Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.
Speaker 2: This is also going to be the Ben Ferguson podcast,
Speaker 2: and many of you are going to hear this on
Speaker 2: radio stations as well. This is moments after the presidential debate,
Speaker 2: Center Cruz. I didn't think it could actually be this bad.
Speaker 2: It was worse than even I think either of us
Speaker 2: could have imagined. And now the Democratic Party is screaming
Speaker 2: replaced the president.
Speaker 3: Well, you and I are sitting here at is ten
Speaker 3: seventeen pm Texas time, at is eleven seventeen pm East
Speaker 3: Coast time, the night of the debate. The debate just ended,
Speaker 3: and I have to say we have just witnessed what
Speaker 3: I believe is the most consequential presidential debate in US history.
Speaker 3: Sometimes debate change, debates change things. Sometimes they don't. I
Speaker 3: believe to bite tonight's debate change things fundamentally. And I
Speaker 3: believe the odds have now skyrocketed. I believe the odds
Speaker 3: are north of eighty percent that the Democrat Party will
Speaker 3: remove Joe Biden from the ticket and replace him. And
Speaker 3: I believe they are likely to replace Joe Biden with
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama because Biden did so disastrously badly tonight that
Speaker 3: Democrats across the country are in utter freefall and complete panic.
Speaker 3: We're going to break all that down tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, this was a prediction that you
Speaker 2: made on this show back in September of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three that the Democratic king makers could bring in Michelle
Speaker 2: Obama will break all that down. I want to tell
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Speaker 2: some of the highlights, but even before we get to
Speaker 2: the debate, I think the most shocking part is what
Speaker 2: happened directly after the debate.
Speaker 1: This was the.
Speaker 2: First thing that America heard on CNN, the host of
Speaker 2: the debate.
Speaker 4: That's into the debate, and it continues right now. It
Speaker 4: involves party strategists, it involves elected officials, it involves fundraisers,
Speaker 4: and they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they
Speaker 4: think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people
Speaker 4: down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations
Speaker 4: about what they should do about it. Some of those
Speaker 4: conversations include, should we go to the White House and
Speaker 4: ask the president's step aside? Or other of the conversations
Speaker 4: are about should prominent Democrats go public with that call
Speaker 4: because they feel this debate was so terrible.
Speaker 1: They do say in moments in the debate.
Speaker 4: Later the president got better and got his footing, but
Speaker 4: then at the end, even his closing statement was a
Speaker 4: little halting the contrast between the two candidates.
Speaker 1: Let me be clear, none of them and.
Speaker 4: A lot of Republicans don't think Donald Trump had a
Speaker 4: great night. Donald Trump broke the fact check machine more
Speaker 4: than I can count tonight. That will be on the
Speaker 4: record as we go forward. He refused to answer some
Speaker 4: very specific and direct questions about his conduct about January sixth.
Speaker 5: And what all.
Speaker 1: So that will be dealt.
Speaker 4: With out there. And sometimes there's a parallel universe between
Speaker 4: the political elites and the American people. Be nice to
Speaker 4: see what the voters say. But I can tell you
Speaker 4: it started minutes in. It started with the first couple
Speaker 4: of answers, and it has continued throughout the night from
Speaker 4: oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1: To what do we do about this?
Speaker 4: And it involves very senior people in the Democratic Party,
Speaker 4: including elected officials, saying we have a problem, and just we.
Speaker 1: Have a problem.
Speaker 2: They're moving actively right now to replace Joe Biden, saying
Speaker 2: we've got time before the convention, which is exactly what
Speaker 2: you predicted on this show nine months ago.
Speaker 3: Well, let me say what you played just there. I
Speaker 3: agree with half of it, and I disagree with half
Speaker 3: of it. What I do agree with is that Joe
Speaker 3: Biden did unbelievably badly, that the degree of dementia he
Speaker 3: is facing right now, it is escalated to a point
Speaker 3: that it is unrecognizable. And I think there are a
Speaker 3: great many Democrats who are looking at this saying we
Speaker 3: cannot nominate this man. He is not capable. He doesn't
Speaker 3: know what's going on. In a second, we're going to
Speaker 3: play a couple of clips that show that. But it
Speaker 3: was I will say, as badly as I thought Joe
Speaker 3: Biden was going to do, he did worse. It was stunning.
