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Speaker 1: dot Com, part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the second ever Giants Huddle Mock Draft. I am John Schmilk.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I went to some

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Speaker 1: of my buddies around the league that covered the ten

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Speaker 1: I got their selections for their individual teams, and then

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Speaker 1: we had Dan Duggan from the Athletic Pop on to

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Speaker 1: make the Giants picking eleventh overall. But first I want

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Speaker 1: The Giants Huttle Mock Draft is officially open. Making the

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Speaker 1: respec is Mike Droco. He covers the Jacksonville Jaguars for ESPN. Mike,

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Speaker 1: who did the Jaguars select the Jaguars has been searching

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Speaker 1: for a franchise quarterback since the days of Mark Burnell

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Speaker 1: and the mid to late nineties and early two thousands

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Speaker 1: with Byron Leftwich and Blake Bortles and Blaine Gabbard, and

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Speaker 1: none of them have worked out. But they've never had

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Speaker 1: the number one pick before. And there's no better year

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Speaker 1: to have it because with the first pick, the Jacksonal

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Speaker 1: Jaguar isn't gonna select Trevor Lawrence quarterback from Clemson, perhaps

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Speaker 1: the least surprising pick of all time. Mike, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, thank you for joining us. I was going

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Speaker 1: for the drama to start here. But was there any

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer not even take this job if Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: So um, I mean, I know that they did some

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Speaker 1: things that learned about Trevor Lawrence during your investigation of him?

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Speaker 1: And his response was negative. So um, yeah, that that

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Speaker 1: rest of it on defense. Mike, awesome stuff. My family

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Speaker 1: making the easiest draft that you'll ever have to make.

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Speaker 1: Play Like a Jet dot Com and Scott our first

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing It's scotty good stuff by friend. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks Sean, always appreciate Talk to you, brother,

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Speaker 1: He covers the San Francisco forty niners for the Athletic Matt,

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Speaker 1: him for the next two years. You know, who knows

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Speaker 1: when they're gonna be picking this high again, what do

430
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Speaker 1: you think the calculation here is with the quarterback position? Well,

431
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: they want to stabilize the franchise for the foreseeable future.

432
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Speaker 1: It's a pick with you know, ten years in mine

433
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Speaker 1: down the road, hoping not to be back up there.

434
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Speaker 1: But it's also would be a pick that ignores the

435
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Speaker 1: fact that the offensive line has been pretty poor. It's

436
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: thet Matt Ryan has been stacked over a hundred fifty

437
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: times the last four years, last three years, and they

438
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: haven't been able to run the football all So you

439
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: would be ignoring some needs on the offensive line. Running back, uh, No,

440
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: pass rushers. You just got rid of off four of

441
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Speaker 1: your safeties. Uh So while you, uh, you know, want

442
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: to look to the future, you have a team that

443
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: is the fishing and talent, and you'll be bypassing the

444
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to elevate that talent by taking a quarterback here

445
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Speaker 1: with the fourth pick. All right, before we get to

446
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: the pick, how much of a field d do you

447
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: have for this new regime, both coach and front office

448
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: in terms of how they want to build this thing

449
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Speaker 1: out and what their timeline is. Yeah, getting there, getting

450
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of work studying what they did

451
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: with their former teams, and so forfeit. Artistift's course to

452
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: the tight ends coach by trade coming up under Mike Munlarkey,

453
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be hard for him to pass on

454
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Speaker 1: pit Um. You know Terry Potto working with Mickey Loomis

455
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans and then Jeff Ireland the last couple

456
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Speaker 1: of years. Uh, that's the interesting group. They've had some hits,

457
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: they've had some wild hits and some mild mrs in

458
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: their draft. Thinking about Marcus Davenport there, Uh, so that

459
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: you know he's not afraid to gamble, whereas Ireland is

460
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: an instinct football instincts guy over measurables. Who are you know,

461
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: he's the kicker in college though, you know, not surprised man,

462
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: he would have that mentality. So we're trying to put

463
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: that all together and see, you know how this collaboration

464
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: is going to work. Here in Atlanta, wal D has

465
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: collaborated with himself and now he has decided on who

466
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Speaker 1: the Falcons are gonna select with the fourth overall pick.

467
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Speaker 1: In one Giants huddle mock draft d the floor is yours, yes,

468
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Speaker 1: and one other thing. He said he's gonna take the

469
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Speaker 1: best player available, and right here, right now, at the

470
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Speaker 1: fourth pick, the best player on the board is Florida

471
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Speaker 1: tight end, Kyle pit That'll be our pick in the

472
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Speaker 1: Giants my draft two thousand and one. So d you

473
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Speaker 1: just give me a picture here because I look from

474
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Speaker 1: the outside end and you have Matt Ryan, Julio Jones,

475
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, and Kyle Pets And look, trust me, knowing

476
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: knows better than me that wash Eli Manning be a

477
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: pincushion for six or seven straight years after the Giants

478
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: last Super Bowl. The offensive line is it's something you

479
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: have to get fixed. But just your vision of what

480
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: this offense could look like with Kyle Pitts in the mix,

481
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: it'll it'll look pretty much like Tennessee. You know, um,

482
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Speaker 1: when Arthur Smith was dead, the tighty Ends played over

483
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: two hundred snaps. You'll put two of them out there. Um,

484
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: look for him nuts before the five line and the

485
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Speaker 1: running back position later on in the draft, and you

486
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: know they'll be throwing a lot of play play action

487
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 1: passes the Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones down the field

488
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Speaker 1: off of whoever is Derek brown replacement is so yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: a lot of power, a lot of deep field passed

490
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Speaker 1: and off of play actions and a lot of runners.

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Speaker 1: So uh, you know, Kyle Pitts, so so I have

492
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Speaker 1: to get better with its blocking and so hanging hurt.

493
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Speaker 1: But Arthur Smith features the tighty ends and likes to

494
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Speaker 1: take the edges off the defense with him. So we're

495
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: gonna see more of that tennoce Titan power West Coast

496
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Speaker 1: power here with Arthur Smith and the Atlanta Falcon. And

497
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Speaker 1: then very quickly do you mention it in your last

498
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Speaker 1: answer briefly, the Falcon's pick again at thirty five, a

499
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Speaker 1: few picks before the Giants second round pick. What do

500
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Speaker 1: you think will be the priorities for Atlanta with that selection?

501
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: If they do go with Kyle Pitts at number one, well,

502
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: they'll have an opportunity there. Um, you know you have

503
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Speaker 1: to running back and don't slip. That's Nigie Harris and

504
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: UH traffics E t N don't slip the thirty five.

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00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: They'll have an opportunity to address the pass rush or

506
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Speaker 1: take the best offensive lineman on the board to uh

507
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Speaker 1: some of the past rushers. They they're slipping right now,

508
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know if they're gonna slip into

509
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Speaker 1: the third round, but you might have a good one

510
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Speaker 1: sitting there at thirty five. Or you take one those

511
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: big Lamden that could come in here. It helps stable

512
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: alive the pocket for Mett Ryan d Good stuff, my friend.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. Get back to it and enjoy

514
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: the draft. My friend. All right, Don, thank you very much,

515
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: take care, I have a great day. And now we

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Speaker 1: move to pick number five in the two thousand twenty

517
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Speaker 1: one Giants Huddle mock Draft, and we're joined by Dan

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Speaker 1: Horde has to play by play man for the Cincinnati Bengals.

519
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: And Dan, you joined us last year, you had a

520
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: pretty easy decision picking first. Overall, a little bit trickier

521
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: this year, my friend. It is we definitely knew what

522
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: the Bengals were going to do months in advance last year.

523
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: This year they had three very compelling choices. One is

524
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Speaker 1: now off the board since the Falcons took Kyle Pitts,

525
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Speaker 1: but that still leaves Cincinnati in a great position because really,

526
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Speaker 1: for months this year, most Bengals fans have been either

527
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: team Sewel or Team Chase, trying to decide between the

528
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: offensive lineman from Oregon Pine Seul or wide receiver Jamaar

529
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Speaker 1: Chase from l s U. Yeah, and Dan, I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, I think there's a really good argument for

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Speaker 1: both of these players. You know, you you you pick

532
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Sewol because you think you can get a wide receiver later.

533
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows coming off in knee injury, you want to

534
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: protect the kid. I totally get that. But then you

535
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: know how much of a drop off is there from

536
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase of that second and third round receiver. And

537
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: it is a fairly deep offensive line class too. You

538
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: signed Riley Ruth in the offseason, You have Jonah Williams.

539
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: How much do you think this team considering who they

540
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: might be able to get in round two will impact

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Speaker 1: who their pick is here or is just just simply

542
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: which player has the highest grade. That's where we're going. John,

543
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Speaker 1: That's a tremendous way of discussing this, because I do

544
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Speaker 1: think when you look at this draft, maybe more than

545
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Speaker 1: any other in recent memory for the Bengals, you have

546
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Speaker 1: to look at it as the first to pick have

547
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Speaker 1: to overall value as opposed to just the first pick.

548
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Speaker 1: Because I've gone over this time and time again. If

549
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: you go, oh, lineman first, wide receiver second is the

550
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: overall value below wide receiver first, Offensive lineman second. Now,

551
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: fortunately for the Bengals, every draft guru you talk to

552
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: will tell you that the two deepest position groups in

553
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: this particular draft are offensive live and wide receiver. So

554
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: in that sense, the Bengals have a glaring need at

555
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: both and they're going to be able to get a

556
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Speaker 1: good lineman, maybe more than one, and a good wide receiver.

557
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: The question is which order do they do it? Yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: and I think the question to Dan that I have

559
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: and I've been kind of going around in my head,

560
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you have a good answer for me.

561
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: Do the Bengals feel like they have to come away

562
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: with the guy they can plug and play at tackle

563
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: or they happy to bring in a guy that you

564
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: feel good about plugging and playing this year at guard

565
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: and then maybe he'll grow into that tackle role and

566
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Speaker 1: replace reef and right tackle down the road. Their position

567
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: is when you are choosing fifth in the draft, that player,

568
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: regardless of position, is plug and play. When you are

569
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: drafting that high, you are not grooming him for a

570
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: future role. You are expecting to plug him in right away.

571
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: I guess the possible exception of that would be if

572
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Speaker 1: you have a veteran quarterback and he's going to briefly

573
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Speaker 1: be an understudy behind the veteran. But aside from that,

574
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Speaker 1: at any other position, drafting syst that guy is going

575
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: to play right away, so specifically tackle or guard. If

576
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Speaker 1: they select Canai Sewel, the tackle from Oregon, they would

577
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Speaker 1: play him for one season at guard. I think that

578
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: would be the plan, since Riley Reef only signed for

579
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Speaker 1: one year. Riley would play right tackle, Seul would play

580
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Speaker 1: either left or right guard, and then the following year

581
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Speaker 1: he would kick out the tackle. And that is a

582
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Speaker 1: very realistic possibility. Yes, So I guess the reason I

583
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: asked the way I did because if you want to

584
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Speaker 1: wait until the second round to pick your offensive lineman,

585
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: right I think you probably feel great about whatever guy

586
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get in that second round if you want

587
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: to play guard, but maybe you're not so comfortable about

588
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: plugging and playing him at the right tackle right away.

