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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you.

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Speaker 2: This is also going to be the Ben Ferguson podcast,

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Speaker 2: and many of you are going to hear this on

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Speaker 2: radio stations as well. This is moments after the presidential debate,

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Speaker 2: Center Cruz. I didn't think it could actually be this bad.

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Speaker 2: It was worse than even I think either of us

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Speaker 2: could have imagined. And now the Democratic Party is screaming

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Speaker 2: replaced the president.

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Speaker 3: Well, you and I are sitting here at is ten

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Speaker 3: seventeen pm Texas time, at is eleven seventeen pm East

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Speaker 3: Coast time, the night of the debate. The debate just ended,

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Speaker 3: and I have to say we have just witnessed what

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Speaker 3: I believe is the most consequential presidential debate in US history.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes debate change, debates change things. Sometimes they don't. I

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Speaker 3: believe to bite tonight's debate change things fundamentally. And I

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Speaker 3: believe the odds have now skyrocketed. I believe the odds

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Speaker 3: are north of eighty percent that the Democrat Party will

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Speaker 3: remove Joe Biden from the ticket and replace him. And

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Speaker 3: I believe they are likely to replace Joe Biden with

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Speaker 3: Michelle Obama because Biden did so disastrously badly tonight that

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Speaker 3: Democrats across the country are in utter freefall and complete panic.

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Speaker 3: We're going to break all that down tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, this was a prediction that you

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Speaker 2: made on this show back in September of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three that the Democratic king makers could bring in Michelle

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Speaker 2: Obama will break all that down. I want to tell

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Speaker 2: you real quick about our friends at the International Fellowship

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Speaker 2: of Christians and Jews, and as Israel's ground campaign against

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Speaker 2: the Hamas terrace is continuing, the IDF announced that it

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Speaker 2: expects to have complete control of the southern Gava city

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Speaker 2: of Rafa, a Hamas stronghold, within two weeks. Tensions continue

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Speaker 2: to rise in Israel's north as there are constant rocket

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Speaker 2: attacks from Hesblah that have been fired at Israel. Troops

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Speaker 2: have been injured. Sirens have been sounded in neighborhoods along

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Speaker 2: the eleven on Israel border as well. And that is

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Speaker 2: where your help comes in. You look at what is

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Speaker 2: happening right now, and they need your help.

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Speaker 1: In Israel.

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Speaker 2: Since the tear attack on October the seventh, anti Semitism

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Speaker 2: has been on the rise, not just in Israel, but

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Speaker 2: here at home, in the US and around the world.

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Speaker 2: And that is why I partnered with the International Fellowship

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Speaker 2: of Christians and Jews. And today I am coming to

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Speaker 2: you to ask that you stand with us and IFCJ.

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Speaker 2: This pledge is simple. We are asking Christians to stand

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Speaker 2: with their Jewish brothers and sisters, to never be silent,

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Speaker 2: to show the Jewish people they are not alone, that

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Speaker 2: they have God and Christians on their side. For the

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Speaker 2: month of June, We're asking Christians to sign the pledge,

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Speaker 2: which will be delivered to the President of Israel, to

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Speaker 2: show that Christians in America are not only standing in solidarity,

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Speaker 2: but they are speaking up as well. So let's take

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Speaker 2: a stand today with the International Fellowship of Christians and

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Speaker 2: Jews to let the Jewish people know that they air

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Speaker 2: not alone and we stand proudly behind them. To sign

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Speaker 2: the pledge, all you have to do is go to

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Speaker 2: support IFCJ dot org. That support IFCJ dot org to

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Speaker 2: take a stand today and stand with the people of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Support IFCJ dot org Centaer. I want to get to

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Speaker 2: some of the highlights, but even before we get to

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Speaker 2: the debate, I think the most shocking part is what

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Speaker 2: happened directly after the debate.

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Speaker 1: This was the.

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Speaker 2: First thing that America heard on CNN, the host of

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Speaker 2: the debate.

