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Speaker 2: It's the biggest matchup of the week. It's Michigan versus
Speaker 2: the Big Ten. The commissioner of the Big Ten. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what the pointspread is right now or the
Speaker 2: over under. We'll explore that a little bit further. It
Speaker 2: feels like there's going to be an unveiling today of swords,
Speaker 2: but Michigan is going to put up a fight, and
Speaker 2: the question is what kind of punishment if any punishment
Speaker 2: is handed out? As early as today eight seven, seven
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Speaker 2: Rick Neuheisel, former college football coach, will give us his
Speaker 2: thoughts on what should and what will happen with Jim
Speaker 2: Harbaugh Michigan. Keep in mind, Rick said two weeks ago
Speaker 2: he thinks by next year Jim Harbaugh is back in
Speaker 2: the NFL, so Michigan in the Big Ten. Go back
Speaker 2: and forth on possible punishments. Here and ESPN has been
Speaker 2: all over this story. Any potential discipline from the commissioner
Speaker 2: is not expected until today. It's unknown as of now
Speaker 2: whether the potential penalties could be a suspension, a fine,
Speaker 2: or both neither, and the focus would be on Jim
Speaker 2: Harbaugh and not the players themselves. This is according to ESPN.
Speaker 2: Michigan has responded in a big way. They sent out
Speaker 2: a ten page response to the conference and it was
Speaker 2: focused on urging the commissioner to respect due process and
Speaker 2: argued that a sanction at this stage would be breaking
Speaker 2: the league's by laws and an effort to lay the
Speaker 2: groundwork for potential legal intervention if Jim Harbaugh is suspended
Speaker 2: this week, once again, the best matchup of the week
Speaker 2: is the Big Ten versus Jim Harbugh Michigan. But you
Speaker 2: got everybody in your house, The representatives are in this,
Speaker 2: you got all everybody's on board with this, and I
Speaker 2: think if it's above and beyond what Michigan would expect,
Speaker 2: then there'll be a temporary injunction. Now. I mean they're
Speaker 2: going to make sure that this isn't heard, settled, decided
Speaker 2: until in the off season that Michigan would still be
Speaker 2: able to go full speed ahead and play maybe for
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Speaker 3: Thursday Night Football.
Speaker 4: Ish, let's go.
Speaker 2: Panthers getting three against the Bears. If you're a Bears fan,
Speaker 2: what do you want to happen tonight? PAULI, you're a
Speaker 2: Bears fan, what would be the ideal situation for the Bears?
Speaker 5: So, right now, from the NFL draft standpoint, the Chicago
Speaker 5: Bears had the second pick of the draft, and that's Carolinas.
Speaker 5: They also have the third pick of the draft, which
Speaker 5: is theirs. So if Chicago wins tonight, their draft pick
Speaker 5: will go from the third pick of the draft to
Speaker 5: the sixth pick of the draft. If they lose tonight, Carolina's.
Speaker 4: Pick goes to.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 4: Okay, it actually stays.
Speaker 5: So the Bears from a pick standpoint, would prefer the
Speaker 5: Carolina Panthers to win tonight. It keeps them higher in
Speaker 5: the draft. The Bears winning is bad for the Bears,
Speaker 5: and they're good at not being winning.
Speaker 3: They're good at not being good. Yes, that's coming up tonight.
Speaker 3: Panthers at the Bears and the line three or three
Speaker 3: and a half according to DraftKings the seventy six ers.
Speaker 3: I watched that last night with the Celtics. They won
Speaker 3: six in a row. The Clippers have lost three straight.
Speaker 3: The Nuggets eight and one. They won last night against
Speaker 3: Golden State. The Lakers. The Lakers.
Speaker 2: If you tune in in the first quarter to watch
Speaker 2: the Lakers play, you're gonna be disappointed, guaranteed. They've been
Speaker 2: outscored by seventy four points in the first quarter, So
Speaker 2: far this season, they've played eight games. Six of the
Speaker 2: eight games they have trailed by double digits after the
Speaker 2: first quarter.
Speaker 3: Stead of the day, sat of the day, that beast
Speaker 3: stat of the day? Stead of the day? Here comes that?
Speaker 4: What stut of the day?
Speaker 2: Three point shooting not good? Anthony Davis out again. They
Speaker 2: got ruffed up by the Houston Rockets. There was a
Speaker 2: stare down moment last night. Dylan Brooks is staring at
Speaker 2: Lebron James. It was like a stoppage in play and
Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks is just staring. He's like three feet apart
Speaker 2: from Lebron. He's just staring at him, and Lebron's staring
Speaker 2: right back at him.
Speaker 3: These things are always silly, they are.
Speaker 2: And then the Lakers complained to the NBA and said, hey,
Speaker 2: Lebron's not being officiated properly and he's not getting the
Speaker 2: calls that he normally gets. Now, there are other marquee
Speaker 2: players who are not getting calls, and it's at a
Speaker 2: larger rate than he is, Luca Jannis Lebron, and the
Speaker 2: number of calls that he's supposedly not getting is like
Speaker 2: zero point two percent. I mean, it's really really, really small,
Speaker 2: small margin here, but sent the videotape in the NBA
Speaker 2: looked at I guess the finish of one of the games,
Speaker 2: whether it was Orlando or Miami, and said, no, the
Speaker 2: calls were correct.