589
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: But you're telling me that they have pretty high confidence

590
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: that they can play Riley Reef and right tackle this year,

591
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be fun with them out there. They

592
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: signed him for seven point five million dollars. That's the

593
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: most money that any tackle that changed teams is getting

594
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: this year. It is some of the guys that resigned

595
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: with their own teams are getting, you know, far more

596
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: than that. Trent william is mooth, notably he is getting

597
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: more than twenty million. But there weren't many good tackles

598
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: that change teams. And that's one of the reasons why

599
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: you would consider taking Toney Sewell. When you have a

600
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: premier tackle, you do not let him get away as

601
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: particularly with a second contracts sometimes the third they're hard

602
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: to get and teams that have them hold on to

603
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: them forever. You do not get a premier tackle in

604
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: free agency from another team. So that's one of the arguments,

605
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: pretty compelling one, quite honestly, for why the Bengal should

606
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: select ton A Sewell instead of Jamaar Chase. And how

607
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: much do you think Joe Burrow is on the phone

608
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: lobbying for Chase or does he want the protection because look,

609
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean you can back two years ago people talk

610
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: about the year Davante Smith had. Look they're Jamar Chase

611
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: that with Joe Borrow two years ago, same deal. I mean,

612
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: they were just as dominant. How much do you think

613
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: that's going to play into this decision? The connection that

614
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: those two guys add at l s U. It's a

615
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: factor and it's a big factor, but not because Joe

616
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Burrow is lobbying for Jamaar Chase. Obviously, the organization reached

617
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: out to him to pick his brain and get as

618
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: much intel about Jamar as they possibly could. What he

619
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: liked as a teammate, what's his work ethic like as

620
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: the leader, et cetera. But it's the built in chemistry

621
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: that's the real factor, particularly if once again you've got

622
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: limited off season in terms of reps between the quarterbacks

623
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: and the wide receivers. How about being able to get

624
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: a guy that your quarterback played with for two seasons

625
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: and the last time they were teammates he had eighty

626
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: four catches for nearly eighteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns,

627
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: a guy that looks like a fullback but runs a

628
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: four three eight. So the Joe Joe Burrow Jamaar Chase

629
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: bond is a huge factor, maybe the one that tips

630
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: the scales in Jamaar Chase's favor. Well, it's a really

631
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: tough decision, but it's a decision I think any team

632
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: would love to be in choosing between Pinas Sue and

633
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase. So let's get you on the clock here, Dan,

634
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: with the fifth overall pick in the Giant Suttle Mock Draft.

635
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Dan Horde, representing the Cincinnati Bengals, selects the Cincinnati Bengals

636
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: select l s U wide receiver Jamar Chase, reuniting him

637
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: with his husband Trophy winning quarterback Joe Burrow. If you

638
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: had the hat on the GM hat, I mean, is

639
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: this the big you would make to then it is not.

640
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: I am team Suel. If we're up to me, I

641
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: would pick the offensive lineman. And I can give you

642
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: a ton of reasons why. Statistically, I mean, first and

643
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: foremost Tom Brady in Tampa Bay's playoff games last year,

644
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: so not just the Super Bowl, their four playoff games

645
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: got hit a total of sixteen times. In Week three

646
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: last year, Joe Burrow got hit eighteen times by the

647
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. Uh. The site of him on the back

648
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: of that cart in the Bengals tent game against Washington

649
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: was demoralizing. I've got a Bengals fan buddy that lives

650
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: up the street named Dave who tells me and I

651
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: believe him that he turned off the TV and did

652
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: not watch another Bengal snap for the rest of the

653
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: year because he was so heartbroken for Joe Burrow Uh.

654
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: He was sacked thirty two times in nine and a

655
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: half games, tent most in the NFL. He was hit

656
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: nearly eighty times in ten games. I want to protect

657
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: the kid, and I do think it is a deep

658
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: offensive line draft. I'm certainly not going to be devastated

659
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: if they go chase and then an offensive lineman. But

660
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't want a good offensive lineman, a competent offensive lineman.

661
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: I want the best offensive lineman. It's not going to

662
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: be that good because nobody in the but he's a

663
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty one pound man who looks spelt.

664
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: I have never seen a physique like that. He's six five,

665
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: three thirty one. His mobility is incredible. I think if

666
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: if you go to YouTube, type in pinais Sewell and

667
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: start watching videos, it's offensive line coach porn. That's how

668
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: impressive pinei Sewel is to me. So if it were me,

669
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: I'm taking the offensive lineman. But I do think the

670
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: Bengals are going to go chase first offensive lineman with

671
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: a sixth pick in the second round. And by the way,

672
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: did that in nineteen years old, playing against twenty two

673
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: year olds too, which is kind of the most amazing thing. Yeah,

674
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: he does. He doesn't turn twenty one until October nine,

675
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: so you know, some people have hit him for the

676
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: fact that he's got thirty three and a quarter inch arms.

677
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: His arms might still be growing. I mean, it's possible

678
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: to continue growing at the age of twenty. I don't

679
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: know how likely that is, but it's certainly possible. So

680
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: Pa Sewell is a genetic freak. And I would like

681
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: to pair him with Jonah Williams for the next ten

682
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: years as your anchors at left and right tackle for

683
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: the Bengals and not have to worry about that position

684
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: for a long time. Then awesome stuff, my friend, Good luck,

685
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: enjoy the drama and we'll see what since now he does.

686
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: Looking forward to it, John, thanks for having me on.

687
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: And now we're getting into the meat of this folks.

688
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Some interesting picks off the board. Another interesting one to

689
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: come and to make the next pick for the Mammi

690
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: Dolphins is Armando Salgaro. He covers the Dolphins for the

691
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Mammi Herold. He's a calumnist for them. Armando, you're with

692
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: us last year the Dolphins selected to a This year,

693
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: of course, it gets a little bit more interesting. You're

694
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: trying to put guys around to uh. So, I guess

695
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: let's get right to the pick and then we could

696
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: talk about the reasoning with the sixth overall pick in

697
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: the Giants huddle mock draft, the Mammi Dolphins select. The

698
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins go back to Alabama and the same huddle

699
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: as what was directing last year, and they are picking

700
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver DeVante Smith of the Crimson Tide. Now, I

701
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: was reading your article, um this morning and getting ready

702
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: for this, and you made the point that you don't

703
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: think that one sixty six pound way in an indie

704
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: at the medical recheck is going to impact their decision

705
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: making here correct. More importantly, the Dolphins don't think that.

706
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: General manager Chris Greer spoke, as a matter of fact

707
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: yesterday about how the NFL game is different now. Wide

708
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: receivers are not beat up as they leave the line

709
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. They are not mugged downfield, and there are

710
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: rules in place to prevent them from you know, sustaining

711
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: head uh to head helmet to helmet hits. So a

712
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver who is smaller won't have the same durability

713
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: issues or isn't expected to have the same durability issues

714
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: in that maybe they may have had in or even so,

715
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: the game is made for smaller guys or is made

716
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: easier for smaller guys now to last. Anyway, how much

717
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: of a consideration do you think Jalen Waddle was is

718
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: the reason you think they'll go with Smith because of

719
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: Smith's better production Waddle's injury? Is it a better fit

720
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: with the wide receiver corps that the Dolphins have? Because

721
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: I think depending on who you talk to a lot

722
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: of different people like Wattle over Smith or Smith over Waddle,

723
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: why do you think the Dolphins will go with DeVante

724
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: over Jalen? Right, So, Jalen is more a downfield kind

725
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: of threat, uh, you know, a speedster burner, whereas DeVante

726
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: Smith is a UM, he's a quantity guy. Whereas the

727
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: other guy, Jalen Waddle is gonna catch, you know, catch

728
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: you seventy yard passes. DeVante Smith is gonna catch you

729
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: seventy passes. So um, I think that the Dolphins see

730
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: that as a plus for two of they need that. Uh.

731
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that DeVante Smith is slow now,

732
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: he is fairly fairly fast. I think he's gonna run

733
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: if he ever does. Officially, he didn't have Alabama Pro

734
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: Day in the four fours. It's just that Jail and

735
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Waddle is a four three guy, and so what is

736
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: going to happen is, Uh, you know, they're going with

737
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: a quicker guy, and they're going with the probably the

738
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: better route runner. I think the Dolphins want to run

739
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: a more precise offense as opposed to a more vertical offense.

740
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: All right, two more quick questions are I appreciate the time? One?

741
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: Do you think that this is a two partter? How

742
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: much of a consideration yours offensive line? With Penney Seul?

743
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: Do they trust Robert Hunt over at right tackle? I

744
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: know obviously they drafted Austin Jackson last year. They like him,

745
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: and I know you mentioned this. Would the Dolphins you

746
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: think consider a trade down if both Pitts and Chase

747
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: are done? So, Penna Sul is going to be an

748
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: outstanding offensive lineman and an outstanding left tackle in the NFL.

749
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: But the Dolphins invested in both left and right tackle

750
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: last year. Uh, and early they drafted, like you said,

751
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson in the first round and Robert Hunt in

752
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: the second round. At some point you need to give

753
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: to us some weapons to score touchdowns. Uh, after you've

754
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: already handled the protection part in last year's draft. Now,

755
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: are they open to trading down? Yes, of course, and

756
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 1: Chris Career has said as much. The question is when

757
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: they are on the clock, will a team, probably a

758
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: quarterback needy team like maybe the Denver Broncos, will they

759
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: present something to the Dolphins that Miami simply can't refuse.

760
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: That's that's yet to be seen. And then finally, a

761
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: Dolphins have a lot of draft picks, they pick another

762
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: time in the first round, then they pick again in

763
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: the second round before the Giants go, assuming they do

764
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: go with that offensive weapon here, Ramando, what do you

765
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: think that priorities are going to be with those other

766
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: two picks in the first round? And then at the

767
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: top of the second right, well, you know there they

768
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: need a running back. I'm not sure that they're going

769
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: to do that at number eighteen, but they absolutely will

770
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: be drafting or running back within the first two rounds.

771
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: And they've got, you know, the two first round picks

772
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: and two second round picks, so they're gonna be picking

773
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: a running back maybe and Naja Harris, uh, maybe a

774
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: Travis at the end or Javonte Williams, so one of

775
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: those guys perhaps, And I wouldn't discount them trying to

776
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: find a pass rusher at some point either, because us

777
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: they got they released Kyle van Noi this year, and

778
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: there goes six sacks, and they traded Shack Lawson and

779
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: there goes four and a half packs. So they have

780
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: to replace ten and a half sacks before the start

781
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: of the season. Is is is upon us tremendous armand

782
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: that we really appreciate it. Get back to work, enjoy

783
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: the drama of the draft this year, my friend. Alright, everybody,

784
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: we move on to pick number seven in our one

785
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: Giants huddle mock draft very quickly, just to recap, the

786
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguar selected Cheval Lawrence first overall, Zach Wilson to

787
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: the Jets, and number two Justin Field, the quarterback, to

788
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: San Francisco. At number three, the Atlanta Falcons take the

789
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: first non quarterback in the draft, Kyle Pitts, tight end

790
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: out of Florida. The Cincinnati Bengals go Jamaar Chase over

791
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: penn A Sewell thanks to Dan Horde at number five.