Speaker 3: I've never seen a debate performance this bad. But the
Speaker 3: part I disagree of what you just played is I
Speaker 3: think Donald Trump had hands down his best debate performance
Speaker 3: he has ever had in his life.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 3: I've stood on that stage with Donald Trump about a
Speaker 3: dozen times, and I've seen him and sometimes he said
Speaker 3: good debates. Sometimes he's had less than good debates. Tonight
Speaker 3: he did exactly what earlier this morning, you and I
Speaker 3: did a special podcast preparing for this debate, and what
Speaker 3: you and I talked about that Trump needed to do
Speaker 3: is be calm, be measured, be under control, not interrupt
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, let him hang himself, give him the airtime
Speaker 3: to talk. And Trump did that spectacularly. He was restrained,
Speaker 3: even as Biden was saying ridiculous things. He was restrained,
Speaker 3: he was calmed, he was matter of fact. He prosecuted
Speaker 3: the case and Biden couldn't handle it. Biden repeatedly, what
Speaker 3: was screaming, You're a liar, you're lying, you could I
Speaker 3: mean he was. There were moments. Look, it's clear we
Speaker 3: talked before about the meds. They had him on meds.
Speaker 3: They put him on different meds from the State of
Speaker 3: the Union. He was not nearly as amped up as
Speaker 3: he was at the State of the Union. But when
Speaker 3: Trump poked him and he got angry, Biden couldn't respond
Speaker 3: other than just screaming, liar, liar, liar. And he returned
Speaker 3: to the State of the Union, old man on his
Speaker 3: front porch, screaming, get off my front port. She had
Speaker 3: moments like that, But that's not even the dominant takeaway.
Speaker 3: The dominant takeaway is this is a man who doesn't
Speaker 3: know what's going on here.
Speaker 5: I want to play the.
Speaker 3: Clip early in the debate where he just completely loses
Speaker 3: his train of thought, and this is the answer at
Speaker 3: which I think people all over the country said, uh, oh,
Speaker 3: this guy's just not there.
Speaker 5: Give a listen.
Speaker 6: I sculd me with dealing with everything we have to
Speaker 6: do with. Look, if we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 2: We finally beat medicare, I mean Donald Trump's response was quote,
Speaker 2: I don't I really don't know what he said at
Speaker 2: the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows
Speaker 2: what he said either.
Speaker 3: And Biden gets lost and and Trump counters with what
Speaker 3: he counters to. That is and by the way, the
Speaker 3: question had nothing to do with medicare, Like the word
Speaker 3: medicare comes completely out of left field. It's the only
Speaker 3: thing he mentioned. He's just like, we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 3: And then Trump cames and said, well, he said at
Speaker 3: the end, he beat medicare. He beat it to death.
Speaker 3: Give a listen to Trump's response. Play the next clip.
Speaker 6: All those things we need to do, childcare, eldercare, making
Speaker 6: sure that we continue to suppend strength in our healthcare system,
Speaker 6: making sure that we're able to make every single solitary
Speaker 6: person eligible for what I've been able to do with
Speaker 6: the h with the COVID I exculd me with dealing
Speaker 6: with every day we have to do with Look, if
Speaker 6: we finally beat medicare.
Speaker 1: Thank you, President Biden.
Speaker 7: President Trump, Well, he's right, he did beat medicare, beat
Speaker 7: it to death. And he's destroying medicare because all of
Speaker 7: these people are coming in, they're putting them on Medicare,
Speaker 7: They're putting them on.
Speaker 2: I mean you hear that he just stopped, didn't know
Speaker 2: what he was doing. And if you look at the
Speaker 2: look on his face, Senator Joe Biden actually looked lost
Speaker 2: and was looking around like what am I doing?
Speaker 5: Where am I?
Speaker 3: His brain was frozen, it short circuited throughout the time.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you Joe Biden did badly when he wasn't talking.
Speaker 3: When he wasn't talking, the look on his face was
Speaker 3: a look of confusion. Listen, anyone who's ever dealt with
Speaker 3: with an elderly parent, an elderly grandparent who's dealing with
Speaker 3: the loss of their faculties knows that look. My grandmother Miabuela,
Speaker 3: whom I love, she had Alzheimer's. I've seen, I've seen
Speaker 3: what happens. It was clear he didn't know what was
Speaker 3: going on. He was just confused. And even his most
Speaker 3: passionate defenders, they can't defend them all, right, Maria Shriver.