Speaker 3: But do you do this? I get just we're eight
Speaker 3: games in. I mean, you're twenty years in. I just
Speaker 3: felt like, nah, I don't think we need And then
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the numbers and I'm going, wait, Jannis
Speaker 3: and Luca can complain.
Speaker 2: Lebron can't. He's still getting the similar number of calls here.
Speaker 6: Yes, Mart, you're supposed to do the Phil Jackson thing.
Speaker 6: You complain about this during playoff time. After like a
Speaker 6: game three, he started, Man, MG, really wasn't getting those
Speaker 6: calls like he was supposed to. Guys, come on to Bavetta.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ritzy, it's whiney.
Speaker 7: You got to pick your spots, because I guess what
Speaker 7: they're trying to just lay the groundwork. We've been complaining
Speaker 7: about this since eight games in and still going on
Speaker 7: all the way to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess some of the missed calls. According to
Speaker 2: the Lakers and Lebron, they said numerous missed calls in
Speaker 2: the Miami Heat game. Theakers cited multiple clips from the
Speaker 2: game demonstrating that they contend it's clear illegal contact against
Speaker 2: Lebron James that wasn't called. You know, Lebron had talked
Speaker 2: about it being almost a conspiracy theory last year about this,
Speaker 2: that somehow the league would want to penalize the biggest
Speaker 2: name and biggest brand in the NBA, the Lakers and Lebron.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I don't think you want to keep them
Speaker 2: out of a playoff picture do anything to the detriment
Speaker 2: of the Lakers. At least, you're going out and doing
Speaker 2: something in a way that is unfair to the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Treating them unfairly feels like you would probably give preferential
Speaker 2: treatment than you would the other way.
Speaker 8: Yes, maybe is this the first sign that Lebron is
Speaker 8: no longer Lebron? He's not getting the calls. He used
Speaker 8: to get that treatment, but aging Lebron now he's finally
Speaker 8: crossed that line. When he doesn't get that treatment, he's
Speaker 8: not the brand.
Speaker 3: Yeah. How many times do you watch an NBA game
Speaker 3: and somebody's complaining about the call, either a call or
Speaker 3: no call. It's it's just about every.
Speaker 2: Play, Like what me, huh, I didn't know it's either
Speaker 2: offense or defense.
Speaker 3: It's complaining about it. It's uh for decades, this is
Speaker 3: what's happened and continues to happen.
Speaker 2: And the star players, they're the ones. The guy who's
Speaker 2: a scrub should be complaining when he doesn't get a call.
Speaker 2: You know, Michael and Magic and Larry and those guys
Speaker 2: got calls. They got preferential treatment. And and Lebron is
Speaker 2: hard to officiate, I mean just as physical. It's like Shaq.
Speaker 2: I think Shack got fouled every single time down the floor.
Speaker 2: Now he's so big, you could try to foul him,
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't you know, alter what he was trying
Speaker 2: to do. And Lebron when he goes to the hoop,
Speaker 2: when he drives, you're not going to stop him. And
Speaker 2: you know you have to use some force there or foul.
Speaker 3: But I just I mean, we're eight games in and
Speaker 3: you're complaining about how the Bronze officiated. Sounded just a
Speaker 3: little desperate there.
Speaker 2: Watching a little bit of the Spurs last night, and
Speaker 2: that's all we saw last night was just a little
Speaker 2: bit of the Spurs and Victor Wumbayama. He scored as
Speaker 2: many points as I did in the first half, he
Speaker 2: finished with fourteen and nine and didn't have his first
Speaker 2: basket till the third quarter.
Speaker 3: You're at the Garden. And you know, if you look down.
Speaker 2: Through history, when players play in New York, they're playing
Speaker 2: at the Garden. They're not facing the Knicks. It's he
Speaker 2: did it at the Garden. He didn't do it against
Speaker 2: the Knicks. It was Michael had a double nickel at
Speaker 2: the Garden. You know, Kobe put up sixty one at
Speaker 2: the Garden. That's the You know, when Steph Curry went
Speaker 2: off the first time, I think he had fifty four
Speaker 2: in a game that was at the Garden, not against
Speaker 2: the Knicks.
Speaker 3: At the Garden.
Speaker 2: And if you haven't been in the building, it's the
Speaker 2: most famous arena in America. Outside you go, all right,
Speaker 2: it looks majestic. You're right there, it's a city block
Speaker 2: and you the Garden. I remember the first time I
Speaker 2: went in and I went, wait, is it.
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: But the atmosphere, that's what changed everything. Once those Nick
Speaker 2: fans got in there. And I remember seeing a Celtics
Speaker 2: Nick game with Larry Bird, Bernard King, and then I
Speaker 2: realized the atmosphere like the Garden, it you know, structurally.
Speaker 2: It's like the first time I went to Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Now this is before they did the renovation, I went, wait,
Speaker 2: this is it. There's no jumbo trun Wait, where's my suite? Okay,
Speaker 2: there's touchdown Jesus. But and even when they did the renovation,
Speaker 2: like you grow up and you go, oh my god.