792
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: Then the Dolphins select to Tagalavela's former teammate DeVonta Smith

793
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: out of Alabama and numbers six, and that gets us

794
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: to pick number seven and joining us again just like

795
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: he did last year. For our mock draft is Jeff Risden.

796
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: He covers the Lions for the Lions Wire, and of

797
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: course he covers the NFL Draft for real GM as well. Jeff,

798
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. How are you. It's great to

799
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: be uh, great to almost have the draft here and

800
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: by the ways, that does draft board. So it's a

801
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: great time to be Detroit Lions fan. And I'll tell

802
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: you what I absolutely isn't last year. You did pick Jeffrey,

803
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: Okuda and Urman correctly at number three to the Lions.

804
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Not a huge surprise, but you didn't get to pick right.

805
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: Gotta give you credit for that, Jeff. So before we

806
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: make the pick, give me a feel for the new

807
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: hierarchy in Detroit, what the approaches, the timeline, how these

808
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: guys think about football. How have you been able to

809
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: put these puzzle pieces together with all their new additions

810
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: that are playing their roles, how they're gonna interact together

811
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Yeah, and it's a very new crew.

812
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Brand Holmes as the new general manager, He comes from

813
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams. He was the director of collegiate

814
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: scouting for many years there. He brought along Ray egg

815
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: Knew with him. They've also edited in John Dorsey, the

816
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: former chief Stain Brown's general manager, as the senior adviser,

817
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: and he's absolutely playing a critical role in this draft. Uh.

818
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: And then they brought it in Chris Spielman. Um, my

819
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: personal favorite football player ever and a Lion's legend. Uh.

820
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: He is the special assistant to the president of the team.

821
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: We're not really sure how much input he has on

822
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: the draft, but we're hopefully he has some because he's uh,

823
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: he's royalty in Detroit. So how they figured it out,

824
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: it's a good good guess. Um. We're looking at what

825
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: they do with the Rams, what Dorsey has done in

826
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: his past deals. Uh. And we're trying to figure out,

827
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, where's the emphasis going to be. Is it

828
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna be on the offensive line, is gonna be a

829
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver? Do they need to build their defense because

830
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: the defense was terrible last year. Yeah, there's there's a

831
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: lot of moving pieces going out in Detroit, and we're

832
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: still wondering where all those puzzle pieces are and how

833
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: they Fay going, Yeah, you haven't mentioned Dan Campbell and

834
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: how you think he wants to try to build a

835
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: football team, which obviously he's doing in conjunction with this

836
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: front office. Oh yeah, he's famous for his press conferences

837
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: and they are retreat. Let me tell you, it's a

838
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: very welcome change from the man Patricia era. Uh, they're

839
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: fund they're engaging. He wants kneecap fighters. He wants guys

840
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: who are going to go out uh and and have

841
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: no no apologies about trying to beat the other team

842
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: and submission. Uh. He's also offered an interesting a bit

843
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: on on wide receivers um. He said, get freaking open

844
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: um and and that's that's that's his entre for his

845
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: wide receivers, which is very different than always enter Detroit.

846
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a it's a culture shock, to be

847
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: honest with you. And it was they needed culture shock. Uh.

848
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: This team was was boring by design. Uh, and it

849
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: was it was off putting the fans, was off putting

850
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: the those of us who cover the team. It was

851
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: certainly off putting to the players. So we're ready to

852
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: have the positive energy and the you know, go get

853
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: an attitude that Campbell and the new staff bring all right,

854
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: So Jeff, let's let's do the pick and then we'll

855
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: react to it. With the seventh pick. In one Giants

856
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: Huddle mock draft, Jeff Risden, representing the Detroit Lions, selects

857
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: oh Man. There's so many good choices here that I like.

858
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: My top three choices are all here. I think they

859
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: will go with an A. Sewell, the offensive tackle from Oregon. Okay,

860
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: if Sewell is not there and just Rashwan Slater is there,

861
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: would you pick Slater or do you think Sewell is special?

862
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: And that's why you think they would go in that

863
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: direction if he's on the board. I do think they

864
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: would have a differentiation on Sewell. I actually like Slater

865
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: a little better myself, and I wouldn't have any qualms

866
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: about taking him there. But I think they don't see

867
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: him in that exact vein Um, He's a little bit

868
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: of a different type of football player, and see will

869
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: more fits the Dame Campbell, you know, the kneecap biting

870
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: mantra uh and his his high end potential is really

871
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: difficult to ignore. It to um, he definitely has the

872
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: highest feeling of any of any tackle in this class.

873
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Um it's not a pressing need. Um, they're they're great

874
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: at left tackle. Taylor Decker is a very good left tackle.

875
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: Right tackle, they're okay with Tyrolle Crosby. But if you've

876
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: got a chance to lock down your your bookend offensive

877
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: tackles for the next four years, which is how long

878
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Decker's under under contract, that that's that's masters for a

879
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: rebuilding team that has some uncertainty as a quarterback. Now,

880
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: if any of the playmakers that's well, I shouldn't say

881
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: not name because only three of them have gone. If

882
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: Davante Smith is there, does that change your formula? Or

883
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: if Pits or Chase somehow get there, would that change

884
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: the formula for Detroit? I think Chase does. Yes. I

885
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: think he has the kind of game that I think

886
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: would play very well with Jerry Goff in one and

887
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: Goff will be the starter. Um, but he's also just

888
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: a very high end pick. You're talking about a guy

889
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: that that's in the vein but not not identical, but

890
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: in the vein of Julio Jones are in a j Green.

891
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: I means he's not as big, but he plays that way. Um,

892
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: if you guys a chance to get that that that's

893
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: really tough to overlook. So I guess my question for

894
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: you because based on the way you describe this front

895
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: office and my work on this front office too, this

896
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a group that would take Davante Smith

897
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: or Jalen Waddle there. If there's a big offensive lineman

898
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: there that's graded highly or a defensive player that you

899
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: really like. Yeah, and and defense is tough because they

900
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: certainly have needs there. Their safety room right now is frankly,

901
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing. Uh. They just signed Dean Marlowe from the

902
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: kick from the Buffalo Bills um where he was an

903
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: okay number three safety. He's number one in the death

904
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: start in Detroit right now. It's bad. Um. They it's rough,

905
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: and they want to play a three safety look um

906
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: and they have about half of an NFL safety right now,

907
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: so that that's certainly impressing need. But there's nobody that

908
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: you take in the top twenty at safety, so that

909
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: that's sort of so it throws a monkey wrench into

910
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: bad They could use a defensive lineman, they could use

911
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: an edge, they could certainly use an off ball linebacker.

912
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: But based on the history of how the Rams drafted

913
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: and how Dorsey drafted in his various stops. That's not

914
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: that's not a priority position in their defense. Um. I

915
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of Lions dance. In fact, if

916
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: you're in a pool, I would guess if Michael Parsons

917
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: would probably be the most popular fan choice. I just

918
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: don't see this regime valuing that position enough that they

919
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: would even consider him there. Would they consider a cornerback

920
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: because to me, that's the only other spot where you

921
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: can make an argument, right Jeff, where a defensive player

922
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: could be worth the bang for your buck here. Yeah,

923
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: and Patricks certain is certainly worth the gamble there. Um.

924
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: I think he's as good, if not better, than Okuda

925
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: was last year as a prospect coming out, Okuda went

926
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: number three overall, didn't exactly go that well as a rookie,

927
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: but he's certainly still got a very high ceiling. The

928
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: air was still pointing up for him. Um. In a

929
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: more more NFL ready scheme, I guess would be the

930
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: man Apel friendly scheme. Uh, if they could lock that down,

931
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: that'd be great. Um. But and and if one of

932
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: them could play safety, or if they could move the

933
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: money or a war ya, he's a promising young outside

934
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: corner with some size. Maybe he could play in that

935
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: pre safety safety role. Um that that would certainly be

936
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: something that I would consider too. But I tend to

937
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: think that they like the depth in this draft at

938
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 1: defensive back, so I don't think they're gonna necessarily tapp

939
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: into that right away. So, Jeff, if you were making

940
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: this pick, would you also pick Sula? Would you go

941
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: in a different direction? I would very I would be

942
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: very tempted to take Jalen Waddle because his speed and

943
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: his his ability to make plays. Um, you don't get

944
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: that every day. I equated the way that will Fuller

945
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: impacted the Houston Texans. They were a really good offense,

946
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: but when they got will Fuller, and it fundamentally changed

947
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: the way the defense has had to play them. Even

948
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: though Fuller couldn't catch, they still had to honor it. Uh.

949
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: Wattle can catch uh. And he's just lethal with the

950
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. I really like that idea. He's

951
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: very appealing there. Yes, his size as they concerned. I'll

952
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: tell you what, I'm not a huge Jared Goff fan

953
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: long term, And if I get a chance to take

954
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Trey Lance here, it's really tough for me to not

955
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: take that because it's a perfect situation for Lance, who

956
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: needs reps, he needs coaching, he needs experience. They don't

957
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: have to play in this year. They have Jared Goff

958
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: in place. Golf is fine as a bridge quarterback for

959
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: the future. Uh. If you tell me in two the

960
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Lance is ready, then that's great. If if he needs

961
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: another year, you still got Golf under contract. M quite

962
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: difficult to get out of that contract too until after

963
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: that season. I think it's the perfect place or Trey

964
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: Lance to go. I don't know if the regime feels

965
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: that way or not, but I do so. You don't

966
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: get the sense that the regime is thinking potential quarterback here.

967
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: I it's hard for me to see them taking the

968
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: quarterback this year. They have two first round picks next

969
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: year and the year after that from acquiring Golf. Uh.

970
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: Without looking too far ahead into the crystal ball, and

971
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: it's something to know how they feel about the quarterbacks

972
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: in those classes. But yeah, remember Brad Holmes is the

973
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: guy who was part of the regime that really liked

974
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: Jerry Goff has the number one overall pick. They are

975
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: absolutely going to give him every chance to prove that

976
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: he can be the long term solution in Detroit and

977
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: getting him better weapons, getting in better protection, building a

978
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: better team around it. It makes a lot more sense

979
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: for this team this year than it doesn't take the

980
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: quarterback that might be his successor in the future. All Right,

981
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: two more questions, Jeff, and we appreciate the time. How

982
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: much do you think the lines are going to be

983
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: working the phones up until draft? They obviously they're not

984
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna make a trade before draft day because you don't

985
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: know who's gonna be there at seven, right, so you're

986
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: not gonna pull the trigger on that into until you

987
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: get there. But how much do you think given the

988
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: long term outlook on this rebuild is they all got

989
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: six year contracts, all these guys that they brought in

990
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: this year, right, will they be you think looking to

991
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: trade down? Because if I'm not mistaken, you guys only

992
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: have six picks in this year's draft where they're gonna

993
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: try to maybe move down acquire more picks to help

994
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: the long term vision of this franchise. And where do

995
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: you think they'd be looking to to move How far

996
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: back would they be willing to move all that stuff? Yeah,

997
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I do think they're they're absolutely

998
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna listen to get more picks. They've been this regime

999
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: in the past. Both both Homes and Dorsey have been

1000
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: very good at at scouring the middle rounds, especially for

1001
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: skill position talent. Uh there, And this is a good

1002
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: draft to need middle round wide receivers, running back, things

1003
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: like that, so they they have the ability to do that.