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Speaker 4: That's into the debate, and it continues right now. It

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Speaker 4: involves party strategists, it involves elected officials, it involves fundraisers,

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Speaker 4: and they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they

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Speaker 4: think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people

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Speaker 4: down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations

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Speaker 4: about what they should do about it. Some of those

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Speaker 4: conversations include, should we go to the White House and

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Speaker 4: ask the president's step aside? Or other of the conversations

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Speaker 4: are about should prominent Democrats go public with that call

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Speaker 4: because they feel this debate was so terrible.

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Speaker 1: They do say in moments in the debate.

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Speaker 4: Later the president got better and got his footing, but

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Speaker 4: then at the end, even his closing statement was a

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Speaker 4: little halting the contrast between the two candidates.

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear, none of them and.

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Speaker 4: A lot of Republicans don't think Donald Trump had a

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Speaker 4: great night. Donald Trump broke the fact check machine more

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Speaker 4: than I can count tonight. That will be on the

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Speaker 4: record as we go forward. He refused to answer some

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Speaker 4: very specific and direct questions about his conduct about January sixth.

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Speaker 5: And what all.

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Speaker 1: So that will be dealt.

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Speaker 4: With out there. And sometimes there's a parallel universe between

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Speaker 4: the political elites and the American people. Be nice to

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Speaker 4: see what the voters say. But I can tell you

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Speaker 4: it started minutes in. It started with the first couple

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Speaker 4: oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: To what do we do about this?

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Speaker 4: And it involves very senior people in the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 4: including elected officials, saying we have a problem, and just we.

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Speaker 1: Have a problem.

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Speaker 2: They're moving actively right now to replace Joe Biden, saying

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Speaker 2: we've got time before the convention, which is exactly what

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Speaker 2: you predicted on this show nine months ago.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me say what you played just there. I

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Speaker 3: agree with half of it, and I disagree with half

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Speaker 3: of it. What I do agree with is that Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden did unbelievably badly, that the degree of dementia he

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Speaker 3: great many Democrats who are looking at this saying we

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Speaker 3: cannot nominate this man. He is not capable. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: know what's going on. In a second, we're going to

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Speaker 3: play a couple of clips that show that. But it

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Speaker 3: was I will say, as badly as I thought Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden was going to do, he did worse. It was stunning.

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Speaker 3: I've never seen a debate performance this bad. But the

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Speaker 3: part I disagree of what you just played is I

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Speaker 3: think Donald Trump had hands down his best debate performance

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Speaker 3: he has ever had in his life.

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Speaker 5: Look.

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Speaker 3: I've stood on that stage with Donald Trump about a

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Speaker 3: dozen times, and I've seen him and sometimes he said

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Speaker 3: good debates. Sometimes he's had less than good debates. Tonight

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Speaker 3: he did exactly what earlier this morning, you and I

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Speaker 3: did a special podcast preparing for this debate, and what

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Speaker 3: you and I talked about that Trump needed to do

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Speaker 3: is be calm, be measured, be under control, not interrupt

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden, let him hang himself, give him the airtime

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Speaker 3: to talk. And Trump did that spectacularly. He was restrained,

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Speaker 3: even as Biden was saying ridiculous things. He was restrained,

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Speaker 3: he was calmed, he was matter of fact. He prosecuted

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Speaker 3: the case and Biden couldn't handle it. Biden repeatedly, what

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Speaker 3: mean he was. There were moments. Look, it's clear we

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Speaker 3: They put him on different meds from the State of

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Speaker 3: the Union. He was not nearly as amped up as

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Speaker 3: he was at the State of the Union. But when

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Speaker 3: Trump poked him and he got angry, Biden couldn't respond

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Speaker 3: other than just screaming, liar, liar, liar. And he returned

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Speaker 3: to the State of the Union, old man on his

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Speaker 3: front porch, screaming, get off my front port. She had

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Speaker 3: moments like that, But that's not even the dominant takeaway.

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Speaker 3: The dominant takeaway is this is a man who doesn't

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Speaker 5: I want to play the.

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Speaker 3: Clip early in the debate where he just completely loses

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Speaker 3: his train of thought, and this is the answer at

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Speaker 3: this guy's just not there.