Speaker 1: I just saw this.
Speaker 2: Kennel Kennedy, Yeah, I just saw this.
Speaker 3: Democrat 're Democrat Royalty. Let me read you what she
Speaker 3: just tweeted moments ago.
Speaker 5: Quote.
Speaker 3: I love Joe Biden. I know he's a good man.
Speaker 3: I know his heart is good. I know he's dedicated
Speaker 3: to our country and is surrounded by good people. Tonight
Speaker 3: was heartbreaking in many ways. This is a big political moment.
Speaker 3: There's panic in the Democratic Party. It's going to be
Speaker 3: a long night. The Democrats have lost Maria Shriver. That's
Speaker 3: a problem.
Speaker 2: Well, and listen to Abby Phillips. Abby Phillips saying this
Speaker 2: on CNN as well in the moments afterwards. This is
Speaker 2: how she described how bad it was for Joe Biden.
Speaker 8: And just to co sign what John is saying. I mean,
Speaker 8: the panic that I am hearing from Democrats is not
Speaker 8: like anything that I have heard in this campaign so far,
Speaker 8: and a lot of it has to do with First
Speaker 8: of all, there was a deep frustration about Trump's lies.
Speaker 1: I mean, he lied a lot tonight.
Speaker 8: But the problem for Biden was that Trump was able
Speaker 8: to take sometimes incredible falsehoods and turn them into some
Speaker 8: kind of argument, whereas Biden's answers were in a lot
Speaker 8: of cases not coherent, deeply problematic. That he was not
Speaker 8: able to take pretty straightforward answers and answer them to.
Speaker 5: The that's CNN.
Speaker 3: That is CNN who's saying the Democrats are panicking and
Speaker 3: Biden's answers where in a lot of cases not go here,
Speaker 3: all right, play Van Jones, Van Jones, this is the
Speaker 3: hard left here, he's on CNN.
Speaker 5: Listen. Here's what Van Jones had to say.
Speaker 1: I was painful. I love Joe Biden. I worked for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. He didn't do well at all. He did
Speaker 1: not do well at all.
Speaker 2: It's like a funeral. It's like you're watching a funeral
Speaker 2: in real time on CNN. And this is their instant reaction.
Speaker 2: These are the first voices that America heard after the debate.
Speaker 2: Drudge Report, for example, which used to be pretty conservative center,
Speaker 2: now they really hate Donald Trump. Their headline right now
Speaker 2: is Operation Replace Biden, dim scramble with one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty days to go debate catastrophe, Which brings me back
Speaker 2: to let's go back to nine months ago. Nine months ago,
Speaker 2: September the eighteenth, You and I had this conversation. And
Speaker 2: by the way, there were a lot in the media,
Speaker 2: and there were a lot of other people in Washington
Speaker 2: that said you and I were crazy for having this conversation.
Speaker 1: So let's play the clip.
Speaker 3: So here's the scenario that I think is perhaps most
Speaker 3: likely and most dangerous. In August of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: the Democrat Kingmakers jettison Joe Biden and parachute in Michelle Obama, and.
Speaker 5: I want you to pause and reflect on it.
Speaker 2: So I'm pausing, and I'm reflecting, as we said, and
Speaker 2: so is everybody else listening.
Speaker 5: Right now, I view this as a very serious danger.
Speaker 1: I'm smiling right now because it terrifies me. And I
Speaker 1: also could totally see this happen.
Speaker 3: So Michelle Obama, number one, you don't infuriate African American women,
Speaker 3: which is a critical part of the constituency that Democrats
Speaker 3: are relying on to win. But number two, you avoid
Speaker 3: the problem if you pick from any of the four.
Speaker 3: The other three are pissed because they're all, to some
Speaker 3: extent peers, they're rivals, they're all jabbin knives at each other.
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama, because she was first Lady, has the ability
Speaker 3: to kind of parachute in above all four and say, hey,
Speaker 3: we're not picking among any of you. You guys can
Speaker 3: all fight it out. Next time. You're all going to
Speaker 3: be on the same level. We're coming. This is the
Speaker 3: Obamas saving the day. And I think in terms of
Speaker 3: a solution, that unifies Democrats.
Speaker 5: There ain't nothing like that.