1004
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: As far as how far they fall back New England

1005
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: at fifteen and in this specific scenario with mac Jones

1006
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: still on the board and with tree Land still on

1007
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: the board, that that's certainly an appealing trade partner right there.

1008
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: Denver at nine certainly makes some sense. Washington even at

1009
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: nineteen that that's probably about as far as they would

1010
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: fall into. Chicago at twenties should be looking up to quarterback,

1011
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that the Ends would want to

1012
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: trade with within the division on that. Yeah, getting getting

1013
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: an extra Day two pick in this draft I think

1014
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: would be very appealing and also some for the future

1015
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: where they can they can really control the draft if

1016
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: they want with their own pick, with the Rhythms pick

1017
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: and picking up another one, that's uh that that's the

1018
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: way to sit in the cabin seat for for a

1019
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: very critical draft. Once you realize you know, you go

1020
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: through your first year, you realize who's here, who belongs

1021
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: as part of the future, and who doesn't belong to

1022
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: I have a better idea of your long term needs

1023
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 1: at that point too. Final question. The Lines pick again

1024
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: at forty one, a pick literally right before the Giants

1025
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: select at forty two, So Giant fans will be on

1026
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: pins and needles, probably praying for somebody to drop to them,

1027
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: and the Lines will be on the board. What do

1028
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: you think are those pressing needs for Detroit in round two?

1029
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: Where you think they might be they might have their

1030
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: eyes on I'm looking at the safety specifically Travon Morig

1031
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: from TCU and Richie Grant from UCS. I think it's

1032
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: very difficult to see them pass one of those two. Again,

1033
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: this is an ancient team at safety right now. They're

1034
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: also an expense you seem at wide receiver unfortunately, so

1035
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: if they don't take one early that that's certainly on

1036
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: the mix there. Ayler shot Bateman and Candarius tony Um,

1037
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: Alijah More somebody like that certainly fits the bill too.

1038
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: But if especially as they get offense in the first round,

1039
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: it's really tough to see them passing on the safety

1040
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: in the second Jeff, good stuff, my friend. And by

1041
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: the way, were you surprised in terms of how those

1042
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: first six picks went or is that kind of how

1043
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: do you think the draft is gonna go? I was

1044
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: very surprised to see Davonte Smith come off the board

1045
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: at number six. I get it. I like Davonte Smith

1046
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: even as his demeinus of size, but it's still surprising

1047
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: to see, uh, to see him come off at six.

1048
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: I have him sort of pegged at number twelve to

1049
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: the Eagles in my own head. Maybe I need to

1050
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: recalibrate that. Huh. Do you think Penna Sewell gets by Cincinnati?

1051
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: Because I think that's the other kind of pivot point

1052
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: of this draft, right, I think once you get past

1053
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: Atlanta and they don't go quarterback, I think Cincinnati's interesting

1054
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: because if it's Sewel or Chase, that really could determine

1055
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: how the next five picks go. Oh, it absolutely does.

1056
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: And I do think it's one or the other, and

1057
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: I can make a good argument for them to take

1058
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: either one. I wouldn't call up anybody for taking Chase there,

1059
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: with the chemistry that he had with Joe Burrow was phenomenal. Uh,

1060
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: they did sign Riley Reef, former Lion's first round pick.

1061
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: He's functional as you're starting right tackle, I guess is

1062
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: a nice way to say it. He's an upgrade over

1063
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: what they had. I mean, it doesn't get worse than

1064
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: Bobby Hart, trust me. I know, yes, you wouldn't know. Yeah,

1065
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: So I get that. In and this is a deep

1066
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: offensive line class. You can find starting offensive lineman on

1067
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: day two in this class who have high end potential.

1068
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Alex Spencer Brown out of Northern Iowa is a guy

1069
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: that I like, you know, San Cosmi from Texas, Dylan

1070
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: Ratings from North North Dakota. All those guys will be

1071
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: there for them at the top of the second I

1072
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: think that they can if they prioritize taking Chase there.

1073
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely can see them dipping into that pool in

1074
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: the second. And I get that. But yeah, that that

1075
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: that's a critical pick because I do think you know,

1076
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: if will fall, that opens up first off, it opens

1077
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: up the trade possibilities for Detroit and also for Miami

1078
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: again if they want to do it. But but uh,

1079
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: you have to secular ratios later there too. I mean,

1080
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: I know there are teams that value him as high,

1081
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: if not higher than Sewell. Um, and you're looking at

1082
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: the next pick on the on the clock is Carolina.

1083
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: They're certainly gonna be interested in both of those. I

1084
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: don't know if that would be the pick or not,

1085
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: but they have to be interested there. So yeah, that

1086
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: that that absolutely shakes up what happens in the next

1087
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: year picks. Well, we'll find out what happens. Jeff, good

1088
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: stuff by friend. We appreciate it, my pleasure anytime. Thanks.

1089
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: And now we go to pick number eight in the

1090
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Giant Suttle Beat Reporter mock draft and joining us is

1091
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: Elena gets Inburg. She joins us from the Charlotte Observer

1092
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: covers the Carolina Panthers and Elena, this is a position

1093
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: here where a lot of people thought the Panthers would

1094
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: be going quarterback. Then we saw a trade a few

1095
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: weeks ago for Sam Donald. Could they still be in

1096
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback market here or is that now on the

1097
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: back burner? Yeah, it wasn't out the board sell to

1098
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: me here, I have to say I wasn't very I

1099
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: wasn't happy, and I would consider they traded a normal circumstance. Um,

1100
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: But I think with how the board has gone at

1101
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: with the number eight pick um the Carolina Panthers to

1102
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: take Bashawn's later tackle out of Northwestern Interesting, so you

1103
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: go tackle, I'm not surprised. Would you consider offensive tackle

1104
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: right now the biggest need on the Panthers roster? I

1105
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: think so. I mean I I went back and forth

1106
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: on this thum. The other position I debated was cornerback um,

1107
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: and I think if it was an option to trade back,

1108
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: I would have maybe pursued that. But if they're speaking

1109
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: at eight, based on how this board is gone, I

1110
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: think you know, they could use a wide receiver, they

1111
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: could use a corner, But if one of the two

1112
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: tackles is there, I think you know, that's hard to

1113
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: pass up on. Even if later ends up being a guard.

1114
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: This offensive line just needs so much that I think

1115
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: he's hard to let go. How far back, Elena, would

1116
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: you be willing to go where you would still feel

1117
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: confident enough that you could get the quality? Do you

1118
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: of player you would want having a top ten pick? Yeah,

1119
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it would flie too far back. And

1120
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: I think that you know that is a good point

1121
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: that you know they're only going to have those top

1122
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: grades on so many guys, and I think you take

1123
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: advantage of having a top ten pick in the years

1124
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: that you have them because you hope it's not often.

1125
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: So I think, um, for the Panthers, maybe no way

1126
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: to than fifteen sixteen. It kind of depends how those

1127
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: corners go. But I wouldn't you get too close to

1128
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: twenty and I think that's a little too far back

1129
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion. So you would say generally you're looking

1130
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: at offensive line cornerback that would kind of be your

1131
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: top tier, and then after that you would think about

1132
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: wide receivers and then maybe another defensive guy. Yeah, I

1133
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: mean I think it definitely. Cornerbatter is often to tackle

1134
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: wide receivers would be interesting, but I definitely think that's

1135
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: on the table. And then in terms of quarterback, I

1136
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: think the only guy it's just in feel spell. I

1137
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: think that would be intriguing. Um, I mean, you never

1138
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: know the time. There's a lot of talk, but I

1139
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: think the other quarter of act. I don't think the

1140
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: Panthers would take at eight US like Trevor Brense, but

1141
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it would have to be a

1142
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: specific quarterback, especially after the Sam Donald Trude. Interesting when

1143
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: I think about Matt rule. We saw them use all

1144
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: their draft picks last year with not mistaken lane on defense. Correct,

1145
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: do you think? So? Do you think now this year,

1146
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: where you only have Sam Donald under your control for

1147
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: one year, maybe two if they pick up that fifth

1148
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: year option, is this a year now where they really

1149
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: are going to try to put pieces around him so

1150
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: they can figure out what they have so they can

1151
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: make a more educated decision on that position once you

1152
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: get through this year. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean you look

1153
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: at this team and like you said, they went all

1154
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: defense of years, they had not made it a secret

1155
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: that they would like to get younger on offense. Um

1156
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: in this year's draft, So I think they're going to

1157
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: go you know, if you go out of defense, you've

1158
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: gotta go a little offense. Let me the next year.

1159
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: Um So. And what the point about Donald? There's a

1160
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: lot of people said with the jests, you know, he

1161
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't have an offensive line and he didn't have weapons

1162
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: in all this. Well, I think the Panthers don't really

1163
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: have an offensive line. Is not in a great but

1164
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 1: um So, I think they have to address offensive line

1165
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: in this year's draft in order to really see what

1166
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: they have in Camp durn under otherwise you're just putting

1167
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: him in another bad situation. Um. So in order to

1168
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: evaluate him, which I think they're gonna want to do quickly, UM,

1169
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: they have to help him out. And offensive line has

1170
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: to be addressed, as you know, I think I think

1171
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: they will address it even possibly, you know, with a

1172
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: couple picks. Um. I think it's a very high needed

1173
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: for them. So now let's just talk very quickly before

1174
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: you say goodbye about that second round pick, because the

1175
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: Panthers will pick in front of the Giants by three spots,

1176
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: the thirty ninth overall pick and round number two, irrespective

1177
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: of what they do in round one. Where do you

1178
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: think that value meets need for the Panthers. It is

1179
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: a pretty deep receiver and offensive line drafts, and one

1180
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: of those guys gets will be there. Where else do

1181
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: you think the Panthers can going around two? Yeah, there's

1182
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: a couple of corners that I think are at the

1183
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: top of you know, assuming here they didn't they didn't

1184
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: go corner in round when there's a couple of guys

1185
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: that I like at the top um of the second

1186
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: rounds who I think could be there and that would

1187
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: be really appealing. The other kinds of sneaky position. They

1188
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: could go high secon round. There's a couple of tight

1189
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: ends where this tight end class seems weird where there's

1190
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: like a couple of guys people are hunging on after

1191
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: this of course, and then there's a bit of a

1192
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: drop off, so I would be spending here. Tight end

1193
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: is definitely on the table in the second round. Um,

1194
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: and wide receiver as well, but like you said, it's

1195
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: a deep class, so you no need to jump on

1196
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: that if there's other guys available. Finally, when you think

1197
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a Teddy Bridgewater move, will it be

1198
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: before the draft? After the draft? Um? I mean, I

1199
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: think it's kind of depend on other teams. Um. But

1200
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: I think the Handles have been exploring trade for a

1201
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: while here about options. You know, right now tell your

1202
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: Bridge rutters. People are looking into that. It's going to

1203
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: other teams. I mean, teams feel like they can get

1204
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the draft, We'll do that. So I

1205
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: think right now teams are evaluating their options, and it's

1206
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: not on the Panthers end. It's more when other teams

1207
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: books side, you know, let's bring them in and all that.