Speaker 2: First time I went to the Boston Garden, I went,
Speaker 2: I want a dump, dude.
Speaker 8: When Rudy's dad got off the bus, he said, this
Speaker 8: is this is the finest sight these eyes have ever seen.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Well, that was just an emotional viewpoint. What it wasn't
Speaker 2: a correct viewpoint. It was just emotional.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why you go to Notre Dame. Because it's emotional.
Speaker 8: You're not like, oh, touchdown, Jesus. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 8: this touchdown Jesus. Look at where we are right now.
Speaker 8: Did you try to go to Notre Dame. It's the school, yeah,
Speaker 8: like for classes? No, No, not even close.
Speaker 3: I didn't know. If you know, you had a reach school.
Speaker 3: You know we have those schools that are reached West Virginia.
Speaker 4: Was this reach school?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: No, I think really probably my reach school is seeking
Speaker 8: all to be honestly.
Speaker 3: Yes, but there's no emotion.
Speaker 5: You go to Sofi Stadium, you appreciate it. Oh it's new,
Speaker 5: there's glass, there's everywhere. I remember the first time I
Speaker 5: went to the Madison Square Garden. It was to see
Speaker 5: Patrick Ewing in year two versus like Carl Malona, like,
Speaker 5: this feels awesome. It felt like a big game. And
Speaker 5: you walk in from the street. I recognize that sign
Speaker 5: from all the movies and TV shows. You feel like
Speaker 5: you're at a I guess, not an event, but like
Speaker 5: a place of history, like one of the Grand camp Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the first time I went to Wrigley.
Speaker 2: First time I went to Fenway, Now, those were different.
Speaker 2: When I walked into Fenway the first time I went. God,
Speaker 2: that left field wall is really close, but it was
Speaker 2: I it was beautiful, but it was antiquated. The seat's
Speaker 2: really tight, you know, built in nineteen twelve. But when
Speaker 2: you go in and you're inside Fenway, it was spectacular
Speaker 2: Wrigly without the IVY, you go eh, and then the
Speaker 2: IVY comes in you go okay. I mean you had
Speaker 2: that old scoreboard there. There's just certain places now I
Speaker 2: don't have special memories at Wrigley, but I know it's
Speaker 2: a special place, and I think that's what's different with
Speaker 2: the garden, whether it's Boston Garden or Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2: All those great memories, all those moments that happened there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I kind of feel like when you can remove
Speaker 8: the emotion from it, Madison Square Garden is a great
Speaker 8: place because you were told it was Wriggly Field. That's
Speaker 8: a great place because I was told it was. But
Speaker 8: standing there kind of like.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I was shocked with the Boston Garden because growing up
Speaker 2: the way, this is before they used to light the
Speaker 2: fans in the stands, so it was almost like it
Speaker 2: was a play. It was a Broadway show where the
Speaker 2: game was featured and that was lit.
Speaker 3: Everything else was dark, like what's going on in the crowd?
Speaker 9: Then?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, And when I went there and I thought, God,
Speaker 2: look at that floor, man, I'd love to have that
Speaker 2: in my house. And then you look at it and
Speaker 2: you go, I don't want that in my house, and
Speaker 2: it was just really antiquated. I remember going into the
Speaker 2: locker room after the Lakers won the championship and I thought,
Speaker 2: this is wait, this is the garden. My high school
Speaker 2: shower locker room area was better than the visiting Now
Speaker 2: granted read Urbach, I don't think wanted to have running
Speaker 2: water hot water in there. They had hooks, they didn't
Speaker 2: have lockers. I thought, all right, this, I get the
Speaker 2: home court advantage here. But I went in there thinking
Speaker 2: I was gonna smell cigar smoke and it was going
Speaker 2: to be this beautiful finished floor and you look at it,
Speaker 2: there were big gaps in it.
Speaker 3: Now it was still charming. And then I thought, you
Speaker 3: know what, let me take a jumper here, just to
Speaker 3: say I took a jumper there, and because I grew up,
Speaker 3: and you know, the Great Western Forum, the same thing
Speaker 3: where you're like, okay, I like that.
Speaker 8: I didn't expect, you know, sometimes we take turns, twists
Speaker 8: and turns. I didn't expect us crapping on holy Lands
Speaker 8: of US sports in the first segment. I didn't see
Speaker 8: that coming. I'm glad that we got here. Seat and
Speaker 8: it's scripted right in front of you. Yeah, that was
Speaker 8: my next line? Or did I jump?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Now there's one more line and then you say that, yes, Paul.
Speaker 5: I remember the first time I went to a couple
Speaker 5: places in Los Angeles, the LA Coliseum, the Rose Bowl,
Speaker 5: and they're very antiquated. There's like food trucks outside, there's
Speaker 5: not a lot of facilities. You're sitting on concrete. But
Speaker 5: I loved it. The first time I went to a
Speaker 5: Dodger game, I think was in the late nineties, and
Speaker 5: it's just like you see on TV. It's just glistening.
Speaker 5: The sun is coming in those nice green hills in
Speaker 5: the background, and the old scoreboards and the players in
Speaker 5: the white. There's some stadiums that I don't want to
Speaker 5: develop and have modern amenities.