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Speaker 5: Give a listen.

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Speaker 6: I sculd me with dealing with everything we have to

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Speaker 6: do with. Look, if we finally beat medicare.

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Speaker 2: We finally beat medicare, I mean Donald Trump's response was quote,

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Speaker 2: I don't I really don't know what he said at

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Speaker 2: what he said either.

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Speaker 3: And Biden gets lost and and Trump counters with what

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Speaker 3: question had nothing to do with medicare, Like the word

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Speaker 3: medicare comes completely out of left field. It's the only

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Speaker 3: thing he mentioned. He's just like, we finally beat medicare.

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Speaker 3: And then Trump cames and said, well, he said at

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Speaker 3: the end, he beat medicare. He beat it to death.

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Speaker 3: Give a listen to Trump's response. Play the next clip.

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Speaker 6: All those things we need to do, childcare, eldercare, making

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Speaker 6: sure that we continue to suppend strength in our healthcare system,

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Speaker 6: making sure that we're able to make every single solitary

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Speaker 6: the h with the COVID I exculd me with dealing

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Speaker 6: with every day we have to do with Look, if

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Speaker 6: we finally beat medicare.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, President Biden.

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Speaker 7: President Trump, Well, he's right, he did beat medicare, beat

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Speaker 7: it to death. And he's destroying medicare because all of

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Speaker 7: these people are coming in, they're putting them on Medicare,

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Speaker 2: I mean you hear that he just stopped, didn't know

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Speaker 2: look on his face, Senator Joe Biden actually looked lost

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Speaker 2: and was looking around like what am I doing?

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Speaker 5: Where am I?

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Speaker 3: His brain was frozen, it short circuited throughout the time.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you Joe Biden did badly when he wasn't talking.

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Speaker 3: When he wasn't talking, the look on his face was

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Speaker 3: a look of confusion. Listen, anyone who's ever dealt with

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Speaker 3: whom I love, she had Alzheimer's. I've seen, I've seen

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Speaker 3: what happens. It was clear he didn't know what was

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Speaker 1: I just saw this.

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Speaker 2: Kennel Kennedy, Yeah, I just saw this.

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Speaker 3: Democrat 're Democrat Royalty. Let me read you what she

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Speaker 3: just tweeted moments ago.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 3: I love Joe Biden. I know he's a good man.

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Speaker 3: I know his heart is good. I know he's dedicated

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Speaker 3: was heartbreaking in many ways. This is a big political moment.

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Speaker 3: There's panic in the Democratic Party. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: a long night. The Democrats have lost Maria Shriver. That's

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Speaker 2: Well, and listen to Abby Phillips. Abby Phillips saying this

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Speaker 2: on CNN as well in the moments afterwards. This is

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Speaker 2: how she described how bad it was for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 8: And just to co sign what John is saying. I mean,

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Speaker 8: the panic that I am hearing from Democrats is not

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Speaker 8: like anything that I have heard in this campaign so far,

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Speaker 8: and a lot of it has to do with First

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Speaker 8: of all, there was a deep frustration about Trump's lies.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he lied a lot tonight.

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Speaker 8: But the problem for Biden was that Trump was able

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Speaker 8: of cases not coherent, deeply problematic. That he was not

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Speaker 5: The that's CNN.

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Speaker 3: That is CNN who's saying the Democrats are panicking and

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Speaker 3: Biden's answers where in a lot of cases not go here,

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Speaker 1: He couldn't even.

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Speaker 3: These were not subtle, These were not gotcha's, These were

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Speaker 3: obvious questions. He had nothing to say. He was scared.

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Speaker 3: He was a deer in the headlights.

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Speaker 2: So you said, deer in headlights. Let's go to the

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Speaker 2: next conversation that's being had right now. And I'm sure

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Speaker 2: it's being had at the White House, at the EOB,

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Speaker 2: at the Camp Paying headquarters. Who goes to the president

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Speaker 2: first and says step down? And then you're also dealing.