1208
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: So the Panthers are definitely looking in how you's looking into,

1209
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: but it's kind of on other teams at this point. Elena,

1210
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: really good stuff. We really appreciate the time. Thanks so much. Yeah,

1211
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: thank you. All right, let's move on to pick number nine.

1212
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: The first eight players all on the offensive side of

1213
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: the ball. The three quarterbacks, then the playmakers Kyle Pitts,

1214
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Davante Smith, and then back to back offensive

1215
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: lineman with Penney Sewell and Rashawn Slater. That brings us

1216
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: to number nine of pick that I think is another

1217
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: pivot point in this draft with the Denver Broncos and

1218
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: making that pick for us. From nine News is Mike

1219
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: Kliss and Mike what are the Broncos thoughts here coming

1220
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: up at number nine? Are you guys just walked out

1221
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: of their press conference from the front office talking about

1222
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: the draft. What do you think that priority is for

1223
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: the Broncos here heading into draft? I think Mac Jones

1224
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: is the quarterback outside of the top two that they

1225
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: that they like the best. You guys know Pat Shermer,

1226
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: and Shermer's the offensive coordinator here. I think Shermer, uh,

1227
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, you'd have to change your offense. I think

1228
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: for Justin Fields and and Shermer's more of a pro

1229
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: style play action guy mac Jones would fit that. I

1230
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: doubt mac Jones is available at number nine, first of all,

1231
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: but that's the way she's lining up here, and uh,

1232
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't I think the Broncos would take mac Jones

1233
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: because he's the most pro ready of of the three

1234
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: the three other quarterbacks Justin Fields Tree Lance mac Jones,

1235
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: after Zach Wilson and after Trevor Lawrence of course. So

1236
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: I guess my question for you, then, Mike, Let's say

1237
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: the forty nine do pick Justin Fields. Let's say they

1238
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: select mac Jones and you're sitting there and you're looking

1239
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: at either or Justin Fields, is it still a quarterback?

1240
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: Or then did the Broncos look elsewhere? Yeah? I think

1241
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: in that case the Broncos would look and I know

1242
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: your two tackles, sir, are off the board, tool and

1243
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: Slater uh is certained certain still available? Right? That would

1244
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: be uh? I think that might be a pick. Micah Parsons.

1245
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: Everyone wants the Broncos to take Micah Parsons because they

1246
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: need an inside linebacker for Vic Fangio's defensive scheme who

1247
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: can go sideline to sideline and cover a tight end. Uh.

1248
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: The a f C. West is loaded with really good

1249
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: tight ends. Waller from the Raiders outstanding and Kelsey of

1250
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: course with the Chiefs, and those two guys have just

1251
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: beat up the Broncos in the in the last couple

1252
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: of years. So uh, there's some questions whether Parsons can

1253
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: cover well. Oh so, UM, I think certain is the

1254
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: is the best available player on your board. That's why

1255
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: I would take if mac Jones was not available, and um,

1256
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, and and the fact that the two tackles

1257
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: are also gone on your board, that's interesting. So you

1258
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: really think in their mind, if if it's Matt Jones

1259
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: and he's gone, they would go position player over one

1260
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: of those two other quarterbacks. That's what I think. Um,

1261
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: I don't, yeah, that's I don't. There's a chance they

1262
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: take Justin Fields and and maybe if he's there at

1263
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: number nine. Uh, you know, I'm sure there's gonna be

1264
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: some wheeling in dealing. Someone's gonna really love Justin Fields

1265
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: for the type off for the type offense they have.

1266
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think Fields, you know, he would have

1267
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: been a good fit with Carolina with Matt rule Brady

1268
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: you know with the uh, you know, the college style offense,

1269
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: the pro style offense. Though, UM, I I think Justin

1270
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: Fields maybe wouldn't be as good a fit as Mac

1271
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: Jones pro style offense. Mac Jones fits um the college

1272
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: style offense justin Fields and and Trey Trey Lance fits

1273
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: Lance is from everything I've gathered, guys, as Uh has

1274
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: probably the highest ceiling of of maybe all but Trevor Lawrence.

1275
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: But he also needs to red shirt. He's the raw

1276
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: of the of the top five and needs to red

1277
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: shirt this year. And frankly, uh, Vic Fangioe can't afford

1278
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: a red shirt quarterback here. Uh. He needs to win

1279
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: this year, and so I think mac Jones would help

1280
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: in line. If not, then I think they go. Guys.

1281
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: I think the goal position player either tackle or or

1282
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: certain or trade back and try to pick up some

1283
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: picks uh, and then acquire maybe a Teddy Bridgewater or

1284
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: Nick Foles via the trade market. See what happens after

1285
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: the draft. Berner Minshew might be available after the draft, uh,

1286
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: one of those type of quarterbacks who are proven in

1287
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: the league. UM, they might bring in to compete with

1288
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: Drey lock with Drew Lock um for the starting job

1289
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: Game one. Two other quickies for you. George Payton talked

1290
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: today a lot about the value of training down in

1291
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: acquiring extra picks. Is that a realistic scenario here? Do

1292
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: you think they want to make this top ten selection

1293
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: at nine? Yeah? I think, uh, I do think if

1294
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: the if the quarterback they like and I'm I'm saying

1295
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: that mac Jones makes the most sense. I'm you know,

1296
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: George Peyton may disagree with me, but um, yeah, I

1297
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: think training back makes sense because it's a five and

1298
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: eleven team and they only have one second round pick

1299
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: and only one third round pick, and uh, if you

1300
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: can pick up you know, still pick in the first

1301
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:07,879
Speaker 1: round and add a second round pick. Um, yeah, I think, uh,

1302
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense for the Broncos because you know,

1303
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: this roster is um at needs steps in a lot

1304
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: of places. Uh, still on the defensive side, still on

1305
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: the offensive side. Besides quarterback, um, they have some other needs.

1306
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: Final question, they pick again Denver and pick forty two

1307
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: picks before the Giants in round two. I know you

1308
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: mentioned corner, but mostly because of the players. What are

1309
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: the other big positions of need you think, Mike that

1310
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: the Broncos could try to address with that second round pick. Yeah,

1311
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. There's a lot of good inside linebackers there,

1312
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: and in the second round there's a lot of good

1313
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: strong safeties. In the second round. They signed Justin Say

1314
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: Simmons to a long term deal. He's a free safety.

1315
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: Kareem Jackson they brought back at a at a pay

1316
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: cut for one year. And then they really don't have

1317
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: a backup at safety. Uh, you know, I think they'll

1318
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: they'll look safety, inside linebacker. The Kentucky guy UM, their

1319
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: Ohio State UM has has an inside linebacker. I think

1320
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: he might go there. Or offensive tackle Jawan James has

1321
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: been really iffy since Sobroncos signed him two years ago,

1322
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: and an offensive tackle might be the starter position that

1323
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: they go for. Interesting, Mike, great stuff. We really appreciate

1324
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: the time, enjoy the week heading up to the draft. Alright,

1325
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: so we're at the final pick of the top ten. Here,

1326
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: nine players off the board. It should surprise approximately nobody

1327
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: that not one defensive player yet off the board. The

1328
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 1: most recent pick Matt Jones the Denver Broncos. But I

1329
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: think that might change with our nests next guest, and

1330
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: he is Mickey Spagnola. Of course, longtime reporter covers the

1331
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys for Dallas cowboy Boys dot Com does a

1332
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff down there in the Dallas Fort

1333
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 1: Worth area. Mickey, good to talk to you, my friend.

1334
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: How are you. I'm doing fine, And I would imagine

1335
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: that you know, as you said, that the no defensive

1336
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: player has gone off the board, and that would please

1337
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I think very much. I don't know if

1338
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: they're counting on that, but I think the odds are

1339
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: that the way your draft has gone so far, uh,

1340
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: is probably what they're thinking at this point. Well, let

1341
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Mickey, before you make your pick.

1342
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: Is there an offensive player other than Kyle Pitts that

1343
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: could be there at number ten? Because I'm just gonna

1344
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: throw that into the trash bin because Giant fans keep

1345
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: asking his pit's gonna be there and I keep telling you, no,

1346
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 1: he's not. And I think that's probably the case for

1347
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: the Cowboys too. Is there an offensive player, maybe an

1348
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, that could be available attend that might make

1349
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: Dallas not select a defensive player? You know, I think

1350
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: it give him pause. Uh, But again, as you said,

1351
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's any way Pitts is gonna

1352
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 1: be there. And I know Jerry got everybody excited when

1353
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: he said he was intrigued by the guy. Well, of

1354
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: course he's as by the guy, right, thirty two teams

1355
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: are intrigued by him. And uh this past week, Uh,

1356
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: Steven Jones remarked about how everybody in the league knows

1357
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 1: how good this is and he goes and Jerry was

1358
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: just commenting on it, not like, Okay, we're gonna take

1359
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: this guy. And the only other thing that they would

1360
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: do there obviously would be an offensive lineman. But to me,

1361
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, even though they've had injuries on the offensive

1362
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: line at tackle last year, Lele Collins had his hip

1363
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: surgery and his rehabs going just fine. Same for Tyrn

1364
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: Smith after the next surgery. Uh. And you know, if

1365
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: these if if their physical evaluations of these guys are

1366
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: they're good to go, then if they draft an offensive tackle,

1367
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: the guy's gonna have to move to play guard. And

1368
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: what an embarrassment of riches would you have if you

1369
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: have to have all first round guys on your offensive line. Uh. So,

1370
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: to me, there's a need for an offensive tackle like

1371
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: a backup swing guy. But you do that the second

1372
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: day or the third day. I don't think you need

1373
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: to do it in the first round, so to me.

1374
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: Uh And someone said, yeah, but Tyrant Smith gets hurt, right, Well,

1375
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 1: yeah he does. I'll take thirteen games of Tyrant Smith

1376
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,839
Speaker 1: before anybody else I put out there at left tackle.

1377
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: Uh So I think, uh, they would probably pass on

1378
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 1: the offense, or at least I think they should pass

1379
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: on that offensive tackle. All right, mix, Well, let's let's

1380
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: get the pick on the board and then talk about it.

