show talking about that.
Speaker 1: And so he took a tour up in New York
Speaker 1: where they had the old somebody from the original early
Speaker 1: days giving you a tour of hip hop locations. I
Speaker 1: have him send you there because he had a ball.
Speaker 1: He should do that. That's something I can enjoy. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what I'm gonna get I don't
Speaker 1: have family, so it's like, what am I gonna vacation?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not going to NewYork though it's too cold.
Speaker 1: Maybe I do that nice summer that's perfect. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: it like early summer before it gets too hot, like
Speaker 1: Afghanistan or something. But to get out of my commer zone,
Speaker 1: that would do it. That would hop over to Syria.
Speaker 1: You could us no no, no, stay completely unsafe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just fly no no, no's no US like if I'll
Speaker 1: do USO again. Yeah, I'm talking about just go and
Speaker 1: just go and to be like here I am wrapped
Speaker 1: in an American flag with a kid rock t shirt on.
Speaker 1: He's like, what a baby, USA, big target my therapists,
Speaker 1: getting my comfort zone. There's no less it hopping in
Speaker 1: the Middle East. The big old American flag takes all
Speaker 1: the comfort right out of it. Yeah, walking the desert.
Speaker 1: You're right, I really appreciate it. You're coming by the house.
Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me do this. This is I'm
Speaker 1: sorry we had to move to You know what what
Speaker 1: here's the thing. It wasn't a problem. You had a
Speaker 1: bluebird deal, right if you had committed to Yeah, surprised bluebird. No,
Speaker 1: I have embarrassed some an older gentleman in our in
Speaker 1: our church. He texted me on you know that Monday night, Hey,
Speaker 1: thinking about trying to get into your Wednesday show at
Speaker 1: the Bluebird. And I thought, oh, darn it, he's not
Speaker 1: reading the calendar, you know, he's older. And I look
Speaker 1: on there and there's my name. I was like, oh god,
Speaker 1: I can't hate the Blueberry. You can't hate on the Bluebird. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming buy. Thank you for letting me
Speaker 1: bet a cool you got a cool story? Anything you
Speaker 1: need to let me know that. I try to write
Speaker 1: something you like. Write me something I like? All right,
Speaker 1: just something you like? Yeah, write me something I like?
Speaker 1: And over Barry Dean and are you on the old
Speaker 1: Insta twitters? I am yeah. They changed me. I'm now
Speaker 1: im the MR. It's why wait, why can't you be
Speaker 1: Buried Dean? Does there already? There's already Barry Dean. I
Speaker 1: was called country Paper for Oh you had a name
Speaker 1: that wasn't Bury, Yeah, and they made me buried. I
Speaker 1: asked to be just Bury Dean, but they said I
Speaker 1: had to be the Bury Dean. So now I had
Speaker 1: the Bery Dean. I've tried to get Bobby Bones and
Speaker 1: some guy thats like eighty followers. He doesn't even tweet,
Speaker 1: does nothing, and I can't have it. And I know
Speaker 1: I can't be a squatter and just roll into town
Speaker 1: and take over the neighborhood. But still, but still, I've
Speaker 1: offered a money for it, and he won't do it.
Speaker 1: My show for a birthday President get pulled their money
Speaker 1: and offered the money for it. They won't do it.
Speaker 1: If anyone out there, he lives in Virginia Beach too,
Speaker 1: which is the one of the markets that I meant,
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing people call him Rob probably right, but
Speaker 1: they probably Robert the way so using the Spanish name.
Speaker 1: Uh well, it's it's. It's been really good to hang
Speaker 1: out with the imagia, right, thanks for having episode ninety
Speaker 1: And like you said before we got going here, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of episodes and it's a lot you followed,
Speaker 1: Chris Templeton, I know, no fressure, no pressure. We got
Speaker 1: a lot of subscribers. I've written with that, I've written
Speaker 1: with that guy, Timmycrocot one of our songs, but it
Speaker 1: didn't make the record. You know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been like man, not a lot some my friends
Speaker 1: are like right with Chris back and they good all day,
Speaker 1: and the day seemed to get better. Now now the
Speaker 1: bigger he gets, the better the times were with them
Speaker 1: because back and it was like, Chris has got a
Speaker 1: song out, we have weas to ride. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: I wrote with a Courtyard Hounds, you know, the Dixie
Speaker 1: Chicks in the Courtyard Hounds, and without Nat, without Natal,
Speaker 1: called the Courtyard Hounds, and we're writing. And the next
Speaker 1: day they say, hey, we're getting the right with this
Speaker 1: guy tomorrow. Chris Stapleton is before he had obviously become
Speaker 1: the Chris Stapleton and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: she was just in here the other day. He is
Speaker 1: and I listed more again and how amazing she is,
Speaker 1: how amazing he is, everything about him, And I said, also,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that, but he sings.
Speaker 1: It's so loud, but it's so controlled, but it's powerful.
Speaker 1: He was upstairs with Luke last week and no thing
Speaker 1: else in the building. You know, we didn't mind because
Speaker 1: it was amazing, but you know, he was singing it.
Speaker 1: The next day I run into him at lunch and
Speaker 1: Chris goes, hey, man, uh, they told me you said,
Speaker 1: I sing really loud. That's the only part. Give an
Speaker 1: hour of why he's amazing, And all they told him was, yeah, Berry,
Speaker 1: since you sing really luve that was great, Okay, we're out.
Speaker 1: PC Barry tell him, I said hello, cool to I
Speaker 1: tell you all right, We'll see you next time. Everybody
Speaker 1: I've said night,