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Speaker 1: With every guy.

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Speaker 2: That's everybody very stubborn though like he can just can't

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Speaker 2: he just look at him say I'm not gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: He is absolutely stubborn. I think it is BARACKO Bob.

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Speaker 3: I think it is Nancy Pelosi. I think it is

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Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer. I think it is every leader in the

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Speaker 3: Democrat Party. It's not Kamala Harris Kamo is not allowed

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Speaker 3: in the room, but I think it is. And they

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Speaker 3: go to him and they're pitch to him. They say, Joe,

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Speaker 3: you were an historic president, you saved America from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: You wanted to be the next FDR. I think they will.

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Speaker 3: They will appeal to his vanity and say you are

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Speaker 3: the next to FDR. You are consequential right now. If

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Speaker 3: you stay in the race, you risk undoing your entire

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Speaker 3: legacy and giving that legacy going down in history as

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Speaker 3: the man who made Donald Trump president. If you stay

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Speaker 3: in this race, it will be your fault that Trump

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Speaker 3: is president. I think they'll appeal to his vanity and

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Speaker 3: and look that that is, I think to Joe bideny

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Speaker 3: really powerful pitch.

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Speaker 5: Look you look at the debate tonight. He said things.

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Speaker 3: At one point, he said, during Trump's presidency, we had

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Speaker 3: a thousand trillionaires. By the way, there are no trillionaires

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Speaker 3: on planet Earth. At another point, he said, during Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: we had fifty percent unemployment.

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Speaker 5: No, that is wildly wrong.

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Speaker 3: At another point, he said he created Joe Biden created

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Speaker 3: hundreds of millions of jobs. Mind you, there three hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty million Americans and apparently he's created hundreds of

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Speaker 3: millions of jobs, so more more jobs than there are

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Speaker 3: working Americans. Like it is, every answer was a problem.

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Speaker 3: At another point, he said, the Border Patrol endorsed me.

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Speaker 5: Let's be clear.

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Speaker 3: The Border Patrol Union immediately tweeted out to be clear,

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Speaker 3: we have never and will never endorse Biden at every stage.

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Speaker 3: And what's interesting, he was also trying to insult Trump. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and Trump didn't take debate. Yeah, and he was smart.

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Speaker 3: It was really at Actually when Trump poked Biden, Biden

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Speaker 3: freaked out. He couldn't not debate. And so the contrast,

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Speaker 3: and I'll say something else. You mentioned African American votes.

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Speaker 3: Trump's numbers are surging in the black community, and I

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Speaker 3: think tonight he made a very hard pitch for black voters,

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Speaker 3: and his most significant pitch. He had a lot of

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Speaker 3: points about how bad Trump, how bad Biden has been

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Speaker 3: for the African American community, talked about inflation, how it's

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Speaker 3: hammering black families, but then he also tied it to

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Speaker 3: illegal immigration, and he said, look, the millions and millions

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Speaker 3: of ill immigrants that are coming into this country. They're

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Speaker 3: taking jobs from black Americans. That is a powerful argument.

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Speaker 3: That is an argument. And by the way, Biden had

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Speaker 3: no response to that. It was silent. It was on

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Speaker 3: the substance. Trump prosecuted the case and Biden crashed and burned.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, the Wall Street Journal just sent out

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Speaker 3: their key takeaway, their story that they wrote tonight, and

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Speaker 3: it's now ten forty seven pm, and their headline is

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Speaker 3: Biden crashed in first debate with Trump. That's not an editorial,

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Speaker 3: that's the news headline in the Wall Street Journal because

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Speaker 3: it is just objectively. If you watch the Hindenburg explode,

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Speaker 3: you don't say Zeppelin landed tonight.

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Speaker 2: let's also talk about those that have been lying. The

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Speaker 2: you that Joe Biden can run circles around me. The

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Speaker 2: there's no cognitive decline here, saying that he's in perfect health.