1381
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: With the tenth pick in the Giants utle Mock Draft,

1382
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, represented by Mickey Spagnola select. Boy. This

1383
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: is a one for me because I know everybody is

1384
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: saying the Cowboys are gonna take Patrick's Attain, the cornerback

1385
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: from Alabama, and they do need help at cornerback. But boy,

1386
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: deep in my heart, to me, they should take the

1387
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: best defensive player that's on the board. And I think

1388
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,440
Speaker 1: the best defensive player on the board is Michael Parsons,

1389
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: the linebacker. I don't know what you guys think of him,

1390
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: but I think I think he could be Just looking

1391
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: at his size, his speed, his instincts, his nature. To me,

1392
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: he could be the next Lawrence Taylor, and that might

1393
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: be staying too much, but I think he's that good. Now,

1394
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,799
Speaker 1: as a reminder, Mickey, you are predicting what the Cowboys

1395
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: would do. This is not what the Cowboys are gonna do,

1396
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: not what I am gonna do. And from the stuff

1397
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: we hear, uh, it's probably gonna be Patrick certain, But

1398
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,959
Speaker 1: if it took Michael Parsons, I wouldn't be surprised, and frankly,

1399
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: I would applaud the pick because the cornerback's not going

1400
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: to help them stop the run. And last year they

1401
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: gave up the second most rushing yards in franchise history,

1402
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: and teams averaged five yards to carry. In my good math,

1403
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: that means that's a half of first down every time

1404
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: somebody ran the ball on average, and a cornerback certainly

1405
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: not going to help the run defense. I think they

1406
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: should take Michael Parsons, but I'll say I'll be very

1407
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: conservative here and say they're gonna take certain but I

1408
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't be surprised if they took the best defensive

1409
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: player on the board. All Right, Mickey, A couple of

1410
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: follow ups here. Do you think it's definitely going to

1411
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: be certain if they go cornerback, because I know there's

1412
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: a lot of connections to South Carolina with the coaching staff.

1413
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: Do you think J. C. Horne is a legitimate possibility

1414
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: The last I heard, Uh, sounds like it may be

1415
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: a coin flip between the two guys, so it would

1416
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 1: not surprise me. And then here's the other thing that

1417
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: John that kind of enters in the conversation. If they

1418
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: feel that highly about both guys, and you figure that uh,

1419
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: that Parsons is there and even Coramoa. Uh, if somebody

1420
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: comes up with, uh, you know, we will offer them

1421
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: the King's ransom, the trade back a couple of spots,

1422
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 1: and they would have a choice of one of those

1423
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: three guys. I think they'd have to seriously look at

1424
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: that possibility. But it has to be a lot because

1425
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: if someone's trading up to get a quarterback at number ten,

1426
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: then I'm saying, uh, you gotta give me a couple

1427
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: first and a second. You know, we can switch spots,

1428
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: but I want to first for next year, and I

1429
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: probably want a second or a third for this year.

1430
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see if it works out

1431
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: the way you guys have it. Uh, And all three

1432
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: of those guys that are available. UH, and that will

1433
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: mean the Cowboys will have to do some very good

1434
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: reconnaissance work to figure out what the teams behind them

1435
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: actually want to do. If they take Parsons, what does

1436
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: that mean for Jalen Smith and Lton Vanderesh, which I

1437
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: think is interesting. I think that means that Jalen Smith's

1438
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out where where he's gonna play.

1439
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: I think vander Esh is your middle linebacker. I think

1440
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: Parsons the weak side linebacker, and Jalen Smith is a

1441
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: strong side linebacker, which they refused the use last year.

1442
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if it was because

1443
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 1: they didn't trust anybody, but they just, you know, played

1444
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: nickel defense almost every down, no matter how the offense

1445
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: lined up. Offense lined up with two tight ends, the

1446
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys played their nickel defense. UH. And the worst part

1447
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: of that nickel was they would play a single safety

1448
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: high and they would take poor Xavier Woods and put

1449
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: them down in the box. UH. And you've got like

1450
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: a two hundred five pounds safety trying to take on

1451
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: tight ends uh in the run game. UH. And I

1452
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: think they were so stubborn. It's one of the reasons

1453
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: why teams ran over them the way they ran over them,

1454
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: given up in one game three hundred yards? Are you

1455
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: kidding me? Rushing? Uh? So there's a reason why Mike

1456
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: Nolan's not here anymore. Uh. And, as I've pointed out

1457
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 1: John previously, uh, Dan Quinn has to be the cowboys

1458
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 1: best offseason acquisition if they're gonna change six and ten

1459
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: from last year. All right, Mickey, final question, And this

1460
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: is the same debate we've had up here. So I'm

1461
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: curious to see in Cowboys Land what this debate is.

1462
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: Everyone can always use a pass rusher. We've heard Jerry

1463
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: Jones talk about his war Daddy's before at defensive end, right,

1464
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: But is ten or frankly eleven where the Giants pick next?

1465
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: Is that a little too rich here or is that

1466
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: a tree down scenario? What's the conversation like about this

1467
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: edge class down there in Big D Yeah, I think

1468
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: the edge class is probably a trade down. I don't

1469
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: see here. Here's my thought on it, John, If I'm

1470
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: taking a defensive end at ten, he better be the

1471
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: next DeMarcus Ware And I don't see that guy. Uh. Now,

1472
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: if if you're just you know, just hard pressed for

1473
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: a defensive end, maybe someone takes a shot at that,

1474
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,759
Speaker 1: but I think there's better players available at ten, eleven, twelve,

1475
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: uh than possibly a defensive end. And I think the

1476
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: thing that everybody forgets about the Cowboys is Randy Gregory

1477
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: only played half a season last year, and those last

1478
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: five six games he played, he was awfully effective. And

1479
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,879
Speaker 1: so to me, he's there. He's there defensive end. Uh.

1480
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, I know they signed Tarrell basham in in

1481
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: the off season, but he's just a con to me,

1482
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: a rotation guy. And Randy Gregory not only did a

1483
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: good job uh rushing the quarter back, but he also

1484
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: played the run and set the edge pretty darn well

1485
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: for a guy that hadn't played in quite some time.

1486
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: So to me, uh, they've got their defensive end that

1487
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: it's probably better than the guys that are in this

1488
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: draft right now. Uh. To me, you can get that

1489
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: in the second third round. Same thing to me, if

1490
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 1: you ended up taking the linebacker, there's gonna be cornerbacks

1491
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: in the second round. They got Treyvon Diggs in the

1492
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: second round uh last year, a pretty nice pick. Uh,

1493
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: and then third fourth round, uh, an offensive tackle. I

1494
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: could see them doing that. Mickey, you just made our

1495
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: fellow Pieson pulled the Tino very unhappy. He's been targeting

1496
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 1: Patrick Certan for about a month. Now. You just broke

1497
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: his heart. But I enjoy that, So it's okay. We

1498
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: appreciate the time, my friend will talk to you. I

1499
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: just had this feeling that the Giants want Parsons of

1500
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: the linebackers, so uh, but I think they'll go certain

1501
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: but I would like them to go Michael Parsons. There

1502
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: is there is a vocal faction of Giant fans that

1503
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: that do want to return to that linebacker tradition. So

1504
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: we'll see where they go. Mickey, I appreciate the time,

1505
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: my friend talk soon. All right, we are here. We've

1506
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: gotten to the Giants that pick number eleven, picks one

1507
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: through ten on the board. Just to remind fans of

1508
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: exactly who has gone where. The Jaguar selected Trevor Lawrence

1509
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: a number one the Jets and number two slugs Zack

1510
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: Wilson forty nine ers like Justin Fields, Falcons go Kyle

1511
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: Pitts Bengals, Jamaar Chase Dolphins selected to his teammate DeVonta Smith.

1512
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: Lions take Penney Sewell back to back offensive lineman at eight,

1513
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: with the Panthers taking ray Shon Slater, Broncos going Matt Jones,

1514
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: the fourth quarterback trail lands still on the board, and

1515
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: then the Dallas Cowboys selecting Patrick's or Tan and you

1516
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: just are Mickey Spagnola. Michael Parsons a consideration there so

1517
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: was J. C. Horne. But he goes with the safe

1518
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: pick and Patrick's Artan out of Alabama and joining us

1519
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: to make the Giants pick a number eleven. He covers

1520
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: the team for the Athletic He is Dan Duggan, Dan,

1521
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: It's good to have you on man. And what do

1522
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: you think about these first ten picks? Yeah, I mean

1523
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: I think that's not the worst case scenario, but any

1524
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: stretch for the Giants, I mean I know that maybe

1525
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, fans might have had their heart set on

1526
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: uh Jamar Chaser, Kyle Pitts. I think we know they're

1527
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: not falling that far. But you know, Smith probably the

1528
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: one guy that I think a lot of Giants fans

1529
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 1: would be a disappointed seeko. Um, but you know we're

1530
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna see four quarterbacks at leash, so that's that's a

1531
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: good thing. Um. You having Trede Lance there maybe opened

1532
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: the door to uh, the Dave Getleman's mythical trade back

1533
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: at least that door open um. But you know, there's

1534
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: certainly still some some talent on the board here. I

1535
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: think you know, that's how it's gonna be at eleven.

1536
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: At the eleven pick, with four or five quarterbacks going

1537
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: on the top ten, they're gonna get a premium player.

1538
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: And there's still definitely some on the board here. Should

1539
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: the Giant fans have a come to Jesus moment early

1540
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: that one of those top two offensive lineman will probably

1541
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: not be there at eleven, Yeah, I mean I think so.

1542
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: There's no chance from everything you kind of hear of

1543
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: getting out of the top ten. I think Slat there's

1544
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 1: a guy that early in the process you might have said, oh, like,

1545
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: give you a nice fit, you can put them attack.

1546
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: I'll put him at hard And you know, I think

1547
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: this offensive line is still not a finished product. But

1548
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: as we get coach of the draft, it definitely sounds

1549
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: like this this mock is on the money that he

1550
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: isn't gonna sneak out of the top end of either. Yeah.

1551
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: I agree, I'm with you. I think that's becoming more

1552
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: and more unlikely. All Right, So let's sit here and

1553
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: before you make your pick, how anxious are you Dan

1554
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,879
Speaker 1: dug In GM, before we turn you into Dave Gentleman

1555
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: GM picking up the phone to try to move back

1556
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: in this spot. Yeah, I mean I'm a proponent of

1557
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: that approach. I mean, I don't think you have to

1558
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: do every single time you're in the clock. I think

1559
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: there are definitely times where hey, value, you need everything

1560
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: matches up, you love a guy, you take them like.

1561
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly Dave Geentleman subscribed to that theory. You know,

1562
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: It's has been well documented. But I think at this

1563
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: point here, I certainly you have the phone on and

1564
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: probably making a few calls, and I think there are

1565
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: a group of players that are you know, are pretty intriguing.

1566
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: And if you can get someone who's really desperate to

1567
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: come up and get trade lands and I think, you

1568
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 1: know Joe Judges, his former team that's at fifteen there

1569
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: could make a lot of sense. I think people sort

1570
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 1: of feel like they're kind of lurking on the quarterback

1571
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: mark kids. So if I could do that trade and

1572
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: then move back a few spots, and you're still gonna

1573
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: get maybe the player I'm targeting. Anyways, I think that

1574
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Um, you listen with I'm

1575
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: kind of I need to see it to believe the

1576
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: type of guy. And so the fact that the Gentleman

1577
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: has done a draft and never traded back, Um, you know,

1578
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting that, but you do hear that it's

1579
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: more of a possibility this year than maybe in the past. So, um, yeah,

1580
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: I certainly can't rule it out. How far back would

1581
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: you be willing to go for an Arizona might be

1582
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: looking to be aggressive for a non quarterback, and in

1583
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: this case, Jalen Waddle is on the board. Who knows

1584
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: would you be willing to drop as far back as nineteen?