Speaker 3: Dodger Stadium lived up to it. Yeah, that was gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Colosseum not good, but historical, historically good.
Speaker 3: Yes, the Rose Bowl. I love that venue.
Speaker 2: But it's weird, like you're going to, you know, through
Speaker 2: this neighborhood boom, there's the Rose Bowl down the hill.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, yeah. See.
Speaker 8: There are some places that you when you get there,
Speaker 8: you step back in time, you know, like the Colosseum
Speaker 8: for me.
Speaker 3: You're like, what was this born that was born built.
Speaker 8: In the twenties, you know, You're like, holy crap, this
Speaker 8: is like you just stepped back one hundred years. The
Speaker 8: there's other places where you just step back into bad
Speaker 8: times in architecture. You're like, oh, well they probably could
Speaker 8: tear this place down and put up something better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that might be Madison Square Garden. Yeah, back
Speaker 2: to Madison Square Garden. It's still it is a wonderful
Speaker 2: venue to go into. Just if the Knicks got good
Speaker 2: again and you could hear that defense, defense, and it
Speaker 2: was wonderful. It was spectacular, like you really felt a
Speaker 2: building and that I still remember that when you heard that.
Speaker 3: Because the games mattered.
Speaker 2: You're the Celtics were in town, Bernard King was going
Speaker 2: toe to toe with Larry Bird.
Speaker 8: Yes, going to Big East basketball games in the the
Speaker 8: Big East Tournament, there were That's some of the best
Speaker 8: sporting environments you can get to, especially back in the day.
Speaker 8: What it would be Georgetown, Syracuse and you had just
Speaker 8: Titans of the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Saint John's, Villanova absolutely all good stuff, yes time,
Speaker 3: But the.
Speaker 7: Garden, even if you're not a huge hockey fan, if
Speaker 7: you go to a Stanley Cup playoff game and you
Speaker 7: hear that, let's go Rangers in the Garden. On top
Speaker 7: of what the Knicks get, that's a pretty big stuff
Speaker 7: in there.
Speaker 2: First professional hockey game Islanders Rangers. Oh, and they scored
Speaker 2: the Ken Morrow scored the goal at the Garden and
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, this is exciting. And my producer
Speaker 2: at the time, Mardy Burko, goes, not every hockey game
Speaker 2: is like this, just letting you know. I go, okay, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5: About a decade ago, Seaton and I went to Notre
Speaker 5: Dame Michigan at Michigan and I'd never been there, but
Speaker 5: I've always seen their games on TV and the place
Speaker 5: looks just gigantic. But when we were walking in from
Speaker 5: the street, it's the Stateum's kind of recessed into the ground.
Speaker 5: It doesn't look that big and grand. From the outside.
Speaker 5: You're like, that's it. It's not that high like LSU
Speaker 5: and other places. And then you walk in and it's
Speaker 5: just this mass in every direction, people everywhere.
Speaker 3: One hundred thousand people there, all right.
Speaker 2: So we're awaiting whatever the Big ten is going to
Speaker 2: announce with Michigan, if there's any ruling today, how Michigan
Speaker 2: counters that. But we'll talk to Rick new heisl what
Speaker 2: will happen, what should happen, and does he still believe
Speaker 2: that Jim Harbaugh will be in the NFL next season.
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Speaker 2: During the commercial break, I walked out to the basketball floor.
Speaker 2: I walked back to see the big german. I walked outside.
Speaker 2: Todd following me the whole time, and I go what,
Speaker 2: and he goes, have you ever been to the sports arena?
Speaker 3: I said, yes, it dump. It was not that's what
Speaker 3: it was known as the Big Joint. They called it
Speaker 3: the clip Joint, but it was the dump to the
Speaker 3: big dump ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, they used to promote
Speaker 3: the other team. All the newspaper articles, everything was come
Speaker 3: to the clip.
Speaker 7: Joint to see this guy from this team, this guy
Speaker 7: from the other team, this star from.
Speaker 3: The other team. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there is there a bad stadium that still exists?
Speaker 2: I'm a bad arena where you go? I don't want
Speaker 2: to go there. Trying to think if anything really comes
Speaker 2: to mind. And while I you know, I'm critical of
Speaker 2: the Boston Garden the way it looked, but it was
Speaker 2: still a majestic building. It was still a piece of
Speaker 2: history that you're walking into. You're walking into a time warp.
Speaker 2: But if you went there for the amenities, you were
Speaker 2: greatly disappointed.
Speaker 8: Yes, Seaton, I think that there are a ton of
Speaker 8: average sports venues where they're like kind of generic plug
Speaker 8: and play. Could be any city in America. It takes
Speaker 8: something to be either truly great or truly terrible.
Speaker 3: Has to be pretty.
Speaker 2: Special because if your team is good, the building still
Speaker 2: has some kind of meaning to you that you'll put
Speaker 2: up with. These seats are really uncomfortable. Like Fenway, you
Speaker 2: would go in and you could have an obstructed view seat,
Speaker 2: and the seats were really small because people back in
Speaker 2: nineteen twelve were a little bit smaller than us.