Speaker 3: I also think Michelle is not all that eager to
Speaker 3: run for president. But to parachute in in August of
Speaker 3: twenty four, a couple of months before the presidency and
Speaker 3: suddenly wake up and to be president not a bad gig.
Speaker 5: It's not a bad gig at all. Now would she
Speaker 5: do it? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've met Michelle, but I don't know her personally in
Speaker 3: any meaningful way.
Speaker 5: I don't know if she would do it.
Speaker 3: I do think Barack Obama is already running the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: I think he is already the puppet master behind this
Speaker 3: Biden white House. I don't think Joe Biden is the
Speaker 3: decision maker. And so when I see the media turning
Speaker 3: on Joe Biden right now, I think the odds of
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama parachuting in in August of twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: have risen dramatically, and that ought to scare the hell
Speaker 3: out anyone who is unhappy about the direction this country
Speaker 3: is going and doesn't want us to go even crazier
Speaker 3: in an even worse direct.
Speaker 2: September eighteenth, center of twenty twenty three, we had this
Speaker 2: discussion and even right now on MSN dot com. The
Speaker 2: headline is we beat Medicare Biden Freeze's mid answer before
Speaker 2: being bailed out by moderator, and then they go on
Speaker 2: to talk about that was a total disaster by the
Speaker 2: sitting president and Democrats are running to replace Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: so they're not even having the conversation behind closed doors.
Speaker 2: They're having it out on national TV right now and
Speaker 2: in the news.
Speaker 3: Well, and Ben, what you've just played is I think
Speaker 3: as good a promo for this podcast as you possibly
Speaker 3: could have.
Speaker 5: What we are facing right now.
Speaker 3: We predicted on this podcast nine months ago, in September
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three. We were among the very first
Speaker 3: voices to do that. At the time, it made a
Speaker 3: bunch of headlines. And you're right, people thought we were
Speaker 3: batcrap crazy. Let's be clear, they thought I was bat
Speaker 3: crap crazy. I shouldn't say we had stick you into that.
Speaker 3: You were there while I was making that prediction, and
Speaker 3: they were like, Cruise has lost his mind. And by
Speaker 3: the way, in terms of predictions, we also at the
Speaker 3: outset of COVID laid out all of the evidence that
Speaker 3: COVID originated in the Chinese lab in when CNN and ABC, CBS,
Speaker 3: NBC were suppressing that news, when Facebook and Twitter were
Speaker 3: suppressing that news. We were laying out the evidence then
Speaker 3: and this morning, before the debate, our analysis of the debate,
Speaker 3: I predicted, unequivocally, Donald Trump is going to kick Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's ass. That was my prediction. That is exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: It was the title of the show. And there were
Speaker 3: not a lot of people predicting that, but I number one,
Speaker 3: thought Biden would do terribly. But number two, if Trump
Speaker 3: could remain controlled, and he did that, he did that
Speaker 3: in an excellent way. I'm going to call President Trump
Speaker 3: tomorrow and tell him it's the best debate he's ever done,
Speaker 3: and I've been there for a lot of them. He
Speaker 3: was measured, he was controlled, he was fact based, He
Speaker 3: laid out the case. Even his response on medicare, Let's
Speaker 3: take the one we just played. It would be easy
Speaker 3: to be starky and say, okay, this guy is like
Speaker 3: that answer is incoherent. What Trump did was even better.
Speaker 3: There said I mean, look, he said he actually did
Speaker 3: beat medicare, which was obviously a weird brain short circuit.
Speaker 3: And he said the reason he beat Medicare is because
Speaker 3: he's let millions and millions of legal immigrants into this country.
Speaker 3: He's putting them all in Medicare, which is going to
Speaker 3: bankrupt Medicare. And that was a major message that Trump
Speaker 3: is hitting, is that the invasion on our southern border
Speaker 3: is also bankrupting Medicare and social Security. I think that
Speaker 3: was a smart decision to lean in on that. Joe
Speaker 3: Biden had no answer. He had no response all night long.
Speaker 3: As Trump laid out the case you caused the inflation,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden had no response to that. As Trump laid
Speaker 3: out the people who are being murdered all across this
Speaker 3: country from criminals and insane asylums. When Trump would say, look,
Speaker 3: Venezuela is emptying their jails and sending US murderers and
Speaker 3: rapists and child molesters and lunatics, you saw Joe Biden
Speaker 3: just looking confused. He had no response, He didn't dispute it.
