WEBVTT - #90 - Barry Dean - Wrote Pontoon + Day Drinking for Little Big Town 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.120 All right, welcome to episode ninety of The Bobby Cast 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.680 In with Barry Dean. Barry, how are you good? How 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.559 are you? I'm good? I was. I had known a 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.480 lot of the stuff you'd written, but I didn't know 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:14.880 all the stuff you'd write. I never know all this 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.200 stuff until her like deep down dig. But before we 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.880 get into stuff, I didn't know you'd written this song 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:26.239 here for Ingram Michaelson girls Chase Boys, Like this song 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:38.680 is jam girls. She's good. She's really good. That song 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:40.440 is really good. And Mikey and I were talking before 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:41.720 you came in. I was like, he wrote that song. 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.159 It's like, I mean, I have this and like to 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.080 my playlist right now. Still, what's nice? Thank you? So 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.960 who'd you write that one? With Trent Dabs and Ingrid Michaelson. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.720 It was Memorial Day weekend and they called said, Ingrid's 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:56.480 coming in the right next week, but she wants to 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.160 come in Nashville, come in early, and she writes with 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.840 Trent Dabs a lot and Katie Herzig and just lots 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.680 of great people like that, and um, they said, would 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.679 you write with her on Memorial Day weekend? And uh, 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.080 everybody else was clear and out, and uh, I come 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.000 from you know, a little town working. Yeah, I'm working person, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.840 so you know, it must be present to win. So 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.640 so I was like, yeah, let's do it. And so 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.320 she was not feeling well and uh so she we 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.720 started a ballad kind of thing and it wasn't really 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.000 going anywhere, and so then I thought, well, let's switch 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.840 it up. And and so Trent had been layering drums 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:41.839 and logic and and they were flamming from like that, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.320 and she said, played the piano. They said, you play 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.760 the piano. So I played the button button and then 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.720 she went, but da da data, and so I played 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.440 that and then you know, again she'd hold her stomach. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.400 I think she was dealing with some esophagal things, you know. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.800 And I was like, hey, you know, there's no country emergency. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.840 We can write on Monday or Tuesday. No, we'll do it. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.960 And so then I would throw lines, and I thought 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:06.760 she didn't like them because we didn't know each other, 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.240 you know. And there's always a weirdness too when you 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.280 don't know someone and you're being creative. It's a it's 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.919 a super vulnerable place. It takes me a minute to 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:18.080 get comfortable. Uh and and and so you know, we 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.200 don't know each other at all. She's you know, I'm 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.160 probably the oldest person she's written with in a long time. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.520 And uh, she's holding her stomach. I'm wanting to take 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.959 her to a clinic and trance just you know. He's 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.560 a worker, you know, he's moving around and and he's 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.799 Mr Energy anyway. And so then, um, so I said, well, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.800 I had this one thing about how girls chase boys 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.880 chase girls chase boys, and how it just goes around 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.480 and around and around, and I thought she didn't like it, 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.040 and so then I started I kept nervous, you know, 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.880 so I keep throwing titles. Well there's this other thing 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.960 about how all the broken hearts still work and I'm 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.240 still beating and still doing. And then she literally goes, 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.160 you mean like, oh the broken hearts in the world 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.160 still be That's not my good. That has to be 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:06.760 And then like a sometimes sometimes girls chesse boys chesse girls. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.119 And I was like, yes, that is exactly what I mean, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.760 and thinkingly, who is this woman? And she does that. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:20.359 I can't do it, but that right, her voice, her 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.920 voice is like a formula one car. She can go 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.120 real high and then she can go low. She can 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.440 do all these things. And so then there was a 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.680 question of should we put words on it? And I 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.760 was like, you know, I really I kind of like 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.639 it with no words. I know my job is to 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.920 throw words at you. But on the yeah, there was 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.960 a debate on whether or not to put words there 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:51.240 instead of it suns at all. I can't listen, you know, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.640 it's always you can only imagine the actor in your 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.520 favorite role being that actor. So so I can't imagine 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.200 what what would be there now. And well there was 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.240 another argument, which was and this is what took the 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.920 longest time on the song was I thought it was 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.360 the chorus, and then there was a descript you know, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.600 there was a disagreement because there was a feeling, well, no, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.080 that's not the chorus, that's the verse, and so we 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.440 wrote a whole another chorus that I don't remember at all. 