1585
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: I know, Washington in your division, maybe you don't want

1586
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 1: to do that, or twenty to the Bears if one

1587
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 1: of those two teams are looking for a quarterback. Yeah,

1588
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you know, Washington would happen

1589
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: you I just said just for the division fact, but

1590
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: I think Chicago that's probably the floor. I don't think

1591
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: I want to go further than twenty, And I certainly

1592
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 1: don't think Dave Gentleman, you know, first trade back is

1593
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna be some dramatic you know, like eighteen picks flies,

1594
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: thank you're talking, you're talking nine picks there, and then

1595
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: I think you're just, you know, like everything in this

1596
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: whole draft process both value. You know, Edge Rusher at

1597
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 1: eleven might not be great value. Edge Rusher twenty, you know,

1598
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: I think you can definitely justify that. And again, you're

1599
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: probably picking up you know, a second round pick this year,

1600
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: maybe the first next year, or a second next year.

1601
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: You're picking up a premium asset or two in that

1602
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: type of deal to go back that far. So I think,

1603
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, you have to weigh that. Again, I don't

1604
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: think they would go further than that. Uh yeah, I

1605
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: think fifteen is really probably the sweet spot for them

1606
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: because you're not going back that far. You're probably gonna

1607
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: pick up either a couple of mid round picks, maybe

1608
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: a second round pick. So I think that's probably the

1609
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 1: best case scenario or the most likely package that they

1610
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: would they would come together with. But I can't rule

1611
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: out twenty. I think it's probably as far as I

1612
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: would go back. And I agree, and I think to

1613
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: Levin would probably be a two in a future one.

1614
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. What do you think the

1615
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 1: price would be for New England you mentioned that as

1616
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: a sweet spot. Is that's just a straight up their

1617
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: second round picky. You're trying to get more than that. Yeah,

1618
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done some research on this because obviously

1619
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 1: you kind of used the the past as sort of

1620
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 1: a predictive measure. And a few years ago Zona moved

1621
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: up in a very similar situation. I think they had

1622
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: the fiftie pick and they moved up to ten um

1623
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: with Oakland and I think they gave up like a

1624
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: three and a four UM two. Then they got Josh

1625
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: Roadin was you know, similar situation where they're kind of

1626
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: in the last quarterback of that crop um And I

1627
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: think there's another trade back with Blaine Gabber was you

1628
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: know there's aleven where a team moved up from like

1629
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: sixteen to ten and they gave up their second round pick.

1630
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: So it's sort of you know, you can kind of

1631
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: like pick one of those two. I mean, obviously if

1632
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: you're the Giants, I didn't get pushed for the second um,

1633
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: but if you know, if you can only get a

1634
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: third and fourth again, if you're only going back fourth

1635
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 1: spots and you still feel like you can get who,

1636
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: you're probably retiring eleven. I don't know that you have

1637
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: to drive that high road bargain. So, um, I think

1638
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: those are sort of the two options. Just you know,

1639
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: agatting looking at history. Things can be totally different this year,

1640
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: and if a couple of teams are calling them, you know,

1641
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 1: maybe you get more of a premium. But I think

1642
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: you're definitely looking at um, you know, either a second

1643
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: round pick or a Day two pick in the third

1644
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: round and then another Day three pick, which um, you know,

1645
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: because certainly help the team that he still needs to

1646
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: fill some holes and you know, build some better depth

1647
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: before we make the pick. Who are the players in

1648
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: consideration here? If you can't make that trade down for

1649
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: the selection, yes, I think what's what's available certainly will waddle. Um,

1650
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's a scene with you know,

1651
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: Frank thirty one scoring can turn the toes up at

1652
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: any sort of playmakers, even though you know what they've

1653
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: done in free agency. I think Michael Parsons is certainly

1654
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: an intriguing guy and and strictly based on talent, you know,

1655
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: probably how you got to pass on. I think J. C. Horne,

1656
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: the cornerback, I don't think, um, you know, again go

1657
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: back to free agency. I don't think just because you've

1658
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: spent on a guy that means you're you know, you're

1659
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: done there, especially the premium position like that. And I

1660
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: think on all the edge rushers, I mean you kind

1661
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: of pick your flavor of who's the your favorite guy.

1662
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Loarry from Georgia, Quitty Pay, Jalen

1663
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Phillips probably the top three guys, and sort of what

1664
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: I gather from, you know, from sources and just where

1665
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: you read the two leaves, um, So I think that

1666
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: was That's why I have half dozen guys right there.

1667
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: I think good guys um probably all pretty much in

1668
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 1: play at eleven. All right, Dan, let's make your pick

1669
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,879
Speaker 1: in the only twenty one Giant huddle beat reporter mock draft.

1670
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: Dan Duggan representing Dave Gentleman in the New York Giants selects.

1671
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with J. C. Horne, And I think

1672
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: that's probably a bit of a curveball. I was throughout

1673
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: this process, I've really been thinking of being edge rusher,

1674
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: just because that seemed like it was the biggest hole

1675
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: they had left to fill at the free agency. But

1676
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like any of these edge guys

1677
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: I just mentioned are worthy eleven pick now may if

1678
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: they trade back the fifteen or twenty, it becomes more

1679
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: of a consideration. Um. And and I know people are

1680
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know what about Waddle, but um, I

1681
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 1: just think that horn it would be a big piece

1682
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: of this defense. Um. You know again, I know people

1683
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: canna say, hey, if James Bradberry you have a Dorry Jackson, Well,

1684
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: James bradber only has two more years left on the deal.

1685
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: Dorry jacksonally signed US three year deal. I mean, you

1686
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: are not taking a player of eleven strictly for one season.

1687
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 1: You have to have a long term view. So if

1688
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: you think he's an elite quarterback, which I believe he

1689
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: could become one, you're talking about a guy who's under

1690
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: contract for five years and and it could be a

1691
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: big piece going forward. I don't that the position you

1692
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: can have too much talent. I think we've seen that

1693
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: they're willing to be flexible and get a ton of

1694
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: defensive backs on the field. I think Patrick Graham wants

1695
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: to play a lot of Manda Man defense. So you

1696
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: might say, well who played inside, who plays outside? I

1697
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: think it's matchup face, you know, Dorry Jackson will cover

1698
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: the quicker, you know receiver, James Baber will cover the

1699
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: bigger receiver, and Jakey Oregon gets you know, whoever's left basically, um, So,

1700
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: you know, I think that might be a little bit

1701
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: of a curveball. The people who are clamoring for a

1702
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: wide receiver or or thinking edge rusher is the biggest need,

1703
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: or just are blown away by Michael Parsons. But I

1704
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: really the more I've kind of you know, driven down

1705
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: in this process, it just feels like if their tam

1706
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: was available, I think he would probably the guy, and

1707
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do expect him to

1708
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 1: go to Dallas. I think Horn is sort of the

1709
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,480
Speaker 1: next best option. Now, if Dan Duggan was making the selection,

1710
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 1: would this be the same pick or would you go Wattle? Uh,

1711
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: That's that's a great question, because I if it was me,

1712
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: I would love to have seen play to get there

1713
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: because I'm not as sold on the offensive line. I

1714
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: agree with you, by the way, I'm with you, Dana.

1715
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hoping Slater gets there too. Yeah, because I

1716
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: think that you know, they have faith in a lot

1717
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: of these young guys, and I understand you want to

1718
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: see him play, but I would love to get like

1719
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: a premium off in the lineman to really put him

1720
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 1: over the top. But hey, listen, he's not even available.

1721
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: So that's kind of mood. And I don't think that

1722
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: next you know, tier of offic the linemen are are

1723
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: really going to be there eleven. I think you know,

1724
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,799
Speaker 1: they're probably maybe target one at forty two if anything.

1725
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: Um So, the more I think about Horn, I'm kind

1726
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 1: of selling myself on it. You know, I think an

1727
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: edge rusher would make a lot of sense, but just

1728
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: the fact that at eleven, I just don't think the

1729
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: values there's I think the edge rusher has become way

1730
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: more into play. If they are able to trade back,

1731
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: I think that might be the best case scenario. Maybe

1732
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: trade back to fifteen and then get an edge rusher,

1733
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: and I think that might be the best case scenario.

1734
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: But again, if we're talking about sitting there eleven, uh,

1735
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: if they take J. C. Horn, I certainly can't criticize

1736
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: because I do think, you know, cornerbacks are super valuable

1737
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: and and I don't think you have enough of them,

1738
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: because look, they went through a year last year where

1739
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: they had one quality cornerback, So I don't think having

1740
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: three quality cornerbacks becomes the problem. I think Patrick Graham

1741
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: is is smart enough and create enough to figure out

1742
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: a way to get all those guys in the see old.

1743
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: Then again, you're talking down the road where you know

1744
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: James Febrary is awesome this year, but who knows we're

1745
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: going to or three years and you know, maybe you

1746
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: move on and ja your horn becomes you number one corner.

1747
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: I think it's just a good idea to just get

1748
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 1: premium talent when you have the love and pick. And

1749
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy who you know is a

1750
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: premium talent, plays the premium position. Um. So again, I

1751
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,640
Speaker 1: couldn't criticize that. If that's the pick, all right, I

1752
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: want to go through a couple of those other options.

1753
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, how do you think he would fit next

1754
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: to Martinez? How the Giants want to operate? We know

1755
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: in Nickel and dimes situations last year, Dan, they like

1756
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: to play all those safeties and basically Pepper's played linebacker, right,

1757
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: so then do one of those safeties get taken off

1758
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: the field. How do you feel about the fit and

1759
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: value for Parsons at number eleven? Yeah, he's such a

1760
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: wild card in this whole process. You know, I think

1761
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: if you're just looking at like the raw talent, uh,

1762
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: he's probably a top five type talent. Agreed, but there's

1763
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: certainly enough kind of murky questions. A lot of the

1764
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: stuff with him seems like it's a maturity based not

1765
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, no criminal path or anything like that. Um.