Speaker 3: He had nothing to say in response on foreign policy,
Speaker 3: and we talked about this again in this morning's podcast
Speaker 3: and just said, well, if Trump's president Putin will invade
Speaker 3: all of Ukraine and all of Europe, and Trump is like,
Speaker 3: what utter crap? When I was president Russia didn't invade
Speaker 3: one square inch of territory anywhere on planet Earth. And
Speaker 3: by the way, he did under Barack Obama, and he
Speaker 3: did under Joe Biden. You're so weak that that's why
Speaker 3: Putin invaded and it. Trump did an excellent job of
Speaker 3: prosecuting the case, and Biden was utterly incapable of responding.
Speaker 3: And I think you are seeing seeing Democrats freaking out now.
Speaker 3: I believe there are two things. Well, let me say
Speaker 3: a couple of things. Number one, let me tell you why.
Speaker 3: I believe it'll be Michelle Obama because you're going to
Speaker 3: see today and tomorrow all sorts of discussion. You're gonna
Speaker 3: hear Gavin Newsome, You're gonna hear all sorts of other names.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: I think if they do it, what's the pitch Because
Speaker 2: it's gonna start with Barack Obama, who was just leading
Speaker 2: Joe Biden off stage, remember, and everybody saw it like
Speaker 2: he was an elderly old man in opa home. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm just being
Speaker 2: honest about it. And clearly he witnessed how bad it was.
Speaker 2: Then is he the guy that has to look at
Speaker 2: Michelle and I going I'd do it, but I can.
Speaker 2: I've already been president for eight years. It has to
Speaker 2: be you, honey.
Speaker 3: Well, let me break it to two pieces. Let me
Speaker 3: tell you why it has to be Michelle. It has
Speaker 3: to be Michelle because of Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris is
Speaker 3: the VP. If you push Joe Biden aside, Kamala's next
Speaker 3: in line. The people who say we want Gavin Newsom,
Speaker 3: you know what if the Democrat Party pushes an African
Speaker 3: American woman aside and replaces her with a white guy,
Speaker 3: their party implodes. They cannot do it. They are being
Speaker 3: counters and they are faced. It's actually what forced Joe
Speaker 3: Biden to pick Kamala in the first place. He backed
Speaker 3: himself into it. He doesn't like Kamala. And the problem
Speaker 3: Democrats are having that now is they're looking at Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: They're saying, oh my goodness, this guy cannot be our nominee.
Speaker 3: And they look at Kamala and they recognize she's a
Speaker 3: terrible nominee. And if she's the nominee, they know they'll lose.
Speaker 3: And so their problem is the only person on planet
Speaker 3: Earth who can push Kamala Harris aside is Michelle Obama
Speaker 3: another African American woman who stands on a different footing
Speaker 3: as a former first lady. Now, what are the impediments
Speaker 3: that stop it? The impediments are twofold number one, Michelle
Speaker 3: says no, number two. Joe Biden says no. On the
Speaker 3: Michelle says no. I think you're going to have Barrock
Speaker 3: coming to her. I think you're going to have a
Speaker 3: lot of Democrat kingmakers coming to her. And the pitch
Speaker 3: is going to be, Michelle, you need to save America. Michelle,
Speaker 3: we need you, Michelle. If you do not step forward,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is going to be president. Michelle, you are
Speaker 3: the only person on planet Earth that can save the
Speaker 3: world from a Donald Trump presidency.
Speaker 5: And listen.
Speaker 3: People perceive Michelle Obama as somewhat nonpartisan because she was
Speaker 3: a first late in first ladies kind of stay out
Speaker 3: of politics. I think she is more radical than Barack.
Speaker 3: I think she is an ideologue. I think she is
Speaker 3: a leftist. You remember when when Barack Obama was running
Speaker 3: and she talked about his getting elected was the first
Speaker 3: time in her life she was proud of her country.
Speaker 3: I think she embraces hardcore leftism, but a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't know that. And so the pitch to her
Speaker 3: is going to be save America. And then the pitch
Speaker 3: to Joe Biden. She's got to say yes number one.