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Speaker 2: This guy is is a beast. You know, he's jacked

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Speaker 2: up aviator Joe. Now they're all actually having to admit

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Speaker 2: they're wrong, but no one's gonna, i think, call them

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Speaker 2: accountable for that. They're just gonna run out there and say, clearly,

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Speaker 2: it's time for him to step aside, step aside, step aside,

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Speaker 2: which is also weird because if you're not cognitive, you

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Speaker 2: don't have the cognitibility to be president in the future, right,

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Speaker 2: and they're saying he can't be the president come January again,

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Speaker 2: then when does the twenty fifth and does that even

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Speaker 2: come up? Because you're admitting that he's basically incapacitated.

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, listen, we have seen reporters and we've seen

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Speaker 3: Democrats lying about Joe's mental capacity for a long time,

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Speaker 3: and nobody fair and objective who watched tonight could conclude

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Speaker 3: anything other than this is a man who is seriously

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Speaker 3: mentally diminished. You know it's interesting Andrew Yang, who you remember,

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Speaker 3: ran for president against Joe in twenty twenty, he tweeted

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Speaker 3: out tonight, quote, look, I debated Joe seven times in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. He's a different guy in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 3: hashtag swap Joe out that that's from one of the

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Speaker 3: alternative one of the other candidates who ran against twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: from a prominent Democrat. Two of the top trends that

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Speaker 3: were trending tonight right after the debate were dementia and

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Speaker 3: Michelle Obama.

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Speaker 5: Now that's bad news.

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Speaker 3: I's if that's what's what is trending. And all right,

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Speaker 3: I want to wrap up tonight's pod with this. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to do something I have rarely, if ever done.

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Speaker 3: I may never have done this before. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: praise CNN this morning's debate. You and I both thought

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Speaker 3: Jake Tapper and Dana Bash would do a terrible job.

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Speaker 3: They both hate Donald Trump, they both have become hard partisans.

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Speaker 3: CNN did an excellent job tonight with this debate. Jake

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Speaker 3: Tapper and Dana Bash. That was the best debate moderation

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Speaker 3: they have ever done. They ask good questions, They asked

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Speaker 3: substantive questions. They didn't make the debate about them. One

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Speaker 3: of the interesting things no one is debating about the

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Speaker 3: moderators bad debate moderators. When Chris Wallace debated moderated, the

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Speaker 3: whole debate was about him because he wanted to be

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Speaker 3: right in the center of the show. When Candy Crowley

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Speaker 3: from CNN was the moderator between Obama and Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 3: she made it all about her. Jake and Dana they

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Speaker 3: asked good questions, They moved subjects along. They would press

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Speaker 3: the candidates, but not in a jerky way. They just say,

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Speaker 3: I asked you the following question, you have another sixty

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Speaker 3: seconds to answer. When they didn't get their questions answered,

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Speaker 3: that's a perfectly reasonable thing for a debate moderator to

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Speaker 3: to do. I've been in multiple debates that each of

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Speaker 3: them have moderated. I think they both were incredibly sensitive

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Speaker 3: to everyone laying out the facts that they have shown

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Speaker 3: wild bias, and tonight tonight they didn't and they did

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Speaker 3: an excellent job, and I think that was a service

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Speaker 3: to the country.

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Speaker 2: I have to ask you one other question, because everyone's

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Speaker 2: asking it in their head right now, what is the

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Speaker 2: hold on a second?

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Speaker 4: Ben?

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Speaker 3: You didn't respond to that, and since you're a former

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Speaker 3: employee of CNN, I'm not gonna let you bet. Ben,

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Speaker 3: you have sixty two seconds. The question is do you

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Speaker 3: think Jake and Danna did a good job.

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Speaker 2: I think they did a decent job. And here's why

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get them as much cred as you did.

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Speaker 2: You ready for this, all right, but I'm gonna make

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Speaker 2: you answer it. I'm not gonna let you wiggle away.

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Speaker 1: Fair point. Here's what I'll say.

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Speaker 2: I think they were in as much shock as we were, going,

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Speaker 2: Holy crap, I'm watching an incapacitated president of the United

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Speaker 2: States of America, and they were caught so off guard

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Speaker 2: they said, just stick to the script, Just stick the script,

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Speaker 2: Just stick the script, like it was a default mode.