1766
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: I do think if you're the Giants and you had

1767
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, the DeAndre Baker fiasco a couple years ago,

1768
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: that might give you a little bit of pause. But um,

1769
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: you know that's gonna be an eye to beholder, and

1770
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 1: we certainly don't have the same information these teams have

1771
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: after doing you know, months and months or research and interviews,

1772
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: uh and all that. So if they make the pick,

1773
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: clearly they would be comfortable with all that stuff. But

1774
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:17,879
Speaker 1: on the field, thee I think he'd be a tremendous

1775
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: fit because you have Blake Martinez to be that guy

1776
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: to run the defense and be super reliable and kind

1777
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 1: of free parsons up because you know, listen, we saw

1778
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 1: flashes from pay Crowder Uh, you know played pretty well

1779
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: in that spot next to Martinez. I think you know,

1780
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 1: no one would argue that Michael Parsons is uh significantly

1781
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: more talented, just you know, physically gifted. Um So, yeah,

1782
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: I think he's sliding well. He's got the versatility where

1783
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think you can ump most of the

1784
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: edge in certain situations because again, Petrick Graham, it's like,

1785
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's the mad scientist. He's never gonna line

1786
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: up in the three four, first down, second out, thirdw

1787
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: was gonna be a different package every snap in every

1788
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 1: game and every quarter. Um So, I think he's a

1789
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: guy who you would definitely find a role for. I

1790
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: think he is intriguing. I certainly can't rule him out

1791
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: at eleven. Um. But just as the off field stuff

1792
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: is still a little bit of question mark in and

1793
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that that is um their biggest need,

1794
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, because I think they you know, they have

1795
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Martinez in there, they're able to get by with some

1796
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 1: of the other guys. As you mentioned, Peppers is basically

1797
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 1: a linebacker and a lot of packages. Um So, I

1798
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be the pick, but certainly, um

1799
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: he isn't treating option and I wouldn't be shocked if

1800
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: if he does. You know, if he does get the call,

1801
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: do you think Dave would hesitate just because of what

1802
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,640
Speaker 1: you've seen his drafting in the past, of taking a

1803
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver there after investing so much in goality, or

1804
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: do you think it's a calculation, Well, this is such

1805
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: a deep drafted wide receiver, we can just go grab

1806
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: a guy later that can fit into that foreman rotation

1807
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: at the position. Yeah, I know, I definitely think that

1808
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 1: the depth of the draft has the factor in because, yeah,

1809
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: you are you passed on wide receiver eleven. It's not like,

1810
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: oh man, where we're gonna find a good one. You know,

1811
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some really good options at forty two

1812
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 1: and even at seventy six. I mean, that's supposedly a

1813
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: really deep class. Um. You know, I think you have

1814
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: three guys you feel very strongly, Um, you our top

1815
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: line guys. You know, obviously I'm not saying Slayton and

1816
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: Shepherd and Pro Bowls, but you know they're quality NFL players,

1817
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: and you're expecting Calliday to be a number one receiver.

1818
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: And then you know, even guys like John Ross, I

1819
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: think there's some intrigue there that you know, you're expecting

1820
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: him to be the you know whatever, he was number nine.

1821
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: Pick a couple of years ago. You're expecting to be

1822
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 1: the number four receiver who can come in and you know,

1823
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: every other game, maybe a third yard catch. You know

1824
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: that that's all they're looking for out of him now.

1825
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: You know, as I said Waddle, Uh, they can't turn

1826
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: the notes of a playmakers. If if he's there, I

1827
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: think he definitely wants some serious consideration. Anybody who's getting

1828
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: Hyreek Kill comparison, I think, uh definitely we would generate

1829
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: some interest. I just I just don't know if that's

1830
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: the direction they go, because, uh, you know what they

1831
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 1: have now. Um, you know, I don't know if he's

1832
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: the best fit. Maybe if Smith was there, maybe he

1833
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 1: would be more inclined to take him. I don't know.

1834
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's fun. It's a fun exc that

1835
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here. I can make a case for fun

1836
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: different guys and that's why, Um, it's a good spot

1837
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: to be in. It's not like, oh man, we have

1838
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: to you know, reach and be desperate. I mean that

1839
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 1: you really can't knock all these guys have kind of

1840
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 1: rattled through here. They would all be good picks. Sou

1841
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going with Horn, but you know, very

1842
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,560
Speaker 1: easily could you could sway me to Parson at the

1843
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: Wattle because it's doctors, Um, you know, big question marks

1844
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: there in terms of their talent and what they could

1845
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: do to help. Yeah, and the edge spot is tough.

1846
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Would like you. I've talked to a bunch of different

1847
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: people around the league, and you talk to one guy

1848
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: and you can hear one of four guys as as

1849
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 1: their top edge rusher. You mentioned the three outthrow Jason

1850
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: Away in there. Some people really like him, and I

1851
01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: think it's just a really tough position as it is.

1852
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: You know, the bust right on edge rushers is pretty

1853
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 1: high in draft. Is just the way the position is.

1854
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: And this year every one of these guys dan is

1855
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 1: something where you're like, oh boy, I'm a little bit

1856
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 1: worried about that. Yeah, yeah, But may I come back

1857
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 1: to on the edge though, is that they did go

1858
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 1: after Leonard Floyd Hird early in free agency. Gentleman Boston

1859
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: accent came out there was hot. But so like they

1860
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: know that they need the position, because I think there

1861
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,839
Speaker 1: was a feeling of like, hey, you know the Pages

1862
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: don't really invest big in ed rushers, Well then they

1863
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 1: don't sign match you don you know, So like It's

1864
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: not as if like anything is setting stone with how

1865
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 1: these teams you know, operate and build their teams and

1866
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 1: build their defenses. So if if the right guy comes along,

1867
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 1: whether you know, Jude on New England or or Floyd here,

1868
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: they would have been willing to pay. So I don't

1869
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: think they're just content with that they have, But I

1870
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: just don't know that they want to force it at eleven.

1871
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 1: I think I think it comes way more into play

1872
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: if they trade back to fifteen, especially twenty, because then

1873
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: if you get to twenty, I think the guys that

1874
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 1: Waddle and Parsons will definitely be gone and Horne will

1875
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 1: definitely be gone. But then you really kind of um

1876
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 1: narrowing it down to edge guys, I think at that point. Um,

1877
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: but maybe a guy slides to forty two. You know,

1878
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,560
Speaker 1: you don't know, Um, you know, crazy things happened in

1879
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: the draft. Probably won't do some of those names you

1880
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: just mentioned, but but it's possible and maybe they feel like,

1881
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: all right, you know, we get the premium corner in

1882
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 1: the first round, we still get a you know, a

1883
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: solid edge guy to just kind of improve that that

1884
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: rotation there, because I mean, I think that that position

1885
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: is definitely a question mark. Um, but you know they

1886
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:51,719
Speaker 1: did manage last year with Nico Wallos and Jabal Sheared

1887
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: and Carter Coughin. It wasn't exactly like they had you know,

1888
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: LT screaming off the edge last year and then they

1889
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: had a good defense. But maybe they feel like they

1890
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,760
Speaker 1: can patch it together, just try to prove it, you know,

1891
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: with the second round pick, and it just kind of

1892
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: maybe next year is when they take the big swing.

1893
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: Final question, Dan, Now, with j. C. Horne in your

1894
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: rear pocket, moving into rounds two and three, what are

1895
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: your priorities here based on need, the quality of players

1896
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 1: that are going to be there, and the depth of

1897
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 1: this class in general. Yeah, so, I mean I think

1898
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: that there's probably the three positions it would still be

1899
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: kind of my sights are interior, offensive line, wide receiver,

1900
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,879
Speaker 1: and edge rusher. Uh, you know, which round you target

1901
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: one kind of depends obviously on how the board fall

1902
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 1: that I think that forty two feels like a sweet

1903
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 1: spot to maybe get an interior off the line and

1904
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: the guy who could sort of be the next Little

1905
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: Hernandez who they took me obviously early in the second

1906
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: round and came right in and started. You know, they

1907
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 1: get somebody there, maybe he comes in and either you know,

1908
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: push your Fernandez or takes his job or provide depth. Um,

1909
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: and that would make a lot of sense. But as

1910
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, as we just touched on edge, I think

1911
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 1: that could be a kind of sweet spot there where

1912
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: maybe you're not getting the top one or two guys

1913
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: in this class, but maybe the third or fourth or

1914
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: fifth guy is available and as a guy who can

1915
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 1: lead step in and help you there. And then wide receiver.

1916
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: You know, maybe that is why you wait till the

1917
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: third round or even day three, because again we just

1918
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 1: keep hearing how deep this classes that position. They're pretty

1919
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: set at their top line receivers, but certainly could use

1920
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: depth and could use uh, you know, a young guy

1921
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: because you know, Shephard is not getting any younger. And um,

1922
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 1: you guys are always looking at the future. Like my

1923
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: that was my whole watching behind the j C. Horn

1924
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: pick is you know, what you have now doesn't necessarily

1925
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: mean where you're gonna have a by the time these

1926
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 1: guys are, you know, wrapping up the rookie deal. So um,

1927
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: but I think maybe wide receivers out of those this

1928
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: as I mentioned the one that can probably afford to

1929
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 1: wait on um. But yeah, I mean it's very fast.

1930
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: And you see, because we can sit here and and

1931
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: guests and predict, and then all of a sudden, you know,

1932
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: one trade or one crazy pick, and the whole board

1933
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 1: gets turned upside down. So to try and pick eleven

1934
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: hard now, So two and seventy six, I'll leave that

1935
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, fair point, Dan. Appreciate the time, my friend,

1936
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: good stuff, enjoy the draft. Will talk to you soon.

1937
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 1: But all right, sounds good, thanks John. That's the one

1938
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: Giants hutle mock draft are second ever. The Giants select

1939
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: j C. Horn, cornerback out of South Carolina, son of

1940
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 1: former NFL wide receiver Joe Horn. Again, just to recap,

1941
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: Jaguar select Trevor Lawrence, quarterback at A Clemson. To kick

1942
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 1: us off, the Jets select quarterback Zach Wilson. Had a

1943
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 1: b y you second overall, and then it picked number three,

1944
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: our first little left turn of our draft. That Barons

1945
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 1: of the Athletics selects quarterback Justin Fields out of Ohio

1946
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: State to the forty niners. The Atlanta Falcons, the number four,

1947
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,760
Speaker 1: courtesy of de Orlando led Better, selects Kyle Pitts, the

1948
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: tight end of Florida and number five Bengals played by

1949
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 1: a play man. Dan Hordes likes Jamaar Chase, wide receiver

1950
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: from l s u Armando Salgara are a good friend

1951
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: from Miami and the Miami Herald. He slugs Davante Smith,

1952
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of Alabama to play with his

1953
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: former teammate, to a Tago ve loa. Now we're gonna

1954
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: go to Jeff Riz that covers the Lions. Penny Sewell

1955
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: offensive tackle out of Oregon to protect Jared Goff. Then

1956
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 1: we go down to Carolina. Lena gets in Burg from

1957
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: the Shard Observer. She selects left tackle Ray Shawn Slater

1958
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: says justin Fields could have been a possibility if he

1959
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 1: felt he did not. We go out to Denver mile High.

1960
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: Mike Cliffs from nine News has covered the Broncos a

1961
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 1: long time. He selects Mac Jones. He says, that's the

1962
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: quarterback the Broncos are targeting to fall here at number

1963
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,840
Speaker 1: nine and number ten the Dallas Cowboys courtesy for our

1964
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,440
Speaker 1: good buddy, Mickey Spagnola from Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Quarterback

1965
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: out of Alabama, Patrick Sir Tan the second and that

1966
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: leaves the New York Football Giants at number eleven. Dan

1967
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: dougging a chance to take Jalen Waddle, chance to take

1968
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons passes, he goes j C. Horn, cornerback out

1969
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: of South Carolina again, son of Joe Horn. Dan going

1970
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 1: with the cornerback for the New York Football Giants. That's

1971
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:46,759
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1972
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:49,600
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1973
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1974
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1975
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1977
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1978
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1979
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