Speaker 3: And then too, Joe Biden has got to agree to
Speaker 3: step aside. And I think you're going to see in
Speaker 3: the coming days. You know, you played my prediction from
Speaker 3: September of twenty twenty three. The only thing I might
Speaker 3: have gotten wrong is I said that this would happen
Speaker 3: in August of twenty twenty four. It may be July
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four. I may have been a month
Speaker 3: off in the timing. Because this debate I think changed
Speaker 3: the fundamental terrain.
Speaker 2: Let's also talk about there was two moments that I
Speaker 2: think really speak to the demise of the cognitive colan
Speaker 2: of Joe Biden. And it was subtle but significant, and
Speaker 2: I want to get.
Speaker 1: Your reaction to it.
Speaker 2: There was one moment when he was asked about social
Speaker 2: Security and he gave a very very short answer and
Speaker 2: then the moderators looked at him like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You still have I think they said eighty four seconds
Speaker 2: left or something like that. There was another time he
Speaker 2: was talking about African American voters, African American community, and
Speaker 2: African American issues. And they're like, sir, you still have
Speaker 2: like another minute and ex ember of seconds, sixty four
Speaker 2: seconds left.
Speaker 1: He couldn't even.
Speaker 3: By the way, he spent eight days at Camp David
Speaker 3: preparing and he could not fill the two minutes with
Speaker 3: it a the.
Speaker 2: Two minutes on two vitally important issues like social Security.
Speaker 2: Any politician should be able to fill for two minutes.
Speaker 2: In fact, you should be able to fill.
Speaker 3: These were not subtle, These were not gotcha's, These were
Speaker 3: obvious questions. He had nothing to say. He was scared.
Speaker 3: He was a deer in the headlights.
Speaker 2: So you said, deer in headlights. Let's go to the
Speaker 2: next conversation that's being had right now. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's being had at the White House, at the EOB,
Speaker 2: at the Camp Paying headquarters. Who goes to the president
Speaker 2: first and says step down? And then you're also dealing.
Speaker 1: With every guy.
Speaker 2: That's everybody very stubborn though like he can just can't
Speaker 2: he just look at him say I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 3: He is absolutely stubborn. I think it is BARACKO Bob.
Speaker 3: I think it is Nancy Pelosi. I think it is
Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer. I think it is every leader in the
Speaker 3: Democrat Party. It's not Kamala Harris Kamo is not allowed
Speaker 3: in the room, but I think it is. And they
Speaker 3: go to him and they're pitch to him. They say, Joe,
Speaker 3: you were an historic president, you saved America from Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: You wanted to be the next FDR. I think they will.
Speaker 3: They will appeal to his vanity and say you are
Speaker 3: the next to FDR. You are consequential right now. If
Speaker 3: you stay in the race, you risk undoing your entire
Speaker 3: legacy and giving that legacy going down in history as
Speaker 3: the man who made Donald Trump president. If you stay
Speaker 3: in this race, it will be your fault that Trump
Speaker 3: is president. I think they'll appeal to his vanity and
Speaker 3: and look that that is, I think to Joe bideny
Speaker 3: really powerful pitch.
Speaker 5: Look you look at the debate tonight. He said things.
Speaker 3: At one point, he said, during Trump's presidency, we had
Speaker 3: a thousand trillionaires. By the way, there are no trillionaires
Speaker 3: on planet Earth. At another point, he said, during Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: we had fifty percent unemployment.
Speaker 5: No, that is wildly wrong.
Speaker 3: At another point, he said he created Joe Biden created
Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of jobs. Mind you, there three hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty million Americans and apparently he's created hundreds of
Speaker 3: millions of jobs, so more more jobs than there are
Speaker 3: working Americans. Like it is, every answer was a problem.
Speaker 3: At another point, he said, the Border Patrol endorsed me.
Speaker 5: Let's be clear.
Speaker 3: The Border Patrol Union immediately tweeted out to be clear,
Speaker 3: we have never and will never endorse Biden at every stage.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting, he was also trying to insult Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and Trump didn't take debate. Yeah, and he was smart.
Speaker 3: It was really at Actually when Trump poked Biden, Biden
Speaker 3: freaked out. He couldn't not debate. And so the contrast,
Speaker 3: and I'll say something else. You mentioned African American votes.