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Speaker 2: Because because it was such a glaring disaster with Biden

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Speaker 2: that no one, no, none of the moderators were honestly

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Speaker 2: paying attention to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but.

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Speaker 3: Jake and DNA were more measured than I've ever seen them.

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Speaker 3: They were deliberately controlled. They knew that half the country

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Speaker 3: viewed them as wild eyed partisans. Look, we played this

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Speaker 3: morning Jake analogizing Trump to Adolf Hitler. Yes, and I

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Speaker 3: still believe that to I think he believes it. But

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Speaker 3: tonight that didn't come out. And and so if we're

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Speaker 3: going to criticize him when when he's not doing a

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Speaker 3: good job, I will say.

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Speaker 5: I think they think that they did their job.

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Speaker 2: The biggest political train wreck in American history, and they

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Speaker 2: were in it and it was like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what to do?

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Speaker 1: How do you triage this? And so they got rid

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Speaker 1: of some of that.

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Speaker 2: I think if Joe Biden would have showed up jacked

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Speaker 2: up like you did at the say of the Union,

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Speaker 2: I think it would have been a completely different debate

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Speaker 2: from the moderators standpoint. But I think they saw what

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Speaker 2: everybody else saw, which was we have a present that

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Speaker 2: is incapacitated and the whole world is watching it now.

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Speaker 1: And no one can stop it.

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Speaker 2: There was no one to step in and lead him

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Speaker 2: off the stage like Barack Obama did two weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: Which brings me back to that question that everyone's asking,

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Speaker 2: how quickly will we find out if the conversations with

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden are going to work to get him to

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Speaker 2: step aside?

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Speaker 1: Number one? Okay?

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Speaker 2: And number two, how quickly do Democrats have to fall

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Speaker 2: back in line and stick with this guy if he

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Speaker 2: doesn't decide to step down. And those are the two

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Speaker 2: most important questions. Maybe the entire night.

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Speaker 3: Three weeks, twenty one days, this happens or doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: In three weeks, I think you're going to have massive

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Speaker 3: chaos following this debate. You're going to have massive panic.

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Speaker 3: People are going to go to Michelle Obama. People are

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Speaker 3: going to go to Joe Biden. I don't think given

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Speaker 3: the train wreck that happened tonight, I don't think they'll

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Speaker 3: wait until after the Democrat Convention. I think they feel

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Speaker 3: a panic right now. I think they're going to want

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Speaker 3: Michelle Obama to be the keynote speaker at the Democrat Convention,

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Speaker 3: not Joe Biden. So I think we have twenty one

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Speaker 3: days for this to play out and look over the

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Speaker 3: course of the last year, I've handicapped this. I initially

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Speaker 3: laid it out as a possibility, then shifted as the

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Speaker 3: Democrats and the media we're starting to get nervous about

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden. I shifted to about fifty percent. As we

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Speaker 3: sit here today, I put the odds at north of

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Speaker 3: eighty percent that Michelle Obama is the Democrat nominee on

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Speaker 3: the ballot in November of this year.

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Speaker 1: There it is.

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Speaker 2: This has been fun. It's shocking. It is crazy to

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Speaker 2: watch this debate in real time. Never watch anything like this.

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Speaker 2: It's also fun doing a dual show with you with

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Speaker 2: my podcasts and you're in our podcast and this being

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Speaker 2: on the radio as well. Don't forget you can download

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Speaker 2: Verdict with Ted Cruz. We do this three days a

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Speaker 2: week Monday, we was Ay Friday. You can grab my

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Speaker 2: show obviously every day. And if you're listening to this

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Speaker 2: on the radio, thank you and make sure you downloaded

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Speaker 2: the podcast that we just mentioned and the center. I

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Speaker 2: will see you back here for the Week in Reviews Saturday,

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Speaker 2: which is a recap of the past week. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be one heck of a show. And you can

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Speaker 2: also grab my show as well. We'll see you back

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Speaker 2: here soon.