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.160 It was not the right thing. And so then I said, well, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.080 can we go the other way? Can we pretend that's 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.880 the chorus and it's the eighties when I was young, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.279 and we start with a chorus. It's like a Steven 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.240 Tyler thing. I remember Steven Tyler come in and he 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.200 Steven Tyler comes in and goes, hey, man, he was like, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.840 I'm gonna tell you. It was crazy because we were 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.640 sitting there and we're in the studio and they were 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:46.000 like sweet emotion. They're like, why don't we just start 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:51.560 with the chorus and he was like sweet and he 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:55.680 goes People were like what are you doing? And I'm 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.760 like trust me, And that was like, you know, sweet emotions, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.480 trick is there ain't no trick. Yeah. It was like 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.039 we just went simple with its just simple. Yeah, just 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.599 here it is. This is about you were waiting for. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.240 I'm gonna give it to you right up front, you 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.840 know so. And again I tell about five minutes ago 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.040 I wrote that song. And that's like, you know, I'll 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.520 be honest with you. Like the music that I play 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.560 on the radio, some of it are like some of 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.320 it don't. Some of it I'm indifferent about. Yeah, and 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.560 it just comes with and if anyone says they like 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.320 it all their line, I agree with that. But I'm 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.480 gonna tell you I love this song. Thank you. Yeah, 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.160 I was just talking. I kind of geeked out a 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.400 little b I was like, man, I'm so grateful for it. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.040 And it was not Again, I had no idea. I 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.240 shouldn't tell the story, but I will. Uh So we 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.040 wrote a memorial day and so that fall right before 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.039 CMA week, Jinn and I went to Asheville, North Carolina. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.840 We've never been there as my wife, and so we 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.479 were down there. Be super awkward if it wasn't my wife. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.880 And uh, we're down there and we'd had dinner and 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.320 we may have been overserved just slightly. We're going to 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.000 where they play pianos and you all sing along this 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.880 weet Caroline, one of those things doing in Wanto Baria. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.360 And uh so Ingrid calls, which is not a thing 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.280 that happens a lot. And she called and and again 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.000 we didn't know each other. We one day, that's it. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.000 And then I get this note and she's, uh, can 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.440 we talk? And she said, you know, do you think 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.960 it is it too? I mean, because she does a 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.520 lot of heavy, beautiful balance that are really you know, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.680 she she's not afraid, and so she was like, is 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.000 it too? She was saying fun, you know, meaning frivolous 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.440 I think. But I was like, well, you're the only 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.000 artist who would worry about being fun, I mean, and uh, 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.760 and she kind of laughed and she goes, well, is 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.920 girls chase boys are okay? Title? And I always say 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.839 that because I may have had some wine at dinner. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:48.560 I start texting her like, you know, like Dame's love guys, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.320 you know, chocos love Chicas. I just I mean, all 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.520 evening as I wonder, she still speaks to me, and 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.039 I'm texting her all these different ways. I was like, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.520 you know, I think you should play it for some 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.960 fans and if they love of it, great, and if 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.599 they don't, we'll write another one. That's what I said. 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.640 I had no idea that it could be on pop 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.440 radio or be a thing at all, but it was 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.480 really wonderful. It opened up a lot of fun doors 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.240 for me. Yeah. Again, I just loved it. I mean, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:20.360 this is not my air this is my airplane. Why 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.520 I love it. It's on my airplane list of songs 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:33.440 I go to Slate. Yeah, that's it. A little voice, 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.720 you know, it's like you know, uh, Chris Lindsay and 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.360 Amy Mayo, you know that. And so one time years 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.160 ago this song has never been recorded. Thing. I don't 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.160 remember what was called, but I was writing a song 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.040 with Chris Lindsay and we were over at Amy Land 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.200 and I can't remember the song, but there was this 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.920 part where we're like singing this thing and I didn't 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:53.880 know what the words were. And this was new to 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.520 me to to just sing whatever I wanted without knowing 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:01.240 the words. I was really um. I wrote only by 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.360 myself until I signed to a deal in Nashville, So 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.360 I literally used to write at the top of my 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.480 pad when I did co writes make a noise because 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.320 I would sit there trying to think the right answer 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:16.640 before I said it, and uh and and not being 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.000 willing to dare to suck and just put it out there. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.640 And it's just hard to get used to that. Um 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:26.680 and so um. Anyway, I was singing something and I 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.040 went bye baby, bye bye baby. I'm letting you go, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.880 and it makes no sense. I just sang it in 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.000 a moment, and Amy was just they're bringing coffee or something, 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.160 you know, stopping by to say hi, and she goes, sorry, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:45.680 let me make this go away right here. UML no, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.640 I wish it was. It's my brother. He's really smart, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.559 and we have this side project we're doing and not musical, 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.760 it's a different deal and he uh, he loves project 0:08:55.760 --> 0:09:00.079 management software and so he'll update the tasks, you know, 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.160 and the percentage that's completed and you know all that. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.880 Unfortunately I don't know how to make it not show 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.079 on my phone, and so it keeps. He's just bing 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.520 bing bing bing bing. I'm like, so stop, it's Christmas. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.559 But but she said, Amy was it was like sometimes 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.199 the music says it for us. And so that person 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.080 who's afraid to face their life or make a change 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.520 or tell somebody what's going on, and and that moment 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.200 she goes, you should trust that moment. Well, I didn't 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.080 even live here yet. I was still coming. I just 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.800 signed and was coming back and forth, and uh, but 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.520 that showed up in that right that day when she went, oh, 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.480 I thought that that is that thing? Is that almost 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:44.480 like a silence is okay in conversation type thing like 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.400 not not all silence is bad. It's funny too. You 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.520 bring out the vulnerability thing, because I think it's a 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.679 and not just in creative space. We working to creative space, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.760 but a lot of people working group space where uh 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.400 their problem solving. You're coming up with ideas, you're afraid 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.400 to say something because you're around people that you don't 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.360 know and you don't want to but The thing that 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.200 I've learned about that is everybody else is feeling the 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.520 exact same way that the truth. And so the feeling 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.200 that I have and that you haven't working with somebody 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.360 that if I'm writing comedy or writing music and I'm like, oh, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.720 I've never written with this person before, and I don't 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.640 want to see something stupid, They're probably feel in the 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.520 same way. They probably are. But but man, that's in 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:31.000 the real not outside our world. That's not a common thought, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.800 you know. I mean, I think there's a certain element. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.360 Uh well, I like your your new book. I know 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.880 that it's a winning through losing. Oh yeah, I wrote it. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.400 I did a Ted talk and I'm writing a book. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.960 I mean, there's there's that's a that's an upside down. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.439 We write and work in an upside down world where 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.640 we get together and we're instantly gonna build a bridge 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.960 and discuss very true personal things. And I spent years 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.120 in a corporate and vine where you know, five years 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.480 in someone will mention, oh, yeah, you know some personal fact. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.760 You know, Oh yeah, my, well you're facing some crisis 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.880 at home or we're facing some other reality. But that's 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.000 not something you talk about in a in a corporate environment. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.680 So we're backwards, and it's weird to being in a 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.880 right or being and I gat a creative space where 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.840 you have to get vulnerable. Even for me, like I'll 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.640 say on the radio, like I'm terrible being vulnerable away 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.680 from my job a man in my job, it's I 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.560 can drop all the walls because I have to face successful. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.960 And you, as a writer, you have to. Yeah, and 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.000 it's weird you go into somebody you don't know and 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.199 be like, Okay, let me tell you're really heart wrenching tail. 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.920 Here's what I'm wrestling with in my own life. I 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.040 was talking about therapist today about it give me a 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.680 decorp you know it is. It is kind of a backward, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.839 but you've done so. I guess we could kind of start. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:00.880 Let me just mention before I know what we'll get 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.400 around some of this stuff because I don't always like 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.000 just talking about songs specifically, but uh, you you just 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:12.800 see you wrote Pontoon one of the stories, and because 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.600 we've actually had the other writers into that, um, Natalie 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.520 was like, you know, you know, you know, back that 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.760 hitch up into the water. But it wasn't hitch, it 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.880 wasn't hit. Eric Passley is the one who made it hitch. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.880 It was back that other thing. Okay, back that bitch 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:29.920 in the water. That's the first thing she said. You know, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.840 looks like come on girls. She was like, we're not 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.480 doing this, come on girl, and she goes I would say, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.320 back this bitch up into the water and we screamed 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.560 with laughter. Well, pass As, I understand it. I wasn't. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.840 There is the one who said you should say hitch 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.880 when they need the radio at it to Natalie. So 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.720 Eric is not a writer on the song. He just 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.680 heard it and was like, hey, you should now he 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.400 just said it to me and I didn't know that 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.120 till long after, but he should. Jed Hughes played the 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.720 riff with j Joyce and that's so wonderful. And I 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.480 was watching a little big down at it Jarnity event. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.320 We did that microphone we did a um, I didn't 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.680 do it. I went to a charity event and uh 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.000 so I live in Nashville, but I used to live 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.480 in Brentwood. Don't know what part of town you live, Well, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.160 you know Snead Road in Hillsboro, so it's considered Franklin, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.520 but it's not anywhere. It's really Brentwood. So okay, maybe 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.679 you'll know the house I'm talking about. It down in Brentwood. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.520 You get off a concorde and for those that are 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.680 all over, just just just follow me on this. There's 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.520 this hum monkous house across from Governor's Club. So I 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.560 used to have a Governor's Club and I would always 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.640 see this huge Monko's house and I was like, I 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.920 don't know, like a sound of music kind of house monster. 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.280 So I went to a charity event at this house 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:44.560 and it's it's a couple of jewelers. They were very nice. Yes, 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.599 they're very sunglasses, very kind gentleman. I didn't get to 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:48.640 spend a lot of time with them because it was 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.040 it was it was a charity event for for an 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.880 Alzheimer's um event, and Kimberly Paisley was there, a mom 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.839 that was Alzheimer's and but we're there and a little 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.000 Big Town was playing and so they it was you know, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.640 it's as I get to do things now because at 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.360 my job that I normally wouldn't get to do. And 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.280 I'm sitting there by a hundred people in the room 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.760 and there you know, playing the song and they come 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.160 out and they start playing pontoon, and all I can 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.320 think about the entire song is that hitch was changed. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:23.520 Like that's all I'm telling you, the whole show, the 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.960 whole everything, and that should be like and I was. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.960 There was an awesome event and a lot of money 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.760 was raised. All I could think it was like they 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.400 changed they change it to hits. That's all I can 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.480 ever think about. Well, it's funny is Natalie will change 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.200 it to hitch button. She'll tell the story about buying 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.360 the pontoon and won't change the word there. You're like, well, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.040 if if you're gonna say that, you may as well 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.800 go and say it all you wrote it when she 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.120 did this show, because she came by it's about a 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.920 few months now. She was talking about how she was 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.640 buying a boat and then the song was playing. The 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.880 guy I was like, I hate this song. She just 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.800 she just said it's just kept from Outho. She wouldn't 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.320 play at it first. You know, we would play these 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.200 shows with me and Luke and Hard would play these 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.000 bluebird things and she wouldn't want to. You know, she 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.160 loves a little big town and everything. But but she 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.160 I think because it was so it's a fun light song. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.240 Did you think that song again, because the first time 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.760 I heard it, I was like, this song is really goofy. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.880 I thought, I said, this song is really goofy, And 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.920 I don't know if I don't know have goofy. It's 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.200 not so goofy now because we know it. It's it's 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.720 like when you you know, uh, that now is normal 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.600 to us because we've heard so many times. So Pontoon 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.520 is not that goofy to me anymore. And a lot 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.040 of it's Jay Joyce's production and Little Big Town, and 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.200 that had been cut a different way, you know, that 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.440 would have been super goofy. Could did you feel when 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.760 you finished writing it it ever had a chance to 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.960 have legs to be anything. I didn't think it would 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.720 do what it did. I thought I thought it might 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.680 get cut. Natalie and Luke were already having singles, you know, 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.040 start to take off and do things, specially Luke, and 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.840 so I thought, I mean, we started it, and it 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.160 was seven months before we finished it because we wrote 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.280 just the first little bit and then stopped and get 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.560 hung on hitch. We're like, we can't figure out what 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.200 comes after seven months. So Natalie and I only had 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.400 the things she had to do and getting our calendars 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.760 back together and all that, and then we got back together. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.040 It was right around Luke's birthday, so she came over 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:13.640 and we gave up. If everybody wanted to Luke, you're 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.680 not talking about Luke Bryan, No, I'm sorry. Luke lay 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.200 over here too, That's right. So for Nuke reds Luke Lair, Yeah, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.760 so and so he. I came home after we wrote 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.920 it and was laughing. I told my wife, I said, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.400 you know, I don't know what to make of this thing. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.520 It's so so funny, but you know, I don't know, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.120 but Natalie and Luke have a lot of attention right now. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.760 Maybe something will happen. Never occurred to me that it 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.080 would be such a big deal for me. It is 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.720 my first number one. That's a thing too, where if 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.880 you're in the room at the time with Natalie and Luke, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.280 they're having success, they're not writing a lot of songs 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.440 that aren't at least getting looked at. That's right. So 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.520 you know in that room that what you write at 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.040 least is going to get a bigger look than if 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.800 you're writing with a couple of other writers who weren't 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.000 as hot at the night. That's right. Oh yeah, no question. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.240 And if Luke and Natalie we're here, they'd be horrified 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.680 by this whole conversation. But you and I know it's 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.200 absolutely true. Of course you're in the room with Rodney Claus. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:09.960 And there's a pretty good chance to people are gonna 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.520 listen to Rodney Claus to Rodney song. Yeah, they might 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.760 want to take a listen to that. Yeah, and uh 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:23.480 and I think that's a pretty good deal. It's funny 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.240 to have three people talking about this song because we've 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.760 got three different three of the same stories, but all 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.439 from a different slightly different A. Yeah, we did a 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.560 c M A thing um and they we on tape, 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.160 you know, and they interviewed us over at sound Aporium, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.440 and when we left, you know, we just nodded. And 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.000 when we left, I said to Natalie and Luke, hey, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.760 before we go, we know that's not what really happened, right, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.199 It's like stories before you get pulled in. Here's how 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.800 the bank was robbed. Remember, stick to the story. Here's 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.280 what we did, right, right? Is that what we do? 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.280 It's like the movie like say the number back out loud, 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.000 say this real loud. So okay, okay, there's a lot 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.080 of that. There's a lot of that. And sometimes you'll 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.280 think something and then it's not who, um, pontoon? Whose 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.160 idea was that? You remember? Like the initial idea? Well, 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.560 I thought that the Natalie said it. Natalie said the 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.760 word pontoon and um and Luke and I heard it 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.760 fly across the room and I started googling instantly pontoons 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:27.560 song and just to see, you know what it said. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.280 And uh, and there weren't any other pontoon. So like 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.760 that's the thing, right, You have to make sure sometimes 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:34.479 you know, it's one thing if it's like I love you, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.479 but if it's something that I mean, the nineties happened, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.399 So pontoon seemed like, I mean, there's a watermelon crawl, 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.560 so there may be a pontoon out there, you know, 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.919 and I want to know about it. And uh. And again, 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.080 when I'm in a room with somebody like Natalie, who's 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.720 so talented and Luke, who is so good at what 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.200 he does, I don't want to waste that day, you know, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.000 I don't want to waste any day actually, and so um, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.399 so I just googled it and then I looked at 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.560 Luke and we're clear and he started playing that groove. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.959 And now did Natalie have it in mind before she 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.199 came in. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. She was 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.200 telling another story about their song called Fine Tune, which 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.160 is on Mirando's fourth record, and Um, somebody had misheard 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:16.520 the title and said, oh, what's that song pontoon? And 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:21.080 so anyway, however it happened, we started it, and then 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.840 about seven months later we finally finished it. They played 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.080 it for Dirks and he didn't like it, and they 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:30.359 played it for um Kicks Brooks Brooks and done it 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.639 just parted ways and so Kicks and a nice email 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.359 saying he thought it was hilarious, but he would not 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.639 record it. And then that was really the end. And 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.880 then when Creative Nation started, which is Beth and Luke 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.439 and I'm I'm over there. Um, first week, first meeting 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.800 Bets at her kitchen table, she goes, I'm going over 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.600 to play songs for Jason for a little big town 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.800 and I think I'm gonna play there their manager and um, 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.119 and she goes, how do you feel about pontoon? I 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.159 was like, that's a great idea, and so that was 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.520 what she played. And then after that it was real 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.000 that's really Jason in a little big town and j 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.480 Joyce and Jed Hughes on the lick, and I mean 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.080 we were a pretty amazed where it went. I get that. 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:21.240 There you go, pontoon. Alright, let me talk about Blue 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.440