Speaker 8: Fenwly is awesome, though, a what a place everybody. It's great.
Speaker 2: Everybody should see a game in there. Definitely, Yes, it's
Speaker 2: worth it because you walk in and you see that
Speaker 2: left field and you go, damn, that monster is really close.
Speaker 3: It strikes you as a whiffle ball place where you go, Man,
Speaker 3: this would be great to play wiffleball off the wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 5: When I'm going to New York in the late nineties,
Speaker 5: all I heard was, Shaye, Stadium's awful.
Speaker 4: Don't go to a Mets game. It's awful.
Speaker 5: It's a bad experience, hard to get to, bad food, everything,
Speaker 5: there's planes flying over. I think I had been told
Speaker 5: so many times it was off. I got there, I'm like,
Speaker 5: this is all right. It seemed okay to me. It
Speaker 5: didn't seem bad. I guess it didn't have the amenities,
Speaker 5: but as long as you got beer hot dogs in
Speaker 5: a view, I thought it was terrible. I'm not sure why.
Speaker 11: There was no.
Speaker 3: Atmosphere there and there are planes going by it just
Speaker 3: it wasn't There was no magic there. There was no like, wow,
Speaker 3: the Apple, Yeah, the Apple when somebody hits a home run,
Speaker 3: like yeah, the Big Apple.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yankee Stadium. You walked in and you go all right.
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't pristine, but it was still Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Ruth played there, Yes, Yeah, even walking down into the
Speaker 3: like the dugout and you're going, you know, babe used
Speaker 3: to be in here, and you know so babe, and
Speaker 3: probably some babes used to be in there knowing babe.
Speaker 11: Yes.
Speaker 8: It was one of the first things my father in
Speaker 8: law said to me. As soon as the new Yankee
Speaker 8: Stadium opened Dave Ruth never played there. I was like, oh, damn,
Speaker 8: I wonder if the Yankees realized what they just gave up. Nah,
Speaker 8: it doesn't look that great to me, Babe, Ruth never
Speaker 8: played there.
Speaker 2: All right, we're waiting word from the Big ten and
Speaker 2: then how Michigan responds. Is Jim Harball going to be
Speaker 2: on the sidelines this weekend? Does any of this punishment matter,
Speaker 2: or the rumors of it or the possibility. I think
Speaker 2: it's all if it happens, it happens in the offseason.
Speaker 2: But it's bringing Rick newhis are a good buddy, CBS
Speaker 2: Sports college football analyst, former college coach at you dub
Speaker 2: also Colorado and UCLA. All right, Rick, what do you
Speaker 2: think should happen to Jim Harbaugh and Michigan?
Speaker 3: I just put this under the category of over zealous
Speaker 3: the Wizard of Oz, Right, this is you got a
Speaker 3: guy by name O'Connor Stallions who's just super fan, wants
Speaker 3: to impress the head coach and finds ways to get
Speaker 3: all kinds of intelligence. The head coach goes, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: you really can get that stuff and proves to be
Speaker 3: very accurate information, and you end up hiring him. And
Speaker 3: the guy went way over skis and obviously didn't do
Speaker 3: a very good job of hiding his trail. As we're
Speaker 3: uncovering more and more of this, Yeah, this is just
Speaker 3: over zealousness. One oh one, What will happen? Do you think, Well,
Speaker 3: you've got a bunch of angry coaches. You've got real
Speaker 3: a bunch of angry and angry mob right now knocking
Speaker 3: at the door. And you know, Tony Petitti's in a
Speaker 3: bund because he's got to prove to these guys that
Speaker 3: he's going to try to find some measure of justice
Speaker 3: and Michigan's going to just lawyer up. This is going
Speaker 3: to get pushed to the after the season because of
Speaker 3: all the legal machinations. And I would guess that Jim
Speaker 3: Harbaugh will be looking for a work in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And you talked about that a couple of weeks. That's
Speaker 2: what you thought would maybe be the end result here.
Speaker 2: But also you were on you were coaching what three
Speaker 2: different programs, And did you ever have anybody who would
Speaker 2: have gone rogue on you and got gathered information that
Speaker 2: you didn't know about to maybe help your assistant coaches,
Speaker 2: Not that.
Speaker 3: I'm aware of now. Listen, we all I know there's
Speaker 3: some pushback now by Michigan that coaches are you know,
Speaker 3: conspiring and getting information against Michigan. You'd always get on
Speaker 3: the phone and ask somebody who's a friend in the business,
Speaker 3: if they'd just played somebody, give me you know your tells, right,
Speaker 3: If you're going into a poker game, you want to
Speaker 3: know what people's tells are. That that happens all the time,
Speaker 3: But to go to the level that Connor Stallions has
Speaker 3: apparently gone to, I had never been aware of anything
Speaker 3: like that. Did you ever get signals?
Speaker 2: Did you ever get information like that from another coach
Speaker 2: sharing information like Rutgers Purdue in Ohio State are accused
Speaker 2: of doing.