Speaker 3: Trump's numbers are surging in the black community, and I
Speaker 3: think tonight he made a very hard pitch for black voters,
Speaker 3: and his most significant pitch. He had a lot of
Speaker 3: points about how bad Trump, how bad Biden has been
Speaker 3: for the African American community, talked about inflation, how it's
Speaker 3: hammering black families, but then he also tied it to
Speaker 3: illegal immigration, and he said, look, the millions and millions
Speaker 3: of ill immigrants that are coming into this country. They're
Speaker 3: taking jobs from black Americans. That is a powerful argument.
Speaker 3: That is an argument. And by the way, Biden had
Speaker 3: no response to that. It was silent. It was on
Speaker 3: the substance. Trump prosecuted the case and Biden crashed and burned.
Speaker 3: And in fact, the Wall Street Journal just sent out
Speaker 3: their key takeaway, their story that they wrote tonight, and
Speaker 3: it's now ten forty seven pm, and their headline is
Speaker 3: Biden crashed in first debate with Trump. That's not an editorial,
Speaker 3: that's the news headline in the Wall Street Journal because
Speaker 3: it is just objectively. If you watch the Hindenburg explode,
Speaker 3: you don't say Zeppelin landed tonight.
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Speaker 2: let's also talk about those that have been lying. The
Speaker 2: media center has been lying, congressmen have been lying, staff
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Speaker 2: you that Joe Biden can run circles around me. The
Speaker 2: White House Press Secretary saying over and over again, saying
Speaker 2: there's no cognitive decline here, saying that he's in perfect health.
Speaker 2: This guy is is a beast. You know, he's jacked
Speaker 2: up aviator Joe. Now they're all actually having to admit
Speaker 2: they're wrong, but no one's gonna, i think, call them
Speaker 2: accountable for that. They're just gonna run out there and say, clearly,
Speaker 2: it's time for him to step aside, step aside, step aside,
Speaker 2: which is also weird because if you're not cognitive, you
Speaker 2: don't have the cognitibility to be president in the future, right,
Speaker 2: and they're saying he can't be the president come January again,
Speaker 2: then when does the twenty fifth and does that even
Speaker 2: come up? Because you're admitting that he's basically incapacitated.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, listen, we have seen reporters and we've seen
Speaker 3: Democrats lying about Joe's mental capacity for a long time,
Speaker 3: and nobody fair and objective who watched tonight could conclude
Speaker 3: anything other than this is a man who is seriously
Speaker 3: mentally diminished. You know it's interesting Andrew Yang, who you remember,
Speaker 3: ran for president against Joe in twenty twenty, he tweeted
Speaker 3: out tonight, quote, look, I debated Joe seven times in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. He's a different guy in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: hashtag swap Joe out that that's from one of the
Speaker 3: alternative one of the other candidates who ran against twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: from a prominent Democrat. Two of the top trends that
Speaker 3: were trending tonight right after the debate were dementia and
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama.
Speaker 5: Now that's bad news.
Speaker 3: I's if that's what's what is trending. And all right,
Speaker 3: I want to wrap up tonight's pod with this. I'm
Speaker 3: going to do something I have rarely, if ever done.
Speaker 3: I may never have done this before. I'm going to
Speaker 3: praise CNN this morning's debate. You and I both thought
Speaker 3: Jake Tapper and Dana Bash would do a terrible job.
Speaker 3: They both hate Donald Trump, they both have become hard partisans.
Speaker 3: CNN did an excellent job tonight with this debate. Jake
Speaker 3: Tapper and Dana Bash. That was the best debate moderation
Speaker 3: they have ever done. They ask good questions, They asked
Speaker 3: substantive questions. They didn't make the debate about them. One
Speaker 3: of the interesting things no one is debating about the
Speaker 3: moderators bad debate moderators. When Chris Wallace debated moderated, the
Speaker 3: whole debate was about him because he wanted to be
Speaker 3: right in the center of the show. When Candy Crowley
Speaker 3: from CNN was the moderator between Obama and Mitt Romney,
Speaker 3: she made it all about her. Jake and Dana they
Speaker 3: asked good questions, They moved subjects along. They would press
Speaker 3: the candidates, but not in a jerky way. They just say,
Speaker 3: I asked you the following question, you have another sixty
Speaker 3: seconds to answer. When they didn't get their questions answered,
Speaker 3: that's a perfectly reasonable thing for a debate moderator to
Speaker 3: to do. I've been in multiple debates that each of
Speaker 3: them have moderated. I think they both were incredibly sensitive
Speaker 3: to everyone laying out the facts that they have shown
Speaker 3: wild bias, and tonight tonight they didn't and they did
Speaker 3: an excellent job, and I think that was a service
Speaker 3: to the country.