Speaker 3: The signals that you would always try to get from
Speaker 3: opponents is personnel groups. Defensive coordinators are hell bent to
Speaker 3: find out what personnel is going into the game, especially
Speaker 3: with this advent of up tempo stuff. So if you're
Speaker 3: changing personnel and you're going from eleven personnel, which means
Speaker 3: one back and one tight end in the game, and
Speaker 3: you're going to now ten personnel, taking the tight end
Speaker 3: out and adding a wide receiver, the coordinator, the defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator of the play caller wants to know that information
Speaker 3: so that he can give a call that's more in
Speaker 3: touch with all the data that you have when they're
Speaker 3: in ten. So you're always looking to see what signals
Speaker 3: are going in to communicate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the role liked
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Rutgers in Purdue.
Speaker 3: What they're accused of is that illegal? No, what I
Speaker 3: think they're getting the signator are personnel groupings. I think
Speaker 3: they're just getting personnel grouping signals.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 3: They have the wherewithal to figure out what the play
Speaker 3: call is. I really don't. What Connor Stallions was doing
Speaker 3: was taking it to the end degree and knowing everything
Speaker 3: there was to know about this stuff, and at least
Speaker 3: allegedly and coordinators. All the video shows him standing next
Speaker 3: to the coordinators are waiting for him to say run
Speaker 3: pass and what kind of run and pass? And that's
Speaker 3: a huge advantage. I'm just trying to understand this, though, Rick.
Speaker 3: If I had somebody on my staff who was going
Speaker 3: to other games getting information, who is he giving the
Speaker 3: information to? And how does Jim Harball not know that
Speaker 3: somebody on his staff is going to scout in advance,
Speaker 3: maybe be in disguise, and giving that information to one
Speaker 3: of his assistant coaches. I think that Jim did know.
Speaker 3: I think it's implausible for him not to know that
Speaker 3: this guy has some real information and some important data
Speaker 3: that can be really useful to the coordinators in their
Speaker 3: play calls. And you know the fact that he was
Speaker 3: out there doing all that. I don't think Jim wanted
Speaker 3: to know how he was doing it, but he was
Speaker 3: certainly useful information, which is why the guy went from
Speaker 3: superfan to an employee.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Rick new Heisl, CBS Sports college football analyst,
Speaker 2: former college head coach at Washington, UCLA and Colorado. What
Speaker 2: is the policy etiquette of ratting out a program? Like,
Speaker 2: if you got information, you know, would you share that
Speaker 2: with somebody a reporter or the NCAA if you knew
Speaker 2: that they were up to something nefarious.
Speaker 3: I think what we all would like to say we
Speaker 3: would do is go straight to the source, Which is
Speaker 3: mean if you had a suspicion that Jim Harbaugh was
Speaker 3: doing something, you'd go straight to Jim Harbaugh. I know
Speaker 3: he did that to me. He thought I was He
Speaker 3: thought I was involved with the recruit at a time
Speaker 3: where I couldn't be on in phone conversation with her
Speaker 3: or I couldn't call the recruit, and he called me
Speaker 3: out and accused me of it. I said, Jim absolutely
Speaker 3: not the kid called me. It was a kid out
Speaker 3: of Stockton by the name of Philip Rule, a kind
Speaker 3: of walk on fullback that you know, walk on con't
Speaker 3: get into Stanford. So this was a unique guy for him.
Speaker 3: Harley calls you and says, oh yeah, he called me
Speaker 3: every name in the book saying I was cheating, and
Speaker 3: I said, you're absolutely out of your mind. I've got
Speaker 3: all the phone records. You can see that phil Rule
Speaker 3: called me wanting to come to UCLA. But we had
Speaker 3: it out on the phone. There was nothing going back,
Speaker 3: give and take. What's amazing, Dan, this this guy went
Speaker 3: to the lengths to bring all this data. We were
Speaker 3: back in the PAC ten at the time and wanted
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll to stop having the use of all the
Speaker 3: PAC twelve officials at his practice. He said he only
Speaker 3: had a budget for you know, three or four practices
Speaker 3: a year where the PAC twelve officials PAC ten officials
Speaker 3: at the time would come to his practice, and Pete
Speaker 3: was having it every day. He could afford to have
Speaker 3: him every day, and he was going to get this,
Speaker 3: you know, great favoritism from the officials because he was
Speaker 3: going to create these relationships. And then Pete raised his
Speaker 3: hand and said I was the most penalized team in
Speaker 3: the league. And everybody started laughing. But he started laughing
Speaker 3: and Jim got so angry. He said, it's the principle
Speaker 3: of the thing, and it was just like funniest That's
Speaker 3: what I'm wondering. His dad was a legendary coach, by
Speaker 3: the book coach, Like that's the thing I keep coming
Speaker 3: back to with Harball. Yeah, what he has done this
Speaker 3: and maybe embarrassed his dad in the process. I guess
Speaker 3: the ends justify the means. But this is wildly embarrassing,
Speaker 3: wildly embarrassing because this is a team that frankly doesn't
Speaker 3: need it. This team is really good.
Speaker 4: What he's got.
Speaker 3: A matter of fact, he couldn't he couldn't stop but
Speaker 3: tell me in Indianapolis at the Big Ten Media Days
Speaker 3: that this is good. This team's going to break the
Speaker 3: record of George's most draft choices going to the NFL.