Speaker 2: I have to ask you one other question, because everyone's
Speaker 2: asking it in their head right now, what is the
Speaker 2: hold on a second?
Speaker 4: Ben?
Speaker 3: You didn't respond to that, and since you're a former
Speaker 3: employee of CNN, I'm not gonna let you bet. Ben,
Speaker 3: you have sixty two seconds. The question is do you
Speaker 3: think Jake and Danna did a good job.
Speaker 2: I think they did a decent job. And here's why
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get them as much cred as you did.
Speaker 2: You ready for this, all right, but I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: you answer it. I'm not gonna let you wiggle away.
Speaker 1: Fair point. Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 2: I think they were in as much shock as we were, going,
Speaker 2: Holy crap, I'm watching an incapacitated president of the United
Speaker 2: States of America, and they were caught so off guard
Speaker 2: they said, just stick to the script, Just stick the script,
Speaker 2: Just stick the script, like it was a default mode.
Speaker 2: Because because it was such a glaring disaster with Biden
Speaker 2: that no one, no, none of the moderators were honestly
Speaker 2: paying attention to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Yes, but.
Speaker 3: Jake and DNA were more measured than I've ever seen them.
Speaker 3: They were deliberately controlled. They knew that half the country
Speaker 3: viewed them as wild eyed partisans. Look, we played this
Speaker 3: morning Jake analogizing Trump to Adolf Hitler. Yes, and I
Speaker 3: still believe that to I think he believes it. But
Speaker 3: tonight that didn't come out. And and so if we're
Speaker 3: going to criticize him when when he's not doing a
Speaker 3: good job, I will say.
Speaker 5: I think they think that they did their job.
Speaker 2: The biggest political train wreck in American history, and they
Speaker 2: were in it and it was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what to do?
Speaker 1: How do you triage this? And so they got rid
Speaker 1: of some of that.
Speaker 2: I think if Joe Biden would have showed up jacked
Speaker 2: up like you did at the say of the Union,
Speaker 2: I think it would have been a completely different debate
Speaker 2: from the moderators standpoint. But I think they saw what
Speaker 2: everybody else saw, which was we have a present that
Speaker 2: is incapacitated and the whole world is watching it now.
Speaker 1: And no one can stop it.
Speaker 2: There was no one to step in and lead him
Speaker 2: off the stage like Barack Obama did two weeks ago,
Speaker 2: Which brings me back to that question that everyone's asking,
Speaker 2: how quickly will we find out if the conversations with
Speaker 2: Joe Biden are going to work to get him to
Speaker 2: step aside?
Speaker 1: Number one? Okay?
Speaker 2: And number two, how quickly do Democrats have to fall
Speaker 2: back in line and stick with this guy if he
Speaker 2: doesn't decide to step down. And those are the two
Speaker 2: most important questions. Maybe the entire night.
Speaker 3: Three weeks, twenty one days, this happens or doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: In three weeks, I think you're going to have massive
Speaker 3: chaos following this debate. You're going to have massive panic.
Speaker 3: People are going to go to Michelle Obama. People are
Speaker 3: going to go to Joe Biden. I don't think given
Speaker 3: the train wreck that happened tonight, I don't think they'll
Speaker 3: wait until after the Democrat Convention. I think they feel
Speaker 3: a panic right now. I think they're going to want
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama to be the keynote speaker at the Democrat Convention,
Speaker 3: not Joe Biden. So I think we have twenty one
Speaker 3: days for this to play out and look over the
Speaker 3: course of the last year, I've handicapped this. I initially
Speaker 3: laid it out as a possibility, then shifted as the
Speaker 3: Democrats and the media we're starting to get nervous about
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. I shifted to about fifty percent. As we
Speaker 3: sit here today, I put the odds at north of
Speaker 3: eighty percent that Michelle Obama is the Democrat nominee on
Speaker 3: the ballot in November of this year.
Speaker 1: There it is.
Speaker 2: This has been fun. It's shocking. It is crazy to
Speaker 2: watch this debate in real time. Never watch anything like this.
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