Speaker 3: He thinks it's going to be somewhere in an eighteen
Speaker 3: to twenty number. Would you rather know what Harball knew
Speaker 3: or who's the one that started the investigation? This is
Speaker 3: where this is the Johnny Cochran. I mean, he's just
Speaker 3: if the glove doesn't fit right. You've got a jury
Speaker 3: looking at something that doesn't have anything to do with this.
Speaker 3: The bottom line is Connor Stallions was too obvious. But
Speaker 3: but somebody had it out for Harball. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 3: that lines a long line. That lines a long line.
Speaker 3: Just to put you on record, you had nothing to
Speaker 3: do with this. I had nothing to do it. I
Speaker 3: just want to make sure. Yeah, you have no knowledge
Speaker 3: of it. But but somebody, somebody gift wrapped this to
Speaker 3: the NCAA, oh without question, without questions why, and uh,
Speaker 3: obviously they got wind of it somehow, some way, there
Speaker 3: was a tip that just somebody was doing this.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the teams don't turn in other teams though, because
Speaker 2: everybody's cheating, rick, aren't.
Speaker 3: They If no, no, not everybody at this level. That's
Speaker 3: an I'll dry a line there. Everybody's trying to get information,
Speaker 3: trying to get tells, and if you've got a buddy
Speaker 3: that knows something, you're going to ask what you know.
Speaker 3: But no one's going to the links that Connor's Alligan went.
Speaker 3: And now finding out that Connor Stallions went from you know,
Speaker 3: the Wizard of Oz over zealous to an employee. Now
Speaker 3: you're you're substantiating his work. And there is where you've
Speaker 3: got an issue. Great it writes, it writes his own song.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is going to be a song, Dan,
Speaker 3: and I'll come back and perform it here at some point.
Speaker 3: What's it going to be called? Oh? Santa?
Speaker 4: Oh no, Jimmy's got.
Speaker 3: You in blind? Are you blind? Connor Stallion's trail not
Speaker 3: hard to find? Santa? Oh no, just play the game
Speaker 3: of lee Lees Bump Bump bump. Oh yeah, it's going
Speaker 3: to write itself. Thank you, buddy, Good to talk to
Speaker 3: you again, my friend, h he was ready for that.
Speaker 3: I was just asking the title of the song.
Speaker 2: But new Isiel, who's given us many many songs born
Speaker 2: in the SEC I think might have been the first
Speaker 2: one legendary. But uh interesting though. His take that Harball
Speaker 2: called him when Harball was at Stanford and Rick was
Speaker 2: recruiting somebody that Stanford was recruiting, and he thought that
Speaker 2: Jim did something. Jim thought that Rick did something illegal
Speaker 2: and then called him up and knew Heisel said, I
Speaker 2: didn't call the recruit and he called me.
Speaker 3: And the fact that Jim would call him on that,
Speaker 3: that's why I keep coming back to this that if
Speaker 3: you're Michigan, you don't have to do this.
Speaker 2: It's like the Houston Astros. Everybody says, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: they're not cheating. Now, you didn't have to cheat back then,
Speaker 2: you were that good. I don't you know Jim's dad.
Speaker 2: I keep coming back when I met him the first time,
Speaker 2: his father, legendary college coach, and I just think like
Speaker 2: the integrity of that relationship and the family and coaching
Speaker 2: and what it means and the importance. Would he do
Speaker 2: knowingly do something that was breaking the rules? Yeah, poem,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: The investigation could show that it never got up to him.
Speaker 5: He just saw the product of what this guy was doing.
Speaker 4: Rogue.
Speaker 5: But the Big Ten may say that your team still
Speaker 5: benefited from illegal sign stealing where you go in person
Speaker 5: to another stadium. They may say, you knowing or not
Speaker 5: knowing is irrelevant to the benefit of the program that
Speaker 5: you got.
Speaker 2: Okay, But also help me understand this. If if he's
Speaker 2: guilty of something suspended, then are you taking away victories?
Speaker 2: So maybe he doesn't coach too.
Speaker 4: Now that's the NCAA, not the Big Ten.
Speaker 3: But that's also if you cheated, you're you're guilty. Of cheating.
Speaker 3: We're going to punish you for cheating.
Speaker 2: Then I have to take away the wins that you
Speaker 2: had because cheating helped you get those wins.
Speaker 5: The NCAA's three levels of infraction one, two, and three.
Speaker 4: One is the strongest.
Speaker 5: One is where you could lose titles, you could lose history,
Speaker 5: like Michigan basketball is stripped of things. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 5: level one infraction. A level three infraction could be as
Speaker 5: simple as like a fine or a sit down for
Speaker 5: a week, or where it doesn't rise to the level
Speaker 5: of losing scholarships or losing bowl appearances.
Speaker 2: So according to ESPN, there's no medication of any timetable
Speaker 2: on a decision on potential Big Ten discipline. In the
Speaker 2: case of Michigan's alleged illegal sign stealing. We'll take a break.
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Speaker 2: his career. That's the two hundred and sixty third time
Speaker 2: that he's had a double double. Only two active NBA
Speaker 2: players have had more double doubles in their first four
Speaker 2: hundred games. Let's go around the room and see if
Speaker 2: we can guess active players double doubles in their first
Speaker 2: four hundred games. One had two hundred and ninety one
Speaker 2: double doubles, the other one two seventy seven. Todd, I'll
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to cheat this time.
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Speaker 3: that kind of ruins the bit, Yeah, Marvin, okay, your
Speaker 3: excluded Seaton.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if Luca has he played four hundred
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Speaker 3: Okay. Anthony Davis, Oh, I don't think he's played for
Speaker 3: under career game. Oh yeah, four games? Yeah, Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 2: Okay, both players their first initial is K. Does that
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Speaker 3: Yes, Kevin Loves still playing. I don't know who he's
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Speaker 3: He looks like he's old as me. Is he Cleveland? Marvin?
Speaker 6: I think he's on the heat roster.
Speaker 5: He is a heat He's played he started three games
Speaker 5: this year.
Speaker 3: No, he hasn't.
Speaker 4: I'm not taking that up. I would never brush smirts.
Speaker 4: Kevin Love.
Speaker 5: He's everthing.
Speaker 4: Uh, he's actually he's everything.
Speaker 3: Eight and eight. Okay, well that's not quite a double
Speaker 3: double now it's a double single. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh coming up, we'll play guest that punishment with Michigan. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's a new segment. It's called Guess That Punishment. A
Speaker 2: couple of phone calls Dave and Columbus. Good morning, Dave,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12: Good after a good morning DP. Hey, by the way,
Speaker 12: King of Morning talk show.
Speaker 3: You are oh all right? Well, thank you Dave.
Speaker 12: Yes, sir, I'm an older man. I've been watching sports
Speaker 12: for over fifty five years, and I'm here to tell
Speaker 12: you the people behind this idea of Jim Hairball, I'm sorry,
Speaker 12: Hardball getting anything this week, this month, this year is
Speaker 12: their pipe dream. It's not going to happen. Too much
Speaker 12: money riding on the people's pockets that are in place
Speaker 12: to receive those profits.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, well, the Big Ten doesn't want to
Speaker 3: discipline Jim Harball, but they also want to make sure
Speaker 3: that they're appeasing the other teams, the other fan bases,
Speaker 3: the other coaches in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: And how do you do both? Do we sort of
Speaker 2: punish you, but we don't take you out of the
Speaker 2: national title picture? Do we wait until the end of
Speaker 2: the season and then we deal with this because you know,
Speaker 2: now these coaches are going and athletic directors are going,
Speaker 2: Wait a minute here and then the next time there's
Speaker 2: a controversy, does somebody bring up, well, you didn't do
Speaker 2: anything to Jim Harball and Michigan. Imagine you just got
Speaker 2: on the job as the commissioner of the Big Ten
Speaker 2: and here you go, here's this investigation, and now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you've got to act in real time.
Speaker 3: What do you do?
Speaker 2: And then what's Michigan do to counteract? Then let's see
Speaker 2: Caleb in Ohio? Hi, Caleb, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 3: Caleb? Caleb, I'm here all right? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Are you mountain climbing? I'm working on a solar field? Okay?
Speaker 3: Should I call you back later? Caleb? All right, Well
Speaker 3: we'll try them a little later on.
Speaker 4: You know, those things don't just go up themselves now,
Speaker 4: they don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, okay, I'm actually at work right now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, So, Caleb, I didn't mean to interrupt your jobs.
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 3: My bad.
Speaker 1: My man.
Speaker 3: Robbie in Utah, Hey, rob what's on your mind?
Speaker 11: Good morning?
Speaker 1: DP you guys?
Speaker 11: Hey two twenty forty four guys. I got one statement
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Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 11: You guys are changing the world. My wife is in
Speaker 11: Ireland right now for work. And I'm flying in on
Speaker 11: Friday to go see her. He calls me Monday morning,
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Speaker 11: my gosh, I watched Don Patrick the Raiders one. She's
Speaker 11: not a sportsman. Can I believe that she watched you,
Speaker 11: guys Walter when Aaron Rodgers got injured? Oh? I heard
Speaker 11: on Dan Patrick? Like, wow, you listen to Dan Patrick
Speaker 11: when you travel? Second, what's the norms in Ireland?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 11: She says that you don't tip over there? She doesn't
Speaker 11: trust me driving. And what's the best food to eat? Uh?
Speaker 3: The food is better than advertised good seafood over there,
Speaker 3: And I would tip. They may not do it, but
Speaker 3: I did. You know you're you just want to make
Speaker 3: sure you're not an ugly American like going over there
Speaker 3: and not and just even ask, you know, what's a
Speaker 3: normal tip?
Speaker 2: Ask as somebody if you're at a restaurant or at
Speaker 2: a bar, just say what what is normal here? What
Speaker 2: is respectful here? But not every place in the world?
Speaker 2: You know you tip? But you know over there we did.
Speaker 3: Well. We needed to, at least I think we did.
Speaker 3: When we left the bar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I left seating with the bill one night a
Speaker 2: check one night, like, oh, I forgot to pay.
Speaker 3: Didn't your friend say, oh, they left you with the bill. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the bartender was like, so Will Farrell and
Speaker 3: Dan Patrick made you pay. Okay, okay. Oops.
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